Toro Power Clear 621 QZR Snow-thrower won't start
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This video is for the owners of the Toro Power Clear 621 QZR Snow-thrower. There are a lot of these out there and if they sit with ethanol fuel in them they won't start in late fall. - Навчання та стиль
I have an earlier version of this Toro with a tecumseh engine. Mine was surging too. Cleaned the carb and it's running great now. I just ordered an electric start motor for it off ebay. Saw doublewide6's video installing one on a 2 stage. Mine is setup for it, so for fun I ordered the used starter motor. The videos you guys produce sure have helped me a lot. Thanks Bruce!
It is fun for me to watch other channels too. The different way folks put their videos together. Thanks Mr. Goose :-)
Love the high voltage screwdriver Bruce when you were taking apart the carburetor. Maybe I should use mine when taking apart carbs. LOL! I enjoyed the video.
Thanks as always Joey. I sent you an email but don't know if ti got there????
Thank you for sharing Bruce. I have that same snow thrower,after the first year it wouldn't throw snow. When I took the shroud off, I found the governor pivot was seized solid. I make sure to lube it every spring before storage. Thanks again.
Thanks for the tip Roger
I happen to own a similar snow thrower. been stored for many, many years. this year I'm going to try to start it. with a little work of course. Wish me luck !!. Thanks Bruce for your inspiration many years later.👍
Good luck!
It worked!!! It took me 3 hours, but I eventually got it. There was barely any gum or dirt in the brass jet but I cleaned it anyway with a safety pin, guitar string, and carb cleaner spray. I figured I took the time to disassemble everything that I might as well just clean whatever I can while I have access to it. Thank you!
As a side note, I left the main fuel line attached to the carb, but had to detach the primer fuel line which was a lot easier to remove than the main fuel line. I used a strong 6 inch plastic spring clamp that woodworkers use to hold glued boards together while they dry to clamp-off the main fuel line from dripping fuel on the ground. The hardest part was getting the brass jet out with the screwdriver and thin Allen wrench poking down from the top of the carb. Also remembering how the choke rod pin went back together was tricky and I had to use this video again to remind me how it went back together again. I have the same exact Toro QZR 621 by the way.
That clamp is a great idea.
Bought a used Toro 421qe in really nice shape. It needed paddles,scraper bar, and belt. Replaced. The engine surged abit but the bowl was very clean! Had to find out why. Watched your video and sure enough the jet was somewhat corroded. The holes are super small! I was able to remove it from the carb while it was still attached to the inlet. Runs like a top now. Just wanted to thank you for this very helpful video!
Very nice! You made my day. Reaming out these jets is very delicate.
Thanks Bruce. My 621 will not run smoothly unless the choke is half way out. I believe you put me on the right tract to fixing it. I also use Stable in the tank and my gas can year in and out. I think ill change to seefoam. I think I'm my own worst enemy. Great video and helpful tips. Keep up the great work!
Well a carb cleaned after clogging is the key. I am neutral on Sea Foam. It seems to work well in moist climates. Here out on the plains we don't use it. I wish you all the best. Can you let me know how you make out.
Good one Bruce. Had an old 2 cycle snow broom years ago. My son it it with the car...Good boy!!
Kids are hard on stuff eh!!!
Great job as always Bruce! Another engine with the Bruce Pender stamp of approval on it. Cheers my Friend! Sean~
The owner was happy. He thought it was a coil.
I got the 19" version of this thing a few years back to replace the old two stroke version. In spite of using stabilizer and physically draining the carb the first year, the thing started to hunt during last winter. I was able to get at the carb a little easier than this one, fewer covers I guess. In any event, the carb did have white crusty growth on the nozzle and jet. I can't recall if I pulled that nozzle out or not, but will definitely get it out if this thing acts up again. In the mean time, I figured out why the old two stroke had low compression once warmed up, a stupid compression relief under the coil was carboned up, eliminated it all together. Now the thing has all the compression in the world...Gave it to my brother to use, will probably run another ten years...
