Try out CTRL, I absolutely love their products and I'm confident you will too. Get 10% off with code SHADOW drinkctrl.com/shadow #ad All orders using my code help support the channel! *Rankings in this video are based on the opinions of top players and extensive testing using each weapon. Also based on performance and potential for all PVP modes. Next up, go watch this video exposing all of the hidden exotic perks: ua-cam.com/video/GaO74GE0chw/v-deo.html
Cold Heart actually got a buff, where the damage ramp up transfers to multiple targets within a second. So against multiple people you just delete them and only need to ramp up on the first target. Makes it actually really viable for pvp imo
So sad that hierarchy of need is so bad. I really thought Bungie would give it a new secret effect once warmind cells went away since we only had it for 1 season with the secret interaction they could just update the secret perk so shooting any "construct" gives a larger ring. And they could use tangles or possibly fire sprites and void breaches. It's also just a cool looking bow so I want it to be good.
@@connormcateer7125 it's good on one build with warlock. That doesn't make it a good weapon. Delicate tomb has okay arc builds on all classes but that doesn't mean it's good.
yeah, it's SUCH an amazingly cool weapon, it's unfortunately just painful to use in its current form. Maybe next year when I make this video it will have been buffed!
@@x9x9x9x9x9 Apex predator is good at one thing in DPS. Just cause it fulfills one use well doesn’t make it a bad weapon. It’s a meta GM build for warlocks using it to refuel the arguably most important super in the game since it has the extra perk of giving a ton of super energy on kill. You can get a 2nd in your own well. Additionally it can work on multiple classes, it just pairs best with warlock bc it has a ton of synergies. Universal-ness doesn’t make a weapon good or not good. It’s Solar this season too, so it can give the radiant buff making it basically intrinsic anti barrier, so the only other bow possibly worth running (for warlock, the other classes still benefit from wish) is le monarque, and hierarchy is better suited for most synergies.
As an Ostio Striga fan, I agree with the original ranking on here, at least when in most Crucible games. However, it becomes a LOT of fun in Momentum Control.
One thing you forgot about Polaris Lance: It also causes your kill to explode if it was a precision kill. Situational, of course, but fun when enemies are stacking up. Also, good vs rift-camping warlocks
I agree with most of this list - But having Wishender in B-tier, in the current meta, is wild. Easily an S-tier weapon, one of the most oppressive weapons in the game in 3v3s, at least until its upcoming nerf in a few weeks. Having it in the same tier as Bad Juju is laughable.
i'd personally say coldheart is on the border of d tier if used correctly, the cold fusion perk is just a better target lock since it only needs hits and not headshots, and it was updated so the charge up to that effect is preserved for a few seconds after releasing the trigger, so you can tap fire it to preserve ammo kinda like div and the bubble, it's far from the best but e tier doesn't seem accurate, but that's just my thoughts on it and ultimately i have no say in it's placement
Shadow u have to try final warning again but hipfire... there is a learning curve to this sidearm and it's crazy if u get the hang of it. Just aim at the enemy till it locks, turn the corner or go behind cover, hip fire at the air, profit
@@ShadowDestiny2Idk if its “little reward”. Some of the best tracking in the game, multi targeting, synergy with strand, potential to instantly switch to a .27 ttk
@Blackarot. yes but you get the advantage of being behind cover. As I said, it's a learning curve but if you get the hang of it, you can mess gaurdians up because they don't expect it.
Revision Zero user here, one thing I tend to do with it is pair it with Knucklehead as it involves a lot of ADSing and the old foetracer perk makes it S tier tbh
I'm only here to see what I missed in the past 4 years. I quit Destiny in 2020. Renting DLC for 3-4 months for $40 wasn't worth it. Imma take note of all the weapons I didn't know were released (Annotations: *** = never released when I played; ^ = returning weapon never released when I played; ? = unsure): Delicate Tomb *** Hiearchy of Needs *** *_Drink CTRL_* (As a diabetic with bad eating habits, this would greatly help) Verglas Curve *** Divinity The 4th Horseman Dead Messenger *** Ex Diris *** Vexcalibur *** Wish-Keeper *** Buried Bloodline *** The Navigator *** Trinity Ghoul Symmetry Final Warning *** Wicked Implement *** Coldheart Lord of Wolves Cerberus+1 Edge of Titan *** Skyburner's Oath Ruinous Effigy *** Osteo Striga *** Izanagi's Burden Touch of Malice ^ Sweet Business Bastion Riskrunner Prometheus Lens Wavesplitter Eriana's Vow Mida Multi-Tool Polaris Lance Arbalest Ticuu's Divination Hard Light Rat King Monte Carlo The Manticore *** Tessellation *** Centrifuse *** Tommy's Matchbook *** Ager's Scepter *** Necrochasm ^ Witherhoard *** Jotunn Trespasser Graviton Lance Outbreak Perfected Telesto Lumina Malfeasance Wishender Dead Man's Tale Bad Juju Vigilance Wing Sturm Merciless Borealis The Huckleberry Fighting Lion Forerunner (the Halo magnum) *** Lorentz Driver *** Quicksilver Storm *** Suros Regime Devil's Ruin Revision Zero *** Jade Rabbit Collective Obligation *** Hawkmoon The Last Word Cryosthesia 77K *** Sunshot Vex Mythoclast ^ Crimson Traveler's Chosen *** No Time to Explain ^ Duality *** Cloudstrike *** Conditional Finality *** Ace of Spades Le Monarque The Chaperone Tarrabah *** Thorn
I love Malfeasance in both pve and pvp. And The Huckleberry in pvp and free roam pve. Both such great weapons and require little to no effort to pull off the perks to their glorious maximum effect.
