Dropping The Ball: Dragon Ball Z’s DEPRESSING 30th Anniversary Set + Its FULL History on Home Video

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  • Опубліковано 24 чер 2020
  • ORIGINAL UPLOAD DATE: April 30, 2019
    I'll leave it up to your imagination why the original version was taken down over a year after its original upload ^_^
    June 2020 Update on the DBZ Home Release Situation:
    - The 30th Anniversary set came and went, and was, indeed, hot garbage.
    - Sadly, the entirety of the video remains up to date and completely relevant. The fanbase continues to wait for the perfect, DBZ home release. There is no end to that wait in sight.
    --Original Description--
    Dropping The Ball: Dragon Ball Z’s DEPRESSING 30th Anniversary Collector's Edition Blu Ray Box Set + DBZ's FULL History on Home Video in North America!
    Today we take a look at the all new upcoming 30th anniversary Blu Ray set of Dragon Ball Z, and why it looks to be quite possibly the worst release of Dragon Ball Z yet. We also take a journey through 20 years to take a look at the complete history of Dragon Ball Z home releases in North America. By taking a closer look at all of DBZ’s highs and lows over the years, only then can we gain the perspective needed to understand why this new 30th anniversary set is so disappointing to so many longtime fans. Enjoy the (often painful) trip down memory lane everyone!
    For more fun Dragon Ball Super and Dragon Ball FighterZ content please hit that like button and subscribe to my channel, because there is so much more to come and 2019 is going to be an absolutely crazy year for Dragon Ball!
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  • @itspaidrealestate4096
    @itspaidrealestate4096 Рік тому +1441

    TFS:”Please support the official release”
    The official release:

    • @RayenZYT
      @RayenZYT Рік тому +10

      i dont get it

    • @SilveeYT
      @SilveeYT Рік тому +149

      ​@@RayenZYT, the joke they're making is how Team Four Star (TFS) suggests we support the official release, yet this is how Toei and Funimation treats the "official release."
      It's better off to support Dragon Ball Z Abridged (DBZA) than the original show. 😆

    • @ShiningTaiga
      @ShiningTaiga Рік тому +26

      @@SilveeYT i’d rather support the Singaporean dub over TFS

    • @DaxSchaffer
      @DaxSchaffer Рік тому +51

      I like to think Ghost Nappa was actually the one responsible for all these terrible re-releases. Like, he just kept bugging someone at Funimation while saying it would make them all rich.

    • @SilveeYT
      @SilveeYT Рік тому +14

      @@ShiningTaiga, I feel that, absolutely. There are many things wrong with the DBZA dub I don't think the fandom is willing to admit it, mostly because of the nostalgia they feel about it, which is understandable for them.

  • @SoupSonic705
    @SoupSonic705 3 роки тому +807

    I think the reason why most dbz clips online are from the Orange Bricks is probably because the colors are SO over saturated, the copyright ID possiblity has trouble recognizing the footage (and I know this myself) I've uploaded clips from orange bricks one or two times, and they got copyrighted for the Faulcorner music, not the footage. So I tried to upload a Dragon Box clip, and Boom.. insta copyright block.

    • @Vishnu_Karthik
      @Vishnu_Karthik 2 роки тому +209

      Lmao imagine fucking up the image quality so bad the copyright system doesn't even recognize it XD

    • @segbruhgaming2891
      @segbruhgaming2891 Рік тому +37

      Thats one to thank the Orange Bricks for I guess

    • @Fusion991
      @Fusion991 Рік тому +3

      That's simply not correct but a good observation.

    • @TurtleCraftZ1
      @TurtleCraftZ1 Рік тому +40

      That's pretty funny, it's probably not why most clips are from the bricks though
      Copyright protection online was a totally different game 10-15 years ago, older uploads probably wouldn't have even been targeted by copyright claims because companies just didn't have ways of doing things about it just yet. You used to be able to find full episode uploads on UA-cam, lol

    • @walterwhite4398
      @walterwhite4398 Рік тому +12

      @@TurtleCraftZ1 i mean we got the entire 2 hours of tournament of power on youtube and it still hasn't been taken down

  • @bionicleanime
    @bionicleanime Рік тому +88

    4:15 Original Releases
    8:08 Ultimate Uncut Set
    11:06 Dragon Boxes (Japan)
    12:54 Ultimate Box Unfinished
    13:48 Orange Season Sets
    25:35 Dragon Boxes (America)
    27:46 Kai
    30:29 Level Sets
    33:29 Home Release Breakdown
    37:30 Oversaturation
    38:59 Blu-ray Season Sets
    44:04 30th Anniversary Set
    55:47 Message to Funimation
    In conclusion, back in the day Funimation REALLY should have just finished the Uncut sets first to see how well they would be received. After that, negotiate with Toei to bring over the Dragon Sets instead of creating the Orange Bricks. It would have made them much more money and please fans everywhere. Take a break while Kai was running THEN bring out the Level Sets to give DBZ the respect it deserves. Too bad that isn't the world we live in.

    • @HeroTheHedgehog999
      @HeroTheHedgehog999 Рік тому +7

      Yeah I agree with this to be honest. Dragon Ball fans are just done dirty these days.

    • @unkono
      @unkono 5 місяців тому

      Sounds like Funimation wanted to make as much money as possible as fast as possible.

    • @elijahechicagobearsboyd5734
      @elijahechicagobearsboyd5734 2 місяці тому

      And that’s why they’re finally dead…

  • @harveyplissken4604
    @harveyplissken4604 3 роки тому +338

    With the entire original broadcast audio for all 508 episodes of the complete Dragon Ball saga finally being leaked online by dedicated fans, it's very possible that maybe there won't be any need for us to wait for Funimation to release their ultimate sets. You know how Star Wars fans often sell and buy physical Blu-Ray copies of Harmy's Despecialized Editions on places like Ebay and Etsy? I think that approach can work well for the Dragon Ball community. I understand that piracy and bootleg media can be a touchy subject to some, but sometimes you just get sick of waiting for these companies to get their shit together. I'm even more excited about the prospect of fan-made Blu-Ray Dragon Boxes for Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT (DB and GT especially, since those two have never been released on Blu-Ray). When that happens, I don't think I will ever buy another Dragon Ball release from Funimation again for as long as I live.

    • @RAG3Xbox
      @RAG3Xbox 3 роки тому +29

      Shit when that happens hmu and mail it to me. But for now torrents with broadcast audio will have to do

    • @EnigmaBarry
      @EnigmaBarry 3 роки тому +75

      "We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem," he said. "If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable." ~ Gabe Newell, CEO and founder of Valve talking about Steam to Escapist Magazine.
      Edit: It's from "The Cambridge Student", but Escapist Magazine reported on it.

    • @Outta-hz1ej
      @Outta-hz1ej 2 роки тому +3

      nyaa dot si, baby!

    • @andrewk7800
      @andrewk7800 2 роки тому +18

      It's a no Brainer that funimation should have done a dragon box blu ray but here we are. Would love to see any fan edits or masters of dbz!

    • @polocatfan
      @polocatfan Рік тому +14

      nah Dragon Ball is one of the few series where almost everyone involved with its creation (besides Toriyama) suck. Toei has been false flagging videos on youtube in underhanded ways that even got youtube mad. funimation just sucks in general. crunchyroll is crunchyroll. piracy is 100% morally correct here even if there was an amazing home release.

  • @nappokaikai
    @nappokaikai 3 роки тому +505

    it makes me incredibly sad that this video is researched incredibly well and in high quality yet it can't even hit 100k views

    • @EonTheAien
      @EonTheAien 3 роки тому +65

      I'm actually fairly sure that it got alot of views.
      That is, before Toei copystriked it to oblivion and stopped it from being viewed in America.

    • @nappokaikai
      @nappokaikai 2 роки тому +25

      @@EonTheAien typical toei

    • @Fusion991
      @Fusion991 Рік тому +15

      Don't be sad. As much as Tony StrongStyle and others wish they could be part of the original fan base and even pretend to be never will...Him jumping on the bandwagon crying about these sets is such overkill and has been going on for 15+ years now. Then again it's just for views/monetization/drama/unoriginal content. If you were around in the time when internet wasn't really a thing and physical media was the only way to watch something on your own time without catching it on tv you wouldn't really care. Obviously anyone who is watching the show would like the best possible quality possible and I understand the significance of preserving the show as it was originally shown. However, having access to Vegeta and Freeza saga uncut with accurate subtitles was an absolute orgasm for fans such as myself. It was like stepping into the forbidden. Yes, as soon as I popped the DVD in I was like "Huh, this doesn't look that great" but then again terms like "remastered" and "HD" meant nothing to me at the time. There are people out there who truly can articulate why this stuff is so terrible on a technical level like Ajay and if I had his level of knowledge maybe I'd be more bitter. Tony is just jumping on that wagon saying a whole lot but not really saying anything at the same time. There's no right way to watch the show as long as you are enjoying it and maybe if Tony spent 1 hour downloading a pixelated 30 second clip on 56 kbps internet back in the day he'd be throwing less of a tantrum.

