KTM 890 Duke R review
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2020
- Ready to Race, and ready to kick all other naked middleweights in the plums, KTM's new 890 R has ability and attitude to spare.
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Wow...that was definitely one of the best reviews I have watched and I've watched a lot!
great review as usual and I thoroughly agree with your perfect parting message "KTM, just stop being so cheap [with] your electronics, I mean really, get a grip; it's beneath you"..... exactly!
Your absolutely right about the ‘expensive’ extras. I’ve had two 1290R’s and had to pay for dongles and ‘packs’ etc, outrageous. All they achieve is sending people out the door to competing brands that are pay and ride. And don’t get me started on the costs of servicing at the dealer $$$$$$$$. Just like Apple, fantastic products but so overpriced. I feel better now LOL
I have a SDR and the extras are certainly a disappointment. I want everything on a bike. Paying extra for someone to plug a computer in to allow me to have something I expect is...how did he put it...mean.
Oh don't start me on KTM servicing costs. Exactly 3 times more expensive than a service on my car.
As for the add on parts. I love my 1290 R but I will never buy another one. As for KTM UK..... My bike was due its first proper service during covid lock down, I asked KTM if they can extend the time on the yearly service. The reply was pretty much well too bad you bought the bike and it's up to you to service it and if you don't your warranty will be void. Back to Japan for me next time, or potentially Germany if the named S1000R gets made.
I have loved my 1290r. But I would not rush out and get another KTM, just for all the reasons of cost. Has been super reliable so far.
@HahrtDood My keyless system failed and had to have a complete immobiliser unit replaced. Good job it was just inside warranty or that would have been expensive.
I’d agree, but it’s main competition is the Street RS, which is still more expensive than a 890R with the Techpack(Everything)
Jeremy McWilliams who was instrumental in the 890Rs development is a neighbour of mine so I was really eager to get his take on it as I'd been really impressed by the 790, he was gushing with praise for the 890R and said realistically a better comparison was the 890R and 1290 Superduke as the 890 was over a second quicker than the 1290 around KTMs test track, he also said the one and only place the 1290 beats the 890 is in a straight line but if you have a race between 2 points on the map if offered which bike on which to do it he'd pick the 890R every time, high praise indeed!
Never rode 1290 SD but my experiences are much similar. I was slow on the 150 hp FZ1, bike was heavy and demanding. 790 feels like a toy in comparison, but a crazy quick toy. It's way more manageable therefore one is gonna be quicker on a track despite having 50 hp less.
Very happy with this review, very objective.
Glad there is a mention here on manufacturers almost obsessive quest for power.Fact is as you get older you realise it is much more rewarding to ride something with less bhp that you can actually tap into and use to the max rather than a 200bhp beast that is barely above tickover before you are breaking speed limits.
Such a fun review thanks
Nice review sir!
Great review!
It’s a great bike I just got the 2023 model and I love it !!!!
Great review.
Good review thanks
Mat.
Great review as always.
I agree with you about the Aprilia Tuono V2 Factory. I have one as seen in my profile picture. It's an appreciating asset. I will not be selling her for anything.
You've done 790 Adv vs 990. Now do 890R vs 990R. It would be great to see how the beast from 10 years ago is now a middle weight. However I'm more interested in how the raw 990 punch feels compared to modern bikes. 👍
MY SON JUST PICK ONE UP ! ! ! I CAN NOT WAIT TO SEE IT ON THE TRACK ! ! !
People who are saying mt10 is underpowered have no clue . How much power you need on a naked bike . I can bearley hold on to that bike on full throttle. All this power war is unnecessary on a bike with no fairings . Its only making those bikes more expensive
You make an excellent point. 👍👌
I currently have an S1000R and I absolutely agree. While it's a riot at lower speeds, anything above 200kph on a racetrack is terrible. Can hardly hold on in the wind!!
People only read specs and not even ride those bikes. BHP figure means nothing nowadays, but not all of us really get it.
Thank you.JHB-SA.
Atlast 890! I feel like they should make adventure 890 rally
Please review the Triumph Street Triple RS and R, S🔥🎉👍😀
Nice work, mate! Cool shots
KTM discounted the 790 Duke here in the states. Dropped to $8k after rebates. Kind of hard to pass that kind of bargain.
We have one or two on our dealership floor right now for $7800 CANADIAN! Honestly, that's like $6000USD. What a bike for that money. SV650 Destroyer for less.
I've seen 7000 GBP bikes here in UK - to me it's a steal and I'm not even looking towards the 890R. 100 bhp is plenty enough for a weekend blast and you get all the electronics and quick shifter for free. Stash another 1,5k for the new, customized to your weight suspension and you've got an absolute weapon of a bike. Sorry 890R, maybe in some other lifetime ;)
I tried to buy one and they sold out by the time the sales guy called me back. So now I'm buying a 21 890 R
Isn't it better to have one bike that you can choose the spec level on by "adding extras" rather than what say Triumph do and put out 3 bikes (street triple S, R and RS?). Same bike, different spec level and of course different price.
