One thing that is super cool about hall effect keyboards for gamers is being able emulate joystick inputs with keys on your keyboard. You can walk slowly or run, depending on how hard you press a key, or have analogue control of throttle/brake in a racing game.
It's not native to all hal effect boards. It's down to software. It's the first thing wooting advertised as their selling point on their first launch. But hal effect didn't get mainstream attention until snap tap last year... Ultimately it's weird to play certain games on certain input methods. Like it's almost insane to prefer playing flight sim with kb&m. If the game is very analog input prefered then you'd get a console controller or wheel or sticks etc. If it only ever comes up 3 times in the whole game when you happen to jump in a vehicle, it just doesn't matter. The game often doesn't even support the input modulation.
We had similar technology way before Wooting with optical sensors instead of magnet sensors, but yeah... at least Hall effect doesn't get dirty, and latencies are better
@@fusion1203 same, I modded my DualShock 4 because I absolutely love it and the first thing I did was swapping the hell out of those sticks. I upgraded the battery and added a usb-c port and so on, but that was by far the biggest upgrade
@@fusion1203 DualShock 4 is the PS4 one, DualSense is the PS5 one. The optical technology was used first on keyboards, then it came hall effect with wooting. We also had hall effect sticks since the SEGA Saturn if I'm not mistaken
Holy flex batman. I would reel back when you would twist the keyboard. Currently using a Yunzii RT80: - $100 (sometimes can find discounts on Amazon or their site), - 75% - Gateron Hall Effect/Magnetic (Rapid Trigger+SOCD) - 8000Hz wired and 1000hz wireless connectivity, - uses custom QMK/VIA, web based configuration. Only con is no rotary encoder. Otherwise, it's probably my suggestion for budget HE keyboard that has all the competitive features of more expensive HE keyboards.
Just got my 80HE, i'm a CS gamer and I my movements are way smoother and sharper compared with my 10yo Corsair K70. The rapid trigger combined with 8Khz + actuation point is a BIG upgrade for snap tapping in my situation (+5k hours CS). I personally compared in game rapid trigger + 8khz on and off, and could feel the difference. HE keyboards might not be for everyone, mechanical keyboards are cheaper, maybe better for typing. But for a niche portion of high elo players in Cs and Valorant particularly, it is worth considering buying this kind of HE Keyboards.
I don't put massive amounts of hours on games like CS 2 but more into games like CoD casually and can definately feel the difference between even a last generation 1k keyboard mechanical and HE. The near instananous input and rapid trigger means I don't have to contend with dead zones and instead my active input instead. With only the limitation behind myself. Honestly if you're a gamer there's no reason not to get a hall effect keyboard considering how affordable they are these days. You can get a good one at $25-30 and they contest with the likes of Wooting in terms build and nearly there with software and performance.
Rapid Trigger has a significant impact on gameplay if you play on a very high actuation point, also if you pay for coaching in league below diamond 2 you probably got scammed ;)
I feel stating that the only goat thing about a wooting is snap tap is a little silly when it didn't even exist when the wooting was picking up steam in the pro scene. Rapid trigger, Custom activation and releases have had a significantly larger positive reaction from pro players as well as the strong software for setting indivisual keys to be more or less reactive.
I actually really enjoy ASUS ROG products (I'm currently using a ROG Harpe Ace Aim Labs Edition mouse) but I always struggle recommending them for two main reasons. The Prices and the Software. If they reduced prices for some of their higher end products and introduced a trimmed down version of their software I think they could take a big step in the right direction but until that point I'll always recommend other brands to people I know
cuz it’s meant only for gaming so you need more mouse space. if your doing anything else, or playing games that don’t require high sense/rapid trigger then use a different keyboard their better
Please review the MadLions 60HE/68HE. It's basically a Wooting replica (as so I've heard on YT atleast). People even say that it sounds better than Wooting's.
Are the switches truly proprietary? I thought they look the same as Raesha switches that you get from DrunkDeer like the A75. If so, you could at least them if needed.
