No matter what console you're a fan of, this is gonna be the most powerful video game console on the market, like it or not. Only the PC will be more powerful.
Kris Mayhew and then. until another xbox comes out and so on. this will only end when more and more people jumping to pc. because of this stupid Teraflop war between this 2 companies. knowing they can't compete against pc
The Shredder exactly, Ps4 owners can't get over it, you like exclusives ,buy a ps4, but the Scorpio is indeed the most powerful console ,in hardware ,only under PC.
I can't believe its 2017 and consoles don't support 1080p 60 FPS on a regular basis. Scrap the "upscaled" 4K and go with trying to achieve 60FPS along with a SSD to get rid of the god awful load times.
The whole point of Scorpio is to boost the resolution and give a sharper image. As long as fans have this in mind and not that games will look different in other ways or in scope. As all Scorpio games will have to run on the older XBO and XBOS. Then they will be fine once launch day comes. Problem is to many seam to think it will be much more then this.
it will be much more than that,if the xbox one s boost the resolution to 4k and gave it a smoother picture than i highly doubt the xbox scorpio will do the same thing and nothing else.
Like i said before 80% of Xbox owners have a 720p tv they dont care about 4k or hdr if they didn't why would they buy a 900p game over 1080p game for the same price?
+Matthew Olls go play batman arkham knight,dishonored 2 on your pc while I play uncharted 4,the last of us,bloodborn,god of war,infamous,until dawn and much more on my ps4 and then let's talk about whose peasant
John Smith Prepare to be disappointed because only a handful of games will be native 4k the same as the PRO wich also has many games now in Native 4K. In fact Microsoft is even copying the PS4 PRO Checkerboarding technique. And Bluray who cares I have Netflix instead. Happy Gaming Dude
John Smith Prepare to be disappointed because only a handful of games will be native 4k the same as the PRO wich also has many games now in Native 4K. In fact Microsoft is even copying the PS4 PRO Checkerboarding technique. And Bluray who cares I have Netflix instead. Happy Gaming Dude
H O IR i IZ O N You know what I mean lol. Anyway I have my Xbox also wich at the moment is all its usefull for because at the moment there are no games lol.
H O IR i IZ O N I am hopeful Microsoft will copy and bring some fresh new ips yh I agree Halo has got a bit stale. Gears 4 was good although them damm robots were in the game to much. But I have hope for Xbox at E3 even though I prefer my PS4 I still want to see good games from Xbox.
+Bill Cosby why would Scorpio bring you hope considering how they are managing the Xbox One? Scorpio is not a new console but an addition to the One line.
While the PS4 pro does seem like a major flop, it's real intended purpose was for PSVR. The prospect of 4k gaming I think overshadowed it's intended target.
It's fully revealed now and has 4k textures and graphics and wasn't even using it's full power or under any pressure. It's a competitor for PC now with PC ports
They make a good point though. All they're saying is they hope that it doesn't get over hyped and people's expectations exceed the actual capabilities. Will it be the most powerful system to date, yes but will it be a drastic difference worth the money or a minimal one.
Thing about IGN they literally made people think ps4 was a powerhouse at 1.84tf 8gb gddr5 but now all of a sudden want people to lower they're excitement because of 6tf 12gb gddr5 etc oh boy the butt foolery never ends
he said the white paper was freely available on microsofts developer portal (basically a private microsoft server that they give all developers working on a microsoft system access to)
hochmeisterr I mean Microsoft did say it will run games in "Native 4K" and 6 teraflops is enough power to do so and that's more than enough power to run games at 1080p 60fps
Going from 4 tflops to 6 tflops isn't "slight" by any stretch of the imagination. It is very significant. 2+ tflops is more power than a whole PS4 or Xbox One. At any rate, Microsoft is advertising it as the first "true 4K" gaming system. If it can't deliver, why would they advertise that it can and set themselves up for utter failure and lawsuits?
Theres more than Raw Graphical power need to deliver that amount of Graphical fidelity and while a Desktop RX 480 paired with a Strong i-7 CPU can deliver Native 4k 30FPS with tweaked video settings i just dont see an AMD Puma CPU delivering 60FPS anytime soon
Xbox Scorpio is the console we needed to see with this new generation. basically, the year of 2005 or 2006 when we went from Xbox to Xbox 360. The resolution changes were astonishing for its time. And I'm sure given time Xbox will succeed again like it did back then. Sony needs a more secure network and true gamers who were born before the year 1999😂
Are these guys stupid? MS has already confirmed that the Scorpio is designed to play every game at 4k 60FPS. The only way Scorpio won't live up to expectations is if games don't run at that resolution/frame rate (or if it costs a fortune)...
the girl "I think people deserve to be excited. idk" "Yeah well, I feel the backlash coming" "oh right right. dur hur." jesus this discussion was a waste of 13 minutes
The xbox is all about backwards compatibility. The reason there are upscaling guidelines is for old games that will be converted for the Scorpio AND new releases that aren't for the Scorpio/4k, it's NOT because the Scorpio can't render 4k. Do you really think Microsoft would make fun of the PS4 Pro for not being able to do native 4K and continually tout the Scorpio as the "first true 4K" system if it couldn't do 4K?
Joseph Stardust bro Xbox always had the most powerful console wtf u talking about lol the system can be the most powerful console ever but if it has no exclusives why bother with it
J Riibz Nintendo Reptile will destroy both. But then Apple Noob Saibot and Samsung Ermac come in and double team Nintendo Reptile and destroy him. Fatality!
Matt Dargis they also want something "next gen" for $399. Crazy pc can barely do 4K at 60fps and how much is a 1080 alone? Overly misinformed wondering how they hold down a job
Based on what exactly? Car salesman don't know the firing sequence of cylinders. Cable sales men dont know what dbmV or ingress is or why its important. No, people like yourself just want to talk about specs all day so you can feel comfortable about the decisions you made in gaming. Gaming has nothing to do with specs. Its unfortunate that its come to a pissing match about hardware, because now devs have to listen and sacrifice what could be great games to focus on BS. There is no coincidence that game stories are complete bullshit now.
djnes2k7 You tell'em!!! But seriously, I agree. High end mega resolutions and super specs and MODs on PCs are nice bonuses, but they don't mean as much. I'm still playing Elder Scrolls Daggerfall in it's original pixelated buggy mess without any MODs to upgrade the graphics or anything, and I'm still having fun. Gaming should be about fun not specs. But what do I know? I'm just a gamer.
one thing many are forgetting is that even if this is info is correct they can still move some of their rendering to cloud and move do a native upscale (I am just saying it is a possibility). But I don't think any console can do a native 4k with a console price. gtx1080, the 4k gpu is 700$ now.
