Tim Russ, in that moment where he breaks the Tuvok mask and reveals himself to be Chuvok, delivers just about the most delightful bit of corner-of-the-mouth villain acting ever.
I'm 100% here for a Captain Seven of the Starship Enterprise G show. I can just imagine Voyager characters popping up, like intense debates with Janeway with a dash of the mother-daughter dynamic that they always have, funny moments with the Doctor, shared understandings with Tuvok, etc. And of course also characters from TNG and DS9, as there is a shared timeline.
For me the most heartbreaking part of Icheb’s story is that he is being practically torn apart as they search for his cortical node… which he doesn’t have because he gave his to Seven.
It was the worst fate for one of the nicest, aspiring and underused characters of Voyager. If they were going for shock value they really hit the nail on the head... with a photon torpedo. It really knocked me for six, I kept thinking that 'oh, Seven is here in the nick of time, she has saved him, well done!'. Then BLAM! She had to put him out of his misery. Even at the very end of the episode I thought they were going to bring him back somehow. Yep, that hit me hard.
@@beef0678 they used him as a reverse -refriderator. the writers on that one were clearly angry feminist that think all male writers pull the refridgerated girlfrield trope , so they reversed it for "equality".
Seven has grown so much over the decades, and she has become a beacon of hope and inspiration for all of us who has struggled with our own lives. You can do great things.
I want the spin-off show, if for no other reason than to enshrine Jeri Ryan's version of "Space -- the final frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise. Her ongoing mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations. To boldly go where no one has gone before!"
Some complained about Picard and Seven having any connection at all, simply because they supposedly ran in completely different circles. But the fact is, I'm sure Picard was well aware of the Rangers and their job, and part of his evacuation plan probably utilized them in some way, as escorts or to deliver supplies to remote places quickly and directly. On top of that, there's just no way he wouldn't have heard about Voyager's return, and by extension the existence of other freed former drones. They really should've touched on it in the show more, but I'd have expected Picard to take a personal and thorough interest in the lives of Seven and Icheb. Maybe not directly, simply because at that point he did still have issues as Locutus that he hadn't really faced yet, and Seven and Icheb would know him as Locutus, second only to the Queen herself (if "second" at all).
That was one of the few things I liked about S1 Picard, that there was a fleeting moment where Seven and Picard had a commonality of being ex Borg, they had a shared experience (albeit experienced differently) of being assimilated and then escaping. Its a shame they didn't pick up on it more than a few lines of dialogue.
Hopefully some Paramount exec reads all the comments here because we need the Capt 7 of Enterprise series. Jeri Ryan is an amazing actor and I love that she's getting a second chance at playing this wonderful character. I also hope Prodigy can do some justice to Chakotay's character since he was a bit of a minor role in the last few seasons of Voyager. Glad Robert Beltram is on board for voicing his old character again. And finally, the Doctor probably needs to reprise his role on an episode of Lower Decks. Robert Picardo's comedic delivery is impeccable so he'd be a great guest.
You forgot to mention Icheb's timeline in Voyager in the episode called Shattered (Season 7, Episode 11), its the before Admiral Janeway's time change during Endgame, but still a Future where is seems good for him and ensign Wildman.
TNG: "We make stuff." DS9: "You know what? that stuff works.... let's take it and put a spin on it." VOY: "We have stuff in surplus now... let's take that but bring it down a notch." ENT: "You know... this stuff could REALLY work, if we manage to improve it.... some time in the future maybe..." PIC: "What stuff?"
Jerry Ryan created a hell of a character considering how she came into the show and how they basically painted her and put her on set. I can't imagine how weird and uncomfortable that was, yet she was awesome. And only gets better. Ironically, who looks better in a starfleet uniform?
@@trigonman3 Did you mean T.J. Hooker? Used to watch that as a kid and my mum would always laugh at the title sequence when he was running saying 'Look at his little legs go!' 🤣
When I saw Picard season 3, I figured the original Borg collective was brought to a halt by Janeway’s virus.. the queen uses the remaining drones to survive.. makes sense
About Number 9: Yes, Voyager becomes a museum. However, where she’s parked was changed between the future pointed out by Admiral Janeway and where she turns up in Picard. Admiral Janeway stated that Voyager was parked at the Presidio in San Francisco and that she had a view of the Bay from the Captain’s Ready Room. So, yes, she becomes a museum, but where she ended up was changed.
@@AutomatedPersonnelUnit_3947 They where a great couple, both had lots of growing up to do. In alternative timeline she had Lieutenant rank when in future with Icheb. So hoping her path in Federation continues in normal timeline.
This was a WONDERFUL WONDERFUL video! It took Imagination, and style to put these puzzle pieces together! Thank you for your effort and time in putting it together for all of us to watch!!
I assume the uniforms in All Good Things, The Visitor, and Endgame are from a alternate timeline in which the Dominion war didn’t happen, and Starfleet’s golden age continued. The Visitor particularly points to this.
Icheb's fate is one of the major things I didn't think was done right. Janeway and the Voyager group would have went on a man hunt like no other I mean look at her in Prodigy and that was for a lost former member of her crew. Imagine what she would should have done for one that was done the way Icheb was. That sequence was not done well sadly. So many other ways they could have gave 7 a better back story and reason for her ranger life.
The whole S1 of Picard was out of character for so many, except maybe Hugh and Riker. It felt like they were attempting to make a new series with a totally new cast and then had to shoehorn legacy characters in to make the pitch. S2 may not be some people's favorite, but at least it felt like a story written for Picard (which of course meant the S1 characters felt shoehorned in instead).