    • @jalene150
      @jalene150 Рік тому +2

      Over 90000 views now! Almost there

    • @kalosianporygon
      @kalosianporygon Рік тому +1

      95k views on August 18, 2022.

  • @hrnbrigade4991
    @hrnbrigade4991 3 роки тому +94

    *IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE* is almost a sick joke. This was a comment on the original video.

  • @TheTraveller777
    @TheTraveller777 3 роки тому +268

    Companies like Funimation need to look at the bigger picture and realize doing multiple "Remasterings" is costing money. Just do it right once and re-package the same material every few years. But I guess they have to actually care as well.
    The company that releases the Pokemon series here in Australia does just this, maybe once a year or so they refresh the packaging, or put out a deluxe set with the same disks. They continue to sell.

    • @blizzy2604
      @blizzy2604 3 роки тому +4

      Would you be talking about Beyond who distributes Pokemon in Australia? They also did this with their Nickelodeon releases.

    • @TheTraveller777
      @TheTraveller777 3 роки тому +12

      @@blizzy2604 Yeah Beyond. Every year or so they redo the marketing and art or change the cases on the Pokemon DVDs.
      Sometimes doing a special edition collection as well, plus they used to have some sampler type sets with some collected episodes.

    • @FourteenthAngel
      @FourteenthAngel 2 роки тому +7

      The reason why they keep releasing the series every couple of years is because they know people will buy them regardless. The orange bricks ever after all these years still sell in spite of their quality simply because it is most easily accessible version the series.

    • @nerdking1019
      @nerdking1019 2 роки тому

      Also I don’t buy DVD’s anymore. Streaming and downloads from iTunes

    • @nerdking1019
      @nerdking1019 2 роки тому +1

      @@FourteenthAngel it’d be nice to see them re released other series

  • @nbk2164
    @nbk2164 3 роки тому +401

    it’s so sad that the level sets got cancelled. that by far would’ve been the best way to watch DBZ in NA

    • @craigime
      @craigime 3 роки тому +49

      right... i don't why they didn't just wait and continue with the level sets instead of the 30th anniversary edition

    • @Vishnu_Karthik
      @Vishnu_Karthik 2 роки тому +27

      NA? more like the world! Kai Blu Ray colours are very weird and it just gets rid of most of the grain.

    • @freezasama5802
      @freezasama5802 Рік тому +14

      they oversaturated the market they realised look we have all these products we should release them in one go instead of waiting year by year which destroyed the project entirely such a shame they don't know how to handle DVD sets at all

    • @teedeeproductions
      @teedeeproductions Рік тому +6

      The problem was that it released at the wrong time, it could’ve been the best way to watch it. I hope one day they get around to it again.

    • @saiyanlives9872
      @saiyanlives9872 Рік тому +2

      @@craigime the level sets was very expansive to make if they did that the set wouldnt be 349,99 but yeah i wish they bring them back too or dragon boxes on blu ray

  • @MDLuffy1234YT
    @MDLuffy1234YT 3 роки тому +163

    The series premiere of DBZ Kai was the first anime I ever watched. I genuinely shat my pants in excitement when raditz grab the farmer's bullet. I know for a fact that a feeling like that will never ever occur in my life ever again.

    • @djrancho2232
      @djrancho2232 3 роки тому +3

      which premiere vortex?

    • @AKUNJIG
      @AKUNJIG Рік тому +16

      Damn! You made me feel old. The first scene I remember from DBZ was when Yamcha was killed by the Sibermen in the 90s. This was the Ocean Dub where they didn't show dead bodies so his body was edited out, but showed how heavy the tension was on the show.

    • @charles67198
      @charles67198 Рік тому +7

      it was the dbz Kai release that got me invested in anime back in middle school, it caused me to actually look up the whole series and fallow the story, I've been hooked on anime ever since, super is absolute trash

    • @kazi1
      @kazi1 Рік тому +1

      @@charles67198same

    • @LordMalice6d9
      @LordMalice6d9 Рік тому +1

      @@AKUNJIG One of my earliest memories of DBZ was Androids 16, 17 and 18 driving around in a van stealing clothes and getting into road rages with biker gang in the early 2000's! Lol.

  • @punkco990
    @punkco990 3 роки тому +102

    Rip old video, well not really dead but in view purgatory. I’m glad you uploaded it again.

  • @ashsg4198
    @ashsg4198 3 роки тому +705

    Well seems like it's a pirate's life for me

  • @nicogonzalez7860
    @nicogonzalez7860 Рік тому +90

    It has been bugging me because I couldn’t figure out why Sean Schemmel sounded so much better in the Saiyan Arc and then at some point after arriving in Namek, he sounded new to the roll. Now I know why haha.

    • @HistoryandReviews
      @HistoryandReviews Рік тому +1

      😂

    • @asherzerbib3461
      @asherzerbib3461 7 місяців тому

      They wanted Sean to redub his characters as well (at least in the Ginyu Saga) but he wasn’t available being too busy in New York at the time. Probably played a part in why redubbing became less and less common as the sets went on until it just stopped altogether by the final ones except for Ox King and the Narrator (and he was stopped after "Season 6" himself).

    • @JORDAN23TV
      @JORDAN23TV 7 місяців тому +3

      Yeah that transition is terrible

  • @SEGbruhproductions
    @SEGbruhproductions Рік тому +12

    Okay so update:
    The orange bricks somehow are still in stores (don't know how)
    The Blu Ray Season sets are walmart exclusives now with 3 season box sets
    Crunchyroll is now releasing Walmart exclusive DragonBall Super season box sets
    And Crunchyroll also released an entire new complete set of super
    Another update: Crunchyroll is re-releasing DragonBallZ yet again
    It's happening again, 2011 all over again..

  • @supasaiyan5884
    @supasaiyan5884 11 місяців тому +21

    Kai is the definitive way for me. It's fast paced, it's faithful as much as possible to the original manga by Toriyama and it has a better English Dub and a HQ Japanese Dub. It's not a flawless release but it's not a bad one either.

    • @DevilHunter1994
      @DevilHunter1994 10 місяців тому +6

      Totally agree. While I do miss some of the filler episodes that were cut, (like some of the Gohan training episodes in the Saiyan Saga) most of them I can happily do without. Also, as somone who prefers watching anime with an English dub...I just find the original Funimation DBZ dub to be really hard to go back to, especially in those early seasons. I say this as someone who grew up with that original English dub on Toonami. It was a part of my childhood, and I'll always have some fondness for it, but it's not something I can revisit now. Kai's more faithful, and manga accurate english translation of the script was exactly what I needed, and the performances from the returning English cast were great. I even enjoyed, and in some cases outright loved, the new additions to the cast. People may have mixed opinions on Bluma, or young Gohan, and that's fair enough, even though I disagree. Chris Ayres though (may he rest in peace) as Frieza was absolutely flawless, and I will hear no arguments to the contrary...I'm half kidding with that last statement of course, but in all seriousness, Chris' Frieza was so damn good.

    • @unkono
      @unkono 8 місяців тому +4

      It's also in true HD.

  • @blakewilliams5627
    @blakewilliams5627 3 роки тому +105

    The one thing I don’t understand is, Funimation should still have the 4:3 masters from the original 3 episodes per dvd release, so why don’t they just put those in a box set to make 4:3 fans happy until a 1080p-4K remasters is cheap enough to do. It’s literally the least Funimation could do to somewhat satisfy American dbz fans.

    • @John_Smith77
      @John_Smith77 3 роки тому +37

      If they do that, then they won’t be able to continually squeeze every penny they can out of you whenever they decide to release a new shitty version of a tv show held near & dear to the hearts of a bunch of dumb, gullible dorks with plenty of disposable income.

    • @ToastyMann
      @ToastyMann 2 роки тому +14

      They could also try to get the HD masters Toei has. I've heard the Japanese Blu-Rays look pretty good, and at one point DBZ was on Netflix in Japan, so I used a VPN to watch it and it looked great! I don't get why Funimation doesn't try to get these prints from Toei, and if they already tried idk why Toei didn't just give it to them.

    • @forza8719
      @forza8719 2 роки тому +1

      @@John_Smith77 exactly.

  • @iwbaracker
    @iwbaracker 3 роки тому +176

    Hopefully in the future we can get a perfect release.
    Frame-by-frame remaster and color corrected
    Japanese broadcast audio
    Dragon Box Style Packaging and Extras
    Hot-swappable between languages and manga-accurate subtitles
    Optional scores for different fans (Falconer-Kikuchi etc)

    • @harveyplissken4604
      @harveyplissken4604 3 роки тому +27

      I don't know about that. With the entire broadcast audio being leaked online recently, perhaps there might not be any need for us to wait for Funimation and/or Toei to make the perfect set. If the Star Wars fandom is able to restore the theatrical cuts of the original trilogy and give us the option to either download them digitally or buy physical Blu-Ray copies of them, what exactly is stopping the Dragon Ball community from doing the exact same thing with the entire 508 episode original run of Dragon Ball?

