Definitely a gotta have truck gun! Have wanted a Sub 2000 for a long time! Better save my pennies and get one before I get too old! 😊 Great review HR! Thanks!
Appreciate the review and your totally entitled to your opinion but the Gen 3 Trigger is Metal(Aluminum) so that’s an upgrade in itself and they also did spring upgrades on it so it should be better but respect how you feel about it
I got my G3 a week ago. Finally got it to the range, i was waiting on my fixed barrel spacer to show up. Only put about a 100 rounds of mixed 9mm thru it. Had about 4-5 jams, should be fine after more break-in. Very accurate with a red dot at 25-50yds, 1"-2.5" groups. Very happy with my first Kel-Tec...
I can see your point on this one. Concealment, handy, better in certain situations than a pistol. For my purposes, the chance of being in that type of situation, might be extremely rare.
Minneapolis here. Since 2020, it's been one Leftist street level violence rationalized "cause" after another in the city limits, sometimes suburbs. Even fall 2023 with Oct 7th terrorist supporters blocking streets and attacking the elderly in their cars. To me, HR's points are salient.
I've never been a KelTec fan before this. After watching your video I have to say, there might be something to it. Thanks for taking the time to show and explain the reasons for owning one. While it was not on my list of things to research, it is now.
I picked up my Gen 2 the day after Christmas '23. It's a G19 gun, and the grip profile is identical to the G3 you are showing. The G19 mag fills that empty space perfectly.
To fold it, you pull down on the trigger guard. To unfold it, you push the button in the stock to release it. If you just force it open, you could wear out the tab that mates with the M-LOK And it won’t stay closed. Bad idea to just pull it open.
I wasn't aware of the Gen3 , until I started looking into 9mm carbines. I've considered Ruger's Backpacker 9mm, but the KelTec is $300 less at a local dealer. Nice review. From FL.
My local gunshop calls it the 'pizza-rifle', because it comes in a generic brown pizza box, lol! I bought my Gen2 9 months ago, and I love it to no end! I added the factory rubber butt-pad, and modified the charge handle slightly for a better grip. Otherwise, I enjoy it as-is, 100%!
👍👍great review. I would hope they eventually make it compatible with other magazines since all my 9mms are smith & Wesson. I would probably still go with the gen 2 for that reason. Thanks for the video.
Nice review with great close ups HR. Unfortunately I'm in WA, where only LE and criminals will have these since our unconstitutional 'assault weapon' ban went into effect.
@@Eyespyd Not the USA in general, however some states such as Washington, have decided what an 'assault weapon' is, and have banned sales of them or any parts for them plus mags with capacity over 10 rounds. . I now cannot legally order parts for my AR for instance, or mags over 10 rounds for even my Ruger 10-22.
If they offer the gen 3 with Beretta mags I will consider it as I have the gen 2 to go with the 92 series pistols. My gen 2 works well and my slight gripe is it's a little hard to get behind the iron sights. Being able to fold/compactness is why I chose the Kel Tec over the Beretta rifle..along with price. Thanks for your presentation.
The new "preserve optic" fold is the winning feature along with cost. Beats a Ruger PCC price by nearly 50%. And I love 40S&W as a real hard hitting round, making Carbine length that much better. It's a win for what it is 👍 Looking forward to the range review.
@@indycharlie during the shortage they were going for $900+. I just checked, Ruger just released a new 45ACP carbine and it's on Brownells for $777. So, not as bad as I thought. That would be a good comparable. But I like the Glock mags of the Keltec too. Easy to find serious gangsta extendo mags 😂
OK thanks . I was wondering, BC I bought the " backpacker " model a few yrs ago for like $789 or so . Yeah , I like the looks and vid's I have seen on that 45 ACP a LOT !! $777 sounds like a great buy IMO . Hmmm.... @@hoffpbass
Very well done review ! I wonder if the 3 "locks in " harder due to the swivel of the barrel for better lock-up , or maybe better accuracy ? IMHO . It would be very cool to see the 2 for comparison when you take the 3 to the range regarding accuracy :D
The thing that kept me from getting the new Smith & Wesson was that it didn't take Glock mags & I'm kinda stuck with Glock in my part time job. I never liked the way the Kel Tec folded until now. I hope the range review turns out to be as good as the older gen guns since I think a pcc would serve me a bit better than an AR.
