The ALL NEW Hutchinson Origin | Subwoofer Review
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380$ really for neo magnet motors not bad I’m really loving them using a high temp plastic in their coils removes eddy current situation. About time a company did something new 👍👍👍👍☝️
JL uses a plastic former, and paper formers have been used for decades.
Its nice to see more neo options. The sundown sd4 and ia flatlyne also compete in this territory yet the sd4 is made for sealed boxes and the flatlyne is more of a sound quality sub.
Iirc fi had at one point a neo version of the q line which I think would likely be the best comparison to this sub without digging back to the early 200s with the tc sounds radial neo subs.
Most other neo subs are purely spl designs which aren't really options for the regular user
It’s called a Kapton former. It’s been around for decades
I really like that your content is very informative, and not the basic bs. Thanks for keeping it real!
Thank you for reviewing Hutchinsoncaraudios Origin woofer, good job! I saw his post explaining the coil I was very curious!
Glad you did a review been curious on Hutchinson... there motors can look SICK!
I got to hear Hutchinson's demo truck at Slamology in 2019....it was brutal. I'm glad they came out with a line of subs that are a little more budget friendly. They V1 And V2 subs are straight up subwoofer porn.
I never knew much about Neo’s other than they’re expensive. Thanks for the tech talk! 🤟 I like back and forth. Like do reviews for a while then throw down a build. Great vid!
Only real issue with neo is as the motors get hot they start to lose motor force. So in a spl setting after a few hard runs you will start loosing output. ppl have used fans to try to help offset this but that's why in a lot of the larger demo/competition builds you will see ferrite instead.
I like when you do reviews and builds, so keep doing both.
I like watching the builds I like the reviews also I like when your videos are usually 20 minutes or longer the most
You beat the $#!+ out of that sub. That is impressive. I would love to see some sound quality builds/reviews. Keep up the good work.
Builds...Reviews...don't matter. You're videos are always worth watching. Keep bassin' on...
Dude I wait every week for a new video. Awesome content. "keep bassin on"
Thanks for the content brotha. Love all the different types of vids
Great video parker! keep it up brother
Thanks for the info on the neo vs ferrite magnet definitely a sub worth looking into,so I wouldn't have to upgrade my electrical system for good performance with minimal space.
The DB rating is 1 watt at 1 meter 😎 and yes 91 is awesome for a big sub.
CORRECT!
Correct....not one inch @4:10
Sql12 and the frog score 91 not sure about others the origin has bl of 24! That's a good strong motor
That prefab isnt cutting it anymore Parker. Gotta step it up in that department .lol glad to see more 15s tho.
Glad to see it have a tall surround besides a mega surround that takes cone area away.
Great video Parker! I would love to see an Adire Audio xbl^2 technology subwoofer video!
More reviews.....love this. Keep up the awesome work.
This would be a good option for guys who want to sound loud but keep the weight in their car down. A good set of neodymium motor car speakers to match these subs would be the polk mobile monitors. They also have neodymium motors.
Whats up Parker! Great review! Have a great day!
I dig the reviews. Keep em coming.
Parker... the meter has a 1 second refresh rate. So when doing a sweep to see peak hz... just pick a volume that registers a db reading and then change the tone 1 hz at a time. Ots way more accurate to get peak. Keep up the good work brother
Huge and both those look epic
Heck yeah Parker great vidja as always
Really like Hutchinson build quality. Might make that the brand for my Chevy.
Welcome to the future of subwoofers! I want 2😁
I have been waiting on a review of this one. It is a beautiful sub. That sub deserves a plexiglass box or be inverted.
Personally I think the motor on this one is the least impressive neo option from a visual stand point. The fins might help cooling slightly but I think they really added them to make the motor appear larger. This would fool the ignorant that have only known large motored ferrite designs and convince more people to try the smaller motor without that person thinking they are gonna lose much motor force. The tc sounds beehive designs we're absolutely tiny compared to the ferrite competitors. And we don't have any versions of that design still in production today
Neo also has a side effect of needing more steel to create the motor structure steel is heavier than ferrite and in some cases ferrite can actually be stronger by motor weight.