Thank you! Great basis for anyone new walking into pvp or someone looking for a refresher. 🤜🤛 Lion not S Tier is a definetly a different perspective. 💪
You’re using the wish keeper wrong, the trap is meant to be set before hand. Expect where the enemy is gonna be and set the trap, they also will get disoriented from the sudden shift in hight
I would love it if you did a video like this on legendary weapons like 1 video on each class of weapon. This video was a massive help thank you so much.❤
Buried Bloodline actually slaps in PvP but it’s all about the situations you’re In… like sure if they’re moving around or floating not great… but mid range or steady long range can kill easily… 2 tap to the head provided they’re not being all shifty with their movement
Last Word in S Tier is crazy it should be A it’s not competing with the other weapons in the S Tier in on controller in this current smg meta using that gun makes you a daring guardian so I would strongly argue A Tier
I think S tier is fair considering it’s the only exotic hand cannon without a catalyst and still does amazing, and it’s one of the only weapons that’s made strictly for pvp
How can you say being S tier is crazy if you’d put it as a strong A tier? If you’re only moving the weapon up or down one tier, then the ranking is certainly in the ballpark…
@@TheHeadincharge well if we’re being honest outside of the hands a good PvP player that weapon is practically useless on controller, you need to know what your doing with that weapon to have it be efffective otherwise it’s outshined by practically every other exotic handcannon aside like Erriana’s Vow, I personally find the weapon easier to use with Knucklehead radar but if I’m not mistaken even in the video Shadow says it’s a weapon that’s needs help
@@raijinlmfao in the current meta we’re in I strongly disagree the weapon has to be used at close quarters so that eliminates it being effective again the most used weapons nowadays Smgs, it will lose to a shotgun anyday so the weapon is very much not usable in the type of engagement it’s designed to function in
I recently acquired Wish-Ender and it has now become my weapon of choice for PvP, especially Trials. The ability to see through walls is invaluable. I know my opponents are wondering how I consistently get those head shots when they come sneaking around the corner. Even if it doesn't kill them it scares them into backing off and playing defensively, so the other guys on my team can move in and finish them off.
agreeing with juice. No one is wondering, odds are when they see Wish Ender they are groaning in pain knowing someone is just running around with a 2 tap weapon with wallhacks. It trivializes most games and just makes it unfun for the people fighting it. But since there is no ban list or anything. Anything goes, so wallhacks it is.
Here's a little secret about malfeasance, it completely counters both roaming void titan and arc staff, even when they block the shots, they still explode, im risking this being discovered to be unintentional and patched out by saying this but hey if nore people get to enjoy my favourite guj, i'll risk that any day, also its amazing against unstoppables when you're trying to conserve ammo
Shadow respect your content and videos in general, but you have Final Warning wrong. You don't need to fully charge it, the hip fire can track around walls and barricades and its a weapon that can consistently kill supers. While it does have a learning curve to use, sticking it in E tier is doing it a disservice.
I LOVE doing this game where I guess which sponsor is for the video. I hear and recognize the transition from video to sponsor and pause before the sponsor is shown or seen. I guessed Factor for this video. Damn it.
I think Ace is overrated. It lacks a big deal gimmick and is a fundamental workhorse weapon, with its only notable weaknesses being poor handling, and being reliant on headshot kills for a good reload. That just doesn't stack up against a spread shotgun that can one shot you at slug range, or a stat monster of a hand cannon that can build a one shot that works against a super. Still my all time favorite weapon because of design, but functionally it's just a hand cannon with a small gimmick that reduces it range which is it's greatest strength in the first place
Great Video! I'm rearranging some of my PVP loadouts to include the S and SS tier weapons, but Graviton Lance will always remain in at least one loadout due to the disrespect it shows opponents that are sent tumbling when they are destroyed by it.
@@2011nphelpsis that why they just completely reworked the pvp sandbox, are creating multiple new maps, and created a dedicated team for it? took too long but they did it.
