SHOULD YOU RUSH THE RUINS? | Don't Starve Together Ruins Rushing Guide
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Welcome to another Don't Starve Together guide. Today I am pleased to present the first installment of a series of guides on rushing the ruins, a topic often discussed but seldom covered in detail. The ruins are one of the most dangerous areas in Don't Starve Together and an early game rush can prove massively beneficial to any player willing to make the dive. In this video I discuss what it means to rush the ruins and everything you can expect to gain from taking the risk.
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I know I said 50% in the guide but I can confirm that the Lvl 3 Shadow Rook will need at least 55% speed boost to dodge. This can be achieved with a walking cane and road. A mag + road will only give 50% and will not guarantee a dodge.
Well save shadow rook for last is not wise. If not mistaken best setting is always kill knight 1st then kill level 2 rook and save bishop for level 3.
For bishop you're gonna need a whole lot of armor because you'll take at least 3 hits per attack. Rook has more HP but an extra minute of fighting is worth it to me to save on healing/armor.
@h-dragon Overload adds 50%, so overload + cane is 75% extra speed which is plenty.
@@JazzysGames well there's also the option of using cheat codes in the form of wortox soul hopping
With Wendy you can also use abby to completely dodge a level 3 bishop
It's fancy and abby must not die before level 3
Wx-78 main players: i have decided that i want to *rush the ruins.*
You mean
I HAVE DECIDED THAT I WANT TO *RUSH THE RUINS.*
I have decided that i want to rush the ruins.
LMAO XDDD
No duh lol
@@dripdolphin3575 it do be like that
I once had ruins right next to my cave exit
which was right next to my surface base
Same lol but back then I didn't really know what it was even tho I spawned right next to the sacred biome
I.........'ve messed around with some world generation settings in the name of science and curiosity. Found some settings that practically guarantee that the ruins spawn near a sinkhole.
Try it yourself. For caves, set "Brances - Never" "Loops -Always".
My theory at the time was that - unlike in overworld- your entrances and "goals" are placed opposite each other in the seed, so creating a loop might smoosh them together like a snake eating it's tail. (Reasons for this thinking comes from how my favorite overworld seed is build - (Isands smooshed to mainland).
What I got instead was even better. It broke the generation completely.
Now, an arguement can be had for how much of an hike it is around the ring to the "lesser" biomes, but honestly, that hike is safe, while a ruins rush is short.
in any rpg your luck stat would be 700/5
edgy rick: okAy guyS iF yoU doNt maKe baSe in rUinS it meaNs yoU suCk.
*edgy rick dies as soon as he rushes ruins
laAaaGggG
if youre a veteran dont starve player it will always, always be the lag, or sometimes stupidity ahaha. One main factor ppl dont get about ricks guides are that they are purely based on efficiency. Fun is not accounted there, its about progress and skill, so yeah if you dont do it it does mean you suck, based on efficiency of course. But you could always do ruins whenever you want, being efficient and getting progress done means youre a pro but its fine to just play.
@@justinroy3769 I love Rick myself, he just gets salty when he or anyone makes a humanly mistake. He changed anyways, have you watched his new 2 videos?
That DST lag
@@justinroy3769 the thing about “efficiency instead of fun” though, is that he’s talking about a game. something intended to be fun. I’d rather have fun with friends while being crap at the game instead of stressing out about being the best.
@@jenn1214 well thats just a matter of taste. Some people find being efficient fun, mostly the sucessful types, and some dont. Also I dont remember this video but im assuming rick is playing solo so friends arent really a factor here. Another thing that i learned from people who prefer being efficient is that they want to get that crappy hard annoying shit stuff to do out of the way so that later on they can have fun doing anything and not worry about resources etc. basically sacrifice first have fun later a.k.a the sucessful people in life xD
If you can't find a totally normal tree, the forests usually have a lot of final stage trees around day three or four, that only take one hit with an ax to chop. You can usually get a treeguard to spawn with a single ax. Two if you're unlucky.
