@@LogPo4 How does that even compare? Football is entirely different. IF you wanted to use that analogy you'd have to talk about how Jerry Rice caught x amount of passes compared to others who have attained a 1000 yard season. For example, it's not that impressive if you catch 1000 catches for 1000 yards. But if you catch 20 passes for 1000, that's damn impressive. What I'm saying is the amount of 3 pointers he made is not that impressive because ultimately he took more shots. His average percentage of making the shot was relatively the same as the year before. Obviously anyone who has taken a math course can tell you that if you take more shots, you're going to overall make more baskets. Again, that's not impressive. That just means either you're a ball hog and not a team player, or that you are only there so people can feed you the ball. Neither of which is impressive. What would be impressive would be the rise in the percentage of shots made, but again, that didn't happen to the extent that it would be impressive compared to the year previous. Now also, the graph is at fault. The reason why, to any lay person, it looks impressive is because the y variable is the amount of shots taken. Of course once again, anyone who has taken a math course can tell you that ultimately the amount of shots taken doesn't matter at all, what does matter is percentage made. This data could be better represented by simple having a cutoff of let's say 200 shots taken, and then simply have the percentages made graphed out per year. Not only will this show how three point shooters have become more accurate over the years but it will get rid of the misleading large distance between years for Steph.
:D Well, if you think about it, he didn't have an opinion about kickoffs, took them how they came, and concluded they're stupid and bad! Also, I don't care about football, I prefer the real football (the one you actually play with your feet), so I like kickoffs, because without kickoffs, you couldn't begin a game of football. Real football, of course.
The most incredible thing about the final chart is that if it was remade today there would be way more stars up there but 2 years ago it was alone. In other words, that season by Steph single handedly revolutionized the sport.
coltin this is why I’ll never understand people who talk shit about curry. I’m a diehard rockets fan but I have maaaaaad respect for steph curry even if I hate his team
yeah, teams were using stretch 4s and bombing 3s before the Warriors. The Warriors just happened to get the most attention (a lot of it well earned) for it. D'Antoni deserves as much credit as the Warriors in my book
@Hugh Mungus for Mike, you gotta look at what the Suns were doing with Nash. It laid the foundations for now, but yeah Moreyball deserves big credit as well.
@Hugh Mungus average three point attempt rate was climbing extremely slowly after around 2005. Sure it wouldve come to a point where all teams were averaging 10 made threes a game but that wouldve taken a very long while. The league needed a player like Curry to show that a high attempt rate leads to more wins and easy scoring. And you cant really compare curry to any other great three point shooter since curry was taking a lot more than they were, no one had the confidence to shoot at the rate he did, everyone thought it was a bad idea. The 05 and 06 suns collapsing before the finals did not help the league attempt more threes, the warriors dominating the league did.
credit is due for the only unanimous MVP in history and singlehandedly took over the league with 3s, however, as much I don’t want to sound like I’m hating, he did choke a 3-1 lead in the finals, as the only team in history to do so. Like it or not, he may have revolutionized the game, but still ended up in the wrong side of the table. The three is overrated
the jazz intro music is so incredibly composed. the modal interchange, the changes. seriously incredible. i dont know why im obsessing over it so much. i can get the chart party music out of my head
exactly man. i'm hunting for the rest of the music here. the final track with curry's 402 is mladen franko's beneath the rainbow, which is finally available on streaming platforms. edit: Chart Party intro music is "Love de Luxe" by Keith Mansfield
I've never really thought about how strange the 3-pt line is. I mean, imagine if we had something like this in other sports. You hit a homerun, but if it's over 450ft it counts as TWO homeruns. Or let's say you kick a FG from past 50 yards, you get FOUR points instead of three. Or in soccer, if you score a goal from outside the 18 yard box it counts as TWO goals. It's really kind of bizarre and arbitrary.
Honestly the best thing about soccer. You can score glorious long-range goals, flying headers, send three defenders to the donut shop with skill before scoring, but they all only count as one. The transcendent talent of the best players on the best teams can be cancelled out by a corner and a bunch of really big dudes ricocheting it in off someone's ass. Tough break, should have found a more effective way to score more goals. It makes many, many playstyles viable, there is no unified strategy. If goals from outside the penalty area counted as 2, that's all anyone would try to do. Teams who rely on counter-attacks down the flanks, teams who use set-pieces to create chances, and teams who play a slow, possession-based game all suffer. Every single one of those tactics has worked in the last 10 years.
Baseball is a little like that. If you hit a home run that just barely makes it at 356 feet, it's a score. Hit it 354 feet and it's probably an out. If you mishit it badly and it only makes it halfway, well that might be a double depending on which direction it went. A line drive might get you on base, but if you had hit it one degree more to the left it would have been an easy out. Even worse, the ball is nearly impossible to control. Batters are lucky to even hit the ball much of the time, so aiming it is a crap shoot. Batting takes a lot of skill, but each at bat involves a huge amount of luck. This is why the best teams only win about 60% of the time, and the playoffs are so unpredictable. If they wanted the best teams to win each playoff series, they'd need to play several dozen games.
@@QuarkTwain there's plenty of hitters that can pick which direction they'd like to the ball based on their swing speed. Sure, not all can but certainly the best of best can and do. They can also control whether they hit a grounder or a sac fly for the most part. All those things are possible.
Koala ツ no, because the team players in each team would be different without the three. The history would change even more than he showed in this video and it is impossible to guess what would happen to the game. And watch some old school games when there was no three pointers. Those games were boring, because of tight defense close to the basket and only thing that made the game exciting was fast breaks.
