The search for the saddest punt in the world | Chart Party
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- Опубліковано 18 лют 2019
- To punt is to give up, and in the 21st century, NFL teams have given up nearly 50,000 times. Most of those punts were reasonable decisions. But a few were so cowardly, and in such defiance of all reason, that they must not be forgotten. In this episode of Chart Party, it’s our mission to find them.
CORRECTIONS:
3:43 - I misread this line. The rule was changed prior to the 2016 season.
6:08 - Fig. 2 lists 46,290 punts as opposed to the 46,377 punts claimed by the original chart -- a discrepancy of 87. The higher number was found through the Pro-Football-Reference.com Play Index, which is highly accurate but not completely perfect -- for example, it classified a few plays as punts that were actually passes. I manually removed as many as I could find, especially the outliers, but there are still a few hiding in there. The lower number was found by the listed NFL season totals. Since I also found the touchdowns, field goals, et al. in this manner, I decided to leave the punts total intact so as to keep the ratio consistent.
8:39 - Specifically at the opponent’s 25-yard line, you’ll notice that there’s a significant decline in the green “go for it” total. This data was found through Pro-Football-Reference’s Game Play Finder. Since this tool only returns 500 plays at a time, I had to pull the 46,000-plus punts through a series of smaller searches. This gave me just 39 “go for it”s at the opponent’s 25; however, if I ran the search in a different sequence, it gave me a more expected total of 111. For reasons I can’t explain, this discrepancy only shows up exactly at the opponent’s 25. Rather than patching in this total, I decided to leave the chart as is so as to preserve its consistency, but the actual total is likely closer to 111 than 39. The Game Play Finder is like an F1 car: it’s very powerful, but it has to be handled very carefully.
9:45 - This was Hekker’s gross punting average. I probably should have used his net punting average instead, which is closer to 40 than 45.8.
10:50 - A bit of a miscalculation on my part. In the 21st century overtimes have occurred once every 539 games, not once every 483 games.
12:00 - We believe there’s an error in the play-by-play report. This play likely occurred near the beginning of the fourth quarter, not the end of the third.
31:01 - The third Dolphins drive is slightly misplaced; it’s a few yards off from where it should be.
36:07 - These two field goal attempts are shown in the wrong order. The Steelers’ attempt should be on the left side of the screen, and the Falcons’ on the right.
36:19 - This chart title should read, “with five or fewer seconds left in the half or game.” Plays at the end of the second quarter were included in this sample. Additionally, hail marys as defined here are even more rare than I claimed: four plays found their way into the sample that were actually turnovers that resulted in touchdowns in the other direction. Hail mary touchdowns are actually 12-for-780 in this sample, not 16-for-780.
39:08 - I misspoke. These two punts came on fourth and 11, not fourth and 13.
40:31 - I can't believe I did this. The Bills are not Buffalo's only major pro sports team. I forgot about the NHL's own Buffalo Sabres. Sincere apologies.
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John Bois could make a Chart Party about why my face is objectively the worst face ever conceived and I’d still like the video
Well, he wouldn't be wrong either
@@chaosawaits who hurt you?
also, ITS JON BOI. s
@@aidankeo hahaha it's not my fault he set himself up for a slam
@El Comedy Rogue Projection is a harsh mistress.
"I'm misusing Algebra to throw a fit". Print that on a t-shirt, man.
Kohdok I will absolutely buy it if that becomes a shirt
Only if you get the quote right.
Misusing
23:00
can we put the chart on a shirt
I like how with most of these it's "Why did they not try the field goal?" or "Why did they not go for it?" - but with the number 1 spot it's literally "Why didn't they do *anything* else?"
It's the Vikings. They are perpetually inexplicable.
@@DoctorNovakainechildress deserves a lot of blame, a coach so bad he couldn’t take a favre playing better then ever anywhere
@@Butterratbee They were actually 7th just a year or two ago.
But that's part of 'perpetually inexplicable'. They are a team that has historically been among the better teams of the league but bafflingly incapable of finishing the deal. They have a couple of the most successful teams never to make it to a Super Bowl. 9th in all-time win percentage but haven't been to a Super Bowl in over 50 years (the only team who's even been to one with a longer drought is the Jets, and they're 27th in all-time win percentage). And while one-score games appear to be their preferred flavor recently, they've had more than their share of weird game results even before that. I've been watching them for over a quarter century at this point, I feel fairly confident that 'perpetually inexplicable' isn't just because of the last few years.
Though, I'm not going to argue against Childress being an awful coach. (One of the worst ever? People who know more bad coaches than I do might disagree, but I'm not knowledgable enough for that.)
@@DoctorNovakaineMy dad always said that Childress played not to lose instead of playing to win. Dude was allergic to downside
@@DoctorNovakaine didn't this channel make a Dorktown about exactly this?
“Well, obviously they lost. And then they came out of absolutely nowhere to win their next ten games.”
