Nice little trick here dude - love your work! I use to have my colour temperature to Warm 50 using hgig on my C1 however you lose a lot of nits using that in HGIG. I've put mine back to colour temp 0 so it's balanced. Looks brighter and gorgeous in hgig now.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Nice! On the C1 and C2 for those that like it warmer there's a "remove blue light" option in the picture settings. Never tried it myself but it's nice to have I guess. 🙂
I did everything that you showed to do I matched 2000 peak level and when I turn tone mapping on its still way lighter than hgig on or off still dark I have a lg oled c3 evo the game still don’t look super bright it’s only brighter with tonmapping on
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I see.. Well, I did the tests with my C1 and I found that if I let the MaxCll on "Auto" it performs better on most cases. Maybe it's different for you oled model. Thanks anyway
I am gonna try this on Dragon's Dogma 2, that game looks so dark and washed out with HGIG. Any chance you will do any kind of gaming picture settings for the new LG G4 with a Ps5 pro? Thanks for the video 👍🏼
If you're G4 is fairly new it might be crushing blacks a little bit. The solution is a 22 point calibration using HGIG go to the lowest code value and increase RGB to 10, then the next one to 8 then 6, 4, 3, 2, 1(try other similar values until you get the near black looking bright enough)
looking to improve graphics I found your channel and I think your content is excellent.... I think the same as you if the content is bad because I have to follow the rules of intention... watching this video one of many I ask you do I use xbox series and ps 5pro on lg c4, these settings in general, since there are many videos, do they work for consoles? Could you tell me if you have a video summarizing everything I have seen in some videos? in advance..I am impressed by your talent!! You go outside the norm to improve and that for me is very good since many think that going outside the norm is a capital sin 😂...I congratulate you in advance...(in fact I have tried some adjustments and the result is incredible)
I don't have a console specific video because I don't have one. For the Xbox I'd use HGIG and if it looks dark just try Dynamic tone mapping Mastering Peak Maxcll to match the peak brightness of the game max out.
@plasmatvforgaming9648 Thank you for answering so quickly...in fact I used it in play with some games and the change is incredible...thanks for the advice...blessings and I hope you continue with such excellent content...
I'm gonna try this method, my problem is the Mortal Kombat 11, Injustice 2, and the Nioh 2 is very dark in native hdr, but when i switch to hlg-hdr image is looks awsome not too dark not too light.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Ok, I did try the settings on PC with Ghost of Tsushima on a CX. Nothing changed. HGiG is still much lower brightness than DTM.
God of War MaxCLL is 10000nits no matter the slider, that HDR is terrible tbh. Try in game sliders set to 50 38 38 and tone mapping OFF on TV Mastering Peak 10000 MaxCLL 10000.
Hi the c1s Max peak brightness is 650 to 750 nits if u override this value to 1500 2000 nits I have a feeling this will increase the risk of burn in or some other issues is this really recommended n safe to do
This is not overriding the peak brightness of the TV, it's just selecting the tone mapping target, meaning when the content MaxCLL is 2000 then the TV maximum peak brightness would be its maximum capabilities
Hi, when I try to do this in spiderman or elden ring which has sliders, I only see estimated maxCll around 250-380 nits. What causes this. Its like I cant reach the game's peak brightness level when taking a screen shot with Windows button +G or the xbox button to take a jxr image
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Alt+F1 on spiderman worked better yes. 554 nits. This is using hgig, No hdmi override settings applied yet. The in-game slider is 1500 nits. HDR enabled, No auto hdr. Is it ok or should I try to get it brighter somewhere?
I think I figured out this. So if the game is not to dim with hgig, then use hgig, adjust the in-game sliders so it matches 797 nits when viewing a bright big object like the sun or like the big elden ring tree in my case.... Then I get bright enough picture in hgig mode. If that does not help, then its best to use your method with dtm off and master peak and maxCll to whatever the game outputs after doing the same thing as I mentioned above, right?
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 For games without proper sliders or games that have estimated maxCll on something very big. I then used your recommendend hdmi master peak settings, maxed out the brightness level, dtm off and HDR was finally good. Yes the DTM on will be even brighter on some games but it clips hard so detail is difficult to read
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 can you confirm if this doesn work on auto hdr? Because changing hdmi override levels while in auto hdr doesnt do anything. Having dtm to off or hgig on doesnt do anything, the brightness is the same when looking at the screenshot. Is auto hdr using the hdr pc calibrated levels then? DTM on increases the midtone only, but you never loose detail. Tested on that gamepass disney dreamlight game for example.
