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Honda ATC 200 Pulse Generator - Mechanical Advancer
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2020
- This video covers how to test resistance, how to gap the pulse generator, how it works, and general information about it. Should be applicable to all 200 and 185 3 wheelers and big reds.
Also, a tiny bit of oil on the camshaft and springs help
Im sorry I missed what the bump actually is.
the little bump on the metal piece is used for timing purposes. The black piece with the electrical wires is essentially a sensor. It is used to tell the ignition circuit when to spark / at the correct time in the combustion cycle. Essentially its a start pulse ignition system.
Basically, the CDI waits around for the pulse generator to tell it that the piston has just hit some point before TDC, and then waits the appropriate amount of time
Thanks for your reply. Focusing in on 5:50 (ish) your thumb kind of points to an area near the slotting. Is that the general area? I may have mistakenly asked what the bump was when I meant to where it is.
Awesome thanks ! Those little screws are a terror, you know those new stainless Allen bolts are much better, they won't round off (tip)
thats true, they love to seize in place and strip out. Stainless would be a nice upgrade
Was looking for this.
Thanks, glad you found it helpful!
@@muddythumper8152 it really is helpful. I have a Honda xl125sl. And I was really wondering where the pulser is located. Some bikes have their pulsers together with the stator. And in this video I realized that the pulser is behind that "CDI" case.
Great video Well explained thanks
Glad it was helpful! thanks
I saved your video, thanks
glad it helped!
Will broken springs make the 3 wheeler drive slow and hesitant
a complete gasket and seal and o-ring kit is still available new for around 15-20 bucks USD.
Yes you are right! a oem gasket would be nice to have, i'll have to order one eventually.I'm just using a bit of high heat gasketmaker for now because i don't have a good proper gasket for it and the gasket maker does the job. It gets pricey maintaining several bikes haha! last time i priced the Oem ignition switch off partzilla, it came up as close to 130$ usd which to me is getting close to the price I bought the bike for haha!
@@muddythumper8152 it's best to just get part numbers from there and go to eBay and other places. The gasket kit is made by vesrah they make the OEM kits for Honda the quality is top notch and way cheaper. The kit even includes new valve seals if you ever need them.
@@mikeshobbiesandrandomstuff perfect, didn't know I could get them for cheaper thanks! This little bike has come a long way, but still needs more work. When i bought it , it needed a new wire harness, chain and sprockets,brakes,battery,etc haha. The 200e is my favorite though cause its an old work horse. I appreciate the input, nice to learn more and more each day!
-Muddy
@@muddythumper8152 no problem bud glad I could help. You should join 3wheelerworld.com and justbigreds.com. the owner of just big reds has an eBay page and sells parts at reasonable prices
hi i would like to know how to change the seal here the foot gear shifter is would u do a video on that? great video i dont know how to take off the crankcase cover
Ill take a look into this for you soon, haven't replaced the seal before
Im working on a 84 200s right now. I dont have a volt meter. So i checked for spark by hanging the spark plug on the block. No spark. Then tried a screwdriver. No spark. Held screwdriver in hand gave me a slight tickle only. The gap on the cdi is clean and gapped right. Would that be a coil problem?
Could be a lot of things. if you don't have a volt meter get a test light. First rule out the Stator, then CDI connections , pulse generator mainly. If all those components are good only thing else it can be is a broken connection or loose connection. I have a video on my channel on how to troubleshoot spark it should help. Even a cheap multimeter ( like 20$ unit should help ). Recently i put up how to troubleshoot spark on a 250es, check that out too. Although engines are different the process is the same. Let me know if you need further help
@@muddythumper8152 i appreciate it. I will check those out👍
Hi my mechanical advance mechanism won't budge what am I missing it's stuck solid on the cam 2 machines ?????
are you trying to remove it?
@@muddythumper8152 I was and it was siezed on the cam terrible got it tho
@@jakezablow6328 perfect, yeah these machines getting old some parts like to stick together lol
Is having a broken spring a big deal? Would it affect how the pulse generator works? I took the cover off to clean the internals and noticed the broken spring laying in the cover.
Ideally you want to swap out the swing because its centrifugal so it does affect the timing as the engine spins up. Now its not a huge difference but it does certainly affect the quality of the spark / timing
@@muddythumper8152 thanks for the reply.
I made replacement springs from ball point pen springs....yup ball point pen...cut ..tweak..bend ...install
Excellent!
i think u over doing the gasket goo just a tad there mate u only need to use a thin smear of it around the bead and it wont go everywhere inside the engine also
ah its okay you are probably right lol! this is the first 3 wheeler i ever decided to put some time into. i typically use gaskets , some bikes get RTV gasket maker. I have about 12 running machines in the shed and maybe 13 spare engines. i agree too much rtv is a bad thing.
