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Hockey Cards Gongshow Podcast
United States
Приєднався 23 чер 2022
A hockey card focused podcast featuring Josh, BabaLewi and Phil (The Loud Collector) that takes an in-depth look into the current state of the hockey card market, rising players, new product releases and trends intended for the spectrum of collectors, flippers and investors.
Could Celebrini or Michkov Be Better Than Bedard? Phil Confronts PSA & Lane Hutson Rookie Deep Dive
Our Patreon - www.patreon.com/HockeyCardsGongshow
On this episode of the Hockey Cards Gongshow podcast we start with Get To Know Your Hockey Hall of Famers, this time looking at the life, hockey career and hobby market for Frank Nighbor. Next, Rookie Deep Dive returns for the 2024-25 hobby class and based on your votes we go deep on the Montreal Canadiens young defenseman, Lane Hutson. In hobby news, we set up Phil to confront his grading and PSA issues with special guest Brad Hartlin, director for PSA Canada. Is there a possibility that Macklin Celebrini or Matvei Michkov is better than Connor Bedard? 2024-25 Artifacts is out and we give our Instant reactions, also 2022-23 Fleer Ultra comes out today exclusively on ePack. BabaLewi's Top 5 favorite PC cards. We highlight our favorite vintage and modern cards in the current Fanatics Weekly Auction, then end the show with personal pickups.
00:00:14 - Intro
00:10:42 - Get To Know Your Hall of Famers
00:20:12 - Rookie Deep Dive; 2024-25 Edition
00:35:49 - Hobby News
02:05:54 - Better Than Bedard?
02:31:32 - 2024-25 Artifacts Instant Reactions
02:42:58 - BabaLewi’s Five Favorite PC Cards
02:48:00 - Fanatics Weekly Hockey Preview
03:10:32 - Personal Pickups
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The Hockey Cards Gongshow podcast is a production of Dollar Box Ventures LLC.
On this episode of the Hockey Cards Gongshow podcast we start with Get To Know Your Hockey Hall of Famers, this time looking at the life, hockey career and hobby market for Frank Nighbor. Next, Rookie Deep Dive returns for the 2024-25 hobby class and based on your votes we go deep on the Montreal Canadiens young defenseman, Lane Hutson. In hobby news, we set up Phil to confront his grading and PSA issues with special guest Brad Hartlin, director for PSA Canada. Is there a possibility that Macklin Celebrini or Matvei Michkov is better than Connor Bedard? 2024-25 Artifacts is out and we give our Instant reactions, also 2022-23 Fleer Ultra comes out today exclusively on ePack. BabaLewi's Top 5 favorite PC cards. We highlight our favorite vintage and modern cards in the current Fanatics Weekly Auction, then end the show with personal pickups.
00:00:14 - Intro
00:10:42 - Get To Know Your Hall of Famers
00:20:12 - Rookie Deep Dive; 2024-25 Edition
00:35:49 - Hobby News
02:05:54 - Better Than Bedard?
02:31:32 - 2024-25 Artifacts Instant Reactions
02:42:58 - BabaLewi’s Five Favorite PC Cards
02:48:00 - Fanatics Weekly Hockey Preview
03:10:32 - Personal Pickups
Partners & Sponsors
Fanatics Collect - fanaticscollect.pxf.io/Y96ARP
Slab Sharks Canadian Consignment - www.slabsharks.com
MINTINK - www.mintink.ca
My Card Post - www.mycardpost.com
Sign up for Card Ladder - app.cardladder.com/signup?via=HCGongsho
Follow Hockey Cards Gongshow on social media
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The Hockey Cards Gongshow podcast is a production of Dollar Box Ventures LLC.
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Monster Sales! These Are The Top 5 Hockey Cards Sales Last Week: Dec 1-7
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Our Patreon - www.patreon.com/HockeyCardsGongshow On this episode we feature the Top 5 Hockey Card Sales from December 1st- December 7th, 2024 which includes some monster sales! Partners & Sponsors Fanatics Collect - fanaticscollect.pxf.io/Y96ARP Slab Sharks Canadian Consignment - www.slabsharks.com MINTINK - www.mintink.ca My Card Post - www.mycardpost.com Sign up for Card Ladder - app.cardlad...
Life as a Hockey Breaker w/ Moneymoose, Phil's 5 Favorite PC Cards & NY Islanders Hobby Mt. Rushmore
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Our Patreon - www.patreon.com/HockeyCardsGongshow On this episode of the Hockey Cards Gongshow podcast we start with Get To Know Your Hockey Hall of Famers, this time looking at the life, times, and career of early hockey pioneer Dan Bain. Next it's week 8 of Who's Hot & The Struggle Bus. In Hobby Mt. Rushmore, we tackle the first Metropolitan Division team, the New York Islanders. In hobby new...