Hi Bruce Great work as always. My sons father in law had a Honda thrower simular to that Toro brand new. He said he ran it for a few minutes and it died then he said he couldn't pull the rope like it was seized. So when he had me look at it I noticed it still had the tag on it that said to add oil before starting and sure enough he never put oil in the only thing in the engine was burned up assembly lube. When I told him this he said he put oil in he was very adamant. So I told him to take it to a shop. Haven't heard what ever came of it
Yes I have seen that. I also saw a brand new 20 inch Stihl chain saw burn up because the gas was to lean ouch eh!!!.
well done again bruce happy new year to you and your family.
Thanks so much Kevin. Same to you.
I was able to get the jet out while still on the machine. But I probably wouldn't have even attempted it without this video. The most difficult step was finding a screwdriver to fit the brass plug. An Enderes 4-in1 screwdriver from Sears did the job. Once the plug was out I just needed to give the jet a little push up from the bottom and it fell right out. I had two of the smallest holes clogged but there was no green crud on mine. I used some wires pulled from a wire brush. After putting it back together, I needed to hit the primer bulb about 10x, and it started right up.
Good for you !!!
As always Bruce great job!
I appreciate that
Bruce great job as you always seem to do!!!
Well thanks Mr. Nash. I do mess up the odd job But this was a very new machine.
Good work Bruce another successful surgery!
Thanks Chris All the best in 2018
Bruce Pender you to buddy
Nice video. Everything always seems to point back to the carborator with those 1 and 2 stage engines. We pay so much money to..
Hey Bruce, I know it was branded TORO. But, the valve cover and carb looked very similar to my Honda Pressure Washer. That was a pain to work around all of the plastic covers. Well, it would have been for me. Thanks for sharing it.
Like is said in the video it is like working on those little suitcase generators too.
Thank you Bruce I just got the same machine in for a friend I appreciate the sneak peak I'll let you know how I made out.
Thanks
Saw some blowers today. Starting at 600 franks. Just looking not buying ;-) Ethanol strikes again. hope you had great new year.
You to.. Also to your family.
Nice job, Mr. Pender. We don't get a lot of snowblowers to work on here in Louisiana so I find them interesting. A small suggestion if I may ...whenever you have to squirt "long distance" with your two-cycle primer gas you might try putting an appropriate length of plastic tubing on the end of your spout. Less mess to clean up and all that. Again, fine job, young man.
YOUNG MAN wow. I do have a tube. I use it on my John Deere tractor. But I should use it more Thanks EX
Bruce Pender, you are welcome, sir.
Great job. Its cold down south 2 degrees in west Tenn.
That is cold for you guys man. 2F is -16C That is even Crispy for us. But we average - 13 and night and warmer in the day here Alberta Canada. We are equipped for it though
Very good fix. Solvents in the carb cleaner really is tough on latex gloves. :-)
I know they just disintegrate.
Nice job. Nearly new machine, eh. I like those little snowthrowers, even though they're mainly plastic, for light snows, maybe up to 5-6", but also keep around a 2-stage for heavier and wetter snow. Those rubber paddles are nice for sweeping the concrete almost bare of snow.
73honda350 Oh, do not be deceived by the little plastic thingy view. Ive got this same machine and it just about lives for the plow wall at end of driveway. Handles it like a champ. There's a reason Consumer Reports gave it a thumbs up, which is how it got in my garage after the bigass, Craftsman behemoth. 😂
I look after 20 driveways and my Toro 721R blew away everything,,wet and slushy, knee deep,, it works better than my 6 year old 2 stage 24 inch compact ariens. The paddles are wider on the one stage which makes it much better to deal with the wet / slushy stuff,,all the 2 stage did was burp it out. = useless
@@jimsmith7716 My neighbor has a 2 stage beast and he still has nearly an inch sitting there when he's done. I clear mine in half the time with the 721 and you can see the concrete. Swapping the paddles and scraper every few years is no big deal. Kudos to the guy at Ace hardware for convincing me to go this route.
Great job Bruce!
Thanks Tony. Lots of guys like these little blowers.
those are actually great machines,we used the commercially clearing sidewalks because they wont damage the surface. sounds like a winner to me!!!