Ashkan Faghiri that's retail price for an everyday person.. companies like Microsoft partner with companies and they buy in bulk so they get them at a cheaper price.
how much cheaper? 400$ cheaper would be still around 300$ which is more than ps4 slim now. I am just saying 4k is not possible in consoles price right now.
I don't work in retail but the ps4 pro is 400$ right now and the gpu that they are using right now is equivalent to RX 480 which can be bought around 200$. So it seems that if they want to put something like gtx1080 in the console they cant come below 1000$.
Why was it so hard for Sony and Microsoft to create a game system that could consistently produce 1080p 60fps, or even 1080p 30fps Across the board? IMO I think the majority of gamers wanted that, and it was a Unwritten rules for this generation that the systems could have achieved this consistently.
the truth of the matter is that people will always find a reason to gripe. it's bad when arguing about hardware is more engaging than playing the games.
I love how Marty puts Destin in his place. Alanah is so refreshing, really glad she at IGN!! Marty will always be a PlayStation Beyond at heart!! Beyond....
xbox will never reach playstation greatness cause a gaming console is all about exclusive games and great games come from great studios which Sony has naughty dog, guerilla games,quantic dream,sucker punch,santa Monica studios which Microsoft doesn't have
imade eddine benattou We have halo,gears,forza,and other great exclusives.What do you have that isn't just Japanese single player games that's a great exclusive?
Aploxity Uprising hahhhhh that's why ps3 outsold xbox 360 even being 3 years late from the market and we're talking about sony's creative amazing talented developers not Microsoft 's recycled garbage games from developers that are too afraid to try something new
so you'll rather a good game than a good system?there are a lot of really great games for ps4,but overall most people play games that are playable for both systems so a lot of people don't care for exclusives.a few exclusives doesn't make a console good,the consoles performance is what makes a console.you don't see PC or xbox users switching to ps4 just for one good game
The Scorpio is gonna be a frickin transformer machine that's gonna be super badass with plasma cannons and it's gonna protect your home from burglars and murderers. Oh, and it'll have RGB
The only way they can pull this off is to have something like the PC version, AND xbox one version on the same disc. Sort of like PC games that let you choose the level of graphic detail depending on your hardware. But since games are developed for the lowest common denominator; I'm guessing the scorpio version will not have that big of a difference...maybe a bump in framerate, and a higher resolution. This effectively would seperate the xbox one users as the casual folks, and the scorpio for the fanatics...the people that count pixels and framerates vs "I game when I have time" people
I honestly thought the whole purpose of the Scorpio was that it would have removable components that Microsoft would later sell that you could install and essentially upgrade it's performance to the next generation. A catch all system that will be boundless to console generations by the implication of up-gradable hardware. But so far, i haven't heard anything else on the subject and everyone is worrying about 4k. I think they did it right the first time with the xbox 360. They waited till HD was more mainstream and affordable before rolling out the X360 Elites which were 1080pi capable. Honestly, the ability to upgrade the hardware was the selling point for me, so I hope that's still true. Otherwise, I won't see a need to throw money down on this system. Maybe when 4k Tv's and monitors become more price friendly, I'll consider it. But I really just can't justify throwing down 1,200 - 1,800 on a TV and then another 400 for a gaming console just to be able to say "It's in 4k." Would be nice, sure, but not at all financially viable for me.
MS says developers may choose between 4k and 1080. I watched the video too and unsaid here is they say it is 4.5 times the xbo power - that is no mere upgrade. never the less temper expectations.
It's Me AwesomeGaming The ps4 has been globally outselling the xbox since it came out also the xbox has not been outselling the ps4 globally check your facts before you comment :P
it's not even out or announced and they make definite decision on like yea it's going to be this yes it's just this... you don't know yet just like when you talked about switch
Ok, so I have two questions regarding the Scorpio... Will it still support 4K Blu-ray?, and will there be any exclusive games? (Not released on ANY other platform?)
Scorpio should have a 4K blu ray (as the Xbox1S already does.) I'm pretty sure they're going to release their games across all windows 10 devices - that'll include Xbox1, Scorpio and PC.
OK WE GET IT, PC IS BETTER. WE DO NOT CARE. I LIKE MY PS4, THERES A BIGGER COMMUNITY AND NOT A CANCEROUS COMMUNITY WHO LIKES TO ALWAYS RANT ABOUT HOW GOOD THEIR PC IS.
***** lmao XD it doesn't my brother owns one it plays rise of tombraider 60fps at 900p and 30fps at 4k with dips and it's not even in 4k it's prerendered and only a few games play at 60fps literally like 3 i bet that shitty console can't handle bigger games like tw3 or gta 5 at 60fps the ps4 pro is shit the whole console has 4tflops thats a shit console Lmao XD one of my graphics card has 6tflops and i have 2 1070s sli so thats a total of 12flops and those are only the graphics cards alone
***** i can careless of playing ps4 tittles i never liked them ....xbox on the other hand has good titles like forza horizon 3 gears of war 4 quantum break all i can play on pc 😂😂😂 stop defending a shitty ps4 pro i bet the nintendo switch is gonna be better than that shit console
Here let me list *some* of the good exclusives for PS4 for you Upcoming: Death Stranding Crash Bandicoot Spiderman Last of us 2 Final Fantasy Nier Detroit: Become Human Days Gone God of War Uncharted Lost Legacy Released: Last of Us Uncharted Series Until Dawn infamous series Last Guardian Horizon Zero Dawn Ratchet & Clank Bloodborne Nioh All of these are extremely successful and the upcoming ones are, well sound fun and exciting.
As a Gaming PC, Vive, PS4, PSVR, XBO, and soon switch owner, i don't see a reason to own a scorpio, it doesn't bring anything new to the equation, it's not powerful enough to run along with an Oculus (8 TFP), and has no exclusives (while PS has Persona 5, Yakuza 0, Yakuza 6, Digimon Next Order, TLoU, TLoU2, 3on3,Uncharted 4, GT sports, and many more and also VR games, Nintendo has all their own IPs, Zelda, Mario, etc). I'll skip it MS, sorry, i can do better just using my PC, and considering that my XBO is not being used since a year ago, i don't even have a reason to own any xbox anymore.