What a genuinely amazing tip I'm going to take that if you don't mind
Well, I'm not sure, but I do believe there is a biome in every word, which is a dark forest, with a road in it, and every time I saw it, there was always a totally normal tree just off the road
that might take too much time
@@dazoul5459 it's the biome with the moon stone
There is a guaranteed totally normal tree
@@a76329 I don't think it's always the moonstone, if I'm correct, it's sometimes the biome with the mandrakes. But, yes that's the one.
5:59 - Jazzy: You wont be able to get a walking cane until day 21
Me: *FINDS 2 WALKING CANES NEXT TO SOME DEAD SURVIVORS*
Superbiscit you’re lucky
Dead. Survivors. Lol
Some days ago i've started a new game and found one walking cane next to a body on my *first day*
wait wut
Me who rushed the ruins for the first time today and found a laxy explorer from a random statue that a rook destroyed.
P.S. On day 6
Gold is like food, is gone in a matter of days and nobody in the server know where it did go
into wigfrid helmets.
Please for the love of God can you please correct your grammar when you say these comments
It takes less than 10 seconds to fix your grammar after you notice a grammar error
@@colorsndread7922 fuck you his comment is hilarious
@@colorsndread7922 He speaks WOLFGANG-ish
"Should you rush the ruins"
Should my friends stop die every 5 minutes?
Yes, but will they?
Can relate .
About the nightmare fuel gathering, it’s much easier to just feed a willow player some green mushrooms, and give them a bunch of wood
what about if your playing solo
@@ritter3723 be Willow
@@navivan768 meanwhile: me about to rush the ruins as wurt just for the nightmare fuel: *am i a joke to you*
@@ritter3723 good luck
Easily the best guide you've made so far. Bravo Jazzy!
Also 1:55 cheeky cheeky.
High praise. Thank you sir.
Not as cheeky as a Twig
demonRebuilt i am one of your fans
@@JazzysGames I would love to watch this, but I like most people can't stand the background noise/music. Do you think you could upload a version without music?
i have 1070 hrs in DST but ive never been to the ruins 🙈 mostly because i never play wolfgang or other fighters and spend all of my time instead building pretty bases with Wicker lol. look forward to your guides maybe theyll give me to courage to finally go lmao
You want me to take you?
I've been in the ruins so many times it's like a casual trip to the store and I can show you what goes on
You can go to the ruins even if you're an average character
Hey if that's what you enjoy in this game, don't push yourself to hard to do something you don't enjoy!
Ruins really isn't that dangerous
I go to the ruins as Maxwell and do it well. It's just practice, so get to it :)
I can't do a WX playthrough without rushing ruins, its so easy and the rewards are incredible
Maxed stats by day 10.
I have never been to ruins
@@theorangeheadedfella me too
@@nguyenthanhtung9512 i was a ruins virgin too, but today me and my friends literally spent hours searching for them, and when all my friends died and i was at the brink of dying, I found the ruins. Im so happy i at least got to see the ruins.
The ruins are soooo useful, but they are also sooooo dangerous
I would totally like to watch you do a series with rushing the ruins and dealing with all those bosses you mentioned: ancient guardian, bee queen, klaus, dragonfly
@The Ancestor Bee Queen can be killed with Flyngo-flower method too, or making wood fences to avoid Grumble Bees. Anyway, there are several ways to kill these bosses, just choose the most viable for your situation.
For me, one of the biggest dissuasions is that ancient items can't be prototyped. Because of this, I'm always going to need to go back to the station anyway, so why rush for the crafting recipes? Rushing just means I'm more likely not to have the storage or resource for the crafting materials. I'd probably hit the Ruins for gears for ice boxes, head back up, prep a surface base and a cave base, and then come back to the ruins when i'm ready.
Edit: Forgot to mention a part of my logic here: Durability. If I craft an ancient piece of equipment, it will eventually break, anyhow, again bringing up the issue of needing to return to the station.
For Woodie players they can be a great asset to the team by mowing down hordes of shadow monkeys with moose. No need for a silly wilson for that beard hair, now you can get stacks of beard hair and nightmare fuel for your bernie army and effigee needs when life amulets are scarce.
