Do INITIAL D Techniques DESTROY Cars?
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- Опубліковано 21 тра 2024
- For years I've been covering sim racing techniques inspired by Initial D. Usually in Racing Games such as Assetto Corsa which have lacklustre damage models. But there's always been one question at the back of my mind; Whether I was jumping over hairpins, hanging a wheel over an open gutter, or even using engine compression to initiate drifts - "Do these techniques destroy cars? ". Today we're going to be finding the answer to this question in the most realistic vehicle damage simulation we can get our hands on, BeamNG.Drive.
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Jokes on you, I destroy my car with any technique...
Same, my techniques usually end up in ditches and guard rails
“Ultimate technique downshift into first”
Amateur, I can destroy my car driving on a straight line
😢@@logurtboi5702
You think you’re good? I can destroy my car before I even leave the starting line
"if the 86 can do then i can do it"
-16 year old miata driver
*GO BEAT CRAZY~*
Also a Yellow GR Supra driver from MF Ghost 😂
@@katagiriharuki
spoiler???
Lol the miata in the series tried and he crashed
@@bolson42 mf ghost is too much of a disappointment for anyone to remotely care about spoiling it
Nah, mate, the inner wheel lift works beautifully. You need to enter the corner at a higher speed and a lower angle and be very smooth, your steering inputs were very erratic. The weight must be off the front wheel before going over the gutter. If done correctly you can't break your suspension as the wheel doesn't fall down in the gutter. The manoeuvre was a bit exaggerated in Initial D as your wheel is in the air just for a split second - right on the tip of the apex. You aren't supposed to go over the gutter right on the entry - that would never work.
That's what I'm saying. 😌👍
Was gonna say, I play BeamNG ALOT, especially on this Map because it's best one imo... Getting close enough to the gutter is one problem, but when I do, I succeed the lift more than I fail it, it numerous different cars, again, favourites being the AE86, R31 & FB RX7
He probably plays on a keyboard, notice that the tires almost immediately lock when turning
he literally did that in the video 🤓
Please, don't try this IRL man....
Inner wheel lift depends on a LOT of factors, I feel like it wasn’t given enough chances.
^this lol I get the 200bx to do it just fine sometimes.
@@TyNicholsen right?? And I can do it in a Civic on Forza Motorsport 6 on the Nordschlief, but I guess we are limited to JUST touge now
@@lusciouslunk it's not even "JUST touge" it's "one corner on one touge" where it's not even the ideal line.
@@Ikaros--- for real, kinda lazy, I demand a new video!
Well, the fact that this was all done on a controller with someone not very good on controller at the wheel didnt make it better
my dude just decided to do everything possible for the inner wheel lift to fail and then blame it for not working smh oh and not knowing its purpose
It's weird too because he did an entire video on the inner wheel lift where he frequently executed it on multiple corners, but also showed that it's difficult and can fail if you don't transfer the weight at the right time and have enough speed going over the gutters
@@offbrandbiscuit yee i regularly do it myself too but tbh it isnt that hard but its a fun skill and looks good ill prob make a video when i can proving him wrong doing it in beamng
not to mention trying it in a tricky short series of esses
you don't do it in such a short corner with another left corner coming immediately
Yep. He thinks every corner with a gutter opening will work. No, it has to be the right slope, the right banking and the right setup on the car(which has a higher ride height and looser damping) for inner wheel lift to work. THe corner has to be a continuing radius or a increasing radius exit to work. Inner wheel lift is done on throttle after the load has shifted to the rear corner and it requires a long long corner. Otherwise the gap and corner is over too soon for such a technique to matter. They animated it in the series to perfection. Its not hard to understand the lessons of Initial D. The problem seems to be everyones ability to remember them and the images on screen, correctly
Shift lock is a real thing used by real drivers outside of rally. I've used it at a few drift events when my hydraulic handbrake was like "nah, mate, your pads are too hot". It does make you super nervous the first time you do it, but you just "promise" yourself that you'll only use it in dire situations . . . which is a lie. You're gonna do it a bunch more.