@@QuintusAntonious season 2 started well but went off the rails with Q dying and other things. Season 3 is really the only one worth watching. Just forget the other two existed.
Harry Kim is still an ensign in our reality😂 jk But if you guys like Kim and Paris, they have their own podcast going over voyager episode by episode. It's pretty fun. They're on season 7 right now. It's called the delta flyers.
I think that it ought to be canon that Harry, upon his return to the Alpha Quadrant, was promoted directly from Ensign to full Commander, with Admiral Janeway citing the OJT training Harry got on Voyager, and that, within the larger community of Starfleet, there's no danger of the command structure becoming too top-heavy if Voyager's Ensigns all get promoted. Harry being handed his pips directly by Janeway would be a scene I'd love to see.
The Black with Grey across the shoulders uniform, best known as the "DS9 uniform", looks like THAT would be the Starfleet Marines uniform. Only change I would make in that way is Marines were Tan or Green.
complete unrelated to the video, but can we talk about Spacedock. The entire fleet against Spacedock at the end of Picard. The. Entire. Fleet! Obviously well shielded and armored, with minimal offensive capability in accordance to United Earth government. How many ships was it against SpaceDock? How long did the battle last before she fell? SpaceDock deserve Hero Status. Just my thoughts.
Wesley Crusher is a unit of measurement. I approve. I keep getting the Delta and Gamma Quadrants confused, so I've probably misspoken a few times. Working on it. Good job, folks.
8:19 The one thing that always bothered me about Tom Paris is that he’s not the same character that he played in TNG, who was kicked out of starfleet for dangerous shuttle maneuvers. It would have been such a minor tweak in the voyager pilot to make it fit.
Nick Locarno was from a script they bought, if they wanted to use that name they would have to pay that writer for every episode he was on. Just not worth it unfortunately.
I wish they would say something to that effect so I can stop kvetching about it. I hate that they change up the uniforms, often several times a series, for no good reason.
My uniform theory is that Star Fleet has a list of "approved" uniform styles and the look is chosen by the at the time Fleet commander. So every time someone retires or promotes out of the position, the new Fleet Commander changes the uniform if they want. Then all ships comply by replicating the new choice on site. It fixes any uniform consistency issues because you get people who want something fresh only to be replaced by someone who is a traditionalist. And any time sections don't match is just they haven't had time to update.
Endgame is an underrated finale. Janeway pulled off an unbelievable feat getting her crew back, and crippling the Borg. There are NO officer actions in Starfleet that match this accomplishment. AND she spent 7 years in the Delta Quadrant with no Starfleet assistance.
You could also go further stating in a ship that was conceived using entirely new technology and thinking. So many unknowns with the class of ship prior to being cutoff from starfleet. Janeway is top tier along with Picard, Kirk and Sisko if you ask me.
I forget where it's stated but the Voyager modifications from future Janeway where removed and sealed away by Starfleet due to the Temporal Prime Direction.
It could be argued that the time line we are seeing in Lower Decks, Prodegy and Picard is no longer set within the prime time line anymore as Admiral Janeway went back and changed history to ensure Voyager got back early. So anything we see in those 3 shows deviates from what should have happened so any changes are justifiable
The Queen from Picard season 3 is the same Queen Janeway “poisoned” at the end of Voyager. The best way the numerous queens has been explained to me is that the Borg is a race made up of several “Hives” (just like honeybees) where each individual hive has its own queen. But the one on Picard S3 is the last one Janeway interacted with in the Delta Quadrant and was able to make it through the trans-warp conduit.
Perhaps. I know that the Queen in Picard season 2 is NOT the Queen seen in Voyager, or in First Contact. She was a product of Q's Confederation timeline, and while she had some awareness of the multiverse, and of a multitude of collectives and Queens across various alternate realities, she was very specifically a part of that pocket reality. Interesting to see that the conclusion of season 2 posits that Queen Agnes somehow figured out how to move from Q's Confederation timeline back to the prime timeline. Either that, or when Q brought everyone back to the Stargazer, he "took down" that alternate reality and simply returned the cast to the prime universe, including Queen Agnes and her Borg Voluntary Collective and Aid Society...
Here's something I've been wondering: does Seven still need to regenerate in a Borg alcove like she does on Voyager? Am I forgetting some moment where that was explained or have the writers just simply forgotten about it?
My personal headcanon is that she could in theory also have her visible implant removed, but doesn't want to because, in a way, it's part of who she is. She may sometimes wish to not be seen as a former borg, but she probably knows that removing the implant won't change that either.
If I'm remembering right, voyager confirmed she'd be able to use a bed sometime in the future, but we don't know if she is or not by the time Picard comes around
@@bellyjelly0812 Maybe not, seeing as how, in Picard season 2, when Seven awoke sans implants, in a bed, she was amazed and disoriented by waking up that way. I'd suggest that she had still been using a regeneration alcove before being transported to Q's alternate Confederation timeline, or else she wouldn't have been so disoriented by waking up in a bed. At least, that's the impression I got from that scene. YMMV.
I don't know how many people are aware of the David Mack Star Trek novels set in the late 24th century, but it'd be cool to compare the timeline to the new shows. The Destiny trilogy is still one of my favorite book series
I actually really disliked the Destiny books. Making humans directly responsible for the creation of the Borg seemed very...I don't know...like it was making humans the most important species in the galaxy. There is already enough if that in Star Trek, that it just left a sour taste in my mouth. In fact, I believe those were the last Star Trek books I've read, and it's been years now. I have shelves of Star Trek books, but I've just been reading a lot of other things. I don't think those books specifically pushed me away, but now that I've actually considered it, they may have been the final straw.