@@kylevanwinkle2081I get what your saying but I like the looks of it and think it would make a classy looking install. At the price you have to give and take. Sure other neo subs look way more impressive but generally that means a way more impressive price
I like to see both reviews and builds
Yeah buddy gonna watch this on the way to buy some mdf right now for an 18 I'm getting today!!!
Heck yeah man! 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
I think your doing an awesome job at what you are doing. keep up the good work. thank you
Hey Parker have you been hacked or is this real
Your videos is full of entertainments😃
I think it would be a good choice for a home theater sub.
FS is quite high for home theater use, unfortunately.
Love watching the builds and not have to be high dollar stuff!!!!!
Speaker efficiency is measure in 2 ways. The first is measured by running 1 watt RMS through a speaker and measuring 1 meter away. Sensitivity is generally given as a dB SPL / 1 W @ 1-meter rating.
Other manufacturers give sensitivity ratings relative to the voltage of an amplified signal rather than the amplifier's power.
This is often represented as dB SPL / Voltage @ 1-meter
Parker said they were measured at 1 inch. He meant to say 1 meter.
Efficiency is usually given in dB/1W/1M. Sensitivity is usually given in dB/2.83V/1M. "Reference" efficiency and sensitivity can both can be calculated from the driver's t/s parameters, so no need to do measurement @1M.
@@Grommet2007 very good you repeated what I just said. 👏
@@Jamez84 I guess you missed the part where I said 1M measurement wasn't required then, LOL. You know, the stuff you said in your first and third paragraphs :-).
@@Grommet2007 😂😂😂😂👏👌
Sound great can we see a build on that subwoofer love it
The maker of Hutchingson subs is a mad scientist 🤖
That sensitivity is nice. It seems to be overlooked in favor of watts but is something to consider when choosing a sub.
Cerwin Vega XL's had 103dB at 1W, 30 years ago, but 200W RMS, JBL GTI around 97dB with 1000W. Today the stuff is designed to take more power, because 4000W seem more impressive^^
@@dampfbucke well that lower sensativity allows for lower bass without distortion
@@anchorbubba not hardly, try again.
Would like to see more videos with alternator installs as well as voltage tests. There's so many options out there for alts, you could get a ton of videos out of them. Brand X, singer, mechman, excessive amperage
cant forget autotech
@@SbassLaser indeed there are a bunch
NextGen Alternators, got a 350amp for my 04 civic and I'm not complaining, pretty solid build!
@@tommylee9339 yah I went with a 250 amp from brand X... Didn't want to overdue it when I don't need it
If we could get some more likes on this idea then maybe Parker would consider doing more alternator vids...
AWESOME VIDEO AS ALWAYS BROTHER BASSHEAD 👍
Thank you so much!!
Waiting.. this thing should be super clean and responsive.. but I’m thinking it’s prob better suited to a small sealer box although I’ve not looked at the specs. Just based off what you’ve detailed in this this sounds 100% like a top of the line sq sub meant for small sealed box where it can really use the neomag to its advantage
Konečně normální ozvučnice, která se nerozpadla, hurá 👍😃
This would have been a perfect opertunity to test if inverting your subs are louder or not. Theres so many benefits of neo magnets. Glad to see a 15. Cant wait unil you test some 18s!
The subwoofer's cone creates the air movement, not the motor (magnet). The only reason inverting would make any change is due to the air space inside the enclosure being affected, not because of which way the cone is facing. if the increased air space from inverting creates noticeably more volume, you've prob got a severely undersized enclosure. Plus, the increased efficiency of the enclosure (due to more airspace) would probably come at the cost of decreased power handling of the sub seeing as how the air inside the enclosure acts as resistance to the cone thus helping it to stay under control. too much airspace means less air resistance to the cone thus increasing the chance of tearing the surround de to over-excursion, although this is splitting hairs for the majority of people who throw some junk subs in a prefab enclosure and call it a day. EMF audio has a video or two on YT talking about why an oversized enclosure can lead to tears in the surround.