It's usually fine until it isn't, my old boss has a group 4 Triumph Dolomite touring car, hes been racing it for 25 years, with several rebuilds but original block, on a race day last year he killed the engine by shift locking too aggressively, his telemetry registered 20k rpm (very briefly) but he's been doing that for 25+ years and it's the first time the motor has destroyed itself
And by killed the engine I mean a forged Mahle Conrod snapped, and then proceeded to shear the entire cast iron block in two, it was quite spectacular
@@haydenratcliffe1138 I love that phrase and use it all the time (well a turn of that phrase anyway) I typically say something along the lines of "It's fine all the way to the point where it isn't" HAHA!
Everybody knows that all of these techniques PALE in comparison to the mythical, majestic and legendary SLIPANGLE
You have to be a scientist to even know the definition of slip angle
@@roccofigueroa7839 tire says me no want drift while u want drift.
I have a PhD
A PRETTY HUGE D
@@roccofigueroa7839 What he said. ☝️😂
@@Tha-mountainYes exactly what you said😆
inner wheel lift can actually be a biproduct of slipangle depending on the car. shift lock can also be used to initiate slipangle.
Bruh. Thats not how inner wheel lift works. It’s shifting the weight of the car to the back tires and giving them more grip. It’s a super high skilled expression of putting the car on center of balance and achieving maximum cornering speed. You got inner wheel lift and standard gutter run confused. A gutter run is the one were you let the tires hook into a more traditional gutter where instead of being an open void it’s an opposing camber ditch that isn’t much deeper than the road. It’s just a area of depression
So like the one I did in the video?
@@TSRB standard gutter run. Is what you did in the video. Inner wheel lift is hovering your inner tire over without hooking it in I’ll link a video that better explains it.
Oh wait. I’ve been stupid so sorry. Just realized this was a troll vid. Please forgive my idiocy
Oh hi Ace!
@@kyototomokui6676 hello. I know you off YT. Whats your name on social media? I can’t tell who this is exactly atm
the hidden headlight trick certainly does work if you do it right lol
Especially if your tazio nuvolari
seen video of guy running from the police by turning headlights off :D
In the show turning off the 86's head lights put them away so the car was more aerodynamic , but with the bonus of surprising your opponent
@@noneya69would drag really even affect a car that much going maximum 160 kph?
@@justchrisyt9279 yeap
I do blind attacks on touge with my friends. A bit dangerous but it works well.
Inner wheel lift is possible, I saw a pro driver doing it during a rally in France.
The Hirohazaka jump is just for the show in the cartoon.
It’s been done in rally but on that type of incline there’s definitely damage they even mention it in the show
You’re confusing inner wheel lift with a gutter run
@@XtrachunkyNo
@@XtrachunkyNo
When you were using the 240BX you weren’t even drifting when you tried to inner wheel lift
How about those techniques:
- 4 wheel drift
- Slip Angle
- Gutter Run
- screaming while driving a Nissan Skyline R34 GTR to concentrate on the race
-breaking and using gas paddle at the same time
or simply
- change the AE86 for an AE85
Hyah!
Ngl the blind attack works but only if you are EXTREMELY familiar with the track and you know exactly where you have a chance to overtake
The inner wheel lift technique is used because the AE86 can't take the turns as well because of the low grip. Not including the fact that you didn't use the correct gutter. The correct gutter allows you to "drive" while in it, allowing the AE86 to travel faster. On the wide turns with the gutters, he puts both tires into it to let him gain more speed while driving in the gutter. On the sharper turns, he only puts the one front tire into it to turn much faster.
Not only that, but the headlight technique is used on courses that Takumi knew.
He isnt talking about the putting the tires in the gutter but rather letting them "float", they arent touching the ground
Its not because of low grip, its because of its short wheelbase and its not slow in corners with an average speed below 60mph. IN fact, for any corner 15 to 35mph, the 86 out performs most other cars. As for the gutter tech. Both tires in, and you are looking to accelerate before the apex. One tire in, and you are looking to hook the apex with overspeed entry and have the gutter keep you from sliding wide. One is a hook, one is a rail.
skill issue
thats bold when you have videos of you driving worse than this on your channel
@@tacticalreload wait till I get my hands on a wheel, and stop stalking me lol
Inner wheel lift isn't about hooking the front wheel in the gutter at all. It's about using a previously inaccessible area of the road.
