Referee and TMO work together for 2 yellow card decisions. [Munster vs Dragons '19]
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2019
- Ben Blain and TMO Andrew McMenemy had some interesting discussions and worked together to try and get the most balanced decisions using video reviews.
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![Tertius Kruger sent off for awkward AF shoulder hit. [Ulster vs Kings '19]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/hzkOt7T6K60/mqdefault.jpg)
![TMO Ian Davis calls up Nigel Owens for an obstruction charge. [Cardiff vs Ospreys '19]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/tetQy2JBJHQ/mqdefault.jpg)
I really wish FIFA would just use that video asa copy for their refereeing. The transparency of the decision making, the respectful behaviour towards the referee by the players...
the problem is that not enough refs in football use their yellows for dissent which you can do when they get 6 guys arguing around them.
@@hominid3528 I always found it ridiculous when that happened players who do that should be carded and fined
It wouldn’t stop the systematic encouragement of cheating in soccer
Good video. It highlights the symbiotic relationship and communication between the officials but the on field referee whilst making the final decision is open to advice.
The problem is the TMO directly influences referees decesion. Referee might say it's not severe and the TMO says I will show it to you again. The referee then has to go with TMO as referee is then solely responsible.
@@tomasflatharta I wouldn't say he directly influenced the decision, I would say he offered a different view which then allowed the on field official to make a more informed decision. I know that sounds a bit fluffy but a slightly different perspective can entirely change what you see.
2nd tackle is around the neck and only there, not only is it a neck tackle he is twisting the neck.
Only reason it doesn't look bad is because the tackled player goes down easily, as I would with 90kg hanging on my neck.
Joost Mehrtens that is a shoulder charge and high
1st should of been a red as although it was shoulder to shoulder his right fist hit the guys jaw so for me that would of been a red
Unfortunate shot of #15, the dirt on his shorts, makes it look like he's shat himself.
I don't think it's dirt but advertisement or something.
I maybe disagree with the second yellow card, personally I think it could have been red, attacker goes in low and if the intial tackle was all it was, then a penalty is harsh but the neck roll that then follows is very dangerous and high risk, as a doctor I see all sorts of neck injuries and the roll ones are still very dangerous even if not high impact. Happy for people to disagree though and prove me wrong
It's a difficult one. I think the act itself is a red card but I think its mitigated by the angle of the attacker. In my opinion a safe tackle is 60/40 responsibility on the defender and attacker. If you're going to run into contact dangerously then its partly your fault.
@@VespiansGrace yeah as a ref I would agree
He didn’t crank his neck that bad tone fair, his other arm wrapped under the body trying to strip the ball, then he rolled him.
Still a penalty, yellow card fine but maybe even that was harsh.
I didn't see anything wrong with the initial tackle. If the tackler had tried to go low it would probably have been a head to head contact and a red card.
The neck roll warranted a yellow because there wasn't much force used.
Lucky Hibbard. He was getting red until the TMO gave a more balanced view
If you have to look at video to see if it is red then it almost always isn’t a red. Red is for obvious and dangerous foul play
Great teamwork right there.
Rugby referee's are the best in the world
Second one might have been a bit harsh to be honest. From the position he was in, he couldn’t have tackled him any other way
geez, this nearly took up my entire smoko🥴
For the second one I don't think the tackle was the problem. If the tackler had gone low it would have been head to head contact and it would probably have been a red card. However I think it should have been a yellow for the neck roll so right decision for the wrong reason.
Didn't know Thor played rugby lol 😉
Fair enough.
Is Thor playing rugby
Can we borrow these refs down here in New Zealand because ours were abominable this week 14/03/21!!
Ok how bout this, if & when a play goes to the TMO. Each referee & 2 other officials,vote via Bluetooth connection from a device in their pocket. And..displayed overhead for all to see how they voted? 🤷♂️
To add, I think it would speed up the process.
Not surprising that in Commonwealth and American sport, the most respected officials ref the roughest games. Rugby and NFL officials both explain things and respect the players. Meanwhile football and NBA and MLB refs are prima donnas.
Kenapa EPL tidak memberlakukan hal seperti ini ? Banyak potensi wasit yang buruk di EPL
What do rugby's cards mean?
yellow means you spend 10 minutes off the field red means you leave the field of play for the rest of the match
@@nathan._.h
Thanks
@@nathan._.h Also, you don’t get many chances. If you get a second yellow card in a match, that equals a red card and you are sent off. It doesn’t matter what the two yellows are for either, a second yellow for any offence equals a red and off you go. Some things are so serious they get an instant red though.
