None of this applies in real life, the computer decides traction and how much power goes to each wheel so it's not possible to power slide or drift with a 4x4 on tarmac, the only time you'll see them sliding is when they are rallying on gravel etc
"He's pulling a 4 wheel drift with full throttle and barely any countersteer, do you have any idea how incredible that is keisuke? Even I can't control my FC like that at the limit" -Ryosuke Takahashi
I've always thought the same thing. Sometimes, I used to think some driving assist was on because the car was "steering on its own" but I then realised that it was my throttle input that was turning the car.
@@mancantswim66191 same i naturally do this in rwd cars since it lets me stay on the power while cornering at tight as possible it lets me pull off some cool speedy drifts
@@tonygc6925 To be honest it's all down to what car you are driving. Drive a Escort and ice and the steering is almost as useless as a solar powered torch. Throttle does 95% or steering. Meanwhile, you drive Fernando Alonso's Formula 1 car the throttle is basically a go button. If you want the car to steer then turn the wheel. As a general rule, the more grip you have available, the less steering the throttle has to do. There are some exceptions to that of course. Put an Audi Quattro S1 on the slippiest mud and you are still gonna have to yank that wheel like you yank your... Or drive Fangio's F1 car on literal glue and you will probably still have to steer with the throttle.
id like to add. When you transition between them, sometimes if you find the corner is kinda too grippy for you to loose traction, just tap the brakes as you transition. This will help pronounce the 4 wheel drift more before heading on the throttle.
@@Mystical_Zeus Tapping ABS brakes? You don't know how ABS works do you? You can't lock the wheels up with ABS because ABS is rapidly tapping the brakes to prevent lockups.....
Yea stupid, how else you gonna transfer weight. Tap, to strike (something) lightly. You also just said the ABS taps the brakes so can you not tap them or can you, let me answer for you, YOU CAN TAP THEM. JESUS CHRIST I DID NOT SAY LOCK UP ANYWHERE.@@jc6087
This is a great channel love how you both show a method, but also explain the theory behind it. Something that is hard to find for racing techniques. Good stuff
Thanks for this great vid again! For those who asked about the Evo 5, for now it's private but will be a public release by the modder when he gets the entire evo pack done.
@@fatboylopez6282 not sure though he's maybe doing all the variants so it's taking awhile. Please be patient too. He's practically doing it alone with some help from me and his few friends.
I use to have a small drift clan back when I played Forza Motorsports 2. I remember discovering the 4 wheel drift by accident. It took me a while, but I eventually figured it out. Problem was other players saw using AWD as cheating. Of course they also saw using many other RWD cars as cheating too. Basically, they were just salty. Also, there are several terms for some techniques. Weight Transfer drifting we called E drifting or the Scandiflick (Scandinavian flick) for example. But no matter what anyone called it, we knew what it was. Even when someone would mix up E drifting with Ebrake drifting. We were just on that level with eachother. We tandem drifted all the time to practice, drift raced, did some gymkhana horse (like horse in basketball ball) and whatever else we could to make practice fun. It was an absolute blast back in the day. Almost every drift clan was super friendly. There were toxic clans. I remember going solo matching with randos. I came across a clan eventually. I was using my signature team drift car, the IS 200. After I won the first race against them, they all turned on their mics and started the verbal assault. Called me trash for using the "noob drifter" car. I was baffled at their behavior and went on the defense. But then, I saw the next track was Fuji old downhill. So I switched to the offense and made a bet. I fold them that I would pick a stock car. And not only would I beat them in points, but I would beat them all down to the bottom. What car did I pick? Was it a Vipee? TME Evo? Perhaps the classic Silvia? Oh no, I picked the worst stock drift car. The AE86. They all picked souped up S and R3 class cars. 1 even got cheeking and picked the battering ram (Bugatti Veyron) which is what you pick when you wanna play demolition driftimg. Off the start, they got the lead. But Rammy McGee stayed back to harras me. But once I got over the hill, I never saw him again until the end of the race. I proceeded to chain my way down the hill. Passing 1 every now and then. The car was a handful,but I kept it going. The whole time, they were talking so much crap about how I had almost no points and was in last, not knowing I was in 1 ling chain. About 2/3 of the way down, I eventually cashed in a chain. I suddenly shot to 2nd place and all mics went silent. I proceeded to pass the rest of them in another chain, only cashing in at the bottom. I then did doughnuts before the finish line as it was custom to wait for the last player so they wouldn't get a DNF. Eventually, most of them caught up and gathered around silently as I continued my doughnuts Then eventually, billy goat comes barreling in and rams me across the line, causing the other guy to get a DNF. So the game loaded us back into the lobby slowly as they sat in silence. As soon as the lobby menu loaded up, A vote to kick me popped up and instantly filled with yes votes. See, what they didn't know was I had a drift racer I made. It was an 86. And that track is the very track I tuned and tested it on for several months. And in my small group of clan members, friends, and other drift clans, it was well known as the fastest thing in A class to go sideways. Its too bad they kicked me. Next I would have challenged them to a speed race. Their Bugatti R3 class vs my RX7 S class. A car I made specifically to chase down the Bugatti and the Ultimate Aero at a top speed of 287mph
@@ryland2077 Well I'm glad the You took the time to read it. It means a lot to me that you're that interested in what I have to say. But I'm sorry you're not able to understand anything. Please, feel free to ask me what I mean by any term or phrase or paragraph within this post
You keep pumping out content that is relevant to what most people would like to replicate from Initial D or generally just learn for better performance. It just makes it so much easier to look for, seeing as not many other people have picked up on these techniques and uploaded them to YT yet.