The difference from 1800p upscaled to 2160p is not that big on the PS4Pro. And Scorpio is more powerful and will most likely have better antialiasing and hopefully textures if not at native 4K. I dont think most people will be disappointed with what they see on their TV. If they only stopped focusing on numbers that often mean little. :)
I feel the Scorpio is an upgrade, however that being said. Several PC gamers update things, it is the way it should be. I don't want Console generations, I want transitions. It would be awesome to see parts that you can install eventually.
I don't plan on getting it. I have a 1080p HDTV and I don't plan on changing that for many years. I still have games on my 360 that I haven't had time to play through because there are just too many good games made in these last 10 years. I'm glad the games will still be playable on the regular XB1.
They did say that about the games... But they also said repeatedly that the scorpio variants would be on average comprised of 40-60gb heavier textures than that of their basic xbox one counterparts... as well as taking advantage of dx12 features, where xbox one is stuck now at 9c extensions, despite having 10 to some extent... I think it is going to be a bit bigger than most expect. I do however agree 100% that 4k needs to be anything other than the front runner of features and concerns... The amount of the buying market who even have 4k displays capable of viewing a quality signal... And I dont mean your average Vizio crap display with a 4bit color depth at 4k... I mean a real, viable 4k display, are extremely low. There just aren't that many buyers in that market. That said, if it can run 4k at 30-60fps, it shouldn't have any issue at all hitting the mark at 1080. Also, the scorpio plays heavily into the windows 10 creativity suite, with the Lenovo, Asus, Acer, etc VR headsets that will be arriving at the same time... Which likely will have one 1080 screen per eyeball to work with, not 2k or 4k... Ultimately arriving at the conclusion again that, 4k is a moot concern.
what EXACTLY has phil done? I hear new rhetoric but that's about all phil has done. No new games, no new in house studios being bought on board. All we've had is MS go and make xbox redundant. Putting all the 1st party games means 1. they arent exclusive 2. There are better ways to play the games. This was all since phil has gotten here. No crackdown no scalebound, no dates on other mainstream titles (non are AAA). So again beside talking a very good game, what EXACTLY has phil done
I think we can achieve 8k 60fps if we used larger nm dies and more tdp but we keep going smaller less tdp but that's what holing back what we can achieve cuz we wanna be earth friendly
Why are they forcing 4K on system that do not even are able to reach native 4k... Just focus on delivering 60fps. Most people do not own a 4k display. Focus first on 60fps so everybody may have an improvement. Then, if there is any horsepower left, up the res.
I don't think xbox fans think Scorpio is the savior for MS console division, but the new direction in the importance of power over some gimmick thing like Kinect is a great and positive thing. We all know Kinect hurt Xbox Ones power and lowered it's specs a lot of hardcore fans left MS and went for Sony more hardcore console instead.
Would be full blown next gen if Scorpio gets Vega (GPU) Ryzen (CPU) but that would bump the price right up. More than likely will be a faster Jaguar (CPU) and the Polaris (GPU) which is still faster than PS4 Pro. Not sure that would make a huge difference in the games between the two consoles as the PS4 Pro uses Polaris.
Epic Facepalm moment at the far right guy at 7:05 to 7:10. I have never heard so much nonsense in all my life. He just took blind Fanboyism to the extreme. He should be ashamed. He just made a fool of himself. I apologise to all mid, and high end PC gamers who had to listen to that.
Classic Gaming I agree. Apparently a PC isn't hardware. Going by his logic - if a PC isn't hardware then neither is an Xbox or any other console for that matter.
Reasons to Buy Scorpio: 1. Better Hardware 2. Backwards Compatible for ALL Xbox one games 3. a new gen Console. (kinda) 4. More powerful than Any console, not PC! 5. will most likely have a decent price around maybe 300 or 350. 6. you dont need a 4k TV to access the features promised! *cough*Sony*cough*
Let's be real, the price is most likely going to be either around $499.99, which was the original Xbox One's launch MSRP, OR maybe even $599.99, as it's a full-blown "beyond generations" piece of machinery.
If the Xbox One didn't come with the Kinect at launch it would have been around $399 like the PS4. Which would have increased the sales by a huge margin. Then with the Xbox One s they could have made it equal to or better than the PS4 slim. Which would have made the Xbox One and PS4 have the same amount of revisions
Scorpio had better be way better visually and in performance, and they better not change controllers, also I want full 4K games for its price. Your right it's own over hype could kill it.
I believe its going to be native 4k.... heres the thing.... Why would Microsoft wait a whole year to put out something barely better than the PS4 PRO... makes no sense... And we all knew that 14nm chips were coming in 2017 when AMD announced that they were working with a big gaming company on the new chips... Switch already showed its tech... PS4 PRO is out already, and we still havent seen this 14nm chip from and big gaming company... then AMD announces RYZEN it only makes sense
In my view, this console will be a sort of hybrid next gen.. What i mean is that it will continue to run xbox one games, which will scale like they do on pc to deliver performance, just like the pro, but will also see a next gen aspect found within more windows 10 features that pair with your pc and perhaps even allows for remote - play like connect from anywhere with wifi whilst your console remains in standby.. I'm not sue if that is achievable, but what a game breaker that would be, play anywhere in the world!! ..Maybe I'm reaching too high now lol
isn't this damaging to the Scorpio? i mean knowing the specs this early, whats stopping sony from being like "oh thats what yall using?" then make something more powerful or similar
If it's not gonna be over $399 then you can't really complain about it being underpowered. How much power do you really expect for $399?... I know consoles almost always sell at a loss with the games and peripherals making up the rest of the cost, but still, console players are gonna have to accept a $499 or $599+ price point if they want something decently powerful. You can't buy a new Corvette ZR1 for $10,000....
So if all future Xbox games need to be compatible with Xbox One alongside Scorpio, what's the point for this boost in power? I don't really understand why the Scorpio was designed, and why it was marketed as a next gen beast when first revealed, if this is the case.
Highly, highly doubt the PS4 Pro will be $199 by Holiday 2017. I can see the PS4 Slim being that price, but not the Pro. Bet on $349 for Holiday and $299 Black Friday.
reminds me of my own teenage self over hyping Halo 2. Keep in mind at the time my small town was about 3 years away from high speed internet so I soley had to rely on campaign and the usual lan party
Erik Alvarez that only makes sense because if you have had high speed Internet at the time I'm sure that younger teenage self you speak of wouldn't have been just hype it was definitely everything people made it out to be.