I got it for $150 off of amazon last month (they put a $25 coupon on top of that $175 price), i felt like that was a decent price for the board. i can see it being a little to "gamer-y" for some people, but me growing up with (and now replacing) the k70 rgb i felt right back at home with this lol
As an osu player that plays many other fps games, HE keyboards provide basically 0 advantage in fps games. However if you play osu it is a massive advantage to have rapid trigger
i think they need to make a hall effect switch that is just more durable: less friction on copper parts, just make it all mechanical, but make it last a zillion presses + software for all those cheats. i think that should be good for transitioning to hall effect. oh, and they need to make it like cheap. gaming keyboard should be like $20 tops, it's just a pad with buttons to play games, it's just called "keyboard" because reasons, and sometimes you need to type into chat.
Specifically on the topic of “is it cheating?”. I don’t think so at all. WHY are games made to handle secondary inputs that way in the first place? Seems like they created a problem in programming that we have to solve with hardware. Like a mouse with buttons on it solving keybind issues.
Now i have only used "Gaming keyboards" but i enjoy they hall effect switches the best of what i have tried so far. I have the "Corsair K70 Max" and love it. Granted i wish i could go ham on a collection like yours to try some actual good custom ones. I tend to set buttons in games that are for example for ultimate skills to trigger at the 4mm actuation and i now extremely rarely "fat finger" those skills.
PLEASE i need to know ur opinion on mad 60/68 HE (30 dolar wooting) maybe you can do a video comparing HE keyboards wich ones are acsualy good and stuff that would be interesting since is acsualy quite a bit of theme on the market now
I don’t expect to get better but I just think the tech is cool and want to see what non gaming things I can do with this like maybe a synthesizer and for single player games I want to use it for replicating analog triggers and such.
So there is more to build quality than the materials of the case. I know people like their CNC aluminum cases. I do too. But I don't focus or obsess over that when it comes to build quality. Aluminum is remarkably cheap like about a dollar per pound. Even with CNC time it's not that "premium" of a material. The cost of injection molds is stupidly expensive. And even ABS isn't all that cheap. Next, I do not like web-based software. It is a nice to have option, but it is easy to hack and insert malicious code into it especially with a man-in-the-middle attack. I understand why some people like it. The IoT approaches like Wooting utility and VIA are inherently less secure than local software from a trusted source. What you pay for with Corsair, ASUS, Logitech, Razer, etc. is their hardware expertise. You are paying for the wireless with low latency that doesn't have connection issues that most custom keyboard companies haven't seemed to have sorted out. It's probably because their audience doesn't care. Now I don't like Hall Effect keyboards. I use my keyboard mostly for typing. When I game It's casual and more often than not I'm playing with a controller. But I often get mad at my custom keyboards on wireless. Some days it works fine and other it's a nightmare of epic proportions where the keyboard just does not want to work. It stops receiving keypresses. or it gets stuck registering the same keystroke repeatedly, etc. I never have that problem with gaming keyboards. These companies have trade offs. Custom keyboards aren't all sunshine and daisies.
I love my Nuphy Field 75HE I didn’t get it initially for competitive gaming, mainly for the looks and I didn’t know better when I bought it and realize they had a non-HE one later. So far it’s been great not sure if u did a video on any Nuphy stuff yet
My go to for an inexpensive, good starter mechanical keyboard is RK. They are the best, but if you're coming from a crappy gamer keyboard or god forbid a membrane 🤢, it will feel so much better. And not break the bank because I often see them for $50-60
hey hypio im just trying to figure out what i should get i want a keyboard with good performance that sounds somewhat decent for around 100 euros, thinking abt the atk 68v2 but i really dont know what to do
i littreally just bought this keyboard you are really under estimating it especially if you have a full asus setup so you literraly can sync everything other than that the sound is awesome
idk ive tried jade maxes and yeah they're expensive but they're on par with all other mx style switches I've tried, I'm not as far down the rabbit hole as others but for reference I've tried tangerines, morandi, tealios, ink blacks and nk creams
HE in keyboard is same as 8k polling for mice. Niche feature that is completely overkill for avg users but good way to fleece us for money nonetheless.
My stabilizers broke when I wanted to install other keycap at the spacebar what should I do ( have the same keyboard ) everything is still working fine but idk what to do if it will not anymore.
Thanks of the video. Looking for 10 keyless WASD analog switches and brown switches for the rest. do not need rgb, just a few colours to choose from for me to see keys in low light. If there is needed software it needs to be open source and Linux.
