@@hockeycardsgongshow I am only suggesting a new content opportunity to follow a record sale that you posted that is an out of the norm of expectation.
I agree with Mitch without appropriate context these posts of high sales can do more disservice than service. There is no balance such as also posting low record sales of cards which can actually possibly be more valuable to the hobby to report of how the card market is trending.
I should add to the Brady auto/LCS/Card Ladder comment below ; when I suggested that the Card Ladder comp could possibly be in accurate the LCS totally discounted that . I politely withdrew the card for sale.
I had a discussion with an LCS about buying a high end Brady auto and they used card ladder comps against me about discussing what is the actual value of a card. I wonder from Mitch’s point about posting “single data point” and “Data Courtesy of Card Ladder” may be too “lax” maybe remind the readers of the post that “Single Data Point Courtesy of Card Ladder”.
I commend Josh for letting us know that he has drawn a line and does not post communications he receives of private sales. I still do not understand if the fact that apparently Card Ladder does is a something I support.
Unless you are cracking those cards out of the slabs, why would you steal cards that have serial number ? Not good for Ebay, no card shop would take them. They are doomed.
I think you missed Mitch’s point. There is a subliminal suggestion to a new collector to buy lesser priced Makar cards because they may be falsely influenced that ALL Makar cards are on the rise.
All great Chara facts, he's also doing all these athletic feats on a plant-base diet! And I believe he was eating plant-based for the later years of his NHL career too.
The challenges for someone that is a buyer only in his marketplace like myself is that Mascot relationship now posts a volume of cards that I have to filter through as they are of no interest to me.
I think they have a good advanced search filtering system that I'd try then send Mark any suggestions you have to make it easier to find what you're looking for.
The new "record sale" for the Makar Cup card is a fake sale, nobody is paying that much even if it is a psa 10. I paid a fraction for my Makar number 1/12 The Cup Gold RPA. I don't blame you for bringing attention to this fake sale but newbies need to know this is how the game is sadly played at times and to realize this is a fake sale. I'm a big fan of My Card Post, anything that can help lower fee's is good for the hobby. I'm going to the National in a few weeks, I will be scouring only for hockey cards so I will report back and let you guys know what the scene is like for hockey cards .
Excellent point similar to what Mitch made about newcomers or "newbies" being possibly misled and thus the these posts. Again if you want to to continue posting "high record sales" then perhaps provide more context or not do it all. I have found the information to be not relevant without context but still put a "like" on the posts.
I don't know what Mitch thinks the Gongshow's responsibility is in making a social media post, but it seems like he believes they are a media outlet that should be double and triple checking facts. Turns out it sale was confirmed in real time during the interview, so now what? The post was still wrong? Everyone just take a breath. I love the innerwebs, but I loved it a lot more before everyone on it was an "expert" ruining all the fun.
On my personnal perspective, the less a card is print, /1 /5 /10 /25 the less the eBay comp makes sense. I mean, you can’t ONLY use 1 sale on a /10 card to set a value. If I had one of these Makar card. Let’s say Someone selling 1 at $100 wouldn’t make a new statement of value. I would tell the buyer to find another one at $100. The same applies to this sale. This comp system works well on YG or /999 FWA nothing short printed. You wouldn’t take only one comp on a YG sale. Why would we do it on a /10 card ?
*HYPERBOLIC STATEMENT ALERT* Is expecting comp pricing killing the hobby? Dont we all want our cards to increase in value? That is hard to do when everyone knows what everyone else has paid for every card, and expects that to hold in perpetuity. And If everyone expects to always pay the same price, where are the margins for sellers supposed to come from? If a reseller's "85% of comps" buy-rate gets reported, or if they snipe an auction under value, that lower price becomes the new comp! Its a vicious cycle. I rely on resellers/flippers for 95% of my inventory and PC, so want them to be able to afford to stay in business.
I joined MCP after seeing it here and I have not had any positive experiences. My card focus might be too narrow, but I listed ~40 cards at or below Ebay comps with an even lower minimum offer price. The offers I received overpriced their cards (and when I made counter offers closer to ebay comps they canceled the transaction.) I did get one cash offer at my minimum which I accepted to get a completed deal but the buyer backed out after we agreed on a price. I've sent several messages asking about people's card and didn't get any reply. I'm sticking around to the end of the month but right now I don't expect to stay around. The Howe is part of the set (Card 193,) but the one you showed is an error (as you mentioned.)
Hi, I'm very sorry to hear that. How can I best support you? Having minimum offer prices set can prevent attempted buyer cash offers from reaching you (as they get an error saying the offer doesn't meet your minimum). My preference is to always set minimum offers to $1 or 1%, as I'd rather receive any offer from an interested buyer (even if low) and attempt to negotiate with them and find a deal (or not, which is okay too). Another tip is to look at our leaderboards from some of the most active members/traders and attempt deals with them, as you can almost guarantee a fair negotiation and response. Even with me... I just looked at your page and am very interested in that Stature Jeremy Swayman RPA! :)
@@mycard_post The marketplace is the marketplace and your clients clearly can do as they please. I never understand why a client would list on your MCP platform the same prices as they do on their eBay store. I understand this is not an issue for MCP but to be more transparent, lesser fees for your platform users may not translate to lower fees or costs for us who strictly buy on your platform.