Charles Giardina yeah, it was an unfortunate time even around Halo 3 days we didnt have a fast and stable enough connection but we got really good at playing swat and shooting a second ahead of our targets lol
It's over 4x the power of Xbox one. You think just because it plays older games it's not next gen? In the old days we only got twice the power between generations
I'm not gonna lie, I've been looking for an excuse to get an Xbox for this generation, but I haven't seen any games that get me stoked. In fact, I can't remember the name of a single game that's come out other than halo and gears. Almost all of the third party stuff comes out for my ps4 and then some with seemingly better support, and the games seem to run better. This is coming from someone who has no plans on buying a ps4 pro, but give me some exclusives to get excited about and I'd buy a Scorpio day one of release.
To be honest a gtx 1070 would be a lot better in all honesty and a i7 6700 is cheap to and affordable and you can get near enough 4k at 60fps in most games but you might have to drop the quality settings to around a mixed medium and high to achieve it and it can do ultra but the frames would be around 45 to 50fps. and if you have windows 10 you can just download the Exclusives through xbox store.
Any incentive on why someone should buy a Scorpio over a PC when a PC has all the same exclusives plus additional functionality. What else does the Scorpio bring to the table other than power. Does it have certain features that a PC doesn't? I'm not really a PC gamer, but I think the ability to upgrade later, makes a PC a better value. I also find 60 fps more enticing than 4K. Unlike Sony, would it have more options for 1080p 60 fps and 4K 30fps. It would be nice if you could choose for each game. Lastly, this is still an Xbox One. The games will still be the same and you are still limited with it being a console. I also had the same concerns for PS4 Pro and I still can't see it being worth it. Unless someone can enlighten me. I'm curious of why other people are excited about Scorpio.
Some just dont want to have to deal with a PC? Many work with one all day long and want something completely different when they want to enjoy games? Many reasons....kids is one. I have a great PC and several consoles. But after I became a father I have little time to play games and when I do I more often just turn on a console for fast single purposed gaming. As I said...many reasons. Good thing there are many choices :)
Ollie I don't want to deal with pc's. just give me a an assembled console and some games and I'm good. .nobody gets it, not everyone wants to deal with the hassle of pc's. and it's a hassle.
That is very understandable! I was thinking of that a bit myself. I think everyone has a preference as well. I actually prefer handhelds which is very uncommon. And I could see someone being tired out working on the computer all day and wanting to use a different system. I love choices!
It's an option really. Personally I'd say the PC is the best and most versatile, but also the most expensive. People are excited for the Scorpio , probably due to it being the decent tech + a 4k bluray player at a console price point.
LittleHellXIII That makes sense too. I guess for me, that would be a lot of money to shell for convenience and affordability if I already had an Xbox One. I can see people who don't have an Xbox One pick this up more.
I believe that Sony and MS had a meeting and said Sony... you take one year and put out your best console and we will hold back. This means more people will probably buy more Sony consoles. Then allow MS to put out their best console and we will get the lions share of people buying consoles at that time. So they won't complete for the same dollar! It's all about separating you from your $$
No matter what console you're a fan of, this is gonna be the most powerful video game console on the market, like it or not. Only the PC will be more powerful.
The Shredder very true , PS4 pro was just a flop
They'll play the same games also...
Kris Mayhew and then. until another xbox comes out and so on. this will only end when more and more people jumping to pc. because of this stupid Teraflop war between this 2 companies. knowing they can't compete against pc
most powerful video game console on the market with no games LOL
The Shredder exactly, Ps4 owners can't get over it, you like exclusives ,buy a ps4, but the Scorpio is indeed the most powerful console ,in hardware ,only under PC.
I can't believe its 2017 and consoles don't support 1080p 60 FPS on a regular basis. Scrap the "upscaled" 4K and go with trying to achieve 60FPS along with a SSD to get rid of the god awful load times.
"almost moderate for native 4k" HAHAHAHAHAHA
Nobudgetking native 4k? lol
PREACH!!
Nobudgetking very true! Very wise words. Stuff 4k and get everything working at 60 fps
60 fps
and someones dog randomly walks on set
PHiiLLY23 it's his dog theirs a whole story behind it
The whole point of Scorpio is to boost the resolution and give a sharper image. As long as fans have this in mind and not that games will look different in other ways or in scope. As all Scorpio games will have to run on the older XBO and XBOS. Then they will be fine once launch day comes.
Problem is to many seam to think it will be much more then this.
it will be much more than that,if the xbox one s boost the resolution to 4k and gave it a smoother picture than i highly doubt the xbox scorpio will do the same thing and nothing else.
Like i said before 80% of Xbox owners have a 720p tv they dont care about 4k or hdr
if they didn't why would they buy a 900p game over 1080p game for the same price?
west webb true I agree. that's why we should all just by PC's. these peasents
west webb what do you know?
80% of Xbox owners have a 720p tv?? Who the hell owns a 720p tv in the first place?
+Matthew Olls go play batman arkham knight,dishonored 2 on your pc while I play uncharted 4,the last of us,bloodborn,god of war,infamous,until dawn and much more on my ps4 and then let's talk about whose peasant
west webb I used to have a 720p but I ended up getting a 1080p tv
I'm looking forward to Scorpio with 4k bluray & 4k games , I'm more excited about this than PS4 pro .
John Smith Prepare to be disappointed because only a handful of games will be native 4k the same as the PRO wich also has many games now in Native 4K. In fact Microsoft is even copying the PS4 PRO Checkerboarding technique. And Bluray who cares I have Netflix instead. Happy Gaming Dude
John Smith Prepare to be disappointed because only a handful of games will be native 4k the same as the PRO wich also has many games now in Native 4K. In fact Microsoft is even copying the PS4 PRO Checkerboarding technique. And Bluray who cares I have Netflix instead. Happy Gaming Dude
H O IR i IZ O N Who cares dude I don't by a games console to watch films. I have dvd player for that.
H O IR i IZ O N You know what I mean lol. Anyway I have my Xbox also wich at the moment is all its usefull for because at the moment there are no games lol.
H O IR i IZ O N I am hopeful Microsoft will copy and bring some fresh new ips yh I agree Halo has got a bit stale. Gears 4 was good although them damm robots were in the game to much. But I have hope for Xbox at E3 even though I prefer my PS4 I still want to see good games from Xbox.
I'm hibernating until Scorpio is ready
So you're not gonna watch E3?