I still can't do them with any real consistency but they do feel so good when they happen. First time I was like "wtf did I just do?" and then I checked the replay and it looked so cool. Some great tips here as I didnt really know what I was doing XD
I tried it at ek akina first corner, to initiate a 4 wheel drift i usually full brake turn the wheel (keep in mind the faster you turn the wheel the faster the car will rotate) and start realeasing the brakes the rear wheels will start sliding before you enter the corner(maybe idk, when i try it they usually do) and then you just hold the wheel on the center and full trothle around the corner, and countersteer at the end so the car straightens out, im talking about a rwd car btw
Amazing video. A doubt & a potential video idea: "Are rally cars with their drifting style really faster in touge than street cars? ("Are street cars no match for the rally cars in touge"? )
Rally cars don't drift on tarmac they stick like a DTM car or Le Mans prototype. If you watch this ua-cam.com/video/JrKdvAFbPOo/v-deo.html he only initiates a very slight drift on some tighter corners. Maybe back in the 1970s before AWD was a thing they did this, but now the cars are just so advanced.
I think the optimum method depends greatly on the tire and surface. Modern summer and race tires produce peak grip at very minimal slip angles and tend to lose grip dramatically as their angle is exceeded. But, if you're on a vintage bias-ply, low-silica 90s tire, or even a modern drift ir winter tire, that grip curve gets much wider and less "peaky." I was just out playing with my Miata on a set of Blizzaks in the rain. While I don't exactly have telemetry onboard, it feels very much that a good dose of drift angle is necessary to defeat the soul-crushing understeer and get the best grip. In a loose surface like snow or gravel, where the side of the tire can become meaningfully involved, getting some angle on the tires produces big results, which is obvious from rally technique.
As usual, you have made a very cool and helpfull video. Been drifting FR for a while and knew that 4WR was good, but this takes the cake. Gonna jump on A.C. and try the Evo tonight!
Even using controller on a completely different game (Gran Turismo 7) this channel has really elevated my driving abilities. I'm certainly not skilled yet, but I'm getting there and I've got you to thank!
I remember in Gran Turismo 3 I had tuned an FD RX7 to 4 wheel drift perfectly. It was one of the most satisfying cars I tuned to drive since you could point it towards the apex and mash the gas, feather the throttle a bit, and it would shoot out the corner at full throttle.
I found I like a setup where braking really compresses the springs and in that moment that the center of mass is lifting up and the car is technically lighter, that's when I hit the corner sideways in a drift. It feels much more stable and the beginning of the drift becomes more about pedals and less about turning
evo and gr yaris/corolla are probably the only transverse engine cars you can consistantly do this in. others like golf r/rs3/a45/focus rs etc are all part-time 4wd with ether not enough torque sent to the rear cause the car to straighten up too early, or having their transfer case overheating locking the car in fwd only mode after you've done this for 5 or 6 corners in a row. if you do have an evo, gr 3cyl or any longitudinal engine car with proper lsd, lucky you. go nuts.
In forza a few days ago i was asked to join a mountain drift thing some of my boys were doing. I didnt know much about drifting so i just did what was most comfortable as being new to manual on controller. After i learned to used body roll and the clutch this is all i did. They kept bitching and know i get it. I had a savant moment. Great video as well brother always good work
this and the discovery of slip angle made me want to try hard sim racing again ! these are so much fun and as it's a real technique i feel like i seriously train and don't just fool around anf crash a bunch Thank you !
Oh man! How have I not found you before?? I have an Evo V irl and have been wanting to play around a bit but wasn't sure exactly on the technique. Four wheel drift ftw!
I actually really like four wheel drifting a FR car, my preferred mothed of doing this (this one only works on cars that are not really powerful or have older style chassis like the AE86 or any mazda mx5 where you can shift the weight easily) is that when I get to a corner I lift off the gas and tap the breaks a little to shift the weight of the car forward to make the rear tires slip a little while turning the front wheels a little to gently guide the car towards the corner and now comes the tricky part is when doing this you need to step on the throttle at the right moment and keep it constant before arriving at the end of a corner where assuming you don't have too much angle opening up the throttle fully will straighten you out instead of spinning you out without any counter steering needed at all (also known as inertia drifting I think, probably...)