What a quote
"And then they got to the super bowl and then won the super bowl"
I wasn’t following football yet (I’m still technically not lmao, but the knowledge I’ve gained from watching Jon’s videos have made it more fun for me when my mom watches the games) but I remember what a wild and wacky year that was to be a Ravens fan (or around Ravens fans). The slow-starting season quickly became thrilling because the defense was just that OP, people were shouting “DEEEEEEE-FENSE!” at every game (I even saw a guy holding up two paper cutouts of the letter D and a picket fence, I appreciated the pun), my mom got a Ray Lewis jersey, and I distinctly remember hanging out in my mom’s friend’s basement during the Super Bowl. I played Tetris on my Gameboy Color, ate food, and wrote stories in my notebook as everyone around me yelled with joy. At the time I thought it was too loud and smoky down there, but thanks to rosy retrospection, it’s now a fond memory 😄
@@TheAdriftevery football game has the D-Fence signs bro
@@ohritz3939 the 2000 Ravens are statistically the most dominant defense of all time.
@@ohritz3939okay, “bro,” first of all I was 9 years old when that happened, and second, [points to the first sentence of what I wrote, where I said “I don’t follow football”]. Don’t bro me if you can’t even read lmao
Only Jon Bois could make me wish a 54-minute-long documentary about statistics surrounding punting were longer.
I would watch all 12 hours of this if it were that long.
Greg Homan get a life?
JOHN WAYNE calm down your named after a white suprematist actor and post emo songs so you should get a life. Intelligent people actually enjoy stats and facts about their favourite sports.
@@johnwayne6654 if you have the video why did you watch it? Yeah answer that.
I don't *have* the video but I did watch it...Like you said, I have no life...I enjoyed it because I had nothing else to do and Jon Bois really does a fantastic job of creating intriguing content @@saintsfan270
That was the most brilliant 54 minute setup for a joke I've ever seen.
My conception story
I can't believe how hard I'm laughing right now at it. Holy hell was the setup perfect, A full 3 arc plot.
I read this comment at the start of the video and was like "what is this dude talking about" and now I'm literally in disbelief at how this ended.
@@JonathanPoto I didn't even see the comment section until after.
He punts but he wins. He wins way more than he punts, but he still punts. -Jon "Chappelle" Bois
“Sorry Dolphins, you won. I know it’s not what you wanted.” -Every Miami victory in the 2010’s
Excluding 2016
"Here are the 10 saddest punts in history."
Ha, a fine lesson on how a losing mentality leads to losing resul-
"The perpetrators went a combined 6-3-1 and even one of the losers went on win the Super Bowl that season."
...I don't understand this game at all.
In a game where the ball is shaped like an egg with points on both ends, and the players are clad head to toe in literal battle armor, slamming into each other, like bulldozers on full throttle every time, yeah. Absolutely, anything can happen, and none of it makes sense. But boy do we love it.
I wonder if the musicians that recorded these jazz tunes ever thought their music would be played over a 54 minute long video about punting.
No. The answer to this question is no.
Why should they?
just because there's saxophone in it doesn't make it jazz, you know
I would imagine so
Nobody Like This Comment Again as of 4-28-19 Please Keep 666 Likes
This Man is like the Bill Belichick of youtube. He doesn't eat, sleep, or drink. All is does is think and comes up with the greatest sports statistics known to mankind.
Except he only records his own material!
@@warlordnipple Savage.
now i need a jon bois offseason simulator
Bellichick is a bit pudgy
@@warlordnipple As a Pats fan, that's still funny. Nice jab.
During week 1 of 2022, the Houston Texans punted with 1:01 left in overtime, at 4th and 3, on their opponent's 49, while they were tied with the opponent. According to my calculations, this results in a surrender index score of 358.06, which ranks 5th all-time in the surrender index.
I thought it'd be on there myself! At least they got the tie anyway...
This video is three years old. 2022 didn't exist yet.
@@arkiteuthis3747 it’s to rank them
@@jesusquicksaves pretty sure he was talking to CrazyLuigi
@@thebanished6725 i guess I’m stupid haha
September 19th, 2021, we bore witness to the single most cowardly punt in the 21st century. Texans have the ball against the Browns, early in the 2nd quarter, with the scored tied 7-7. It's 3rd and 15 on the HOU 38, and the Texans gain 13 yards. However, Browns are caught offsides, so a decision must be made. Do you accept the penalty, making it 3rd and 10, and get another shot at a first down? Or do you decline the penalty, make it 4th and 2 at midfield, and go for it on 4th?
Texans end up declining the penalty and punt, resulting in a touchback. It was essentially a punt on 3rd down, something that actually broke the surrender index. It was a decision so gutless and cowardly that math can't describe it's scope.
Here's another good question football wise. What is the last team to lose all but one of their games on the final two minutes or the final play?
The 2021 Minnesota Vikings are probably going to make the playoffs. They have a 7-7 record. Of their seven losses, six of them have occurred by blowing 4th quarter leads in the last 2 minutes, or on overtime losses. That has got to be some kind of record. For a team to have all but one of its losses for an entire season be on the final play.
@@paysonfox88 and somehow at least one of their wins has occurred in the same manner but opposite. those poor, poor lions..
@@paysonfox88 it's a record for the 17 game era at the very least.
What's the correct SI score?