My head cannon, is that The borg are still out there an they are still very very dangerous. This Queen was alone because she was ejected from the Collective in the Delta Quadrant for thinking as a individual. The supercube was assembled from the scrap of unimatrix 1, which was also rejected from the collective. Also one of the reason the Borg vessel was so weak is because it already fought through the primary borg collective to use the transwarp network.
ablative materials aren’t layered. They boil off to absorb energy but are thick monolithic blocks. Laminated armor is a different design (and has only really come into effective use recently because laminate is less effective against solid projectiles but more effective against explosively formed projectiles (shaped charges)). Modern laminated armor has layers of ceramic (for heat resistance and hardness) mixed with high tensile steel (for impact absorption).
I mostly like what they've done with Seven's character, but she does kinda seem like a completely different person. I can see the desire to want to play her differently, but it would have been nice to keep some of old Seven's physical ticks, like the head tilt and the hands cupped behind the back. When she's promoted to captain I would have loved to see her French twist come back.
Maybe if Star Trek Legacy is made, we can get some flashbacks of Seven after she returns to the Alpha Quadrant, but before she joined the Fenris Rangers.
@@rickjohnston2667 they're going to have to. I need a good excuse as to why she turned into a reckless murdering drunk who acts more on emotion than science and logic. I feel like they dumbed her character down in Picard season 1 one (I skipped season 2), but at least partially revived her original character in season 3.
Admiral Janeway's neurolink piloted shuttle could've been leftover parts of or a copy of "Alice", that Space-Christine ship that connected with Tom Paris.
In some way, both Icheb and Naomi Wildman had a future different from "reality". In the episode Shattered, we see both adult Naomi and adult Icheb in one of the temporal fragments.
Many people, including TC, have forgotten one detail. The pathogen Admiral Janeway uses is actually the one Icheb was genetically engineered to create, for some reason Endgame only included him in one scene and honestly, all they needed was one more scene after the two Janeways decide to combine their plans. Where perhaps during a discussion between him and Seven regarding her future they get a call to come to sickbay from Janeway and then cut to the shuttle where she has the hypospray to give to her older self.
The ablative shield generator could’ve been the basis of what eventually becomes programmable matter in the far future. Also it’s worth noting…prior to Discovery season 2, I always thought it was random that the Klingons of all races,were building time travel devices…until we were introduced to the time crystals of Boreth and it all came full circle.
I never liked the idea of Klingons having those crystals. They could have defeated the Federation before there was even a Federation several times over by knocking off key players that would have been key to making it happen. Sort of like the Terminator storyline.
@@jlomesou it goes back to Worf’s honor and integrity. Despite all the blood lusting, there has to be a sect of Klingons who will remain true to their honor and defend something so powerful from even their own kind.
I was so excited to see Seven promoted to Captain. I hope the Legacy series becomes a reality and would love to see guest stars from Voyager or DS9 to further their stories. Also I would love if you updated the fiction vs reality that you did for TNG’s “All Good Things” now that Picard is over.
4:29 Ive always been curious how different the technology was from the original timeline… there’s 15 years of delta quadrant discoveries and adventures. Could you do a video about how this original timeline would’ve hypothetically changed the events of Picard?
I still hold out a little hope that the Anthology series(not Legacy) that Matalas has mentioned comes to fruition. We could see Icheb being a Starfleet officer for an episode.
@@foreverspice1982 I think I read somewhere that he had gotten into some trouble that the studio doesn't want any part of. If that's the case, we'll probably never see Manu again. I wish I could remember it better tho.
Regarding the uniforms, it's pretty clear to me by now that fashions change on a whim (look it up, sweaty), and replicators can keep up effortlessly, so this is why we have Gold Kirk and Green Kirk, and Velour Kirk, and spandex Picard and two-piece Picard, and mismatched-hems Pike and Nicer-to-Look-At Pike, and THAT two weeks where skants were "in" on the Enterprise-D, etc.
Why suddenly did the Star Trek future get so dark? Gene Roddenberry created a bright future, and it was From the original series through Voyager. Now, the characters are darker, the uniforms are darker, and the interior of the ships are so dark that I can't see the ppl sometimes. This is not true Star Trek anymore.
17:17 1. Icheb, in the Endgame timeline, the crimelord lady would still hunt down XBs. No 7of9 joining the Rangers to save Icheb, so he is dismembered of borg parts, so Icheb is NOT OK in the Endgame timeline. He is worse off The Crimelady still operates, hunting other XBs
17:57 No clue how this man said Vejazzle's name with a straight face (okay, I know that's not really her name but it seriously soudns SO MUCH like that)
By far the best uniforms are the ones used on TnG in the later movies as well as DS9 in the later series. Every other uniform is no where near as good, you just wouldn't go back to the other types as depicted in these series
I honestly hate the writing that justifies Icheb getting into Starfleet and being killed as well as keeping Seven out of Starfleet. All sorts of stupid. I get they wanted to justify Seven's place on La Sirena, but I feel it could have been done better.
A while ago I saw a comment on the uniforms changing from the grey shoulder (DS9/TNG films) back to the colourful future versions, being explained thus: That the uniforms were duller and more subdued because they were during (or thereabouts) the Dominion war but after it was over they returned to the colourful, vibrant variety. As good as any a reason.
My head canon for why they allowed Janeway to change history: Voyager shows up on Relativity's screens again. The captain sighs at having to deal with them all the time. A scan of the timeline reveals multiple future breaches if they step in.m, and shows no further breaches if they just let her do it this time. So they let her do it to avoid the headaches.
What about Poor neelix? I thought he was a scene stitcher but also a big of a pain in the butt. Did he ever get to visit his federation friends at any point?
