Best camera reviewer on UA-cam in my opinion. Very succinct delivery, a charismatic host, and stunning imagery shot by a quality photographer. Keep up the great work guys and keep this format!
Great review, I really enjoyed it and it sums up how I feel about my S1R,24-105 combo with the S 50mm f1.4 Pro. It is a very satisfying experience, in reference to my Sony A7R3. I was a Sony shooter for 10 years and my last camera was the A7R3 with the 85gm, 24gm and the 50mm1.4 za, and it was a great combination and the output with these lens combination is amazing. However, when I got my S1R with the 24-105 F4 that output from that combination was simply heaven, more so then with my A7R3. And then when I got the S 50mm F1.4 Pro, the S1R really shined and I was very, very content with the kit lens. And let me tell you, I AM NOT A ZOOM LENS TYPE OF GUY, NEVER HAVE BEEN, the kit lens changed my mind. I sold all of my Sony gear and it one of the best decisions I have made. The User experience alone is worth it, IMO. I love Sony and I think them for their innovation into the ML market, but S1R simply stole my heart. The AF is better on the Sony, but I don't need very quick AF for my shooting style. I am 99.9% still life and landscape and portraits. And I only shoot in good to ok light and never shoot past 3200, (I shot with 6400 and beyond and the S1R does excel, but I try to keep it low)which is why I went with S1R and not the S1, just a better fit. And I shot 16:9 ratio so 7.3mb of resoultion is automatically taken away, which is still plenty of resoultion for me. Yes, the price is steep but it is worth it, IMO. The A7R3 is a fantastic camera at a cheaper price point and a little better AF, but the User Experience simply wasn't there for me and if you could put a dollar amount on the User Experience, I think the price would be cheaper for the S1R. And the output and the rendering from the S1R combo it is leica- ish, seriously. If price isn't issue I would wholeheartedly recommend the S1R or if you are a hybrid video/stills and don't demand a lot of resoultion the the S1 is worth it. I hope my comments helped someone who is on the fence between the AR73 and S1R or the S1 and A7III. If it wasn't for the autofocus I would give the S1R 5/5 but as of now I give it a solid 4.5/5. And just for the record I gave my A7R3 a 4/5 because it to had focusing issues, though it may be a bit better with the new Firmware. Thanks for reading.
Thank you for watching and your well thought out comment, especially from. SONY user. We agree with you on many of your points. The S1R surprised us in a lot of great ways and became one of our favourite full frame systems on the market. Like you said this isn’t taking anything away from Sony, which makes great cameras and lenses, but we also really like what the S1R brings to the table. Thanks once again!
@mcsey2k1 I've already liked your comment a year ago, as well as this video. But I did have the hopes up to stay with m43 and my already high end Panasonic gear. The S line was on my list already when they announced it as I love the Panasonic bodies and the Panasonic Leica lenses but I never switched. Much thanks to this review from tech360 and your mini review/comment here I pulled the trigger on an almost new (900 shutter counts) S1R + 24-105 F4 at about 60% of the price of the new kit. Thanks for writing your thoughts and experiences :) /Rasmus
Maybe the best Panasonic Lumix S1R camera reviews I've seen. Thank you! I finally got my hands on one at B&H here in New York. Yup, feels pretty much like your average DSLR. Great grip. Built like a tank! But I'm so happy that someone did a shoot that also focuses on how well the lenses work with the body as well. I just haven't seen a review as good as yours about this. Absolutely fantastic! There was one reviewer of the Panasonic 50mm f/1.4 and he was actually a bit giddy about the lens. He couldn't stop talking about how great it was! The people-oriented shots taken in this video are quite fantastic. And the previous shots taken I've seen were done with the S1. Not the S1R. And there is a difference. The Leica lens does seem to have similar characteristics to an MF system... I'm firmly in the m43 camp and love the quality I get from it. However, I 'thought' I would always get a MF camera for those bigger and expensive shoots I want to do... The image quality and 'look' of MF is absolutely beautiful. Even a 7-year old MF camera gets as good if not better quality than the best DSLR out there. Heck, look on DXO mark and you'll see that at least in the portrait score, a 10-year old Phase One camera still holds the top spot. Which for fashion, portrait and possibly landscapes, is exactly what you want. But they are big, expensive and mostly for studio work. It's 2x the money for a 'refurbished' Phase One system than a new S1R with a LEICA lens... Yes, a Leica.... I tell ya... When 2020 rolls around.. This camera can be a tough one for me to turn down.
Hi Ricardo thank you so much for your kind words. We were fortunate to have the support of all three companies here in SG to be able to show examples of the respective lenses. Yes the Panasonic 50 1.4 is a fantastic lens. Only when you put it next to the Leica lens do you see how good Panasonic’s version is. Yes the Leica lenses can give you that MF look. To me they are comparable to the Otus but with autofocus. I do have to say though is that MF is MF and the tones and dynamic range you will get will exceed that of full frame currently. Having said that, if your shoots don’t require that level of detail and DR, you will be more than happy with the S1R.
@@TECH360TV "I do have to say though is that MF is MF and the tones and dynamic range you will get will exceed that of full frame currently." A real photographer who knows what they're talking about: subscribed!
@@TECH360TV keep up the great works. Thanks for the time and effort you put into this. I bought the S1 already and agree with your many positive and minus about the camera. What do you think of MC-21? Is it fast for AF-S? Do you know if AF-C support will come in the future?
Travis the MC-21 I had wasn’t a production unit so the autofocus wasn’t fantastic. It worked but not that fast. Because of the inconsistency with AF-C on the camera I stuck to single autofocus. My advice is try the adapter when it comes out and see if it works for you speed wise.
20% positive 80% negative comments pricing too big. What people don’t realise you can have the best camera but it won’t make you a great photographer it’s not the camera makes the person its person that makes the camera. I m not fussed about size I rock my 5d m3 yes now that’s a big size of course I like the feel if it wasn’t big I wouldn’t use it or have brought it obviously I upgrade to the 5d m4 now but 1 day btw I’m not canon fanboy lol I just love canon that’s all. what else people in the comment section complain about price “here I am laughing” why obviously top range mirror less and DSLR re costly not cheap you want the best pay the cash or go budget. Panasonic gh5 and the S1 etc.. have the best mirror less cameras in the game yes Sony give better options for all price ranges but I think so far 2019 Panasonic are smashing it FYI loved the video v informative well detailed also including pictures and videos plus you outside giving us a review and view how a person would deal if they were with camera outside from rain sun sunset and night low light are enjoyed it you deserve more views
Thanks for watching and the support. There will be these negative comments but many haven’t tried it before or fans of other Brand’s. Just part and parcel of tech theses days.
The first time someone ensured me to buy Panasonic S1 as my future DSLM. I will also buy the 50mm 1.4 and thanks for first experience shots with the adapter for EF lenses. Next week the S1 is mine 😊 I hope for AF improvements!!!
@@manilamartin1001 alright I really like the camera and the updates are pretty helpful. Hope for more updates but I like it anyway. But I still have to wait for the 50mm 1.4 😌
Wow, the Leica Summilux SL 50mm F/1.4 looks absolutely amazing! The only problem is that now I find myself seriously pondering if I should wait for the Summilux instead of getting the Panasonic 50. Thank you very much for this great review!
lilstarfishdude yeah it looks good on the S1R. If you have the funds go for it, if not the 50 1.4 Lumix S Pro is 90% of the Summilux image quality wise.
In all Honesty... Panasonic has REALLY brought the guns to the table and they do not disappoint... i’ve been looking into sony, but Panasonic Lumix models are where it’s at
TECH360.TV thanks for sharing! You're the only ones I've seen use Lica glass and also the mc-21 adapter! Plus most the reviews are still on the pre Production model.
TECH360.TV hey question with the MC-21 adapter when shooting in 4k can you use a aps-c lens foe the Canon version to get the correct focal length? Like could I use the Laowa 9mm zero D on the S1 in 4k60 with the mc-21?
I'm excited to get the camera tomorrow. I needed a full frame with unlimited record time without an external recorder and extreme low light for events. This was the only camera that had those specs. I look forward to giving an update on my experience soon.
TECH360.TV I’ll be selling my EOS R which I’ve enjoyed but which unfortunately has some major ergonomic and technical flaws. I’m hoping the new sigma adapter for EF lenses works well.
the camera paired with the summilux is just magic! hope you guys also did the same video with the 50 s pro as well and make a side-by-side comparison...
