Carry on an empty Chamber?
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
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Thanks for this! Im so tired of seeing videos of "THIS IS THE BEST WAY"... this message is so much more beneficial.
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In my personal opinion, no matter what... this channel / your way of defining certain situations, are the best on UA-cam, when it comes to handguns. By far! Thank you (From South Africa)
Thank you sir.
Don't care how others carry as its none of my business but that time was INSANE my friend 1.57 with a rack is rock solid, Gollyyyy.
No. Because most failures are loading a round. So if it goes ok you live. If it miss feeds you die.
I always carry hot. The only way I train. There are some countries where you can’t do that legally.
@@tryagain76 Sometimes rounds are duds to! So I prefire all my rounds before hand to make sure they all work correctly.
@@tryagain76 most failures are gun, ammo, or gun operator failures so you'd better carry no gun and no ammo.... What about a sword? No loading failures there... or if you're worried about distance and caliber... what about you carry a tank, or a tank carries you to work.
Great service that is hard to find. Can I send you a box of my Defence rounds to prefire check and send back to me?
I carry with one in the pipe because South Africa. But I do train for all outcomes. I drive a lot and anytime is showtime. DA/SA.
I agree. Carry how you want and train accordingly. Know the pros and cons and live with the consequences of your decision. All good.
Everyone ought to take a stop the bleed and CPR course. Great advice.
Hey Micky I don’t care that You don’t know everything. You do know way the hell more than me. You are one of my favorite trainers. And while I might not agree with You 100% of the time gun related training and are self defense I agree with You 99.9 % of the time.
Thanks Micky
Thanks for the support James
Dude, you're absolutely on a roll! Your last few videos have been outstanding!
Hey thanks. Toss me any ideas you have
@@CarryTrainer Well, I've grown comfortable and confident in how I do it, but I'm sure lots of us have struggle finding a way to carry while driving. Can you be comfortable? Can you quickly and safely draw from your holster? And it all ties in with "Situational awareness" while driving of course. When I'm sitting at a red light and I look around, every other driver has their face buried in their phones! They'll never see trouble coming!
Would one of those fancy "Pop-up gun holders" in your vehicle be worth it?
Have you ever used one?
Keep up the good work!
As an Israeli, I emphasize the importance of always being aware of your surroundings. This situational awareness is the cornerstone of effective self-defense.
Exactly. Currently there is way too much emphasis on super fast draws and instantaneous shots. Situational awareness allows you to see a threat developing, determine it’s lethality, and time to think of a tactical solution. If you have to draw and shoot in under 2 seconds you’ve already failed
No political stuff please rave gender and religion I’d not important to decide chamber carry
The isreali method was made popular because of under trained and incompetent grunts . If you see yourself as that then you need to address that
Thanks for this. People want to oversimplify things and they like when there is only one right answer. Thanks for exploring the grey areas. Regards from South Africa
Agreed. It's the lazy way out.
Mickey always gives a lot more than technical lessons--he gives life lessons.
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I have a 380 pocket rocket and I don't load a round in the chamber until I am ready to fire. It has a very stiff slide and it can be difficult to chamber the first round. Situational awareness baby. Sight, sound and distance. If you have one hand to operate your firearm, you already let them get too close
Sad part is most who will harp on carry empty chamber don’t shoot much. If at all.
I’m sure someone can get proficient drawing like that but it will never be faster than carrying with 1 in the pipe.
It’s not about what’s “better”. It’s about the training.
Don’t spout opinions without some kind of experience.
This video needs to go absolutely viral. Thanks for keeping it real Mickey.
This is a great video. I would like to add the fact that many of us are city boys with no access to outdoor ranges and training facilities. Some of us work 40-60 hours a week and have a family. No indoor range near me will let you shoot from the holster.
I carry with empty chamber because I have kids. I don’t have extensive training other than dry firing in front of my bathroom mirror. I’m sure the vast majority of gun owners are people like me.
Having said all that, I’d rather have my gun on me with an empty chamber than no gun at all.
Same here!
With adrenaline pumping and panic you won’t have the clarity of mind to rack the slide. Especially with your limited training. Many have died because they pulled the trigger and nothing happened and they froze.