Takumi uses the drift while Joshima uses slip angle. In Initial D's second race Bunta gives the 86s suspension a tune to understeer when Takumi punches the gas, which means during the drift, Takumi is actually pulling off a 4 wheel drift due to under and oversteering, leading to his win. Plus there's the deathmatch teaching him how to use the brake to drift instead of relying on the wheel which makes Takumi faster
I mean, even before the suspension change and before even Takumi's first race against Keisuke, he was pulling off 4 wheel drifts all the time. Considering he explained drifting as understeering to stop the back end from spinning out while in the fuel station. Bunta just changed the settings to better utilize the tyres
Not to mention, this is one of the easiest technique to learn. In fact, most people would have learned it from Gran Turismo 4 or something. Its just hard to execute perfectly and consistently
Yeah, pulling this off in GT4 on accident with my Impreza and absolutely tearing past the guy I was chasing gave me a considerable “how do I do that again” moment.
the 4 wheel drift is vital to know if you live in the north, I need to get my first gen X3 fixed by the winter so I can dominate street racing in the snow lel
It's like having an Oversteer while also having an Understeer while clearing a corner. Hence it is called 4 wheel drift because all 4 wheels lost a strong contact or grip with the ground. I actually have done this in real life, it's scary fun but really deadly if you don't clearly have any idea on how to control an FR (Front Engine, Rear wheel drive) or a 4WD in which these vehicles are more prone with this scenario, then you'll face a major accident, might even cause you your body or worse your life.
as a keyboard veteran i can say that we keyboard racers use this technique since steering is 100% or not at all and so is throttle , sometimes just a slight tap can send you into a guard rail , so we usually use throttle steering instead , also we can't brake for the same reasons (100% or never) so we just use the tire friction to slow down.
Yes i do this forza horizon 5, granted, the car i do it in is nowhere near meta and i have other cars that are faster, but it so nice and satisfying to pull off
achieving the perfect setup and balance for a 4 wheel drift in a RWD car is so much harder, yet so much more rewarding to full throttle through a corner without steering. (when you get the *perfect* balance in RWD car, you can even take hairpins like this)
It's funny how this clicked more with me after watching the video, as I realized that I've done the brake entry method more than a few times in my Evo 4 irl as well
its quite funny now that I think about it, Im an absolute dog crap driver both irl and in assetto corsa, but ive always managed to do a 4 wheel drift both in unrealistic driving games like gta5 and gmod and now in sim racers like AC instinctively without even realising it. Knowing its the fastest way when done right and an easy way to counter oversteer if im heading into a fast curve a little too fast, just a quick tap of the break with a sharp quick jolt of the wheel and ive avoided going off the track. Only now have I realised when searching up how to do a 4 wheel drift that ive been doing it all along as a crutch for my generally bad breaking/speed sense. Only been doing it in an ae86 though, gonna try it in a 4 wheel drive!
The #4 Ford focus Colin McRae car just released on Forza Horizon 5 and lemme just say, it is way funner and faster than a B class car has any business being in that game. I'm having a blast driving it with my CSL DD and I have finally had that eureka moment of actually becoming a good driver and I'm whipping that car around like a pro. Feelsgoodman. Oh and the new expansion map is great.
If youre driving a rwd car and you notice you cant four wheel drift infact you cant enter a drift at all bc the front end of the car is turning way earlier than its supposed to thats bc of the damping. Im just sharing my issue since i couldnt understand it back then but now its all clear to me. Your problem might be that the front end has lower damping than the rear (lower - faster shock compression which means the suspension reacts faster, higher - slower - the opposite). You probably noticed that you cant enter a drift at all (depends on your car though) bc the front end is reacting so fast that the rear doesnt have enough time to kick in and the only way to do it is by applying throttle. If you higher the front damping and lower the rear by a little it will fix the issue. The front will understeer a little but then it will turn and the rear will kick in at the same time and when that happens you will countersteer earlier and there you have it. Although im not sure how to change the damping in assetto since i dont have it as an option.
Also you might misunderstand me when you read my thingy. If your rear end isnt kicked in by the time you apply the throttle you wont do a four wheel drift but just a regular one. When your car is already rotated and the weight is centered then the car is ready to go.
You didn't mention Tazio Nuvolari, the 5 foot tall Italian who won the Nazi Germany Gp in 1930-something in the rain while 4 wheel drifting an Alfa Romeo in the rain that had about half the horsepower the germans had.
I did an AWD drift just recently accidentally when I was about to miss a corner at low speed, that was fun lol luckily the police didn't see me do that 😅
The biggest problem is that you first have to get a car powerful enough to keep the tires spinning. Theres nothing more painful than driving a stock lanevo that just doesnt have what it needs to perform a 4 wheel drift, because it just starts to grip mid turn due to low power...
you are right about braking drift that has been done by even with all drivetrains And btw A piece of information this is also to be called now Slip angle btw, that is a technique was been on any drivetrain, actually it was used in 4WD drift or AWD drift always at all times. In History though you have mentioned.