Abc it is easy as one two three *curry wouldnt be curry the 3 pointer drove people to shoot from distance so exclude all small ball 3 point deadeyes like curry and klay, that would gut the golden state warriors and make small ball nba a joke that means people like kyrie would have a harder time because while he can drive the 3 point arc pulls defenders out from under the rim so he can be the ankle breaking iso beast we all know and love losing the three point line would change the nba completely because suddenly a shot from distance doesnt mean as much and isnt worth the risk of a miss if theres not an extra point involved the nba would return to a slasher (LeBron and Westbrook) dominated league
There’s also a geometric reason for the relatively high percentage near the line. Defenders have to travel further, and that means it’s easier to get open space. There’s literally more space to cover out there, meaning even with the same level of effort it’d be more difficult to defend
Saw the title and figured you would recalculate warrior games to measure against their historic season.... Imean holy shit man your awesome. the entire fucking league!!! plus the playoffs and that 100+ attempts accuracy/volume graph at the end....your fuckin boss dude, answering questions ive wonderee myself. you deserve waaaaay more subs.
There have been a lot of 3 specialists. Hes the best ever at what he does. He also set the record, while sharing with Klay who had the 3rd best 3pt season in history. Only to be topped by Steph twice. So.... yeah
Every single Jon Bois video makes me feel like I’m in the middle of Japan in 2007 and I feel like I’m inside of a Wii... it’s very nostalgic and I love it so much
2016: Oh hey, Angie's a Bucks fan! 2 years later when Jon is rewatching this video: Oh crap 5 years later when the Bucks win the championship with a REALLY good 3 point shooting team: Aw Crabapples Edit: How tf did this get so many likes? I mean thank you but how?
I am so sorry for your loss. You know, of hours of your life that you'll never get back. But! But as of writing this, this video has 1,000 views and is 10 minutes long. Ergo, you have provided from this 10,000 minutes worth of entertainment, or 166 hours. Since it's got a dislike, let's call it 165 hours of successful fantastic work. And the video's only been up for five hours!
I love Chart Party! The voice-over, the music, the visual style... and of course, the actual content. I like to geek out on stats, and now I have someone to look up to. I think the 3pt is something great because it makes it possible for guys like Curry, who are not all that physical, to become game changing factors. Not better, not worse, but it makes it more fun when it's not the same old huge-guy-pushes-towards-the-rim. Nothing against that, it's just that the contrast makes it all shine brighter. Watching LeBron James and Steph Curry at once in the same universe is great. I say it's a keeper.
Thomas can do that because defenders have to guard him at the 3-point line. Without the 3-pointer he would have absolutely zero chance to get to the rim because the defense would pack it in and always be in front of him. Proper offensive spacing and the threat of shooting a 3 allows guards to be a threat at the rim as well.
This is awesome. To come to the conclusion that the three point shot doesn’t really matter from this experiment is actually all the more reason to go for a shot that counts 1.5 times as much as a closer shot. Well done. So cool.
for instance ur the away team and ur down 6...... thats 3 times down the court, but 2 back to back dagger 3's and tie game..... now the crowd isnt as strong and some players feed off of that. THATS why we need the 3 pt line... its just too bad some teams ONLY shoot 3's.
more to my point of being down 6, lets say there was 34secs left in the game..... two 3's back to back would take the home team out of it.....OR hype the shit out of the home team. then lets says OT hits, now the team that hit the 3's is hot even tho the score is tied. sure 3 dunks would do the same but in the 34secs scenario, its much less likely.
also if no 3's the warriors dont win 73 games only 59..... the crowd IS WHY they shot so many. they are also THE REASON for this exact video, because they shoot too many and some ppl like myself dont like it.
DR. SAVAGE wait, so you're saying that if there wasn't a 3 pt they would automatically lose nearly 20 more games? If what you are doing is taking their made 3s and making them 2s then that doesn't work because then you have to factor in their field goal percentages and most likely they wouldn't shoot from so far away if there was no need making their likelihood of making the shot go up. So say they were a 40% 3pt shooter but had a 80% FG that would technically mean if they were 2-4 from the 3pt changing that to 2pts would technically mean they would make an extra shot so they'd be 3-4. Another thing the Warriors aren't the team that leads the league in 3pt attempts they are actually 5th behind Houston, Cleveland, Boston, and Brooklyn in that order. And they are 3rd in % behind San Antonio and Cleveland tho they are tied on the season with Cleveland. But I made my point. And I agree with yours that the 3 is not boring nor does it make the game worse, I've always been a fan of basketball but rarely watched the regular season, but the past 2 years I watch every game that comes on tv (dependent on the teams) because generally I'm guaranteed some kind of excitement. (Especially with the recent game winners and game tying buzzer beaters)
I have zero opinion on NBA. I mean, absolute zero. THIS, however, I have a divisive opinion on. This video was fantastic. The concept and execution was top notch. The writing and narration, superb. Graphics and visuals are excellent. You made the content interesting and intriguing despite me having zero interest in it. Your deep research and efforts did not go unappreciated. I have subscribed and hope to see more of your work in the future.
Dude, your videos are so good!!! The writing is clear, polished, and entertaining, and the editing is simple yet unique. Most importantly, your ideas are just so damn fun! I've just discovered your series, and I'm so glad. Clear and intelligent sports commentary exists!
Needed to watch something like this tonight. Thanks so much Jon Bois, you’re a lifesaver and an inspiration to all us aspiring artist/sports stat nerds ❤️
I like threes because without them last minute upsets wouldn't be as common, and whenever someone does a half court or full court shot, it would be less likely to cause an upset
There is a college game from the 70s or 80s where a Virginia Tech player was credited with an 89 foot two pointer to win the game. However the replay showed his plant foot on the base line, so the shot should not have been scored. Officials did not review plays in those days.