@@austinfletchermusic
Field position: 2.59 (50)
Distance to 1st: 0.8 (4th and 2)
Score: 2.0 (tied)
Clock: 1.0 (1st half)
SI score: 4.15
“Your final project can be about anything you want”
Basically what my middle school projects looked like 😂
It's gonna be about skoragami every time if possible
Only Jon Bois could make a 54 minutes and 23 second long video about punting and have me drop everything I'm doing to watch it.
Right? My initial reaction was Punts?!?! Bois is back and it's a punt video??? Aww well, I bet it's the best video about punting ever, so let's see it.
Hell yeah, good to know you are a Jon Bois fan. makes me love your channel more
Same
@@ThisChangeIsAwful I'm pretty sure you have to be a Jon Bois fan to make videos on UA-cam. It's the law. (Okay not really but it should be).
Facts
40:33: “This is the city of Buffalo’s only pro sports team”
Correct him all you want, but after seeing a few games of the 2021 Buffalo Sabres, I can confirm that they are *not* a legitimate pro sports team
The sabers is my club. Apologies
@@ibrahimhassan6566 Apology accepted.
@@feature.of.jarjar24 apologize!!
@@feature.of.jarjar24 lol
@@ibrahimhassan6566 incredible freudian slip
In the Surrender Index calculation, I found the greatest value for a punt with these characteristics:
4th and Goal at the opponent 1-yard-line, 1 second left in overtime, down by three points.
That returns a score of 1,625,631 points.
I don’t really think punting would be possible there
@@evankenny8623 in that case, it would be better for the offense if the defense blocked the punt.
My (new) NFL coach bucket list:
1. Have a game where the opponent scores 1 point (scorigami)
2. Punt at that moment
@@evankenny8623 Practically, no. Legally, yes.
@@u121386 might catch ‘em off guard like when Nebraska beat Texas with a quick kick in ‘07
My high school football coach on 4th and 1 or less: "If y'all can't gain one yard, y'all don't deserve to win."
He wasn't wrong
DEF Coach: If you can't make ten yards in three downs. What make you think you can do it in four downs.
@@Dularr Because the 3rd down play often results in a very gainable 4th and 1 or 2. That logic doesn’t check out.
@@patrick-xu1go Sure it does. Depends on what type of game you are playing. Plus you have to look at the numbers. If you punt from mid-field you have a high percentage of pining the other team within their 20 yard line. Assuming you have a good defense, you have a higher percentage of stopping them from scoring if they are pinned back vs. getting the ball at mid-field. Forcing them to put will give you a fresh set of downs. With the possibility of improved field position.
Of course I understand the always go for it on fourth down approach. You are playing a shoot out, with the goal that your team will score more points than the other team. Where I am the defense mindset. My goal is to stop you at your 4 and 2 at mid-field. Giving it to my offense at mid-field. If I don't stop the fourth down, oh well, I will stop you again.
@@Dularr That’s completely different from you saying that you’re not likely to convert 4th down just because you didn’t get the first down in 3 plays
Omg... Did we really just get a new Chart Party... That's almost an hour long?
its like hes makin up 4 a whol years worth :-)
Yes but honestly, I'd rather have more frequent chart parties than a long one. Could've gotten 3 chart parties out of this instead of the long drought. Nice experiment but give me consistency.
Its what dreams are made of
crazy looking back at this era when Jon making long videos was new
Hard to belive a superbowl team went 57 drives without a touchdown... a testament to the 2000 Ravens Defense
Such a shame the NFL has essentially legislated away the ability for a team to win with defense
dude fr because the most fun football games are where literally nobody ever scores :skull:
@@staidenofanarchyDefensive players are getting so good that defense is coming back despite rule changes at least
40:31
Me in 2019: "Man, I can't believe Jon forgot about the Buffalo Sabres; how could he do something like that?"
Me in 2021: "Oh, that's how"
"Ugh, 54 minutes long? Screw that, way too long for me."
*54 minutes later*
"That was terrific"
I watched this in three parts, works for me. Try giving it a try
@@fernando47180 Did you click the "read more" button on my comment? I watched it all in one go, much to my own amazement!
1000% accurate
- This is stupid...[54 minutes later]. That's the best kind of waste of time.
yeah honestly I clicked on the video thinking it was 5 mintues 440 seconds long
"this is the city of Buffalo's only pro sports team"
Tell me how you really feel about the Sabres, Jon
Soon as i heard that i went straight to the comments thanks for addressing the obvious so i didnt have to lol smfh he must not think the NHL is a pro sport.
He put in the description that he messed up.
That one hurt, most definitely. But we know what their favorite two sports are, just like the majority of America. *sigh*
i typed that immediately when i heard that
And the Bills don’t even play in Buffalo.
I know for a fact that one day, Jon decided that "I think we are going to punt on this one..." would make a great punchline to joke, and then made a 1 hour video to build up to it
35:09 - it's probably much worse than a coin flip, Heinz Field was notoriously hard to make long field goals in due to open airflow from the ends of the stadium and terrible natural-grass surface. The longest field goal ever made there was 52 yards until 2016, his was from 51 in 2002 and would have broken the record at the time.
Chicago Bears? More like the Chicago Clowns… 🤡
1. Jon made a few errors in the making of this video, which he has kindly listed in the description, so go check that before you yell at us in the comments. Or don't and just yell at us anyways. It's UA-cam. We get how it works.