@@systematic402 Most armies don't allow Soldiers to have one in the chamber--including the US Army
@@systematic402 muscle memory comes with weekly , or monthly training. I trained with condition 3 and then we did an exercise with one-in-the-chamber and I still found myself racking
Love the honesty and integrity. Also the many many viewpoints you shared. Definitely gets ya thinking. Thanks 🙏🏻 bro
Thanks for this video. I personally carry with one in the chamber. But now I realize I was not training for the what if I did not have one in. Big eye opener for me. Thank again.
Hey Mickey, I learned a LOT from this video... I really enjoy your videos and always take a lil' something away from your videos that makes me a better man... If you come to Virginia, I'd love to take a class! See ya next time! Bravo!
Great perspective! Nice balance of thought!
"Im gonna need my other hand" voice hahahah great video fam thanks for the solid info, probably the best chamber or no chamber video ive ever seen, the fact you took the time to run thru scenarios with live fire and multiple techniques also timed, bravo , will def recommend to fam and friends 👍
Appreciate that
Great video. Let the threat level be your guide.
Excellent advice. So much more than a loaded gun. I carry everyday. G19 for about 15 years now. Small town Utah, zero crime. I do not carry with one in the chamber. Might feel differently if I were in a higher risk area, but I feel pretty good the way I run it.
Great video as always and as in Israeli, just wanted to mention that there is no law here that requires you to carry with an empty chamber, but that’s just how almost everybody carries here
Thank you. Loving the "on the range" videos
Excellent video from one of the BEST!
Well done Mick! Always you give us important stuff to actually think about and affect our behaviour. Thank you!
When I first started carrying. I didn't feel comfortable with one in the pipe. That lasted a couple of months until I spent a lot of time at the range. And felt comfortable with it and myself. I ONLY carry 1911's and double stacks 1911's. Because of the safety, Period! My draw is second nature to click the safety off. Great video as always Mickey!
That’s great!’ I’m glad to see that you can carry a 1911. I own 2 1911 pistols & I have tried to EDC them but for me they are just to heavy & bulky to me. I must say that I do prefer to carry full size pistols. I do carry my Glock G21 G4 sometimes in the Fall & Winter months.
Not going to lie. It took me a bit to get use to carrying with one in the chamber. Only after sending many rounds through them. I carry now with one in chamber. But I don’t appendix carry. 3 or 4 o’clock position
Pulls out dull knife “let me sharpen this really quick”
I'll add a couple of comments. My guess is that you shoot a lot and have practiced that draw before today. Most people that carry don't. Making that same draw with a 250 lbs thug coming at you with a knife is not the same has drawing and shooting a steel target. Since most people that carry have not been in a life or death situation, adding another task is not what I would recommend.
Any skill that you will bet your life on ought to be practiced, don't you agree?
@@CarryTrainer Certainly, but a lot of people have very busy lives. should they go unarmed? Modern double actions single action or double action only pistols are designed to carry with one in the chamber and I would be more concerned with teaching people not to put their finger on the trigger until they are ready to fire. It's hard to train dealing with extreme stress and I would try to keep things a simple as possible.
Great video my comment would be this..... I carry both ways. I work in and around Baltimore city regularly. When I carry in that area I have one in the chamber when I am working in the northern counties. More rural settings, then I carry without one in the chamber. I've even been known to pull over dump the round from the chamber. Reinserted into my magazine and get back on the road when I leave the city to work in the northern counties. Kind of a strange thing but a habit I got into doing don't know if it's good or not
I'm new to gun culture. I'm going to a PA sheriff's office this morning to apply for a carry permit. I've been gathering information for about 2 years at this point. I have yet to purchase a firearm, but am looking at a Taurus TX22 to learn to handle and to teach my wife and kids. Hoping to purchase a Sig P365X within the next 12 months. I've been enjoying your content.
Get training from a legitimate source. It will save you many headaches.
@@CarryTrainer I appreciate the advice. I live near a veteran owned shooting center.
It is one of the most honest realistic no-nonsense presentations I have seen yet. Awesome. It seemed to cover what, if, when, where, and why's 👍👍👍
Glad it was helpful
Kydex pocket holsters help the loaded chamber cause.