Lots of folks like them. Thanks Roger
Nice video. BTW, I call all those machines snow throwers. Unlike a leaf blower that makes no actual contact with leaves, snow throwers do actually make contact with snow. I have seen people use leaf blowers to clear snow too, though, so I think they could be called leaf and snow blowers. Not a big deal; we all know what we're talking about anyway. 👍
Thanks Ron
Very good item. Worked very well.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks to the nasty ethanol fuel ....You will be an expert on those Honda clone carbs !!! ...I have 2 Honda engines and a Greyhound one that have these carbs ..so thanks for the educating videos on them
Thank you for watching Jim
Very nicely done.
Thanks Knighthawk
Good job with that snowblower/snowthrower there bruce
Thanks. I don't know if they are a snow thrower but that is what I call them
Deck sweeper? Gazified shoveler? :P
Nice job Bruce
Thank you Joe
Hi Bruce, great video! I have a similar unit , the carb needs to be looked at, thanks for the tips. Just wondering when we will get more snow, eh.
These are little carbs and they need cleaning if they sit for a while. Good luck.
Thanks again Bruce! Suggestion....buy better gloves than those HB cheapers!
You are tight. At least I had a set on :-)
I take the main jet out and then shove torch tip cleaner kind of like pipe cleaners up the emulsion tube and they force their way into those little holes and I can keep the carburetor on the unit works like a charm
I used those on my last little carb. It worked. Thanks
Was this problem ethanol related? Are the fuel lines breaking down causing these problems? If so, would it be wise to install a fuel line shut off valve near the tank and run the engine dry until it stops on its own? My small Ariens has a factory installed fuel shut off, I am wondering if these small Toros have a factory fuel shut off.
@@algorel4763 no they dont
great job well done
Thanks Mr. Driveshaft :-)
great fix bruce
Thanks EB
Happy new year Bruce. ZED always ZED non phonetically, Zulu phonetically, ZEE is a brand of toilet paper. No I am not a Canuck or a Limey, I'm a Yank :-) Thanks for the videos. I watch donyboy73 too.
His videos are so accurate eh!!!
Try using TruFuel instead of regular gas station gas. I've had great luck with that type and no issues with start up. A smidge pricey but piece of mind knowing that my fuel won't be the issue when I'm getting ready to "throw" some snow.
Yes it is good stuff.
thanks for this ...
Very helpful , thanks .
Thanks for watching
Nicely done.
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great job we just finished a 7000 watt generator that had a bad AVR and missing brushes also a 20 tone log spliter that had a gas tank and engine and carb full of water also missing parts lol its fun chasing missing stuff
Being as I am in western Canada I just hate looking for parts online as they cost a fortune or "We do not ship to Canada"
10.00 for carb bolt that bolts the tank to carb that they dont make any more lol
Hey Bruce ! Great video as always 😎 Question, when you check the oil you just leave it as if you were going to push it to blow snow and check it that way , correct ? You DON’T lift the handle up to check it. I’m fixing one for my neighbors and have never worked on this type before! Thanks ! Keep up the great work! 😎
what ever it is i check it with the engine lever. This was w while back for me.
Great video Bruce! I have the same model snowblower and am quite new to DIY. I was wondering if you would know how fix a loose pull cord on this thing? I was able to take apart most of the unit but I can’t seem to figure out how to get to the recoil part.
It comes off with the entire engine cover (going by memory. )
Before today’s gas with ethanol in it, I wonder how many repairs were fuel related vs. the amount today? I have read that about 8 out of ten non start and hard running conditions are fuel related these days. I was thinking about how hard small engines work for people today. Despite the neglect and lack of maintenance, they keep chugging along surprisingly long.
They do. When one comes in that isn't a carb I make sure the video camera is going.
Makes you wonder what small engine shops used to do in the winter before Ethanol. 😂🤣😂
nice job thanks for the video
Like I said a lot of older guys like these things.
well i am 75 years old and do some mower and snow blower repairs i have learned a few thing watching yiur videos thanks
Here's the EASY thing to try first. I watched another video where a guy sells a carb cleaner kit for about $40. It screws into the threads that hold the float bowl on. It back flushes through there. What the heck, I thought. I went to Menards and bought a $3 can of carb cleaner spray. I shoved the tube up that bowl tube and sealed the gap with my fingers. Sprayed for a few seconds. Then removed the intake air box and sprayed into that. I then worked the float up and down while spraying towards the valve. Some fresh gasoline and it started and ran well! I have the EXACT same model as shown.