Thanks Asus for sponsoring the video that will mist likely shame them. Hopefully they will hire someday some gamers and keyboard experts to design and develop keyboards and proper software for them.
I bought the hummingbird68 HE board and my main game is geometry dash. I personally notice a difference in gd but for other things I don't feel it as much.
I agree HE keyboards are ok but vastly overhyped, and why waste money on a copy if you can buy the original, until someone make a better software than Wooting.
The only game genres where they do actually make a tangible difference is in fighting games and rhythm games... but they only make a difference at the highest levels. Pro tip, make the release slightly less sensitive for your block button.
@@QwietStorm games like Mortal Kombat, Tekken, Rivals of Aether and MVS benefit from them because you can do basically any attack no matter what your movement inputs are. If you know how to use them, the ceiling is higher. For FPS games, I played Quake and OW at a decently high level, it makes next to no difference.
@@S85B50Engine I'd much rather use a stick than a keyboard. That's way too cramped. Regardless, the added degrees of input and fine movements can be applied to way more than a couple types of games. It's tailor made for quick reflexes.
@QwietStorm that's your opinion, there's a reason some fighting games had to ban hitbox controllers (arcade sticks but with buttons instead of a directional stick). Remember that a keyboard with rapid trigger and .1mm actuation lets you change directions much faster than a stick, you also have way less dead zones than sticks as well.
What's the best gaming keyboard? Any mechanical board from 50$ to 80$, Akko is the best choice so far recently bought akko 5087 for around 35$ online, and i honestly love it
One thing that is super cool about hall effect keyboards for gamers is being able emulate joystick inputs with keys on your keyboard. You can walk slowly or run, depending on how hard you press a key, or have analogue control of throttle/brake in a racing game.
And only wooting has it and is non emulating it is basicly native
That's so true actually
It's not native to all hal effect boards. It's down to software.
It's the first thing wooting advertised as their selling point on their first launch.
But hal effect didn't get mainstream attention until snap tap last year...
Ultimately it's weird to play certain games on certain input methods. Like it's almost insane to prefer playing flight sim with kb&m. If the game is very analog input prefered then you'd get a console controller or wheel or sticks etc. If it only ever comes up 3 times in the whole game when you happen to jump in a vehicle, it just doesn't matter. The game often doesn't even support the input modulation.
Many are copying the wooting
We had similar technology way before Wooting with optical sensors instead of magnet sensors, but yeah... at least Hall effect doesn't get dirty, and latencies are better
@ I think I first saw Hall effects with controllers to prevent stick drift that was my introduction to them
@@fusion1203 same, I modded my DualShock 4 because I absolutely love it and the first thing I did was swapping the hell out of those sticks. I upgraded the battery and added a usb-c port and so on, but that was by far the biggest upgrade
@EneRec that’s rly cool, I thought duelshock had usb c already? That’s ps5 controller right?
@@fusion1203 DualShock 4 is the PS4 one, DualSense is the PS5 one. The optical technology was used first on keyboards, then it came hall effect with wooting.
We also had hall effect sticks since the SEGA Saturn if I'm not mistaken
You should try the monsgeek fun60 ultra, you can use mechanical switches and hall effect switches at ONCE
wanted to say the same thing, it looks really interesting and it uses TMR instead of HE (most expensive version one)
Just ordered a monsgeek fun60 pro can't wait for it to arrive
Keydous makes an NJ98 (and I think 80) that does this, too. Would love to see some comparisons of these boards that can do it all.
Oh hey there! Is that a new Hipyo Video?
Holy flex batman. I would reel back when you would twist the keyboard.
Currently using a Yunzii RT80:
- $100 (sometimes can find discounts on Amazon or their site),
- 75%
- Gateron Hall Effect/Magnetic (Rapid Trigger+SOCD)
- 8000Hz wired and 1000hz wireless connectivity,
- uses custom QMK/VIA, web based configuration.
Only con is no rotary encoder. Otherwise, it's probably my suggestion for budget HE keyboard that has all the competitive features of more expensive HE keyboards.
So when are we gonna tell him that geon raws and jade switches exist?