What will happen if the springs are broken in half, will it cause it not to start
No it will still start but not run ideally. It’ll likely flood the plugs as it won’t advance the timing
Ok it'll start if I spray starting fluid but for only for like 5 seconds, could it be a fuel issue, I ordered a new carb but waiting for it to come in, thanks for your answer, I don't have any idea what I'm doing but by the time I'm through with it, it's going to be a brand new 3 wheeler, lol. Thanks and im anxious for your reply about my question about could it be a fuel issue causing it not to start on its own, I haven't checked the timing marks inside of the pull start housing yet but the pulse generator and the other deal I believe are the points their marks are pretty close to matching up
im willing to bet you just have a carb issue, throw on a good oem carb or a amazon jobby and she should run.@@briannash7960
Thank you for helping me out
What tool or how would you suggest getting the last nut of the old carburetor, the one that is in a tight space close to the frame, on the side where the oil reservoir is, thanks
I see the has come off my camshaft... I'm done huh? Also, I took an advancer off another generator that wouldn't line up with my to end; would that still work if my bump wasn't broken off from the camshaft?
the bump is what tells the bike when to spark, if you know where it broke to be honest you could probably do a small weld and some fine grinding with a dremel or just replace the camshaft these bikes are easy to work on and cheap. I have like 10 spare engines kicking around. Try some redneck methods if that dont work watch a video of timing chain replacment its basically same procedure for camshaft swap!
@@muddythumper8152 you have some 200 engines?
@@muddythumper8152 also you're awesome! That was a quick response!
@@dawsonjd247 yes I got a lot of 200 parts
@@dawsonjd247 thanks ol buddy , hopefully I’ll do some videos again in the future, grief Is not fun to deal with. You’ll get that trike running , don’t worry about that. I have about 9 trikes still and they all run great
Hey I got question on this. Comment back and I’ll explain my question it’s about camshaft and the thing that slides on that has magnet
What are you stuck on
@@muddythumper8152 I see there is a little pin on crankshaft that the pulse generator part that spins connects to and my cam don’t have that. Will that cause motor to start and then stall after few seconds ? And then takes long time to start up again
@@robertodavid7723 that pin mainly is for positioning, you need to make sure your pulse generator is not 180 out / installed opposite. Also check your choke / carb set up. When it does start how does it run? does it sound normal or odd.
Where do the pulse generator wires go to? The CDI?
they plug into the matching colors on the wiring harness, but ultimately yes they go to the CDI. Pulse generator tells the CDI when to spark basically.
@@muddythumper8152 the colors dont match perfect is there any danger of wreaking any of the electrical on my bike if I'm wrong
@@randyrandy7864 what engine you have? the Pulse generator is typically a blue yellow / or blue white and a green for ground. If you swap it around, the most i can see happening is no spark because you will be shorting the spark wire
@@muddythumper8152 the color was blue to blue white and yellow to yellow so I assumed blue white to blue was good just didn't want to short out something before I got it hooked up right. I think it's a 110 or 125 it's a cobbled bike I picked up for very cheap
My 185s has some orangish reddish dust in the cdi cover
thats probably rust from the springs! make sure to clean it off that way your sensor will work good
@@muddythumper8152 and it has no spark we tried to put another ignition coil on it from a trash three wheeler but I don’t know if they both were bad or not I really want this 185s going hell I rode it more than my 450
@@johnfkennedygaming5697 Hey there, check out my How to troubleshoot spark video. I got spark back to a bike that never had spark in many years. In a nutshell you need to find whats causing the no spark. There is only a few components that have anything to do with spark. Theres the stator, CDI connections, Pulser, and ignition coil. If theyre all good its either a loose ground or broken wire. Check out the vid, if you have any questions let me know!
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you need more silicone
yes lots more
Did you put all the left case covers together with just RTV? Lol
Thanks for commenting, good question about gasket maker! Yes you are right, having the proper Oem gaskets are the way to go. However I used some high heat silicon ( RTV) around the outside of the pullcord case and left casing to reduce chances of water and junk getting in there. 2-3 years later its still working great. I have 8 or 9 bikes so not all of them gets done properly. Feel free to send some gaskets lol!
@@muddythumper8152 yeah I can see that, but the starter gears inside rely on the gasket thickness for clearance. Without a gasket stuff starts to bind. But hey, if it works it works 👍
@@velderindustries Good point bud! For the main engine panel you're talking about i do have the factory gasket on it, but i went around it with high heat gasket maker a long time ago cause the gasket was torn. Probably why it doesn't have a clearance issue. The Recoil itself though has no gasket on it, just high heat Rtv. Thanks for commenting, feel free to stick around! - Muddy
@@muddythumper8152 makes sense, rtv with a gasket wont hurt anything so long as its not dripping down inside. The recoil doesent matter, but its a good idea to have a drain hole unless you can seal the rope hole watertight.
Just bought a 200s and seems like doesnt spark sometimes. I guess will start by seeing if theres dirt on magnet or pickup