Thank you for the review. What I don't understand is this attempt to classify the S1 as a "hybrid stills/video" camera and the S1R as mainly for stills. I've heard this from the Panasonic marketing people and it seems to be the company line, I can allow for that. But why would you agree? From what I've read the S1, when shooting stills, has better high ISO performance (e.g. less noise) and better dynamic range. Now this is from someone who bought the S1R anyway, so I'm not just trying to feel better about my decision. Another ironic point is that I used to shoot Nikon D2H, went to M43 because I couldn't lug around that camera and telephoto lenses, but fell in love with the G9. I wanted a full frame high-res camera and despite the S1R's size I similarly fell in love with its grip, buttons, controls, etc. and decided I'd go back to the gym. :)
Thanks for watching! If a camera gets us back in the gym that’s a good thing :) Reason I say it’s more for photographers is the megapixel size. There is also very good dynamic range to the images and while I haven’t been able to use the S1, I would have a hard time believing a 24mp sensor with smaller file size will have better DR than a larger file size image. Also the S1 will receive the L-Log update to video where as the S1R won’t be. Also a nod by Panasonic they see it as more of a hybrid camera. What’s interesting about the S1R was when I would show it to friends and colleagues, they would first comment how big it is, put it down then a few min later pick it up, use it for a bit and kept holding onto it. It’s one of those cameras that begs to be held. Great ergonomics and feel. Some cameras have this others don’t.
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Great review and I love the style of the videos. Keep up the good work.
Great reviews, Panasonic & Leica partnership definitely worth paying attention to. Sweet jesusss, both of the 50mm F1.4. In the market for a new camera and lens, Think I need to have another visit to my local camera store in NYC. The D5 is rockin my boat right now. But Leica always seems to of something just right, Fits my budget. My image maker right now is a Leica (Type 127) with a Summicron 35. Which is not for sale. Once again thank you for the heads up.
Great review, the only weakness I see in the size. I won't buy a camera in this size anymore, for professional use this camera is a serious alternative to Nikon/Canon and Sony. All manufacturers bid farewell to amateur photographers with a "normal" budget. But the S1R is especially attractive...
I did a test run on the S1 and it is a heavy beast. However it’s a great camera nonetheless. Also used the 50mm 1.4 and it is the sharpest 50mm lens I’ve ever used, and this is coming from a guy who uses Zeiss Milvus 50mm
Hey Bobby, Jose from Puerto Rico. Great review again man! I only have one question about this camera since you mentioned it in the video. When you referred to the weather sealing; could this camera with its lenses handle a heavy rain downpour?
Great video, especially thank you for sharing your experience with Leica lenses. To be honest, I was holding my purchase decision for so long just to see this camera. In many aspects, this camera makes perfect sense; great IQ, great body design, unique features, best EVF. For my use-case, the autofocus is not a problem (I use AF-S and reframe technique most of the time), and it is actually faster than Sony & Nikon (haven't tried Canon Eos R). Also it provides a great upgrade path to epic Leica lenses. Furthermore, I am curious of what Sigma Foveon sensors will bring to the market. However, after trying this camera a bit, I decided it's not for me. The weight is the deal-breaker. I am not a professional, but a hobbyist; but I want to have a good FF mirrorless to carry with me during my trips. I don't have the funds to buy or the space to carry multiple prime lenses (especially on flights). That's why the kit lens is the most important glass for me. The Panasonic S1 (1021 gr) with the kit lens (680 gr) is more than half a kilo heavier than the Nikon Z6 (675 gr) with the 24-70 f4 lens (500 gr). To be honest, that's a huge difference for me, which I could sacrifice some features over. On another note, I was lucky enough to test all 3 Panasonic lenses. For me 24-105 & 70-200 are good lenses. But the 50mm f/1.4, oh my, that lens was amazing. Amazingly quick, impressive IQ, the nice bokeh coupled with the depth-of-field. I was highly skeptical about the price point; but when you use it, you understand why it is so expensive.
Thanks for watching. The camera’ size is definitely something that will be a deciding factor for some. I had it for approx three weeks to test it, and after a few days of continuous usage the size didn’t bother me. I also traveled with it as well. Panasonic is coming out with some very nice lenses in the future for the system you might find interesting. As for the 50, yes it’s so good we had a hard time in some of our tests seeing a difference from the Summilux. It’s there but as I said in the video it’s that good. It’s by far my favourite lens on the S1R and the lens that spend 70% of the time on the camera.
Im heavily considering this camera since its heavy price drop. My two issues with it are a) overpriced lenses and low selection atm and b) Im not super confident about the future of the mount especially considering the current state of the market.
Hi. I currently have this and the S1H with me for a follow up review with the new lenses. Here is my take on it: The camera is very good and the price drops on it make it even more appealing. The mount will be around for a long time. Now you have Panasonic, Sigma and Leica. The Panasonic lenses are very good and if you compare them to others the prices are justified for the most part. Leica is Leica and it’s a luxury to have one of their lenses if they fall into your Budget. Sigma has been the saviour to the alliance in my opinion. Their new mirrorless lenses are great and at a price point that’s affordable without compromising on quality. Additionally there are a number of third party mounts that let you use Canon glass with it as well and the performance is very good. What hurt these cameras from the beginning was their price point. They were too high. Since then Panasonic has lowered the price and online sellers like B&H have had flash sales to move bodies at fantastic prices. I would say go for it and invest into some Sigma Lenses.
@@TECH360TV All good points but with the Z7 im also looking at and is also on special for a couple of hundred dollars over the body only price of the S1r I get the 24-70 f4 and 50mm 1.8s thrown in for free which pretty much gets me well and truly started. There is something about that S1r though its a tough choice, even the good old D850 is in contention and tbh has some advantages over both.
I enjoy the Z7 and have another video coming out on that soon as well. That’s an attractive deal on it I have to say. I would be tempted as well. What type of photography do you do
Love your review ! :) It brought some hope about the lenses. I bought S1 with kit lens and would like to buy/ change to some native lenses. Really like images from Sigma Art 40mm F/1.4. Is this Sigma MC-21 converter work well or is it not compatible with AF-C)? I've also read Auto-exposure and high precision AF in AF-S mode is achieved. Could you advice please :)
Thanks Peter for watching. The Sigma adapter I tested was pre-production so wouldn’t be fair for me to say if it’s good or not. I can say the pre-production adapter was slower to focus than native lenses though. Actually AF-C currently on the S1 or S1R isn’t at its best, so I didn’t really use it. I found AF-S was more than sufficient for my needs. As far as auto exposure and high precision AF, yes it works well in AF-S.
@@TECH360TV cheers bro. I feel I need more resolution so I think I'm going upgrade to S1R. I'm shooting landscapes and children sometimes in action. Found AF-C in S1 is not always fast enough to adopt to running children. Maybe need to practise more and try different modes :). Do you think S1R would really help with image quality or just alow me to blow the size up when printing? Can't afford to buy Leica or Pro Panasonic lenses so maybe my better option is Z7 ? Better AF-C and cheaper lenses :) Thanks for your opinion
In respect to Image quality the S1R and Z7 are pretty much on par. The only difference will be colours in my opinion. The S1R will show more detail for sure as it’s higher megapixel and since you are shooting landscape that will come in handily. In terms of focus, you don’t really need AF-C that much I found. Play with different modes of focusing, but I found People and face detection it locks on pretty well. Also the S1R will be faster than the Z7 with its 4K and 6k high speed shooting will help capture fast action. Also there will be updates to the AF-C in the near future to address some of its issues.
@@peterpeterson7993 If you are tracking running kids my recommendation would be to use the "Tracking" focus selection (the 2nd one from the far left next to the people/animal one) and use continuous focus. I've found it does a great job tracking running dogs and cats and such. Also very good on people as well frankly. Don't mind if in the viewfinder things don't appear as if they are always perfectly in focus. This is perhaps one issue but you have to get past it. I found that while shooting moving subjects in continuous mode and the 6fps in the viewfinder it appeared as if there were a number of shots not nailing it. When reviewing on screen I was shocked to find 100% of the shots taken were dead on in focus. So trust the camera and yourself to keep it on the mark.
Thanks for watching! Two different cameras. The X1D is medium format and the image quality is definitely better, but the camera is meant for static subjects. The S1R is more versatile as I can shoot both. Just depends on one’s style of photography.