I've been using Crimson and thanks to that gun alone I've been hitting kill streaks that I never would have been able to otherwise. And yes before you say anything the last announcement Bungie made, crimson will be getting nerfed. but until then I will be grinning ear to ear with those clean 2 burst headshots
Huckleberry is my fav; Hunter, hates reloading, loves smg's, wears exotics that reload all weapons on a dodge, or gives 2 dodges (I lapsed but enjoy the videos). I and 5 others (all huntes) did pvp with ratking and extra dodge armor... we go some mean comments...
holy i didnt even know this vid was an HOUR long. i quit d2 like 2 years ago because i got bored, and wanted to see what to use when i come back, and i just watched, thought 15 ish minutes passed, and its been AN HOUR. great vid, i really liked it, and im kinda glad most of the exotics i liked for pvp are in A tier, since as a f2p i never got those SSS++ rank weapons
i left destiny before destiny 2 came out, back when thorn was an op monster and would 2 tap kill. i come back nearly 10 years into the games life and to my horror they buff the gun i escaped all those years ago 😭😭😭
Me: This exotic kinda sucks in PvP. Bungie: Don't worry, it gets better when you get the catalyst. Me: Great! How do I do that? Bungie: Kill people in PvP with it. Me: Motherf...
Conditional Finality the shotgun that got me to use shotguns in pvp...i hated using them until i got my hands on it...i call it the super shotgun of destiny 2 not only due to it being a sawed off double barrel but it works very very similar to the super shotgun from doom! it is currently my favorite exotic weapon and hasn't left the inventory of my hunter since getting it!
I think Sweet Business should be a bit higher, it's more of a support weapon. You can use it to completely shut down lanes because if someone peeks you they're dead. Still isn't great at high levels, but putting it below Eriana's is absolutely disrespectful.
Literally just watching the first clip kinda shows me what I already need to know. 1. Hipfire isn't meant to snipe 2. You literally didn't even try in the clip.
As much I respect you shadow, i strongly disagree with your trespasser rank. Trespasser is easily A tier. Not only does it feel amazing and kill really fast, it has 100% perfect hipfire accuracy.
Rat King in the tier list below Jotunn hurts my feelings. Great list though. Would live to see legendary weapons ranked too ( you could omit some, there are a metric ton of them).
the heirarchy of needs rating is problematic imo. its much better if you just tap the trigger and dont charge an arrow at all. you can just bombard that void pk titan with tracking projectiles and watch him suffer lol. anyways yeah, i find it fun.
Great video. I'm trying to improve with Lorentz, this thing is very hard to use nowadays, soo much flinch. But i'll keep trainning to turn it my main weapon.
Nice vid Shadow. I appreciate you putting out stuff like this & I aggreed with most of it, but....I have some notes: Hawkmoon not S-tier because it can be outclassed by legendary handcannons..Rose exists Last Word is outclassed by SMGs Sunshot...you mentioned all of the weaknesses so why is it S-tier? Crimson is used in comp all of the time NTTE is outclasses by any high impact pulse with headseeker (no higher than A-tier)
dead Messenger is WAY better when you use it with a Stasis Subclass. it destroys crystals like nothing, so the combo can be devastating. however, it does restrict it to the Stasis Subclass for it to be viable in PVP
oh also the exotic glaves you can use 3 extra charge mods and only have to hit 2 shots and it auto charges the last sliver over like 5 seconds of holding the gun
@@kyanmatena3948 mostly refering to pvp where while running around getting to a fight you can hold the glave and then have it only require one kill to fully charge in s short amount of time should have been clearer mb
Symetrie in PVP is actually quite strong 2 reasons. one you are not permitted to use alt fire mode all the time which gives you slower autoaim shots that also deal a bit of aoe damage. as it is not very common used it is quite efficient on long range encounters as people often missjudge how it functions. However its drawback is that the slow fire mode in close combat is extremly bad to use. Overall I would say C-Tier in PVP even it can reach a solid b tier with the right builds
I just got conditional finality to drop this past weekend and MAN, it slaps so hard. Im a mainly pve player and i absolutely love how it feels so i know ill love it in pvp as well. Heres praying they dont nerf it at all dur to pvp dominance 😭
I love Cryosythesia 77k I’m working on the catalyst but somehow I’ve encountered people who were immune to my charge shot and didn’t freeze to a direct hit in crucible
The only one I completely disagree with is coldheart. The intrinsic trait is literally just target lock. Which every play who’s is half decent uses on their smgs. I think it should be ranked higher
I mean... The man said Wish-Keeper was bad because "It has Draw-Time" after showing it having nigh instantaneous Draw Speed after a Suspend with a 1-Tap to the the Body and because the direct hit with the Suspending TRAP ARROW dealt 6 damage... That's NOT how you use the Trap Arrow... You fire the trap arrow at an enemy behind cover and then push them because, when using Foe Tracers, you can ONE TO THE BODY THEM.... I think there are going to be a few exotics one could completely disagree with him on.