Games that i have played over the years (from kid to present day), i did some version of 4w drift because i was lazy. Less steering = less room for error
Logically: Back in the day with low grio tyres, and even in mdoern rally on low grip surface, since they had 'LOW' grip, they needed to somehow overcome likit f their cars capabilities, they used drifting for it. Wich means that you can theoretically overcome limitd of any kind of tyres on any kind of surface ( nasically limits of any kind of grip ) by entering a slide, doesnt katter rear or four wheel slide. but on practice this shit is damn complicated
As with all facets of racing: it depends. Certain situations I can get better speed flinging the car into a 4 wheel drift. But spinning means you aren’t accelerating so smooth is still my natural tendency
Hey! Thanks for the vid! I have 2 questions, can I do this in real life and does it also work for AWD vehicles? I plan to start drifting my Subaru Outback lmfao.
How much faster is it compared to grip though? Will you do a side by side comparison vid? If the time gap is minimal I think grip will be better due to consistency
Not really, grip is better for track, or closed circuit, but usually for rally you would add more slip angle because your trying to enter the corner at higher speed and counter act the side pushing force, but you shoot overboard and turn side ways. So it is better to use it in rally conditions, especially on dirt. Tldr: depends, grip use on spa, more slip angle at Monte carlo, cuase the drivers are not always trying to drift, but they just go overboard.
so this was where the "myth" of "drifting makes you go in corners faster" at least for non-4wd cars. Didn't playing arcade racing games solidified that misconception in me.
5:21 surely at this stage of turn-in, the throttle takes over modulating the yaw rate right? In other words, rather than stomping onto the gas and letting jesus take it from here, don't you still need to ease onto the gas (or not) so as to continue controlling the rotation of the car into the midcorner?
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I've just released a new video about the Front Wheel Drive Drift. Check it out! ua-cam.com/play/PLrQwFcU5ZJuDi7vMLcVGLOGBaAtYV4GDe.html
can you also explain the rwd version of this?
None of this applies in real life, the computer decides traction and how much power goes to each wheel so it's not possible to power slide or drift with a 4x4 on tarmac, the only time you'll see them sliding is when they are rallying on gravel etc
ua-cam.com/users/results?search_query=evo+5+drifting @@jc6087
Your videos rule - entertaining to watch, interesting subjects, music's great and your explanations are concise and thorough!
"He's pulling a 4 wheel drift with full throttle and barely any countersteer, do you have any idea how incredible that is keisuke? Even I can't control my FC like that at the limit" -Ryosuke Takahashi
@Enderfenix what?
@Enderfenix umm I'm not sure, it was the race between nakazato and takumi, dub version I believe, if not it's the legend movies
Also, my quote wasn't exact but it was something like that
@Enderfenix yeah it's that scene
@Enderfenix Battle against the R32
"The steering is only a trigger and use the accelerator to turn the whole corner" - kyoichi sudo
I've always thought the same thing. Sometimes, I used to think some driving assist was on because the car was "steering on its own" but I then realised that it was my throttle input that was turning the car.
@@mancantswim66191 same i naturally do this in rwd cars since it lets me stay on the power while cornering at tight as possible it lets me pull off some cool speedy drifts
@@dr.dylansgame5583 you on gravel or tarmac?
my instructor told me there is two ways to turn steering and using throttle.
@@tonygc6925 To be honest it's all down to what car you are driving. Drive a Escort and ice and the steering is almost as useless as a solar powered torch. Throttle does 95% or steering. Meanwhile, you drive Fernando Alonso's Formula 1 car the throttle is basically a go button. If you want the car to steer then turn the wheel. As a general rule, the more grip you have available, the less steering the throttle has to do. There are some exceptions to that of course. Put an Audi Quattro S1 on the slippiest mud and you are still gonna have to yank that wheel like you yank your... Or drive Fangio's F1 car on literal glue and you will probably still have to steer with the throttle.
id like to add. When you transition between them, sometimes if you find the corner is kinda too grippy for you to loose traction, just tap the brakes as you transition. This will help pronounce the 4 wheel drift more before heading on the throttle.
Weight transfer
You should add why this is. For those who don't know why this is: Tapping the brakes shifts the cars weight to pre load the suspension.
yep good advice , thats a trick in normal drifting to make transition more agressive
@@Mystical_Zeus Tapping ABS brakes? You don't know how ABS works do you? You can't lock the wheels up with ABS because ABS is rapidly tapping the brakes to prevent lockups.....
Yea stupid, how else you gonna transfer weight. Tap, to strike (something) lightly. You also just said the ABS taps the brakes so can you not tap them or can you, let me answer for you, YOU CAN TAP THEM. JESUS CHRIST I DID NOT SAY LOCK UP ANYWHERE.@@jc6087
This is a great channel love how you both show a method, but also explain the theory behind it. Something that is hard to find for racing techniques. Good stuff
Can you drop some sweet, FWD techniques? Also, lovin'the content, great quality as always.
I think that'll be the next vid in this series!
@@TSRB any tips for a Tercel 4wd with fwd and 4wd? the front and rear outputs are locked together in 4wd
Left foot braking
We need lift off oversteer
@@TSRB Classic mini is the king of FWD sliding if ya need a good car for it ;)
Thanks for this great vid again! For those who asked about the Evo 5, for now it's private but will be a public release by the modder when he gets the entire evo pack done.