TECH360.TV can you speak a little more about the difference in image quality vs the X1D at low ISO? I have the X1D and am thinking about switching or complementing it with the SR1 due to greater lens options, faster AF/shooting, tilt LCD and better EVF. I shoot mostly handheld and while I love the X1D it does have its limitations as my main camera for different situations (I am not a pro but do sell my work).
Peter Mendelson Hi Peter thanks for the comment. The image quality and color of the X1D is still at the top even compared to the S1R. Having said that, the S1R image quality paired with the right glass is to me some of the best images from a full frame camera system to date. The colours coming from the DNG files are very nice, pleasant skin tones etc. As for speed yes the S1R will be much faster than the X1D so for those shoots you need that versatility you will have it with this camera. I would say though that if you can keep the X1D and add the S1R to your workflow you will have a great 1,2 combination. If you would like to see some raw files please DM me with your email address. I can send those over to you to see and compare.
I know that 50mm Panaleica is great but THE PRICE.! :) Still.. I think Sigma 50mm ART series will be pretty good too. Probably no visible difference in quality (unless you go pixel-peeping).
5 years later and I own an s1r and use the sigma 40mm 1.4 and 28mm 1.4 hsm lenses. Yea big and heavy is the 40, but it’s an L mount lens and works fine for the slower work I do. That lens is astonishing to this day. I don’t find the camera heavy even with grip attached but some lenses I own are over a kilo. Still works well for me, not a fan of small fiddly cameras. Image quality is my concern and this works well for serious money savings over newer gear.
So much like the SL but made by Panasonic and less than half of the cost and much more features . Is this one leica SL mkii ? I sold my SL and 3 sl Lenses as they too heavy for me but now i want to buy this camera but the weight made me think again .......unless i use this camera with my leica M lenses just like did with my SL .
Great Review, many thx, but to be honest with you...it was a pain to see these lenses just on the floor. My first thought: imagined these amazing lenses all scratched...please don't do that again :)
tough one :) Here are my SL2 pros: Build Quality Design Color Science Better Video spec Fantastic Menu system Slightly better Image quality Cons: Two SD Card slots (Buffering issues at high frame rate Screen doesn't articulate Battery life Not compatible with many third party flash systems if something goes wrong will take a longer time to repair. S1R Pros: Less Expensive XQD card slot (Now compatible with CF Express) and SD card slot Full touch interface more customisable buttons if you prefer Timely updates vs Leica Compatible with Flash systems like Profoto etc. Articulating screen Cons: Menu system isn't as intuitive Build Quality while good isn't at the SL2 level Too many buttons for some It really comes down to what you need and prefer and of course budget. Both are fantastic cameras and both have great image quality. I found the Leica to have slightly better image quality but unless you are pixel peeping its hard to see the differences.
I tried it with the Canon 50 1.2 and it works well. I have to say though the adapter I have is not a retail unit so not fair to talk about performance completely.
Panasonic get it extremely well with the "S" series. Now playing with the S1 in my hands, I can say this and the S1R are for sure the best mirrorless pro bodies out there as of today. However, I'm not impressed by their 24-105 kit lens and I can say the Canon RF24-105 is a much better lens. Same for the RF50/1.2 - out of this world. So - Canon (normally) is leading from the lens quality perspective, but Panasonic has the much better body. I'm *very* curious to know how the Leica SL lenses work on the S1/R. If they works like native lenses, then this is the route to go. My take on this - if one can afford the Leica SL lenses (and if they work natively) on the Panasonic, this is the way to go. The Panasonic bodies are serious pro devices for sure, but I can't say the same for the f/4 zooms - not interested in these. The image quality that these Panasonic bodies are outputting is a pure Leica (quite normally considering the sensor from the Leica Q2, which is also living in the S1R). Poor Sony - very tough times ahead of them... Canon is beating the dust out of them with the RF lenses and now Panasonic is killing them with the bodies... ;)
Hi Alexander thanks for watching. As for the 24-105 I know what you mean, especially compare to the Canon lenses you mentioned. The 50 1.2 is a fantastic lens and one of Canons best. This is why I mainly shot with the 50 1.4 Lumix S Pro lens and the 70-200. The 50 from Panasonic is very close to the Summilux. As far as focusing with Leica lenses it’s just like using the SL with Leica glass. No differences in speed. In fact I would say the lenses focus a bit faster on the S1R. Overall we believe the S1R could be the future SL2 if And when Leica releases it. You can see a lot of the SL DNA in the camera and the performance enhancements being a newer camera just make it even more enticing. Also I heard Panasonic is invested in the S Series so more lenses should be on the way in the future.
@@TECH360TV , Thanks for your swift response and for the great and faithful review. This is what I wanted to know - how the Leica SL lenses will perform on the S1/R, because from my POV, this is the way to go at least for now. It is obvious from the moment you open the Panasonic box in your hands that this is a premium, pro body that has much of the Leica DNA inside, and especially from the color rendering perspective, which is giving the shooter a great base to start with. The EVF and the shutter are just insane, but I'm not surprised, because Panasonic really shines in electronics. I couldn't agree more with you that what's inside the S1R could be more or less what the new SL2 will be. I'm also getting the S1R tomorrow and what I would love to see is how the new SL APO Summicrons will perform on it. Those lenses although being at f/2 are giving the same DoF as f/1.4 and there are many articles from Peter Karbe how this is achieved. And the fantastic S1R really deserves some top-notch lenses welded to its mount. We are living in a very exciting times, see how things are changing - if only a few years back someone told me that I would really love & enjoy a Panasonic body, I would be smiling. Now after they laid a very solid base, they need to keep pushing on the lens side - this system needs some really decent primes and most important ones are still 35, 50 and 85mm. And while they are having great 50 prime, we are yet to see any confirmation on the 35 and 85 side. I also want to see they publish a clear lens roadmap and not just the shady statement "10 more lenses are coming by 2020". With the above being said - to me the real competition in the high euality/premium segment is now between Canon (with the RF mount) and Panasonic (I'm not even considering Sony seriously in photography). And while Canon is having a fantastic lens roadmap and a pro body is under field testing now, I feel a need to see Panasonic is more focused on the lenses. Thanks for reading.
Alexander Ivanoff Panasonic shares some info with me I’m not allowed to say publicly but they are working on some really cool stuff with the S Series ;)
@@TECH360TV I understand, thanks. :) Then maybe you can send me a message (this is not a public sharing of information, right), so I can be more convinced when I like the results from the tomorrow's test of the S1R, LOL. And I know I'm gonna like them... Enjoy the Sunday eve.
Alexander Ivanoff hahaha I wish I could say but you will find out in time. Just know that there will be a number if lenses from Leica, Sigma and Panasonic and this alliance is real. Enjoy the camera tomorrow ;)
The fujifilm medium format cameras are better in low light. If I was going to go for low light boost from my MFT Panasonic camera then I would go all the way to the fujifilm medium...
I’m not like other reviewers that compare full frame to medium format. Two different sensors, different lenses and yes different performance in low light. As to your first comment, you are looking at a compressed image on UA-cam. In full res you might think differently
3.51 That's what you'd call "good low light sensitivity and one of the best full frame cameras for low light, thus far"? Really. ok! I'm not convinced. Great review all in all, looks like a very nice camera.
Arthur R McPhee hi Arthur, we have a number of shots that are in lower light situations, but we are selecting photos for UA-cam so we need to take in consideration compression and a variety of displays. Thanks for watching though. Much appreciated!
Arthur R McPhee you can compare low light easily. It is easily top 3 low light performers on the market, from an objective point of view. Don’t be such a fucking curmudgeon it’s a sample picture.
When you are handling and carrying a $3600 body with a $5000 lens, I would think you would put the strap around your neck? You don't even own these cameras! Great review but this is a real pet peeve of mine. I guess you never dropped a camera......it happens, so pros use the neck strap.
Thanks for watching. The main reason is I’m wearing a mic and the strap around the neck can cause sound issues if it rubs against it, or knock the mic off. When I use cameras daily when I’m not filming, I’m always using straps.