Ideally you'd do it on a neutral camber or off camber road with an open gutter. A heavily cambered corner like the one shown in the video will make it almost impossible to lift the wheel and get it back on the road without hooking the gutter.
i said that in the video
@@TSRB nah, you said "if done right, your wheel will hook into the gutter"
@@Ikaros--- Before that I said "cutting the corner" which is using a previously inaccessible area of the road
I love how he never used any of the cars that were put in the anime with real damage on. Just sus.
blind attack does work, but is extremely hard to do it without crashing lol.
Right he literally just proved that it’s possible not to mention you can fucking see the road kind of
@@_MichaelForte25 i didn't understand what you're trying to say
As someone who's done these things in Beam with a basic wheel setup and MT, the Gutter Run and Shift Lock techniques can work. Gutter Runs require speed and low angle - which is what helps Takumi run the corner so much faster - since at a long mid speed turn after a straight, you get quite some speed. So how do you turn without slowing down as much? Gutter running, you can do it in racing sims / simcades on tracks with sweeping turns.
As for Shiftlocking, i remember having driven on one massive mountain road map (right i forgot the name) in an Ibishu Pessima '96, tuned DOHC engine and everything. I did the method and it did show the car down but i did have to tap the brakes a little since my tuning skills at the time were sh*te (i was like 15) so it is possible - so long as you don't do it too much.
maybe use a wheel for these techniques
I feel like the autor didnt pay attention on the gutter trick. You either lift the wheel and straighten the corner or you hang the wheel in and turn better
I feel like you didn't pay attention to my explanation of it at the start
I mean if the gutters were like the ones in akina hanging the wheel would actually work but on these gutters is just asking to toast the underbody
You forgot 1 more. Gutter run at tsukuba fruits line. The tyres actually hook on. Only for low grip tyres ofc. Grip with slicks will always be faster
Edit: Also, the inner wheel lift does feel different in beamng than in ac. I noticed that you really need to commit at really high speed and don't lift. I remember doing like 80~90 kph on that first gutter from the top with 200bx. A mod car hirochi brat also works well on that
For the gutter run technique, the gutters on Mount Akina are not that deep, which makes the gutter run more viable.
Takumi actually encountered some problems with the gutter run technique on two occasions:
- on the battle vs the Miata NA, the track they chose had the gutters that deep, and thus Ryosuke proposed him to NOT use the gutters, but instead shift all the weight on the back in order to pass the gutter and access the grass on the inside. The Miata tried to gutter run and.. well...
- on the battle vs the S2000, the gutters weren't as deep but were divided by some bricks (as a sort of sidewalk), and Takumi was encouraged not to use those gutters or else his suspension would fail. Unfortunately, he had to use the gutter run technique as a last resort, and lo and behold, the suspensions broke
EDIT: corrected some typos
For the inner wheel lift you have to be sliding and on the throttle almost through the whole corner to distribute more weight to the rear
This is just a PSA video for those who think they're perfect drivers and have a car to try this with
Not all of these being skill issues
if u raced with tsrb youd know he would destroy everyone in these comments 😂
You used the wrong hairpin for the jump.
If I used the other one, people would say the same thing
Even in the right one, you will be slower and crash your car
I think the difference is the type of gutter for the inner wheel lift. that's a very aggressive gutter no?
they did it with those kinds of gutters in Initial D. He even used the same course as in one of the races where the Inner-Wheel-Lift is used
The problem is he isn't putting the weight over the rear before steering over the gap, so the wheel falls in, and catches, causing the tie rod to bend or break, rather than keeping the wheel in the air, which is desirable as if it's not touching the ground, it can't be sapping the chassis' overall grip, since it has none in the air. A more shallow gutter which is rounded would protect the suspension from being loaded directly by acting through the tire instead, but this kind demands you DO NOT allow the wheel to fall in, otherwise the steering will suffer.