    • @iwbaracker
      @iwbaracker 3 роки тому +2

      Harvey Plissken I guess your right

    • @pjjulian5243
      @pjjulian5243 3 роки тому +5

      Good luck that aint happening!!!

    • @Gilby1385
      @Gilby1385 3 роки тому +7

      And most importantly, the edited Ocean/Saban dubs and the alternate Westwood dubs!

    • @iwbaracker
      @iwbaracker 3 роки тому

      @@pjjulian5243 LMAO

  • @wompastompa3692
    @wompastompa3692 3 роки тому +76

    TFW pirating a rip of the JP release from the mid 2000s and pairing it with a set of fan made subtitle files is currently a better option than any of the legal ways of getting the show in NA.

    • @ladyinwight
      @ladyinwight 3 роки тому +30

      the best way to prevent piracy is to make sure the product you're selling is actually good. funimation (and many other companies for that matter) don't seem to understand that.
      and some of the companies that do sell good products only have like $300 collectors edition blu-rays instead of also selling normal ones (see devilman crybaby and eizouken blu-rays)

  • @treebotreviews
    @treebotreviews Рік тому +48

    Can confirm that the orange bricks are STILL on shelves at Walmart. Seasons 1-4 are available in bundlesand that's it.

    • @unkono
      @unkono Рік тому

      I saw them in 2021

    • @paperluigi6132
      @paperluigi6132 Рік тому +2

      I’ve seen them there almost everytime I go to that section of Walmart.

    • @jakighcolburnchannel3584
      @jakighcolburnchannel3584 Рік тому +3

      Not only that. They decided it was a good idea to repackage the widescreen blu rays into bundle sets despite the more recent 30th anniversary/steelbook releases being a thing and just using those.

    • @treebotreviews
      @treebotreviews Рік тому

      @@jakighcolburnchannel3584 the widescreens aren’t terrible but they could be better.

    • @treebotreviews
      @treebotreviews Рік тому

      @@jakighcolburnchannel3584 HOWEVER. I still think the best way to get the series now is uncut Kai.

  • @jeremydrew1227
    @jeremydrew1227 2 роки тому +38

    That redubbed of the Ocean episodes explains why the voice actors of Funimation sound far better then when we first heard them in the Ginyu saga going forward. Christopher Sabot as Vegeta has the most noticable difference. As he matured with the character his voice got deeper and smoother compared to when he first voiced Vegeta.

  • @samuelsolomon7330
    @samuelsolomon7330 3 роки тому +30

    Toei continually using funimation is like disney choosing EA to make Star Wars games. They know how awful their track record is and how unsatisfied the consumers are, but they dont care, since they are still generating more money than they deserve.

    • @autobotstarscream765
      @autobotstarscream765 Рік тому +7

      The proof that Toei knows: they kicked Funi to the curb for the expensive, high-end ViZ for the current English do-over and distribution of their other immortal cash cow and revolutionary definitive anime adaptation of a revolution definitive manga, Sailor Moon.

  • @viewtifulboy
    @viewtifulboy Рік тому +89

    I like DBZ Kai. I don't like a lot of the filler and consider that they were able to re-do the English dub when the original had a bad tendency to go off-script, resulting in mocking memes. It's censored a little bit, but barely. It still has decapitations, bisections and Trunks cutting Frieza into sushi.

    • @kaijudirector5336
      @kaijudirector5336 Рік тому +3

      And bad language. We still get “hell”, “damn”, and “bastard”!

    • @itsjay7235
      @itsjay7235 Рік тому +15

      Its because most people still believe that Kai is completely censored all because of nicktoons

  • @-bemyvalentine-
    @-bemyvalentine- Рік тому +28

    The Level Set shit was just so damn depressing, but as sad as it is it's a very good example of what can happen when a market is oversaturated.

  • @EnigmaBarry
    @EnigmaBarry 3 роки тому +84

    Ahh, DMCA Abuse. Anyone remember when Toei striked themselves? It killed their own channel. Good times. Great video Tony! Glad to see it's reuploaded.
    Anyway, I want to point out. This video was made April 30, 2019. The 30th Anniversary Set was released in November 2019. When it was released, AnimeAJay pointed out that they added fake grain to the pictures. They removed fake grain and then added artificial grain to the already destroyed picture. Another clear sign Funimation doesn't know why people wanted the grainy pictures and doesn't know what they're doing. AnimeAJay did a video like Tony here criticizing what was shown. Forum users believe the reason they added fake grain was because AnimeAJay talked about the grainless, damaged pictures. And the addition of fake grain is an attempt at damage control. I wouldn't be surprised if whoever oversaw this thought "Those kids sure do love their grainy Instagram filters. It's so retro."
    Then there's Dragon Ball Super Broly, not touched upon here. The movie was released to US/CAN/UK Blu-Ray in April 2019 though Japan got their release a little later iirc. However, if you bought Funimation's release, there's a green tint permeates the entire film. The Japanese release doesn't have this green tint. The Manga UK release doesn't have this green tint either (Japanese & English dub). I don't know if Funimation ever fixed it either. This means you need to buy the UK release of the American dub over the the American company's own release. Ridiculous.

    • @ToastyMann
      @ToastyMann 2 роки тому +4

      The green tint on DBS Broly is actually not Funimation's fault. That's just the version Toei gave Funimation to punish Japanese customers for importing (at least that's what I've heard, not too sure if that last part is true).

    • @HenrythePaleoGuy
      @HenrythePaleoGuy 2 роки тому +2

      @@ToastyMann If so that's wild, but doubtful.

    • @HarmonyOmega
      @HarmonyOmega Рік тому +5

      @@ToastyMann Honestly i'd believe that considering how insanely expensive a lot of home media is in Japan from what I can see

  • @newman476
    @newman476 2 роки тому +22

    Even as a Kai apologist, the fact that the highest quality sets for Z are cut-down is very disappointing. I’d love to own all of original Z on home media. I just wish it actually had a decent release…

  • @mossex4447
    @mossex4447 2 роки тому +224

    I love Kai and personally find its colour palette (in the original run) to be the most appealing of all the home video releases. That said, the random af redrawn scenes are disgusting and definitely drag the whole thing down.

    • @DaxSchaffer
      @DaxSchaffer Рік тому +6

      Agreed.

    • @elmarakovideo
      @elmarakovideo Рік тому +15

      Yes, the too clean digital redrawn scenes by Toei don't match the grainy original footage.

    • @carloRX78K2
      @carloRX78K2 Рік тому +26

      Well it still IMO the better version of DBZ as its more 90% close to the manga, less filler and faster paced, ive only managed to watch the DBZ for about 3x in my whole lifetime.

    • @TheLegendOfLame
      @TheLegendOfLame Рік тому +16

      @@carloRX78K2 yeah, as someone who has seen both versions, I can never go back to original Z. The only thing is I miss the original Kakuchi score. I hear there are versions of Kai with it, but it's been hard for me to track down. Kai having no filler is what does it for me, along with the better english dub voice acting. If only there was a release of DBZ with the original cells, most of the filler cut (besides maybe some like the drivers license episode since it was referenced in Super Hero), newer voice acting/Kai's voice acting, and had the original Kikuchi score. Sadly I don't think I would see a version remotely like this unless I made it myself, which would be a colossal effort, not to mention I don't have the original cells.

    • @bigbangpegasusmaster
      @bigbangpegasusmaster Рік тому +4

      @@TheLegendOfLame Kai with Kikuchi score isn't exactly good tbh, since the music placement got butchered

  • @AkiraleTorimaki
    @AkiraleTorimaki 3 роки тому +139

    You know, part of me has to ask...What If the Dragon Boxes were NEVER released in the West? Would the Level Sets be alive and well to this very day?

    • @retrogamerfan123
      @retrogamerfan123 3 роки тому +14

      granted the level sets we’re starting to look very good by the 2nd set i’m wondering if there gona do uhd box sets they could release the whole series in one box but there prob gona milk us

    • @DragonboltBlastter
      @DragonboltBlastter 3 роки тому +13

      @@retrogamerfan123 Of course they will. You MIGHT expect that they will use the same orange brick master for their UHD 2160p releases. (Mark this comment for future reference!)

    • @AlexanderDiviFilius
      @AlexanderDiviFilius 3 роки тому +3

      It’s possible. The level sets are far from a perfect release (even if completed, they’d still lack a lot of features found in the Dragon Boxes), but maybe Funi would have learned the right lessons from them. After all, they were far from bad.
      Funimation are very unwilling to cater to the hardcore side of the fanbase though, so it’s unlikely they’d ever create their own Dragon Box-tier release without heavy prompting from Toei or whomever.