2. Oh hey, it's Jon Bois
3. If you don't watch this whole video right away and in one sitting, Jon will never make another video again, he told me so
I think we can all agree if you don't watch these kind of videos in one sitting there is something wrong with you.
Jon doesn't make errors, the rest if the universe is wrong
SB Nation you made a mistake in the description. Overtime’s dont happens every 500 something games, ties do.
@@hshdhhx902 jon wrote the description so HA TAKE THAT
SB Nation When will we get another Pretty Good?
I'm a high school and college football line judge. We are absolutely "taught" (told) to put the ball on a "big" line, a 5 or 10 yard marking if we can. It makes it easier for everyone to see where the line to gain is
Huh?!
within what kinda limits? what're the margins??
Makes sense. It’s entertainment after all.
@@lostalone9320 Yes. If given the choice to mark it on the 44 yard line or the 45 yard line, put it on the 45 if you can. Makes the chains easier to spot, keeps the game going, makes the first down line to be on the other 45 yard line and easy to see, etc.
@@connordemorest6750 I gotta say, I've long found it pretty absurd that in the multi-billion dollar, ultra-high stakes NFL in the year 2022 (and even Div I College football), they still use line judges to spot the ball. I mean, they're essentially just relying on the eyesight of old men to place the ball arbitrarily based on where they "think" they saw it when the player went down - viewing angle be damned. All just to make things "easier"?
Football is literally "The Game of Inches," so when every single play comes down to pure guesswork in terms of the exact ball spot, it kinda reduces the whole sport imo. And not just in crucial spots like 3rd and 4th downs - but literally every single play. Every single time the ball is spotted, it's guesswork. And these missed inches add up to feet, and feet add up to yards, and yards add up to first downs over the course of a game. Yet very few people seem to question this archaic way of doing things, or even think about it at all.
I mean, you can find numerous videos online of refs spotting the ball very dubiously, and even vids of other refs coming in and moving the ball from where a first ref spotted it. And it never gets questioned. It's insane when you think about it. Especially considering that the technology is definitely out there in this day and age to do something about it, like put chips/sensors in the ball and throughout the field or something...
rest in peace jordan, you were the best doggo and im so glad you got to set up the best closing joke in a video. hope youre doing ok jon ❤️
RIP doggo
I have never watched football in my life, I have no interest in watching football, I don't even know the rules of football, and yet, you managed to put me in a curiousity headlock of good writing and interesting visuals, and made me watch a 50 minute video about one niche aspect of football, and I loved it. This video is so well done, I'm kinda glad youtube stubbornly recommended this to me several times.
youtube did the same to me! i guess it knows what i’ll like better than i do 😅
When the first chart is a 3d representation of every punt of the last 18 years, you know you're in for a good one
"I'm misusing algebra to throw a fit." That is the greatest sentence ever said. I applaud you.
Almost everything that Jon had ever said is great
@@analytical768 Indeed. But this in particular was perfect.
ohhhh....I thought he said "I miss using algebra to throw a fit" haha.....makes sense.
@@chrisn3819 Imagine Jon Bois in math, and the pure entertainment value that brings with it.
Timestamp?
The Chicago Bears:
The “Oh you” of professional football
Interesting profile picture
*LA Chargers
Being the oldest team, they just had more time to make dumb decisions is all
Nice profile picture.
Worth pointing out that the opening example where they punted every possession was against the LOB Seahawks, arguably one of the three greatest defenses of all time. As fearful as the Bears were that day, there are few defenses in history that such craven acts would be more justifiable against.
Edward Tufte is a statistician and artist who recognized the relationship between how information is visually displayed and the audience’s ability to understand the significance of what that display is communicating. Brilliant and helpful.
The graphs at 1:48 and 51:23 understand Tufte’s lesson perfectly and I would hang them in my office if they were prints. They’re simple, a little snarky, immediately clear, and somehow a little beautiful.
I just watched an hour long video on punting, do I regret it... NO
I WAS EXPECTING PUNTS LMAO LIKE -35 YARDS
Right!? lol
Jon Bois could put up charts and talk about soccer passes and I'd watch it enthusiastically.
NOOOOOOOOOOOO! (Pretty Good)
Yonathan Gonzalez it was called the super bowl
54 minute chart party? *This is everything I've ever needed.*
Same
Yeah
Yep never knew I needed this but I'm glad I got this
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breakfast was mighty nice today with an hour spent watching the best use of Presi ever
As a high school football official, I can say we definitely prefer to place the ball on a 5 yrd marker if possible, it makes things a lot easier to keep up with and makes the game flow more naturally.
It gets worse. John Fox - that Panthers coach who killed the pooch punt - was also the Chicago Bears head coach WHEN THEY PUNTED TEN TIMES OUT OF TEN. I’m not sure whether to be thankful for John or laugh uncontrollably, UrinatingTree style.
The alternate programming was a nice touch
Jon bois makes me pp long
It IS what football fans crave
Was that the game where cutler faked an injury so he wouldnt have to play the legion? I mean he really did fake it. He threw a pick late in the game the week before and walked off the field without being touched.
@Paul Anderson what r u
Paul Anderson your comments are pretty good
Jon Bois- Someone punted on the 24. Trust me, there's an explaination.