Just implement NORTH KOREA'S BASKETBALL SCORING RULES - Slam dunks are worth three points (up from two) - Field goals in the final three minutes of the game are worth eight points (up from two) - Three-pointers are worth four if the ball doesn't touch the rim - A point is deducted for missed free throws
@@LeoAr37 the last 3min thing is bs but the others sound kind of fun. i mean, the 3pt dunk is a no for the NBA but I've got to assume NK basketball players are (local and) significantly shorter than NBA players generally are, so maybe it is that much more difficult to dunk vs. make a layup and thus reasonably worth the extra point.
I rarely ever comment, but this video needs its due praise. This analysis of the NBA 3 point line is brilliant; the subject matter is interesting, the commentary is witty, informative, and well-delivered, and the visuals are entertaining, insightful, and complementary to the subject material. Sir, you have gained a subscriber.
yeah i happened to notice some weird copyright notices flashing at the bottom at some point. i guess you can load custom textures into google earth?? dunno
ha, yep! i tried to crop out the usage credits at the bottom that Google Earth thought i was using, but certain areas use multiple lines of credit so they creeped into the video a couple times
I would subscribe 1 million times if I could. Your work is worthy of more than just UA-cam. ESPN, SC, Heck! Even a non-sports station would be more than pleased with your graphic design skills and editing prowess. keep up with what you're doing, and I guaranteed you're channel(and success) will blow-up and to something even more amazing than it already is! keep up the great work!
The sentence "Thanks to guys like him, basketball is completely horrible and everything is ruined forever" alone deserves thumbs up. Great video yet again!
There needs to be an updated version of this. Even just a couple years ago 3’s were quite a bit less important than I would think they are now, but really their purpose is to space the floor properly.
Whilst arbitrary I think the shape of the 3 point line is pretty clever - can't bank shots off the glass from the corners, so bringing the distance in a bit makes it fairer to let people have a go at 3s around the court. Amazing video man 😃
That last Steph Curry stat is insane. Congratulations on finishing this whole video, I can't even imagine how much work it took but we thank you in full!
Amazing how people can immediately hate on Steph's accomplishment without the basic understanding of what the stat means. He's the best, most consistent (aka best) 3pt shooter in league history.
came here expecting an ok-ish informational video but man, you made me respect the effort you put into researching and scripting and doing all these graphics and shit even if they might be on the simpler side
Bill Mitchell such a naive argument when people say basketball is boring cause it's not physical. It was NEVER about that. Go watch football. With no 3, and pretending this dudes reasearch was wrong(centers would matter more) then we'd watch a game slow as hell with twice as many fucking fouls
The game is more physical now than it's ever been. Jordan never got arm barred or hand checked as much as everyone says. There is much more of it today against shooters and point guards. Watch any good shooter run around screens and you'll see him get chucked and grabbed all game.
And to the original point, a center that can shoot 3s is probably the most valuable player in the league. It allows your offense to space out nicely and you also have the option to post up/kick out to the open man or just go up and dunk it. Centers will always be relevant. But the 3-pointer is the most valuable shot in basketball and centers have been slow to adapt until now.
If you play basketball you will understand why the three point line is important; smaller players, who would easily be blocked around the basket, can compensate for their lack of height by having the skill to shoot at a longer range. These shots, being harder to hit, must be worth a greater amount of points in order to make up for their comparatively low accuracy. TLDR; the three point line makes size less of an advantage to players, and thus increases the overall level of skill displayed in professional (and recreational basketball). + they allow for tense, high risk, high reward game winners to be taken, which are gripping to watch.
dudewT212 honestly that could be a great idea. especially with how good curry is from almost half court. ive seen bron do it too. and if buzzer beaters from half court were 4 points then that would be crazzzzy. but people don't usually take that risk unless its buzzer beater.
Awesome video. Huge fan of the chart party series. What would happen if the NBA started valuing baskets based upon distance to the net? We could make farther shots worth more than closer shots but not 1.5 times more, like how it currently is (3pts is 1.5*2pts), which is too much. We should do a little study to determine some equation that values baskets as a function of distance to the net in a fair way so that the expected value of any shot from basically anywhere on the court is the same. This way teams would be simply trying to take the most open shot from anywhere on the court, without having to worry about the drastic difference of value of a 3pt vs. 2pt shot.
That's correct. It's important to realize that a made three-point shot is worth 50% more points than a two-pointer, so those 33% and 34% success rates from the three-point line are equal to a 50% success rate from inside the arc. And, since the ONLY 50% spot is right under the basket, the three-pointer become the percentage play to maximize your score. Take away the three-pointer, and the defense just focuses on stopping the easy shots from close in. Basketball becomes less a shooter's game, more a big man's game. With the defense no longer forced to spread out, the game becomes less interesting (in my opinion, anyway).
So the thing is, I actually enjoy your videos more than the sports you're covering! Stats should be boring but due to you they're not. Great job as always!
As someone who decided to watch a video about a hypothetical world where 3 points don’t exist in a season that my team won the big thing in a sport I know nothing about instead of sleeping, I was not disappointed.
0:09 - to wit: December 13, 1983. Detroit Pistons visiting the Denver Nuggets, in triple-OT Detroit beats Denver in the highest scoring game in NBA history, 186-184. The two teams *combined* to shoot 2-for-4 from behind the arc: Isiah Thomas of Detroit took two 3s and made one of them, Dan Issel of Denver missed his only 3 attempt and Richard Anderson of the Nuggets made his only 3 shot. I haven't actually watched the entire game myself (it's on my to-do list), but it really wouldn't surprise me if most/all of those were buzzer-beater attempts.
Here's the biggest flaw with this experiment in my opinion: all the shot data is still from the world where 3's count. I imagine if the three point line was gone, that teams would take more shots in no mans land instead, because its actually a higher percentage shot, its only because coaches and teams discourage mid range shooting that the percentages of attempts are low and the ones that are made there are highly contested do to being a strategical last resort ie shot clock nearing 0, no other chance to get rid of the ball etc...