Its weird seeing sweet business in D tier after going flawless a few times with it. What i like to do is ramp it up before taking a gunfight because it can reload instantly. I've won a fair share of 1v3s in trials because of it.
I love Vergales Curve in PvP, as well as skyburners. I also destroy with Ruinous Effigy, It makes people so mad. Use Ruinous with Astrocyte Verse and a nice handcannon and you destroy.
good video, but I feel like you're giving a bit too much credit to some of the higher tier weapons especially, other than cryosethia. cryo is criminally underrated and im glad someones giving it the credit it deserves. but like is tarrabah really considered overpowered and broken? and do merciless, borealis, and quicksilver storm really dominate? personally i almost never see any of those A-tier weapons i listed, and if I do, they arent very good. In most cases, there are legendary weapons that are just straight up better, and even though this is an exotic tier list, I don't think they should be ranked that high if there's just a better weapon that doesn't take up the exotic slot
Osteo is easily a B tier exotic. The poison ticks is the only thing holding it down imo the projectile travel is a skill, bc if you pre shot, you can easily kill any guardian.
Try out CTRL, I absolutely love their products and I'm confident you will too. Get 10% off with code SHADOW drinkctrl.com/shadow #ad
All orders using my code help support the channel!
*Rankings in this video are based on the opinions of top players and extensive testing using each weapon. Also based on performance and potential for all PVP modes.
Next up, go watch this video exposing all of the hidden exotic perks: ua-cam.com/video/GaO74GE0chw/v-deo.html
I would rank necrochasm highers. I use it ALOT it's pretty damn good
Can you add a chart of all the exotic weapons from f tier to s tier, it will be easier to view and understand
Am I the only one who would say that rat king belongs in. s tear especially on a invid hunter build
Cold Heart actually got a buff, where the damage ramp up transfers to multiple targets within a second. So against multiple people you just delete them and only need to ramp up on the first target. Makes it actually really viable for pvp imo
So sad that hierarchy of need is so bad. I really thought Bungie would give it a new secret effect once warmind cells went away since we only had it for 1 season with the secret interaction they could just update the secret perk so shooting any "construct" gives a larger ring. And they could use tangles or possibly fire sprites and void breaches. It's also just a cool looking bow so I want it to be good.
It is actually very good in PVE, especially paired with solar warlock.
@@connormcateer7125 it's good on one build with warlock. That doesn't make it a good weapon. Delicate tomb has okay arc builds on all classes but that doesn't mean it's good.
yeah, it's SUCH an amazingly cool weapon, it's unfortunately just painful to use in its current form. Maybe next year when I make this video it will have been buffed!
@@x9x9x9x9x9 Apex predator is good at one thing in DPS. Just cause it fulfills one use well doesn’t make it a bad weapon. It’s a meta GM build for warlocks using it to refuel the arguably most important super in the game since it has the extra perk of giving a ton of super energy on kill. You can get a 2nd in your own well. Additionally it can work on multiple classes, it just pairs best with warlock bc it has a ton of synergies. Universal-ness doesn’t make a weapon good or not good. It’s Solar this season too, so it can give the radiant buff making it basically intrinsic anti barrier, so the only other bow possibly worth running (for warlock, the other classes still benefit from wish) is le monarque, and hierarchy is better suited for most synergies.
@@connormcateer7125 Sister. No.
As an Ostio Striga fan, I agree with the original ranking on here, at least when in most Crucible games. However, it becomes a LOT of fun in Momentum Control.
One thing you forgot about Polaris Lance: It also causes your kill to explode if it was a precision kill. Situational, of course, but fun when enemies are stacking up. Also, good vs rift-camping warlocks
I agree with most of this list - But having Wishender in B-tier, in the current meta, is wild. Easily an S-tier weapon, one of the most oppressive weapons in the game in 3v3s, at least until its upcoming nerf in a few weeks. Having it in the same tier as Bad Juju is laughable.
Its B tier now after rework
i'd personally say coldheart is on the border of d tier if used correctly, the cold fusion perk is just a better target lock since it only needs hits and not headshots, and it was updated so the charge up to that effect is preserved for a few seconds after releasing the trigger, so you can tap fire it to preserve ammo kinda like div and the bubble, it's far from the best but e tier doesn't seem accurate, but that's just my thoughts on it and ultimately i have no say in it's placement
Target lock doesn't need headshots though....