Me: HOW CAN THERE POSSIBLY BE AN E- _oh its the Bengals, carry on_
Hey as a Bengals fan...
Yeah that's exactly something we would do, carry on.
Uk what a drop-kick field goal is right? There has never been an actual punt inside the 30. If u saw a punt type kick it was a drop-kick field goal. Usually happens when the place kicker is hurt and the punter can't place kick.
There's footage of it now: ua-cam.com/video/sC6xs9DZ9oo/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/-d0RkMB_VPE/v-deo.html
Skip to 2:33
@@Kumquat_Lord It was on youtube earlier in a five hour long video about the 2000 NFL season
are we collectively ignoring the fact that jon thinks so highly of this video that he had a tutorial on HOW TO USE UA-cam at the start of it
As a long-suffering Vikings fan, I'm used to disappointment and being listed alongside the annals of failure. When this video had played through all the way up to the #2 spot without the Vikings even being mentioned once, I was dreading the announcement.
And sure, enough. #1 most disappointing punt of all-time. Vikings.
No big surprise really, just another in the long list of Vikings failures.
I felt the exact same dread at the exact same time.
jon could talk about paint drying for 54 minutes and i'd be all for it
Yeah, but he'd be talking about paint compositions and mixing techniques and find some way to create a dozen graphs.
Tej Seth
Same lol
@@forgottenfamily "as you can see here from 2000-2019 the amount of purple paint jumped and here's why i think that happened"
Same
"This is Buffalo's only major pro sports team"
[Cries in Sabres]
He did so PROFESSIONAL.
True the sabres really suck...but so do the bills so really Buffalo has no professional sports teams
@@Rindiculousfun Sabres are in the playoff hunt rn
40:30
The best part is I didn’t even question it bc why would buffalo have more sports team?
39:40
In 2005 my highschool played LeSean Mccoy's team in the Semi finals of the PA state playoffs. He was out for that game. We won 14-13 and went on to blowout the next team for the championship. I maintain that if he had played that we would've not gotten a ring.
Nice to see a fellow Pennsylvanian, especially since my team just won the state championship too
Darelle Revis' high school (Aliquippa) played against my high school in the PA high school playoffs and he single-handedly beat our team playing offense, defense and special teams. It was the best football team Slippery Rock High School ever had and he carried his team to a win with a couple TDs late in the game. It was obvious the guy was going to be great before he went on to Pitt; before he went on to the NFL.
I have to admit that I had trouble paying attention to the video because I was overwhelmed thinking about how difficult and laborious it must have been to put all these statistics together. I’m gonna have to watch it a second time for sure. It’s amazing to have this kind of content on UA-cam anyway, congrats man
Jon: I will explain punting for viewers who don’t watch sports
Also Jon: *explains whole damn game of football*
I mean, it is called football. Punting is a major part of football so by explaining punting you have explained pretty much half of football so might as well go all the way...wait no this is football, a game about quitting, oh well there are always outliers.
I really appreciate it. I'm here because I like hockey (but know almost nothing) and it snowballed into watching every chary party video because statistics are beautiful so I like getting explanations
Well he does have to put the punt into perspective. It'd be impossible to explain a punt as a stand-alone action. A lot of other things have to happen to warrant a punt
I tried to listen to his explanation, but as a football fan, I couldn't tear my attention away from the wonderful alternative programming. When I saw two older gentlemen fighting over a baseball bat, I felt a supreme peace I've never known before or since.
lol
Damn it, I watched the whole video biting my nails every time a dot was zoomed in on like "God I hope it's not the Vikings" and then, boom.
i've watched this video a few times since it came out, and i can't help but cheering "skol!" every time that last little dot gets its moment. truly a remarkable team of failure.
@@jeastman9603 ours is a history of failure and idiocy except for that one time that was sick which we preceded to waste by losing the very next game before our own goddamn Super Bowl. We’re the Mariners of football.
As Paul allen said “This is not Detroit man this is the super bowl”
They did win :)
I watched with same pit in my stomach except I was hoping it wasn't the Packers. We did show up for a play when we murdered the pooch punt. Haha, couldn't have been better.
I think the reason why the saddest punts often occurred in games where the punting team won is because the construction of the surrender index means that the saddest punts occur in very close games, and in very close games, the outcome is closer to a coin flip. Variance handles the rest, resulting in a 6-3-1 record for teams with the saddest punts purely because the game was close and anything can happen.
In short, the situations that create the saddest punts are the situations where the outcome of the game is the least predictable at the time of the punt.
in defense of the 2000 Ravens, trying to pin a team in their own 20 and hope to force a turnover or at least punt to Jermaine Lewis was easily the most likely way they would score
40:36 “This is the city of buffalo’s only pro sports team”
Buffalo Sabres: Am I a joke to you?
NHL: yes
The sabres are so angry about this omission they decided to tie (as i am writing this, 3/31/21 they are currently up 2-1 on the Philadelphia Flyers with 13:39 remaining in the 2nd) the all time loss streak record for the NHL
@@Brivalia they won the game 6-1. Thank god we didn't break the streak lol
@@P3rplexer still waiting for that 6-1 score in football 😩
I think you mean 40:31
The Blue Jays: aight, Imma head out
A 54 minute documentary about punting... Chart Party makes everything sound exciting
I cant believe I watched the whole thing. Totally worth it
Watched the whole damn thing too
The fact this was made 3 years before the butt punt is a travesty. The algorithm would probably consider it sensible.