Hi, Just wondering if you have any settings for watching hdr movies. I know that dolby vision is better. But most movies in 4k are hdr/hdr10+ is it possible do you think? What movies played via VLC where you can adjust the picture on the software?
I would recommend you to do the same thing as with games, take a screenshot and open it with the HDR WCG image viewer app to know the MaxCLL and then use Mastering Peak MaxCLL= to that MaxCLL will tone mapping OFF. The rest of the settings are the same: warm 50 color gamut Auto saturation 55 and the black level in the default 50
Does maxing our peak brightness in games increase midtones? Like for example I use dtm off and Cinema Home all the time and I adjust games accordingly. Even for games that when you set 800 nits midtones are perfect I still use dtm off and Cinema Home preset. So does it Increase midtones even for games that are good HDR when you max out brightness slider or will it stay the same as when you set 800 nits and I mean in a good hdr game where hgig is already bright
When you change the Peak Brightness slider in the game, it could affect the midtones depending on the tone mapping they're using. There are different standards, some prioritize highlight details and lower the midtones as a consequence, some prioritize accuracy, and clip the highlights more. I can see those options when using Lilium shaders tone mapping
I didn't know about Mastering Peak Maxcll tone mapping OFF settings when I made this video. To use tone mapping OFF or ON always Max out the in-game Peak brightness slider and the Mastering Peak Maxcll to match the game Maxcll, this is to prevent double tone mapping (game tone mapping with the slider plus TV tone mapping)
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 That makes sense. I know I spammed your other video with the 27GR95QE-B questions,but essentially it all boils down to two questions that I have. 1. Since this panel has NO tone mapping options, I am trying to see if the tone curve acts like "Tone Mapping OFF" on an LG C1/CX/etc, or if the tone curve is more or less HGIG but with a sharp roll off rather than just a hard clip. 2. I'm trying to understand how Windows communicates with displays. You mentioned that displays do not send HDR10 metadata to displays (neither to consoles), but that kind of seems to not be the case with this panel, because when I am looking at the win11 calibration app, it clips at around 600 nits. I would expect it to not clip until like 2,000 nits if the panel was defaulting to a 4k nit tone curve (as shown on a the ps5 in hdtvtest's review of this monitor). It seems like windows is communicating with the display so it appears to be using a 1000 nit tone curve (assuming 1k nit is the lowest tone curve it can use. Not super knowledgeable about this so let me know if i'm wrong) If you know the answers to these or if you have any materials taht I can read to learn more about this, please let me know! I am kind of stuck here. Thanks again and I appreciate your videos. Great stuff.
If the HDR calibration app is clipping at 600, then that's the value. If you see otherwise somewhere else, then the content is the difference. I will check the HDTV test video again and see if I get any other insights
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Dude THANK YOU so much! I've been doing some research into the win11 calibration app and I think the below thread may be interesting to you, if you have not seen this already. What I THINK is happening is that the win11 calibration app is somehow sending the correct HDR10 metadata to the display, unlike the console calibration screens. In the HDTVTest, when you watch it, you'll see that he says that consoles will show clipping at like 4000 nits since the panel has no metadata and defaults to a 4000 nit tone curve. However, as I've explained, when you do the calibration in windows, you see it clipping at like 600, meaning that this calibration app is sending metadata to the display, whereas the console calibration DO NOT. At least that's how I'm understanidng it. If you watch the video, let me know your thoughts! I'm trying to figure this out by reading through all the AVForum posts on the LG OLED TVs. Link to thread I'm reading about the app and metadata: hardforum.com/threads/lg-48cx.1991077/page-212
I feel this have 2 uses the first the one that you said the game maybe dark with hgig but ive also find some rare games that crushed the highlights because they do a little bit more nits than the nits on your tv so maybe there is another use to this
Hi Plasma TV for Gaming! I think you said on a comment in a earlier video that you have a 17 inch CRT monitor. I use a CRT monitor as my main monitor for that sweet motion clarity, but don't have a lot of experience with OLED TV's/monitors. How well does OLED stack up to CRT in motion clarity in your opinion, especially in 24 FPS movie content?