@@godsservant4844 What about the voice coils themselves? Do they create sound? Will they be any cooler inverted? That would be nice to see for science. I like inverting my subs so I can direct wire to them. Dont need a terminal cup or holes in the box.
@@randomtube8226 The voicecoils shouldn't need additional cooling if they are on a well built sub and in enclosure that allows adequate airflow and the coils aren't being overpowered or sent a distorted signal from an overworked amplifier. those variables are really splitting hairs though in a properly set up system. Again i would say if inverting your subs provides some type of drastic difference in output, the system probably wasn't setup right or in the proper enclosure to begin with. I def agree with you on the cosmetic appeal of inverting them though. I ran two 15" PSI Platform 3 subs inverted in my SUV for awhile and loved them and how they looked.
I have an 18” Hutchinson origin rated at 750 watts rms. But it’s on a 4500 watt amp and takes all the gain with no clipping. It’s been running that way for about 3 months
I just received 2 of them. They are going to be placed in a 4th order. I purchased them after listening to them in Kerf Customs aka Keith Sanders setup in which he has 6 in a 6th order!!! They are very musical and will hit the lows!!
Keith has such a badass Jeep, and his builds are quite impressive!! My favorite demos are always in his ride..
Did you ever build your box , how do they sound
I have the Trinity M12 Dual 1 and it's also @91db. It's an amazing subwoofer, yet I don't see anything on UA-cam about them.
Yoooooo. Love the video parker!!!!!!!
Thank you man!!
@@ParkerTheBasshead do you think a audiopipe txx bdc 12 or a american bass elite 12 would be louder in a 92 bronco?
Thanks man I really appreciate everything you do!
This sub I'm up for next instal to try for sure ❤️💎 sound good to me
Love the SMD meter hell yeah
Hey I enjoy the content. I would love to see you start doing door speakers reviews. We all want to be loud but i dont want to pay $90 for ONE 6.5 $180 for a pair but want good loud and clear on a budget. Much appreciation
D4S 6.5 are really great loudspeaker. I run 4 of them and they tickle your ears real good. Loud, clear, I been running them for almost 2 years now
Dead Bonce makes some excellent door speakers.
@@Steve_Reject yes they do, and good amps to push them
Yo bro Loving the videos 👍👍👍👍
Need a custom box for 15 inch now and it would do way better than that Skar box.
I love these informative videos. Outstanding job Parker. Love the videos. Please keep them coming.
Wasn’t a fan of this sub but won’t go in on it , either love the content and the channel keep killing it dude
Keep doing Both builds and reviews
Hey man just started following love the channel.
Could you do a test? DB output on music and test tone for 1 12 vs 2 12’s vs 1 15. 500, 750, 1k. 1.5k rms? Would be really awesome to see.
I have been out of audio for years but have been working with neodymium motors for a while and was wondering how audio developers have been incorporating these with the only downside being cost and thermal stability, about 30 years ago I had a pair of 6” mids that were a metal magnet not sure if it was neodymium but it was 1/4 the weight of any equivalent that I had at the time
Subs made in small batches is where it’s at but ya you have to forgive lil mistakes. Not much into neo. I have a one off neo 12 good for 2k rms it’s on a NS frame it’s a mega roll surround.
Hutchinson Subs are beasts! Only problem is when I try to buy one they are always out stock. That should tell you something how good their products are Top notch.
Down 4 Sound has them too.. always in stock
I have 2 new in the box Hutchinson orgin 10s for sale
lol my taco with 4 15’s liked 73hrz cause the cabin as small as it was lost half its space to the 4 15’s I threw in there lol.. it’s would slam from 25-80 but for peak spl it wanted higher.. you’re used to having an suv or car where you get a lot of loading and extra db gains.. small cab trucks are an entirely different world..
not bad i kind of like it. would be good in my monte carlo
Yeah I really want to know how hot it got after that last SPL test
Gotta heatsink all neo because neo doesn't care for the heat. If I'm correct it's some 350f or 380f where in ferrite it takes another 100f or so before becoming demagnetized.
