Four Wheel Drift ⚡ The Fastest Cornering Method?
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This is the legendary 4 wheel drift. A technique that is widely documented to be the fastest way around a corner. In this video I am going to tell you all you need to know about the 4 wheel drift, and at the end I'll be showing you exactly how to do it. So, make sure you stay tuned, you wont want to miss out on this one.
So, what is a 4 wheel drift? A four wheel drift essentially means that all four wheels are sliding, almost like oversteer and understeer at the same time. IF you are 4 wheel drifting correctly, you shouldn't need to counter steer at all. If you've watched my slip angle technique video, all of this this may sound familiar. But, the difference between a four wheel drift and the state of slip angle, is that a 4 wheel drift is produced when the tyres are over their limit of grip, while slip angle is produced on the very limit.
It's a common misconception that you need an AWD car to do the 4 wheel drift. In fact, the origins of the four wheel drift come from neither touring or rally racing like many of the techniques we've covered in this series. The first recorded 4 wheel drift was actually in formula one. Or rather, not Formula One. Because Formula 1 hadn't been invented yet. Picture this; the year is 1930 and drivers are lining for the Grand Prix Championship. The cars are primitive. There's no seatbelts, milimitre thick, tin can bodywork and helmets hadn't been invented yet (no, literally). It's just you,
an 8 cylider engine and four, skinny crossply tyres. Sounds scary right? Well, between the massive torque output of these cars, and the almost non existant brakes - it's not hard to imagine that these cars would almost never be well within the limits of grip, right? Correct. YOu've got to respect the absolute nut jobs that drove these things at their top speeds back in the day. Instead of driving around a track, these cars were in a constant state of both understeer and oversteer. A la, a 4 wheel drift. So, yes. The four wheel drift has been around for a very long time. Even Fangio said it was the fastest way of cornering back in the 1950s.
However, the reason these old shool drivers slide more, is that the optimum tyre grip was a lot, lot lower. So, with the otherworldy tyres we have today, is the 4 wheel drift really still as good as it's hyped up to be? And, is it still useful on the touge roads of Assetto Corsa?
Let's find out.
Usually you will only want to utilise the 4 wheel drift in all wheel drive cars. Doing so in a RWD car is a risky game, as only your rear wheels will be steering the car. In a four wheel drift, where your front wheels are pointed
are the diretion you'll go. Therefore, keeping the accelerator on the floor is essential for the 4 wheel drift.
With this in mind, you can imagine that the 4 wheel drift is an extremely versatile technique. If there's ever a corner that you'll need to brake substantially for, mashing the throttle and 4 wheel drifting around the turn
is a surefire way to shave those precious miliseconds off your times. Once a driver has mastered the four wheel drift, they can take corners at almost unbelievable speeds, much like we see in rally. This is what
makes AWD cars so overpowered on the touge. You can really chuck them into corners, and get out the other side unscathed, while also staying on the throttle the entire time. It actually becomes hard to crash
at all once you get accustomed to the 4 spinning wheels as they will pull you out of almost any sticky situation.
So, is the four wheel drift actually useful today? Very much so. It's is an invaluable skill to have in your driver toolbox, especially so if you love an AWD car. Make sure you carry on watching to learn how to do the 4 wheel drift.
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I've just released a new video about the Front Wheel Drive Drift. Check it out! ua-cam.com/play/PLrQwFcU5ZJuDi7vMLcVGLOGBaAtYV4GDe.html
can you also explain the rwd version of this?
None of this applies in real life, the computer decides traction and how much power goes to each wheel so it's not possible to power slide or drift with a 4x4 on tarmac, the only time you'll see them sliding is when they are rallying on gravel etc
ua-cam.com/users/results?search_query=evo+5+drifting @@jc6087
Your videos rule - entertaining to watch, interesting subjects, music's great and your explanations are concise and thorough!