Ooh sounds very nice is he close?
@@fatboylopez6282 not sure though he's maybe doing all the variants so it's taking awhile. Please be patient too. He's practically doing it alone with some help from me and his few friends.
@@RyuKyu316 oh ok it’s better late than rushed anyway so hopes it’s good!
@@forecastumbrella1626 Yeah even has evo 7 GTA😂 The auto evo 7 lol
@@RyuKyu316
That means he's going to do the Evo 9 wagon too? That would be dope but he should take his time making all the variants of the Evo line.
I use to have a small drift clan back when I played Forza Motorsports 2. I remember discovering the 4 wheel drift by accident. It took me a while, but I eventually figured it out. Problem was other players saw using AWD as cheating. Of course they also saw using many other RWD cars as cheating too. Basically, they were just salty. Also, there are several terms for some techniques. Weight Transfer drifting we called E drifting or the Scandiflick (Scandinavian flick) for example. But no matter what anyone called it, we knew what it was. Even when someone would mix up E drifting with Ebrake drifting. We were just on that level with eachother. We tandem drifted all the time to practice, drift raced, did some gymkhana horse (like horse in basketball ball) and whatever else we could to make practice fun. It was an absolute blast back in the day. Almost every drift clan was super friendly. There were toxic clans. I remember going solo matching with randos. I came across a clan eventually. I was using my signature team drift car, the IS 200. After I won the first race against them, they all turned on their mics and started the verbal assault. Called me trash for using the "noob drifter" car. I was baffled at their behavior and went on the defense. But then, I saw the next track was Fuji old downhill. So I switched to the offense and made a bet. I fold them that I would pick a stock car. And not only would I beat them in points, but I would beat them all down to the bottom. What car did I pick? Was it a Vipee? TME Evo? Perhaps the classic Silvia? Oh no, I picked the worst stock drift car. The AE86. They all picked souped up S and R3 class cars. 1 even got cheeking and picked the battering ram (Bugatti Veyron) which is what you pick when you wanna play demolition driftimg. Off the start, they got the lead. But Rammy McGee stayed back to harras me. But once I got over the hill, I never saw him again until the end of the race. I proceeded to chain my way down the hill. Passing 1 every now and then. The car was a handful,but I kept it going. The whole time, they were talking so much crap about how I had almost no points and was in last, not knowing I was in 1 ling chain. About 2/3 of the way down, I eventually cashed in a chain. I suddenly shot to 2nd place and all mics went silent. I proceeded to pass the rest of them in another chain, only cashing in at the bottom. I then did doughnuts before the finish line as it was custom to wait for the last player so they wouldn't get a DNF. Eventually, most of them caught up and gathered around silently as I continued my doughnuts Then eventually, billy goat comes barreling in and rams me across the line, causing the other guy to get a DNF. So the game loaded us back into the lobby slowly as they sat in silence. As soon as the lobby menu loaded up, A vote to kick me popped up and instantly filled with yes votes. See, what they didn't know was I had a drift racer I made. It was an 86. And that track is the very track I tuned and tested it on for several months. And in my small group of clan members, friends, and other drift clans, it was well known as the fastest thing in A class to go sideways. Its too bad they kicked me. Next I would have challenged them to a speed race. Their Bugatti R3 class vs my RX7 S class. A car I made specifically to chase down the Bugatti and the Ultimate Aero at a top speed of 287mph
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@@ryland2077 Yes, spread that copium around my dude xD
@@uncleweirdbeard86 LMFAO okay cause i was dying reading this i was like what the hell is this guy talking about 😭
@@ryland2077 Well I'm glad the You took the time to read it. It means a lot to me that you're that interested in what I have to say. But I'm sorry you're not able to understand anything. Please, feel free to ask me what I mean by any term or phrase or paragraph within this post
You keep pumping out content that is relevant to what most people would like to replicate from Initial D or generally just learn for better performance. It just makes it so much easier to look for, seeing as not many other people have picked up on these techniques and uploaded them to YT yet.
I still can't do them with any real consistency but they do feel so good when they happen. First time I was like "wtf did I just do?" and then I checked the replay and it looked so cool.
Some great tips here as I didnt really know what I was doing XD
I've been doing this without knowing what it was ever called. it's such an amazing feeling to do this, and corners taken are amazing
I tried to practice this but i end up having to countersteer 🥺
@@AbcdEfgh-sq2tf try throwing the car a little bit less sideways, you have to countersteer only of you pass the point of no return
I tried it at ek akina first corner, to initiate a 4 wheel drift i usually full brake turn the wheel (keep in mind the faster you turn the wheel the faster the car will rotate) and start realeasing the brakes the rear wheels will start sliding before you enter the corner(maybe idk, when i try it they usually do) and then you just hold the wheel on the center and full trothle around the corner, and countersteer at the end so the car straightens out, im talking about a rwd car btw
Amazing video.
A doubt & a potential video idea: "Are rally cars with their drifting style really faster in touge than street cars? ("Are street cars no match for the rally cars in touge"? )
Thanks!