It would depend on how long-lived Talaxians are, I guess. But the Federation was said to have been researching transwarp drives and other technologies that would allow reasonable travel times to all galactic quadrants (such as the types of drives discussed and shown in the 32nd century, and in Prodigy), so it wouldn't surprise me at all to have seen a fast trip back to Neelix and his new family, to bring them back to Earth for a visit, and to speak with his Alpha Quadrant fans. Maybe even apply for Federation membership for his colony, to be the very first Federation world in the Delta Quadrant. That would make a nice feel-good B-plot in a Legacy series, I would bet... 🙂
Here’s hoping that in Star Trek: Legacy Seven of Nine will have a relationship that doesn’t come out of absolutely goddamn nowhere like her previous relationships with Chakotay & Raffi…
No one seems to notice Terry took his Picard genetics to assimilate Humanity plot DIRECTLY from the Borg queen in Voyager...she worded it differently to Seven, but the plan she laid out is too similar to be coincidence. The line was akin to "half their population will be drones before they even know it".
I suspect the reason Voyager was "retired" as quickly as it was, is how long do you want to scour the logs and reverse engineer tech from light centuries away (not to mention the Borg)?
The changes to the future uniforms are indications that Starfleet is making irrevocable impacts to the timeline every time they mess with time travel. It has nothing to do with artistry of the wardrobe crew 😂
My hope for Star Trek is to have a series that explores the context of where you came from versus where you are, and Seven of Nine is the perfect example. Like... this is a person that was taught, from a young age - indoctrinated, if you will - that the Borg were the pinnacle of perfection which, to everyone who is not Borg, is a wrong conclusion. Now she's in another paradigm so... how do you solve that contextual buttress of "infinity diversity in infinite combinations" of the Federation versus the "this is the only way to perfection" from the Borg? Please give me a SNW version of Trek in the 25th century starring Jerri Ryan. It just seems so prescient given the world we live in today of finding new meaning in the conflicting dialogues we grew up with versus what we learn as adults.
I'd love to see a follow up series too and if it can incorporate the ideas you've stated above that would be marvellous, and very Trek like. I'd most certainly be onboard for that.
What of that trio of Borgs that broke from the collective that are bound to each other relative to Seven's former action while she was still a Borg? Did their story ever have later chapters?
Lower decks states in multiple episodes thatt he uniform represents the particular command, that differnt class of ships and stations get their own uniform. So its clear that they have the ability to create their own based on some framework created by the federation.
Tim Russ, in that moment where he breaks the Tuvok mask and reveals himself to be Chuvok, delivers just about the most delightful bit of corner-of-the-mouth villain acting ever.
Seven definitely deserves the captains chair, and a spinoff show built around her character, even if she failed to keep an eye on Icheb
I see what you did there......even if Icheb can't
@@Jarsia 😮😂😂😂😂🤌🏾🖖🏾
Icheb’s an adult Starfleet officer. He didn’t need Seven to keep an eye on him.
@@michaelpapp5518 woosh
@@Jarsia swoop?
I'm 100% here for a Captain Seven of the Starship Enterprise G show. I can just imagine Voyager characters popping up, like intense debates with Janeway with a dash of the mother-daughter dynamic that they always have, funny moments with the Doctor, shared understandings with Tuvok, etc. And of course also characters from TNG and DS9, as there is a shared timeline.
So what you are saying is, you are down with them tickling our 'G' spot? 😝
@@marktaylor6553 who isn't? 🤔😉
Yes, PLEASE Paramount+! After Discovery is over, give us Star Trek: Legacy with Captain 7 of 9 of the Enterprise-G.
Admiral Janeway: You're forgetting the Temporal Prime Directive, Captain.
Captain Janeway: The hell with it.
For me the most heartbreaking part of Icheb’s story is that he is being practically torn apart as they search for his cortical node… which he doesn’t have because he gave his to Seven.
It was the worst fate for one of the nicest, aspiring and underused characters of Voyager. If they were going for shock value they really hit the nail on the head... with a photon torpedo. It really knocked me for six, I kept thinking that 'oh, Seven is here in the nick of time, she has saved him, well done!'. Then BLAM! She had to put him out of his misery. Even at the very end of the episode I thought they were going to bring him back somehow.
Yep, that hit me hard.
@@beef0678 they used him as a reverse -refriderator. the writers on that one were clearly angry feminist that think all male writers pull the refridgerated girlfrield trope , so they reversed it for "equality".
@@DenverStarkeyWow . Lot of hate there.
Seven has grown so much over the decades, and she has become a beacon of hope and inspiration for all of us who has struggled with our own lives. You can do great things.
I want the spin-off show, if for no other reason than to enshrine Jeri Ryan's version of "Space -- the final frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise. Her ongoing mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations. To boldly go where no one has gone before!"
Some complained about Picard and Seven having any connection at all, simply because they supposedly ran in completely different circles.
But the fact is, I'm sure Picard was well aware of the Rangers and their job, and part of his evacuation plan probably utilized them in some way, as escorts or to deliver supplies to remote places quickly and directly.
On top of that, there's just no way he wouldn't have heard about Voyager's return, and by extension the existence of other freed former drones. They really should've touched on it in the show more, but I'd have expected Picard to take a personal and thorough interest in the lives of Seven and Icheb. Maybe not directly, simply because at that point he did still have issues as Locutus that he hadn't really faced yet, and Seven and Icheb would know him as Locutus, second only to the Queen herself (if "second" at all).
That was one of the few things I liked about S1 Picard, that there was a fleeting moment where Seven and Picard had a commonality of being ex Borg, they had a shared experience (albeit experienced differently) of being assimilated and then escaping. Its a shame they didn't pick up on it more than a few lines of dialogue.