    • @SSJ491
      @SSJ491 2 роки тому

      The Dragon Ball Z Dragon Boxes look cool on paper, it has episodes previews, previous episodes of what happened to the story, and Japanese ost (Shunuke Kikuchi's background soundtracks; sadly there's not a single English dub background soundtracks in 7 box sets (example: Nathan Johnson's soundtracks (ep: #1-67) or Bruce Faulconer's soundtracks (#68-291)). But the thing is the price of what's it costs. The Dragon Ball Z Orange Bricks (yes it is the worst as it looks) had the price lower than the Dragon Ball Z Dragon Boxes. While the Dragon Ball Z Dragon Boxes cost like $1000!!!! What in the world are they're thinking, I am definitely not going to spend that kind of money just to buy one single or multiple box sets of the show that I grew up from my childhood years. It's a bad business decision from FUNimation on that part.

    • @AkiraleTorimaki
      @AkiraleTorimaki 2 роки тому +1

      @@SSJ491 The Dragon Boxes aren’t a thousand dollars or more because of Funimation.
      Funimation discontinued the DBoxes a long while ago (probably over a decade ago) and since then it’s been on the secondary market (usually eBay). When it WAS on the market and Funi was selling them, each box cost eighty dollars, totaling five-hundred sixty dollars for the whole set…pricier than the Orange Bricks, but considering what they were packaged with, it would’ve been worth it.

  • @maxhydekyle2425
    @maxhydekyle2425 2 роки тому +90

    I have to say, despite how much I appreciate what Funimation has done for anime, I must recognize that they have handled things with DB incredibly poorly. I mean come on, DBZ is *the* show that made Funimation a real company! They need to treat the property with much more respect. Without DBZ, Funimation would never have happened and anime in the west might not even be a thing! There's a damn good reason that DBZ enchanted the world in the 90s and early 00s.

    • @sridrawings4510
      @sridrawings4510 Рік тому +2

      Anime would exist but it won't be popular as it is now today except japan, not only US, but internationally

    • @saiyanlives9872
      @saiyanlives9872 Рік тому +1

      They need new peoppe working for funimation because i honestly think funimation doesnt do this on purpose i generally believe they think they are doing the right thing ,because what they do cost money, why would u pay to destroy your film? It doesnt make sense so i think they truelly believe that it looks good so there for we need new workers so maybe in future

    • @lostinthegrave7462
      @lostinthegrave7462 Рік тому +2

      A necessary evil unfortunately. Or else we'd all be stuck in the dark ages paying $30+ for Angel Cop and Violence Jack tapes.

  • @Blackmongoose
    @Blackmongoose 3 роки тому +66

    I understand the comments about kai's terrible redraws and censorship but why is the lack of filler a bad thing? Very little filler in dbz was any good anyway and they removed it in kai to make it more faithful to the manga.

    • @RevolvingCube
      @RevolvingCube 2 роки тому +29

      Honestly despite the bad footage I like Kai more for it's better voice acting and script

    • @ToastyMann
      @ToastyMann 2 роки тому +17

      The filler is annoying but the episode where Goku learns to drive is legendary

    • @ZariLutus
      @ZariLutus Рік тому +20

      Not to mention, wasnt the censorship just the TV release? I'm pretty sure the dvd releases had uncensored versions of the footage

    • @gamerplayer8882
      @gamerplayer8882 Рік тому +7

      The filler isn't even that bad in Z, the padding is what makes it terrible. Z has so much padding its disgusting. I'd love for a fan made version of kai with the filler episodes in tact still.

    • @Blackmongoose
      @Blackmongoose Рік тому +8

      @@gamerplayer8882 I have to disagree. The garlic jr saga, fake namek, the weird stuff with gohan and those orphans etc. I hate a majority of the filler in Z and original Dragon Ball.

  • @bodytrick
    @bodytrick 2 роки тому +46

    The blu "level sets" looked really good, I bought both when they came out and was really confused why they canceled the series. Glad I held onto the Dragon Boxes.

    • @AD-ur1fk
      @AD-ur1fk Рік тому

      Does the dragon box have the English dub and music? Or only Japanese

    • @RackerTheRascalMashup
      @RackerTheRascalMashup Рік тому +4

      @@AD-ur1fk Original Dragon Boxes only japanese, DBB rerelease in America feature both

  • @NauticalSponge
    @NauticalSponge 3 роки тому +20

    I can't believe how absolutely dumb the Blu-Ray sets are
    "Yeah we want to preserve the original image of this 4:3 show, so we're putting it in 16:9!"

    • @unkono
      @unkono Рік тому +2

      And they reused that bluray footage for the 30th anniversary release!!!!!

  • @VaporYTVideo
    @VaporYTVideo Рік тому +18

    Kai > Z. Fight me.

    • @StruckenOGSlop2008
      @StruckenOGSlop2008 2 місяці тому

      You watch kai then Good choice I like dbzkai

    • @ecochipo
      @ecochipo Місяць тому

      Truly one of the greatest philosophers of this generation

    • @mewtube47
      @mewtube47 19 днів тому

      I tried watching the original z before Kai and then I watched Kai just to agree with this statement

  • @cesarvictoriano8072
    @cesarvictoriano8072 2 роки тому +77

    So I guess you could say…
    The Dragon Boxes became the Dragon Balls themselves in their rarity.

    • @rising_dragonsol5332
      @rising_dragonsol5332 2 роки тому +1

      You said it

    • @hrnbrigade4991
      @hrnbrigade4991 2 роки тому +7

      YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH
      sorry I know this meme is dead but I couldn't help it for this occasion.

    • @moesabally1502
      @moesabally1502 2 роки тому +7

      Especially since they are in 7 volumes, with a dragon ball printed on the back.

    • @nathangitz2674
      @nathangitz2674 2 роки тому +5

      As I recall, the seventh commercial said something like, "Seven Dragon Balls, seven Dragon Boxes! Heh, coincidence? I DON'T THINK SO!"

    • @chrishill9197
      @chrishill9197 6 місяців тому

      @@hrnbrigade4991 What meme is that?

  • @reggiePLEASE
    @reggiePLEASE Рік тому +8

    at least the only thing that stays consistently good throughout the releases is Steve Simmons's subtitles.

  • @YAH2121
    @YAH2121 11 місяців тому +9

    Of course the level sets, the best quality versions besides the original cels themselves, is the one that gets canceled.

    • @alexandernickaboine4798
      @alexandernickaboine4798 7 місяців тому

      and it's all Funimation's own fault too. You had the original DVD sets, you had the Orange Bricks, you had the Dragon Boxes, then you also had DBZ Kai around at the time. FOUR SEPARATE RELEASES to watch DBZ that just incredibly overflooded the market. Then when they actually gave a freak to try people were just sick and tired of all of it. smh

  • @PowerPackers90
    @PowerPackers90 Рік тому +9

    People need to also remember that Toei plays a major hand in this. The remastered footage they made at Toei is probably more money to send over than for funimations to make their inhouse remastered versions. Toei does this with all their international partners, Hasbro/Saban, Shout Factory, Viz, and even Funimation.

  • @salinger1106
    @salinger1106 2 роки тому +33

    What’s wrong with Kai?
    Isn’t it well praised for its remaster and better dub and lack of filler?

    • @Jermster_91
      @Jermster_91 Рік тому +1

      They cut out the blood of the series.

    • @vdxxxy484
      @vdxxxy484 Рік тому +1

      Lots of censorship and some animations are re-drawn digitally

    • @jadeepicpgaming
      @jadeepicpgaming Рік тому +24

      @@vdxxxy484 Very small amount though. This guy's complaints about Kai are pretty dumb. It's a much better series especially in English

    • @AKUNJIG
      @AKUNJIG Рік тому +13

      The criticism comes from the Older Fans. I liked Kai. I would tune in every week to watch it. It was also the first time I got to hear the Japanese Cast. Was a big fan of Vegeta's Voice Actor. Chris Ayres (RIP) really took inspiration from Ryūsei Nakao's performance as Frieza.

    • @salinger1106
      @salinger1106 Рік тому +2

      @@AKUNJIG I also just bought the DBZ on blu ray sets. Yes the 16:9 ones and they look amazing. I dont care what anyone says. They look the best next to the Kai blu rays.

  • @Jay_Baumans_Stuntdouble
    @Jay_Baumans_Stuntdouble 2 роки тому +49

    I don't know why this is so hard to figure out. The Japanese Dragon boxes practically did all the work, was it so difficult to just import that version, stick on an English dub and release it. Does anyone have any legit reason why Funimation does this?