History is what is missing from this simulation. The only reason why they shoot from far out was because of two things. One, it's one more point, and two, defense is barely a thing past that line (like you said from your statistics). Without it, most options would drastically change, since there isn't an incentive to shoot there anymore. Basketball would definitely just be a close quarters game to the rim, until eventually, they find out a way to shoot farther as an easier alternative in desperate situations.
Very well made video! The analyzation and chart graphics were very well done 😃 That star chart with the 3-pointers really put Curry's amazing feat into perspective 🔥
Actual Jaw Drop at the end with Curry's last season star. So amazing.
Really is incredible. Almost 50% better than the 2nd best season of all time. 272 to 402 is such a ridiculous gap.
he meant the number of 3s made not the percentage
Why? It's almost the same percentage made? All he did was take more 3s. That's not that impressive.
@@Josh-tt6zg so what jerry rice had 14 1000 yard seasons. A lot of people have 1000 yard seasons, he just did it a few more times.
@@LogPo4 How does that even compare? Football is entirely different. IF you wanted to use that analogy you'd have to talk about how Jerry Rice caught x amount of passes compared to others who have attained a 1000 yard season.
For example, it's not that impressive if you catch 1000 catches for 1000 yards. But if you catch 20 passes for 1000, that's damn impressive.
What I'm saying is the amount of 3 pointers he made is not that impressive because ultimately he took more shots. His average percentage of making the shot was relatively the same as the year before. Obviously anyone who has taken a math course can tell you that if you take more shots, you're going to overall make more baskets. Again, that's not impressive. That just means either you're a ball hog and not a team player, or that you are only there so people can feed you the ball. Neither of which is impressive. What would be impressive would be the rise in the percentage of shots made, but again, that didn't happen to the extent that it would be impressive compared to the year previous.
Now also, the graph is at fault. The reason why, to any lay person, it looks impressive is because the y variable is the amount of shots taken. Of course once again, anyone who has taken a math course can tell you that ultimately the amount of shots taken doesn't matter at all, what does matter is percentage made. This data could be better represented by simple having a cutoff of let's say 200 shots taken, and then simply have the percentages made graphed out per year. Not only will this show how three point shooters have become more accurate over the years but it will get rid of the misleading large distance between years for Steph.
Jon: I don't really have many sports opinions, I just like to take them how they come.
Also Jon: KICKOFFS ARE STUPID AND BAD!
Tbf that's not an opinion, that's a fact.
He is spitting straight facts though
Haters gonna hate, but a star above the rest, is still a star above the rest.
"hey angie is a bucks fan" lmaoo
:D Well, if you think about it, he didn't have an opinion about kickoffs, took them how they came, and concluded they're stupid and bad!
Also, I don't care about football, I prefer the real football (the one you actually play with your feet), so I like kickoffs, because without kickoffs, you couldn't begin a game of football. Real football, of course.
That last chart though, I love it when there's just one player or team that just breaks everything
the wayne gretzky phenomenon i call it
The most incredible thing about the final chart is that if it was remade today there would be way more stars up there but 2 years ago it was alone.
In other words, that season by Steph single handedly revolutionized the sport.
coltin this is why I’ll never understand people who talk shit about curry. I’m a diehard rockets fan but I have maaaaaad respect for steph curry even if I hate his team
yeah, teams were using stretch 4s and bombing 3s before the Warriors. The Warriors just happened to get the most attention (a lot of it well earned) for it. D'Antoni deserves as much credit as the Warriors in my book
@Hugh Mungus for Mike, you gotta look at what the Suns were doing with Nash. It laid the foundations for now, but yeah Moreyball deserves big credit as well.
@Hugh Mungus average three point attempt rate was climbing extremely slowly after around 2005. Sure it wouldve come to a point where all teams were averaging 10 made threes a game but that wouldve taken a very long while. The league needed a player like Curry to show that a high attempt rate leads to more wins and easy scoring.
And you cant really compare curry to any other great three point shooter since curry was taking a lot more than they were, no one had the confidence to shoot at the rate he did, everyone thought it was a bad idea.
The 05 and 06 suns collapsing before the finals did not help the league attempt more threes, the warriors dominating the league did.
credit is due for the only unanimous MVP in history and singlehandedly took over the league with 3s, however, as much I don’t want to sound like I’m hating, he did choke a 3-1 lead in the finals, as the only team in history to do so. Like it or not, he may have revolutionized the game, but still ended up in the wrong side of the table. The three is overrated
Ben Simmons would love this.
indubitably
So would Westbrook because it would revive his career too
Would he though? Ha has no midrange, and without 3, there'd be less spacing and less passing opportunities.
@@RagingRugbyst while you are right, you ruined the joke
Nice
the jazz intro music is so incredibly composed. the modal interchange, the changes. seriously incredible. i dont know why im obsessing over it so much. i can get the chart party music out of my head
exactly man. i'm hunting for the rest of the music here. the final track with curry's 402 is mladen franko's beneath the rainbow, which is finally available on streaming platforms.
edit: Chart Party intro music is "Love de Luxe" by Keith Mansfield
the smooth sax really brings this video together...
Just like my rug really ties my living room together.
MrJreed1000 that’s the only reason I’m here and the fun facts
Anybody know the song name?
PadPusher Incase you’re still looking for it, it’s Love De Luxe by Keith Mansfield
Fax doe
“Oh hey! Angie’s a bucks fan” still kills me
"hey angie is a bucks fan" lmaoo
That was my first thought.