The Wax CT Scanning Threat & Potential Hockey Hobby Impact w/ Nick Andrews + Josh’s 5 Fave PC Cards
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Who's In The Top Spot? Here's The Top 5 Hockey Cards Sales Last Week!!!
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Our Patreon - www.patreon.com/HockeyCardsGongshow In this video, we count down the Top 5 Hockey Card Sales from last week (November 24th - November 30th, 2024). Partners & Sponsors Fanatics Collect - fanaticscollect.pxf.io/Y96ARP Slab Sharks Canadian Consignment - www.slabsharks.com MINTINK - www.mintink.ca My Card Post - www.mycardpost.com Sign up for Card Ladder - app.cardladder.com/signup?vi...
Master Class: The History of O-Pee-Chee w/ Bobby Burrell, Oilers Hobby Mt. Rushmore & Big Wild Trade
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Black Friday Sale Hockey Mega Box RIP: 2024-25 Series One w/ Keith from JustHockeyCards
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Our Patreon - www.patreon.com/HockeyCardsGongshow How about a little retail therapy on Black Friday weekend? Keith from @justhockeycards Pops on the channel to open up a 2024-25 Upper Deck Series One Mega Box....are there any big pulls? Just watch and see :) Subscribe to Keith's channel if you haven't already! Partners & Sponsors Fanatics Collect - fanaticscollect.pxf.io/Y96ARP Slab Sharks Cana...
Hobby Studs or Duds? Tracking NHL Prospects, Top 5 (Early) Engrained Sales & Team Canada 4 Nations
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Huge $96K Sale! Top Five Highest Selling Hockey Cards From Last Week
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Our Patreon - www.patreon.com/HockeyCardsGongshow On this episode we feature the Top 5 Hockey Card Sales from November 17th - November 23rd, 2024 Partners & Sponsors Fanatics Collect - fanaticscollect.pxf.io/Y96ARP Slab Sharks Canadian Consignment - www.slabsharks.com MINTINK - www.mintink.ca My Card Post - www.mycardpost.com Sign up for Card Ladder - app.cardladder.com/signup?via=HCGongsho Fol...
Are Connor Bedard Prices Headed Back To Earth? Rip One - Stash One, Sharks Hobby Mt. Rushmore + More
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"One Eyed" Frank McGee: Get To Know Your Hockey Hall of Famers
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Our Patreon - www.patreon.com/HockeyCardsGongshow This is a Hockey Cards Gongshow podcast clip where we covered the life, hockey career and hobby market for Hockey Hall of Famer: Frank McGee. On our show, we're profiling every Hall of Fame inductee starting with the inaugural class of 1945 and working up to present day. Partners & Sponsors Fanatics Collect - fanaticscollect.pxf.io/Y96ARP Slab S...
When's The Best Time To Sell Your Ovi Cards? Hockey Hobby Over/Under Rated, Top 5 2022 Premier Sales
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Will 2023-24 Engrained Be A Hobby Hit? Who's Hot & The Struggle Bus & Canada Post Goes On Strike
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Failed $3.72M Sale: The Only Sealed 1979 OPC Case Goes Back To Auction & Our Amazing Expo Week
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Top 5 Bedard Rookies for Under $1,000, Early Highest Selling 2024 Series 1 Young Guns & Confessions
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Confessions of a Hockey Card Dealer - Chapter Three - Hockey Cards Gongshow Podcast Clips
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Confessions of a Hockey Card Dealer - Chapter Three - Hockey Cards Gongshow Podcast Clips
The up charge does lack integrity as Phil says. PSA will make more money if they give a card a 10, thus they are incentivized to give out more 10s. Hard to argue this point. Great show as always!
Yeah, that's a tough line to walk
I don’t believe brad is right. I’d pay for graders notes esp a 10
It's hard to argue what he sees but I agree it feels like more would love graders notes. I certainly would!
Who won the fight? Anthony: You don’t have to think! Best guest response to a question!!
Yeah....lol.
Love this content!
Glad you enjoyed!
@ guys i need a way to reach phil. I have a Alfresson rookie he doesnt have and want to trade with him. Cheers!