Hopefully some Paramount exec reads all the comments here because we need the Capt 7 of Enterprise series. Jeri Ryan is an amazing actor and I love that she's getting a second chance at playing this wonderful character.
I also hope Prodigy can do some justice to Chakotay's character since he was a bit of a minor role in the last few seasons of Voyager. Glad Robert Beltram is on board for voicing his old character again.
And finally, the Doctor probably needs to reprise his role on an episode of Lower Decks. Robert Picardo's comedic delivery is impeccable so he'd be a great guest.
You forgot to mention Icheb's timeline in Voyager in the episode called Shattered (Season 7, Episode 11), its the before Admiral Janeway's time change during Endgame, but still a Future where is seems good for him and ensign Wildman.
TNG: "We make stuff."
DS9: "You know what? that stuff works.... let's take it and put a spin on it."
VOY: "We have stuff in surplus now... let's take that but bring it down a notch."
ENT: "You know... this stuff could REALLY work, if we manage to improve it.... some time in the future maybe..."
PIC: "What stuff?"
Jerry Ryan created a hell of a character considering how she came into the show and how they basically painted her and put her on set. I can't imagine how weird and uncomfortable that was, yet she was awesome. And only gets better. Ironically, who looks better in a starfleet uniform?
Shatner looks way better in a Starfleet uniform than an Acab Hooker uniform.
@@trigonman3 Did you mean T.J. Hooker? Used to watch that as a kid and my mum would always laugh at the title sequence when he was running saying 'Look at his little legs go!' 🤣
When I saw Picard season 3, I figured the original Borg collective was brought to a halt by Janeway’s virus.. the queen uses the remaining drones to survive.. makes sense
Most planets, ships and drones were able to disconnect from the collective. An a new collective is reforming, slowly.
Naaaah.
They would have easily adapted to it.
Like I'm sure they did, in the original Universe.
DYING at the horga'hn on the picnic blanket!!! 12:01
Glad you spotted it 😂
About Number 9: Yes, Voyager becomes a museum. However, where she’s parked was changed between the future pointed out by Admiral Janeway and where she turns up in Picard. Admiral Janeway stated that Voyager was parked at the Presidio in San Francisco and that she had a view of the Bay from the Captain’s Ready Room. So, yes, she becomes a museum, but where she ended up was changed.
The change in locale happened off-screen. There. Done. Just accept it.
@@trigonman3 XD
I agree, Captain Seven needs that spin off season.
Only if Matalas is in charge
Shame we have not seen what happened to Naomi Wildman.... Captain's assistant should not be forgotten
@@AutomatedPersonnelUnit_3947 They where a great couple, both had lots of growing up to do. In alternative timeline she had Lieutenant rank when in future with Icheb. So hoping her path in Federation continues in normal timeline.
This was a WONDERFUL WONDERFUL video! It took Imagination, and style to put these puzzle pieces together! Thank you for your effort and time in putting it together for all of us to watch!!
One would hope the writers are watching these videos.
@@DavidKnowles0 with these folks, maybe we have NEW writers....
Love the tribute to Voyager, my favorite Trek!
Extremely disappointment that we didn't get a Naomi Wildman update in Picard.
1.25 Wesleys got a good chuckle out of me, props to the art department
Great work on stitching this together. I wonder whatever happened to Danara Pel, the Videan Doctor who used to call Voyagers Doctor, Schmollus.
I liked Pel. She had good muscle tone.
I assume the uniforms in All Good Things, The Visitor, and Endgame are from a alternate timeline in which the Dominion war didn’t happen, and Starfleet’s golden age continued. The Visitor particularly points to this.
No...those were the ACTUAL uniforms in the Original, "REAL" Universe.
@@lloydcantuii2887 Which would now be an alternative universe.
So hopeful of a "Star Trek: Legacy" series with Seven in command of Enterprise G :)
Icheb's fate is one of the major things I didn't think was done right. Janeway and the Voyager group would have went on a man hunt like no other I mean look at her in Prodigy and that was for a lost former member of her crew. Imagine what she would should have done for one that was done the way Icheb was. That sequence was not done well sadly. So many other ways they could have gave 7 a better back story and reason for her ranger life.
The whole S1 of Picard was out of character for so many, except maybe Hugh and Riker. It felt like they were attempting to make a new series with a totally new cast and then had to shoehorn legacy characters in to make the pitch. S2 may not be some people's favorite, but at least it felt like a story written for Picard (which of course meant the S1 characters felt shoehorned in instead).
@@QuintusAntonious season 2 started well but went off the rails with Q dying and other things. Season 3 is really the only one worth watching. Just forget the other two existed.
A series with Seven of Nine as Captain of the Enterprise???? Make it so!
Harry Kim is still an ensign in our reality😂 jk
But if you guys like Kim and Paris, they have their own podcast going over voyager episode by episode. It's pretty fun. They're on season 7 right now. It's called the delta flyers.
Yeah if we get Legacy Harry needs to either still be an ensign (he resigned once getting home) OR he needs to be Commodore Kim.
Justice for ensign Kim!
Have him still be an ensign in star fleet but he's commander of his own ship and all the crew are junior officers and academy members.
I think that it ought to be canon that Harry, upon his return to the Alpha Quadrant, was promoted directly from Ensign to full Commander, with Admiral Janeway citing the OJT training Harry got on Voyager, and that, within the larger community of Starfleet, there's no danger of the command structure becoming too top-heavy if Voyager's Ensigns all get promoted. Harry being handed his pips directly by Janeway would be a scene I'd love to see.