All the manufactures have add ons take the GS who actually buys one without the extras .
The KTM is still cheaper than the German / Italian bikes.
A problem for some might be they don’t hold there money as well as other bikes....but KTM will always be an experience to ride !
Matt the price difference between 790 and base 890 in the uk is £3k and another grand when you unlock it . I have a 790 and love it as it ticks all the boxes .However there are some well reported quality of parts issues ,yes I've had a few ,but ktm appear to not have rectified these even on the 890 coolant and oil leaks matched with cheap plastics to name a few .would I buy the 890 ,simply no .Id rather upgrade the suspension on the 790 and keep that .
www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/track-showdown-2019-ktm-790-duke-r-vs-2020-ktm-890-duke-r
that's exactly what I'm planning to do. All electronics and QS for free, no brainer for me ;)
For me, I'd like to hear your thoughts on how it compares to the Ducati Hypermotard 950? Both bikes where launched in Gran Canaria for good reason.
You mean this? ua-cam.com/video/L-JFvTpeyxk/v-deo.html
@@blackoutblaze I do, it was that very same question I asked Bike world. And they asked me to wait a little while.
Really nice of them to do that video.
Looking at all the initial bugs and problems with the 790, the owners wouldn't rush to buy another KTM at all. :D
I have a 790 no problems no bugs.
@@NeilFranken Then just type "KTM 790 problems" into the search bar. ;)
@@Szlejer type in any bike model in a search bar and guess what you will find loads of links to bad Ducati's, Honda's, Yamaha's etc. It is a very unscientific way to judge if a model has issues. I bet you this is the way Trump runs his government by googling something and believing the first link. I had access to 3 KTM dealers workshop data and did an analysis of faults on the 790 and other models before I made up my mind. So far my experience has been excellent no problem what so ever and the software keeps getting better as it gets updated.
790 Duke. Yes I've probably had most of the common 790 issues by now. Mostly oil and coolant leaks. Would I buy another KTM? Absolutely YES!
I think something changed my decision making skills after riding the KTM. 😂😂
@@NeilFranken Let's have a round of applause for your very unscientific and 100% unproven fairy tale while the 790 series still has factory recalls in 2020. ;)
How does this compare to the new Ducati Monster?
Seems funny that people get upset with KTM giving you a base model (for a base price) and then letting you pay for "extras" to improve the package at your will. Doesn't that make more sense than making 3 different models of bike with different spec (ie Street triple S, R and RS)?
If you like the 890 no one is forcing you to but the extras but if 6 months on you decide you want the "track pack", or the tech pack, you can buy it. You don't have to sell the bike and buy the next model up?
very good point.......bought 890 r with the tech pack which includes everything Matt was talking about......only other extra i would get is cruise control....it just burns your chaps cuz they just send a message via programmer and cost is $700.....its already on the bike and used to be on 790s........for the R version everything should be included imo, you still get brakes, susp, and motor the others dont.......i bought the R more for added componets and not electronics......its still a pretty wicked machine and havent seen another on the road yet in 2 months ive had it which is kinda cool.......also the blue and orange looks great.....actually the 1290 blue and orange from last year looks the best....
I love old cats that don’t give a fuck and keep it real….real recognize real
The whole “pay for the tech” annoys the s£1t out of me too… Because it’s already built into the bike they sell you - and then just make you pay more!?
Far to many people had serious problems with the 790, engine and transmission failure, electrical faults, all that usual KTM good stuff, shame that they design some fantastic stuff but can't actually make it work for any length of time.
Na not really....
@@RealOrbit-Australia yeah....really! lol. Plus they look God Awful.
@@tonebonetones right well that's your opinion mate....I've had 3 in the Oz outback where people die if they wander off in a day and had zero problems...so yea really?
How tall are you and how does the bike fit you
Iv just test rode the 790 890 and the bonkers 1290 and i went for the 790 ! why ! well the 1290 so more a track missile and just bonkers on the road, great bike but jeez you have to be on your toes with it all the time to the point of pananoid with it ! not a good way to enjoy a live with a bike, the 890 very very nice and in my opinion not a big step up from the 790, yes the 890 has better wp suspension and it has brembo's but i found the suspension on the 790 fine for what i use the bike for (commuting and a hooligan tool at the weekend) power wise ok the 890 has 10ish give or take bhp more which i didnt really notice on the 3 days i had each bike ! what made my mind up was the 790 fully loaded with all the electronic packs as standard ! i just paid £6895 !!! on the road ! the 890 is what £10400 standard ! then as you say KTM being KTM decide you now have to pay for the electronic packs on top of the base price ! which now takes the 890 upto £11000 + depending where you buy it from ! thats £4000 more than the 790 ! iv had the 790 now 3 days put 300 miles on it and love it , do i miss the fully adjustable wp suspension err no, do i miss the extra few bhp the 890 has err no again, would i trade a 790 for a 890 ? deffo no as there is just not enough difference between them to justify changing ! but i still have a smile across my face with the 790 and iv saved £4k which is a hell of a lot of KTM power parts to be bought and when fitted will make this 790 very very nice indeed.