Also Lewi, love your cards man. Awesome. That same Federov was one of my first big pulls too. I found my cards 2 years ago and relit my passion (quit collecting in 95). Also, growing up i knew Brendan Morrow who sat beside Modano as a rookie in the locker. Brendans first check was like $25k US for half month pay (alot of money for him). He was blown away. They used to put the cheque in their lockers. Modano opens his and apparently Morrow rubber necked and had a peek. Like $220k US or something crazy like that haha. This was a story around town anyways where his brother Jeremy and his parents still lived. Morrow ended up marying Guy Carbaneau's daught and did alright in the end.
Great story...yeah $220k was a lot of cash back then...still is!
Great episode Gongboys! Kudos to Brad for coming on the show. And especially thanks Phil for asking tough questions and not being a suck up haha. Some things were cleared up others not so much. Last year, a former grader on a well known podcast stated the "best" guys (i.e. fastest) graded a card in 30-60 seconds. Lol! No wonder the grades are all over the board. Nice job!
30 to 60 seconds seems to quick doesn't it?
Where's Potvins' Trophy Cards? Lol Jk, considering he was a Leaf for so long he was almost .500 in about 75 career playoff games...
Great show, so many nice cards. Thanks to everyone who showed their cards👍
Great show!!! Best from Germany:)
Thanks for Seider, Drisaitl and Stutzle! I have a ton of Seider rookie cards, and plan to get more...LGRW!
@ love all for of them:)
Oops 3😅
Very happy to see Potvin collector in the live . Some of UD nicest auto cards belong to “the cat”
Anthony is the man!! Thanks for watching Studio Sports!
Dont compare crosby to bedsy plus this is the new junk wax era
You have to in order to justify the prices for Bedard...which is kind of the point.....
Missing the chapter breaks for this episode, hopefully it's just this episode as they are super handy
They are in the description and are now showing up for some reason. We have no idea why...frustrating.
I Wana buy merch. Where can I buy gongshow merch ? Should have option on your website
Sorry :) Can you message us on IG??
I always thought you pronounced Frank Neighbor as Frank N-AY-bur, the person that lives next to you.
Huh....we'll have to look that up. Thanks!
Great show loved the segment with Brad. To answer the when did the hobby get sweeped up with Bedard it was when he was granted exceptional status in whatever league at 5 years old (I think 15 actually) and then scored at record breaking pace with Regina Being granted exceptional status is the first hobby alarm for any player McDavid received it as did tavares, Sean day Joe veleno Ekblad and you can look at Shane wright and the hype he had on the hobby for the same reason
Good point, thanks for the kind words too!
you have to discount all the pandemic prices. They were delusional
celebrini and michkov are already better and more complete players than bedard..bedard is lucky he was in a "weaker" rookie class, he wouldn't win the calder this year
I've met Brad a couple times and have enjoyed all his contributions on his channels and the BIC podcast and he always strikes me as one of the most genuine, honest and friendliest dudes in the hobby who also happens to have some pretty epic stories. Would love to see him on here more frequently
That's our plan. We have so many more questions to ask and want to hear his stories too
Bedard will be fine... he's 19 and plays on a terrible team
had a good game last night!
Brad the card collector is fun to talk cards with .
Agree 100%
PETG = Polyethylene Terephthalate Glycol
That's a lot of big words lol.....but thank you. I like Acetate better hahahaha
Thanks for including a dash of vintage in your coverage of current auctions. Your lineup of guests have been real bangers lately and Brad certainly provided some honest answers and insights today. Thanks boyz!!
We'll always include something vintage related in every show :)
1:04:16 "Charalizard" lol how dare he disrespect Charizard like that. In all seriousness great discussion/episode!
hahahahahaha....I kinda thought that was funny.
@1:19:52 preach Phil
Another great show, guys. I too don't like to be upcharged by PSA, but I understand their rationale. Comment to Phil......maybe not a precious analogy, but consider auto insurance for a Ferrari would be way more money than on a honda civic, even if both cars are driven by the same driver.
Not a bad analogy. I thought of hotel rooms last night that magically go up in rate on weekends and holidays.
Idea for a new segment. Now that the 3 of you all showed your top 5 PC cards. How about each of your top 5 wish list cards?
Great idea!
For older cards I completely agree that authentication is necessary to avoid fakes, but I have to disagree with Brad on turn around time and cost being the most important factors for someone submitting modern cards. How many stories have we heard of someone cracking a 7 or 8 or 9 and resubmitting it and getting a 10? Without grader's notes (or sub grades like BGS), then PSA will always, at least in my mind, be a high end crap shoot; The card may be a 6 or it may be a 10, but either way you will get no explanation. If PSA can provide notes, then i really don't think people would mind paying a little extra or waiting a little longer because, like Phil nailed 100%, the people who care about the cards will be patient and content while the people who care about the profits will be impatient and annoyed. also, the argument for upcharging doesn't make any sense. PSA is not the reason the card is a 10- the card is the reason it's a 10, so why should they get more money when they do the same thing for a 10 that they do for a 1?