Joseph Schell yall shoot betta than we do in Chicago especially now tht we traded our best 3 point shooter fah a 5th pg #FireGarPax
Joseph Schell better ? Please 😂😂😂
1tmac4life i mean he's not lying lmao, this is coming from a bucks fan
Shit, he just fears the deer
I've never really thought about how strange the 3-pt line is. I mean, imagine if we had something like this in other sports. You hit a homerun, but if it's over 450ft it counts as TWO homeruns. Or let's say you kick a FG from past 50 yards, you get FOUR points instead of three. Or in soccer, if you score a goal from outside the 18 yard box it counts as TWO goals.
It's really kind of bizarre and arbitrary.
actually i want this in every sport now, 50 feet 4 point field goals sounds hilarious
Honestly the best thing about soccer. You can score glorious long-range goals, flying headers, send three defenders to the donut shop with skill before scoring, but they all only count as one. The transcendent talent of the best players on the best teams can be cancelled out by a corner and a bunch of really big dudes ricocheting it in off someone's ass. Tough break, should have found a more effective way to score more goals. It makes many, many playstyles viable, there is no unified strategy.
If goals from outside the penalty area counted as 2, that's all anyone would try to do. Teams who rely on counter-attacks down the flanks, teams who use set-pieces to create chances, and teams who play a slow, possession-based game all suffer. Every single one of those tactics has worked in the last 10 years.
Baseball is a little like that. If you hit a home run that just barely makes it at 356 feet, it's a score. Hit it 354 feet and it's probably an out. If you mishit it badly and it only makes it halfway, well that might be a double depending on which direction it went. A line drive might get you on base, but if you had hit it one degree more to the left it would have been an easy out.
Even worse, the ball is nearly impossible to control. Batters are lucky to even hit the ball much of the time, so aiming it is a crap shoot. Batting takes a lot of skill, but each at bat involves a huge amount of luck. This is why the best teams only win about 60% of the time, and the playoffs are so unpredictable. If they wanted the best teams to win each playoff series, they'd need to play several dozen games.
@@QuarkTwain there's plenty of hitters that can pick which direction they'd like to the ball based on their swing speed. Sure, not all can but certainly the best of best can and do. They can also control whether they hit a grounder or a sac fly for the most part. All those things are possible.
now THAT’S scorigami
What I got from this is that the 95-96 Bulls had a shortened 3pt line, and that Curry is ridiculous.
Gumersindo Cebollero yeah curry is ridiculous for blowing a 3-1 lead
lmfao. yes
Manny Benitez get over it manny
Gumersindo Cebollero lol
ilie get over it u jelly
Wow that curry stat blew my mind
so if the 3 pointer didnt exist then durant wouldnt have left okc because they beat golden state... right???
Koala ツ no, because the team players in each team would be different without the three. The history would change even more than he showed in this video and it is impossible to guess what would happen to the game. And watch some old school games when there was no three pointers. Those games were boring, because of tight defense close to the basket and only thing that made the game exciting was fast breaks.
Koala ツ OMGGG
He would've just gone to Cleveland instead lmao
He's still a snake.
Abc it is easy as one two three *curry wouldnt be curry the 3 pointer drove people to shoot from distance so exclude all small ball 3 point deadeyes like curry and klay, that would gut the golden state warriors and make small ball nba a joke that means people like kyrie would have a harder time because while he can drive the 3 point arc pulls defenders out from under the rim so he can be the ankle breaking iso beast we all know and love losing the three point line would change the nba completely because suddenly a shot from distance doesnt mean as much and isnt worth the risk of a miss if theres not an extra point involved the nba would return to a slasher (LeBron and Westbrook) dominated league
There’s also a geometric reason for the relatively high percentage near the line. Defenders have to travel further, and that means it’s easier to get open space. There’s literally more space to cover out there, meaning even with the same level of effort it’d be more difficult to defend
Saw the title and figured you would recalculate warrior games to measure against their historic season.... Imean holy shit man your awesome. the entire fucking league!!! plus the playoffs and that 100+ attempts accuracy/volume graph at the end....your fuckin boss dude, answering questions ive wonderee myself. you deserve waaaaay more subs.
you were only supposed to cuss if you found a problem.
I just had the feeling he just likes cussing in general ;)
I agree -- it is so awesome that Jon took the time to do this
greenbay champ the Cavs shoot more threes than us
I don't watch sports.
I just like graphs.
You gotta love the graphs
Don't forget charts and stats as well. 😉.
Ahaha this is a crazy amount of work. And it was an incredible watch, thanks.
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Well, Angie must be pretty happy right about now
Nathan Davies yeah didn't age well
Whereas right about now Angie must realize how much the Bucks still suck lol
@@icecreamforcrowhurst I would have to imagine angie is feeling pretty good right now.
Go Angie
@@icecreamforcrowhurst suuuuuuuuuuuuure
oh my god...
I never realized... Curry is inhuman...
If only they had a three point line when Pistol Pete played.
Kyle Korver's percentage though! He is way too underrated to be shooting .492
Younus Bendame but that's all he does
Yams fair enough
There have been a lot of 3 specialists. Hes the best ever at what he does. He also set the record, while sharing with Klay who had the 3rd best 3pt season in history. Only to be topped by Steph twice. So.... yeah
Every single Jon Bois video makes me feel like I’m in the middle of Japan in 2007 and I feel like I’m inside of a Wii... it’s very nostalgic and I love it so much
That was actually a really great video.
better than Pretty Good? 👍
nope ive watche Koo Dae-Sung 4-5 times (partially just to watch Randy Johnson explode that bird :) )
Thats pretty good
Pretty, but not pretty good.
King Jay No it was a pretty good video
2016: Oh hey, Angie's a Bucks fan!
2 years later when Jon is rewatching this video: Oh crap
5 years later when the Bucks win the championship with a REALLY good 3 point shooting team: Aw Crabapples
Edit: How tf did this get so many likes? I mean thank you but how?