The agressive gutter requires the lift to go over it. The smaller ones it can just drop
LET ME STOP YOU RIGHT THERE.
I'v driven more than one Japanese mountain road with these fracking open gutters, they are often covered with vegetation and somewhat randomly shielded or not by a concrete tile.
Luckily I was driving slowly, both time but I got one 1 front wheel and once 2 right side wheel dropped into the gutter.
offroad 4wd van Mitsu Delia D:5. The traction control sh1t itself on the spot, even after deactivation no amount of throttle or rocking will get you out of these in one piece (open diff not helping).
Each time I had to bust out the farm jack, lift the wheel itself and squeeze my aluminum fording/loading ramp under the wheel to create a makeshift bridge and get out. in Japanese summer, it was not fun at all...
ok...FWD and RWD do not affect the weight distribution by much, that's the position of the engine who do... try a Porsche or an Alpine Renault A110
@@G_de_Colignyrad and fwd would change it cus as in the video he drifted the turns with is impossible to do and still have Wheels that power the car tuch the ground.
@@coconut_dr9194 yea but he was talking about weight distribution at that moment, not power delivery since the biggest issue was to keep the chassis 1 on piece at the time
I've done the wheel lift all the time when chasing my friends on tight kart tracks while tandem drifting. You have to have softer suspension squatting at around full throttle to cause your car to pickup the front end just enough so it doesn't dip into the corner. Once you get the hang of it, it's quite easy to replicate. I've even done the one where you drop two tires in a gutter but that one heavily depends on your cars ride height, gutter shape, and if you care about your alignment.
Blind attack is a risk that may or may not work, since your opponent doesn’t know where you are, causing a potential accident.
A few years ago you were a fan of the inner wheel lift.
what happened? you know it is effective!
In a racing simulator where your wheels can't fall off!
@@TSRB inner wheel lift works great if you've got a car you know and a map you've played a lot. I think the biggest problem you had was that you didn't put enough weight on the front which made it harder for you to actually get a nice entry
Please try this in real life. If you come back without a scratched up underbody from bottoming out i'll pay you $1000 (definitely not 😂minopoly money😂)@brokebackmountainlover
@@TSRB people do it somtimes in real life too but you shouldn't hook your tires in you should create a heavy weight transfer by putting your foot on the gas and you shouldn't do it on the entry thats not what takumi did just read @Yavore346 's comment
@@brokebackmountainlover i'd say the opposite, too much weight in the front; and too much angle.
You're telling me a cartoon were an 80's corolla is able to keep with a GT-R and an RX-7 isn't realistic? Who would've thought.
You gonna say denied because you're using some 200HP car
I tried to do gutter run irl, but all I can do is almost a T O R U F L I P
If you say that this video is right, you are wrong.
If you say that this video is wrong, you are wrong.
I just love TSRB
Sunburst went Beat Crazy on that open gutter
1:43 bro called initial d a cartoon 💀💀💀
it is
anime is a type of cartoon
sorry but it is, and that's not a bad thing
@@SergeantSniperI literally made a meme about that
5:34 I think the issue with everyone failing the irohazaka jump is that you aren't treating it as a corner. You're doing a full stop and then accelerating. I think that if you were to use the same cornering technique as you usually do, but in the inner inner line it could work.
In the anime Takumi doesn't use the floating wheel technique to go faster but to gain more space to pass his oponent.
Watching you "Drift" with that open diff made me wanna call my internet provider and ask him to disconnect my wifi
Blind attack is doable you can drive without your headlights if the car in front of you has theirs on
Wheel lift has nothing to do with using the gutter to rotate the car more it’s just about getting a tighter line
You can see sports cars lift the inner front wheel with a stiff suspension
There’s even videos of a guy doing a three wheel drift because he looses a tire
I dont know what the show is suppose to be but 1. someone certainly can shift their weight off the front left or front right wheel so it would stay in the air (for a very short time), 2. I cant really say anything about the jump 🤷♂️
3. The "turning your headlights off" thing would probably work, just cutting in the other persons line before entering a turn is probably not wise.