I think at this point it depends on the driver
yeah sums cars a built for the tarmac rally stage
Rally cars don't drift on tarmac they stick like a DTM car or Le Mans prototype. If you watch this ua-cam.com/video/JrKdvAFbPOo/v-deo.html he only initiates a very slight drift on some tighter corners. Maybe back in the 1970s before AWD was a thing they did this, but now the cars are just so advanced.
@@mancantswim66191 yo its kimi
this is really the channel that I need. pretty simple explanation and easy to understand even if it is a complex driving technique
Some high quality content! You deserve atleast 10x the amount of subscribers you currently have
Thank you 😅
I think the optimum method depends greatly on the tire and surface. Modern summer and race tires produce peak grip at very minimal slip angles and tend to lose grip dramatically as their angle is exceeded. But, if you're on a vintage bias-ply, low-silica 90s tire, or even a modern drift ir winter tire, that grip curve gets much wider and less "peaky." I was just out playing with my Miata on a set of Blizzaks in the rain. While I don't exactly have telemetry onboard, it feels very much that a good dose of drift angle is necessary to defeat the soul-crushing understeer and get the best grip. In a loose surface like snow or gravel, where the side of the tire can become meaningfully involved, getting some angle on the tires produces big results, which is obvious from rally technique.
I love how the Mitsubishi lancer evo V has a yellow colour
Btw is it dandelion yellow?
editing looking awesome, music choice amazing as always too
Thank you!
me and my friends have a road near us and ive been practicing this technique irl for years. my 02 WRX stays consistently on the top. Great vid!
Is it really curvy?
As usual, you have made a very cool and helpfull video. Been drifting FR for a while and knew that 4WR was good, but this takes the cake. Gonna jump on A.C. and try the Evo tonight!
Im happy to see your channel finally blowing up
Even using controller on a completely different game (Gran Turismo 7) this channel has really elevated my driving abilities. I'm certainly not skilled yet, but I'm getting there and I've got you to thank!
I remember in Gran Turismo 3 I had tuned an FD RX7 to 4 wheel drift perfectly. It was one of the most satisfying cars I tuned to drive since you could point it towards the apex and mash the gas, feather the throttle a bit, and it would shoot out the corner at full throttle.
5:23 "Let Jesus take the wheel" 😂
I found I like a setup where braking really compresses the springs and in that moment that the center of mass is lifting up and the car is technically lighter, that's when I hit the corner sideways in a drift. It feels much more stable and the beginning of the drift becomes more about pedals and less about turning
I love your channel! Great content and keep it up! Also really enjoyed the history behind the AWD drift :)
Not gonna lie, the other best part about this video besides the actual content, is the way how you edit them.
It's just great.
Awesome video!
Reminded me of all the techniques I learned the hard way playing Colin McRae Rally 04.
Brought me nostalgia!
Thank you!
evo and gr yaris/corolla are probably the only transverse engine cars you can consistantly do this in. others like golf r/rs3/a45/focus rs etc are all part-time 4wd with ether not enough torque sent to the rear cause the car to straighten up too early, or having their transfer case overheating locking the car in fwd only mode after you've done this for 5 or 6 corners in a row. if you do have an evo, gr 3cyl or any longitudinal engine car with proper lsd, lucky you. go nuts.
Liked and subscribed, excellent content. Always happy to support any racing channel with videos like this one.
Used this in a different game, my time in Mt Otsuki was lower than before. Thank you for showing this!
it's not only a beautiful technique, it's exciting making the corner with it or slip angle specially in fpv.
Your so underrated bro🔥 can't wait
Thank you!
In forza a few days ago i was asked to join a mountain drift thing some of my boys were doing. I didnt know much about drifting so i just did what was most comfortable as being new to manual on controller. After i learned to used body roll and the clutch this is all i did. They kept bitching and know i get it. I had a savant moment. Great video as well brother always good work
good to see rk getting attention from bigger channels
this and the discovery of slip angle made me want to try hard sim racing again ! these are so much fun and as it's a real technique i feel like i seriously train and don't just fool around anf crash a bunch
Thank you !
This channel deserve many subscribers cuz how interesting it is
3:22
Takumi: "And I took that PERSONALLY!"
perfect I was looking for some knowledge about this technique, thanks bro
Love the pacing and thoroughness of your explanations!
Great job, loved the video! Back in my day, the "weight transfer" was called the "Scandinavian flick".
You make entertaining and descriptive content, keep it up!
The 4 wheel drift saved my life once. Awesome video
Just the best as always! Great video
Thank you!
4 wheel drift is the only drift I mastered in Forza
Oh man! How have I not found you before?? I have an Evo V irl and have been wanting to play around a bit but wasn't sure exactly on the technique. Four wheel drift ftw!
Appreciate your video. Hope you can make another video like this
Congratulations for 10.000 subs!