This list basically reminds me that all my favorite weapons will never be nerfed.
exactly what i thought, until you remember that stuff like Wishkeeper is getting absolutely gutted because of other bows being good
@@kyanmatena3948idk about gutted it’s still quite good but free wall hacks is a bit absurd
Shadow u have to try final warning again but hipfire... there is a learning curve to this sidearm and it's crazy if u get the hang of it. Just aim at the enemy till it locks, turn the corner or go behind cover, hip fire at the air, profit
Too much setup for too little reward. It’s not a good exotic
@@ShadowDestiny2Idk if its “little reward”. Some of the best tracking in the game, multi targeting, synergy with strand, potential to instantly switch to a .27 ttk
@@electrogamer7325 devils fills a similar role and is much easier $ consistent
@@electrogamer7325a 0.27 ttk after a 1 second charge time is a 1.27ttk which is terrible
@Blackarot. yes but you get the advantage of being behind cover.
As I said, it's a learning curve but if you get the hang of it, you can mess gaurdians up because they don't expect it.
We need PVE lists bro😢
That list isnt viable anymore
Revision Zero user here, one thing I tend to do with it is pair it with Knucklehead as it involves a lot of ADSing and the old foetracer perk makes it S tier tbh
I'm only here to see what I missed in the past 4 years. I quit Destiny in 2020. Renting DLC for 3-4 months for $40 wasn't worth it. Imma take note of all the weapons I didn't know were released (Annotations: *** = never released when I played; ^ = returning weapon never released when I played; ? = unsure):
Delicate Tomb ***
Hiearchy of Needs ***
*_Drink CTRL_* (As a diabetic with bad eating habits, this would greatly help)
Verglas Curve ***
Divinity
The 4th Horseman
Dead Messenger ***
Ex Diris ***
Vexcalibur ***
Wish-Keeper ***
Buried Bloodline ***
The Navigator ***
Trinity Ghoul
Symmetry
Final Warning ***
Wicked Implement ***
Coldheart
Lord of Wolves
Cerberus+1
Edge of Titan ***
Skyburner's Oath
Ruinous Effigy ***
Osteo Striga ***
Izanagi's Burden
Touch of Malice ^
Sweet Business
Bastion
Riskrunner
Prometheus Lens
Wavesplitter
Eriana's Vow
Mida Multi-Tool
Polaris Lance
Arbalest
Ticuu's Divination
Hard Light
Rat King
Monte Carlo
The Manticore ***
Tessellation ***
Centrifuse ***
Tommy's Matchbook ***
Ager's Scepter ***
Necrochasm ^
Witherhoard ***
Jotunn
Trespasser
Graviton Lance
Outbreak Perfected
Telesto
Lumina
Malfeasance
Wishender
Dead Man's Tale
Bad Juju
Vigilance Wing
Sturm
Merciless
Borealis
The Huckleberry
Fighting Lion
Forerunner (the Halo magnum) ***
Lorentz Driver ***
Quicksilver Storm ***
Suros Regime
Devil's Ruin
Revision Zero ***
Jade Rabbit
Collective Obligation ***
Hawkmoon
The Last Word
Cryosthesia 77K ***
Sunshot
Vex Mythoclast ^
Crimson
Traveler's Chosen ***
No Time to Explain ^
Duality ***
Cloudstrike ***
Conditional Finality ***
Ace of Spades
Le Monarque
The Chaperone
Tarrabah ***
Thorn
Helped a classmates of mine get his heads hots for Lunas Howl by using div. It was a great time lol 😂
Symmetry should definetly be higher on this list. The best use for it is mid-range flinching your targets.
Honestly I think it should be there
I'm sure symmetry is meant to be used aggressively.
I love Malfeasance in both pve and pvp. And The Huckleberry in pvp and free roam pve. Both such great weapons and require little to no effort to pull off the perks to their glorious maximum effect.
Thank you! Great basis for anyone new walking into pvp or someone looking for a refresher. 🤜🤛 Lion not S Tier is a definetly a different perspective. 💪
Nobody cares about pvp
@@reggielacey2235 i came here for pvp reasons 🙄 sounds like u just had a bad day 🤷
Yeah but that's what a lot of people still play because sadly the gaming industry forgot how to make decent games. @@reggielacey2235
I think i liked how you proposed the AD the most, probably the best AD ive seen from a content creator
Thanks
@@ShadowDestiny2 you’re very welcome
Wish Ender at B tier is wild. Easily an S-tier weapon or the very least A-tier. Free wall hacks + team shot potential for a 2tap
You’re using the wish keeper wrong, the trap is meant to be set before hand. Expect where the enemy is gonna be and set the trap, they also will get disoriented from the sudden shift in hight
For the homing bullets with final warning U MUST HIP FIRE THE WHOLE CHARGING PROCESS AND STAY IN HIP FIRE WHILE FIRING
You don't have to hip fire the whole time. You can switch between firing mode while it's firing :/
Final warning is S tier. You’ll all see soon enough
How did this age after the catalyst?