I can certainly believe that those things that he tried to do work and would probably work easier with different cars but I sure as hell wont try any of those
your content has exploded recently, being so much more fun to watch. so proud of your efforts! thanks
The overhang gutter drift is a viable technique use in Touge its allows the user to go faster as it basically a faster line as its more closer to the straight.
The over shoot otherwise crazy mr2 jump is a simple wrc technique used by Teri Mack when he drove his Subaru against a opeal.
I know all this cause my dad raced alot and i learned alot of this stuff on my own cause my dad said "if you can learn it on your own you can learn anything" and i did exactly that
Blind attack can work really nice if you do it right.
My opinion about this video is, in initial d, they dont use stock cars, but btw, this video was so coll the edit, the.... I idk, good video
The only one I've seen used IRL is gutter dropping - but in shallower gutters.
Even then its usually a bad idea since that's where rocks and branches like to gather and also coming out of the gutter can unbalance the car
Hey @ That Sim Racing Bloke,you had a valid point with the gutter drift but the one you were refering to was seen in initial D 4rh stage but takumi never gooked his wheel in the gutter.He had his wheel floating over it for the fastest line and he did this by having the weight of the car focus to the rear suspension to allow the front wheel to stay afloat over the deep gutter.
Blind attacks can work if your hyper aware of your surroundings and know that the driver will be doing otherwise its a literal RNG match if you actually gonna make the pass or end up in the trees, rocks, down the mountain face
You also have to keep in mind that Takuni's dad had that thing custom tuned and modified...
they explain in the show the way to inner wheel lift requires high rpm to keep the load at the rear and outside tire
The third technique did actually work. The legendary Grand Prix driver Tazio Nuvolari used that thechnique in the Mile Miglia to win the race.
2 vids in 2 weeks
insane concept 🤯
yes paulino, absolute miracle!!
The first technique wasn't done like that in the show. The mountains gutters had covers and were sloped. They actually address that issue later on when he floats the tire all the way to the grass to achieve a similar effect. He drops both tires into the slope on his home mountain and rides it like a rail
Yo, did you forget what corner was the irohazaka jump?
In initial d fifth stage, you can see when takumi doing inner wheel lift, there's only one tire dropping, and ae86 did counter steering too, which means when ae86 doing inner wheel lift, it was drifting too.
I only want to say that the "hole" in the side of the road in intial D was smaller so it's can be done but in no every place (Srr for my english)
3:06 bro just accidently did the cleanest inner wheel lift 360
The inner wheel lift has been done irl a few times... there's videos too
The problem you are havi g with teh inner wheel lift is you are using it to turn thr corner like a gutter run, and theres a wall in your way, the inner wheel lift was used to take the inside of the turn past the boundaries of the road and go onto the grass on the other side of the open gutter giving him just enough room to pass the miata
Bro recriated the miata flip but with the sunburst lol
can you do a video that 'what's the difference between 4 wheel drift and traditional (normal) drift?'
the blind attack works my friend did it on me💀
I actually have successfully managed to perform the gutter run. I did run over my own fender lining in the process, but otherwise it did allow me to outcorner much more well engineered cars.
The gutter run is the complete opposite from inner wheel lift. The wheel lift requires you to take off weight from the front
@@dantevito1193 Also did manage a wheel lift to "jump" over an open mancover I failed to notice in time. Not perfectly, but the guy behind me hit it so hard his airbags deployed.
for second tech, perhaps turning the wheels into the direction of the drop (left in this case) would likely stop rollovers and since its awd, you might grip and go
therefore this test is incomplete
I have used the blind attack on ac where damage doesent matter, and it worked great
"do initial d techniques destroy your car" considering the fact that Takumi did that twice id assume so
Front bumer doesn't matter, especially if you've already driven over it a few times and it somehow still survives and you keep putting it back on with selkf tappers
The gutter drop works irl very well😉
Correct engine braking is a seriously deep racecraft technique currently being used from carting tup through the formula series. Helps to scrub speed faster but have to pay attention to the current and future rpms in relation to engine safety limits
the issue with the inner wheel lift is it's all about the weight transfer, precise throttle control and sufficient power to weight to maintain as much of the weight opposite the floated wheel. if the tire sinks at all, then technique will almost always fail. Thats where Takumi's supernatural racing instinct makes up the difference in the real world plausibility of the technique. but for evidence of this IRL, watch 410 sprint cars, they will often float the left front tire in the corners.