Жалко эту камеру ... На микре 3/4 матрицы Панасоника обладали гибкостью уровня Canon 5d mark 2 (у меня были все эти камеры ) - и я уверен у этого их ФФ крутая матрица, но Панасоник заведомо похоронил этого зверя сделав экран не поворотным а только наклонным. И безумно дорогой и тяжёлый полтинник добил камеру
TOOO BIG!!! As a leica TL2 user with APS L mount lenses and a large bag of Nikkor, Leica and Voightlander primes adapted for M mount, plus my main workhorse system is Panasonic MFT, I should be part of the target custormer base for this camera. But, it leaves me completely cold. This is heavier than my Nikon D700 which, of all Nikkon DSLRs was most built like a tank. Well the body I could probably put up with but, the lenses are ghastly; these are a different universe to my M mount primes. I can walk about with my Nikon D700 plus 35mm f2D or 50mm f1.8D but I wont do it often. I really dont want to look like a National Geographic outside broadcast unit on the streets and my back couldnt stand the strain. Quite apart from size these lenses have too much glass; I wont buy a lens with more than 10 elements as microtones are suppressed. I think the L mount alliance has lost the plot. Leica made the M10 smaller than the M9 and the redesign was expensive; it is worth making that effort. I cant see this stuff selling. I can buy a Sony A7rmkIII with a compact body and, yes, large lenses like these but, I can also buy small compact AF lenses too (35mm f2.8, 50mm f1.8 and 85mm f1.8). I can end up with a full frame kit with 3 small primes; I cant do that with these camera bodies. So I am not interested. Canon and Nikon have failed to sell their bloated mirrorless offerings (the annual figures are out) and I dont see Panasonic selling either. I will stick with APS and MFT. Fantastic review as usual BTW ;-)
Hi Vici thanks for watching and feedback. APS-C and MFT cameras definitely have advantages when it comes to size. This camera I believe was designed for the pro Photographers in mind. That’s not saying you or others out there shooting with smaller cameras aren’t pro, but it’s built to hold up in various situations like the D5’s 1DX ‘s etc. For me I was able to put size aside because the image quality is so good, but for others size will be a deciding factor which I respect. It’s about what works for the person individually.
@@TECH360TV Hmmmm its cost cutting; they do it because they can. Points out the size of a Hasselblad X1D with a compact AF lens; also points at the price. If we want to be absurd, points out a Leica M10 with 50mm f0.95 Noctilux; that lens sets the bar high and only has 7 elements and it drips with microtones. Cutting size and keeping image quality isnt cheap, its expensive especially when you have to harden components for Pro use. But, its worth doing. No the overall image quality of these L mount lenses isnt breathtaking; I can even see it in your video, I can see the deadening effect of too much glass. These lenses arent jack of all trades, they are optimised for the situations that most Pros will use; sharp edge to edge, contrasty and very flat field; emphasis on bokeh. They dont bother to make the image come alive in depth because shot wide open the depth is a couple of inches and there is nothing to make live. To make fast lenses with a wide range of image quality down to hyperfocal performance costs Summilux-M or Zeiss prices. Really my point is, we arent being given the choice and until we are I wont be interested. I dont demand expensive glass but, I do demand high quality lenses with less than 10 elements and will sacrifice aperture to get it. Sony gets this, Canon, Nikon and Panasonic dont, Olympus is worst by a mile and Leica damn well aught to, they make the best compact lenses in the world. Sorry my interest isnt just photographic, as well as taking hyperfocal street photos, I am a scientist and therefore lens design and lens properties matter to me just as much. I hate this trend of increasing some performance parameters at the expense of compactness and general image quality ;-)
With failed, overpriced & laughable two lenses @ F4.0. Just buy the S1r and use it with medium or 35mm format manual lenses by using the proper ATG Gold lens adapter.
A lot of babble about grossly overpriced lenses, and at the end: oh , by the way, the continuous auto focus sucks. Death from defocus is not the future.
@@rumporridge1 Using the Lumix S5 for the last few months. Auto focus is improved and the video is awesome. The S5 would be a winner with no auto focus. Also have Sony A7III and Olympus systems.
Mirrorless basically removes the mirror/pentaprism and reduces the flange distance. The body size can be a lot smaller but you then lose space for heat dissipation, ergonomics, battery space and ports etc. Same with lens, they may have OIS, weather sealing and other features. The S1/R is a high specification body. I wouldn't be surprised if Panasonic introduce alternative bodies with L-mount in different sizes and features. If you are happy to accept the IQ from smaller sensors then you can choose MFT/APSC bodies.
@EnricoTurco-xy7jk I have this camera with the battery grip. 24-70mm f/2.8 and 50mm f/1.4. Had the 70-200 f/4 but found a lot of focus breathing. Hope to get the f/2.8 version, but it's long & heavy.
99% perfect review. Diplomatic, watchable and helpful. The 1% pain is seeing lenses sitting on stone. 😣
They were there only for the shot but were well protected at all times :)
@@TECH360TV Thank you. Life can go on ! 🤓
Best camera reviewer on UA-cam in my opinion. Very succinct delivery, a charismatic host, and stunning imagery shot by a quality photographer. Keep up the great work guys and keep this format!
Jamiya Wilson thank you!! We love what we do and your kind words are really appreciated by our team here.
Great review, I really enjoyed it and it sums up how I feel about my S1R,24-105 combo with the S 50mm f1.4 Pro. It is a very satisfying experience, in reference to my Sony A7R3.
I was a Sony shooter for 10 years and my last camera was the A7R3 with the 85gm, 24gm and the 50mm1.4 za, and it was a great combination and the output with these lens combination is amazing.
However, when I got my S1R with the 24-105 F4 that output from that combination was simply heaven, more so then with my A7R3. And then when I got the S 50mm F1.4 Pro, the S1R really shined and I was very, very content with the kit lens. And let me tell you, I AM NOT A ZOOM LENS TYPE OF GUY, NEVER HAVE BEEN, the kit lens changed my mind.
I sold all of my Sony gear and it one of the best decisions I have made. The User experience alone is worth it, IMO. I love Sony and I think them for their innovation into the ML market, but S1R simply stole my heart.
The AF is better on the Sony, but I don't need very quick AF for my shooting style. I am 99.9% still life and landscape and portraits. And I only shoot in good to ok light and never shoot past 3200, (I shot with 6400 and beyond and the S1R does excel, but I try to keep it low)which is why I went with S1R and not the S1, just a better fit. And I shot 16:9 ratio so 7.3mb of resoultion is automatically taken away, which is still plenty of resoultion for me.
Yes, the price is steep but it is worth it, IMO. The A7R3 is a fantastic camera at a cheaper price point and a little better AF, but the User Experience simply wasn't there for me and if you could put a dollar amount on the User Experience, I think the price would be cheaper for the S1R. And the output and the rendering from the S1R combo it is leica- ish, seriously. If price isn't issue I would wholeheartedly recommend the S1R or if you are a hybrid video/stills and don't demand a lot of resoultion the the S1 is worth it.
I hope my comments helped someone who is on the fence between the AR73 and S1R or the S1 and A7III. If it wasn't for the autofocus I would give the S1R 5/5 but as of now I give it a solid 4.5/5. And just for the record I gave my A7R3 a 4/5 because it to had focusing issues, though it may be a bit better with the new Firmware.
Thanks for reading.
Thank you for watching and your well thought out comment, especially from. SONY user. We agree with you on many of your points.
The S1R surprised us in a lot of great ways and became one of our favourite full frame systems on the market.
Like you said this isn’t taking anything away from Sony, which makes great cameras and lenses, but we also really like what the S1R brings to the table.
Thanks once again!
This is the only camera that made me switch from Canon. Best camera I've had
@mcsey2k1 I've already liked your comment a year ago, as well as this video. But I did have the hopes up to stay with m43 and my already high end Panasonic gear. The S line was on my list already when they announced it as I love the Panasonic bodies and the Panasonic Leica lenses but I never switched. Much thanks to this review from tech360 and your mini review/comment here I pulled the trigger on an almost new (900 shutter counts) S1R + 24-105 F4 at about 60% of the price of the new kit. Thanks for writing your thoughts and experiences :)
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Maybe the best Panasonic Lumix S1R camera reviews I've seen. Thank you!
I finally got my hands on one at B&H here in New York. Yup, feels pretty much like your average DSLR. Great grip. Built like a tank! But I'm so happy that someone did a shoot that also focuses on how well the lenses work with the body as well. I just haven't seen a review as good as yours about this. Absolutely fantastic!
There was one reviewer of the Panasonic 50mm f/1.4 and he was actually a bit giddy about the lens. He couldn't stop talking about how great it was! The people-oriented shots taken in this video are quite fantastic. And the previous shots taken I've seen were done with the S1. Not the S1R. And there is a difference. The Leica lens does seem to have similar characteristics to an MF system...