Realest comment ever tbh
he had the vision 😭😭😭
Izanagi's is my favorite sniper by far. Idk why, but it feels great to use
Love the content shadow! Do you think you could do this but for pve as well? Keep it up❤
I made it to the end and can't thank you enough. I have a lot of weapons to pull out of the vault to play with.
thanks for watching!
I would love it if you did a video like this on legendary weapons like 1 video on each class of weapon. This video was a massive help thank you so much.❤
I will make that video! Thanks
@@ShadowDestiny2 awesomeness thanks i appriate it
Buried Bloodline actually slaps in PvP but it’s all about the situations you’re In… like sure if they’re moving around or floating not great… but mid range or steady long range can kill easily… 2 tap to the head provided they’re not being all shifty with their movement
Yeah Cold Heart is actually really good now. And fun.
feels illegal to be this early - great content as always, keep up the good work Shadow!
thank you
Except he's biased
Last Word in S Tier is crazy it should be A it’s not competing with the other weapons in the S Tier in on controller in this current smg meta using that gun makes you a daring guardian so I would strongly argue A Tier
I think S tier is fair considering it’s the only exotic hand cannon without a catalyst and still does amazing, and it’s one of the only weapons that’s made strictly for pvp
How can you say being S tier is crazy if you’d put it as a strong A tier? If you’re only moving the weapon up or down one tier, then the ranking is certainly in the ballpark…
@@TheHeadincharge well if we’re being honest outside of the hands a good PvP player that weapon is practically useless on controller, you need to know what your doing with that weapon to have it be efffective otherwise it’s outshined by practically every other exotic handcannon aside like Erriana’s Vow, I personally find the weapon easier to use with Knucklehead radar but if I’m not mistaken even in the video Shadow says it’s a weapon that’s needs help
@@raijinlmfao in the current meta we’re in I strongly disagree the weapon has to be used at close quarters so that eliminates it being effective again the most used weapons nowadays Smgs, it will lose to a shotgun anyday so the weapon is very much not usable in the type of engagement it’s designed to function in
I use a verglas curve build in pvp and it is possible the best thing I've ever tried.
Divinity at F is so insane, it’s easily one of the best raid exotics
I feel like this list is definitly how good the weapon is exclusively in pvp sadly
It's a pvp tierlist?????
Yooooo! Video idea, can you pleaseee rank legendaries for trials and comp pvp :)
Cold heart did get buffed so you now have a second after leaving the target to keep the damage and it still increases as well
Id love to see you go back and do a list for Destiny 1
Sounds very fun, but I’m not sure it would get the views unfortunately 😂
@@ShadowDestiny2 pwease? For me?
🥺
👉👈
@@ShadowDestiny2 Really though, I understand where you're coming from.
Im not a pvp main but this was very informative. Thanks for the input.
We need some “360 no scope 50m drop headshot” compilation 😆
From seeing Wallahs video on coldheart, its probably better than the other exotic traces rifles in 6v6 modes
I recently acquired Wish-Ender and it has now become my weapon of choice for PvP, especially Trials. The ability to see through walls is invaluable. I know my opponents are wondering how I consistently get those head shots when they come sneaking around the corner. Even if it doesn't kill them it scares them into backing off and playing defensively, so the other guys on my team can move in and finish them off.
Chances are they’re not wondering lol.
agreeing with juice. No one is wondering, odds are when they see Wish Ender they are groaning in pain knowing someone is just running around with a 2 tap weapon with wallhacks.
It trivializes most games and just makes it unfun for the people fighting it. But since there is no ban list or anything. Anything goes, so wallhacks it is.
Cold heart actually melts if you use it right. You need to use mask of bakaris and tap fire it and the thing melts. 👍🏼 ide put in at least C tier
Lowkey, i know its not a heavy weapon ranking, but salvation’s grip is so much fun and kinda good
Here's a little secret about malfeasance, it completely counters both roaming void titan and arc staff, even when they block the shots, they still explode, im risking this being discovered to be unintentional and patched out by saying this but hey if nore people get to enjoy my favourite guj, i'll risk that any day, also its amazing against unstoppables when you're trying to conserve ammo
Also warlocks in rifts or wells still get instant killed by the debuff malpheasece gives
Shadow respect your content and videos in general, but you have Final Warning wrong. You don't need to fully charge it, the hip fire can track around walls and barricades and its a weapon that can consistently kill supers. While it does have a learning curve to use, sticking it in E tier is doing it a disservice.
I’d suggest that Wishender is better than a B-tier given how common it is in Trials.
I LOVE doing this game where I guess which sponsor is for the video. I hear and recognize the transition from video to sponsor and pause before the sponsor is shown or seen. I guessed Factor for this video. Damn it.