Perfect response. 3.5k to £4k more. Love the 790 and sure would love the 890r but cant justify extra money cost
You saved 4k but your gonna put that much in power parts on your 790? You might as well have bought the 890...
I had the same thoughts, went to buy a 890R and was amazed I had to pay for the quick shifter to be enabled, £11k on the road, or £7200 for the 790 duke, no brainier, it’s 90% of the 890R for a £3800 saving, I’ve spent £800 of that saving on an end can, tail tidy, factory decals kit, K&N filter and fuel booster, looks the business, sounds the business and goes like stink, £8k spent, job done and 2 years warranty.
I'm looking at the Duke 390 right now for my first bike to get on but their asking $5600 for the 390 if I can get the 890 for $2500 more bucks I may go that route lol.iv always heard if you get anything under a 500 you'll end up wanting something bigger soon as you get use to riding.but idk I kinda feel like the 390 would be good for a few years for me.im kinda back an forth on it now lol
The Duke 390 is my first bike and I still love it. I admit I am starting to get bored, however I had always planned to upgrade after a year, so I worked out for me.
KTM 890 R - The Scalpel 2.0
The pricing in annoying. I don't know why KTM plays those games. The sad part is, on the non R high end versions, it comes with all the electronics as standard, no extra cost.
Ktm plays those games in order to acclimatise the customer to paying extra for everything.
Pay extra for wheelies?
Wow
Actually the normal setting on the bike only accept 7 degree angle of wheelie for maximum acceleration. It's an extreme fun bike. With or without wheelies.
Ask KTM to build an 890 Duke GT!
I'm waiting for a 890 SMC
@@Aug-Ustinus me too, ktm needs to bring back the big sumos
People hear only what they want to hear and disregard the rest.
Where does it end? Sure you can bike the bike but remember, tyres are an extra charge item.
I'll never buy another one from a dealer.
And don't forget the outrageous servicing costs. The service on one of my 690's cost more than a service on my 560SEL Mercedes.
I couldn't believe it when I was told the cost, I asked if he was telling me a lousy joke or simply insulting me.
Enough said.
Husqvarna Norden 901 will be ;) ?
KTM I'm sure would be surprised to see how many sales they lose. Greed and avarice, nothing more nothing less.
Better for KTM and it's network of dealers to sell ten at a $100 than to sell one at a $1000.
Fiat found this out the hard way when they first put the Fiat 500 on the market at a highly inflated price, just like Toyota is with the new Yaris.
Once again, amazing products but greed gets in the way.
I'm not for a minute saying they shouldn't make a profit, but there's a big difference but a good profit and a huge profit.
But even when I brought numerous KTM's and especially the two 1290R's, even the salesperson told me that KTM aren't interested in there feedback about their malevolent behaviour.
I was going to buy the new third edition of the 1290R but after getting all the add ons it's so close to a Ducati Streetfighter V4S I'm going for it.
Also another important point is scheduled maintenance, here the Ducati is much more competitive.
It's a shame as I love the 1290R but nowdays especially you have to think of all of the above and at some point selling, and once again the Ducati will outperform the KTM.
I know what I sound like but take the emotion out, there's are expensive machines and I can't see the point of throwing good money after bad.
KTM is the biggest European motorcycle manufacturer by sales volume
KTM may vary well sell the most motorcycles but we are talking about two specific models, 1290R & 890R. Sure you can bike these models and ride out of the dealership but if you want to access there real potential potential you have to pay to get the codes to UNLOCK them!
You buy these bikes to have fun, wheelies etc.
So it's user pays, and if not, hard luck.
Other makes have all these features as standard.
So KTM effectively positions it's product (1290R & 890R) as if you want the real deal you pay what we say and if not we don't care, there's the front door, start walking.
As I've said a number of times, there amazing bikes, but only only if you PAY TO PLAY.
I can talk from experience as I've owned two 1290R's plus two 690's and one 790.
KTM are excellent motorcycles, no question but it's pricing strategy for these specific models are driving buyers out the door.
In my local dealer in Sydney there's 2019 & 2019 new models still sitting on the dealer floor!
They would sell many more if they changed their pricing policy.
@@karlwilliams8208 it's probably just a gimmick to show lower prices mate...ie instead of 10499 it's 9999...but it's really 10499 because everyone will want the quickshifter etc. I know what you mean but people just cough up regardless
All KTM's have full features built in, to use them, you have to pay to get them unlocked.