This is so good, thank you Mickey
The only thing that cracks me up with people is when they say you might as well not have a gun as to have one with an empty chamber. If you are at the mall and an active shooter shows up, the time it will take to put a round in the chamber is irrelevant. Not every incident requires a quick draw and immediate shots being taken.
Indeed
That's just one way it could go down.
It could be someone who opened your passenger door with a blade in hand and your wife or daughter sitting in that seat, now gramps is fiddling trying to chamber a round while sitting.
It's not going to happen. But, people can justify anything, justify their wrong approaches because they don't want to see the reality.
@@hansblitz7770 Yep, obviously. But the hyperbole and “You’re either an ‘operator’ or dead” stuff gets silly sometimes. People have different situations and lifestyles that sometimes don’t lend themselves to the exact same levels of ninja-like readiness.
Like I said, not EVERY situation requires a quick draw with immediate fire. I personally think that empty chamber carry can open you up to legal problems, too. If you’re chambered and ready to go, you can keep your gun in the holster until actually needed.
If you find yourself in a potentially dangerous scenario where you think you won’t have time to draw and rack it if you wait until the attack, you might be tempted to draw it and rack it in advance-which might make you the aggressor or get a menacing charge.
An injured hand, blood etc can get in the way of racking. Why the handycap. Nope one up and ready. 7/24.
"Operator"
My guy, they aren't having randoms walk between cars while they are all seated.
The type of attacks a civilian faces are more immediate, in your face, aggressive, disorientating, than any thing any "operator" will ever face.
I was a cop in a awful place, I got acid thrown in my face and I've been slashed with busted glass, and I was ready for something to go wrong.
You, coming out of Chik Fil Et getting punched in the face is less ready.
Guys that advocate empty chamber never been in a grown man on man fight.
Highschool don't count.
a very rational, even-handed video. thank you.
Glad it was helpful
Great video my brother...lots of useful information for a multitude of situations...Great "leave me alone " Mick..Semper Fi
This information is so needed!
Thank you for going over this.
You cannot shoot yourself on your draw with no round in the chamber. One is more likely to shoot themselves in training than be shot by a criminal unless you live in a dangerous area. Then move.
Great video, thank you!
There are pros and cons to both, any gun is better than no gun loaded or not. Many people believe “If you carry empty chambered, you will die” that’s like calling people that don’t carry “walking dead”.
@@skyblue1122 "any gun is better than no gun" - unless you're in the middle of the ocean and the gun is pulling you down when you need to swim. It's as he says, think about it, don't pay attention to made phrases, and then decide.
Great video. Well said
Beautiful. Just beautiful
This kind of discussion is what sets you apart from other trainers. I am looking forward to my next opportunity to train with you.
Was told ALWAYS prepare for Mr Murphy. DAUWM man you speak TRUTH ! GREAT video class . Excellent!
Another risk assessment. What’s your tolerable risk? What’s the likelihood and what’s the severity of the outcomes?
I wasn’t carrying hot early on because I hadn’t had enough experience and training on drawing from concealment. I was also not confident with how internal safeties functioned. The more I trained and built confidence, the more my acceptance of risk lowered. I did not want to add a failure point to my draw stroke. I became more confident that I wouldn’t touch my trigger on the draw and that risk became tolerable the more I trained. I see both sides of the coin but it’s all down to a personal risk assessment based on your level of competency, training, efficiencies, and skill.
@@averageamerican2683 exactly this.....if you can train to manipulate that extra slide movement you can train to keep your finger off the trigger. You should be training that anyway.
Safety rules say treat all guns as if they are loaded. If you are always doing that then you are doing enough....you can mitigate 99% of all gun accidents by doing 2 things. Being aware of where you are pointing the gun and keeping your finger off the trigger.
I wonder how many of the people that carry an auto unloaded also sometimes carry a revolver fully loaded and why?
A loaded SIG p226 and a loaded revolver have very similar trigger action. But one is dangerous fully loaded and one is not?
Carry with a good covered trigger guard holster, and don't have your gun out fiddling with it, keep your finger off the trigger and it will all work out.