Actually I have that video coming and I will tell you exactly how they compare using the Blur Busters Law and calculating the Motion Clarity, I'm working on it. For Low frame rate I can tell you right now the CRTs are not the best because they are 60Hz or beyond to avoid visible flickering and having for example 60Hz and 30fps causes double refreshes for each frame. The best 24fps displays Natively are the Plasmas. But in my opinion 24fps is nonsense and it needs to die, I want movies at 120fps at least and if the actors look fake they just need to get better or use AI to lower the frame rate of the facial expressions, but there's nothing cinematic about a 24fps panning shot, it looks horrendous imo. On my LG C1 I use for movies De-Judder 10 Motion Pro Medium and get 240fps like motion Clarity albeit a ton of interpolation artifacts
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Nice man, looking forward to that video! I have my CRT monitor running at 120 hz, so it divides perfectly into 24, 30 and 60 fps. Isn't that enough or will 24fps native always be better? Honestly I can't imagine anything having better motion clarity than this, so would love to see how a 24 fps movie on a plasma TV looks :) Yeah, it would be so cool if they would shoot movies at 120 fps. Thanks for the settings on your C1. Will definitely check them out when I get my own :)
The CRT looks amazing in motion no matter the Hz, the problem is that if you don't match the FPS of the content with the Hz you get repeated refreshes of the same image, the CRT can't go down to 24Hz because the flickering would be eye searing
RGB Full 10bits. For desktop usage lower the black level to Screen Brightness 46 or the equivalent Fine Tune Dark Areas -16 because all SDR content on Windows is Limited inside the Full HDR container.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Should I only set to 46 in HDR, or can I use 46 in Expert mode? which is what I use when I'm not gaming. And should it be raised back to 50 for gaming? I know you mentioned in a video to tune screen brightness but I never did it so its still at default 50. Also I have yet to experiment with BFI-- Right now I'm just tinkering with HDR for comp gaming to see if its worth it.
Games should be at Full default 50 if they don't have the black level raised. HDR gaming on these OLED is amazing for competitive games because there's no latency penalty at all like in LCDs with local dimming zones
Do you make a profile for each game in LG Color Control? Must get annoying when games all have different Mastering Peaks. So I ended up getting a display model C1 since the price of new ones out of state are 2x, LG will replace the panel. This thing is insane, its not acting anything like the first unit I bought. I have not gone into the service menu. I am getting 400 nits full screen white in game mode SDR, PC input, oled light 65, 85 contrast, 50 brightness. I'm not even getting ABL in full screen white applications like word or web pages like Amazon. I use OLED Motion Pro high and the brightness barely dips. The ABL when it does kick in isn't gradual either, seem to blink on now. I'm happy but I don't get why it was so dark and washed out the first time around. I wonder if the LG reps do something to TV apart from put it in retail mode. I wouldn't take a C2 over this, its insane to me they removed 120hz BFI.
Just wondering if BFI or motion pro or motion settings could work on the 40ps mode on the latest PS5 games? I dont think so, but maybe you know? These games require to have 120hz mode enabled to get proper pulldown to 40fps by the game. It looks much better then those 30fps games in native 4k, but if bfi could work then the clarity issue could be resolved but with a cost of input lag which is ok for the rpg games that have this mode. What do you think?
i just wish there are proper implementations for games im a fan of original settings and this hdr gaming is just chaos.. my old lg fullhd le7500 just died i bought oled c3 and im disappointed cause hdr looks so washed out and dim in tomb raider comparing to sdr colorful deep blacks picture from my old lg tv and it was sdr picture on 12 years old tv! and still these tvs cant match that... many games are either too dark in hgig mode or overbrightened in dtm on mode - mass effect 1 the beginning of the game at eden prime for example too bright with dtm on had to use hgig mode and shadow of tomb raider exactly the opposite without dtm on its unplayable
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 thanks for the answer...btw i use hgig and expression enhancer set on brightness for shadow of the tomb its a little better but dtm on is much more closer to how tomb raider looked like in sdr on lg le 7500 in terms of brightness colors and other things...and thats what im saying its totally different and chaotic wirh these hdr modes some scenes even looked more picturesque with old lg tv in many tomb raider scenes where it looks too yellowish on oled
Just take a screenshot on the Xbox and open it on a Win11 PC, otherwise watch my videos or Gaming Tech for the MaxCll, I'm still going to cover games, I just feel like what I've shown is enough for everyone to set the HDR settings on any game without my help
HGIG, leave the black level on Auto and just lower the black level raised (if that's the case) using Fine Tune Dark Areas -16 or alternatively Screen Brightness 46
Hi, for god of war ragnarok on PS5. I tried the following: Hdmi Input PC mode DTM off -Maxed the in game hdr brightness slider to 100 -MaxCll 10000 -Mastering peak 10000 -Maxed the PS5 system hdr calibration. Result, the image is brighter overall, but I dont see that huge benefit like you said. I cant for some reason get screenshots from PS5 to be in real HDR, so when I read with that hdr+WCG viewer app, its still a sdr picture... Its like its not in the correct format. Ps5 has only jpg, png and of you choose hdr it will be automatic,but regardless its still in sdr when using the app so I do not know what the game is asking.. Any suggestions or am I doing something wrong maybe? Some other settings on tv needs to be off or on? What about the ps5 settings?