"That's the number one rule of data journalism; come in with an idea, and bend the rules however you need to, to prove your point."
LOL no truer words have ever been spoke. I guessing that's why you didn't mention the bills decision to punt paid off. They stopped the colts, got the ball back, and scored a touchdown, clinching that playoff spot. (spoke too long lol, love that twist ending, well done!)
All 32 Sabres fans disliked this video.
31. Buffalo Braves fan here. I went into a coma in 1978.
All 66
I liked it and I'm a fan of Buffalo Wild Wings, so these dislikers are weird, and don't appreciate misusing algebra.
Where’s Patty La Fontaine and Alex Mogilny when you need them? Dominator came a generation too late!
"THERE ARE DOZENS OF US"
"The Number One Rule of Data Journalism: Come in with an agenda, and bend the rules however you need to in order to prove your point."
This line was so absolutely funny, and yet, it also describes almost every political survey I have seen reported over the last ten years...
As the kids say these days, OOF.
Gamedragon bro - 🤔
"how much do you love Trump and what he's doing? 1) I love him 2) I really like him 3) I adore him 4) he's the greatest 5) I hate America and accept being subject to a no knock raid at any time"
...and then, reported from your survey, "52% of Americans support Trump, 2% hate America, and 46% have no opinion." 😅 [accurate within 3%, 19 times out of 20]
@@SuperNuclearUnicorn The saddest thing is that Trump in particular does exactly this
There is actually a reason that 2000 raven's team came out of nowhere to win 9 in a row, they put in Dilfer at qb and their offense went from being atrocious to pretty damn good
I feel like this vikings punt might appear in the 7 part documentary... very excited to see it again
That’s an insult to the Sabres 40:35
Yeah they should def add that to the description.
Sabres suck
Sam Federman you beat me to it
Not only the Sabres but Bandits and Beauts are also professional sports teams.
The Real New England Patriots Fan! Tom Brady kisses his son sometimes with tongue
This video did NOT seem like nearly an hour.
True, went by fairly quickly for me
yeah it felt like three to me
Hey Jon, great video but you should definitely revisit this video to add playoff punting to the Surrender Index since clearly punting in the postseason is that much worse with every game being a win or go home, maybe a x2 for wild card, x3 for division, x4 for conference, and a god awful x8 for Super Bowl punting. For most punts which would be around the 0.5-3.0 on the Index, the playoff multiplier wouldn't do that much but for example punting on 4th and 1 inside the opponent's 40 during the Super Bowl would result in a catastrophic score.
Don't forget some kind of modifier for how many times you've punted previously in the game.
In Week 15 of the 2022 season on December 17th, the Minnesota Vikings were playing the Indianapolis Colts and the Vikings punted on 4th and 10 at the Colts 39 yard line, during a tied game in overtime with 4:50 remaining.
According to my calculations with the formulas provided, the surrender index was 320.34 for that punt. This would be ranked between 8th and 9th from the video.
Below is my math. Let me know if there are any errors.
((2110*0.001)^3)+1=10.39 (seconds passed in the second half and overtime formula)
19.27*0.8*2*10.39=320.34
Jon mentioned in the video that the weirdest games have the highest surrendex punts and this game was no exception. The Colts were leading 33-0 at halftime, until the Vikings tied the game late in the 4th quarter with a touchdown. The Vikings punted in overtime with 4:50 left. The Vikings defense stopped the Colts and forced them to punt (according to my calculations, this punt isn't as high because the Colts weren't as far downfield as the Vikings on the previous series). The Vikings then drive down the field and kicked a game winning field goal. Since the Vikings won, the Colts blew the biggest lead in NFL history and were eliminated from the playoffs. Another thing worth mentioning is that Matt Ryan was the quarterback for the losing team in the biggest Super Bowl choke (28-3) and is also now losing quarterback in the biggest regular season choke ever in NFL history.
The Vikings eventually won by being cowards and not kicking a field goal when they had the opportunity to do so. Football is a weird and dumb sport.
Part of this decision was due to Indianapolis inability to move the ball since halftime, punting there meant a tie was the worst case scenario. They would be frerolling for a win. Also a field goal does not end the game as that was the initial drive.
But yes in terms of the surrender index this would be way up there.
@@justinjelinek8420 You're right. I forgot about the 1st overtime possession field goal rule. I stand corrected.
@@jonscottiegrippin not my intent to correct, but explain why the punt makes sense despite the surrender index. I trust your math is right on terms of the surrender index, and the present ot rules were in place at the time of this vide. Indianapolis punted on the following drive with a little over a minute left iirc. I think that would register even higher.
Pretty funny how Jon mentioned these punts showing up in the weirdest games, and then a couple years later one shows up in the biggest comeback in nfl history. Football is a weird sport lol
The fact that the Browns are not mentioned ONCE in this video is actually pretty amazing.
Usually their losses wouldn't relate to punting, though. It's more other factors against them, not punting.