Armoury Crate
Installed this once and it just made my gaming PC very slow. More virus then useful.
asus < wooting
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Just got my 80HE, i'm a CS gamer and I my movements are way smoother and sharper compared with my 10yo Corsair K70. The rapid trigger combined with 8Khz + actuation point is a BIG upgrade for snap tapping in my situation (+5k hours CS). I personally compared in game rapid trigger + 8khz on and off, and could feel the difference. HE keyboards might not be for everyone, mechanical keyboards are cheaper, maybe better for typing. But for a niche portion of high elo players in Cs and Valorant particularly, it is worth considering buying this kind of HE Keyboards.
I don't put massive amounts of hours on games like CS 2 but more into games like CoD casually and can definately feel the difference between even a last generation 1k keyboard mechanical and HE. The near instananous input and rapid trigger means I don't have to contend with dead zones and instead my active input instead. With only the limitation behind myself.
Honestly if you're a gamer there's no reason not to get a hall effect keyboard considering how affordable they are these days. You can get a good one at $25-30 and they contest with the likes of Wooting in terms build and nearly there with software and performance.
Rapid Trigger has a significant impact on gameplay if you play on a very high actuation point, also if you pay for coaching in league below diamond 2 you probably got scammed ;)
Howdy hey Hipyo! Could you maybe review the M67 Jadestone? Switch and Click mentioned it but never made a video on it and I'm interested.
Hipyo in his "whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyy" era
I feel stating that the only goat thing about a wooting is snap tap is a little silly when it didn't even exist when the wooting was picking up steam in the pro scene. Rapid trigger, Custom activation and releases have had a significantly larger positive reaction from pro players as well as the strong software for setting indivisual keys to be more or less reactive.
Just built my first custom kb because of you, thanks so much for the inspo
I actually really enjoy ASUS ROG products (I'm currently using a ROG Harpe Ace Aim Labs Edition mouse) but I always struggle recommending them for two main reasons. The Prices and the Software.
If they reduced prices for some of their higher end products and introduced a trimmed down version of their software I think they could take a big step in the right direction but until that point I'll always recommend other brands to people I know
Why did it have to be 65 percent
cuz it’s meant only for gaming so you need more mouse space. if your doing anything else, or playing games that don’t require high sense/rapid trigger then use a different keyboard their better
Please review the MadLions 60HE/68HE. It's basically a Wooting replica (as so I've heard on YT atleast). People even say that it sounds better than Wooting's.
It does not. Wooting sounds better stock ngl
Hall effect switches are also great as analog inputs in games that can process them
That keeb sound good AF, wow
You know wooting keyboards can be creamy. Just you need right switch and keycap
"don't buy a new keyboard, buy some coaching lessons instead" is such a good take, but it hurt me a little. Good video
Can you review the keycron q1 he
It is me or all gaming companies are 2-6 years behind trends when it comes to designing their offerings?
You should review the Wobkey Rainy 75 RT pro. They're just a hall effect version of the Rainy 75 but sounds better than most hall effect keyboards.
looking forward to your budget keyboards review
Are the switches truly proprietary? I thought they look the same as Raesha switches that you get from DrunkDeer like the A75. If so, you could at least them if needed.
it sounds really nice, do you know what they changed in the switches that made them sound better? Would have been interesting
apparently nuphy has made fairly decent hall effect keyboards with their air60he and air75he, so maybe try out one of those in comparison?
I got it for $150 off of amazon last month (they put a $25 coupon on top of that $175 price), i felt like that was a decent price for the board. i can see it being a little to "gamer-y" for some people, but me growing up with (and now replacing) the k70 rgb i felt right back at home with this lol
I love this keyboard, imo just mod it with lube and I think it’s my perfect board
i bought a womier SK 75 because of your video, couldn't be happier
As an osu player that plays many other fps games, HE keyboards provide basically 0 advantage in fps games. However if you play osu it is a massive advantage to have rapid trigger
There's a reason hipyo is the biggest keyboard youtuber, he has these videos down to a science.