I think Ace is overrated. It lacks a big deal gimmick and is a fundamental workhorse weapon, with its only notable weaknesses being poor handling, and being reliant on headshot kills for a good reload. That just doesn't stack up against a spread shotgun that can one shot you at slug range, or a stat monster of a hand cannon that can build a one shot that works against a super. Still my all time favorite weapon because of design, but functionally it's just a hand cannon with a small gimmick that reduces it range which is it's greatest strength in the first place
Great Video! I'm rearranging some of my PVP loadouts to include the S and SS tier weapons, but Graviton Lance will always remain in at least one loadout due to the disrespect it shows opponents that are sent tumbling when they are destroyed by it.
The fact that shadow mixes up horizontal and vertical is SO frustrating!
sponsor in f tier is so accurate
Pvp? 😒😒😒😒
PVE! PVE!!
@PopularNobody no one cares about pvp, even bungie doesn't care about pvp lol
@@2011nphelpsis that why they just completely reworked the pvp sandbox, are creating multiple new maps, and created a dedicated team for it? took too long but they did it.
Cry about it 😎💯
@@2011nphelps Hunters care about PvP. They care about it way too much.
I've been using Crimson and thanks to that gun alone I've been hitting kill streaks that I never would have been able to otherwise. And yes before you say anything the last announcement Bungie made, crimson will be getting nerfed. but until then I will be grinning ear to ear with those clean 2 burst headshots
My go to pvp exotic is sunshot
Huckleberry is my fav; Hunter, hates reloading, loves smg's, wears exotics that reload all weapons on a dodge, or gives 2 dodges (I lapsed but enjoy the videos). I and 5 others (all huntes) did pvp with ratking and extra dodge armor... we go some mean comments...
Something you forgot to mention about Huckleberry: it has the original version of rampage, not the updated weaker one.
Close to 800 pvp kills with ticcu after only 2 months using it, very fun and slept on
Heirarchy of needs, needs to either trigger scorch per hit or ignitions on kills. It really just feels like Ticuu's little brother atm
holy i didnt even know this vid was an HOUR long. i quit d2 like 2 years ago because i got bored, and wanted to see what to use when i come back, and i just watched, thought 15 ish minutes passed, and its been AN HOUR. great vid, i really liked it, and im kinda glad most of the exotics i liked for pvp are in A tier, since as a f2p i never got those SSS++ rank weapons
i left destiny before destiny 2 came out, back when thorn was an op monster and would 2 tap kill. i come back nearly 10 years into the games life and to my horror they buff the gun i escaped all those years ago 😭😭😭
Me: This exotic kinda sucks in PvP.
Bungie: Don't worry, it gets better when you get the catalyst.
Me: Great! How do I do that?
Bungie: Kill people in PvP with it.
Me: Motherf...
Delicate Tomb on an Arc Warlock is a ad clearing machine
Conditional Finality the shotgun that got me to use shotguns in pvp...i hated using them until i got my hands on it...i call it the super shotgun of destiny 2 not only due to it being a sawed off double barrel but it works very very similar to the super shotgun from doom! it is currently my favorite exotic weapon and hasn't left the inventory of my hunter since getting it!
I think Sweet Business should be a bit higher, it's more of a support weapon. You can use it to completely shut down lanes because if someone peeks you they're dead. Still isn't great at high levels, but putting it below Eriana's is absolutely disrespectful.
Literally just watching the first clip kinda shows me what I already need to know. 1. Hipfire isn't meant to snipe 2. You literally didn't even try in the clip.
As much I respect you shadow, i strongly disagree with your trespasser rank. Trespasser is easily A tier. Not only does it feel amazing and kill really fast, it has 100% perfect hipfire accuracy.
LETS GOOOOO
edit: alright after watching the entire video i can say its a certified banger (as per usual)
appreciate you vohvo!
Rat King in the tier list below Jotunn hurts my feelings. Great list though. Would live to see legendary weapons ranked too ( you could omit some, there are a metric ton of them).
this list is extremely opinionated by this guy. rat king is a significantly better option to take to the crucible
*casually sips tea with almost 1k pvp kills on divinity*
Thanks!
the heirarchy of needs rating is problematic imo. its much better if you just tap the trigger and dont charge an arrow at all. you can just bombard that void pk titan with tracking projectiles and watch him suffer lol. anyways yeah, i find it fun.
.. the projectiles deal like 2 damage though? You’d just be tickling them, doesn’t sound like a good strategy 🤣
Great video. I'm trying to improve with Lorentz, this thing is very hard to use nowadays, soo much flinch. But i'll keep trainning to turn it my main weapon.
Nice vid Shadow. I appreciate you putting out stuff like this & I aggreed with most of it, but....I have some notes: Hawkmoon not S-tier because it can be outclassed by legendary handcannons..Rose exists
Last Word is outclassed by SMGs
Sunshot...you mentioned all of the weaknesses so why is it S-tier?