PSA is uses human graders and it's essentially an opinion by one person at that one moment....you're highlighting why it's important to buy the card and not the label.
I think your openness to possibly reconfiguring your post is admirable. I am less concerned about the accuracy of the post as far as refunded sake and abuse as the possible psychological disservice to your viewers .
Appreciate your feedback but disagree that it's a disservice to post sales that we find are interesting. We like seeing record sales and present that they happened then in every case ask the viewer what they think. We're less concerned with our opinion or editorialization and more interested in what the community thinks.
Can you expand on your statement that this is a disservice to the viewers? My response is the guys are taking the most accurate information that they or we have available as collectors to verify a paid for sale. Although this was verified as a legitimate sale sure, there could be that one which is total b.s but I wouldn’t call their approach to provide collectors information on new record sales a disservice. Do your due diligence (everyone) and fact checking if you disagree before just calling out that something is fake without checking for yourself.
@@78rlewi Mitch pointed some items that there could be more context especially for new collectors. I was left with the impression without context "oh look at how Makar cards must be on the rise". Context would be to give an indication of how scarce or rare this card is. Mitch mentioned providing the last 3 comps. Mitch suggested putting in the post that this represents "one data point" and thus the word "data" could be interpret at pleural. The "disservice" is the "lack of context:". "inst:
Eagerly waiting for this one!! Let's Go!!
If you continue “The New Hockey Record Sale” posts perhaps do a periodic follow up of how this Makar card does.
It was paid for and shipped according to the seller. As far as every tool available to measure a sale it's just that.
@@hockeycardsgongshow I am only suggesting a new content opportunity to follow a record sale that you posted that is an out of the norm of expectation.
Love when you do vintage cards my day of collecting pre 1990
Always have to mix vintage in....glad you enjoy!
Keep it up!!💯
Thank you!
I agree with Mitch without appropriate context these posts of high sales can do more disservice than service. There is no balance such as also posting low record sales of cards which can actually possibly be more valuable to the hobby to report of how the card market is trending.
Josh with probably the greatest point of the entire interview 39:38
I should add to the Brady auto/LCS/Card Ladder comment below ; when I suggested that the Card Ladder comp could possibly be in accurate the LCS totally discounted that . I politely withdrew the card for sale.
I had a discussion with an LCS about buying a high end Brady auto and they used card ladder comps against me about discussing what is the actual value of a card. I wonder from Mitch’s point about posting “single data point” and “Data Courtesy of Card Ladder” may be too “lax” maybe remind the readers of the post that “Single Data Point Courtesy of Card Ladder”.
Ehhhhh I managed to pull a Logan Cooley Acetate YG in my 2nd box of Extended, not sure if I'll hold or sell. Great episode again guys cheers
Dang! Nice hit...us MN boys are jealous!
I commend Josh for letting us know that he has drawn a line and does not post communications he receives of private sales. I still do not understand if the fact that apparently Card Ladder does is a something I support.
Unless you are cracking those cards out of the slabs, why would you steal cards that have serial number ? Not good for Ebay, no card shop would take them. They are doomed.
They can wait 5 - 10 years and just sell them with same serial #. At that point there is no proof. Psa and ebay don't asterisk stolen cards
I think they will definitely crack and resubmit. New cards, the perfect crime. Total scumbags
@@RCA_Domeactually, I've heard the opposite
@@sportsfix6975 i hope you are right
Follow up follow up follow up of future sales of this record sale may be in order.
Do we know the print run of this Makar card or have an educated guess of its scarcity or rarity?
I think you missed Mitch’s point. There is a subliminal suggestion to a new collector to buy lesser priced Makar cards because they may be falsely influenced that ALL Makar cards are on the rise.
All great Chara facts, he's also doing all these athletic feats on a plant-base diet! And I believe he was eating plant-based for the later years of his NHL career too.
Interesting! Thanks for adding to the convo.
The challenges for someone that is a buyer only in his marketplace like myself is that Mascot relationship now posts a volume of cards that I have to filter through as they are of no interest to me.
I think they have a good advanced search filtering system that I'd try then send Mark any suggestions you have to make it easier to find what you're looking for.
The new "record sale" for the Makar Cup card is a fake sale, nobody is paying that much even if it is a psa 10. I paid a fraction for my Makar number 1/12 The Cup Gold RPA. I don't blame you for bringing attention to this fake sale but newbies need to know this is how the game is sadly played at times and to realize this is a fake sale.
I'm a big fan of My Card Post, anything that can help lower fee's is good for the hobby. I'm going to the National in a few weeks, I will be scouring only for hockey cards so I will report back and let you guys know what the scene is like for hockey cards .