    • @Jay_Baumans_Stuntdouble
      @Jay_Baumans_Stuntdouble 2 роки тому +10

      @@duncanohoge If that's true then that sucks on Toei's part as they missed out on potentially billions of dollars in revenue. But on the other side of the coin why does Funimation do such a poor job of "remastering" even second generation copies? I mean I get maybe fiddling with the colors a bit to hide any imperfections, but this is just terrible. I still own S1 of "The Simpsons" on DVD from 2001 and that show cam out the same year as DBZ, 89 and it looks fine. I mean it's never going to look as nice as current Simpsons but at least it's in it's original aspect ratio and still watchable through an HDTV.

    • @Jay_Baumans_Stuntdouble
      @Jay_Baumans_Stuntdouble 2 роки тому +7

      @@duncanohoge On reflection I wouldn't mind a DVD release of DB, Z and GT that was the same or of similar quality to the Ultimate Uncut Editions. I'm sure it wouldn't please many hardcore fans, but it looks better than what we got. Also with regards to the Dragon Box it sucks that that never got a European release, otherwise I would've loved to have owned that here in Britain, but they are way too expensive even pre owned and no way am I shilling out more money for a multi region Blu Ray player. (sigh)

    • @PutoML
      @PutoML Рік тому +3

      @@duncanohoge Yeah, no. That’s definitely not the case. For starters, Crunchyroll’s subtitled streams use the Dragon Box footage. Multiple releases in Europe use the Dragon Box footage as well. All the online streams in Japanese video on demand services also use the Dragon Box footage.

    • @namelessresource5782
      @namelessresource5782 2 місяці тому

      If they released a "definitive edition" they'd have no incentive to keep re-releasing their most lucrative and profitable property. Same thing Nintendo does, really.

  • @blakewilliams5627
    @blakewilliams5627 3 роки тому +42

    I don’t know about the $25 dollars standard. This was probably the suggested retail price, but I feel like I remember seeing them for between $17-$21 a dvd.
    I remember FYE having multiple rows of shelfs dedicated to dbz VHS & DVD Singles. That was a amazing time to be a anime fan.

    • @christiandowell9667
      @christiandowell9667 Рік тому +3

      I remember the dvds being 9.99

    • @khfan4life365
      @khfan4life365 Рік тому +1

      Well, he mentioned living in Canada. Things tend to be more expensive in Canada.

    • @reggiePLEASE
      @reggiePLEASE Рік тому +4

      @@khfan4life365 not more expensive, it's just the Canadian dollar is worth less against the US dollar (worth less, as in not as much, not worthless)

  • @TheRealBP3
    @TheRealBP3 Рік тому +7

    Why does everyone hate DBZ Kai? Coming from someone who grew up watching reruns on cartoon network, losing interest, and then rediscovering DBZ in the from of Kai on Nicktoons, which I know is the worst possible version considering how heavily censored it was. After that, I bought the remastered DB set and DBZ sets on DVD. After the freiza arc on Namek, I got burned out. I started thinking, is watching an entire arc about Goku and Piccolo getting their driver licenses necessary? Is an entire arc about a "vampire disease" necessary? This one takes the cake for me. Is an entire arc dedicated to SPACE ORPHANS necessary? In my opinion, HELL NO! I wanted a way of viewing the show from point A to B with the nonsense side stories taken out. Low and behold, I rediscovered Kai. It was the best version of DBZ I had discovered. But seriously though, why all the hate?

    • @robertlafrance9974
      @robertlafrance9974 Рік тому +4

      I like dbz Kai but lemme bring you some points 1 Because of filler 2 because of censorship (wrong versions) 3 Because it’s not like z 4 some voice changes 5 bad version/ edit of z

  • @MaSTARMedia
    @MaSTARMedia 3 роки тому +369

    The amount of research put in this video! UA-cam kept recommending it to me until I finally clicked it and I'm glad I did. If only we could get a legendary 4:3 source footage, broadcast audio release. Maybe one day, but I doubt it since Toei doesn't really seem to give a shit. Anyway thanks for the video, I actually learned a lot. Hope you keep making content this good and grow!

    • @NASALunarLight
      @NASALunarLight 3 роки тому +3

      :O it’s MaStar Media :O

    • @ayerooown
      @ayerooown 3 роки тому +40

      Holy shit its the guy who traces animation because he cant draw shit

    • @The_Blue_Otaku
      @The_Blue_Otaku 3 роки тому +9

      At least DBZ is on BluRay not like the original Dragon Ball scries that hasn't hit any form of BluRay and the last time Original Dragon Ball hit the market it was in 2009 on DVD only

    • @Guntshot
      @Guntshot 2 роки тому +5

      go trace loser

    • @Auvisome
      @Auvisome 2 роки тому +1

      Shut up

  • @thatguyknownaswill8180
    @thatguyknownaswill8180 2 місяці тому +4

    I’m part of a new wave of fans: the ones that start watching DB because of the global response to Toriyama-san’s passing, which pushed me to check the series out. I’m starting with the original dragon ball. Already on episode 7 and I’m hooked! I wish I didn’t sleep on this series for so long!
    (Edit): I finished the Piccolo Jr Saga and now I’m on Z!
    (Edit 2): I’m on the buu saga now

  • @selfloathingweekly
    @selfloathingweekly 8 місяців тому +9

    I feel sorry for the person who collected all the original 3-4 episode DVDs only to see the orange bricks announced, then as he finally got the last orange brick they announced the dragon boxes and then as he finally got the Dragon boxes he saw the Kai announcement and bought the Kai DVDs and then as he bought Kai he saw the level boxes being announced..and after buying all the level boxes he could buy, he hears they're canceled but then Funimation announces a blu ray set of Kai ..
    I would be LIVID

    • @unkono
      @unkono 7 місяців тому

      That's mommy and daddies money.

  • @MastaKeahi
    @MastaKeahi Рік тому +6

    I’ve slowly come to realize the best way to watch Z is through Dokkan Supper attacks and active skills.

    • @Kariny592
      @Kariny592 Рік тому +1

      It's based on DB Box wich looks unnacurate

  • @mattweaver782
    @mattweaver782 3 роки тому +12

    I remember going to a music store in a small shopping mall in Illinois in 99-00. The dvds had been completely cleaned out so I go to the vhs and they're almost gone I bought the episode from the android/cell saga where Goku and Picolo take driving lessons. 12/13 year old decided having that episode on vhs was better than having no Dragon Ball Z at all.

    • @calir4849
      @calir4849 2 роки тому +1

      Lol I didn't even have that luxury back then. Me as a 9 year old would record blank vhs tapes from Cartoon Network lol 😆 the embarrassment.

  • @juliusplaesar3950
    @juliusplaesar3950 Рік тому +5

    I remember spending a long time reading an article in Shonen Jump about how they altered, zoomed and refilled for the rereleased DVDs in widescreen and trying to wrap my head around how it was a good thing

    • @unkono
      @unkono Рік тому +1

      Its affordable and accessible way to Z with the merican Ost

  • @word8512
    @word8512 3 роки тому +19

    That shot at 19:06 is too clean I wish I could buy something with the whole series like that

  • @NY_Mapper
    @NY_Mapper 2 роки тому +29

    36:57 As someone who grew up watching Kai and got into the series that way, I understand the older generation hates the censorship, but is that really the sole reason why it’s “trash?” Kai‘s censorship was to comply with Japan’s quickly evolving laws involving violence on TV shows. Plus, the dialogue is much better and the Yamamoto score was immaculate, despite the plagiarism.

    • @wwemusicfanC
      @wwemusicfanC Рік тому +3

      My main issue with Kai was that it was terribly produced. As jarring as the redrawn scenes were, that was nothing compared to how blatant the cut-and-paste job was. They cut episodes together, so you'd have clashing art styles. You'd see some great animation one minute and then absolute dog shite next. It was awful.
      They should've gone the Sailor Moon route and just remake DBZ without the filler.

  • @jadenalvarado4912
    @jadenalvarado4912 7 місяців тому +8

    They should of waited until 2015 for the level sets

  • @taxscandalandthebuenos
    @taxscandalandthebuenos 3 роки тому +25

    I absolutely love this video. I always end up rewatching it every couple months because its so informative on all this. I noticed even when I was a little kid that the Japanese audio sounded terrible and I didnt understand why since its the 'original'

  • @ragnaazure6231
    @ragnaazure6231 2 роки тому +13

    This is orange brick. And this is orange brick that has ascended past a orange brick, or as I like to call it a Season Set, and this (30th Anniversary Edition) is to go further beyond. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHH!