Joseph Stardust I'll awake from hibernation for e3 of course
Better not be a failure like the ps4 pro
HA HA HA AH OH AH AH HA HA
Ha! Still thinks its a success, better check your facts, 🐑 lmao
#smh
+Bill Cosby why would Scorpio bring you hope considering how they are managing the Xbox One? Scorpio is not a new console but an addition to the One line.
While the PS4 pro does seem like a major flop, it's real intended purpose was for PSVR. The prospect of 4k gaming I think overshadowed it's intended target.
Yes it is a failure because sony sold 2 million ps4 pros in 4 months, and for a new product that is shit.
It's fully revealed now and has 4k textures and graphics and wasn't even using it's full power or under any pressure. It's a competitor for PC now with PC ports
They make a good point though. All they're saying is they hope that it doesn't get over hyped and people's expectations exceed the actual capabilities. Will it be the most powerful system to date, yes but will it be a drastic difference worth the money or a minimal one.
Thing about IGN they literally made people think ps4 was a powerhouse at 1.84tf 8gb gddr5 but now all of a sudden want people to lower they're excitement because of 6tf 12gb gddr5 etc oh boy the butt foolery never ends
Godz-Amor I know right
he said the white paper was freely available on microsofts developer portal (basically a private microsoft server that they give all developers working on a microsoft system access to)
Is just a slightly better PS4PRO don't expect Native 4k any time soon let alone 60FPS 1080p not with such low core speeds on both CPU and GPU
hochmeisterr FINALLY, someone who makes sense 👍
hochmeisterr I mean Microsoft did say it will run games in "Native 4K" and 6 teraflops is enough power to do so and that's more than enough power to run games at 1080p 60fps
Going from 4 tflops to 6 tflops isn't "slight" by any stretch of the imagination. It is very significant. 2+ tflops is more power than a whole PS4 or Xbox One. At any rate, Microsoft is advertising it as the first "true 4K" gaming system. If it can't deliver, why would they advertise that it can and set themselves up for utter failure and lawsuits?
Theres more than Raw Graphical power need to deliver that amount of Graphical fidelity and while a Desktop RX 480 paired with a Strong i-7 CPU can deliver Native 4k 30FPS with tweaked video settings i just dont see an AMD Puma CPU delivering 60FPS anytime soon
adamaj fury x and Titan x have over 2 more teraflops than the gtx 1070... the 1070 is much better
Back in my day, we didn't care about no 4K. We played at 480i, and we was better for it.
30 year old games at 320x240 resolution, kids today don't know just how great they have it.
I just saw a 4k tv at Walmart,and I'm hooked. What have I been doing with my life. I want Call of Duty in 4k! 4k looks better than real life.
Thomas Halderman back in my day we were happy with playing tag outside.
Billy Myers what's tag??
Xbox Scorpio is the console we needed to see with this new generation. basically, the year of 2005 or 2006 when we went from Xbox to Xbox 360. The resolution changes were astonishing for its time. And I'm sure given time Xbox will succeed again like it did back then. Sony needs a more secure network and true gamers who were born before the year 1999😂
Are these guys stupid? MS has already confirmed that the Scorpio is designed to play every game at 4k 60FPS. The only way Scorpio won't live up to expectations is if games don't run at that resolution/frame rate (or if it costs a fortune)...
the girl "I think people deserve to be excited. idk"
"Yeah well, I feel the backlash coming"
"oh right right. dur hur."
jesus this discussion was a waste of 13 minutes
The xbox is all about backwards compatibility. The reason there are upscaling guidelines is for old games that will be converted for the Scorpio AND new releases that aren't for the Scorpio/4k, it's NOT because the Scorpio can't render 4k. Do you really think Microsoft would make fun of the PS4 Pro for not being able to do native 4K and continually tout the Scorpio as the "first true 4K" system if it couldn't do 4K?
adamaj Sony won 3years ago lol
Carlos Barillas Most powerful console ever, how can you argue with that?
Joseph Stardust bro Xbox always had the most powerful console wtf u talking about lol the system can be the most powerful console ever but if it has no exclusives why bother with it
Xbox scorpio vs sub zero, who will win😂😂
J Riibz sub zero
sub zero
J Riibz PS always wins.. It is God like now
Ph Ph ok. true story
J Riibz Nintendo Reptile will destroy both. But then Apple Noob Saibot and Samsung Ermac come in and double team Nintendo Reptile and destroy him.
Fatality!
It's amazing how little knowledge Ryan has about hardware considering he's been in the business reporting on Xbox for 15 years.
Matt Dargis they also want something "next gen" for $399. Crazy pc can barely do 4K at 60fps and how much is a 1080 alone? Overly misinformed wondering how they hold down a job
Matt Dargis He's a game reporter not a game technician
I know that, usually when someone has been reporting on something for 10 years, they should know a bit more on how they work.
Based on what exactly? Car salesman don't know the firing sequence of cylinders. Cable sales men dont know what dbmV or ingress is or why its important. No, people like yourself just want to talk about specs all day so you can feel comfortable about the decisions you made in gaming. Gaming has nothing to do with specs. Its unfortunate that its come to a pissing match about hardware, because now devs have to listen and sacrifice what could be great games to focus on BS. There is no coincidence that game stories are complete bullshit now.
djnes2k7 You tell'em!!!
But seriously, I agree. High end mega resolutions and super specs and MODs on PCs are nice bonuses, but they don't mean as much. I'm still playing Elder Scrolls Daggerfall in it's original pixelated buggy mess without any MODs to upgrade the graphics or anything, and I'm still having fun. Gaming should be about fun not specs. But what do I know? I'm just a gamer.
forget about 4k. all you need is 1080p and 60fps.
The Rick nah I want 1440p 60fps!
All hardware and no software
Same as the ps4 pro then.
You're hilarious. Backwards compatibility is a huge software thing my dude. Are you cracked? Look up more info buddy!
Alanah Pearce
one thing many are forgetting is that even if this is info is correct they can still move some of their rendering to cloud and move do a native upscale (I am just saying it is a possibility). But I don't think any console can do a native 4k with a console price. gtx1080, the 4k gpu is 700$ now.
Ashkan Faghiri that's retail price for an everyday person.. companies like Microsoft partner with companies and they buy in bulk so they get them at a cheaper price.
how much cheaper? 400$ cheaper would be still around 300$ which is more than ps4 slim now. I am just saying 4k is not possible in consoles price right now.