Thank you 😀
I actually really like four wheel drifting a FR car, my preferred mothed of doing this (this one only works on cars that are not really powerful or have older style chassis like the AE86 or any mazda mx5 where you can shift the weight easily) is that when I get to a corner I lift off the gas and tap the breaks a little to shift the weight of the car forward to make the rear tires slip a little while turning the front wheels a little to gently guide the car towards the corner and now comes the tricky part is when doing this you need to step on the throttle at the right moment and keep it constant before arriving at the end of a corner where assuming you don't have too much angle opening up the throttle fully will straighten you out instead of spinning you out without any counter steering needed at all (also known as inertia drifting I think, probably...)
glad your starting to get the following you deserve
Thanks, I appreciate it!
I had been doing this without even realizing it.... wow. amazing video, i love the angles and inertia bars you use. you have EARNED a new subscriber.
Bro best video, I took my car out, braked in the curve and I said "jesus, take the wheel" GG all went good
Takumi uses the drift while Joshima uses slip angle.
In Initial D's second race Bunta gives the 86s suspension a tune to understeer when Takumi punches the gas, which means during the drift, Takumi is actually pulling off a 4 wheel drift due to under and oversteering, leading to his win.
Plus there's the deathmatch teaching him how to use the brake to drift instead of relying on the wheel which makes Takumi faster
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I mean, even before the suspension change and before even Takumi's first race against Keisuke, he was pulling off 4 wheel drifts all the time. Considering he explained drifting as understeering to stop the back end from spinning out while in the fuel station. Bunta just changed the settings to better utilize the tyres
man im loving this style of content
Not to mention, this is one of the easiest technique to learn. In fact, most people would have learned it from Gran Turismo 4 or something. Its just hard to execute perfectly and consistently
Yeah, pulling this off in GT4 on accident with my Impreza and absolutely tearing past the guy I was chasing gave me a considerable “how do I do that again” moment.
Why am I trying to learn this for real life and everyone is commenting about games? lol. 🤪 the moment I realize I’m the problem.
Haha i dont drive but have seen how anyone who dares to do any drifting in real life gets chasticed by the track community @ericaantomez8991
the fruit lines are such a good place to practice this technique. good choice!
Wow! That was super informative and well illustrated, thanks! Now I only need to practice :')
the 4 wheel drift is vital to know if you live in the north, I need to get my first gen X3 fixed by the winter so I can dominate street racing in the snow lel
My favorite technique. Check out the evo 3 driver on hillclimb monsters i forgot his name but he definitely drove like he was having fun
It's like having an Oversteer while also having an Understeer while clearing a corner. Hence it is called 4 wheel drift because all 4 wheels lost a strong contact or grip with the ground. I actually have done this in real life, it's scary fun but really deadly if you don't clearly have any idea on how to control an FR (Front Engine, Rear wheel drive) or a 4WD in which these vehicles are more prone with this scenario, then you'll face a major accident, might even cause you your body or worse your life.
I remember doing it by accident in a Subaru, very satisfying when it happens
as a keyboard veteran i can say that we keyboard racers use this technique since steering is 100% or not at all and so is throttle , sometimes just a slight tap can send you into a guard rail , so we usually use throttle steering instead , also we can't brake for the same reasons (100% or never) so we just use the tire friction to slow down.
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Yes i do this forza horizon 5, granted, the car i do it in is nowhere near meta and i have other cars that are faster, but it so nice and satisfying to pull off
achieving the perfect setup and balance for a 4 wheel drift in a RWD car is so much harder, yet so much more rewarding to full throttle through a corner without steering. (when you get the *perfect* balance in RWD car, you can even take hairpins like this)
I love your videos, the explanations are simple and the quality is always fantastic, they really help me get better on the touge, thanks!
This is my favorite type of drifting, that I personally want to get good at.
this technique is great on the shuto, love throwing the quadrifoglio around C1 with this
It's funny how this clicked more with me after watching the video, as I realized that I've done the brake entry method more than a few times in my Evo 4 irl as well
Love your guides man
Can't wait to try this in Gran Turismo 7
Great Quality Content. Keep it up!
Appreciate it!
"step on the gas and let jesus take the wheel" - im gonna use this quote from now on everytime I take my mom driving
Wow that thumbnail is top tier
Thank you 💜
I love goodwood revival. Watching these things race is cool
Nothing feels better than a pendulum turn in dirt rally 2
its quite funny now that I think about it, Im an absolute dog crap driver both irl and in assetto corsa, but ive always managed to do a 4 wheel drift both in unrealistic driving games like gta5 and gmod and now in sim racers like AC instinctively without even realising it. Knowing its the fastest way when done right and an easy way to counter oversteer if im heading into a fast curve a little too fast, just a quick tap of the break with a sharp quick jolt of the wheel and ive avoided going off the track. Only now have I realised when searching up how to do a 4 wheel drift that ive been doing it all along as a crutch for my generally bad breaking/speed sense. Only been doing it in an ae86 though, gonna try it in a 4 wheel drive!