Crimson is used in comp all of the time
NTTE is outclasses by any high impact pulse with headseeker (no higher than A-tier)
dead Messenger is WAY better when you use it with a Stasis Subclass. it destroys crystals like nothing, so the combo can be devastating. however, it does restrict it to the Stasis Subclass for it to be viable in PVP
so no one saw how clean that transition was at 40:00?
Vigilance Wing over Centrifuse is wild😂😂 Thanks for the video man👍
I swear I'm single-handedly making Cerberus+1 into a meta wep. Top score in most games if played to its strengths.
Hey shadow, in your opinion, with the health changes and ammo changes, do you still think this is accurate?
Yes
Thank you for making a pvp video. It doesnt get as much love as pve, but its still my favorite mode.
oh also the exotic glaves you can use 3 extra charge mods and only have to hit 2 shots and it auto charges the last sliver over like 5 seconds of holding the gun
did they change it then? i thought with 3 charge mods it gave (roughly) 34% per hit so you could fully charge it in 3
@@kyanmatena3948 mostly refering to pvp where while running around getting to a fight you can hold the glave and then have it only require one kill to fully charge in s short amount of time should have been clearer mb
Delicate tomb with fallen sunstar is SO GOOD in high level content, used it in grand masters and it SHREDS
17:23 Arctum war wig+sweet business=Destruction
ToM is very good vs well as the blight 1 shots. Also, yes, Devil's ruin has around a .3 ttk and pierces hunter arcstaff block
i might have a crazy request...
how about you make a tierlist(or top 50) for every sunsetted pve and pvp weapon
Hmm I just did something similar on my main channel, it’s not a tier list but it covers many sunset weapons
If viability for 3v3 modes is a factor, then it feels like Vex Myth and Fighting Lion should switch places
Remember how good Lord Of Wolves was on Forsaken launch?
Symetrie in PVP is actually quite strong 2 reasons. one you are not permitted to use alt fire mode all the time which gives you slower autoaim shots that also deal a bit of aoe damage. as it is not very common used it is quite efficient on long range encounters as people often missjudge how it functions. However its drawback is that the slow fire mode in close combat is extremly bad to use.
Overall I would say C-Tier in PVP even it can reach a solid b tier with the right builds
I just got conditional finality to drop this past weekend and MAN, it slaps so hard. Im a mainly pve player and i absolutely love how it feels so i know ill love it in pvp as well. Heres praying they dont nerf it at all dur to pvp dominance 😭
Hey I would like to let you know your miss using final warning the point of the gun to make it way better is by hipfiring
"Lorentz Driver"
*FLASHBACKS*
*BURN IT WITH FIRE*
I love Cryosythesia 77k I’m working on the catalyst but somehow I’ve encountered people who were immune to my charge shot and didn’t freeze to a direct hit in crucible
It’s kinda luck based it seems
The only one I completely disagree with is coldheart. The intrinsic trait is literally just target lock. Which every play who’s is half decent uses on their smgs. I think it should be ranked higher
I mean... The man said Wish-Keeper was bad because "It has Draw-Time" after showing it having nigh instantaneous Draw Speed after a Suspend with a 1-Tap to the the Body and because the direct hit with the Suspending TRAP ARROW dealt 6 damage... That's NOT how you use the Trap Arrow... You fire the trap arrow at an enemy behind cover and then push them because, when using Foe Tracers, you can ONE TO THE BODY THEM.... I think there are going to be a few exotics one could completely disagree with him on.
Just got to say Coldheart got a rework as of a while ago and work amazingly in PvP
CRYOTHESIA MENTIONED RAAAAAHHH🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🧊🧊🧊🧊
Its weird seeing sweet business in D tier after going flawless a few times with it. What i like to do is ramp it up before taking a gunfight because it can reload instantly. I've won a fair share of 1v3s in trials because of it.
The div bubble is massivly outclassed by destiny twos networking
I love Vergales Curve in PvP, as well as skyburners. I also destroy with Ruinous Effigy, It makes people so mad. Use Ruinous with Astrocyte Verse and a nice handcannon and you destroy.
good video, but I feel like you're giving a bit too much credit to some of the higher tier weapons especially, other than cryosethia. cryo is criminally underrated and im glad someones giving it the credit it deserves. but like is tarrabah really considered overpowered and broken? and do merciless, borealis, and quicksilver storm really dominate? personally i almost never see any of those A-tier weapons i listed, and if I do, they arent very good. In most cases, there are legendary weapons that are just straight up better, and even though this is an exotic tier list, I don't think they should be ranked that high if there's just a better weapon that doesn't take up the exotic slot
Osteo is easily a B tier exotic. The poison ticks is the only thing holding it down imo the projectile travel is a skill, bc if you pre shot, you can easily kill any guardian.
Sweet Business + Actium War Rig my beloved
Next rank every exotic catalyst
i was here watching this
All exotic bows should activate the hipfire ability every time