"He's pulling a 4 wheel drift with full throttle and barely any countersteer, do you have any idea how incredible that is keisuke? Even I can't control my FC like that at the limit" -Ryosuke Takahashi
@Enderfenix what?
@Enderfenix umm I'm not sure, it was the race between nakazato and takumi, dub version I believe, if not it's the legend movies
Also, my quote wasn't exact but it was something like that
@Enderfenix yeah it's that scene
@Enderfenix Battle against the R32
"The steering is only a trigger and use the accelerator to turn the whole corner" - kyoichi sudo
I've always thought the same thing. Sometimes, I used to think some driving assist was on because the car was "steering on its own" but I then realised that it was my throttle input that was turning the car.
@@gigadonis8684 same i naturally do this in rwd cars since it lets me stay on the power while cornering at tight as possible it lets me pull off some cool speedy drifts
@@dr.dylansgame5583 you on gravel or tarmac?
my instructor told me there is two ways to turn steering and using throttle.
@@tonygc6925 To be honest it's all down to what car you are driving. Drive a Escort and ice and the steering is almost as useless as a solar powered torch. Throttle does 95% or steering. Meanwhile, you drive Fernando Alonso's Formula 1 car the throttle is basically a go button. If you want the car to steer then turn the wheel. As a general rule, the more grip you have available, the less steering the throttle has to do. There are some exceptions to that of course. Put an Audi Quattro S1 on the slippiest mud and you are still gonna have to yank that wheel like you yank your... Or drive Fangio's F1 car on literal glue and you will probably still have to steer with the throttle.
id like to add. When you transition between them, sometimes if you find the corner is kinda too grippy for you to loose traction, just tap the brakes as you transition. This will help pronounce the 4 wheel drift more before heading on the throttle.
Weight transfer
You should add why this is. For those who don't know why this is: Tapping the brakes shifts the cars weight to pre load the suspension.
yep good advice , thats a trick in normal drifting to make transition more agressive
@@Mystical_Zeus Tapping ABS brakes? You don't know how ABS works do you? You can't lock the wheels up with ABS because ABS is rapidly tapping the brakes to prevent lockups.....
Yea stupid, how else you gonna transfer weight. Tap, to strike (something) lightly. You also just said the ABS taps the brakes so can you not tap them or can you, let me answer for you, YOU CAN TAP THEM. JESUS CHRIST I DID NOT SAY LOCK UP ANYWHERE.@@jc6087
Can you drop some sweet, FWD techniques? Also, lovin'the content, great quality as always.
I think that'll be the next vid in this series!
@@TSRB any tips for a Tercel 4wd with fwd and 4wd? the front and rear outputs are locked together in 4wd
Left foot braking
We need lift off oversteer
@@TSRB Classic mini is the king of FWD sliding if ya need a good car for it ;)
This is a great channel love how you both show a method, but also explain the theory behind it. Something that is hard to find for racing techniques. Good stuff
Thanks for this great vid again! For those who asked about the Evo 5, for now it's private but will be a public release by the modder when he gets the entire evo pack done.
Ooh sounds very nice is he close?
@@fatboylopez6282 not sure though he's maybe doing all the variants so it's taking awhile. Please be patient too. He's practically doing it alone with some help from me and his few friends.
@@RyuKyu316 oh ok it’s better late than rushed anyway so hopes it’s good!
@@forecastumbrella1626 Yeah even has evo 7 GTA😂 The auto evo 7 lol
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That means he's going to do the Evo 9 wagon too? That would be dope but he should take his time making all the variants of the Evo line.
I love how the Mitsubishi lancer evo V has a yellow colour
Btw is it dandelion yellow?
I still can't do them with any real consistency but they do feel so good when they happen. First time I was like "wtf did I just do?" and then I checked the replay and it looked so cool.
Some great tips here as I didnt really know what I was doing XD
Amazing video.
A doubt & a potential video idea: "Are rally cars with their drifting style really faster in touge than street cars? ("Are street cars no match for the rally cars in touge"? )
Thanks!