Also use the armory crate uninstall tool then use armory crate gear standalone app for only the keyboard
i think they need to make a hall effect switch that is just more durable: less friction on copper parts, just make it all mechanical, but make it last a zillion presses + software for all those cheats. i think that should be good for transitioning to hall effect. oh, and they need to make it like cheap. gaming keyboard should be like $20 tops, it's just a pad with buttons to play games, it's just called "keyboard" because reasons, and sometimes you need to type into chat.
To have good he keyboard you need competent programmers which chinnese boards do not have
Hey Hipyo! Any plans on reviewing the Logitech Pro X TKL Rapid?
i look at that price tag then recall i paid $16cad for a royal kludge s98.
Can you review steelseries keyboard?
5:45 cut too much of pre video
I think the tray thingie supposed to be a dust cover for the keyboard.
Hipyo can you review the batknight BK75?
Specifically on the topic of “is it cheating?”. I don’t think so at all. WHY are games made to handle secondary inputs that way in the first place? Seems like they created a problem in programming that we have to solve with hardware. Like a mouse with buttons on it solving keybind issues.
Now i have only used "Gaming keyboards" but i enjoy they hall effect switches the best of what i have tried so far. I have the "Corsair K70 Max" and love it. Granted i wish i could go ham on a collection like yours to try some actual good custom ones.
I tend to set buttons in games that are for example for ultimate skills to trigger at the 4mm actuation and i now extremely rarely "fat finger" those skills.
PLEASE i need to know ur opinion on mad 60/68 HE (30 dolar wooting) maybe you can do a video comparing HE keyboards wich ones are acsualy good and stuff that would be interesting since is acsualy quite a bit of theme on the market now
can you review the Nuphy Halo 65 HE?
You should try the Akko wooden mu02 and compare it with the other wooden wood keyboard you have
How can you call it a gaming keyboard when it doesnt have f keys?
I don’t expect to get better but I just think the tech is cool and want to see what non gaming things I can do with this like maybe a synthesizer and for single player games I want to use it for replicating analog triggers and such.
What's next? 8k polling mice gonna get the ban? 🤣
Non of this is really ground breaking. Theres so many rapid trigger and hall effect keyboard nowaday. The new selling point is 8000 polling
Optimums thumbnail designer work for you now? 😂
Can u try the madlions mad 60/68 HE?
So there is more to build quality than the materials of the case. I know people like their CNC aluminum cases. I do too. But I don't focus or obsess over that when it comes to build quality. Aluminum is remarkably cheap like about a dollar per pound. Even with CNC time it's not that "premium" of a material. The cost of injection molds is stupidly expensive. And even ABS isn't all that cheap. Next, I do not like web-based software. It is a nice to have option, but it is easy to hack and insert malicious code into it especially with a man-in-the-middle attack. I understand why some people like it. The IoT approaches like Wooting utility and VIA are inherently less secure than local software from a trusted source. What you pay for with Corsair, ASUS, Logitech, Razer, etc. is their hardware expertise. You are paying for the wireless with low latency that doesn't have connection issues that most custom keyboard companies haven't seemed to have sorted out. It's probably because their audience doesn't care. Now I don't like Hall Effect keyboards. I use my keyboard mostly for typing. When I game It's casual and more often than not I'm playing with a controller. But I often get mad at my custom keyboards on wireless. Some days it works fine and other it's a nightmare of epic proportions where the keyboard just does not want to work. It stops receiving keypresses. or it gets stuck registering the same keystroke repeatedly, etc. I never have that problem with gaming keyboards. These companies have trade offs. Custom keyboards aren't all sunshine and daisies.
I love my Nuphy Field 75HE I didn’t get it initially for competitive gaming, mainly for the looks and I didn’t know better when I bought it and realize they had a non-HE one later. So far it’s been great not sure if u did a video on any Nuphy stuff yet
My go to for an inexpensive, good starter mechanical keyboard is RK. They are the best, but if you're coming from a crappy gamer keyboard or god forbid a membrane 🤢, it will feel so much better. And not break the bank because I often see them for $50-60
the wink TT
wooting still better
hey hypio im just trying to figure out what i should get
i want a keyboard with good performance that sounds somewhat decent for around 100 euros, thinking abt the atk 68v2 but i really dont know what to do
i littreally just bought this keyboard you are really under estimating it especially if you have a full asus setup so you literraly can sync everything other than that the sound is awesome
idk ive tried jade maxes and yeah they're expensive but they're on par with all other mx style switches I've tried, I'm not as far down the rabbit hole as others but for reference I've tried tangerines, morandi, tealios, ink blacks and nk creams
HE in keyboard is same as 8k polling for mice. Niche feature that is completely overkill for avg users but good way to fleece us for money nonetheless.