Also wormwood is a decent candidate for rushing starcaller staff, bypassing the need to look for living wood.
Dwarf stars also have a massive positive sanity aura, useful for avoiding shadow creatures during a boss fight, otherwise great guide
Good video! I liked the summary you did.
I’m interested that you didn’t talk about one of the advantages of rushing the ruins: knowing how good they are. In my worlds I usually get to the ruins as soon as possible if only to see how they are generated. While it’s not essential, you will *always* have the ruins you had at day 1 into day 5000+. The amount of loot you get after the fuelweaver is determined by how they generated the first time, and there’s a significant difference in getting 1 8 ancient statue area vs having 3 of them. I don’t like basing in worlds with poor ruins, and being able to rush them means I won’t have to be worried about how they look when I probably do them during the summer.
As for personal nitpicks, I honestly don’t like the suit too much. While the armor is decent, the crown still posses the same armor to thule ratio of 210. This means that while you can technically can conserve a bit if you use a construction amulet, making a bunch of crowns will still offer similar protection to the suits, in addition to the force field immunity. In addition, you also can always wear a magi, which you normally can’t do with the suit.
I enjoyed the video at least. Was a good general review!
jazzy should make a video discussing if duping thulecite with green gems is worth it.
@@zaptrap4802 It's generally not worth it. The guide would be five seconds long.
I’m just going to rush my beefalo in the corner, lovely thoughts though
Thanks dad
hope the next guide gives a lot of usefull advices :D i dont know ,but sometimes i feel like some guides are lacking vital informations or are filtered ,because mostly experienced people doing ruins rushes
If it's Jazzy that's doing it i am sure it's going to be great
I've gone through the list of things you can get from a ruins rush and to be honest there's not much that I would want except for a star caller staff, which would be quite nice to have for night time boss fights, and perhaps a mag if I want an early shadow pieces fight. A thulecite club might be good for the speed boost. Nightmare fuel is nice for darkswords, but you can go insane and get it anywhere anytime. I don't really need the fancy armor(crown, suit) if I build a pig farm, the wires might be convenient but not really a must for gold, so are red/blue/purple gems, and gears you only need 1-2 for one base. So generally I don't feel the need for a ruins rush, it might be fun though.
I am able to rush the ruins but I don't really like it cause the ruins is really stressful.
I prefer to kill the dragonfly about the start of winter and it's not really necessary to have the thulecite gears to fight her. And to me, it's also not necessary to kill the raid bosses so early on.
I prefer going to the ruins at first summer (for avoiding overheat) and go back with the resources.
It all depends on your playstyle, mine is start the game exploring all the cave entrances to make Bunnyman Farm, kill Dragonfly before the first winter. I only pass through the ruins in the spring / summer.
Definitely better if you're playing in a group. Then 1 or 2 people explore the surface while 1 or 2 rush the ruins.
“It costs a lot of living logs and there not easy to come by” wormwood mains (laughs in infinite easy living logs)
Don't forget the free living logs from Bearger's deforestation
Yeah but if you're using Bearger for living logs you're not rushing them ruins no more.
9:09 regular don't starve players: No.
8:10 Dragonfly drops 1-2 of each gem of the game, and you can craft the Staffs using Green Amulet, saving these rare resourses. Whenever possible I kill her every 20 days to avoid generate dragon scales with the green staff and get lots of gems.
Maybe make a ruins rush tier list, it might be good for those people who are newish to ruins rush
I think the most forgiving ruins rusher in the game has to be Webber because all you need to do is find a desert biome and get some Cactus before you go down to the caves
Usually you're searching for living log so you can go down there and make a star staff so webber is very forgiving
But in the case of other notable picks, wicker makes it faster, and wolfgang makes clearing the ruins easier, and warly can make a special dish for a long lasting glow effect
To add on to what I said about Weber he can get lots of spider glands and fish sticks and monster meets incredibly early on depending on how good you are and how lucky you are, allowing him to be very tanky too
@@colorsndread7922 You forgot about WX-78, since He can heal and eat gears, so it makes ruins rushing easier
nah bruh it's all about W E S
You can literally tank everything as WX and you get to ignore food, sanity and healing preparation
Option 1:
If you are skilled rush the ruins for a powerful advantage early game.