I have the Gen 2 and the pistol grip is different than your Gen 2. My pistol grip looks more like a Gen 3 grip. I wonder why this is? I double checked your video and my pinky falls off the grip as Gen 3's grip. I've also had issues with extended magazines, while almost no issues with the 15 round capacity magazines. With the extended magazines, there is no hard stop the 15 round magazine's "feet" provide and I found you have to be extra careful to not get overly enthusiastic about slapping the magazine in further which will cause problem extracting the spent round and feeding the following round. I've been using only 15 round clip since as I'm concerned about the reliability of the extended round and its ability to seat properly. Also, I'm sticking with iron sights to keep the platform simple with Gen 2. Thought about the Mcarbo mount for optics, but not too crazy about the additional bulge. Sometimes, I do mount a red dot underneath and will take out and mount on top, but can understand it's not the most practical solution, but it's there if needed, but zeroing may not be as consistent as your solution. Regardless, thanks for the review. Semper Fi.
There were 2 different Glock compatible Gen 2 Models. The one that would accept G19 magazines was made to the same dimensions as the Gen 3. Those the would only accept the G17 (and longer) magazines were the same size as my Gen 2.
Shoutout to Mcarbo. The savior for the sub2k. Such needed mods for the gen 2s, this gen 3 seems to answer big things Ive seen others change via Mcarbo mods.
@@hrfunk Thanks for sharing your review, by the way! I'm a Gen 2 user and I love the cabine. To deploy it, I found that putting my thumb in the gap in front of the latch and the other fingers on the buttstock pulling it open is way faster than using two fingers to pull the latch.
I love the generel idea of the sub 2000. mine is a gen 2 full size glock mag (17) version. I love the idea of my duty gun and my laptop case gun using the same magazines. my optic setup is less than optimal. I have a QD riser with a Riton red dot. I love that thing but just another level of time consuming to put on and off for use and storage. I do have tightly wound ductape on the charging handle for both girth and minimal twang reduction.
@@hrfunk Less flex. On my Gen 2 I put an M-Carbo in it and it felt better. Not a big deal and I know I am splitting hairs, just a preference. Both triggers work well. Your mileage may differ.
The older iron sights sucked, and most people tried to replace them anyway. Iron sights should be backups, not primaries anymore. We live in the future. The new charging handle is not for "recoil mitigation". That's silly. It's just much much more comfortable to use. Most people hated the G2 trigger and trigger pull, and was a common upgrade. You didn't mention that the G3 trigger is now aluminum instead of plastic.
@@hrfunk Why would you think they would make the folded barrel release that way? You clearly did not read the manual! Failing to mention that the newly redesigned trigger is aluminum proves you did not do your research! This review is amateur at best!
It rernot that great of a weapon. Simple handgun rifle tube, max range is just 50 yards max 60. No power,charging handle is horrible!!!! Metal tube u have to lean ur chin no accurate shot from the vibration recoils should be some sort padding cheek rest, basically a 400$ fake rifle , personal defense weapon Nuthin fancy extended mag or 50 drum mag hobby gun that all it is fun gun
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Definitely a gotta have truck gun! Have wanted a Sub 2000 for a long time! Better save my pennies and get one before I get too old! 😊 Great review HR! Thanks!
Save the nickles and dimes too. Speed things up a bit.
See ya later Dan.
I had a gen 2 for awhile and found it was fun but really just a good way to burn through ammo.
I like my Gen 2. It fills a niche for me.
@@hrfunk I like Kel-Tec, they are weird but interesting. I really like their PMR30
Appreciate the review and your totally entitled to your opinion but the Gen 3 Trigger is Metal(Aluminum) so that’s an upgrade in itself and they also did spring upgrades on it so it should be better but respect how you feel about it
I got my G3 a week ago. Finally got it to the range, i was waiting on my fixed barrel spacer to show up. Only put about a 100 rounds of mixed 9mm thru it. Had about 4-5 jams, should be fine after more break-in. Very accurate with a red dot at 25-50yds, 1"-2.5" groups. Very happy with my first Kel-Tec...