Sounds great. Do you have any info on the video or the product. Hopefully you can cut and paste the info into your reply.
Thanks Bruce
@@BrucesShop cleancarburator.com. Sells gum blaster.
Happy New Year Bruce. Was reason for thin oil that gas leaked through the carb?
I don't think it was leaking but the carb needed cleaning.
I was about to suggest taking the jet out while the carb was still on ,,saw another video where a guy did it. But further into your video you did mentioned that you almost got it out
Right Thanks
very helpful i know where 2 start
That is so cool.
Do you recommend putting some loctite around the auger bolt threads?
Sure why not. I don't think i did though.
Wish I had your knowledge of carbs. I suck at carbs.
Just take everyone apart you can and you will be great at it.
Great job should work great now.
Ethanol fuel and machines sitting around keeps me busy
Since you've had the cover off of a Toro, you would be a good person to ask. Was wondering when you thought the fuel filter should be changed. Nothing in the manual about it.
Well you get a sense of the hours on a machine. I don't remember if this one had a fuel filter. There is usually one in the tank. Sorry i am rushing as i have a funeral tomorrow.
That's totally ok. Thank you for taking the time!
well done......
Thanks Joe
Thanks
you are welcome
good vid! looks kinda like the gunk caused by fuel stabilizer... who knows what it is tho
Just crud from regular fuel (ethanol)
mine always surges now. i hate how finicky the carb is in this thing. i've replaced it once, and it probably needs a good cleaning again. i am sure to run it very dry with treated fuel in the end of winter but it still gives me troubles.
Did you ream the main jet a bit. It is tough to get right though.
Hey Bruce, after you got it running the first time, do you think Seafoam would have cleaned the emulsion tube enough to fix the surging issue?
No. I am not a sea foam fan. That is just me though. I know a lot of folks who like it. I use straight Methyl Hydrate.
@@BrucesShop As long as customers treat with something. 😂
I DO have one of these. Don't even think about taking it out if you've only got 2 or 3 inches. Gets an attitude and spits it out backwards on your feet. 🙄😂 Had it 4 or 5 years, run empty every spring, starts first try every winter. Its had a little oil leak for a couple of years. If only you lived closer...
The guy who owns it loves it.
I have a single stage MTD blower and the belt cover keeps losing screws. Any suggestions on how to keep them in? Increase the size of the thread? Removable loc-tite? I only have 2 left holding the whole cover on.
Can you rethread to the next size up?? You can also get the thread attachements. This is a canadian amazon site but something like this.
www.amazon.ca/Threaded-Inserts-Stainless-Helicoil-Assortment/dp/B07BK2GPX4/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?dchild=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAjp6BBhAIEiwAkO9Wuq6Q6F36T8enX7toSv4ol7wC11zr-CHOzk0tFeRHtEe32pvTXpzWPRoCbdkQAvD_BwE&hvadid=267113726538&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9001355&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=b&hvrand=2446264058218700189&hvtargid=kwd-297983816596&hydadcr=27178_9825079&keywords=thread+insert+kit&qid=1613257725&sr=8-2-spons&tag=googcana-20&psc=1&smid=A2KRDQ1AI5Y5G6&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzUzhPM1pUUzE2MUwyJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwOTI2NTkxMjlMSlZUMjIzS0ZDTCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMjU1NDUwQ1JBT0RIRVM1UUxXJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==
OK, this carb seems like mine...Except mine has the jet threaded in from the side, but the nozzle threads out....My nozzle had a white coating on it, had to soak the nozzle and jet before the thing would run OK again. Never had issues like this with the old simple two stroke tecumseh carb... And yes, the oil is pain to fill, you really need a long thin goose neck funnel. It is easy to understand how people might tilt the darn thing back to fill it resulting in too much oil...