I think at this point it depends on the driver
yeah sums cars a built for the tarmac rally stage
Rally cars don't drift on tarmac they stick like a DTM car or Le Mans prototype. If you watch this ua-cam.com/video/JrKdvAFbPOo/v-deo.html he only initiates a very slight drift on some tighter corners. Maybe back in the 1970s before AWD was a thing they did this, but now the cars are just so advanced.
@@gigadonis8684 yo its kimi
this is really the channel that I need. pretty simple explanation and easy to understand even if it is a complex driving technique
I've been doing this without knowing what it was ever called. it's such an amazing feeling to do this, and corners taken are amazing
I tried to practice this but i end up having to countersteer 🥺
@@AbcdEfgh-sq2tf try throwing the car a little bit less sideways, you have to countersteer only of you pass the point of no return
I tried it at ek akina first corner, to initiate a 4 wheel drift i usually full brake turn the wheel (keep in mind the faster you turn the wheel the faster the car will rotate) and start realeasing the brakes the rear wheels will start sliding before you enter the corner(maybe idk, when i try it they usually do) and then you just hold the wheel on the center and full trothle around the corner, and countersteer at the end so the car straightens out, im talking about a rwd car btw
You keep pumping out content that is relevant to what most people would like to replicate from Initial D or generally just learn for better performance. It just makes it so much easier to look for, seeing as not many other people have picked up on these techniques and uploaded them to YT yet.
Love the pacing and thoroughness of your explanations!
I love your channel! Great content and keep it up! Also really enjoyed the history behind the AWD drift :)
I use to have a small drift clan back when I played Forza Motorsports 2. I remember discovering the 4 wheel drift by accident. It took me a while, but I eventually figured it out. Problem was other players saw using AWD as cheating. Of course they also saw using many other RWD cars as cheating too. Basically, they were just salty. Also, there are several terms for some techniques. Weight Transfer drifting we called E drifting or the Scandiflick (Scandinavian flick) for example. But no matter what anyone called it, we knew what it was. Even when someone would mix up E drifting with Ebrake drifting. We were just on that level with eachother. We tandem drifted all the time to practice, drift raced, did some gymkhana horse (like horse in basketball ball) and whatever else we could to make practice fun. It was an absolute blast back in the day. Almost every drift clan was super friendly. There were toxic clans. I remember going solo matching with randos. I came across a clan eventually. I was using my signature team drift car, the IS 200. After I won the first race against them, they all turned on their mics and started the verbal assault. Called me trash for using the "noob drifter" car. I was baffled at their behavior and went on the defense. But then, I saw the next track was Fuji old downhill. So I switched to the offense and made a bet. I fold them that I would pick a stock car. And not only would I beat them in points, but I would beat them all down to the bottom. What car did I pick? Was it a Vipee? TME Evo? Perhaps the classic Silvia? Oh no, I picked the worst stock drift car. The AE86. They all picked souped up S and R3 class cars. 1 even got cheeking and picked the battering ram (Bugatti Veyron) which is what you pick when you wanna play demolition driftimg. Off the start, they got the lead. But Rammy McGee stayed back to harras me. But once I got over the hill, I never saw him again until the end of the race. I proceeded to chain my way down the hill. Passing 1 every now and then. The car was a handful,but I kept it going. The whole time, they were talking so much crap about how I had almost no points and was in last, not knowing I was in 1 ling chain. About 2/3 of the way down, I eventually cashed in a chain. I suddenly shot to 2nd place and all mics went silent. I proceeded to pass the rest of them in another chain, only cashing in at the bottom. I then did doughnuts before the finish line as it was custom to wait for the last player so they wouldn't get a DNF. Eventually, most of them caught up and gathered around silently as I continued my doughnuts Then eventually, billy goat comes barreling in and rams me across the line, causing the other guy to get a DNF. So the game loaded us back into the lobby slowly as they sat in silence. As soon as the lobby menu loaded up, A vote to kick me popped up and instantly filled with yes votes. See, what they didn't know was I had a drift racer I made. It was an 86. And that track is the very track I tuned and tested it on for several months. And in my small group of clan members, friends, and other drift clans, it was well known as the fastest thing in A class to go sideways. Its too bad they kicked me. Next I would have challenged them to a speed race. Their Bugatti R3 class vs my RX7 S class. A car I made specifically to chase down the Bugatti and the Ultimate Aero at a top speed of 287mph
this and the discovery of slip angle made me want to try hard sim racing again ! these are so much fun and as it's a real technique i feel like i seriously train and don't just fool around anf crash a bunch
Thank you !