My stabilizers broke when I wanted to install other keycap at the spacebar what should I do ( have the same keyboard ) everything is still working fine but idk what to do if it will not anymore.
You should try the yunzii b75 pro, my actual keyboard
welp too late cause i just bought hall effect keyboard few days ago and cant cancel it, but on the bright side it is cheap for only 32 usd
Finally a new video , love it!
you should review the magger68he Pro, thats a good 150$ HE board with a full aluminium case
10mins w video I might buy
i find the floating keys look so cheap and just bad.
The UA-cam-Cheating-meta needs to stop.
Thanks of the video.
Looking for 10 keyless WASD analog switches and brown switches for the rest. do not need rgb, just a few colours to choose from for me to see keys in low light.
If there is needed software it needs to be open source and Linux.
Thanks Asus for sponsoring the video that will mist likely shame them.
Hopefully they will hire someday some gamers and keyboard experts to design and develop keyboards and proper software for them.
i am watching this on a rog falchion ace hfx, and i love it the switches and sounds are amazing and i didn't have any problems with it
ASUS not A-Zeus
What about the steelseries apex pro
it's ass please do not get this keyboard
The best keyboard is the one most on sale.
I bought the hummingbird68 HE board and my main game is geometry dash. I personally notice a difference in gd but for other things I don't feel it as much.
65% is a big downgrade.
better than my azoth? not in this dimension😤
hello hipyo
logitech, step your game up
I agree HE keyboards are ok but vastly overhyped, and why waste money on a copy if you can buy the original, until someone make a better software than Wooting.
imagine take off swiches from this asus and give them to the some wood or metal keyboard
and pcb ofc
I won't buy any more Asus products until they debloat/eliminate Armory Crate
I have it. Its awesome. Its not that deep
watching this video while using my chattery wooting but i belong to the 1% of people who kinda like the sound
howdy hey! It’s hipyo!
I love the blatant statement you put that this is indeed and in fact cheating. Thank you for the truth bearers like me.
Me not belive you claims hipo tech!! 1!1!1! Me buy woting me get instantly 0.193 more precise while playing stardew valley!!!
I think my soon-to-arrive Nuphy Field75 HE will be better...
$200! It's at least $100 to expensive. But I'm not a gamer so HE is not for me anyway.
Can I have that keyboard
please try putting standard raesha switches inside this kb
The only game genres where they do actually make a tangible difference is in fighting games and rhythm games... but they only make a difference at the highest levels.
Pro tip, make the release slightly less sensitive for your block button.
The only genres? Fighting games? On a keyboard? Not shooters and fast paced action games?
they are just more consistent overall no matter the genre
@@QwietStorm games like Mortal Kombat, Tekken, Rivals of Aether and MVS benefit from them because you can do basically any attack no matter what your movement inputs are.
If you know how to use them, the ceiling is higher.
For FPS games, I played Quake and OW at a decently high level, it makes next to no difference.
@@S85B50Engine I'd much rather use a stick than a keyboard. That's way too cramped. Regardless, the added degrees of input and fine movements can be applied to way more than a couple types of games. It's tailor made for quick reflexes.
@QwietStorm that's your opinion, there's a reason some fighting games had to ban hitbox controllers (arcade sticks but with buttons instead of a directional stick).
Remember that a keyboard with rapid trigger and .1mm actuation lets you change directions much faster than a stick, you also have way less dead zones than sticks as well.
Get a venom
U really need to work in your desk area, its really messy and uncomfortable 😅 clean the desk Hipyo , i cant focus on the video ┐( ∵ )┌
Amogis
RIOT IS FIRST
Not this trash again
Why is asus so bad at aesthetics?
nice
What's the best gaming keyboard?
Any mechanical board from 50$ to 80$, Akko is the best choice so far
recently bought akko 5087 for around 35$ online, and i honestly love it