Also I imagine that the lower rms rating are much more sensible to run neo since heat soak or saturation in less likely at a lower power handling subwoofer. Neo is great but it's kinda touchy when it comes to heat.
Good job repeating things from the interwebs
Not many ppl review these subs! They're expensive! Well, the worth while ones. I hear neo motors arent exactly good for demos or everyday listening cuz it doesnt have the motor to dissipate heat like ferrite motors do. Thats why i chose Xv3's instead of NSv4's. But I've been wanting to see em.👍
I like the reviews, i like when you let us know what the sub would be good for. Does it hit the lows, is it just good for getting loud? This was a good vid because i am looking for a sub setup in my commuter and don’t want to upgrade everything
U might check out SA12s or 15s. they are great all around subs they get real loud and dig pretty low for a budget sub. and of course it has a great brand to back it up
Another sub I would suggest would be the Rockville punisher 12 or 15 because it has y35 grade magnets and is pretty efficient. Was slamming 23hz daily with it
@@michaelmosher7902 never gonna happen. Exo already did Rockville tests and they’re Chinese shit. Nobody respects anyone who uses Rockville and efficiency is DEF not their thing, there’s a reason their shit is half the price of a Walmart kicker.
@@nickbutler123 so funny. All the subs guess where the ferrite and most of the parts come from? Either prc which is people's republic of China or made in China. I can send you pics of the 50 dollar Rockville coils with high temp glue on it brand new
@@nickbutler123 my Rockville punisher 12 is the only sub I've seen with enough motor force to drag it through my living room with a pair of pliers stuck to the magnet. Definitely y35 grade ferrite so I plan on putting the new recone in it and then putting it in a smaller box with super light carbon fiber dustcap and probably tune at 28hz. Smaller box still meaning 2.3 cubes or so. Probably through around 1400 or so to it and can't wait to see what I can meter in my civic coupe
Great 4th order subs
Being that i love car audio AND power to weight ratio, i want neo everything.
To correct the definition of speaker sensitivity:
1 Watt of power measured at 1 METER away from the center of the cone. (If it's a 4 ohm speaker)
8 ohm speakers are measured : 2.83 volts at 1 METER.
no, 1 watt is 1 watt. 2.83v@8ohm, 2v@4ohms
It is going to break your back window. ☺ That company makes really nice woofers. Like you said a little pricey but nice.
I just seen their subs and the price is not bad at all compared to other subs. Shit, that's even better than Skar Audio subs.
Awesome video
Thank you!!
that double stitch is the Same on q power subs 15"s
Neat look
I'm seeing mixed reviews on the Hutchinson orgin sub.... what's your opinion on them Parker 🤔 👀
I remember when shocker neo came to finals.
Nothing like them....
The neo motors, when built correctly, make huge BL numbers.
They just hate heat.
That's why DD made an open coil design, to control heat.
Another way to quick check this on speakers is the BL factor
Nice bro!
Do you think these would be a pretty big upgrade from alpine type r 12s. I would be going back with 12s also.
Brother. I want to see the 15 inch Ampere AA 3.0 V4. 😁
im just waiting on black friday sales to buy 3 15s to repalace my 4 ddx 12s
Try getting two jl audio w3 v3 there expensive for just 500 watt max subs .