  • @Dell2YT
    @Dell2YT 3 роки тому +13

    First of all, I love this video. THANK YOU for your efforts on this journey. ... secondly i'd like to add a nitpick of mine concerning the DBZ releases:
    Super Buu's voice mimicked the original CN broadcast on the first (~1997-2003) DVD release in North America... but Funimation decided to change it.. for the infamous orange brick release! (for whatever reason, they removed the ominous lower pitch effect on his voice, in favor of a higher, more annoying voice)... and to this day for every subsequent release.. do you know which vocal track they use for the english dub?? You guessed it-- the orange brick vocals. Every single blu-ray release has this "problem". I know this sounds crazy. But I had to do a lot of digging and "research" to find out why none of the physical DBZ releases sounded like my old, treasured, VHS recordings from toonami back in the early 2000's. So... long story short, I got lucky and managed to hunt down the old 2003 DVD box sets for the Fusion and Kid Buu sagas-- which have Super Buu's voice sounding exactly like I remember, plus uncut footage in 4:3. ... just throwing that out there. Just in case anyone else needs another reason to hate the orange bricks.

  • @twinswords79dualblade84
    @twinswords79dualblade84 2 роки тому +12

    Ironic how a horrible release of DBZ was an absolute hit and can still be found to this day
    While the Level Sets that actually went frame by frame to give the show better quality and overall gives the viewer the best experience, got canceled after two sets due to poor sales.
    This is on Funimation for not airing out the releases but this is also on us, we praised the shit releases to the point where they’re the norm and the actual best remaster Z could get will never see the light of day.

  • @j062
    @j062 2 роки тому +57

    The only thing wrong with Kai is the reanimated sequences, and Gohan's new voice lol, but kai truly is the best version of Z out there. Sadly a huge portion of traditional and older fans act like it's bad just because they're mad that it straight up exposes how incredibly bad the original English dub is. If you watch it Japanese then I don't really know which version is better. Also, original Buu saga is pretty decent, and the final Chapters is inferior to kai 1.0, so I guess I wouldn't know which one to recommend when it comes to that saga.

    • @JEFFMAN90
      @JEFFMAN90 2 роки тому +18

      Facts. I grew up on the old Z dub and as a 29 year old now I realize that the dub was bad. But that was because the voice actors were pretty much new in the industry and had no experience

    • @rizkit1752
      @rizkit1752 Рік тому

      I personally don't care for Kai, but I will admit that the voice acting and scripts were better than the original Z dub. But they couldn't have used a different voice for kid Gohan? Holy smokes, that voice hurts my ears! And I hate how I have to listen to it whenever I play a modern DBZ game like Kakarot, which is a double shame because Gohan is my favorite DBZ character.

  • @blue_wolfproductions12
    @blue_wolfproductions12 3 роки тому +27

    Kinda triggered that you crapped on Kai. But this video does an excellent job on discussing on all the home releases of DBZ. There are genuinely too many home releases of DBZ.

  • @NikolasBellica-ek2ss
    @NikolasBellica-ek2ss 7 місяців тому +4

    As big fan of Dragon Ball, I gonna be brutal honest, I never supported the show by buying the official release. Why?
    1. Because it was never officially released on home video where I live. Only trash quality TV broadcast, that was censored as hell, all the names and things were changed, and the quality was terrible.
    2. Buying those official, terrible releases, was not a option, they were too expensive, with super expensive shipping and the quality was terrible.
    Where I live only the manga was available, and that's the only piece of Dragon Ball media I was buying.
    Even today, Dragon Ball Super anime and movies DVD/BR here are not officially released, they are imported from EU with no changes.
    They don't have our language in any shape and form.
    And to add more salt to the wound, we are one of the big community of Dragon Ball in EU.

  • @natalis08
    @natalis08 3 роки тому +9

    The best video hands down that explains all the releases. I’m still holding out for the level set to be brought back. Especially with original broadcast audio & Bruce Falcouner audio. Is there any hope especially now with the steel box release?

  • @victorhugotrujillo831
    @victorhugotrujillo831 3 роки тому +10

    Latin Americans DB fans be like:
    Wait, you are getting home video releases?

  • @jking4854
    @jking4854 2 роки тому +12

    That fictional release with the original broadcast audio and original animation cell colours and quality sounds amazing.

    • @Skopin
      @Skopin 2 роки тому +6

      Those couple animation cels were gorgeous.

  • @zannyreflections9651
    @zannyreflections9651 4 місяці тому +4

    I want
    Original 4:3
    Uncut (keep blood etc.)
    Option to have faulcner score or original
    Swap between dub and sub
    Best picture possible like on the cancelled box sets
    No 16:9
    Also don’t zoom in and cut edges off
    Correct color
    Did I mention keep it in 4:3

  • @marvelboi3416
    @marvelboi3416 2 місяці тому +4

    I grew up with the original Dragon Ball Z still part of my heart but to be honest I prefer Dragon Ball Kai especially on home media and streaming. It is much better for me to rewatch with awesome dubbed dialogue, reanimated scenes and unnecessary stupid boring long filler episodes gone. Plus the series is a little more faithful to the manga counterpart. In Kai there also a lot more swearing which I like and fit my favorite character Vegeta personality😂 lol.... The editing in some of the episodes in DBZ Kai fits perfectly. BTW KAI IS NOT TRASH!!!!
    FUN FACT: Blood is still there in the uncut episodes of Kai just mild as it portrayed in the manga. The Creator Akira Toriyama stated that in the anime the bloody scenes are just for the dramatic effect but in his manga he didn't really have that much blood.

  • @lightsideendings5815
    @lightsideendings5815 Рік тому +8

    Wonderful video. It brought back some painful memories though, let me tell you. I remember being so excited when Orange Brick 'Season One' came out. This would be my FIRST experience of seeing the Saiyan Saga uncut and subtitled in Japanese. FINALLY, I was buying it and taking it home!
    And FINALLY, the original score.
    And FINALLY, the word "die."
    And FINALLY, beer. And FINALLY, bloo-w-wait, why is half his hair cut off there?
    Once I learned the truth about the cropping, I tried to deny it. I really did. Tried to convince myself that the picture wasn't THAT bad, and that FUNimation's "image comparisons" were telling the truth. I could see most of what was happening, right? ...Right? No. They screwed up. Just like every other release. What was even worse was that with the Blu-ray season sets, they were STILL doing it. They STILL thought this was a good idea!
    Oh, and yes. Those Orange Bricks were EVERYWHERE. For YEARS. Whole sections at Walmart where you could find all 9 of them readily available to buy.

    • @unkono
      @unkono Рік тому +1

      Its still like that today

  • @SpadePyro
    @SpadePyro Рік тому +8

    Huh, "Kai is trash" is a weird way to say "Kai is only good way to watch DBZ in English, because the bloated badly dubbed messed of the 90's is only good if nostaligic value is th same as quality" Kai is great

    • @crashbash8549
      @crashbash8549 Рік тому

      Kai probably would be the best way to watch it if it wasn't for the unnecessary and outrageous censorship, also some of the filler was fun, it didn't all need to be removed

    • @SpadePyro
      @SpadePyro Рік тому +2

      @@crashbash8549 okay but the filler didn’t need to be there to begin with, either. Also, you watched the wrong Kai

    • @ChiefMedicPururu
      @ChiefMedicPururu Рік тому +1

      @@crashbash8549 Kai has multiple versions, tho.

    • @crashbash8549
      @crashbash8549 Рік тому +1

      @MrConnman123 get off your high horse

    • @DarkDoge
      @DarkDoge 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@@crashbash8549 you need to remember the time Kai was made in. However, kai is the true best way to enjoy the show.

  • @brandinjamin
    @brandinjamin 2 роки тому +10

    36:59 "key scene" MY ASS. it was not in the original manga and is therefore considered FILLER, and definitely not a "key scene".

  • @philthestampede
    @philthestampede Рік тому +7

    There are still Funimation apologists to this day that defend the cropping. Their knees probably have calluses.

    • @elmarakovideo
      @elmarakovideo Рік тому

      Sad gullible dub fans. Funi still SUCKS!

    • @autobotstarscream765
      @autobotstarscream765 Рік тому +1

      Funimation apologists' _entire bodies_ are scarred by what Funi does to them once they get on their knees. 😬

  • @danielbetancourt1483
    @danielbetancourt1483 3 роки тому +25

    Video was incredible. Truly documentary quality. It frankly upsets me knowing how this all turned out.

  • @SG-17
    @SG-17 Рік тому +7

    I just went with the Kai blu-rays in the end. Except for the Buu Saga somehow being fucking cropped wide-screen the rest of the show is a pretty great transfer.

    • @Ealais76
      @Ealais76 2 місяці тому

      Kai buu saga is ass quality wise

  • @rehaansiddiqie
    @rehaansiddiqie 2 місяці тому +4

    "THE SEASON SET IS BEING PRESENTED IN 16:9"

    • @unkono
      @unkono 2 місяці тому +1

      Half of that dudes face is covered by his shadow when he said that. That was his Zuko moment

  • @AndrewCARNBORN
    @AndrewCARNBORN Рік тому +13

    Idk if I'm going crazy but I don't remember Kai looking THAT badly redrawn. When they were showing it on Nicktoons it looked great and didn't have as much censorship as people claim

    • @phanindravaibhav3319
      @phanindravaibhav3319 Рік тому +8

      It's just a couple scenes here and there that were redrawn (you can tell there is a massive difference in art style when they appear). Other than that, I feel like the color/lighting change for the overall original footage looks good.