Thanks again
Bruce do the oem carburetors on this unit have issues. Mine has been replaced about two or three years ago. Today I ran it to take gas out for season, and it leaked out again thru the overflow.
Should I get a universal replacement Carb? Could use your help, thanks.
No i think the needle and seat are getting contaminated with something. They get gummed up from sitting too. If your gas is older that a month old I would get new gas. I mean when the gas was purchased from the gas station. Good luck
@@BrucesShop Thanks Bruce, I only use Premium fuel. How are non oem carbs?
I am frustrated with this blower. It starts once in a year only and then I manually clean the heavy snow for the rest of the season. This blower is expensive but does not work.....
Just my 2 cents it’s probably bad gas
Where did you get that cart to work on?
This is the best way
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after drooling from holding a damn flashlight in my mouth for enough years, i got fed up & bought a 3 pack of LED headlamps on amazon.
My old neck won't point the light in the correct spot. Thanks for the fun.
I have the same model is back firing where should I look 1st
It may have a valve issue. Take off the valve cover. Check to see if the valves are not properly set on the rocker arms.
Mine is surging pretty bad is it the carb as well?
Yes. These are very surgy. I would clean the carb first.
wish you had shown how to drain the carburetor of the remaining fuel. Which nut to loosen etc.
Well i guess it would be the one that drains. Well besides the humour it is the one on an angle
Was the primer working?
Yes. I always check but not always on camera. It is tough to fit it all in being an amateur film maker haha
Use Non-Ethanol fuel. I have a Toro 621 that is 7 years old and never had anything but Non-Ethanol run thru it. Starts up every winter and never had the carburetor off of it.
Yes I usually mention it in every video. Thanks for the advice.
It seems the fuel is the culprit here. The machine looks like it's never been used. Nice to hear your praying for it to run. LOL
Thanks Steve. Hey it has warmed up a bit here. Still pretty cold there eh!!!
Those fussy emulsion jets!
Right. You know
At 11:55 mark your gloves at looking a little tattered. Lol. The reason why I laugh is I have NEVER made it through a job without those 5 OR 7 mil gloves not ripping. If you don't wear your gloves though, some armchair quarterback will jump all over you. Seems to me they are missing the point of the instruction and handing out a grade for your performance. MAKE YOUR OWN VIDEO! Thats what goes through my mind.(still laughing) Heres the best use for those gloves when the job is over. Clean hands with orange cleaner and put on the gloves. 5 minutes later,remove gloves and wipe with paper towel before messing up the kitchen sink with grease. Happy Wife,Happy Life. Wow, that was a tangent ehh? Happy New Year buddy.
Thanks so much Mr. Zombie.
That’s my machine and I just took it to the shop to fix it because won’t start
Best of luck.
I am not very mechanically inclined but I'm better than my dad was. I've watched a lot of carb cleaning videos and I think, for me, I'd be better off cleaning jet holes with a "sturdy" fishing line than a thin wire. Otherwise, I know I'd screw something up, widen a hole or something. Especially cuz the carb on my current mower is all (or mostly) plastic.
You could use the wire from inside a twist tie.
I've heard that - would it keep the gas fresh, like it does bread?? ;-) (everyone's a comedian!)
I call them snow scoots
That is a good name.
This is helpful but I just wanna set mine on fire.
These little devils can be hard to work on. Keep going. You will get it.
Same as a Harbor Freight 99.00 clone engine.
Could be. Looks like a Honda eh!!!
Almost all brands use the briggs & stratton motors from china these days.
Very bad video. He kept jumping and not showing what he was doing. Lot of talking.
Well I understand. However, you are not watching a Steven Spielberg production. I went to your channel and noticed you have not made any videos. So, I will make you a deal!!! I will make sure I improve my videos and at the same time I want you to make one video of something you like. I will watch it and enjoy your effort. This is a very difficult thing to do on a budget as there is only one person producing the entertainment. There is no one else doing this. Including----- Ideas, Filming, Production and Editing, Sound and Lighting. I hope you enjoy my other productions and I truly want you to enjoy my other videos.
Let me know when you make a video.
Bruce Pender
A Retired Guy Making Videos.
I see you can't take a constructive critique. Bad taste.