As usual, you have made a very cool and helpfull video. Been drifting FR for a while and knew that 4WR was good, but this takes the cake. Gonna jump on A.C. and try the Evo tonight!
perfect I was looking for some knowledge about this technique, thanks bro
Liked and subscribed, excellent content. Always happy to support any racing channel with videos like this one.
Used this in a different game, my time in Mt Otsuki was lower than before. Thank you for showing this!
Great job, loved the video! Back in my day, the "weight transfer" was called the "Scandinavian flick".
Im happy to see your channel finally blowing up
You make entertaining and descriptive content, keep it up!
I found I like a setup where braking really compresses the springs and in that moment that the center of mass is lifting up and the car is technically lighter, that's when I hit the corner sideways in a drift. It feels much more stable and the beginning of the drift becomes more about pedals and less about turning
I remember in Gran Turismo 3 I had tuned an FD RX7 to 4 wheel drift perfectly. It was one of the most satisfying cars I tuned to drive since you could point it towards the apex and mash the gas, feather the throttle a bit, and it would shoot out the corner at full throttle.
the fruit lines are such a good place to practice this technique. good choice!
Wow! That was super informative and well illustrated, thanks! Now I only need to practice :')
I think the optimum method depends greatly on the tire and surface. Modern summer and race tires produce peak grip at very minimal slip angles and tend to lose grip dramatically as their angle is exceeded. But, if you're on a vintage bias-ply, low-silica 90s tire, or even a modern drift ir winter tire, that grip curve gets much wider and less "peaky." I was just out playing with my Miata on a set of Blizzaks in the rain. While I don't exactly have telemetry onboard, it feels very much that a good dose of drift angle is necessary to defeat the soul-crushing understeer and get the best grip. In a loose surface like snow or gravel, where the side of the tire can become meaningfully involved, getting some angle on the tires produces big results, which is obvious from rally technique.
really helpfull thanks love the edits too!
man im loving this style of content
Not gonna lie, the other best part about this video besides the actual content, is the way how you edit them.
It's just great.
3:22
Takumi: "And I took that PERSONALLY!"
Even using controller on a completely different game (Gran Turismo 7) this channel has really elevated my driving abilities. I'm certainly not skilled yet, but I'm getting there and I've got you to thank!
The 4 wheel drift saved my life once. Awesome video
Appreciate your video. Hope you can make another video like this
this technique is great on the shuto, love throwing the quadrifoglio around C1 with this
editing looking awesome, music choice amazing as always too
Thank you!
Love your guides man
I love your videos, the explanations are simple and the quality is always fantastic, they really help me get better on the touge, thanks!
Oh man! How have I not found you before?? I have an Evo V irl and have been wanting to play around a bit but wasn't sure exactly on the technique. Four wheel drift ftw!
This channel deserve many subscribers cuz how interesting it is
It's funny how this clicked more with me after watching the video, as I realized that I've done the brake entry method more than a few times in my Evo 4 irl as well
good to see rk getting attention from bigger channels
Just the best as always! Great video
Thank you!