I'm firmly in the m43 camp and love the quality I get from it. However, I 'thought' I would always get a MF camera for those bigger and expensive shoots I want to do... The image quality and 'look' of MF is absolutely beautiful. Even a 7-year old MF camera gets as good if not better quality than the best DSLR out there. Heck, look on DXO mark and you'll see that at least in the portrait score, a 10-year old Phase One camera still holds the top spot. Which for fashion, portrait and possibly landscapes, is exactly what you want. But they are big, expensive and mostly for studio work. It's 2x the money for a 'refurbished' Phase One system than a new S1R with a LEICA lens... Yes, a Leica....
I tell ya... When 2020 rolls around.. This camera can be a tough one for me to turn down.
Hi Ricardo thank you so much for your kind words. We were fortunate to have the support of all three companies here in SG to be able to show examples of the respective lenses.
Yes the Panasonic 50 1.4 is a fantastic lens. Only when you put it next to the Leica lens do you see how good Panasonic’s version is.
Yes the Leica lenses can give you that MF look. To me they are comparable to the Otus but with autofocus.
I do have to say though is that MF is MF and the tones and dynamic range you will get will exceed that of full frame currently.
Having said that, if your shoots don’t require that level of detail and DR, you will be more than happy with the S1R.
@@TECH360TV "I do have to say though is that MF is MF and the tones and dynamic range you will get will exceed that of full frame currently." A real photographer who knows what they're talking about: subscribed!
This must be the best review on UA-cam with a comprehensive review of Panasonic S1, Panasonic & Leica lenses, MC-21. Great job!
Thanks Travis, much appreciated!
@@TECH360TV keep up the great works. Thanks for the time and effort you put into this. I bought the S1 already and agree with your many positive and minus about the camera.
What do you think of MC-21? Is it fast for AF-S? Do you know if AF-C support will come in the future?
Travis the MC-21 I had wasn’t a production unit so the autofocus wasn’t fantastic. It worked but not that fast.
Because of the inconsistency with AF-C on the camera I stuck to single autofocus. My advice is try the adapter when it comes out and see if it works for you speed wise.
@@TECH360TV Hey Bobby and Travis! It's time for a longterm review! (including the MC-21)
Fellow Citizen working on it right now actually 😊
20% positive 80% negative comments pricing too big. What people don’t realise you can have the best camera but it won’t make you a great photographer it’s not the camera makes the person its person that makes the camera. I m not fussed about size I rock my 5d m3 yes now that’s a big size of course I like the feel if it wasn’t big I wouldn’t use it or have brought it obviously I upgrade to the 5d m4 now but 1 day btw I’m not canon fanboy lol I just love canon that’s all. what else people in the comment section complain about price “here I am laughing” why obviously top range mirror less and DSLR re costly not cheap you want the best pay the cash or go budget. Panasonic gh5 and the S1 etc.. have the best mirror less cameras in the game yes Sony give better options for all price ranges but I think so far 2019 Panasonic are smashing it
FYI loved the video v informative well detailed also including pictures and videos plus you outside giving us a review and view how a person would deal if they were with camera outside from rain sun sunset and night low light are enjoyed it you deserve more views
Thanks for watching and the support.
There will be these negative comments but many haven’t tried it before or fans of other Brand’s. Just part and parcel of tech theses days.
The first time someone ensured me to buy Panasonic S1 as my future DSLM. I will also buy the 50mm 1.4 and thanks for first experience shots with the adapter for EF lenses. Next week the S1 is mine 😊
I hope for AF improvements!!!
Congrats! You will enjoy it. There is already one firmware update out and more coming
please update how you like it
@@manilamartin1001 Got the camera but currently I am extremely busy. Today I will update the firmware and give a feedback :)
@@manilamartin1001 alright I really like the camera and the updates are pretty helpful. Hope for more updates but I like it anyway.
But I still have to wait for the 50mm 1.4 😌
The review was incredible! Please do one more with S1 and other Leica lenses, like 24-90mm or 90mm f/2.
Thanks for watching. Perhaps in the future can
Wow, the Leica Summilux SL 50mm F/1.4 looks absolutely amazing!
The only problem is that now I find myself seriously pondering if I should wait for the Summilux instead of getting the Panasonic 50.
Thank you very much for this great review!
lilstarfishdude yeah it looks good on the S1R. If you have the funds go for it, if not the 50 1.4 Lumix S Pro is 90% of the Summilux image quality wise.
Thank you very much for that additional info!
lilstarfishdude most welcome
In all Honesty... Panasonic has REALLY brought the guns to the table and they do not disappoint... i’ve been looking into sony, but Panasonic Lumix models are where it’s at
Yeah the S series is really a contender. Especially with the lenses
I'm only 20 seconds in and so far this looks like the best review on this camera todate!
Thanks for watching.
TECH360.TV thanks for sharing! You're the only ones I've seen use Lica glass and also the mc-21 adapter! Plus most the reviews are still on the pre Production model.
I had some great support from Cathay Photo, Leica Singapore and Sigma Singapore.
TECH360.TV hey question with the MC-21 adapter when shooting in 4k can you use a aps-c lens foe the Canon version to get the correct focal length? Like could I use the Laowa 9mm zero D on the S1 in 4k60 with the mc-21?
I'm excited to get the camera tomorrow. I needed a full frame with unlimited record time without an external recorder and extreme low light for events. This was the only camera that had those specs. I look forward to giving an update on my experience soon.
Congrats Bob. Enjoy the camera!!
TECH360.TV I’ll be selling my EOS R which I’ve enjoyed but which unfortunately has some major ergonomic and technical flaws. I’m hoping the new sigma adapter for EF lenses works well.
This review guy is great. Please do more camera reviews. Quite a pleasure and you made it fun to watch.
Thanks for the kind words and for watching.
Another fantastic review and very enjoyable to watch. Hope to see you do comparison videos in the future.
Thanks for watching!
I loved this review! Subscribed right now
the camera paired with the summilux is just magic! hope you guys also did the same video with the 50 s pro as well and make a side-by-side comparison...
Thanks to UA-cam for recommending your channel. You make awesome reviews!
Ivan Rivera thank you for watching!
Great review Bobby! I'll be picking your brain soon about SL / S Pro lenses.
Thanks! Sure hit me up
I bought the Angelbird AV PRO CFexpress SE Type B 512GB card and it is not recognized by the Lumix S1R camera, do you know what the problem is?
Absolutely phenomenal review. I loved the photos and overview. The camera and lenses from both Panasonic and Leica are absolutely incredible.
Thanks Bryan! Yes this was an amazing setup to play with.
Thanks for the great review. Wish you could do a combo for S1R with Leica 35mm SL APO
Thank you for the review. What I don't understand is this attempt to classify the S1 as a "hybrid stills/video" camera and the S1R as mainly for stills. I've heard this from the Panasonic marketing people and it seems to be the company line, I can allow for that. But why would you agree? From what I've read the S1, when shooting stills, has better high ISO performance (e.g. less noise) and better dynamic range. Now this is from someone who bought the S1R anyway, so I'm not just trying to feel better about my decision. Another ironic point is that I used to shoot Nikon D2H, went to M43 because I couldn't lug around that camera and telephoto lenses, but fell in love with the G9. I wanted a full frame high-res camera and despite the S1R's size I similarly fell in love with its grip, buttons, controls, etc. and decided I'd go back to the gym. :)
Thanks for watching! If a camera gets us back in the gym that’s a good thing :)
Reason I say it’s more for photographers is the megapixel size. There is also very good dynamic range to the images and while I haven’t been able to use the S1, I would have a hard time believing a 24mp sensor with smaller file size will have better DR than a larger file size image.
Also the S1 will receive the L-Log update to video where as the S1R won’t be. Also a nod by Panasonic they see it as more of a hybrid camera.
What’s interesting about the S1R was when I would show it to friends and colleagues, they would first comment how big it is, put it down then a few min later pick it up, use it for a bit and kept holding onto it. It’s one of those cameras that begs to be held. Great ergonomics and feel. Some cameras have this others don’t.
Great review and I love the style of the videos. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for your kind words. Means a lot to the team here.
Great review! Thx! I do not find out one thing: Does the lens stabilization of Leica lenses work with the Panasonic S1 cameras?
Thanks for watching. Yes they do.