Thanks for chiming in...appreciate your thoughts!
Excellent point similar to what Mitch made about newcomers or "newbies" being possibly misled and thus the these posts. Again if you want to to continue posting "high record sales" then perhaps provide more context or not do it all. I have found the information to be not relevant without context but still put a "like" on the posts.
I don't know what Mitch thinks the Gongshow's responsibility is in making a social media post, but it seems like he believes they are a media outlet that should be double and triple checking facts. Turns out it sale was confirmed in real time during the interview, so now what? The post was still wrong? Everyone just take a breath.
I love the innerwebs, but I loved it a lot more before everyone on it was an "expert" ruining all the fun.
On my personnal perspective, the less a card is print, /1 /5 /10 /25 the less the eBay comp makes sense. I mean, you can’t ONLY use 1 sale on a /10 card to set a value. If I had one of these Makar card. Let’s say Someone selling 1 at $100 wouldn’t make a new statement of value. I would tell the buyer to find another one at $100. The same applies to this sale. This comp system works well on YG or /999 FWA nothing short printed. You wouldn’t take only one comp on a YG sale. Why would we do it on a /10 card ?
Appreciate you adding your thoughts to the conversation!
*HYPERBOLIC STATEMENT ALERT* Is expecting comp pricing killing the hobby?
Dont we all want our cards to increase in value? That is hard to do when everyone knows what everyone else has paid for every card, and expects that to hold in perpetuity. And If everyone expects to always pay the same price, where are the margins for sellers supposed to come from? If a reseller's "85% of comps" buy-rate gets reported, or if they snipe an auction under value, that lower price becomes the new comp! Its a vicious cycle. I rely on resellers/flippers for 95% of my inventory and PC, so want them to be able to afford to stay in business.
Thanks for adding your perspective. Very complicated issue and you raise some good points :)
I joined MCP after seeing it here and I have not had any positive experiences. My card focus might be too narrow, but I listed ~40 cards at or below Ebay comps with an even lower minimum offer price. The offers I received overpriced their cards (and when I made counter offers closer to ebay comps they canceled the transaction.) I did get one cash offer at my minimum which I accepted to get a completed deal but the buyer backed out after we agreed on a price. I've sent several messages asking about people's card and didn't get any reply. I'm sticking around to the end of the month but right now I don't expect to stay around.
The Howe is part of the set (Card 193,) but the one you showed is an error (as you mentioned.)
Hi, I'm very sorry to hear that. How can I best support you?
Having minimum offer prices set can prevent attempted buyer cash offers from reaching you (as they get an error saying the offer doesn't meet your minimum). My preference is to always set minimum offers to $1 or 1%, as I'd rather receive any offer from an interested buyer (even if low) and attempt to negotiate with them and find a deal (or not, which is okay too).
Another tip is to look at our leaderboards from some of the most active members/traders and attempt deals with them, as you can almost guarantee a fair negotiation and response.
Even with me... I just looked at your page and am very interested in that Stature Jeremy Swayman RPA! :)
@@mycard_post The marketplace is the marketplace and your clients clearly can do as they please. I never understand why a client would list on your MCP platform the same prices as they do on their eBay store. I understand this is not an issue for MCP but to be more transparent, lesser fees for your platform users may not translate to lower fees or costs for us who strictly buy on your platform.
How is that Makar a 10? If you look at the faint loops in the background, they are not centered.
PSA is uses human graders and it's essentially an opinion by one person at that one moment....you're highlighting why it's important to buy the card and not the label.
@@hockeycardsgongshow Newcomers or newbies may not yet understand this point though.
I think your openness to possibly reconfiguring your post is admirable. I am less concerned about the accuracy of the post as far as refunded sake and abuse as the possible psychological disservice to your viewers .
Appreciate your feedback but disagree that it's a disservice to post sales that we find are interesting. We like seeing record sales and present that they happened then in every case ask the viewer what they think. We're less concerned with our opinion or editorialization and more interested in what the community thinks.
Can you expand on your statement that this is a disservice to the viewers?
My response is the guys are taking the most accurate information that they or we have available as collectors to verify a paid for sale. Although this was verified as a legitimate sale sure, there could be that one which is total b.s but I wouldn’t call their approach to provide collectors information on new record sales a disservice. Do your due diligence (everyone) and fact checking if you disagree before just calling out that something is fake without checking for yourself.
@@78rlewi Mitch pointed some items that there could be more context especially for new collectors. I was left with the impression without context "oh look at how Makar cards must be on the rise". Context would be to give an indication of how scarce or rare this card is. Mitch mentioned providing the last 3 comps. Mitch suggested putting in the post that this represents "one data point" and thus the word "data" could be interpret at pleural. The "disservice" is the "lack of context:".
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@@hockeycardsgongshow We can agree to disagree.
If this is not a disservice then what service does such posts provide?
You guys are a bunch of clowns...
Just kidding. What an amazing show! I wish we had something like your show about football and baseball as well.
Not breakings news there lol. And, thanks for the kind words!