Willdawg 00 i was thinking the same thing
Lol I was thinking that to
Caden Norris haha me too. i saw that then went straight to the comment section
Had to check the date because that comment makes no sense the past two seasons
laughing in khris middleton
I am so sorry for your loss. You know, of hours of your life that you'll never get back. But!
But as of writing this, this video has 1,000 views and is 10 minutes long. Ergo, you have provided from this 10,000 minutes worth of entertainment, or 166 hours. Since it's got a dislike, let's call it 165 hours of successful fantastic work.
And the video's only been up for five hours!
Oh, what a difference 2 weeks can make!
THOSE 260 PEOPLE THAT DISLIKED THIS. . . HOW?
now it has 160toes more views
KARD132 because 1:15
....... *mind blown*
I love Chart Party! The voice-over, the music, the visual style... and of course, the actual content. I like to geek out on stats, and now I have someone to look up to. I think the 3pt is something great because it makes it possible for guys like Curry, who are not all that physical, to become game changing factors. Not better, not worse, but it makes it more fun when it's not the same old huge-guy-pushes-towards-the-rim. Nothing against that, it's just that the contrast makes it all shine brighter. Watching LeBron James and Steph Curry at once in the same universe is great. I say it's a keeper.
"Oh, hey, Angie's a Bucks fan!" I spit out my goddamn drink.
Emily Plays go bucks
I was thinking Grizzlies.
Clean it up
Shit, he just fears the deer
Pretty funny in hindsight, Bucks take heaps of em now.
How did you NOT give up half-way into producing the work for this video, my GOd I don't know how you did it. Great Stuff.
The 3 gives small players a chance
Kblayney mid range?
Kblayney
Isaiah Thomas can almost always push through to get the layup and he's 5'9"
Thomas can do that because defenders have to guard him at the 3-point line. Without the 3-pointer he would have absolutely zero chance to get to the rim because the defense would pack it in and always be in front of him. Proper offensive spacing and the threat of shooting a 3 allows guards to be a threat at the rim as well.
+HunterK that is because his team gives him hella screens lol they have plays specifically for Isaiah going into the paint
HunterK Isaiah Thomas has been traveling all year and it hasn't been noticed until lately...... that's why he can get in the paint
This is awesome. To come to the conclusion that the three point shot doesn’t really matter from this experiment is actually all the more reason to go for a shot that counts 1.5 times as much as a closer shot. Well done. So cool.
heres the thing....... the 3 pt shot is a crowd hyper, and can CHANGE the vibe in the arena weather ur home or away.... and u cant chart that.
for instance ur the away team and ur down 6...... thats 3 times down the court, but 2 back to back dagger 3's and tie game..... now the crowd isnt as strong and some players feed off of that. THATS why we need the 3 pt line... its just too bad some teams ONLY shoot 3's.
sure, but thats not the argument....
more to my point of being down 6, lets say there was 34secs left in the game..... two 3's back to back would take the home team out of it.....OR hype the shit out of the home team. then lets says OT hits, now the team that hit the 3's is hot even tho the score is tied. sure 3 dunks would do the same but in the 34secs scenario, its much less likely.
also if no 3's the warriors dont win 73 games only 59..... the crowd IS WHY they shot so many. they are also THE REASON for this exact video, because they shoot too many and some ppl like myself dont like it.
DR. SAVAGE wait, so you're saying that if there wasn't a 3 pt they would automatically lose nearly 20 more games? If what you are doing is taking their made 3s and making them 2s then that doesn't work because then you have to factor in their field goal percentages and most likely they wouldn't shoot from so far away if there was no need making their likelihood of making the shot go up. So say they were a 40% 3pt shooter but had a 80% FG that would technically mean if they were 2-4 from the 3pt changing that to 2pts would technically mean they would make an extra shot so they'd be 3-4. Another thing the Warriors aren't the team that leads the league in 3pt attempts they are actually 5th behind Houston, Cleveland, Boston, and Brooklyn in that order. And they are 3rd in % behind San Antonio and Cleveland tho they are tied on the season with Cleveland. But I made my point. And I agree with yours that the 3 is not boring nor does it make the game worse, I've always been a fan of basketball but rarely watched the regular season, but the past 2 years I watch every game that comes on tv (dependent on the teams) because generally I'm guaranteed some kind of excitement. (Especially with the recent game winners and game tying buzzer beaters)
3:11 haha it's a watermelon
I had to turn down the volume on that jazz at the end, people might think I'm watching softcore porn.
It’s genuinely amazing how long it took for people to realize that 33% from 3 produces the same amount of points as 50% from 2
You should have way more subs for the amount of work you put into these videos.
This was in my recommended every day for 10 days straight and I finally see why
I have zero opinion on NBA. I mean, absolute zero. THIS, however, I have a divisive opinion on. This video was fantastic. The concept and execution was top notch. The writing and narration, superb. Graphics and visuals are excellent. You made the content interesting and intriguing despite me having zero interest in it. Your deep research and efforts did not go unappreciated. I have subscribed and hope to see more of your work in the future.
except all of it is hogwash... but that is what happens when math people try to make sense of basketball.
noitall man Hahahaha hater. Make a better one
This deserves way more views for the amount of work you did... great vid
Haters gonna hate, but a star above the rest, is still a star above the rest.
Dude, your videos are so good!!! The writing is clear, polished, and entertaining, and the editing is simple yet unique. Most importantly, your ideas are just so damn fun! I've just discovered your series, and I'm so glad. Clear and intelligent sports commentary exists!
How did u even do this holy shit. This is so amazing. The chart at the end is crazy
Jonathan Stiles stfu
@@michaeljordan6239 why are you so mad
@@lebozojamessimp1610 he must be from Baltimore like me 😢
That thing with Steph at the end was amazing. Scary how dominant he is from the arc
Holy cow is that stephen curry season an outlier!
no it isn't its the same shooting percentage, he just had more opprotunities to shoot.
michael carandang it's an outlier because of how many he made regardless of whether or not his percentage changed
michael carandang it’s a massive outlier, what are you talking about?