The only teams not mentioned in this video are the Browns, the Broncos, the Giants, the Saints and the Cardinals.
Congratulations, you five. (I might have missed a mention somewhere though)
@@crazyluigi6664 The pre-2020 Browns had more tragicomically effective ways to turn the ball over
@@Ramboost007 Pretty much, yeah.
Can’t be featured in a video on cowardly punting if you already turned the ball over before fourth down
"This is the city of buffalos only pro sports team" - 44:31
the buffalo sabers are so easy to forget that people just do
Sabres: Am I joke to you?
He put it in the description that he forgot about them lol
Only team in the 4 major NA sports to finish bottom 10 every single year the last 7 seasons
@@KMcNally117 Everyone: Yes. Yes you are.
@@KMcNally117 yes
I’ve watched this like a dozen times and I JUST noticed the “FIG. 4” joke at 8:03. Amazing.
I watched it once... it took me a few times wondering what it had to get it, but I like it!
"That's the number one rule of data journalism: Come in with an agenda and bend the rules however you need to to prove your point." Perfection.
I don’t need money or family or a career all I need is chart party
Jackson Alley literally
I want to see what kids grow up to do who were inspired by John Bois' statistical and entertainment prowess. John is unknowingly creating something that no one thought was possible. A way to entertain kids with math.
He's one of the crowning examples of how good UA-cam can be. Wish more people were as passionate about their content as he is.
Two words. Game theory. Admittedly that’s more for video game fans than sports fans but my point stands.
This video is incredible. The music, the narration, the amount of energy and time to collect and arrange all that data, simply amazing
A video in a video so you dont bore people with your explanation... is this the most ingenious video making strategy ive just witnessed? This is actually a completely logical and yet something ive NEVER seen before.
At 41:15 when Jon asked to imagine being a Bill's fan in attendance, I didn't have to imagine. I was at that game, not knowing that I was about to witness one of the saddest punts in history. Still, it was a great game to be at, especially since we pulled out the win
sitting at a bills game for 3+ hours in the blinding snow, watching your team commit unholy punting acts
"yeah it was a good game"
Stockholm syndrome doesn't even cut it. This is Buffalo syndrome.
@@danlorett2184 Hey, I was there with my dad and some friends and we had a great time. I love my Bills no matter what
And you guys end up going to the playoffs as well.
@@samhoagland1067 Exactly! The fact that they made it was something were any suspense was ultimately lost to me. That was the only one, though.
Someone build a surrender index bot like the scorigami bot
I remember reading a story in the early aughts about a HS coach who nearly never punted who wanted others to realize it was pretty useless for most high schools.
At the end of the 2020 season, Aaron Rodgers had thrown more touchdowns than his team had punted, the first time in NFL HISTORY that has happened.
Leave it to Jon Bois to have me watch an hour of math based on punts, I love you Jon Bois
I’m pretty sure most people missed a small joke, so I’m gonna explain it. Between 8:05 and 8:10 there is a transition between figure three and figure five and we can see figure four right above it. This is a picture of a wrestler named Ric Flair. He is in a submission move that he created called the Figure Four. Thanks for reading!
I was wondering why that was there. Thanks!
He draws no attention to it, which makes it so much better.
I guess that's why he credited ric flair in the end
Did you guys catch between figure 10 and figure 12 he had finger 11?
Flair has it on the best Canadian wrestler ever, Bret "Hitman" Hart! This, I believe, is a photo from their Saskatoon, Saskatchewan house show match where Bret wins the WWF title
I can't believe you made an hour long deep dive on punts and I watched all the way through and thoroughly enjoyed the hell out of it. Well done
this accursed channel is why i, a british person whose only previous sporting interest was Watford FC and a personal sojourn into throwing discus during secondary school, is now damn near addicted to madden. congratulations jon. you've made me like handegg.
and also baseball, despite the fact that i've only ever enjoyed playing batting and feilding sports and never cared for watching them or thinking about them in any capacity and am, again, about as british as sarcasm and rain.
I want a bravery index. Who is the biggest crackpot out there!
All those teams lost
Pete Carroll
Doug Pederson by a mile. Someone linked the most aggressive "go for it on 4th" and he broke the curve. Pete Carroll isn't even in the top 50%
twitter.com/StatsbyLopez/status/1070314645024575489
SykoSkwerl99 Pete Carroll also has a lot of really bad losses tied to when he is aggressive.
Steve Spurrier was rather insane.
UA-cam : "do you wanna watch an hour long documentary about punting?"
Me : "yeah"
So worth it too!
Who wouldn’t?
Don't even like football but I watch too much SB
11:28 "There is an explanation for this one, I promise."
Me, three seconds later: "Oh, it's the Bungles. Perfect explanation."
I...freakin...LOVE your videos. Another fantastic installment of my favorite series and you still got Chart Party on lock. Well done, sir.
This is what the apostels must have felt like when Jesus rose from the dead.
Depressed because the devil won anyway? So postmodern. I like it.