In forza a few days ago i was asked to join a mountain drift thing some of my boys were doing. I didnt know much about drifting so i just did what was most comfortable as being new to manual on controller. After i learned to used body roll and the clutch this is all i did. They kept bitching and know i get it. I had a savant moment. Great video as well brother always good work
Some high quality content! You deserve atleast 10x the amount of subscribers you currently have
Thank you 😅
5:23 "Let Jesus take the wheel" 😂
great video, time to go practice this now
I remember doing it by accident in a Subaru, very satisfying when it happens
This is my favorite type of drifting, that I personally want to get good at.
me and my friends have a road near us and ive been practicing this technique irl for years. my 02 WRX stays consistently on the top. Great vid!
Is it really curvy?
I love goodwood revival. Watching these things race is cool
My favorite technique. Check out the evo 3 driver on hillclimb monsters i forgot his name but he definitely drove like he was having fun
Great content really well spoken!
I actually really like four wheel drifting a FR car, my preferred mothed of doing this (this one only works on cars that are not really powerful or have older style chassis like the AE86 or any mazda mx5 where you can shift the weight easily) is that when I get to a corner I lift off the gas and tap the breaks a little to shift the weight of the car forward to make the rear tires slip a little while turning the front wheels a little to gently guide the car towards the corner and now comes the tricky part is when doing this you need to step on the throttle at the right moment and keep it constant before arriving at the end of a corner where assuming you don't have too much angle opening up the throttle fully will straighten you out instead of spinning you out without any counter steering needed at all (also known as inertia drifting I think, probably...)
thank you for the tip it helped me playing other games
Bro best video, I took my car out, braked in the curve and I said "jesus, take the wheel" GG all went good
Great Quality Content. Keep it up!
Appreciate it!
Awesome video!
Reminded me of all the techniques I learned the hard way playing Colin McRae Rally 04.
Brought me nostalgia!
Thank you!
Nice music! (and video too)
I had been doing this without even realizing it.... wow. amazing video, i love the angles and inertia bars you use. you have EARNED a new subscriber.
Congratulations for 10.000 subs!
Thank you 😀
That's how its done, 4 wheel drift baby! Rally style!
Your so underrated bro🔥 can't wait
Thank you!
did not realise I was already using this technique when driving
TIME TO PRACTISE
Not to mention, this is one of the easiest technique to learn. In fact, most people would have learned it from Gran Turismo 4 or something. Its just hard to execute perfectly and consistently
Yeah, pulling this off in GT4 on accident with my Impreza and absolutely tearing past the guy I was chasing gave me a considerable “how do I do that again” moment.
the 4 wheel drift is vital to know if you live in the north, I need to get my first gen X3 fixed by the winter so I can dominate street racing in the snow lel
I used to do this in prosteet back when on my ps2 I had tuned my evo 10 perfectly but over time I've changed my driving style I bet this is why I still can't beat my old lap times from back when some tracks I have but there's a few I've just never matched since thanks for the vid il try it in beam ng since my ps2 is well not alive anymore but I do have my memory card laying around somewhere
glad your starting to get the following you deserve
Thanks, I appreciate it!
It's like having an Oversteer while also having an Understeer while clearing a corner. Hence it is called 4 wheel drift because all 4 wheels lost a strong contact or grip with the ground. I actually have done this in real life, it's scary fun but really deadly if you don't clearly have any idea on how to control an FR (Front Engine, Rear wheel drive) or a 4WD in which these vehicles are more prone with this scenario, then you'll face a major accident, might even cause you your body or worse your life.
I did an AWD drift just recently accidentally when I was about to miss a corner at low speed, that was fun lol luckily the police didn't see me do that 😅
Great video!
Amazing video!
When is doing the four wheel drift faster through the corner than simply gripping?
you are right about braking drift that has been done by even with all drivetrains And btw A piece of information this is also to be called now Slip angle btw, that is a technique was been on any drivetrain, actually it was used in 4WD drift or AWD drift always at all times. In History though you have mentioned.