I can see your point on this one. Concealment, handy, better in certain situations than a pistol. For my purposes, the chance of being in that type of situation, might be extremely rare.
Minneapolis here. Since 2020, it's been one Leftist street level violence rationalized "cause" after another in the city limits, sometimes suburbs. Even fall 2023 with Oct 7th terrorist supporters blocking streets and attacking the elderly in their cars. To me, HR's points are salient.
I've never been a KelTec fan before this. After watching your video I have to say, there might be something to it. Thanks for taking the time to show and explain the reasons for owning one. While it was not on my list of things to research, it is now.
My pleasure. Thanks for watching!
I picked up my Gen 2 the day after Christmas '23. It's a G19 gun, and the grip profile is identical to the G3 you are showing. The G19 mag fills that empty space perfectly.
I have to agree with you funk, on the fixed sights. If a firearm comes without sights, that's definitely not ideal to say the least.
That seems to be a disturbing trend with PCC's and "sporting rifles" these days.
You can always add some quality iron sights on that long rail. NOT an issue at all except for people who can’t afford quality, dependable optics.
To fold it, you pull down on the trigger guard. To unfold it, you push the button in the stock to release it. If you just force it open, you could wear out the tab that mates with the M-LOK And it won’t stay closed. Bad idea to just pull it open.
The aftermarket recoil pads (Missouri Tactical Products) fits the Gen 3 also.
That’s what the warranty is for.
I can't wait for the range review!
It will be up on Wednesday.
I wasn't aware of the Gen3 , until I started looking into 9mm carbines. I've considered Ruger's Backpacker 9mm, but the KelTec is $300 less at a local dealer. Nice review. From FL.
Thank you. I just had mine out again a few days ago. It continues to run well.
Nice. I love the compact design
Thanks Mr. Funk. Good look at the Gen.3
My local gunshop calls it the 'pizza-rifle', because it comes in a generic brown pizza box, lol! I bought my Gen2 9 months ago, and I love it to no end! I added the factory rubber butt-pad, and modified the charge handle slightly for a better grip. Otherwise, I enjoy it as-is, 100%!
👍👍great review. I would hope they eventually make it compatible with other magazines since all my 9mms are smith & Wesson. I would probably still go with the gen 2 for that reason. Thanks for the video.
An interesting PCC that looks to have a lot going for it. Should be fun on the range.
Good review and comparison between the two models. A lot of small changes to be aware of.
Nice review with great close ups HR. Unfortunately I'm in WA, where only LE and criminals will have these since our unconstitutional 'assault weapon' ban went into effect.
That’s too bad. Thanks for watching.
Dang these guns are considered an assault rifle in the Usa? Any canuck with a basic non restricted licence can own these
@@Eyespyd Not the USA in general, however some states such as Washington, have decided what an 'assault weapon' is, and have banned sales of them or any parts for them plus mags with capacity over 10 rounds. . I now cannot legally order parts for my AR for instance, or mags over 10 rounds for even my Ruger 10-22.
Would like to know how compares to the S&W FPC
There are plenty of reviews on the FPC. You should be able to watch them and form a comparison.
I have the M carbo system Red dot, but like back up sights,so I was not interested in the Gen 3.
It actually has a button on the end to release the barrel from the stored position 🎉
If they offer the gen 3 with Beretta mags I will consider it as I have the gen 2 to go with the 92 series pistols. My gen 2 works well and my slight gripe is it's a little hard to get behind the iron sights. Being able to fold/compactness is why I chose the Kel Tec over the Beretta rifle..along with price. Thanks for your presentation.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
The new "preserve optic" fold is the winning feature along with cost. Beats a Ruger PCC price by nearly 50%. And I love 40S&W as a real hard hitting round, making Carbine length that much better.
It's a win for what it is 👍 Looking forward to the range review.
Really , the PCC is a grand now ? .. wow !