  • @GabeNwagbala
    @GabeNwagbala 3 роки тому +11

    FUNi: We made Orange Bricks in Widescreen! 16:9
    VIZ: (Laughs As J. Jonah) No. Sailor Moon Classic is in 4:3 and Sailor Moon Movie Trilogy in 16:9 by Toei since 2009 so Hold our Silver Crystal & Drinks. 🥤.

  • @koltonknox9836
    @koltonknox9836 11 місяців тому +7

    >with dragon ball super set to return any day now
    oof

  • @tntcactus2615
    @tntcactus2615 3 роки тому +21

    I can’t get over how the Season 4 Orange Brick says ‘Containing the complete Garlic Jr, Trunks, and Android’ instead of ‘Trunks, and Android sagas’

  • @colin6052
    @colin6052 Рік тому +9

    I can't believe we're still in this predicament. Honestly, I don't understand why they don't do the sensible thing and do a real ultimate set and finally just make EVERYONE happy by including the 4:3 remastered like the level sets and include 16:9 as well. Think of how Disney+ handled The Simpsons. I honestly wouldnt care at this point if I had to pay extra because it includes both as long as I know it has 4:3 done right. If we could get the original broadcast audio as well, that's even better

  • @Zostead
    @Zostead 3 роки тому +21

    That's crazy, I was thinking about this video the other day. Guess I'll jus watch it for the 10th time.

  • @darktoonlink2k145
    @darktoonlink2k145 3 роки тому +17

    Sorry to see this video taken down, it deserved all the attention it ever got the first time around. As a kid who grew up with Kai, I empathize with you man. I hope one day we can all enjoy a quality version of OG DBZ without shelling out over $1,000.

    • @starwindamada5313
      @starwindamada5313 2 роки тому

      Kid, I grew up with the early Funi dub back in 99 when I was finishing middle school. Back when they dubbed it they had to connect a toaster to a washing machine and wait 45 minutes to rewind the tape when Sabat messed up a line.

  • @BDogBlue1
    @BDogBlue1 3 роки тому

    Thank you so much for uploading this again! I was really interested in this first time around!!!!

  • @Greviator
    @Greviator Рік тому +9

    I cannot with this slander of Kai! lol, I’ll admit the redrawn instances stick out terribly and the censorship they kept is rough. That being said, the censor issue really is only bad in the sayian saga, and the redrawn moments are few, short, and far in between.
    The real crime is the Buu saga release (when they did it way later) was a lazy rush job by toei. Not only did they revert to widescreen, but now there’s a green tint to everything
    I’m glad to cut much of the filler, and will still be my preferred way; but damn do I wish they did it better.
    Anyways, great vid! I didn’t know much of this, as I was checked out of db pretty much 05-15 lol

    • @MattSinz
      @MattSinz 2 місяці тому

      And censorship was only an issue for the TV version that aired on Nicktoons, the home release was almost completely uncut.

  • @wusty1716
    @wusty1716 3 роки тому +4

    Thank you for re uploading this!

  • @alexblackburn2247
    @alexblackburn2247 2 роки тому +41

    My personal favorite way to watch the show is Kai, as the newer releases of Kai are in 4:3 and have MUCH better audio and voice acting. Also cutting out all of the hours of filler from the show REALLY helps with rewatch ability. That being said, some of the redrawn shots are pretty jarring, but not all of them are bad.

    • @forza8719
      @forza8719 2 роки тому +2

      I hate Kai for the simple fact they changed the dialogue and the voice acting isn’t the same. The OG voice acting like vegeta for example is irreplaceable.

    • @nickleback3695
      @nickleback3695 2 роки тому +23

      @@forza8719 It's the same voice actor bud, look it up. He's just not doing a poor impersonation of ocean dub vegeta this time.

    • @forza8719
      @forza8719 2 роки тому

      @@nickleback3695 no shit it’s the same voice actor lol Chris sabatt. I’m saying the original dialogue is just better. Nothing will ever beat it imo.

    • @forza8719
      @forza8719 2 роки тому

      @@nickleback3695 I said acting not actors

    • @MrTokyoJunkie
      @MrTokyoJunkie Рік тому +21

      @@forza8719 Funnily enough, you prefer the disjointed and choppy dialogue of the original that was completely different from the Japanese script. Fine if you do, but understand those who want the true context of every scene.

  • @CarloNassar
    @CarloNassar 3 роки тому +10

    Dear Funimation,
    Just give DBZ to Shout Factory or The Criterion Collection. (5-11-2021)

    • @ToastyMann
      @ToastyMann 3 роки тому +4

      *this*

    • @CarloNassar
      @CarloNassar 2 роки тому

      @@ToastyMann Late reply, but can you tell me what you mean by that?

    • @ToastyMann
      @ToastyMann 2 роки тому +1

      @@CarloNassar I agree with it.

    • @CarloNassar
      @CarloNassar 2 роки тому

      @@ToastyMann Very well.

    • @starstudio8402
      @starstudio8402 2 роки тому

      Honestly I agree.

  • @soulflare382
    @soulflare382 3 роки тому +1

    I still wonder why this vid doesn't have many views because it honestly is really informative. Again, it saved my money.

  • @unkono
    @unkono 6 місяців тому +3

    I still go back and rewatch this video.

  • @ladyinwight
    @ladyinwight 3 роки тому +60

    if you want to watch it dubbed, the re-dub of kai alone makes it better than Z imo. the voice acting in kai makes the voice acting in Z sound like a college student's school project. it's a lot easier to take seriously.

    • @frisby7143
      @frisby7143 3 роки тому +10

      The way I watch it is Kai with a tiny bit of Z mixed in. Primarily the Saiyan saga filler. Oh and pickon in the Majin buy saga

    • @Rei322
      @Rei322 3 роки тому

      Kakacarrotcake you am no real super sand -Virginia

    • @frisby7143
      @frisby7143 3 роки тому +2

      @Ruthless Attitude Entertainment
      Ok please tell us why DBZ is so much more superior than Kai

    • @frisby7143
      @frisby7143 3 роки тому +1

      @Ruthless Attitude Entertainment
      Wow you are literally the stereotype of a fanboy purist.

    • @AlexanderDiviFilius
      @AlexanderDiviFilius 3 роки тому +3

      @@frisby7143 the Saiyan arc filler is really good, so I’d agree. A case where the anime took advantage of its format to properly flesh out the story and give things more time to grow.
      The DBZ uncut dub for it isn’t terrible either. Now, it’s not conventionally good, but it is a step up from Funi’s awful Seasons 3 and 4 dub.

  • @ajkurth
    @ajkurth 3 роки тому +1

    I love this video!!!! Thank you so much for making this; please continue with this awesome content, it's straight🔥🔥🔥

  • @Doomacam
    @Doomacam 2 роки тому +24

    This is a great video! fantastic research done, and is a perfect way to explain why we need a proper remaster...
    ... Except for the Kai hate. I get if you want to experience the Dragonball in the old fashioned way, DBZ works, but I can't in my right mind recommend DBZ to any new fan, especially to an new adult fan. DBZ is just much too bloated. As a fan of almost 10 years, I've watched in order: DB, DBZ, DBGT, DBZA, DBZKAI. I have watched both JP and ENG version of Z, and both scores for the ENG, I've watched Kai in both JP and ENG as well. I never recommend new fans watch DBZ. it's fine to go back and watch from time to time for nostalgias sake, but I can't justify it anymore, and I used to be a kai hater as well, until I watched it. I also always recommend people not skip OG DB. It's not a prequel, IT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE STORY!
    Also, the kai dub is Objectively superior to the Z dub, and that's an important factor in my recommending DB to somebody.
    And I just realized you might have been joking, my point still stands though. DBZ was even censored from the manga, so it in and of itself is not the purest way to experience the story, the manga is. Also, I don't miss any of the DBZ filler other than the other world tournament and the Gohan in high school stuff.

    • @pooperwooper8167
      @pooperwooper8167 2 роки тому

      Where can I get the full version of Kai instead of the one that only has only 98?

    • @Doomacam
      @Doomacam 2 роки тому +3

      @@pooperwooper8167 Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters covers the Buu saga and has 69 episodes, bringing the total episode count to 167. Those original 98 only go to the end of the Cell saga. Also, the Japanese version of the Kai Buu Saga has a few less episodes because the international version has a couple filler epsiodes retained from DBZ. a little confusing.
      All you need to know is that its called DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters, and it covers all of the Buu saga up to End of Z.