The weight transfert technique is also called "scandinavian flick" in the rally world 😉
Yes they know this, they covered it in the inertia drift video
I call it Inertial Drift, because it sounds more cooler.🥶💙
The #4 Ford focus Colin McRae car just released on Forza Horizon 5 and lemme just say, it is way funner and faster than a B class car has any business being in that game. I'm having a blast driving it with my CSL DD and I have finally had that eureka moment of actually becoming a good driver and I'm whipping that car around like a pro. Feelsgoodman.
Oh and the new expansion map is great.
I can't wait to try to pass people in blind corners with this technique
Ah, I now understand what was referenced in page 100, volume one of the Initial D manga, thank you very much.
If youre driving a rwd car and you notice you cant four wheel drift infact you cant enter a drift at all bc the front end of the car is turning way earlier than its supposed to thats bc of the damping. Im just sharing my issue since i couldnt understand it back then but now its all clear to me. Your problem might be that the front end has lower damping than the rear (lower - faster shock compression which means the suspension reacts faster, higher - slower - the opposite). You probably noticed that you cant enter a drift at all (depends on your car though) bc the front end is reacting so fast that the rear doesnt have enough time to kick in and the only way to do it is by applying throttle. If you higher the front damping and lower the rear by a little it will fix the issue. The front will understeer a little but then it will turn and the rear will kick in at the same time and when that happens you will countersteer earlier and there you have it. Although im not sure how to change the damping in assetto since i dont have it as an option.
Also you might misunderstand me when you read my thingy. If your rear end isnt kicked in by the time you apply the throttle you wont do a four wheel drift but just a regular one. When your car is already rotated and the weight is centered then the car is ready to go.
Never realized I’ve been doing trail braking w/ 4w drift in the snow. I found it’s easier to deal with understeer
You didn't mention Tazio Nuvolari, the 5 foot tall Italian who won the Nazi Germany Gp in 1930-something in the rain while 4 wheel drifting an Alfa Romeo in the rain that had about half the horsepower the germans had.
Lol really
I did an AWD drift just recently accidentally when I was about to miss a corner at low speed, that was fun lol luckily the police didn't see me do that 😅
The biggest problem is that you first have to get a car powerful enough to keep the tires spinning. Theres nothing more painful than driving a stock lanevo that just doesnt have what it needs to perform a 4 wheel drift, because it just starts to grip mid turn due to low power...
you are right about braking drift that has been done by even with all drivetrains And btw A piece of information this is also to be called now Slip angle btw, that is a technique was been on any drivetrain, actually it was used in 4WD drift or AWD drift always at all times. In History though you have mentioned.
Games that i have played over the years (from kid to present day), i did some version of 4w drift because i was lazy. Less steering = less room for error
And holding full throttle because braking is for losers.
Recenlty discovered your chanell. Thank you universe, cause you are the person I needed in my life to perfect my driving passion.
Can you maybe do a video about if the irohazaka jump could actually br effective, not for faster lap times buy for overtaking
Pretty sure your suspension just dies after one of those haha
Logically: Back in the day with low grio tyres, and even in mdoern rally on low grip surface, since they had 'LOW' grip, they needed to somehow overcome likit f their cars capabilities, they used drifting for it. Wich means that you can theoretically overcome limitd of any kind of tyres on any kind of surface ( nasically limits of any kind of grip ) by entering a slide, doesnt katter rear or four wheel slide.
but on practice this shit is damn complicated
did not realise I was already using this technique when driving
TIME TO PRACTISE
That's how its done, 4 wheel drift baby! Rally style!
great video, time to go practice this now
Tsrb: "i will tell you how to do it"
My brain: "gas gas gas"
As with all facets of racing: it depends. Certain situations I can get better speed flinging the car into a 4 wheel drift. But spinning means you aren’t accelerating so smooth is still my natural tendency
Hey! Thanks for the vid! I have 2 questions, can I do this in real life and does it also work for AWD vehicles? I plan to start drifting my Subaru Outback lmfao.
Its wild doing it IRL after learning a bit
How much faster is it compared to grip though? Will you do a side by side comparison vid? If the time gap is minimal I think grip will be better due to consistency
For tight corners 4 wheel drift is superior, however tires are worn quicker
Not really, grip is better for track, or closed circuit, but usually for rally you would add more slip angle because your trying to enter the corner at higher speed and counter act the side pushing force, but you shoot overboard and turn side ways. So it is better to use it in rally conditions, especially on dirt.
Tldr: depends, grip use on spa, more slip angle at Monte carlo, cuase the drivers are not always trying to drift, but they just go overboard.
Could you do a video about how you should shift gears while using these techniques?
The weight transfer drift is called a “scandinavian flick” and is commonly used in rallying.
It has many names, weight transfer is one of them, inertia drift is one of them even
so this was where the "myth" of "drifting makes you go in corners faster" at least for non-4wd cars. Didn't playing arcade racing games solidified that misconception in me.
5:21 surely at this stage of turn-in, the throttle takes over modulating the yaw rate right?
In other words, rather than stomping onto the gas and letting jesus take it from here, don't you still need to ease onto the gas (or not) so as to continue controlling the rotation of the car into the midcorner?