.454 is well above average 3-point shooting, even before you factor in the sheer volume.
It might be an outlier but all I see is greatness
Needed to watch something like this tonight. Thanks so much Jon Bois, you’re a lifesaver and an inspiration to all us aspiring artist/sports stat nerds ❤️
I like threes because without them last minute upsets wouldn't be as common, and whenever someone does a half court or full court shot, it would be less likely to cause an upset
Silent Cougarr lmao im imagining someone shooting a ball 70 feet in hopes of scoring a game winning 2
@@bena9369 like Jerry West in the 1970 finals?
There is a college game from the 70s or 80s where a Virginia Tech player was credited with an 89 foot two pointer to win the game. However the replay showed his plant foot on the base line, so the shot should not have been scored. Officials did not review plays in those days.
Just implement NORTH KOREA'S BASKETBALL SCORING RULES
- Slam dunks are worth three points (up from two)
- Field goals in the final three minutes of the game are worth eight points (up from two)
- Three-pointers are worth four if the ball doesn't touch the rim
- A point is deducted for missed free throws
@@LeoAr37 the last 3min thing is bs but the others sound kind of fun. i mean, the 3pt dunk is a no for the NBA but I've got to assume NK basketball players are (local and) significantly shorter than NBA players generally are, so maybe it is that much more difficult to dunk vs. make a layup and thus reasonably worth the extra point.
When you realize John bois invented the Jimmy high roller, “and wait a second we are missing one… oh, there it is.”
That last graph blew my mind. Just announced I will be signing with the Warriors next season
"It took me a long time, but I did it. Because I'm bored." Spoken like a true nerd
Oh hey Jon, I watched your video and I have to say that I think it is pretty good.
Wrong series
crap
+John Storm Hey, that's pretty good!
Pretty good!
Bryan White oh, hey bryan. white, i saw your response to a comment and i have to say its pretty good.
I rarely ever comment, but this video needs its due praise. This analysis of the NBA 3 point line is brilliant; the subject matter is interesting, the commentary is witty, informative, and well-delivered, and the visuals are entertaining, insightful, and complementary to the subject material. Sir, you have gained a subscriber.
um... holy hell, did you use google earth to make these animations??
Wow! I was wondering how he did these! That seems to be how. Great observation.
yeah i happened to notice some weird copyright notices flashing at the bottom at some point. i guess you can load custom textures into google earth?? dunno
ha, yep! i tried to crop out the usage credits at the bottom that Google Earth thought i was using, but certain areas use multiple lines of credit so they creeped into the video a couple times
really awesome tho, a great "off-label" use for GE!
How do you custom google earth?
I would subscribe 1 million times if I could. Your work is worthy of more than just UA-cam. ESPN, SC, Heck! Even a non-sports station would be more than pleased with your graphic design skills and editing prowess. keep up with what you're doing, and I guaranteed you're channel(and success) will blow-up and to something even more amazing than it already is! keep up the great work!
The sentence "Thanks to guys like him, basketball is completely horrible and everything is ruined forever" alone deserves thumbs up. Great video yet again!
There needs to be an updated version of this. Even just a couple years ago 3’s were quite a bit less important than I would think they are now, but really their purpose is to space the floor properly.
Whilst arbitrary I think the shape of the 3 point line is pretty clever - can't bank shots off the glass from the corners, so bringing the distance in a bit makes it fairer to let people have a go at 3s around the court. Amazing video man 😃
"Because I'm bored, and because I love ya"
That's the moment I reached for the like button.
That last Steph Curry stat is insane. Congratulations on finishing this whole video, I can't even imagine how much work it took but we thank you in full!
Alternative title: Steph Curry is a god
Amazing how people can immediately hate on Steph's accomplishment without the basic understanding of what the stat means. He's the best, most consistent (aka best) 3pt shooter in league history.
I got chills at the end seeing Steph way up there. Insane. This was a really cool project.
2:06 Jon didn't know how bad it would become
This is an impressive artwork of craftmanship.
If you tried to do that star chart now, it would look like a seedy motel bed with a black light turned on.
3:16 correction: that red area is DeMar DeRozan Land.
This video was incredible. The music, the editing, the commentary... and of course, what an ending.
My 3rd fave jon bois video ever mainly cause of the reveal of that star on the last chart
Amazing
I don't follow any sport but these videos are always amazing, entertaining, and help me appreciate the outliers.
Watching this video for the fourth time makes me realize that I need a 2020 version of this video.
came here expecting an ok-ish informational video
but
man, you made me respect the effort you put into researching and scripting and doing all these graphics and shit even if they might be on the simpler side
Imagine the physicality if there wasn't a three point line? We would be back in the 90s and the center position would be relevant.
Bill Mitchell that would be incredibly boring
Flats incredibly boring? Lol the NBA is boring to watch now since they limited the center position .
Bill Mitchell such a naive argument when people say basketball is boring cause it's not physical. It was NEVER about that. Go watch football.
With no 3, and pretending this dudes reasearch was wrong(centers would matter more) then we'd watch a game slow as hell with twice as many fucking fouls
The game is more physical now than it's ever been. Jordan never got arm barred or hand checked as much as everyone says. There is much more of it today against shooters and point guards. Watch any good shooter run around screens and you'll see him get chucked and grabbed all game.
And to the original point, a center that can shoot 3s is probably the most valuable player in the league. It allows your offense to space out nicely and you also have the option to post up/kick out to the open man or just go up and dunk it. Centers will always be relevant. But the 3-pointer is the most valuable shot in basketball and centers have been slow to adapt until now.
These vids are awesome. I absolutely love the random kenny g saxing goin on from time to time! And the 80’s cheesey sitcom music the rest of the time!