I think it's just really up to the person and how they feel about it. I know it took my probably around 2 months to work up to carrying a round in the chamber. I just took baby steps, and 1st just got used to having my pistol on me while working around the house IWB & OWB. Then, I started carrying a round in the chamber OWB 1st, then IWB a few weeks after carrying a round in the chamber OWB. Now. I carry a round in the chamber all the time.
You say it's up to the individual person that means you understand some people are carrying afraid and unskilled and untrained. It's not a matter of carrying it any way you want to, carry it in it's most effective iteration.
There's no reason to carry an empty chamber, assuming you'll have time to rack the slide and send a round home before you begin to take fire.
Most people cannot draw from concealment in 3 seconds let alone time enough to draw, rack the slide, engage a subject before that person (who already has the drop on you) begins firing.
Cover the trigger guard and don't place your finger on the trigger until you've made the decision to shoot.
You don't drive a car intentionally with 1/10 of a tank of gas and say to yourself "I'll just get gas when I need it".
The argument of "it's up to the person" just proves the need for training...
@@cyberlycans4191 🤔.... OK, I see your point on this.
@@cyberlycans4191the only reason(s) or arguments against carrying with one in the chamber is the kiddos if you have them.
Appreciate your take, thank you. This discussion (and many others in the space) are so black and white, no nuance, no room for discussion. The same mindset will argue that carrying anything but a glock will get you killed because having a safety or DA first pull is too slow/difficult.
I also always appreciate how you bring overall health into it, an area many others in the space are quite obviously lacking/ignoring.
The thing is, I don't have to carry with an empty chamber. That split second spent racking the slide could get me killed. No thanks.
Then you have decided
Also we don’t get to choose the fight the fight chooses us … We aren’t guaranteed the use of our support hand being available to rack the slide in the first place. honestly, this is how you get killed in a violent confrontation assuming everything will align perfectly for you to have enough time to correctly rack your slide and put two shots center mass on your threat .. also what is this tap racking off your belt and your thigh? Because it’s more efficient than having around in the chamber? I hope nobody really operates like that
@@positivereactions4044 we choose a lot. Such as how we train.
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Excellent video and thank you for this!
Always one up top & I unload it when I come in the house
Another great video to make you think. Thank you for what you do.
This is some of the best instruction out there...thank you thank you thank you...
If u dont have the time to rack the slide, then shld u even b drawing ur firearm?
Yes.
Another great video Mick!
“Awareness buys you time. Time buys you options!” ASP
New sub from me!! Thanks, great vid.
As Air Force Security Forces and a CATM instructor we always carry with a round in the chamber and M18 on fire. Always
Well thus dude carried an M9 so I'd say it was before your time. Ask some pals for me please and thank you for your service.
I hate it when you ruin my absolutes with facts Mickey!!! I always keep one chambered but “what ifs” seem to happen if you watch these after action break downs. Time to add “what if” training to the routine.
I guess the important part about carrying empty chamber is this - understand why you're doing it. Or vice versa. Always introspect the reasons for your decisions to make better decisions.
And a person who chooses to carry an empty chamber is doing so for a sense of security or being untrained or uncomfortable or lying to themselves or confused about how a firearm works. Cover the trigger guard and don't place your finger on the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
Now with cameras everywhere, we can see just how unpredictable and fast attacks can happen, reality smothers the fantasy of "I will always have two hands and time to rack the slide" is just not true.
I have been watching gun training videos for over a decade. This is the best video I’ve ever watched ever ever ever. I’ll be back.
Well that's cool to hear.
Mom, mom 😅. All jokes aside thank you for the videos you bring up things I never think about. I myself carry in the chamber because I'm used to it and a bit to slow but I will practice on it.😊
Great points Mick !! Much love ✌🏻
The Bad Guy ALWAYS gets to choose the time , place and manor of their attack and it will never be when you are primed and ready to draw.
True, but you may not be the intended target/victim. We each have our own threat assessment and carry accordingly.