Great vid man as always! I actually drive beam the other day for the first time in a long time. Wow, it’s come a long way.
My memory may be vague but, the gutter run was shallow and Takumi had to go over a deep gutter. With your test you have 2 inches past the gutter is a concrete wall. It would have open past the gutter.
The jump cut, what I am going to call it. It would a take a car with a higher power to weight ratio with high acceleration ability to accomplish that. Test would probably require a rally car and would need to be further back in the corner.
The blind attack. You can't be doing it going into a corner. It would only be used for a tow or beat someone in a heavy breaking zone.
bro you forgot to use the right corner on iro xd
Shift lock is one of my main techiniques to initiate a drift in Assetto since i don't have a damn e-brake and i use it often on a touge
Learn to flick please. Doesn't need much. Just a little side to side action and you can power out easily.
@@ThaJay i do both
@@sm0key529 Then you're probably good :) Before I had a hand brake on my set up I had it mapped to a button on the wheel base. Was a bit slower but worked fine.
The inner wheel lift is actually possible and faster (I just did it on the third try with 240sx or ibishu BX-series) also the version of irohzaka is from a arcade game and not like real life... looking at the jump at google maps with the right car and a tune to do the jump+ rally suspension i would guess its possible + faster if done right... is it a possible technique yes! ... is it all that good maybe not... the only thing you gain could be a possible overtake which is hard on irohzaka...
edit: You can actually do it on other harpins (even with the boldie stock tune)
I've done inner wheel lift in beamng with a drift pretty consistanly but i don't think it is faster unless maybe you can cut the corner but not many corners like that
Also shiftlocking with a heavy flywheel rwd works great. Did it many times in a -96 C180
I've done the first technique multiple times irl with my bmw e30 and e36. I only messed up the inner lip of a wheel once
Is there a link to the no damage mod and maps used?
Well, after rewatching Initial D, the gutter on where you try to use the gutter run is a bit too dip, unlike in the anime or other part of Japan
Next video show us techniques from initial D that works irl
The blind attack kinda works, i used this on an illegal street race one time against an evo 9, not on this particular tyoe road though.
It works if the drain is not deep.
And I highly recommend it, do not using irohazaka jump on touge, unless you want to destroy your cars platform and entire front head.
In the anime he does the gutter thing with a gutter that is a slope but you try doing it with a full hole so it's technically not the same xDD
i agree on the bumper scraping on my audi. thats like a 2k USD bumper to replace, AND I DONT EVEN OWN AN S, I would not want to go down back roads doing shit like this
Didnt Keiichi Tsushiya guide initial d ?
And in the last one accually u can do it without over rev, if its just high revs and u dont put they will spin thats why u put Gas when u reduce gear
4:00 bro.... Loozzk at 10 irohazaka jumps on beamng
I could be misremembering it, but wasn't the main purpose of the blind attack used to reduce air drag by retracting the popup headlights in order to give the car a slight boost in speed?
in night or in the evening of 24h race events you are not allowed to turn off your headlights
I just started to watch Initial D and it’s the best Anime I ever watched
Absolutely wonderful editing !
There's a reason why takumi ends up as a rally driver.
This video might be a good representation of the irl gutter trick if the gutter you picked wasnt 47 feet below the ground. The gutters in initial D are significantly more shallow, so much so that the 86 literally drives on them rather then sinking in them. The inside of the wheel hooks onto the inside of the gutter and with enough weight shift you get back on the road. Here you're just dropping into the pits of hell
Hey man, What's the house music you use at 0:16 and 6:28 ?
That gutter is deep af
>initial d techniques
>shift lock
nowhere in the show was shift lock ever mentioned or used lol