Yeah the only thing I would change is the Voice coil being Copper wound not Aluminum
Seems to be a great sub all around. The price is a little high for only being 750rms, but it's a monster and takes it. Great video Parker! That was awesome to see 140
i was thinking the same thing i was expecting 1500 or 2500 rms
@@EazyTheRecon they say it take double rms all day long bl
@@beefysghost867 I need the manufacturer to say that lol
@@EazyTheRecon well just think sundown the same way. I'm running HCCA 3000.1dsplx on 2 u 10s at 1 ohm. So they will take double
@@EazyTheRecon most subs from any company with any credibility will push double the rms without it being a problem, hell, skars ix 8 subwoofer will run 500 watts rms for days ands its specified for 300 peak!!!, skar makes cheap stuff thats quality if they charge more than skar they sure as hell should be up too par
1500-2000 watts to a single sub = "decently low power". Wattages and subwoofer suspensions and motors have changed so much since I first got into it haha.
Old Bass Head getting back into it. I bought two CT sounds 1000.4 and a 1500.1 2 CT sound tens. I got 0 gauge going back distribution 4 gauge to the amps. The box is sealed. It definitely hits but I was just expecting a little more is it the sealed box?
I did my first ported box a few years ago and haven't looked back. Was all sealed up till then. It feels twice as loud in double the space. It still drops into the twenties ( I tune between 28-32hz), just nothing infrasonic. For most music, it's far superior. Port those suckers or get a down4sound profab, which is what I'm running.
NEOS tend to get hot you should see if somehow you can compare the temperature of the motor after testing to a ferrite after testing
@@DTW-bx2vy ehh, not really in that order. Neodymium doesn't cool as easily, as ferrite. Neodymium traps heat longer, and the motor force if Neodymium decreases rapidly, until cooled. That in turn, will cause heat to build up in the magnetic gap. Coils get hot in ferrite and neo, just the same. The coils just cool faster in ferrite. Neodymium is just not that great for demoing and constant playing. I remember JP having fans, inside his enclosure, on his neo hoe, just for that reason alone...to try and cool the neo. Eventually Neodymium motors will deplete, and be rendered paperweights, with constant playing, and with heat build up.
Definitely have to run cooling fans on the magnet to keep them cool becuz they trap heat an loose motor force. Just something to keep in mind. the sacrifice for me, it would cost to much say, to build the same .
Built with a ferinaite sub ,with around the 300 dollar range, with multiple subs. especially for long playing time. It not bad but pricey an would take, a different approach . How to build for the differences.
Hey in ur opinion what would u say sounds better this Hutchison or the skar zvx 15
BTW DB rating is 1 watt 1 meter not 1 inch, only caveat of a radial neo motor is neo looses it's strength at higher temps and with the neo right at the gap it is exposed to a ton of heat. How much of an issue it is with this motor I don't know, Hutchinson is a knowledgeable guy so....
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That sub is what I need right now'!
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Build a wall in your truck pls it would be an awesome series
S#%$! Why not both! I enjoy watching it all, thank you much!
I've wanted to see how one of these Hutchinson would perform.
All the hikers in his town be like
Why the hell is my compass always looking on this guys garage
Thanks for share. That is a 2ohm dual voice coil?
Yep!
$300 for a neo, it ain't bad, the box is small for it you can hear it wanting a little more space 4.25 cubes tuned about 28 to 30 hz it would prolly be a slapper for the power rating and have wonderful SQ as well with the design it has. It def built more for SQ then SPL.
soo much damn port noise outta that skar prefab lol.
Awesome.
imo it would be a good idea to make some sub reviews in a box what u using for reviews regularly - like this skar box -, and after that make a custom box for it + review the sub once again...just it would be much more time consuming + more expensive, obviously because u would need to design / build the box of some materials, so i dont know that it is a good idea for u or not...but anyways, reviews like these would be good also for beginners who just buy a random box and put a sub in it, and also for people who are familiar with custom box design / build - because it is possible that a sub is will be not so good in a random box, but very good in a custom box optimised for the sub's ts parameters, and another sub maybe will not perform so different in both boxes - basically the reviewed sub in which of these 2 cases is good or not...
What dB meter is this you got on Windscreen? Can we have link please mate 💎👍 thanks
The colors on the wires seem to indicate wirein it a certain way to achieve ohms loads?iono