@@LiorIPSCI keep my condoms in the garage too...gives me time to be sure
and wait to put gas in my car until i'm already late for work, cars just explode sometimes and i may set it on fire accidentally...
then whenever I go to race a marathon, I'll wait to tie my shoes until just after the shot...just to play it safe...I work better under pressure.
i just have a different assesment
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@@LiorIPSCBut you may be the intended target.
Never is a choice. That choice is connected to awareness, another choice.
You aren't ready to protect yourself most of the day?
@@CarryTrainer The time of attack IS the bad guys choice, not the defender's.
Guys that go through life primed and ready to draw are few in number and seem a little strange, normal everyday situational awareness will suffice for most situations, hyper ready is no way to live.
I like evidence based carry decisions, and I see enough real world encounters(thanks ASP) to ever think that any unnecessary delay is smart in any way..
This video is my top videos for this topic!! Straightforward to the point, TRAIN TRAIN TRAIN!!! I have witnessed carriers that do carry one in the chamber however, have not trained sufficiently enough on their draw and presentation, and yet still have been slower than that timing. I applaud the mindset of alert awareness aligned with training under pressure.
I agree, carry in a condition appropriate for the situation
If there was ever a situation in which I had to carry without my holster (big what-if and ill advised of course), I'd probably feel more comfortable doing so without a round in the chamber so I can certainly see some value in practicing this.
Empty chamber is an absolute hard no for me
I agree with you completely
@@fdj4901I see your point but it could be trained in though. I’ve done it in pistol class. We got pretty quick in firing the pistol that way.
@gabe321 nothing wrong with supplemental training and new fundamentals..I'm up for it and I'll be starting that my next range session ...looks like this old dawg is learning new tricks...Semper Fi my bother
Excellent video and great performance! I wish more people thought this way. I carry AIWB always loaded but sometimes I go to family’s house with kids and I might be playing with them. In that circumstance, I either don’t have one chambered or take the mag out and put it in my pocket.
I need to train that one handed and rack without a dot. Never tried it with just irons.
Before I watch this I just have to say, how you train and what is safe fast and comfortable for you is all up to the shooter. P.s, pocket sand can buy you an extra second if needed lol p.s= pocket sand
Playing dirty
The history of “Condition 3” (empty chamber) carry is impotent to understand. This method of carry was first adopted by the IDF for two reasons - (1) a largely incompetent conscript force and (2) a lack of a firing pin block in their primary sidearm (initially the P35 and later their version of the CZ 75). “Condition 3” carry gained popularity in the US largely because of a misplaced veneration of the IDF and persists today because of an ignorance of its history and a misunderstanding of the safety features of modern pistols.
Our military was doing this long before the IDF existed.
I’m 68 and have heard it all. The information in this video is gold. Thank you. I suggest watching it several times to really let this sink in.
I appreciate your comment
Best motivational / instructional video to watch.. As I wash dishes to ensure my survival in the household. But seriously, growth / continuous learner mindset is usually missing in the comments section of any channel 😅
Love your channel and yes for a few years I've always had one in the chamber but then realized that every situation is different and it's all a matter a training.
this video explains the reason I stay away from most gun videos and gun training classes. Every one seems to be trying to show you how much they know. I just shoot every 2 weeks on my own. I do not carry with 1 in the camber... for MY reasons.
Thanks!
Ok
Recent video from Israel on a soldier doing Israeli carry (duh), gets attacked by a knife wielding assailant, and since he was defending himself against a knife, his support hand was disabled to the point he could not rack the slide. Ended up switching the gun to his other hand and racked it with his strong hand just barely in time to get one into the attacker, killing him. Unfortunately, he also died. Draw to shot was 9 seconds. Look up Active Self Protection, video from yesterday.
ua-cam.com/video/70-J85SAd94/v-deo.html
And he had very little training
Stupid to not carry 1 in the chamber
Says you.
How'd Mickey know about my baby pool full of Jello....
Also, Fort Liberty? Never heard of her.
☆ I AGREE WITH YOU. I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.👍
Personally I always got one in..lock n loaded
I can not beat that 1.57s even with 1 in my chamber but i'm positive i will walk away alive when a situation is presented and my adversary will not
Youre my guy!!!👍🏾
Now with cameras everywhere, we can see just how unpredictable and fast attacks can happen, reality smothers the fantasy of "I will always have two hands and time to rack the slide" is just not true.