I know Gaming Tech takes screenshots from the PS5, I can ask him to find out how he does it and I will mention it in a video. Don't change the brightness in game because that is likely to wash out the picture. You can try to reduce the Mastering Peak MaxCLL 1000 and see if that doesn't clip by eye, it should be brighter than 10000 and the game might be maxed out at 1000
Don't worry about it, burning is not a concern anymore, enjoy it and try to get the best picture quality. I make sure to disable all dimming and protection mechanisms.
Yes, but not with Native HDR, I use the SDR HDR trick, basically Maxing out the SDR HDR slider on win11 and Screen Brightness 46 Force limited on TV while Nvidia control panel RGB Full, then HGIG with Motion Pro High
It was off. To get full HDR brightness you can't use BFI, I alternate them. You can also use this trick for BFI ua-cam.com/video/wIMK_oQirlU/v-deo.html
Sure, I also play it at 100Hz/100fps with Motion Pro High and that's like 263fps sample and hold motion Clarity ua-cam.com/video/nspM7kQ-k7M/v-deo.html
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Nice little trick here dude - love your work! I use to have my colour temperature to Warm 50 using hgig on my C1 however you lose a lot of nits using that in HGIG. I've put mine back to colour temp 0 so it's balanced. Looks brighter and gorgeous in hgig now.
Thanks. Whichever you prefer, the option is there for a reason. I recommend warm 50 and I actually like it even warmer like my plasma TV
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Nice! On the C1 and C2 for those that like it warmer there's a "remove blue light" option in the picture settings. Never tried it myself but it's nice to have I guess. 🙂
I use it sometimes to play before sleep because blue lights affect your sleep
@@christophermiller8481 That setting is for eye health, not for if you prefer a warm color temp...lol...
@George W Push well aware of that, but there are some that like it even warmer than W50!
Keep up the videos brow i learnd mutch by watching your vids!
I did everything that you showed to do I matched 2000 peak level and when I turn tone mapping on its still way lighter than hgig on or off still dark I have a lg oled c3 evo the game still don’t look super bright it’s only brighter with tonmapping on
Dynamic Tone Mapping is a good option if you like how it looks like in certain games.
Why do that when you have DTM option on the regular menu? If you find the HGIG too dim, just enable DTM and it will do the trick
I showed in the video that OFF is brighter than DTM in some scenes. The main problem with DTM is that it over brightens the darkness.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I see.. Well, I did the tests with my C1 and I found that if I let the MaxCll on "Auto" it performs better on most cases. Maybe it's different for you oled model. Thanks anyway
It's simple, if the Auto selects the correct value then you don't have to do anything, the problem is that that is not the case as far as I can see
THANK YOU FOR THE TIPS KEEP UP THE GREAT JOB
I am gonna try this on Dragon's Dogma 2, that game looks so dark and washed out with HGIG.
Any chance you will do any kind of gaming picture settings for the new LG G4 with a Ps5 pro?
Thanks for the video 👍🏼
If you're G4 is fairly new it might be crushing blacks a little bit. The solution is a 22 point calibration using HGIG go to the lowest code value and increase RGB to 10, then the next one to 8 then 6, 4, 3, 2, 1(try other similar values until you get the near black looking bright enough)
@plasmatvforgaming9648 thank you most kindly, I will try that 😊👍🏼
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Retarded guy here again 😅 how do I do that?
the new nvidia driver 526.98 " - Introduces support for HDR10+ GAMING standard". Any video about that planned?
I didn't know, I will look into it, the C1 doesn't have HDR10+ support though it has Dolby, we just need Dolby vision games
looking to improve graphics I found your channel and I think your content is excellent.... I think the same as you if the content is bad because I have to follow the rules of intention... watching this video one of many I ask you do I use xbox series and ps 5pro on lg c4, these settings in general, since there are many videos, do they work for consoles? Could you tell me if you have a video summarizing everything I have seen in some videos? in advance..I am impressed by your talent!! You go outside the norm to improve and that for me is very good since many think that going outside the norm is a capital sin 😂...I congratulate you in advance...(in fact I have tried some adjustments and the result is incredible)
I don't have a console specific video because I don't have one. For the Xbox I'd use HGIG and if it looks dark just try Dynamic tone mapping Mastering Peak Maxcll to match the peak brightness of the game max out.