@@indycharlie during the shortage they were going for $900+. I just checked, Ruger just released a new 45ACP carbine and it's on Brownells for $777. So, not as bad as I thought. That would be a good comparable. But I like the Glock mags of the Keltec too. Easy to find serious gangsta extendo mags 😂
OK thanks . I was wondering, BC I bought the " backpacker " model a few yrs ago for like $789 or so . Yeah , I like the looks and vid's I have seen on that 45 ACP a LOT !! $777 sounds like a great buy IMO . Hmmm.... @@hoffpbass
You push in button on end of but stock to release to lock open
IIRC the gen 3 Sub2k is 9mm only.
That appears to be true at this time.
Makes it easier to step up to the Ruger LC 45. The 16-1/2” barrel really steps up the ballistics of +P .45 ACP
Very well done review ! I wonder if the 3 "locks in " harder due to the swivel of the barrel for better lock-up , or maybe better accuracy ? IMHO . It would be very cool to see the 2 for comparison when you take the 3 to the range regarding accuracy :D
I might do that in the future.
They probably should have included backup irons that folded down into the picatinny, similar to what os on the Stribog.
Funtional, but not primary.
U Can Always Get AR Style,
Flip Up Sights For It...
@@jeffadams9807 The point though is that it doesn't come with sights from in the box so you have to have or buy sights before your can shoot it.
Looking forward to seeing this one.
This will be my Christmas present. It looks fun to shoot and will be useful during the Zombie Apocalypse.
The thing that kept me from getting the new Smith & Wesson was that it didn't take Glock mags & I'm kinda stuck with Glock in my part time job. I never liked the way the Kel Tec folded until now. I hope the range review turns out to be as good as the older gen guns since I think a pcc would serve me a bit better than an AR.
Stay tuned. The Range review will be up on Wednesday.
I have the Gen 2 and the pistol grip is different than your Gen 2. My pistol grip looks more like a Gen 3 grip. I wonder why this is? I double checked your video and my pinky falls off the grip as Gen 3's grip. I've also had issues with extended magazines, while almost no issues with the 15 round capacity magazines. With the extended magazines, there is no hard stop the 15 round magazine's "feet" provide and I found you have to be extra careful to not get overly enthusiastic about slapping the magazine in further which will cause problem extracting the spent round and feeding the following round. I've been using only 15 round clip since as I'm concerned about the reliability of the extended round and its ability to seat properly. Also, I'm sticking with iron sights to keep the platform simple with Gen 2. Thought about the Mcarbo mount for optics, but not too crazy about the additional bulge. Sometimes, I do mount a red dot underneath and will take out and mount on top, but can understand it's not the most practical solution, but it's there if needed, but zeroing may not be as consistent as your solution. Regardless, thanks for the review. Semper Fi.
Semper Fi! I suspect your S2K is set up to use Glock 19 magazines. Those models used the shorter grip to accommodate the shorter G19 mags.
Just FYI, push the button on the stock to unlock..
This is an excellent review. (Thorough and to the point.)
Thank you!
Thank you for your videos on the Sub 2k’s.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
For Sight's, U Can
Alway's Get AR Style
Flip Up Sight's For It...
I know, it just annoys me to HAVE to get them before I can shoot.
yes you do need back up sights. also is it 0311 proof
I haven't managed to break it yet, but I was a 5811.
My gen 2 that's block is cut the same as a gen 3 ..think its because yours was a baretta
There were 2 different Glock compatible Gen 2 Models. The one that would accept G19 magazines was made to the same dimensions as the Gen 3. Those the would only accept the G17 (and longer) magazines were the same size as my Gen 2.
Iike this gen3 more than the s&w fpc.
Shoutout to Mcarbo. The savior for the sub2k. Such needed mods for the gen 2s, this gen 3 seems to answer big things Ive seen others change via Mcarbo mods.
Great video. Well spoken and very informative!
Thank you!
Should be issued to NYPD patrol cars back up weapon in certain situations
How reliable will the rear plastic hitch will be? Also, after adding another motion to deploy the gun, it adds a lot of margin for error.
Maybe. It’s a little more of a process to deploy the Gen 3. Then again, with some practice it should take much longer.