I don't work in retail but the ps4 pro is 400$ right now and the gpu that they are using right now is equivalent to RX 480 which can be bought around 200$. So it seems that if they want to put something like gtx1080 in the console they cant come below 1000$.
sony fans were bashing on xbox one about how ps4 was more powerfully back then.. now it's not about the power. just saying
Phil Spencer the only person working for a company to tell people not to preorder until they know everything.2017 is weird already xD
Why was it so hard for Sony and Microsoft to create a game system that could consistently produce 1080p 60fps, or even 1080p 30fps Across the board? IMO I think the majority of gamers wanted that, and it was a Unwritten rules for this generation that the systems could have achieved this consistently.
I'm wondering how exactly their "checkerboard" upscaling alternative works. Sony patented theirs, so it can't be too similar.
This is a mid gen refresh, it as exactly the same architecture as the pro but with higher clock speeds, that's it.
the truth of the matter is that people will always find a reason to gripe. it's bad when arguing about hardware is more engaging than playing the games.
I love how Marty puts Destin in his place. Alanah is so refreshing, really glad she at IGN!! Marty will always be a PlayStation Beyond at heart!! Beyond....
Where did the pupper come from?
It's going to be Such an intriguing year to see how MS unveils this.
xbox will never reach playstation greatness cause a gaming console is all about exclusive games and great games come from great studios which Sony has naughty dog, guerilla games,quantic dream,sucker punch,santa Monica studios which Microsoft doesn't have
imade eddine benattou dude we have Microsoft , that's all we need!!
iKxM - that's the creators dumbass
imade eddine benattou We have halo,gears,forza,and other great exclusives.What do you have that isn't just Japanese single player games that's a great exclusive?
Aploxity Uprising hahhhhh that's why ps3 outsold xbox 360 even being 3 years late from the market and we're talking about sony's creative amazing talented developers not Microsoft 's recycled garbage games from developers that are too afraid to try something new
so you'll rather a good game than a good system?there are a lot of really great games for ps4,but overall most people play games that are playable for both systems so a lot of people don't care for exclusives.a few exclusives doesn't make a console good,the consoles performance is what makes a console.you don't see PC or xbox users switching to ps4 just for one good game
The Scorpio is gonna be a frickin transformer machine that's gonna be super badass with plasma cannons and it's gonna protect your home from burglars and murderers. Oh, and it'll have RGB
Marty shutting Destin down at 7:06
The only way they can pull this off is to have something like the PC version, AND xbox one version on the same disc. Sort of like PC games that let you choose the level of graphic detail depending on your hardware. But since games are developed for the lowest common denominator; I'm guessing the scorpio version will not have that big of a difference...maybe a bump in framerate, and a higher resolution. This effectively would seperate the xbox one users as the casual folks, and the scorpio for the fanatics...the people that count pixels and framerates vs "I game when I have time" people
I honestly thought the whole purpose of the Scorpio was that it would have removable components that Microsoft would later sell that you could install and essentially upgrade it's performance to the next generation. A catch all system that will be boundless to console generations by the implication of up-gradable hardware. But so far, i haven't heard anything else on the subject and everyone is worrying about 4k. I think they did it right the first time with the xbox 360. They waited till HD was more mainstream and affordable before rolling out the X360 Elites which were 1080pi capable. Honestly, the ability to upgrade the hardware was the selling point for me, so I hope that's still true. Otherwise, I won't see a need to throw money down on this system. Maybe when 4k Tv's and monitors become more price friendly, I'll consider it. But I really just can't justify throwing down 1,200 - 1,800 on a TV and then another 400 for a gaming console just to be able to say "It's in 4k." Would be nice, sure, but not at all financially viable for me.
MS says developers may choose between 4k and 1080. I watched the video too and unsaid here is they say it is 4.5 times the xbo power - that is no mere upgrade. never the less temper expectations.
why not just set it to smash 1440p 60fps?
This year's E3 is the final stand for Xbox in the console wars, battle of the next generation. Then we'll move fourth to the battle of power.
Xbox lost the console wars already
Sordxyx no not yet. They have been still outselling PS for the past 3 months
It's Me AwesomeGaming
The ps4 has been globally outselling the xbox since it came out also the xbox has not been outselling the ps4 globally check your facts before you comment :P
Sordxyx dude I don't know where you're getting YOUR statements but. It is true search it up
+It's Me AwesomeGaming he is right ps4 is outselling xb1 lol
Its supposed to be able to run Fallout VR, so it's ridiculous to say it'll just be a faster XB1.
it's not even out or announced and they make definite decision on like yea it's going to be this yes it's just this... you don't know yet just like when you talked about switch
Ok, so I have two questions regarding the Scorpio... Will it still support 4K Blu-ray?, and will there be any exclusive games? (Not released on ANY other platform?)
Scorpio should have a 4K blu ray (as the Xbox1S already does.)
I'm pretty sure they're going to release their games across all windows 10 devices - that'll include Xbox1, Scorpio and PC.
Terje Sørensen U know eventually they are going to do Scorpio N pc only games! technology always keeps getting better!
What's the CES video that the girl said, about "Horizon" with amd and ryzen thing?
Digital Foundry didn't get their hands on any Scorpio whitepaper
OK WE GET IT, PC IS BETTER. WE DO NOT CARE. I LIKE MY PS4, THERES A BIGGER COMMUNITY AND NOT A CANCEROUS COMMUNITY WHO LIKES TO ALWAYS RANT ABOUT HOW GOOD THEIR PC IS.
my pc is better than your shit console you peasant
***** lmao XD it doesn't my brother owns one it plays rise of tombraider 60fps at 900p and 30fps at 4k with dips and it's not even in 4k it's prerendered and only a few games play at 60fps literally like 3 i bet that shitty console can't handle bigger games like tw3 or gta 5 at 60fps the ps4 pro is shit the whole console has 4tflops thats a shit console Lmao XD one of my graphics card has 6tflops and i have 2 1070s sli so thats a total of 12flops and those are only the graphics cards alone
***** i can careless of playing ps4 tittles i never liked them ....xbox on the other hand has good titles like forza horizon 3 gears of war 4 quantum break all i can play on pc 😂😂😂 stop defending a shitty ps4 pro i bet the nintendo switch is gonna be better than that shit console
Here let me list *some* of the good exclusives for PS4 for you
Upcoming:
Death Stranding
Crash Bandicoot
Spiderman
Last of us 2
Final Fantasy
Nier
Detroit: Become Human
Days Gone
God of War
Uncharted Lost Legacy
Released:
Last of Us
Uncharted Series
Until Dawn
infamous series
Last Guardian
Horizon Zero Dawn
Ratchet & Clank
Bloodborne
Nioh
All of these are extremely successful and the upcoming ones are, well sound fun and exciting.