I had no idea! Thanks
The Black on top colour on bottom is my favorite uniform followed by First contact.
The Black with Grey across the shoulders uniform, best known as the "DS9 uniform", looks like THAT would be the Starfleet Marines uniform. Only change I would make in that way is Marines were Tan or Green.
That's cool that Seven is captain of the Enterprise. Needs her own series
complete unrelated to the video, but can we talk about Spacedock. The entire fleet against Spacedock at the end of Picard. The. Entire. Fleet! Obviously well shielded and armored, with minimal offensive capability in accordance to United Earth government. How many ships was it against SpaceDock? How long did the battle last before she fell? SpaceDock deserve Hero Status. Just my thoughts.
It needs a video for definite.
Loved this one - Awesome work Trek culture. Also if I don't get a Captain 7 Seven spin off I will be so mad.
Wesley Crusher is a unit of measurement. I approve.
I keep getting the Delta and Gamma Quadrants confused, so I've probably misspoken a few times. Working on it.
Good job, folks.
Starfleet changes its uniforms every time there is a major temporal violation to help distinguish itself from the branched timeline universe.
8:19 The one thing that always bothered me about Tom Paris is that he’s not the same character that he played in TNG, who was kicked out of starfleet for dangerous shuttle maneuvers.
It would have been such a minor tweak in the voyager pilot to make it fit.
Nick Locarno was from a script they bought, if they wanted to use that name they would have to pay that writer for every episode he was on. Just not worth it unfortunately.
This is good timing, I just finished my rewatch of voyager this morning!
Love this. There is a part two right? With all the rest.... Torres, the Wildmans, tal celes.... and so on!!!
Only if there is some information on them. If nothing is known then you can't compare 🤷♂️
I wonder what happened to the Equinox crew aboard Voyager, once the ship got back home. That would be interesting to learn.
My theory on the uniforms is that the different styles is that each fleet has a distinct uniform.
I wish they would say something to that effect so I can stop kvetching about it. I hate that they change up the uniforms, often several times a series, for no good reason.
Not only does that make perfect sense, it’s definitely something that would be cool to see executed on screen.
Sevens picnic has a Horga'hn in the middle of it, sneaky sneaky editor.
Aye, I put them in all my edits. I'm particularly proud of the one in the Tragic Characters video that went up before this. Glad you spotted it 😂
I love that the Wesley crusher is now a unit of measurement😂😂😂😂😂😂
side note: it has been wonderful watching you grow on this channel for the past several years, i always look forward to your videos :)
My uniform theory is that Star Fleet has a list of "approved" uniform styles and the look is chosen by the at the time Fleet commander. So every time someone retires or promotes out of the position, the new Fleet Commander changes the uniform if they want. Then all ships comply by replicating the new choice on site. It fixes any uniform consistency issues because you get people who want something fresh only to be replaced by someone who is a traditionalist. And any time sections don't match is just they haven't had time to update.
I like that theory! It's completely logical.
Endgame is an underrated finale. Janeway pulled off an unbelievable feat getting her crew back, and crippling the Borg. There are NO officer actions in Starfleet that match this accomplishment. AND she spent 7 years in the Delta Quadrant with no Starfleet assistance.
You could also go further stating in a ship that was conceived using entirely new technology and thinking. So many unknowns with the class of ship prior to being cutoff from starfleet. Janeway is top tier along with Picard, Kirk and Sisko if you ask me.
@@frumentarii7383don't forget keeping the doc's mobile emitter.
I forget where it's stated but the Voyager modifications from future Janeway where removed and sealed away by Starfleet due to the Temporal Prime Direction.
"...this is the end of the Borg!"
Yeah, but the same was said about Daleks in Doctor Who. And yet, they still seem to pop up again and again.
It could be argued that the time line we are seeing in Lower Decks, Prodegy and Picard is no longer set within the prime time line anymore as Admiral Janeway went back and changed history to ensure Voyager got back early. So anything we see in those 3 shows deviates from what should have happened so any changes are justifiable
The Queen from Picard season 3 is the same Queen Janeway “poisoned” at the end of Voyager. The best way the numerous queens has been explained to me is that the Borg is a race made up of several “Hives” (just like honeybees) where each individual hive has its own queen. But the one on Picard S3 is the last one Janeway interacted with in the Delta Quadrant and was able to make it through the trans-warp conduit.
Perhaps. I know that the Queen in Picard season 2 is NOT the Queen seen in Voyager, or in First Contact. She was a product of Q's Confederation timeline, and while she had some awareness of the multiverse, and of a multitude of collectives and Queens across various alternate realities, she was very specifically a part of that pocket reality. Interesting to see that the conclusion of season 2 posits that Queen Agnes somehow figured out how to move from Q's Confederation timeline back to the prime timeline. Either that, or when Q brought everyone back to the Stargazer, he "took down" that alternate reality and simply returned the cast to the prime universe, including Queen Agnes and her Borg Voluntary Collective and Aid Society...
Hey Sean, omg I love that plate!! Where did you find that??
Here's something I've been wondering: does Seven still need to regenerate in a Borg alcove like she does on Voyager? Am I forgetting some moment where that was explained or have the writers just simply forgotten about it?
Iirc at some point in Voyager the doctor tells her eventually she wouldn't need to anymore.
My personal headcanon is that she could in theory also have her visible implant removed, but doesn't want to because, in a way, it's part of who she is. She may sometimes wish to not be seen as a former borg, but she probably knows that removing the implant won't change that either.