    • @Spvrinnaeli
      @Spvrinnaeli 2 роки тому

      The original DBZ dub is FAR better than the Kai dub, it's not even arguable. Post-GT Schemmel and Sabat just phone in every single performance, not just in Dragon Ball but every anime they're hired for. Gohan's voice actress just does not fit well at all. Any other performance bumps in quality can't overlook these things, imo. Schemmel peaked in GT, change my mind.

    • @Doomacam
      @Doomacam 2 роки тому +5

      That's your opinion. I held that same belief until I actually watched Kai in its entirety. Sean and Chris have both said on many occasions that they were far more experienced as voice actors when they did Kai. The main goal of the Kai dub was to make it the definitive Dragonball Z dub experience. I agree with the creators of the product.
      I used to prefer Stephanie nadolny as Gohan, until I got used to Colleen clinkenbeard. As I said in the original comment, I watched DB first, so I associate Stephanie as young Goku, and not Gohan.
      I can say that the buu saga stuff in Dbz and gt are decent dubs by early 2000s standard, but unfortunately the script is not up to par anymore. Especially the gt script, which changes many character motives, Including making Goku into a superman justice warrior type, which he is not.
      There are plenty of resources to back up these facts. Geekdom101 has plenty of videos explaining Kai, and interviews with va about dragonball and the Kai dub.

    • @Spvrinnaeli
      @Spvrinnaeli 2 роки тому

      @@Doomacam I've seen Kai many times, I've also played a ton of recent games where they use the modern cast. They just do not have the same charm as the original. It's more polished in a corporate sense but is absolutely lacking the mid-90's confidence that came with being under the radar. Funi is a big "respectable" company now and their dubs reflect this corporate polish framework. Sabat and Schemmel are more experienced now for sure but so is James Earl Jones who has only degraded over time. With success can come complacency, and I think that's probably true of Sabat who sounds the same no matter what role he's playing. Schemmel I just think doesn't have the same energy he did earlier on so I can sort of forgive him there. He's definitely more talented than Sabat.
      I must hard disagree on Clickenbeard. There's not much to say really, I've gotten used to her, but every time I do and go back and play something with Nadolny, it sounds a lotttt better. Hard to say if it's just the difference between voice actresses' particular skills, or if one voice is more suited than the other. Even friends I've introduced to the series say they prefer Nadonly to Clickenbeard once showed the difference, but this is anecdotal.
      You can't really complain about VA script quality in GT, it's new material. And Schemmel made the changes in characterization work remarkably well, I think; I still consider that to be his best performance. I also don't really personally care about accuracy since I know the original story from the manga. I like the original dub for what it is, a somewhat inaccurate but fun piece of anime history in the west.

  • @digit861
    @digit861 3 роки тому +12

    It's infuriating! They also claim, now, that regarding dub and writing and presentation- that 'people want the original un-edited'. It's baffling!! Funimation is the devil. The 30th anniversary is an insult! They also released 4 different versions & had the nerve to be surprised that people didn't buy up the Level Sets (which were pretty good quality), & decided it was because people preferred their shoot DNR cropped garbage. So many other anime's don't get fucked with like DBZ does. It's heartbreaking

  • @lucasholley6026
    @lucasholley6026 3 роки тому +16

    for real, the remaster on the GT Green Bricks would be better than what we've gotten recently. the green bricks look good, and they're everywhere, TODAY. they're obviously cheap to make, so why not just make that for Z?

    • @Rigicai05
      @Rigicai05 3 роки тому +1

      Are they the same quality as the VHS tapes?

    • @lucasholley6026
      @lucasholley6026 3 роки тому

      @@Rigicai05 they're a little better than the single DVDs. not exactly Dragon Box, but acceptable.

    • @Rigicai05
      @Rigicai05 3 роки тому +1

      @@lucasholley6026 Is the soundtrack the same?

    • @lucasholley6026
      @lucasholley6026 3 роки тому

      @@Rigicai05 More or less. The Bricks have Dub with Dub score (where applicable), Dub with Sub score, and Sub with Sub Score.

    • @lucasholley6026
      @lucasholley6026 3 роки тому

      @Rigicai05 I should mention that except for the single DVDs/VHS Tapes, when it says "U.S. Broadcast Audio" it is not really US broadcast audio. It uses the dub tracks and the revised dub to peacemeal together an almost broadcast version.

  • @maxdishaw
    @maxdishaw 3 роки тому +1

    This answered a lot of questions! Thanks for making this video!!

  • @Scsigs
    @Scsigs Рік тому +18

    Kai isn't a bad version of Z. Though a bit censored due to changing broadcast standards, it got significantly less so over time & is actually very watchable. Though the redrawn frames CAN look distracting, there aren't a lot of them. Plus, I think the pacing & English dub are far superior to Z's. Although, The Final Chapters could've done without the cropping to widescreen & keeping in of more filler than it should've. Condensed more closely to 52 episodes or so, I think it would've been better off for it.

    • @RubenzWorld
      @RubenzWorld Рік тому +1

      I agree with you

    • @paperluigi6132
      @paperluigi6132 Рік тому +4

      They should’ve at least kept the driving episode which, to my knowledge, is the most popular and well received of all of Z’s filler.

    • @SonicmanChannel
      @SonicmanChannel 11 місяців тому +2

      i just straight up agree with this.

    • @Scsigs
      @Scsigs 11 місяців тому +3

      @@paperluigi6132 Meh. Whether a filler was popular or not, it makes no difference. It also still exists on the home releases of Z, so you can still enjoy it all you want.

  • @Maceyoshiman
    @Maceyoshiman Рік тому +3

    I'm shocked. I watched the entire thing on Orange Brick and had no idea of the downgrades.

  • @seamistseamist
    @seamistseamist 7 місяців тому +4

    It sucks that DB and GT probably have no chance of a good color corrected HD release that Z has seen at least a bit of.

    • @unkono
      @unkono 5 місяців тому +2

      AB group Blurays

  • @yannickbougard8706
    @yannickbougard8706 3 роки тому +1

    Great work and great video! We see how much you care. I cannot bring myself to buy any available version ( as the level set were abandoned ).
    Would you agree that buying the Kai blu ray to chew on and wait for maybe one day a proper DBZ realease would make sense?

  • @Tiknuttle
    @Tiknuttle 3 роки тому +10

    The orange brick were really bad, even noticable for casual fans

  • @TheAshholeBoy
    @TheAshholeBoy 3 роки тому +11

    Thank god I downloaded the original video to watch when the Internet was cutted off.

    • @whatsupbossanova
      @whatsupbossanova 3 роки тому +3

      Smart man, I’ve done this before and have managed to save lost videos before

    • @dinogt8477
      @dinogt8477 3 роки тому +2

      Animepahe is a great website to watch db

    • @SuperZaiyan9
      @SuperZaiyan9 2 місяці тому

      Is there a way you got upload it so the original video can be preserved ?

    • @TheAshholeBoy
      @TheAshholeBoy 2 місяці тому

      @@SuperZaiyan9 About that... I need to check If my HD is still working. Not only that, but to buy the adaptador for the same to work via USB. Can't make any promisses, tho.

  • @BaconMinion
    @BaconMinion Рік тому +8

    It's like Funimation was always a terrible company or something.

  • @ladyinwight
    @ladyinwight 3 роки тому +1

    this is an amazing video, how many views did the original have? i hope it was a hell of a lot more than 3000

  • @davidbowick7830
    @davidbowick7830 2 роки тому +3

    I can't get over the editing of the guy in the chair around the 40:00 min mark saying the same damn lie over and over again. :D lol

  • @KirbyPhelpsPK
    @KirbyPhelpsPK Рік тому +4

    I'm surprised you think Kai is trash. So many long time Dragon Ball fans think it's the best way to experience the series because it's paced much better, being more in line with the manga, and the dub is far better with dialogue that more faithfully matches the Japanese script.
    I mean, I personally still prefer the original because I enjoy SOME of the filler and I greatly prefer the original Japanese soundtrack. But reasons for liking Kai more are perfectly valid.

  • @nakkiperuna5723
    @nakkiperuna5723 Рік тому +6

    I don't think we will ever get a well done Hd remaster of DBZ as long as Funi had the license. Discotek Media did some fantastic remaster for Cagliostros Castle and Hajime no Ippo. Both look stunning. Crisp graphics and looks great.

  • @revengenerd1
    @revengenerd1 2 роки тому +1

    Though there was quite a few other things in my life that affected everything in my life, the orange bricks were the main reason that made me change from a huge DB fan to just watching it now and again. I mean I binge watched DB - GT in 2001 (back when the only option was the vhs rips and bad fan subs put onto VCD's) and binge watched again in 2003 and 2004. It took me until 2010 to watch about half of DB and DBZ and I never finished the rest of the series until lockdown to finish off the series.

  • @CalderTF2
    @CalderTF2 3 роки тому +7

    Kai is probably the best looking way to currently watch, sure it does cut out a lot of filler, and the raditz saga is heavily censored, but it's still great.