Lol Kay final fantasy isn't a ps4 exclusive tho
So technically the scorpio GPU and CPU is basically the same as the PS4 pro. So it's the PS4 double pro
As a Gaming PC, Vive, PS4, PSVR, XBO, and soon switch owner, i don't see a reason to own a scorpio, it doesn't bring anything new to the equation, it's not powerful enough to run along with an Oculus (8 TFP), and has no exclusives (while PS has Persona 5, Yakuza 0, Yakuza 6, Digimon Next Order, TLoU, TLoU2, 3on3,Uncharted 4, GT sports, and many more and also VR games, Nintendo has all their own IPs, Zelda, Mario, etc). I'll skip it MS, sorry, i can do better just using my PC, and considering that my XBO is not being used since a year ago, i don't even have a reason to own any xbox anymore.
same here dude, but i don't own VR helmets, how is the psvr compared to the vive?
Did anyone else think the microphone shadow was a humongous sweat patch? >
Native 4K was the thing I wanted from the Scorpio. I think this is MS dropping the ball.
The difference from 1800p upscaled to 2160p is not that big on the PS4Pro. And Scorpio is more powerful and will most likely have better antialiasing and hopefully textures if not at native 4K. I dont think most people will be disappointed with what they see on their TV. If they only stopped focusing on numbers that often mean little. :)
I feel the Scorpio is an upgrade, however that being said. Several PC gamers update things, it is the way it should be. I don't want Console generations, I want transitions. It would be awesome to see parts that you can install eventually.
Excuse my Grammatical Errors in there.
Hope we find out about a price point before E3 but wish full thinking.
I don't plan on getting it. I have a 1080p HDTV and I don't plan on changing that for many years. I still have games on my 360 that I haven't had time to play through because there are just too many good games made in these last 10 years. I'm glad the games will still be playable on the regular XB1.
They did say that about the games... But they also said repeatedly that the scorpio variants would be on average comprised of 40-60gb heavier textures than that of their basic xbox one counterparts... as well as taking advantage of dx12 features, where xbox one is stuck now at 9c extensions, despite having 10 to some extent... I think it is going to be a bit bigger than most expect. I do however agree 100% that 4k needs to be anything other than the front runner of features and concerns... The amount of the buying market who even have 4k displays capable of viewing a quality signal... And I dont mean your average Vizio crap display with a 4bit color depth at 4k... I mean a real, viable 4k display, are extremely low. There just aren't that many buyers in that market. That said, if it can run 4k at 30-60fps, it shouldn't have any issue at all hitting the mark at 1080. Also, the scorpio plays heavily into the windows 10 creativity suite, with the Lenovo, Asus, Acer, etc VR headsets that will be arriving at the same time... Which likely will have one 1080 screen per eyeball to work with, not 2k or 4k... Ultimately arriving at the conclusion again that, 4k is a moot concern.
I believe that the Xbox Scorpio will be ahead of the PS4
what EXACTLY has phil done? I hear new rhetoric but that's about all phil has done. No new games, no new in house studios being bought on board. All we've had is MS go and make xbox redundant. Putting all the 1st party games means 1. they arent exclusive 2. There are better ways to play the games. This was all since phil has gotten here. No crackdown no scalebound, no dates on other mainstream titles (non are AAA). So again beside talking a very good game, what EXACTLY has phil done
I think we can achieve 8k 60fps if we used larger nm dies and more tdp but we keep going smaller less tdp but that's what holing back what we can achieve cuz we wanna be earth friendly
Published on 27 Jan 2017 this video is old check the date!!!!
Why are they forcing 4K on system that do not even are able to reach native 4k...
Just focus on delivering 60fps.
Most people do not own a 4k display.
Focus first on 60fps so everybody may have an improvement.
Then, if there is any horsepower left, up the res.
I don't think xbox fans think Scorpio is the savior for MS console division, but the new direction in the importance of power over some gimmick thing like Kinect is a great and positive thing.
We all know Kinect hurt Xbox Ones power and lowered it's specs a lot of hardcore fans left MS and went for Sony more hardcore console instead.
Would be full blown next gen if Scorpio gets Vega (GPU) Ryzen (CPU) but that would bump the price right up. More than likely will be a faster Jaguar (CPU) and the Polaris (GPU) which is still faster than PS4 Pro. Not sure that would make a huge difference in the games between the two consoles as the PS4 Pro uses Polaris.
Xbox one's not GDDR3, but DDR3. Huge difference between the two, and a mistake shouldn't be done by site like IGN.
Epic Facepalm moment at the far right guy at 7:05 to 7:10. I have never heard so much nonsense in all my life. He just took blind Fanboyism to the extreme. He should be ashamed. He just made a fool of himself. I apologise to all mid, and high end PC gamers who had to listen to that.
Classic Gaming I agree. Apparently a PC isn't hardware. Going by his logic - if a PC isn't hardware then neither is an Xbox or any other console for that matter.
Exactly. Could not have put it better myself. :)
Later this year Sony will announce its next console available two years from now which will be even more powerful and on and on we go.
Reasons to Buy Scorpio:
1. Better Hardware
2. Backwards Compatible for ALL Xbox one games
3. a new gen Console. (kinda)
4. More powerful than Any console, not PC!
5. will most likely have a decent price around maybe 300 or 350.
6. you dont need a 4k TV to access the features promised! *cough*Sony*cough*
Brendan C you must be using crack
Let's be real, the price is most likely going to be either around $499.99, which was the original Xbox One's launch MSRP, OR maybe even $599.99, as it's a full-blown "beyond generations" piece of machinery.
Brendan C The S model might be around $400 and the Scorpio probably around $600-650. #6 maybe but no guarantees.
So PS4 Pro is PS4.5, Scorpio is XBO.75?
It looks rude to me when people avoid petting a dog.. it's like ignoring a high five..
If the Xbox One didn't come with the Kinect at launch it would have been around $399 like the PS4. Which would have increased the sales by a huge margin. Then with the Xbox One s they could have made it equal to or better than the PS4 slim. Which would have made the Xbox One and PS4 have the same amount of revisions
Scorpio had better be way better visually and in performance, and they better not change controllers, also I want full 4K games for its price. Your right it's own over hype could kill it.