Option 2:
Be everyone else and set up a base so you don’t die do to lack of food or any other materials
Hiecrashgeek Studios if I’m ruins rushing, I make a crockpot and icebox to rely on lichen and monster meat, and try to come out by day 15 but most of the time I make extra long autumn...
This was pushiled on April first, so I don't know if I can take is seriously.
Algol here, this is hilarious, I was just looking for ruins rush info. good timing my man. keep up your good work.
"couldn't help myslef" Is this The forshadowing for We know who XD?
now i realize how lucky i am for getting a walking cane on day 3 from a dead body
What I do is that I mostly play with 3 other dudes so two of us rush ruins while the other two sets up a base and goes through the map
The only thing I'll ever find in the ruins is death.
imma watch the whole channel, i NEED to ge tbetter at the game
btw thanks for the useful guides!!!!!
Deconstruction staff can net you almost infinite dragon scales
remember that the crown will still take damage while the force field it up. witch makes it less useful in my opinion. (though still super useful for conserving healing items)
I think more importantly than the damage reduction it guards against stunlock. Also the fact that you can wear it on your head grants a lot of benefit because you can still wear a backpack or mag.
"Trinkets"
Me a webber main: 👁️👄👁️
Should you rush the ruins?
Pros: of course, benefits are immense
95% of the players: just noobs like me, rushing ruins is a great way to die early)
I just recently started a world and there are no chess pieces so I am watching this after realizing it's day 30 and I have no refrigerator
My last attempt at the ruins. I heard the monkeys and that was it. I didn't know what the nightmare cycle was on so I didn't want to chance the shadow monkeys.
Football helmets don't last long, but had hambats
*cooks meat as wurt*
Yeah I said it. Every Day Use.
Dies. Dies. Dies. Dies. Dies.
To answer your question, no. I, specifically, should not rush the ruins.
hey where did our wx go?
wx: im just gonna go in the cave to map it out
20 days later.....
wx: im back fully upgraded, with 50 gears, 800 gold, and infinite nightmare fuel
1:55 it is tough. i like it ^_^
Here's the thing about ruins rushing, for me, at least- it's not much of a test. It's a component of my early gathering phase, and by far the most dangerous. When you get good enough at kiting and inventory management, rushing the ruins becomes this numbers game, where the only way you lose is if you don't prepare enough stuff beforehand. I never die to clockworks or nightmares or splumonkeys, but I'll die to starvation now and again when I'm trying to get the ruins portion over with so I can get my good equipment. Bosses in DST are the sort of endgame of fun for me, where most of what I'm doing is building up to my next big fight, and even without good loot, fun boss fights like Toadstool can be rewarding on their own. The ruins, though... eh.
You ever just look inside a Ruin Rusher's head and wonder "What are they thinking?"
1:45 it is a guarantee .
When is "how to rush the ruins" also you are my favorite dont starve youtuber love your content
I was clueless on what advantages ruins rush gave,you just gave a clear and straight to the point explanation,keep the great work man
I don't rush the ruins. I die before then.
I wish I rushed the ruins in early game play would’ve helped out a lot day 290 but I also with all those days I’ve leaned how to fight better I’m propally gonna do the ruins soon
Im the only one in my friend group that does stuff like this. My friend who is a wx main, he will do the dumbest things for something that could have been done easily
Revisiting this in 2023 as I still haven't made it back from a trip to the ruins 😂 So well explained!
I the trinkets are great n all for gold but just fishing up a bunch of eels and immediately bringing them to pig king is wayyyy easier and just as good if youre a Bab Player like me
Only rush the ruins if your a very aggressive player or seasoned in being in sticky situations cause it's dangerous down there if your a new player then dont bother with it just wait till summer either way the ruins are great
Only rush the ruins if your a seasoned DST player I see so many noobs rush the ruins just to be Mercked 😂
So basically the answer to "Should you rush the ruins?" is "Yes if you plan to kill klaus, beequeen, toadstool and fuel weaver all before the first winter ends" lol.