TECH360.TV really??? That would be amazing!
finally! lumix & leica lens!!! = 14:17 lumix 50mm 1.4 vs leica 50mm 1.4 = 10:32
Awesome Kim thanks for watching!
Great reviews, Panasonic & Leica partnership definitely worth paying attention to. Sweet jesusss, both of the 50mm F1.4. In the market for a new camera and lens, Think I need to have another visit to my local camera store in NYC. The D5 is rockin my boat right now. But Leica always seems to of something just right, Fits my budget. My image maker right now is a Leica (Type 127) with a Summicron 35. Which is not for sale. Once again thank you for the heads up.
I'm about to order up my S1! Would the 'Sigma Art 24mm 1.4 for Leica L' work on this camera? Awesome review by the way!
Any L mount lens will work on it. That’s part of the alliance.
Great review, the only weakness I see in the size. I won't buy a camera in this size anymore, for professional use this camera is a serious alternative to Nikon/Canon and Sony. All manufacturers bid farewell to amateur photographers with a "normal" budget. But the S1R is especially attractive...
Hi Achim we were also concerned about the size but once you get it in your hand and use it, the size issue goes away.
So tempted as a companion to my SL.....
T L Leica glass works very well with it so could be a secondary camera with no issues
Thank you for the review. Earned a sub
Thanks for watching
Do you have any video on editing those photos? The color grading is awesome.
Thanks. Perhaps We will make a video on that soon.
I did a test run on the S1 and it is a heavy beast. However it’s a great camera nonetheless.
Also used the 50mm 1.4 and it is the sharpest 50mm lens I’ve ever used, and this is coming from a guy who uses Zeiss Milvus 50mm
Yes the Lumix 50 1.4 is at the Summilux level
Hey Bobby, Jose from Puerto Rico. Great review again man! I only have one question about this camera since you mentioned it in the video. When you referred to the weather sealing; could this camera with its lenses handle a heavy rain downpour?
Hi Jose, thanks for watching. They say it’s weather proof. Now I’m not sure to what extent, but I’m guessing it would be okay.
Great video, especially thank you for sharing your experience with Leica lenses. To be honest, I was holding my purchase decision for so long just to see this camera. In many aspects, this camera makes perfect sense; great IQ, great body design, unique features, best EVF. For my use-case, the autofocus is not a problem (I use AF-S and reframe technique most of the time), and it is actually faster than Sony & Nikon (haven't tried Canon Eos R). Also it provides a great upgrade path to epic Leica lenses. Furthermore, I am curious of what Sigma Foveon sensors will bring to the market.
However, after trying this camera a bit, I decided it's not for me. The weight is the deal-breaker. I am not a professional, but a hobbyist; but I want to have a good FF mirrorless to carry with me during my trips. I don't have the funds to buy or the space to carry multiple prime lenses (especially on flights). That's why the kit lens is the most important glass for me. The Panasonic S1 (1021 gr) with the kit lens (680 gr) is more than half a kilo heavier than the Nikon Z6 (675 gr) with the 24-70 f4 lens (500 gr). To be honest, that's a huge difference for me, which I could sacrifice some features over.
On another note, I was lucky enough to test all 3 Panasonic lenses. For me 24-105 & 70-200 are good lenses. But the 50mm f/1.4, oh my, that lens was amazing. Amazingly quick, impressive IQ, the nice bokeh coupled with the depth-of-field. I was highly skeptical about the price point; but when you use it, you understand why it is so expensive.
Thanks for watching. The camera’ size is definitely something that will be a deciding factor for some. I had it for approx three weeks to test it, and after a few days of continuous usage the size didn’t bother me. I also traveled with it as well. Panasonic is coming out with some very nice lenses in the future for the system you might find interesting. As for the 50, yes it’s so good we had a hard time in some of our tests seeing a difference from the Summilux. It’s there but as I said in the video it’s that good. It’s by far my favourite lens on the S1R and the lens that spend 70% of the time on the camera.
There are a lot new lenses for this L-month, like 70-200 f2.8 or 16-35 f4 or new Sigma glasses. Do you have any plan to review them on this S1R body?
I think the next L mount camera will be the SL2 I review them on as I’ve used the S1R a number of times for reviews.
I think the focal lengths being slightly different between the Lica and the Panasonic lens is how Panasonic is avoiding focus breathing for video.
Good point. Will ask them this
Im heavily considering this camera since its heavy price drop. My two issues with it are a) overpriced lenses and low selection atm and b) Im not super confident about the future of the mount especially considering the current state of the market.
Hi. I currently have this and the S1H with me for a follow up review with the new lenses.
Here is my take on it:
The camera is very good and the price drops on it make it even more appealing.
The mount will be around for a long time. Now you have Panasonic, Sigma and Leica. The Panasonic lenses are very good and if you compare them to others the prices are justified for the most part.
Leica is Leica and it’s a luxury to have one of their lenses if they fall into your Budget.
Sigma has been the saviour to the alliance in my opinion. Their new mirrorless lenses are great and at a price point that’s affordable without compromising on quality.
Additionally there are a number of third party mounts that let you use Canon glass with it as well and the performance is very good.
What hurt these cameras from the beginning was their price point. They were too high. Since then Panasonic has lowered the price and online sellers like B&H have had flash sales to move bodies at fantastic prices.
I would say go for it and invest into some Sigma Lenses.
@@TECH360TV All good points but with the Z7 im also looking at and is also on special for a couple of hundred dollars over the body only price of the S1r I get the 24-70 f4 and 50mm 1.8s thrown in for free which pretty much gets me well and truly started. There is something about that S1r though its a tough choice, even the good old D850 is in contention and tbh has some advantages over both.
I enjoy the Z7 and have another video coming out on that soon as well. That’s an attractive deal on it I have to say. I would be tempted as well. What type of photography do you do
Can you put a Sigma 150-600 on the adapter too? or the macro lenses from Sigma?
Yes you can.
Love your review ! :) It brought some hope about the lenses. I bought S1 with kit lens and would like to buy/ change to some native lenses.
Really like images from Sigma Art 40mm F/1.4. Is this Sigma MC-21 converter work well or is it not compatible with AF-C)? I've also read Auto-exposure and high precision AF in AF-S mode is achieved. Could you advice please :)
Thanks Peter for watching.
The Sigma adapter I tested was pre-production so wouldn’t be fair for me to say if it’s good or not. I can say the pre-production adapter was slower to focus than native lenses though.
Actually AF-C currently on the S1 or S1R isn’t at its best, so I didn’t really use it. I found AF-S was more than sufficient for my needs.
As far as auto exposure and high precision AF, yes it works well in AF-S.
@@TECH360TV cheers bro. I feel I need more resolution so I think I'm going upgrade to S1R. I'm shooting landscapes and children sometimes in action. Found AF-C in S1 is not always fast enough to adopt to running children. Maybe need to practise more and try different modes :). Do you think S1R would really help with image quality or just alow me to blow the size up when printing? Can't afford to buy Leica or Pro Panasonic lenses so maybe my better option is Z7 ? Better AF-C and cheaper lenses :)
Thanks for your opinion
In respect to Image quality the S1R and Z7 are pretty much on par. The only difference will be colours in my opinion.
The S1R will show more detail for sure as it’s higher megapixel and since you are shooting landscape that will come in handily.
In terms of focus, you don’t really need AF-C that much I found. Play with different modes of focusing, but I found People and face detection it locks on pretty well. Also the S1R will be faster than the Z7 with its 4K and 6k high speed shooting will help capture fast action.
Also there will be updates to the AF-C in the near future to address some of its issues.
@@peterpeterson7993 If you are tracking running kids my recommendation would be to use the "Tracking" focus selection (the 2nd one from the far left next to the people/animal one) and use continuous focus. I've found it does a great job tracking running dogs and cats and such. Also very good on people as well frankly. Don't mind if in the viewfinder things don't appear as if they are always perfectly in focus. This is perhaps one issue but you have to get past it. I found that while shooting moving subjects in continuous mode and the 6fps in the viewfinder it appeared as if there were a number of shots not nailing it. When reviewing on screen I was shocked to find 100% of the shots taken were dead on in focus. So trust the camera and yourself to keep it on the mark.
Great video, thanks.
Fantastic review.
Thanks for watching
Nice video again ! But for you s1r or x1d ?!
Thanks for watching! Two different cameras. The X1D is medium format and the image quality is definitely better, but the camera is meant for static subjects. The S1R is more versatile as I can shoot both. Just depends on one’s style of photography.