I believe its going to be native 4k.... heres the thing.... Why would Microsoft wait a whole year to put out something barely better than the PS4 PRO... makes no sense... And we all knew that 14nm chips were coming in 2017 when AMD announced that they were working with a big gaming company on the new chips... Switch already showed its tech... PS4 PRO is out already, and we still havent seen this 14nm chip from and big gaming company... then AMD announces RYZEN it only makes sense
In my view, this console will be a sort of hybrid next gen.. What i mean is that it will continue to run xbox one games, which will scale like they do on pc to deliver performance, just like the pro, but will also see a next gen aspect found within more windows 10 features that pair with your pc and perhaps even allows for remote - play like connect from anywhere with wifi whilst your console remains in standby.. I'm not sue if that is achievable, but what a game breaker that would be, play anywhere in the world!!
..Maybe I'm reaching too high now lol
I agree with the no mans sky bit.
All I can think of is what Sony will do about Scorpio.
Enjoy your check from xbox Ign, we all know this video is supposed to cushion the disappointment for the future. Half the video is about it lol
Personal Computers aren't hardware, you learn something everyday lol.
Yeah. They are cardboard boxes with toasters.
+Olli Laine Word
I have an xbox one now I will easily pop for a scorpio might not be next step but looks like it has its advantages
Xbox E3 2017, Just wait on it 😈😤💯
Definitely sounds like a mid cycle refresh on version 2. Version steroids
isn't this damaging to the Scorpio? i mean knowing the specs this early, whats stopping sony from being like "oh thats what yall using?" then make something more powerful or similar
If it's not gonna be over $399 then you can't really complain about it being underpowered. How much power do you really expect for $399?...
I know consoles almost always sell at a loss with the games and peripherals making up the rest of the cost, but still, console players are gonna have to accept a $499 or $599+ price point if they want something decently powerful. You can't buy a new Corvette ZR1 for $10,000....
So we just gon ignore that dog at the bottom of the table?
So if all future Xbox games need to be compatible with Xbox One alongside Scorpio, what's the point for this boost in power? I don't really understand why the Scorpio was designed, and why it was marketed as a next gen beast when first revealed, if this is the case.
Highly, highly doubt the PS4 Pro will be $199 by Holiday 2017. I can see the PS4 Slim being that price, but not the Pro. Bet on $349 for Holiday and $299 Black Friday.
scalable games like the PC sounds good to me. I think it's going to be a pretty cool system not just an overclock like the xbox S & ps Pro
reminds me of my own teenage self over hyping Halo 2. Keep in mind at the time my small town was about 3 years away from high speed internet so I soley had to rely on campaign and the usual lan party
Erik Alvarez that only makes sense because if you have had high speed Internet at the time I'm sure that younger teenage self you speak of wouldn't have been just hype it was definitely everything people made it out to be.
Charles Giardina yeah, it was an unfortunate time even around Halo 3 days we didnt have a fast and stable enough connection but we got really good at playing swat and shooting a second ahead of our targets lol
It's over 4x the power of Xbox one. You think just because it plays older games it's not next gen? In the old days we only got twice the power between generations
I'm not gonna lie, I've been looking for an excuse to get an Xbox for this generation, but I haven't seen any games that get me stoked. In fact, I can't remember the name of a single game that's come out other than halo and gears. Almost all of the third party stuff comes out for my ps4 and then some with seemingly better support, and the games seem to run better. This is coming from someone who has no plans on buying a ps4 pro, but give me some exclusives to get excited about and I'd buy a Scorpio day one of release.
Jon Kleis yeah like no mans sky, the order, Godzilla and many others...
Lauch Day - Behold! The XBox Pro Pro!
better come with 1TB+ storage
none of that 500gig nonsense
What do people expect? They said this isn't a next gen console...
I enjoy playstation, I also own xbox, I really hope xbox do a lot better for the sake of the game industry
Simon Shieh all consoles ps4/slim/pro and xbox one/s are great
Simon Shieh same I have a pro and want a Scorpio but with the games that are coming this year for Xbox I'm sadly not interested in
Simon Shieh I have both too, looking forward to scorpio
Who's dog was that
These guys are not respecting Alanah well enough, they don't even look at her.
5:07 doggo alert
To be honest a gtx 1070 would be a lot better in all honesty and a i7 6700 is cheap to and affordable and you can get near enough 4k at 60fps in most games but you might have to drop the quality settings to around a mixed medium and high to achieve it and it can do ultra but the frames would be around 45 to 50fps. and if you have windows 10 you can just download the Exclusives through xbox store.
Any incentive on why someone should buy a Scorpio over a PC when a PC has all the same exclusives plus additional functionality. What else does the Scorpio bring to the table other than power. Does it have certain features that a PC doesn't? I'm not really a PC gamer, but I think the ability to upgrade later, makes a PC a better value. I also find 60 fps more enticing than 4K. Unlike Sony, would it have more options for 1080p 60 fps and 4K 30fps. It would be nice if you could choose for each game. Lastly, this is still an Xbox One. The games will still be the same and you are still limited with it being a console. I also had the same concerns for PS4 Pro and I still can't see it being worth it. Unless someone can enlighten me. I'm curious of why other people are excited about Scorpio.
Some just dont want to have to deal with a PC? Many work with one all day long and want something completely different when they want to enjoy games? Many reasons....kids is one. I have a great PC and several consoles. But after I became a father I have little time to play games and when I do I more often just turn on a console for fast single purposed gaming. As I said...many reasons. Good thing there are many choices :)
Ollie I don't want to deal with pc's. just give me a an assembled console and some games and I'm good. .nobody gets it, not everyone wants to deal with the hassle of pc's. and it's a hassle.
That is very understandable! I was thinking of that a bit myself. I think everyone has a preference as well. I actually prefer handhelds which is very uncommon. And I could see someone being tired out working on the computer all day and wanting to use a different system. I love choices!
It's an option really. Personally I'd say the PC is the best and most versatile, but also the most expensive.
People are excited for the Scorpio , probably due to it being the decent tech + a 4k bluray player at a console price point.
LittleHellXIII That makes sense too. I guess for me, that would be a lot of money to shell for convenience and affordability if I already had an Xbox One. I can see people who don't have an Xbox One pick this up more.
I believe that Sony and MS had a meeting and said Sony... you take one year and put out your best console and we will hold back. This means more people will probably buy more Sony consoles. Then allow MS to put out their best console and we will get the lions share of people buying consoles at that time. So they won't complete for the same dollar! It's all about separating you from your $$
I just hope they have more games that interest me because that's my biggest problem with Xbox One. Also I'd rather have 1080p 60fps than 4K and 30fps.
The word they were looking for is interlaced