Nothing feels better than a pendulum turn in dirt rally 2
its quite funny now that I think about it, Im an absolute dog crap driver both irl and in assetto corsa, but ive always managed to do a 4 wheel drift both in unrealistic driving games like gta5 and gmod and now in sim racers like AC instinctively without even realising it. Knowing its the fastest way when done right and an easy way to counter oversteer if im heading into a fast curve a little too fast, just a quick tap of the break with a sharp quick jolt of the wheel and ive avoided going off the track. Only now have I realised when searching up how to do a 4 wheel drift that ive been doing it all along as a crutch for my generally bad breaking/speed sense. Only been doing it in an ae86 though, gonna try it in a 4 wheel drive!
great video :D
I can't wait to try to pass people in blind corners with this technique
Never realized I’ve been doing trail braking w/ 4w drift in the snow. I found it’s easier to deal with understeer
I love and, its awesome! I used to do this all the time in my ralliart I'm dumping my tranz n eng into a evo asap
Recenlty discovered your chanell. Thank you universe, cause you are the person I needed in my life to perfect my driving passion.
evo and gr yaris/corolla are probably the only transverse engine cars you can consistantly do this in. others like golf r/rs3/a45/focus rs etc are all part-time 4wd with ether not enough torque sent to the rear cause the car to straighten up too early, or having their transfer case overheating locking the car in fwd only mode after you've done this for 5 or 6 corners in a row. if you do have an evo, gr 3cyl or any longitudinal engine car with proper lsd, lucky you. go nuts.
Could you do a video about how you should shift gears while using these techniques?
I'm itching to try this in real life lmao
Takumi uses the drift while Joshima uses slip angle.
In Initial D's second race Bunta gives the 86s suspension a tune to understeer when Takumi punches the gas, which means during the drift, Takumi is actually pulling off a 4 wheel drift due to under and oversteering, leading to his win.
Plus there's the deathmatch teaching him how to use the brake to drift instead of relying on the wheel which makes Takumi faster
Average initial Dick watcher
I mean, even before the suspension change and before even Takumi's first race against Keisuke, he was pulling off 4 wheel drifts all the time. Considering he explained drifting as understeering to stop the back end from spinning out while in the fuel station. Bunta just changed the settings to better utilize the tyres
Its wild doing it IRL after learning a bit
Yasssssss i want this a long time ago!
4 wheel drift is the only drift I mastered in Forza
"step on the gas and let jesus take the wheel" - im gonna use this quote from now on everytime I take my mom driving
This video helped so much. But man the music is angelic af. What are the songs used under this video?
Could you maybe do a technique for hairpins? Keep up the great content.
Logically: Back in the day with low grio tyres, and even in mdoern rally on low grip surface, since they had 'LOW' grip, they needed to somehow overcome likit f their cars capabilities, they used drifting for it. Wich means that you can theoretically overcome limitd of any kind of tyres on any kind of surface ( nasically limits of any kind of grip ) by entering a slide, doesnt katter rear or four wheel slide.
but on practice this shit is damn complicated
Gotta love the touge vids
The weight transfert technique is also called "scandinavian flick" in the rally world 😉
Yes they know this, they covered it in the inertia drift video
I call it Inertial Drift, because it sounds more cooler.🥶💙
as a keyboard veteran i can say that we keyboard racers use this technique since steering is 100% or not at all and so is throttle , sometimes just a slight tap can send you into a guard rail , so we usually use throttle steering instead , also we can't brake for the same reasons (100% or never) so we just use the tire friction to slow down.
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Yes i do this forza horizon 5, granted, the car i do it in is nowhere near meta and i have other cars that are faster, but it so nice and satisfying to pull off
The #4 Ford focus Colin McRae car just released on Forza Horizon 5 and lemme just say, it is way funner and faster than a B class car has any business being in that game. I'm having a blast driving it with my CSL DD and I have finally had that eureka moment of actually becoming a good driver and I'm whipping that car around like a pro. Feelsgoodman.
Oh and the new expansion map is great.
I didnt even know this was a thing. But i was still doing this in gta5 for atleast a few years
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My brain: "gas gas gas"
Wow that thumbnail is top tier
Thank you 💜