TECH360.TV can you speak a little more about the difference in image quality vs the X1D at low ISO? I have the X1D and am thinking about switching or complementing it with the SR1 due to greater lens options, faster AF/shooting, tilt LCD and better EVF. I shoot mostly handheld and while I love the X1D it does have its limitations as my main camera for different situations (I am not a pro but do sell my work).
Peter Mendelson Hi Peter thanks for the comment.
The image quality and color of the X1D is still at the top even compared to the S1R. Having said that, the S1R image quality paired with the right glass is to me some of the best images from a full frame camera system to date. The colours coming from the DNG files are very nice, pleasant skin tones etc.
As for speed yes the S1R will be much faster than the X1D so for those shoots you need that versatility you will have it with this camera.
I would say though that if you can keep the X1D and add the S1R to your workflow you will have a great 1,2 combination.
If you would like to see some raw files please DM me with your email address. I can send those over to you to see and compare.
I’ll have to try this camera myself everything has been silent since initial reviews...
Check out our Sigma L mount lens review and the Voigtlander 75mm M mount lens review. We feature the S1R in those videos
You are the best merci beaucoup 🙏
Merci.
Weather's been so cloudy and rainy in sg for the week :( sucks when you wanna go shoot but it starts pouring
Yes it’s been terrible. Hopefully improves for the weekend
Sigma!!! Where are all these L-mount lenses?!?! :) I will gladly buy S1 but I need lenses :) apart from overpiced stuff like 50mm f/1.4 Panaleica :)
There are a number of lenses out there but the pricing will prob be best with Sigma. The 50 1.4 is competitive for the quality it produces.
I know that 50mm Panaleica is great but THE PRICE.! :) Still.. I think Sigma 50mm ART series will be pretty good too. Probably no visible difference in quality (unless you go pixel-peeping).
5 years later and I own an s1r and use the sigma 40mm 1.4 and 28mm 1.4 hsm lenses. Yea big and heavy is the 40, but it’s an L mount lens and works fine for the slower work I do. That lens is astonishing to this day. I don’t find the camera heavy even with grip attached but some lenses I own are over a kilo. Still works well for me, not a fan of small fiddly cameras. Image quality is my concern and this works well for serious money savings over newer gear.
Really great review. What a handsome chap!
Thanks for watching
Really good review! How is the lowlight performance in comparison to sony?
theporschetypeofguy 21 Low light is equal to and sometimes better than the Sony.
So much like the SL but made by Panasonic and less than half of the cost and much more features . Is this one leica SL mkii ? I sold my SL and 3 sl Lenses as they too heavy for me but now i want to buy this camera but the weight made me think again .......unless i use this camera with my leica M lenses just like did with my SL .
You should do a long term review of the S1R !
Coming
@@TECH360TV looking forward to it . Your reviews are amongst the best !
Thank you. Much appreciated
Great Review, many thx, but to be honest with you...it was a pain to see these lenses just on the floor. My first thought: imagined these amazing lenses all scratched...please don't do that again :)
Hahaha all lenses were in mint condition and stayed that way after the shoot. All was good with them, but thanks for watching.
S1R or SL2? What u think...?
tough one :)
Here are my SL2 pros:
Build Quality
Design
Color Science
Better Video spec
Fantastic Menu system
Slightly better Image quality
Cons:
Two SD Card slots (Buffering issues at high frame rate
Screen doesn't articulate
Battery life
Not compatible with many third party flash systems
if something goes wrong will take a longer time to repair.
S1R Pros:
Less Expensive
XQD card slot (Now compatible with CF Express) and SD card slot
Full touch interface
more customisable buttons if you prefer
Timely updates vs Leica
Compatible with Flash systems like Profoto etc.
Articulating screen
Cons:
Menu system isn't as intuitive
Build Quality while good isn't at the SL2 level
Too many buttons for some
It really comes down to what you need and prefer and of course budget. Both are fantastic cameras and both have great image quality. I found the Leica to have slightly better image quality but unless you are pixel peeping its hard to see the differences.
Same as the Leica SL?
Camera tech is updates of course on the S1R but there is some of the SL design language in it.
Can you comment about the MC21 with non-Sigma Canon lenses. Did you try it?
I tried it with the Canon 50 1.2 and it works well. I have to say though the adapter I have is not a retail unit so not fair to talk about performance completely.
TECH360.TV awesome thanks. Really liking my S1 with 24-105 but I have a lot of Canon glass that I want to use.
Phil Hover understand. The MC-21 is a good option and in time prob more adapters will be out to take advantage of EF lenses
Gracias
Nice video 😊
Thanks
great video
Thanks for watching
Panasonic cameras are underated.
Due to popularity, Canon And Nikon gets all the attention
Shihabuddin Ahmed true. I feel Panasonic can do more to push this camera out there.
Great review!
Thanks for watching!
Panasonic get it extremely well with the "S" series. Now playing with the S1 in my hands, I can say this and the S1R are for sure the best mirrorless pro bodies out there as of today. However, I'm not impressed by their 24-105 kit lens and I can say the Canon RF24-105 is a much better lens. Same for the RF50/1.2 - out of this world. So - Canon (normally) is leading from the lens quality perspective, but Panasonic has the much better body.
I'm *very* curious to know how the Leica SL lenses work on the S1/R. If they works like native lenses, then this is the route to go.
My take on this - if one can afford the Leica SL lenses (and if they work natively) on the Panasonic, this is the way to go. The Panasonic bodies are serious pro devices for sure, but I can't say the same for the f/4 zooms - not interested in these.
The image quality that these Panasonic bodies are outputting is a pure Leica (quite normally considering the sensor from the Leica Q2, which is also living in the S1R).
Poor Sony - very tough times ahead of them... Canon is beating the dust out of them with the RF lenses and now Panasonic is killing them with the bodies... ;)
Hi Alexander thanks for watching. As for the 24-105 I know what you mean, especially compare to the Canon lenses you mentioned. The 50 1.2 is a fantastic lens and one of Canons best. This is why I mainly shot with the 50 1.4 Lumix S Pro lens and the 70-200. The 50 from Panasonic is very close to the Summilux.
As far as focusing with Leica lenses it’s just like using the SL with Leica glass. No differences in speed. In fact I would say the lenses focus a bit faster on the S1R.
Overall we believe the S1R could be the future SL2 if And when Leica releases it. You can see a lot of the SL DNA in the camera and the performance enhancements being a newer camera just make it even more enticing.
Also I heard Panasonic is invested in the S Series so more lenses should be on the way in the future.
@@TECH360TV , Thanks for your swift response and for the great and faithful review.
This is what I wanted to know - how the Leica SL lenses will perform on the S1/R, because from my POV, this is the way to go at least for now. It is obvious from the moment you open the Panasonic box in your hands that this is a premium, pro body that has much of the Leica DNA inside, and especially from the color rendering perspective, which is giving the shooter a great base to start with. The EVF and the shutter are just insane, but I'm not surprised, because Panasonic really shines in electronics.
I couldn't agree more with you that what's inside the S1R could be more or less what the new SL2 will be.
I'm also getting the S1R tomorrow and what I would love to see is how the new SL APO Summicrons will perform on it. Those lenses although being at f/2 are giving the same DoF as f/1.4 and there are many articles from Peter Karbe how this is achieved. And the fantastic S1R really deserves some top-notch lenses welded to its mount.
We are living in a very exciting times, see how things are changing - if only a few years back someone told me that I would really love & enjoy a Panasonic body, I would be smiling.
Now after they laid a very solid base, they need to keep pushing on the lens side - this system needs some really decent primes and most important ones are still 35, 50 and 85mm. And while they are having great 50 prime, we are yet to see any confirmation on the 35 and 85 side.
I also want to see they publish a clear lens roadmap and not just the shady statement "10 more lenses are coming by 2020".
With the above being said - to me the real competition in the high euality/premium segment is now between Canon (with the RF mount) and Panasonic (I'm not even considering Sony seriously in photography). And while Canon is having a fantastic lens roadmap and a pro body is under field testing now, I feel a need to see Panasonic is more focused on the lenses.
Thanks for reading.
Alexander Ivanoff Panasonic shares some info with me I’m not allowed to say publicly but they are working on some really cool stuff with the S Series ;)
@@TECH360TV I understand, thanks. :) Then maybe you can send me a message (this is not a public sharing of information, right), so I can be more convinced when I like the results from the tomorrow's test of the S1R, LOL. And I know I'm gonna like them... Enjoy the Sunday eve.