Head and body armour stack? Thought that wasn't the case in dst
Damage reduction doesn't stack in DST. Durability gets distributed though.
@@JazzysGames good to know, ty
I think imma make new world first and search the ruins there cuz my world is day 56 and I don't want to die
As a player with almost 200 hours in the game I've never found the ruins
Ey This is on my recommendation list
Thank you youtube!
Building farms early on is pointless imo(exept bunny and pig farms. they are very good as they grow exponentially and for making pigskin renewable. Also you get workers too). You can just pick up recources while exploring the map, even in winter, since the map is huge. Of course, picking grass and twigs form your base is more convenient, but it will take very long to even set it up, as fertilizer is not so common early game. If you explore and collect recourses, you do 2 productive things at the same time, if you build farms you just waste your time. Do as Jazzy says, spend your time gathering useful items, it doesnt mean you have to rush ruins. You can also prepare for bosses, unlock useful recipes, etc.
Will the new character be really good at the ruins?
I actually acquired a LARGE amount of marble just casually as I built up my base in my current world. I just would plant 18 marble seeds, and then keep the regular 18 marble with my other rocks in a chest. I accidentally harvested them AGAIN when I only wanted about a full stack, so I replanted 36 for future use. Hahaha
Please get armor and at least a pig bat so you dont have to craft spears
You forgot construction amulet and deconstruction staff. Although it would probably be harder to get your hands on this during a ruins rush, you should at least get construction amulets and deconstruction staves later, because they allow you to basically duplicate any resource that can be used to craft, such as thulecite. the only exception is gems. Thats because construction amulets allow you to craft items half price, and deconstruction staff allows you to get back all the materials used to craft an item, except it will give you back the normal amount not considering the construction amulet reduction. You can use it to recraft any item that has low durability, for example pan flute. Since theres a limited number of mandrakes you can just use the pan flute until its almost broken, then use deconstruction staff on it and craft another one.
Agreed, green staves are important and I like using them to dupe shroom skins and scales, as well as recover crafting items from pan flutes and lazy explorers. In a rush I'm not likely to grab too many of these unless I anticipate needing a construction amulet to craft weather pains.
It's extremely easy finding extremely normal tree in the extremely normal woods
So let's talk my dumby tactic
Plant about 20-25 pine cone and wait for growing to level 3 tree and go chopping tree guard will appear of it is there
I try but god damn man!
I'm getting chased by slurpers, monkeys, worms and nightmare creatures. I know I should I just cant seem to be able to lmao!
The ruins scare me and I'll probably never step foot in them. I have only about 120 hours of gameplay. I only use caves for lanterns and I've never been to the Lunar Islands :^/
I highly recommend to rush ruins if you are Wanda
Hey, I'm playing wormwood and already on 3rd Autumn and have never killed dragon or stepped much into ruins, I really get too afraid of the splumonkeys because they have ended my previous best world, the ruins is my next step but the next step is filled with barbed wire.
For me i always explore the overworld, make bunnyman, pigman and spider farm first for unlimited perogi lol.. Then go to ruin at spring / summer.. Since u dont really need ruin gear early to kill the seassonal boss anyway (deerclop, klaus, moose) and df can be dodge or tank since u have so many perogi lol
I unfortunately can't have caves my PC can't run them instead i use cave items mod which allows crafting all caves stuff, for gems i use more meteor drops but i would love to explore some ruins and caves at least i can do it in Regular Dont starve
I have a cave that has a few bat caves, a whole area of "lesser glow berries", at least 6 slurtle homes (which I got the slurtle armor), a whole monkey area inside broken thulites, and a few cave worms. I got moggles already, planning on exploring the ruins, even though I'm Maxwell.
I'd love to ruins rush in publics but lag prevents that :/
I've done it a few times. Not impossible but yeah, you wanna be more careful.