Appreciate you chiming in with your thoughts!
Phil the Scuba DRiver 🤣 😂
Verdin here in Winnipeg
Ahh...good to know!
Really enjoy the listen guys. Question though, PSA always applauds their volume of cards graded, does it concern anyone? 1.5 million cards a month… even with 500 graders thats a card every 5 minutes working 8 hour days everyday of the month, start to finish in holder with label.
Yeah, it's a mind-boggling number for sure.
Great interview with Brad from PSA A must watch for every collector. Great job Josh and Louis!
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Happy you enjoyed.
Michkov always has been better than bedard, that should surprise no one. Celebrini might also be.
It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out.
Bedard is in his Sophomore slump at 19...I have no doubt he'll be winning trophies when hes 24+
That would be great....not rooting against him at all.
@hockeycardsgongshow can you guys speculate on Bedards output every show please?! Maybe he'll get 3 points every time ! 😆
send them to me! i bring stuff all the time across. i live righton the border. so i bring stuff for my dad all the time.
hobby mule :)
I’m sorry, But inconsistency in grading by PSA as Phil stated, was tiptoed around as an answer in my opinion. It shouldn’t matter how many cards you grade, or any other factor of not being perfect. your being paid to provide a service and unfortunately the price difference in the market place between grades is far to large for them to be having “mistakes”
I believe A.I. should be grading cards.
Appreciate you chiming in with your thoughts and adding to the conversation.
You guys produce the best hockey card content out there. I look forward to watching every week !!
Thank you...very much appreciated.
All jokes aside, Moose is the best. I break with her almost every night. She really takes care of her customers and we all have a blast joking around in there. The SCORPION repacks that Moose makes are by far the best repacks in the game. She really knows her stuff and picks some amazing cards for her Randoms. They are the best value you can get in a break. Definitely check her out and support the hobby. Stoked to see her featured on this podcast!
Happy you enjoyed her first appearance!
I’m starting to love you guys, keep your sticks on the ice🎉
Appreciate that very much. Thanks for the support!
The question is for the rest of 2024-25 products are they going to be crazy high like 23-24 or will they be reasonable.
From the presales we've seen they should be much more reasonable...thankfully
Very interesting to have Brad's imput!
It's always good to hear from representatives of companies we use as hobbyists. Brad is a great guy and we appreciate his willingness to come on the show and answer our questions.
Funny that Phil said about hitting pause and play at our leisure. Sometimes it takes me all day to listen to the show Because I always pause when I will be distracted and I don’t want to miss anything lol. Always so sad when it’s over and can’t wait for the next one. You guys are the best show on UA-cam!!
Appreciate your kind words Sebby so much.
This ^^^ plus 2 shows per!!! Friday night w/phil
How stoned is loud phil!? He can hardly open his eyes!!!!! Lmao.
Hahahahaha he does look stoned a lot...it's really that he doesn't wear his glasses and can't see so he gets squinty.
I will say this, if bedard was performing as expected the tax would be fine. But he's just a normal hockey player. Can't stand the hype tax. Plus idc about bedard. I also think Premier is better than the Cup this year.
Amber is a nerd. Always late to stream. Always sending skunk packs. Bribing kids with candy. She doesn't even return her shopping cart to the cart corral. The worst. She's kinda cute tho.
lol.
So if I work for psa long enough and start to make good money, maybe I would be able to defend their practices as well.
I think it's great that Brad was willing to come on the show and talk about his company. We may not agree with their practices but I assure you that Brad is a genuine guy and believes in what they are doing.
I totally understand and agree. I dont grade cards so I have no horse in the race. I see it more as a fun topic/ taking point that draws attention to the hobby. Kind of like the ct scanning “debacle”
Great show once again guys 🍻
Thank you! Appreciate that.
The coach or whatever in the "Debater's" team photo, totally looks like J.P. from Grandma's Boy lmao
Totally see the connection lol
Team Kapowski!!!
Great show boys! Thanks for bringing on Moneymoose. It was cool hearing her point of view on the hockey card breaking game. Cheers. - Ryan from Texas
Appreciate it Ryan! We are glad you enjoyed it.
I was the underbidder for the Bedard. Btw Josh, this is David Chau. So it’s legit. If its before the season or last season this would go for 100+
For a nutshell, I paid over 100+ for the first year Ovie Gold.
Thanks for the context David!