@plasmatvforgaming9648 Thank you for answering so quickly...in fact I used it in play with some games and the change is incredible...thanks for the advice...blessings and I hope you continue with such excellent content...
I'm gonna try this method, my problem is the Mortal Kombat 11, Injustice 2, and the Nioh 2 is very dark in native hdr, but when i switch to hlg-hdr image is looks awsome not too dark not too light.
Nioh2 HDR settings for C1: 800 110 HGIG Fine Tune Dark Areas -5
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Is there a video you can refer me to that explains what to do if you don't have the Fine Tune Dark Areas setting?
I've tried different settings on this menu and i notice that it adds input lag while gaming.
The HDMI signaling override menu has no impact on the input lag
It definitely feels different, ill try again and see if it was just a bad connection
Is this possible on a CX?
The menus look different.
Yes, step on Select Mode and press quickly 1113111
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Ok, I did try the settings on PC with Ghost of Tsushima on a CX. Nothing changed. HGiG is still much lower brightness than DTM.
I assume this wouldn't do anything in God of War 1 because there is no peak brightness slider... Right? Thanks for your work.
God of War MaxCLL is 10000nits no matter the slider, that HDR is terrible tbh. Try in game sliders set to 50 38 38 and tone mapping OFF on TV Mastering Peak 10000 MaxCLL 10000.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 thanks! Game devs should be paying you for fixing their poor HDR implementation!
Hi the c1s Max peak brightness is 650 to 750 nits if u override this value to 1500 2000 nits I have a feeling this will increase the risk of burn in or some other issues is this really recommended n safe to do
This is not overriding the peak brightness of the TV, it's just selecting the tone mapping target, meaning when the content MaxCLL is 2000 then the TV maximum peak brightness would be its maximum capabilities
Why use Dtm on for God of war ragnarok? Doesn’t it destroy image, shouldn’t be it dtm off?
I haven't played that one on the PS5 but Gaming Tech recommended DTM if I remember correctly. I'd go with that
Hi, when I try to do this in spiderman or elden ring which has sliders, I only see estimated maxCll around 250-380 nits. What causes this. Its like I cant reach the game's peak brightness level when taking a screen shot with Windows button +G or the xbox button to take a jxr image
Try alt+F1, Spiderman MM MaxCLL is about 1000 when maxing out the sliders
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Alt+F1 on spiderman worked better yes. 554 nits. This is using hgig, No hdmi override settings applied yet. The in-game slider is 1500 nits. HDR enabled, No auto hdr. Is it ok or should I try to get it brighter somewhere?
I think I figured out this. So if the game is not to dim with hgig, then use hgig, adjust the in-game sliders so it matches 797 nits when viewing a bright big object like the sun or like the big elden ring tree in my case.... Then I get bright enough picture in hgig mode.
If that does not help, then its best to use your method with dtm off and master peak and maxCll to whatever the game outputs after doing the same thing as I mentioned above, right?
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 For games without proper sliders or games that have estimated maxCll on something very big. I then used your recommendend hdmi master peak settings, maxed out the brightness level, dtm off and HDR was finally good. Yes the DTM on will be even brighter on some games but it clips hard so detail is difficult to read
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 can you confirm if this doesn work on auto hdr? Because changing hdmi override levels while in auto hdr doesnt do anything. Having dtm to off or hgig on doesnt do anything, the brightness is the same when looking at the screenshot. Is auto hdr using the hdr pc calibrated levels then? DTM on increases the midtone only, but you never loose detail. Tested on that gamepass disney dreamlight game for example.
Hi, Just wondering if you have any settings for watching hdr movies. I know that dolby vision is better. But most movies in 4k are hdr/hdr10+ is it possible do you think? What movies played via VLC where you can adjust the picture on the software?
I would recommend you to do the same thing as with games, take a screenshot and open it with the HDR WCG image viewer app to know the MaxCLL and then use Mastering Peak MaxCLL= to that MaxCLL will tone mapping OFF. The rest of the settings are the same: warm 50 color gamut Auto saturation 55 and the black level in the default 50
Does maxing our peak brightness in games increase midtones? Like for example I use dtm off and Cinema Home all the time and I adjust games accordingly. Even for games that when you set 800 nits midtones are perfect I still use dtm off and Cinema Home preset. So does it Increase midtones even for games that are good HDR when you max out brightness slider or will it stay the same as when you set 800 nits and I mean in a good hdr game where hgig is already bright
When you change the Peak Brightness slider in the game, it could affect the midtones depending on the tone mapping they're using. There are different standards, some prioritize highlight details and lower the midtones as a consequence, some prioritize accuracy, and clip the highlights more. I can see those options when using Lilium shaders tone mapping
What hapens if you were to use "Tone Mapping OFF" but also set the in-game sliders/system calibration sliders to 800 nits (for cx/c1?)