If I'm remembering right, voyager confirmed she'd be able to use a bed sometime in the future, but we don't know if she is or not by the time Picard comes around
@@bellyjelly0812 Maybe not, seeing as how, in Picard season 2, when Seven awoke sans implants, in a bed, she was amazed and disoriented by waking up that way. I'd suggest that she had still been using a regeneration alcove before being transported to Q's alternate Confederation timeline, or else she wouldn't have been so disoriented by waking up in a bed. At least, that's the impression I got from that scene. YMMV.
She cleary had a bed in season three, but maybe she had a mini regenirator. Either way, I would love to share her chamber.
There are probably many Borg cubes stranded and working independently without the main Borg that Admiral Janeway destroyed.
I don't know how many people are aware of the David Mack Star Trek novels set in the late 24th century, but it'd be cool to compare the timeline to the new shows. The Destiny trilogy is still one of my favorite book series
I actually really disliked the Destiny books. Making humans directly responsible for the creation of the Borg seemed very...I don't know...like it was making humans the most important species in the galaxy. There is already enough if that in Star Trek, that it just left a sour taste in my mouth. In fact, I believe those were the last Star Trek books I've read, and it's been years now. I have shelves of Star Trek books, but I've just been reading a lot of other things. I don't think those books specifically pushed me away, but now that I've actually considered it, they may have been the final straw.
My head cannon, is that The borg are still out there an they are still very very dangerous. This Queen was alone because she was ejected from the Collective in the Delta Quadrant for thinking as a individual. The supercube was assembled from the scrap of unimatrix 1, which was also rejected from the collective. Also one of the reason the Borg vessel was so weak is because it already fought through the primary borg collective to use the transwarp network.
Ablative armor just means layered armor. So the rapidly deployed armor on ADM Janeway’s shuttle IS another type of ablative armor.
ablative materials aren’t layered. They boil off to absorb energy but are thick monolithic blocks.
Laminated armor is a different design (and has only really come into effective use recently because laminate is less effective against solid projectiles but more effective against explosively formed projectiles (shaped charges)).
Modern laminated armor has layers of ceramic (for heat resistance and hardness) mixed with high tensile steel (for impact absorption).
Definitely need a Seven of nine spin off as Captain of the Enterprise G ... really need to know her legacy command
I mostly like what they've done with Seven's character, but she does kinda seem like a completely different person. I can see the desire to want to play her differently, but it would have been nice to keep some of old Seven's physical ticks, like the head tilt and the hands cupped behind the back. When she's promoted to captain I would have loved to see her French twist come back.
Maybe if Star Trek Legacy is made, we can get some flashbacks of Seven after she returns to the Alpha Quadrant, but before she joined the Fenris Rangers.
@@rickjohnston2667 they're going to have to. I need a good excuse as to why she turned into a reckless murdering drunk who acts more on emotion than science and logic. I feel like they dumbed her character down in Picard season 1 one (I skipped season 2), but at least partially revived her original character in season 3.
You really didn't need to show Shaw dying again 😢
I love your shirt in this. The moment I saw "Tanagra," I started spewing quotes in my head.
Well We are suppose to see Harry kim at some point in prodigy as confirmed by the writers so we shall see.
The story of Seven of nine is so wired, she needs her own show
Admiral Janeway's neurolink piloted shuttle could've been leftover parts of or a copy of "Alice",
that Space-Christine ship that connected with Tom Paris.
That bit where he's all excited about the future of Admiral Janeway in the next season of Prodigy... RIP!!
In some way, both Icheb and Naomi Wildman had a future different from "reality". In the episode Shattered, we see both adult Naomi and adult Icheb in one of the temporal fragments.
I was expecting this video since the one from All The Good Things. *
I so want a spin off with seven as captain.
I literally just watched Season 7 and finished Endgame this morning, crazy to see this video!
I'm on S4 again. I just finished scientific method
Startrek future episodes are always.....changeable.
And they're always changed.
Many people, including TC, have forgotten one detail. The pathogen Admiral Janeway uses is actually the one Icheb was genetically engineered to create, for some reason Endgame only included him in one scene and honestly, all they needed was one more scene after the two Janeways decide to combine their plans. Where perhaps during a discussion between him and Seven regarding her future they get a call to come to sickbay from Janeway and then cut to the shuttle where she has the hypospray to give to her older self.
@14:15, "Now, talk about a fast track," well, in the words on Tom Paris, "she ought to be, she assimilated enough people!" 😆🖖
I liked the First Contact uniforms
The ablative shield generator could’ve been the basis of what eventually becomes programmable matter in the far future.
Also it’s worth noting…prior to Discovery season 2, I always thought it was random that the Klingons of all races,were building time travel devices…until we were introduced to the time crystals of Boreth and it all came full circle.
I never liked the idea of Klingons having those crystals. They could have defeated the Federation before there was even a Federation several times over by knocking off key players that would have been key to making it happen. Sort of like the Terminator storyline.
@@jlomesou it goes back to Worf’s honor and integrity. Despite all the blood lusting, there has to be a sect of Klingons who will remain true to their honor and defend something so powerful from even their own kind.
I was so excited to see Seven promoted to Captain. I hope the Legacy series becomes a reality and would love to see guest stars from Voyager or DS9 to further their stories. Also I would love if you updated the fiction vs reality that you did for TNG’s “All Good Things” now that Picard is over.
4:29 Ive always been curious how different the technology was from the original timeline… there’s 15 years of delta quadrant discoveries and adventures.
Could you do a video about how this original timeline would’ve hypothetically changed the events of Picard?
Janeway was a planner for Frontier Day
and Tuvok was present for the design and launch of USS Voyager-B
I still hold out a little hope that the Anthology series(not Legacy) that Matalas has mentioned comes to fruition. We could see Icheb being a Starfleet officer for an episode.