Yes it’s good and all but I’ve lost all of my good worlds in the ruins
Fully upgraded wx in your first year just from my luck of world gen I had 4 flingos 2 ice box’s and a fully upgraded wx
Personally I go for the ruins in summer because I don't have to deal with Antlion and overheatting until next summer when I am more prepared to go ruin hunting
It's nice getting an entire season to clear the ruins, that's for sure. I did that with Warly after killing BeeQueen and prepping a bunch of food for the season. Definitely simplified his personal maintenance.
6:00
In my current world I actually somehow found the walking cane near skeleton.
It's unreliable, but a probability nontheless.
Should you rush ruins? Hell no. I did it and was only able to get one thulecite crown. After 19 days in caves mind you
Was that your first time, because it sure sounds like it.
I didn’t mean to rush ruins but found the station near the start of a cave at day 4
I personally like to ask myself this question depending on which character I am,
This is my list and based on my experience on who should rush
Wolfgang,WX78,Wigfrid,Wortox should probably go
And the rest such as Wendy, willow, etc. It's a eh for me, because
They both have benefits on both sides, however for me, it's not a definite "win."
But again, this is my list so.... it really depends on how you play
Frosty The Snow Boi Wendy can be good at clearing monkeys but willow idk what she’s good at there...
This might be late but I just realised that wurt is great for ruins rushing! Since veggies fill her stomach more, she can actually just eat mushrooms! Infact, if she found the grotto, she would be set!
I mean, WX mains can just rush the ruins and get food, sanity and health for 13 days straight, just from eating gears and getting more health, sanity and hunger
figting ancient guardian is easy without any armor and speed boost you only need to find pillar near the edge of the world and hide behind it then you can fight ancient guarduan when he's glitched by the pillar
Yes. This is called the "cheese" method.
I keep dying to darkness or some weird mobs because I keep forgetting to make torch in time or put on log suit.... I am not rushing anything in this game :((((
It also depens if u are good enough to clear the ruins with the current gear
So I downloaded this on app store. Does reign of giant have ruins? I like wx78 a lot
Edgy Rick would stop watching this video in 1 second cause you Play as Wurt xD
I'll have one of my OP merm guards wipe my tears.
I've rush ruin on day 3-5 once I got a hambat, lantern, and a log armor. The hardest enemy in the ruin is clockwork bishop but if you have a bunch of clockwork rook then standing near a clockwork bishop while kiting can lead the rook to damage the bishop. Checkmate.
You rush the ruins with one log suit?
@@JazzysGames Yup, I mean you are gonna need room for thulcite armor and helmet.
When you rush the ruins, do you clear everything? Or just get your magic items and dip?
I'll do what I can. The loot is randomized so if I can't find what I'm looking for then I'll make what I can then leave. But the longer I can be in the ruins clearing, the more stuff I'll be able to bring back.
The frazzled wire thing is amazing bc in my world we have a pig king right by our base.
Wait mag with 20 percent waking cane with 25 percent and the club =55 percent!!!!!!
You can’t equip both the club and cane at the same time
Also, speed boosts are multiplicative, not additive. So a mag plus cane would be 50% speed boost.
The hardest part for me was not the actual ruins, the ruins hole is in a corner with a shit ton of spalagmites.
No but you still gonna do it anyway....
So where's the next guide about how to find the ruins and collect all the materials? :d
I still need to make it!
it usually takes me at least 18 days to even locate the ruins, i guess i'm very unlucky
You can theoretically obtain a lot more Living Logs by using a Construction Amulet to craft a Deconstruction Staff. Then use the Amulet to craft a Club. Deconstruct it to get the full amount, not the discounted amount. Rinse and repeat to get a lot of Clubs and Staffs!
"unlikely to get red hounds til summer" OH BUDDY tell that to my first run EVER where a friend and i stocked a great base with food and trees and resources only to have a hound attack with a red hound (which i didn't recognize) that burned our entire base down. first few days of winter.
Got my first Day 20 red hound ever, literally the day after posting this.