@@TonecrafteLuthiery Nice username
recognition for username/avatar
because of the shock factor, that what seemed like to them was a bad sacrifice decision, end up in a W?😂
Tbh sb nation has been putting out good content besides jon bois so I wasn’t as sad in the jon bois drought but omg this made my day
Hurry the feet you’re right
Yeah the Rewind series is great
Beef history has been great too
Jamct97 I love weird rules too
Eh, nothing even is in the same league as chart party. Its similar to the Escapist, zero punctuation is on another level from anything they make, and Chart Party here is too.
This is my 4th time watching this and I love it every time. The timing the dry humor and the shear unbelievable irony that most the games resulted in wins for the Surrending team!
Outstanding analysis and presentation. This video exposes what is for me one of the most compelling aspects of the game of football, and indeed the enigma of the human condition; the fact that both play out within the constraints of a deterministic field, yet the outcomes reveal the ever presence of an intangible and capricious unknown variable. This mysterious component of us and the game we play, this ghost in the machine, betrays predictability and makes us free!
*Insert obligatory Jon Bois is back comment here*
The BOIS is back
*obligatory Jon Bois is back comment*
THE BOIS IS BACK IN TOWN
Tuesday is for the BOIS
The legend himself, *Jon Bois* , is back!
This is not a drill Chart party is back people I repeat this is not a drill
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You didn't repeat anything
These are so well done..
I've seen this at least twice and I'm still here watching, again..
This is probably the best hour any sports, or even stats, fan could spend on UA-cam. I've been here half a dozen times in the last 2 years. I'm sure I'll be back sooner than I'd like.
Jon Bois. Thank you. Never stop being you.
"This is the city of Buffalo's only pro sports team."
Those poor Sabres.
hollabackitsobi I mean, he’s not entirely wrong
28:18 I distinctly remember this punt because my dog got hit by a car during this game, and my dad and I had to drive 2 hours to get her to an emergency animal hospital, because this was at 8 at night on a Sunday. So it was one in the morning, and we had no idea about our dogs condition, or even if she was going to survive. We were watching Sportscenter, and they were talking about this punt, and they showed this punt. So me and my dad were in this lobby, waiting to hear if our dog was going to live, terrified out of our minds, and this punt was so cowardly, it took our minds off of it and we talked about it for 5 minutes. That’s how sad this punt was.
P.S. She survived. Had some mild contusions, and slipped a disc in her back. She recovered, and while she don’t get around like she used to, she still here and that’s all that matters.
Edit: I should also mention that this happened like three weeks before my birthday, so my present was getting my pup back.
P.S.S. WHY WOULD YOU PUNT FROM THEIR, IN OT NO LESS? WHY?
Edit: edited time stamp for your ease.
I'm crying what the hell I'm glad your dog is ok
I was worried that your dog wasnt gonna make it
i was about to cry
Lmao yeah I "distinctly" remember this game too, it literally happened less than a year ago
Btw in case anyone cares, she’s 13, and that really complicated things. We didn’t know if she’d recover, but after 3 weeks of laser therapy, she can walk okay. She can’t run for more than a few steps, but I got my pup back for my birthday.
Popped up 2 years later in my recommendation videos. Even though that is strange in itself it's even more strange how fun and interesting you made a video about punting.
Can’t express enough gratitude for this video that obviously took so much time and effort!!
I wonder how many NFL punters and special teams coordinators have watched this
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Kicker taking notes rn
All these happened under bad head coaches. Its no accident that you don't see Bill Belichick or Pete Carroll or Andy Reid on this list.
Chris Warcraft actually did
twitter.com/ChrisWarcraft/status/1098256718599843841
@@Arigator2 most of tom bradys pooch punts have just been to disgrace / humiliate the other team, like one example against the broncos they pooch punted on THIRD down because they were up big, and it triggered a huge fight from the broncos bench.
The Ravens team he cancelled then uncancelled, did win the Super Bowl and set the record for fewest points allowed in a season. They were almost more likely to score on defense than offense. So punting was essentially like giving the ball back to their offense.
EDIT: When you comment too soon ...
Man that ending was beautiful. One of the best plot twists I’ve ever seen
His name is Kyle Richardson
*16 game era
I've noticed as time has gone along and with the emergence of analytics, teams seem to go for it a lot more on 4th down. I remember for decades the prevailing wisdom was pretty much if it's 4th down and you're not in FG range, you ALWAYS punt the ball unless it's 4th and Inches and you can do a QB sneak. Even a 4th and 1 was regarded as a no-brainer punt unless it was a crucial, end of the game situation.
I like to think that this trend was caused by this video
@@bigzm9266 Everyone is so afraid of Jon Bois making a video about them "giving up" on 4th down so they just go for it instead.
one of the best YT productions ever. y'all are the best at this. you guys and summoning salt rule supreme with research productions
41:04 I personally believe this is Jon’s trademark song
The greatest youtuber of all time is back :D
Hey man love your stuff.
When do we get a JB and SS collab?
I wasn’t expecting to see you here tbh lol
Summoning salt is the sb nation/jon bois of speed running
First a Punchout vid from Summoning Salt himself, now an HOUR-LONG CHART PARTY? What did we do to deserve such spoils?
This is, by far, my favourite way to watch sports. And I love actually watching sports. But this itches my inner geek so well that it’s 1000 times better.
53:47 had to come back here and see the ending again after hearing Jordan passed away 😢rip