With Manu Intiraymi reprising his role … (no disrespect to the [unnecessarily recast] actor in the death scene)
@@foreverspice1982 I think I read somewhere that he had gotten into some trouble that the studio doesn't want any part of. If that's the case, we'll probably never see Manu again. I wish I could remember it better tho.
That's another Star Trek series that really needs to be done. Short Treks was the closest we got to something like that so far.
1 Wesley crusher.. seems about right!
Regarding the uniforms, it's pretty clear to me by now that fashions change on a whim (look it up, sweaty), and replicators can keep up effortlessly, so this is why we have Gold Kirk and Green Kirk, and Velour Kirk, and spandex Picard and two-piece Picard, and mismatched-hems Pike and Nicer-to-Look-At Pike, and THAT two weeks where skants were "in" on the Enterprise-D, etc.
We should make Wesley Chusher a unit of measuring time.
Why suddenly did the Star Trek future get so dark? Gene Roddenberry created a bright future, and it was From the original series through Voyager. Now, the characters are darker, the uniforms are darker, and the interior of the ships are so dark that I can't see the ppl sometimes. This is not true Star Trek anymore.
17:17 1. Icheb, in the Endgame timeline, the crimelord lady would still hunt down XBs.
No 7of9 joining the Rangers to save Icheb, so he is dismembered of borg parts, so Icheb is NOT OK in the Endgame timeline. He is worse off
The Crimelady still operates, hunting other XBs
17:57 No clue how this man said Vejazzle's name with a straight face (okay, I know that's not really her name but it seriously soudns SO MUCH like that)
We need Star Trek Legacy with Captain Seven of Nine.
By far the best uniforms are the ones used on TnG in the later movies as well as DS9 in the later series. Every other uniform is no where near as good, you just wouldn't go back to the other types as depicted in these series
They did Icheb dirty. I'll never forgive that
I honestly hate the writing that justifies Icheb getting into Starfleet and being killed as well as keeping Seven out of Starfleet. All sorts of stupid. I get they wanted to justify Seven's place on La Sirena, but I feel it could have been done better.
This is a good point 🤔
Spin-off, spin-off! Enterprise G! Captain Seven!
Love the shirt Sean, was watching that TNG episode last weekend.
A while ago I saw a comment on the uniforms changing from the grey shoulder (DS9/TNG films) back to the colourful future versions, being explained thus: That the uniforms were duller and more subdued because they were during (or thereabouts) the Dominion war but after it was over they returned to the colourful, vibrant variety. As good as any a reason.
My head canon for why they allowed Janeway to change history:
Voyager shows up on Relativity's screens again.
The captain sighs at having to deal with them all the time.
A scan of the timeline reveals multiple future breaches if they step in.m, and shows no further breaches if they just let her do it this time.
So they let her do it to avoid the headaches.
What about Poor neelix? I thought he was a scene stitcher but also a big of a pain in the butt. Did he ever get to visit his federation friends at any point?
It would depend on how long-lived Talaxians are, I guess. But the Federation was said to have been researching transwarp drives and other technologies that would allow reasonable travel times to all galactic quadrants (such as the types of drives discussed and shown in the 32nd century, and in Prodigy), so it wouldn't surprise me at all to have seen a fast trip back to Neelix and his new family, to bring them back to Earth for a visit, and to speak with his Alpha Quadrant fans. Maybe even apply for Federation membership for his colony, to be the very first Federation world in the Delta Quadrant. That would make a nice feel-good B-plot in a Legacy series, I would bet... 🙂
Here’s hoping that in Star Trek: Legacy Seven of Nine will have a relationship that doesn’t come out of absolutely goddamn nowhere like her previous relationships with Chakotay & Raffi…
No one seems to notice Terry took his Picard genetics to assimilate Humanity plot DIRECTLY from the Borg queen in Voyager...she worded it differently to Seven, but the plan she laid out is too similar to be coincidence. The line was akin to "half their population will be drones before they even know it".
I suspect the reason Voyager was "retired" as quickly as it was, is how long do you want to scour the logs and reverse engineer tech from light centuries away (not to mention the Borg)?
I’m so sorry I missed this episode😢. How can I find this one without having to buy the complete set?
The changes to the future uniforms are indications that Starfleet is making irrevocable impacts to the timeline every time they mess with time travel. It has nothing to do with artistry of the wardrobe crew 😂
is a "Wesley Crusher" the trekculture verion of a Jeremy Bearimy?
"Captain Seven of Nine, Everyone!!!!" I'm dead.
Darmok and Jilad at Tanagra... Love the shirt!☺
My hope for Star Trek is to have a series that explores the context of where you came from versus where you are, and Seven of Nine is the perfect example. Like... this is a person that was taught, from a young age - indoctrinated, if you will - that the Borg were the pinnacle of perfection which, to everyone who is not Borg, is a wrong conclusion. Now she's in another paradigm so... how do you solve that contextual buttress of "infinity diversity in infinite combinations" of the Federation versus the "this is the only way to perfection" from the Borg?
Please give me a SNW version of Trek in the 25th century starring Jerri Ryan. It just seems so prescient given the world we live in today of finding new meaning in the conflicting dialogues we grew up with versus what we learn as adults.
I'd love to see a follow up series too and if it can incorporate the ideas you've stated above that would be marvellous, and very Trek like. I'd most certainly be onboard for that.
What of that trio of Borgs that broke from the collective that are bound to each other relative to Seven's former action while she was still a Borg? Did their story ever have later chapters?
Lower decks states in multiple episodes thatt he uniform represents the particular command, that differnt class of ships and stations get their own uniform. So its clear that they have the ability to create their own based on some framework created by the federation.