Which is criminal really. Turn a 0 into a 1 in the ECU, 'That'll be $1000 sir.'
That or the MT-09 SP?
What are you looking for in a bike?
The Duke is all about cornerspeed and low down grunt.
The MT is a more all round bike.
Just try them, and buy what feels best
i seriously think those ktm beggers shoukd give it the superduke style headlight ...
I'm happy it doesn't wheely. Doing a wheely means losing mu drivers license.
Ok i was intrigued, and checking the price on one to replace my S1000R. but if i have to pay extra for wheelies, im out the door so fast.. Bye KTM
I just did this, sold the S1000R and bought the KTM. Even with my staff pricing I'm salty that I had to buy the electrogubbins for more. ITS ALL THERE KTM!! TURN IT ONNNNNN
@@kevie88 yeah im gonna get a tuono v4r in stead 😊
@@MC-Racing killer bike. I had a 2014 last year. Gotta be prepared for some Aprilia fuckery too haha. At least you get what you pay for right away. The 1100 motor is insane.
@@kevie88 Yeah, i hope so.. but it depends on, if i can sell the BMW and find a suitable used model less than 5 years old :-)
I really love the design of the KTMs. In fact, for my level of riding, I would love to buy RC390 for a track day since it is so light and sexy looking. HOWEVER, I am still quite concerned about the build quality compared to other Japanese bikes... 🤔🙄
KTM's European so it's not "build quality" it's "Euro Quirkiness"
wink wink nudge nudge.
But yea, the poor quality control is the main reason I'm afraid to buy one.
I bought a '17 RC390 had no problems what so ever.
@@DukeOfTwist Yup Yup.. I am seriously considering it..Thank you..
@@jensenmiller6410 hahaha.. okie.. well.. I guess I am buying one some time in the near future... 🥰
@@Tobeon2 I then upgraded to a '18 790 Duke, btw I've been riding for 40 years had owned 3x R6's prior to the RC390
Doesn't matter how good this KTM is, I'll always have trust issues with reliability of KTM's. Usually their radiator coolant gets mixed with engine oil 😣
RIP bro.
If you want a fun bike save all cash just buy their Duke 390 it had minor issues and that current one as a commuter and weekend can also do it all. You won't get massive power but then again it's probably still quickest 400 well least not that kawasaki 400 has arrived. These big bikes don't seem to have much appeal anymore like small machines 😁💯
The day I pay to unlock stuff already on the bike is the day I stop being a biker.
Disgusting tactic.
It's not Fully Adjustable Suspension. This is not just a shame and also unacceptable to me for a hyper-naked in 2020! Also KTM is very greedy too!
Great bike got a 22 890R, KTM is showing its greedy side by installing quick shift and track pack and charging you extra to unlock it - cheap bastards! Aside from that extra grand it will cost you, the bike is fantastic and is an absolute giant killer in the canyons!
I want to trade my RC390 for one of these babies
Get a run-out 790 if you can find one as they're going cheap best bang for the buck being 2/3rd the price of the 890R
This engine on the Vitpilen...🤔
That would result in a +25% price increase for Husqvarna Re-styling surcharge like they did with the Duke 690R.
Already done it but it's called the Norden 901.
@@fyorbane But thats an adv bike not a naked/cafe racer or sports bike.
Vitpilen 901 🔥🤙
Complaining about having to pay more than the base price???
Go to BMW and you'll see the real thing.
yeah but bmw is for rich old guys
@@Supernova12034 Not anymore. Check the S1000 family, for example.
I'm over naked bikes they are overrated, even going on a short 1 hour trip on the highway is awful with the wind blast.
@WildSandwich my opinion
I don't even notice it until the $2 mark. Probably need to back off before then anyway if I want to avoid police intervention. Even on track days I'm only 30km/h slower than my racing bike at the end of the main straight but feel 60km/h faster.
I fitted a screen on my 790 ,made it great for touring and can sit on the autobahn in 3 figures comfortably ,but each to there own
mets des power cup2 sur 790 cela fait pareil .
Agreed! KTM is just an honest crook!! And by the way, you are riding on the WRONG side of the road!!
What? You have to pay to turn off the anti-wheelie? That's not cool KTM. Stop being money grabbers.
F### KTM buy the new MT09
The biggest drawback of this motorcycle and most motorcycles today is the overly overt, contrived and hideous styling. Motorcycles can be a work of art, instead most manufacturers are making motorcycles that look like a cobbled-together together mess.
Typical KTM making you want and need the extras at extra cost!👎
...."you may recognise this bike". Yup. A pug ugly, garish colour schemed KTM. They all look the same lol. Except maybe, just maybe, the exhaust on this one is worse than the others.
lolol...that was well put, even though it's ugliness has grown on me.