It’s not like running on an empty stomach!
It is common practice in the military for SP’s and MP’s to carry with an empty chamber.It makes no sense,but it’s a NATO rule.Not a law but a rule.While deployed,we always had the 101’st Airborne(airmobile)protecting us on the outer perimeter and those boys were always chambered up.
How about this: Let's use this thread to come up with reasonable situations that might require you to carry without one in the chamber.
I'll start: I work in a very non-permissive environment. It's not illegal for me to carry, but I would lose my very lucrative job if anyone ever found out. It's also close quarters, with a dress code that makes carrying pretty obvious. So, to remain armed, I carry an LCP with a clipdraw in my boxers. No holster.
This is the only method I've found that is absolutely not detectable in my circumstances.
There's no way I'm going to chamber a round in a pistol with no safety that is touching my boys.
This is literally the only time I ever carry like this. Any other time it's AIWB in a Vedder Light Tuck.
This is probably the best video that you have ever made. Thank you! Long time viewer, first time commenter. Tactical Response alumni.
James taught you better than this then.
Would a cop carry with an empty chamber? NO! And you shouldn’t either.
Hmmmm I'm not sure that holds up
Well said👍
You're giving up capacity also
True
Couldn't agree more
I do both, empty when I have my kids at home, in the pipe all the time when on my person and when kids are at there mothers every other week. It all that mental practice as well.
Waist pack at the gym is an unloaded chamber for me. I don't have full confidence in trigger guard holsters.yet.
Obviously they can do whatever they want, doesnt mean carrying withan empty chamber isnt hilariously stupid lol. Like the dudes that train at the range, but never roll or learn to wrestle. If you're in a scenario where you need to use that tool, its quite likely that an attacker will be on you or very close to you. Are you going to be able to fight another man off while you pull it out, and get around that mistake of not having it loaded? What if you are injured, which is another likelihood?
woooooooosh
They don't want to think about these realities.
@@Jamoni1 You dont have a single point to make. In denial, or just lack enough intellect?
@@disco4535 I don't need to make my point. You're doing it for me.
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Now with cameras everywhere, we can see just how unpredictable and fast attacks can happen, reality smothers the fantasy of "I will always have two hands and time to rack the slide" is just not true.
Great discussion. Gotta admit, i was in the camp of "huh? Why would I do that?" Thanks for giving me some more to think about, as always.
Great Reminder💪❤ that "shit happens..." and often, when you will LEAST expect it !
You do you mate. Get really good on your first shot no matter however way you carry. It will always be a "What if" question.. lol, I just saw an ASP video where an IDF soldier gets stabbed in the neck, and fighting off the attacker has a very hard time chambering a round, while blood on his hand.......
That dude clearly was not aware, not trained and certainly not preferred and practiced. The problem with those types of videos is people make training choices based off the results an untrained person exhibited.
I'd not watch a little league game to pick up baseball tips, I'd view a major leaguer.
I saw the video too he stil had time though but the attacker was faster , his buddy shot the assailant though but after a few seconds still because he needed to chamber a round also, or was it the same video? the idf soldier was on a busy street guarding then a guy lunched it him with a knife, if its not the sane then its happening to idf soldiers frequent
the .75 seconds is obvious factor that favors being chambered. However...
NDs that happen on a chambered weapon = 100%
NDs that happen on a empty weapon = 0%
So, people can decide which is more likely...an ND? or needing that .75 seconds?
Under stress the outcome my not be the same.
You train for said stress, that's the whole point of any of this. Ever meet any high level athletes like an Olympian?
All that you do and show us, makes a lot of sense to me. I didn't realize that your mag could accidentally fall out of your gun or become ajar enough so that it won't load. I don't always have access to a gun range. But you can practice drawing with an empty gun at home. Just make sure it is empty. Thanks for the video. I've learned some things.
I don’t like how some gun aficionados say “you have to do it like me or you are WRONG”.
I do have kids at home so I like to keep them empty when off body. I’ve always been concerned about bullet setback from rechambering repeatedly.
Off body is a whole different animal
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