@@WindInMyWings
As a matter of fact, straight reds for serious offences are more common than double yellow = red.
As long as it's not head to head, rugby will become the NFL!
The real referee god is going to strike you all down
More confused on why they are playing 30 minute halves?
They're not.
The timer is just red
Give blood,play rugby.
Don’t think the first one was a card at all. As a player, I understand it’s difficult to make a perfect tackle at speed and it looked like a completely valid hit. No head contact, shoulder in with attempt to wrap
Right arm is tucked, contact is with the right shoulder. Clear shoulder charge under the high tackle shoulder charge framework.
Neither of them were cards
WTF are Munster wearing? It looks like someone scribbled advertising all over a blackboard.
Mind you, the arse-advertising for Shannon Airport isn't any better...
You mean dragons?
For fucks sake might as well play touch. Neither tackle was bad.
When the ref is looking for a reason to give a red card…..these guys think they are the stars of the show. The TMO shouldn’t have to talk a ref out of giving a ref card
In this situation what would be wrong with saying “actually there was no contact to the head. Arms were used in the tackle and I over reacted. Scrum.”
“Would you agree?” In a professional setting is such a loaded question. Almost impossible to reply, no I don’t in front of a national audience without undermining g the person asking the question. The ref has clearly guided the TMO to award a card when I think if left to his own decision the TMO would have just awarded a penalty and a caution
It's not the TMO who awards the card, penalty or caution, they can only advise the referee on what to do. "Would you agree?" is just the referee stating their official position clearly and then offering the TMO an opportunity to clarify any details.
Terrible decision.....at worst a lousy tackle!
Rugby has lost the plot.
says the player who played nowhere near the elite level. yawn.
With hundreds of ex-professionals now looking to sue the sport's authorities. And shed loads of evidence about the dangers of head contact, World Rugby has little choice but to clamp down. If tackles are forced to become lower, the offload becomes easier, so we have both a safer and a more entertaining sport.
Second yellow card was dogshit!! Absolutely no way its a yellow
He wrapped the arm round the neck and dragged him down, clearly yellow
Will Hunnisett not true, he was already low literally put his head under the players arm... And the defender realised what position he was in in about half a second... Penalty yes yellow no
@@no9scrum neck roll, YC, you don't have to agree, but its the correct call.
Please let the ball play you guys new ref trynna show off make the game bored
id ratter the ref slows the play then some doofus who wants the ref to let the ball play while players are intentionally high tackling. Id ratter remember the face of my kids when im 60 then have too much traumas from concussions because the ref let the ball plays and allowed dangerous plays over and over again
Wouldn't you love to watch a game of rugby where the referee didn't think it was all about him? Again, wasting a lot of time with TMO referrals by watching replays over-and-over again. Nobody goes to a rugby game to watch a referee. Just get on with the game!
@thomas wyatt I'm referring to time in general. It's irritating when the game has to be continually stopped because an arrogant, self obsessed referee has to go through every granular indiscretion in the game. In years gone by refs just got on with play, but now the game is stopped over-and-over again. If you take the Wales v Wallabies game in the RWC - a great game that was ruined when the referee (Romain Poite) kept stopping the game to confer with the TMO (Ben Skeen). It was both frustrating and disappointing to see such a special sport ruined by over-officiating.
Fergus Sherrington couldn’t agree more. Of course there always has to be respect for the ref but nowadays they’re letting that power get to their heads
@Rohan Murphy Well said.
It's partly down to coaches instructing their players to 'mix-it-up' as far as the referee on the day will allow.
It's also partly down to the media for glorifying people doing bad things for the sake of notoriety.
Above all though -
the rules of the game need to act as a deterrent of dangerous/unsportsmanlike play,
NOT just a means for justification of punishment -
IF the slowing down of games can/need be eradicated for the better.
@@monuvention9022 neither of these videos represent dangerous or unsportsmanlike play
Take note Nigel Owens
Nigel is the best ref in the world bar none
Chris Somerville wtf are you talking about
What a waste of time. Not a fan of the TMO. They need to get on with the game! I would probably rather watch Rugby League. Much more exciting.
Regrettably, the League game is catching-up with the wrong aspects of Rugby Union all-too-quickly.
You’re all about TMO not being in the game until a decision goes your opponents way.
Yeah, lose a game and have your entire season wasted due to the wrong call because you needed to "get on with the game".
You can tell right away who's the bloody couch potato and never played a sport.