Alexander Ivanoff hahaha I wish I could say but you will find out in time. Just know that there will be a number if lenses from Leica, Sigma and Panasonic and this alliance is real. Enjoy the camera tomorrow ;)
Very good job, thanks for this review
Thanks for watching.
The fujifilm medium format cameras are better in low light. If I was going to go for low light boost from my MFT Panasonic camera then I would go all the way to the fujifilm medium...
I’m not like other reviewers that compare full frame to medium format. Two different sensors, different lenses and yes different performance in low light.
As to your first comment, you are looking at a compressed image on UA-cam. In full res you might think differently
I gotta say , you guys provided some of the best sample shots out of these cameras I've seen so far. So many made me gasp. Great job!
CymBan thanks for the kind words. Most of the images are taken by Bobby, unless it’s a pic of him :)
Them lens tho 😍😍😍
Yeah these lenses are impressive
this or the xt3?
Two different cameras.
Have they paid you?
No not at all
So is this mean we can get “Leica color” from this camera too?
Well the the leica lenses it comes very close ;)
thanks to you
i like leica sl 50f1.4
Me too :)
10:38 pretty sure my Panasonic GX8 with 25mm f1.4 can take a more pleasing image than that.
Lol you blert 🤣
Great review. But, 2 kg for the S1R and the 50? Yikes.
Thanks for watching. It’s a heavy setup but the images are impressive
3.51 That's what you'd call "good low light sensitivity and one of the best full frame cameras for low light, thus far"? Really. ok! I'm not convinced. Great review all in all, looks like a very nice camera.
Arthur R McPhee these Panasonic ff Cameras are supposed to be the best out there right now in low light photography
Arthur R McPhee hi Arthur, we have a number of shots that are in lower light situations, but we are selecting photos for UA-cam so we need to take in consideration compression and a variety of displays.
Thanks for watching though. Much appreciated!
Arthur R McPhee you can compare low light easily. It is easily top 3 low light performers on the market, from an objective point of view. Don’t be such a fucking curmudgeon it’s a sample picture.
Commercialized!
Sorry don’t understand your comment
@@TECH360TV You should understand what I'm talking about!
That Summilux is UG-LY. I know optically it's superb but man it looks like a cheap plastic model of an unbranded soda or can of beans!
When you are handling and carrying a $3600 body with a $5000 lens, I would think you would put the strap around your neck? You don't even own these cameras!
Great review but this is a real pet peeve of mine. I guess you never dropped a camera......it happens, so pros use the neck strap.
Thanks for watching. The main reason is I’m wearing a mic and the strap around the neck can cause sound issues if it rubs against it, or knock the mic off.
When I use cameras daily when I’m not filming, I’m always using straps.
120 to u ,100 for hot Bobby 😍, 20 for camera 📷
Great camera! Too bad all the lenses are A$$TRONOMICAL in pri$e!!
Yes they are but the quality is there
Жалко эту камеру ... На микре 3/4 матрицы Панасоника обладали гибкостью уровня Canon 5d mark 2 (у меня были все эти камеры ) - и я уверен у этого их ФФ крутая матрица, но Панасоник заведомо похоронил этого зверя сделав экран не поворотным а только наклонным. И безумно дорогой и тяжёлый полтинник добил камеру
Sorry I can’t translate your comment.
TOOO BIG!!! As a leica TL2 user with APS L mount lenses and a large bag of Nikkor, Leica and Voightlander primes adapted for M mount, plus my main workhorse system is Panasonic MFT, I should be part of the target custormer base for this camera. But, it leaves me completely cold. This is heavier than my Nikon D700 which, of all Nikkon DSLRs was most built like a tank. Well the body I could probably put up with but, the lenses are ghastly; these are a different universe to my M mount primes. I can walk about with my Nikon D700 plus 35mm f2D or 50mm f1.8D but I wont do it often. I really dont want to look like a National Geographic outside broadcast unit on the streets and my back couldnt stand the strain. Quite apart from size these lenses have too much glass; I wont buy a lens with more than 10 elements as microtones are suppressed. I think the L mount alliance has lost the plot. Leica made the M10 smaller than the M9 and the redesign was expensive; it is worth making that effort. I cant see this stuff selling. I can buy a Sony A7rmkIII with a compact body and, yes, large lenses like these but, I can also buy small compact AF lenses too (35mm f2.8, 50mm f1.8 and 85mm f1.8). I can end up with a full frame kit with 3 small primes; I cant do that with these camera bodies. So I am not interested. Canon and Nikon have failed to sell their bloated mirrorless offerings (the annual figures are out) and I dont see Panasonic selling either. I will stick with APS and MFT. Fantastic review as usual BTW ;-)
Hi Vici thanks for watching and feedback. APS-C and MFT cameras definitely have advantages when it comes to size. This camera I believe was designed for the pro Photographers in mind. That’s not saying you or others out there shooting with smaller cameras aren’t pro, but it’s built to hold up in various situations like the D5’s 1DX ‘s etc.
For me I was able to put size aside because the image quality is so good, but for others size will be a deciding factor which I respect. It’s about what works for the person individually.
@@TECH360TV Hmmmm its cost cutting; they do it because they can. Points out the size of a Hasselblad X1D with a compact AF lens; also points at the price. If we want to be absurd, points out a Leica M10 with 50mm f0.95 Noctilux; that lens sets the bar high and only has 7 elements and it drips with microtones. Cutting size and keeping image quality isnt cheap, its expensive especially when you have to harden components for Pro use. But, its worth doing. No the overall image quality of these L mount lenses isnt breathtaking; I can even see it in your video, I can see the deadening effect of too much glass. These lenses arent jack of all trades, they are optimised for the situations that most Pros will use; sharp edge to edge, contrasty and very flat field; emphasis on bokeh. They dont bother to make the image come alive in depth because shot wide open the depth is a couple of inches and there is nothing to make live. To make fast lenses with a wide range of image quality down to hyperfocal performance costs Summilux-M or Zeiss prices. Really my point is, we arent being given the choice and until we are I wont be interested. I dont demand expensive glass but, I do demand high quality lenses with less than 10 elements and will sacrifice aperture to get it. Sony gets this, Canon, Nikon and Panasonic dont, Olympus is worst by a mile and Leica damn well aught to, they make the best compact lenses in the world. Sorry my interest isnt just photographic, as well as taking hyperfocal street photos, I am a scientist and therefore lens design and lens properties matter to me just as much. I hate this trend of increasing some performance parameters at the expense of compactness and general image quality ;-)
With failed, overpriced & laughable two lenses @ F4.0.
Just buy the S1r and use it with medium or 35mm format manual lenses by using the proper ATG Gold lens adapter.
this man is hot!
thats all expensive
Yes it was an expensive setup to film with and carry :)
Those lenses are overcorrected
Lóránt Mályinkó no
costy
A lot of babble about grossly overpriced lenses, and at the end: oh , by the way, the continuous auto focus sucks. Death from defocus is not the future.
Just curious what do you shoot with.
@@rumporridge1 Using the Lumix S5 for the last few months. Auto focus is improved and the video is awesome. The S5 would be a winner with no auto focus. Also have Sony A7III and Olympus systems.
@@indyvin thanks bro. Was thinking of getting a used S1R as a backup/tandem to my SL2. Never looked at Panasonic till now. Appreciate the feedback.
why would i listen to a hippy?
oversized and overpriced for a mirrorless camera imho
Try it before judging it. It’s actually quite impressive
Mirrorless basically removes the mirror/pentaprism and reduces the flange distance. The body size can be a lot smaller but you then lose space for heat dissipation, ergonomics, battery space and ports etc. Same with lens, they may have OIS, weather sealing and other features. The S1/R is a high specification body. I wouldn't be surprised if Panasonic introduce alternative bodies with L-mount in different sizes and features. If you are happy to accept the IQ from smaller sensors then you can choose MFT/APSC bodies.
@@charliejolly6022 it may be good but the trade-off between this and A7 3rd gen just doesn't make sense
@EnricoTurco-xy7jk
I have this camera with the battery grip. 24-70mm f/2.8 and 50mm f/1.4. Had the 70-200 f/4 but found a lot of focus breathing. Hope to get the f/2.8 version, but it's long & heavy.