I didn't know about Mastering Peak Maxcll tone mapping OFF settings when I made this video. To use tone mapping OFF or ON always Max out the in-game Peak brightness slider and the Mastering Peak Maxcll to match the game Maxcll, this is to prevent double tone mapping (game tone mapping with the slider plus TV tone mapping)
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 That makes sense. I know I spammed your other video with the 27GR95QE-B questions,but essentially it all boils down to two questions that I have.
1. Since this panel has NO tone mapping options, I am trying to see if the tone curve acts like "Tone Mapping OFF" on an LG C1/CX/etc, or if the tone curve is more or less HGIG but with a sharp roll off rather than just a hard clip.
2. I'm trying to understand how Windows communicates with displays. You mentioned that displays do not send HDR10 metadata to displays (neither to consoles), but that kind of seems to not be the case with this panel, because when I am looking at the win11 calibration app, it clips at around 600 nits. I would expect it to not clip until like 2,000 nits if the panel was defaulting to a 4k nit tone curve (as shown on a the ps5 in hdtvtest's review of this monitor). It seems like windows is communicating with the display so it appears to be using a 1000 nit tone curve (assuming 1k nit is the lowest tone curve it can use. Not super knowledgeable about this so let me know if i'm wrong)
If you know the answers to these or if you have any materials taht I can read to learn more about this, please let me know! I am kind of stuck here.
Thanks again and I appreciate your videos. Great stuff.
On the Monitors Unboxed video, the EOTF tracking looks like a sharp roll off at 650
If the HDR calibration app is clipping at 600, then that's the value. If you see otherwise somewhere else, then the content is the difference. I will check the HDTV test video again and see if I get any other insights
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Dude THANK YOU so much! I've been doing some research into the win11 calibration app and I think the below thread may be interesting to you, if you have not seen this already. What I THINK is happening is that the win11 calibration app is somehow sending the correct HDR10 metadata to the display, unlike the console calibration screens. In the HDTVTest, when you watch it, you'll see that he says that consoles will show clipping at like 4000 nits since the panel has no metadata and defaults to a 4000 nit tone curve. However, as I've explained, when you do the calibration in windows, you see it clipping at like 600, meaning that this calibration app is sending metadata to the display, whereas the console calibration DO NOT. At least that's how I'm understanidng it. If you watch the video, let me know your thoughts! I'm trying to figure this out by reading through all the AVForum posts on the LG OLED TVs.
Link to thread I'm reading about the app and metadata:
hardforum.com/threads/lg-48cx.1991077/page-212
Hey Ariel God of War Ragnarok is dim on HGIG, so should i max out system level calibration to 10000 or to 4000 and dtm off? Thank you
That should work the best.
Dynamic Tone Mapping 10k
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Thank you !
What values to put in max peak and maxcll from the secret menu for highest brightness for my lg 42 c2 oled..currently i have kept both on 1000
Same as I showed, depends on the Game's MaxCLL
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 will 1000 work as a common value for all games...games will not exceed 1000 value right
Not at all, games can do 1500 like SOTTR , 2000 like Cyberpunk max out, or 10000 like Horizon Zero Dawn, you have to know for each game
Also ma did you check sharpness 30 std and fps mode 15, are they looking the same?
I haven't. I'll let you know
I feel this have 2 uses the first the one that you said the game maybe dark with hgig but ive also find some rare games that crushed the highlights because they do a little bit more nits than the nits on your tv so maybe there is another use to this
Yes, for games that do 1000 nits for example this would be the best option
Hi Plasma TV for Gaming!
I think you said on a comment in a earlier video that you have a 17 inch CRT monitor.
I use a CRT monitor as my main monitor for that sweet motion clarity, but don't have a lot of experience with OLED TV's/monitors.
How well does OLED stack up to CRT in motion clarity in your opinion, especially in 24 FPS movie content?
Actually I have that video coming and I will tell you exactly how they compare using the Blur Busters Law and calculating the Motion Clarity, I'm working on it.