@@hrfunk Thanks for sharing your review, by the way! I'm a Gen 2 user and I love the cabine. To deploy it, I found that putting my thumb in the gap in front of the latch and the other fingers on the buttstock pulling it open is way faster than using two fingers to pull the latch.
Which annoys you more having to purchase optic plates for a pistol or having to purchase an optic for the sub 2000?
Probably the plates, but it’s a close call.
Is it just me or is
That gun missing the buffer tube nut?
On the gen 3?
Guess they don’t take one,
I was curious about the exposed threads looked at others they are the same way? Guess it’s spose be like that,,,
Yes, the Gen 3 has dispensed with that.
They had to do the Gen 3 Because S&W FPC with 3 mag 2 of which are extended Smith was killing them. Great Video!
Thank you!
Did they replace the plastic feedramp with a stainless or other metal ramp ?
@@emilmartinez2591 No. it's plastic.
Cool Thanks !
Be interested to see how it returns to zero after folding/unfolding.
I shot mine today and it did not change the point of impact.
So far, I have not noticed any shift in the POI.
What optic do you have on the gen 3? TIA
Currently I have it topped with a Cyelee GT10.
Great review. Thanks.
What’s the AR stock on that rifle?
It’s made by FAB Defense.
10mm please 🙏
Good review. Looks like they are trying to address many of the current market trends.
I love the generel idea of the sub 2000. mine is a gen 2 full size glock mag (17) version. I love the idea of my duty gun and my laptop case gun using the same magazines. my optic setup is less than optimal. I have a QD riser with a Riton red dot. I love that thing but just another level of time consuming to put on and off for use and storage. I do have tightly wound ductape on the charging handle for both girth and minimal twang reduction.
I Have A Gen 3 - 9mm,
On Order...
I hope you like it. Be sure to let me know what you think of it.
@@hrfunk
It's A Great Little Rifle...
The Gen 3 is not worth it in my opinion.
The Mcarbo Keltec is more than sufficient enough...especially the flip optic mount from MCARBO.
Mcarbo sells the Sub 2000 with all their Upgrades installed ?
I’m trying to remember how much they cost. As I recall, they are significantly more expensive than the factory version.
Nicely done.
Thank you!
One mag.
Yeah, I know. I forgot to go on my usual rant about that.
My next purchase
Be sure to let me know what you think of it.
The gen 3 metal from what I was told ..
?
I really wish they made this in .45
In a straight blowback system, that would probably take a pretty stout recoil spring.
More like 10mm
The Gen 3 metal trigger is better than the Gen 2 plastic trigger.
How so?
@@hrfunk Less flex. On my Gen 2 I put an M-Carbo in it and it felt better. Not a big deal and I know I am splitting hairs, just a preference. Both triggers work well. Your mileage may differ.
Great review!
Thank you!
Is the gen 3 plastic feed ramp better than the gen 2 plastic feed ramp?
Needs 10mm.
My notification says 10:00 am.
That’s for the people who don’t tune into the livestream.
The rotating barrel on locking is a BIG improvement from Gen 2, 1.
The older iron sights sucked, and most people tried to replace them anyway. Iron sights should be backups, not primaries anymore. We live in the future.
The new charging handle is not for "recoil mitigation". That's silly. It's just much much more comfortable to use.
Most people hated the G2 trigger and trigger pull, and was a common upgrade. You didn't mention that the G3 trigger is now aluminum instead of plastic.
An ill-prepared review at best!
Feel free to produce your own review.
@@hrfunk Why would you think they would make the folded barrel release that way? You clearly did not read the manual! Failing to mention that the newly redesigned trigger is aluminum proves you did not do your research! This review is amateur at best!
Ya sold me on this gun.
kool
It rernot that great of a weapon. Simple handgun rifle tube, max range is just 50 yards max 60. No power,charging handle is horrible!!!! Metal tube u have to lean ur chin no accurate shot from the vibration recoils should be some sort padding cheek rest, basically a 400$ fake rifle , personal defense weapon Nuthin fancy extended mag or 50 drum mag hobby gun that all it is fun gun
Sub 2000
if i was paying enough attention the gen 3 sounds like a downgrade with less features