If you play basketball you will understand why the three point line is important; smaller players, who would easily be blocked around the basket, can compensate for their lack of height by having the skill to shoot at a longer range. These shots, being harder to hit, must be worth a greater amount of points in order to make up for their comparatively low accuracy. TLDR; the three point line makes size less of an advantage to players, and thus increases the overall level of skill displayed in professional (and recreational basketball). + they allow for tense, high risk, high reward game winners to be taken, which are gripping to watch.
Lachlan Raidal your tldr is about the same length as your original post lol
Lachlan Raidal so midrange shots don't exist?
Lachlan Raidal .... So, in that case, why not make half-court shots worth 4-points. "High risk, high reward"... Right?
dudewT212 honestly that could be a great idea. especially with how good curry is from almost half court. ive seen bron do it too. and if buzzer beaters from half court were 4 points then that would be crazzzzy. but people don't usually take that risk unless its buzzer beater.
Lachlan Raidal your TLDR is the same length as the first half of your comment lol
Found this video almost 2 years later... and well done! This was fascinating to watch!
I don't even watch basketball but this was fascinating.
Bro you deserve way more credit for all this work you put it on replaying all these games omg
Awesome video. Huge fan of the chart party series.
What would happen if the NBA started valuing baskets based upon distance to the net? We could make farther shots worth more than closer shots but not 1.5 times more, like how it currently is (3pts is 1.5*2pts), which is too much. We should do a little study to determine some equation that values baskets as a function of distance to the net in a fair way so that the expected value of any shot from basically anywhere on the court is the same.
This way teams would be simply trying to take the most open shot from anywhere on the court, without having to worry about the drastic difference of value of a 3pt vs. 2pt shot.
5:36, I'm also bored and love you too Jon.
If the 3 point line is removed, defenses may adjust and sag down and the 40% all across the board may drop.
back to the 80-90s when you shoot 33% you a goo shooter, oh kids practice throwing up crap, to make shot now
That's correct. It's important to realize that a made three-point shot is worth 50% more points than a two-pointer, so those 33% and 34% success rates from the three-point line are equal to a 50% success rate from inside the arc. And, since the ONLY 50% spot is right under the basket, the three-pointer become the percentage play to maximize your score.
Take away the three-pointer, and the defense just focuses on stopping the easy shots from close in. Basketball becomes less a shooter's game, more a big man's game. With the defense no longer forced to spread out, the game becomes less interesting (in my opinion, anyway).
So the thing is, I actually enjoy your videos more than the sports you're covering! Stats should be boring but due to you they're not. Great job as always!
Can we point out that the 76ers went 9-71-2 in this scenario!? Holy fuck that's really really bad
As someone who decided to watch a video about a hypothetical world where 3 points don’t exist in a season that my team won the big thing in a sport I know nothing about instead of sleeping, I was not disappointed.
"Angie's a Bucks fan" yo the Bucks were so ass at 3s in 2015. I hope she's still a Bucks fan
Just for the crazy amount of work that mustve went into this, I'm subscribing
This is the video Jxmmy the goat NBA YTber got his style from. The OG goat Jon Bois.
This is the best video i've ever seen. Thank you and congratulations.
In the end where you showed Curry's last season I got goosebumps
0:09 - to wit: December 13, 1983. Detroit Pistons visiting the Denver Nuggets, in triple-OT Detroit beats Denver in the highest scoring game in NBA history, 186-184.
The two teams *combined* to shoot 2-for-4 from behind the arc: Isiah Thomas of Detroit took two 3s and made one of them, Dan Issel of Denver missed his only 3 attempt and Richard Anderson of the Nuggets made his only 3 shot. I haven't actually watched the entire game myself (it's on my to-do list), but it really wouldn't surprise me if most/all of those were buzzer-beater attempts.
savage with the bucks joke Jon
These videos are so informative and the graphics are so satisfying
as a bucks fan I wish there was no line
Hay Hay especially with giannis shooting
As a bulls fan, I agree
Bulls now got Levine and Markkanen!
Hayden Marshall aged well didn’t it
You wouldn’t be saying that now
The whole idea of taking away a 3 point shot is hilariously stupid, but this video is still great. Please keep making more videos like these.
Rip three point contest
THUG DOGE dunk contest would be fire dubking from the 23ft out wouldnt be a 3pt dunk
Here's the biggest flaw with this experiment in my opinion: all the shot data is still from the world where 3's count. I imagine if the three point line was gone, that teams would take more shots in no mans land instead, because its actually a higher percentage shot, its only because coaches and teams discourage mid range shooting that the percentages of attempts are low and the ones that are made there are highly contested do to being a strategical last resort ie shot clock nearing 0, no other chance to get rid of the ball etc...
Yooo that part about the bucks had me dying.
These are the best sports-related videos on youtube. Really too bad they seemed to have stopped.
hey Angie's a bucks fan, I'm a bucks fan and I'm hurt, even tho it's true
hello from the future, looks like the Bucks are pretty damn good now
History is what is missing from this simulation. The only reason why they shoot from far out was because of two things. One, it's one more point, and two, defense is barely a thing past that line (like you said from your statistics). Without it, most options would drastically change, since there isn't an incentive to shoot there anymore. Basketball would definitely just be a close quarters game to the rim, until eventually, they find out a way to shoot farther as an easier alternative in desperate situations.
If you watched this and didn't give it a thumbs up, you have no ability to say thank you for anything.
Very well made video! The analyzation and chart graphics were very well done 😃
That star chart with the 3-pointers really put Curry's amazing feat into perspective 🔥
boi who produced the music
The music.the stat lines. The voice. The narrative. It was just so good. Especially the end.
That Bucks joke aged poorly 😂
Thankfully... Fear The Deer!