For Low frame rate I can tell you right now the CRTs are not the best because they are 60Hz or beyond to avoid visible flickering and having for example 60Hz and 30fps causes double refreshes for each frame. The best 24fps displays Natively are the Plasmas. But in my opinion 24fps is nonsense and it needs to die, I want movies at 120fps at least and if the actors look fake they just need to get better or use AI to lower the frame rate of the facial expressions, but there's nothing cinematic about a 24fps panning shot, it looks horrendous imo. On my LG C1 I use for movies De-Judder 10 Motion Pro Medium and get 240fps like motion Clarity albeit a ton of interpolation artifacts
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Nice man, looking forward to that video!
I have my CRT monitor running at 120 hz, so it divides perfectly into 24, 30 and 60 fps. Isn't that enough or will 24fps native always be better?
Honestly I can't imagine anything having better motion clarity than this, so would love to see how a 24 fps movie on a plasma TV looks :)
Yeah, it would be so cool if they would shoot movies at 120 fps.
Thanks for the settings on your C1. Will definitely check them out when I get my own :)
The CRT looks amazing in motion no matter the Hz, the problem is that if you don't match the FPS of the content with the Hz you get repeated refreshes of the same image, the CRT can't go down to 24Hz because the flickering would be eye searing
Bro why you turn HDR auto you not use hlg why ?!? Explique sir
Here's a full explanation about HDR settings ua-cam.com/video/P-eq1jedgIs/v-deo.html
Instead of forcing HLG over SDR I prefer to do this instead ua-cam.com/video/NBQnZbXTjVc/v-deo.html
So anoying that the hgig so dark, tone mapping on is cool but on all game the UI make everytime the brightness go down...
I've learned a lot since, check out more of my recent videos
What should I set in Nvidia Control Panel? RGB Full or Limited? Or 4:4:4 Limited? Is there something better for gaming or regular desktop use?
RGB Full 10bits. For desktop usage lower the black level to Screen Brightness 46 or the equivalent Fine Tune Dark Areas -16 because all SDR content on Windows is Limited inside the Full HDR container.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Should I only set to 46 in HDR, or can I use 46 in Expert mode? which is what I use when I'm not gaming. And should it be raised back to 50 for gaming? I know you mentioned in a video to tune screen brightness but I never did it so its still at default 50. Also I have yet to experiment with BFI-- Right now I'm just tinkering with HDR for comp gaming to see if its worth it.
Games should be at Full default 50 if they don't have the black level raised. HDR gaming on these OLED is amazing for competitive games because there's no latency penalty at all like in LCDs with local dimming zones
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Ok. Do you know if there is any latency difference between HDR and not? Both with GO picture mode obv.. Thanks
No latency penalty on HDR whatsoever
Do you make a profile for each game in LG Color Control? Must get annoying when games all have different Mastering Peaks.
So I ended up getting a display model C1 since the price of new ones out of state are 2x, LG will replace the panel. This thing is insane, its not acting anything like the first unit I bought. I have not gone into the service menu. I am getting 400 nits full screen white in game mode SDR, PC input, oled light 65, 85 contrast, 50 brightness. I'm not even getting ABL in full screen white applications like word or web pages like Amazon. I use OLED Motion Pro high and the brightness barely dips. The ABL when it does kick in isn't gradual either, seem to blink on now. I'm happy but I don't get why it was so dark and washed out the first time around. I wonder if the LG reps do something to TV apart from put it in retail mode.
I wouldn't take a C2 over this, its insane to me they removed 120hz BFI.
What you are describing on SDR can be achieved by turning on Module HDR on the service menu but that will lower peak brightness on HDR
Just wondering if BFI or motion pro or motion settings could work on the 40ps mode on the latest PS5 games? I dont think so, but maybe you know? These games require to have 120hz mode enabled to get proper pulldown to 40fps by the game. It looks much better then those 30fps games in native 4k, but if bfi could work then the clarity issue could be resolved but with a cost of input lag which is ok for the rpg games that have this mode.
What do you think?
You would get triple images, isn't going to work well
How to know the value of the screenshot for ps5 ?
You'd have to open the ps5 screenshot on a win11 PC using the HDR WCG image viewer app
i just wish there are proper implementations for games im a fan of original settings and this hdr gaming is just chaos.. my old lg fullhd le7500 just died i bought oled c3 and im disappointed cause hdr looks so washed out and dim in tomb raider comparing to sdr colorful deep blacks picture from my old lg tv and it was sdr picture on 12 years old tv! and still these tvs cant match that... many games are either too dark in hgig mode or overbrightened in dtm on mode - mass effect 1 the beginning of the game at eden prime for example too bright with dtm on had to use hgig mode and shadow of tomb raider exactly the opposite without dtm on its unplayable
When the content is good, HGIG should look great. Check out solutions here
ua-cam.com/video/bz4gksfm3HI/v-deo.html
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 thanks for the answer...btw i use hgig and expression enhancer set on brightness for shadow of the tomb its a little better but dtm on is much more closer to how tomb raider looked like in sdr on lg le 7500 in terms of brightness colors and other things...and thats what im saying its totally different and chaotic wirh these hdr modes some scenes even looked more picturesque with old lg tv in many tomb raider scenes where it looks too yellowish on oled
Interesting. I have Cyberpunk 2077 on Xbox Series X and I haven't played it yet. I wonder if it has the same problem on console.
Take a screenshot and open it with the HDR WCG image viewer app on a Windows 11 PC to find out
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 You are so wise in the way of computer wizardry.
What is the peak brightness of this tv? I searched on Google and it said 340 is it right if not what is it???
LG C1 peak brightness 800 nits
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 even if I play on a ps5?
Sure, no matter what device you use, actually the HDR on the PS5 is better implemented in most cases
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 so you sure it will be 800 nits its because I’m going to buy LG c2 on the weekend
@@Kokey_bhai_channel 340 is most likely referring to SDR peak brightness
I can't find this options on my lg c2 55
It works on the C2 for sure, step on Select mode and press quickly 1113111
Great video do you think you can just google what is the max peak brightness of the game and go off those numbers ?
Just take a screenshot on the Xbox and open it on a Win11 PC, otherwise watch my videos or Gaming Tech for the MaxCll, I'm still going to cover games, I just feel like what I've shown is enough for everyone to set the HDR settings on any game without my help
Just got LG C2 and trying to calibrate it for my PS5.
You can try it also on the C2
Ps5 hdr calibration while hgig on or off? Also black level limited or full?
HGIG, leave the black level on Auto and just lower the black level raised (if that's the case) using Fine Tune Dark Areas -16 or alternatively Screen Brightness 46
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 thank you my man
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I can’t find screen brightness settings
Thanks bunch man!
Hi, for god of war ragnarok on PS5.
I tried the following:
Hdmi Input PC mode
DTM off
-Maxed the in game hdr brightness slider to 100
-MaxCll 10000
-Mastering peak 10000
-Maxed the PS5 system hdr calibration.
Result, the image is brighter overall, but I dont see that huge benefit like you said. I cant for some reason get screenshots from PS5 to be in real HDR, so when I read with that hdr+WCG viewer app, its still a sdr picture... Its like its not in the correct format. Ps5 has only jpg, png and of you choose hdr it will be automatic,but regardless its still in sdr when using the app so I do not know what the game is asking..
Any suggestions or am I doing something wrong maybe? Some other settings on tv needs to be off or on? What about the ps5 settings?
I know Gaming Tech takes screenshots from the PS5, I can ask him to find out how he does it and I will mention it in a video. Don't change the brightness in game because that is likely to wash out the picture. You can try to reduce the Mastering Peak MaxCLL 1000 and see if that doesn't clip by eye, it should be brighter than 10000 and the game might be maxed out at 1000
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Yes I would like to know how. Thanks for this!
i have the C2 would the same apply?
Yes
I just got my lg c2 any tip to protect it??
Don't worry about it, burning is not a concern anymore, enjoy it and try to get the best picture quality. I make sure to disable all dimming and protection mechanisms.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 thx I have looked at your videos and some other videos and set the Best settings
Nice. Man. You use bfi with hgig?
Yes, but not with Native HDR, I use the SDR HDR trick, basically Maxing out the SDR HDR slider on win11 and Screen Brightness 46 Force limited on TV while Nvidia control panel RGB Full, then HGIG with Motion Pro High
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 ahh. Okay. but this video you made now. do you use bfi? or did you turn it off
It was off. To get full HDR brightness you can't use BFI, I alternate them.
You can also use this trick for BFI ua-cam.com/video/wIMK_oQirlU/v-deo.html
Wow. Nice Man.. but tombraider loods amezing with bfi om and hgig ?
Sure, I also play it at 100Hz/100fps with Motion Pro High and that's like 263fps sample and hold motion Clarity ua-cam.com/video/nspM7kQ-k7M/v-deo.html
What inch is your tv?
48 inches
Oh a setting i cant use on my b9 oof
I believe you can, search online and see if you have access to that secret menu (HDMI signaling override) using a different code or way.
If not just use Dynamic tone mapping
or just put DTM on :)
Sure