Storing the wilderness is also super easy for me when I take my salty out. I don't use the front bungies so flip the cart upside down, slide the rails under the bungies, and I am good to go. Loving the frequency of your uploads. :)
Great vid review and tips, love all your content. I purchased the Wilderness cart and very happy with it. Had the new Boonedox but decided against drilling as Hobie told me that kills their hull warranty. Also after 1 a year of use, a friend's kayak cracked 6" on each side and his install had HDPE plastic backing plates too! Upon returning their product, Boonedox charged me a 25% restock fee....and I paid freight of $70 round trip too! Boonedox will not list nor tell you that installing their product voids all manufacture's hull warranties.
Wife and I both have Wilderness heavy-duty carts for our autopilot 120s we were thinking of going to The Boondocks for the same reason you spoke of in the video and that is you have to lift it up to get the car underneath when you're coming out of the water that's the hardest part thanks for the video we're still undecided on getting the Boondocks
You will need someone who is very handy and understands stress points to install the boondox correctly or you will destroy your kayaks. Also never transport the kayaks with the landing gear in the upwards position. The vibration will crack the aluminum holders. And never store the kayaks with the landing gear in use.
I currently have a Native Sidekick wheel system on my Slayer Propel now. I used it last year but I could never keep the brackets tight in my track system. They would loosen up constantly making it practically useless. So this year I am taking it off and using a regular strap cart.
Would you mind doing a video on how you attach the wilderness cart when coming off of the water after fishing? That's one of the things I struggle with. I usually will take my battery and motor out to lighten my AP120 on the boat ramp, then load the kayak on the cart, and put my motor and battery back on which can be a pain. Also, do you have any suggestions when dealing with long, steep, boat ramps? I cartop and thought about driving the car down the ramp and unloading but I'm paranoid my kayak will slide off my roof rack after unstrapping it. Pulling the kayak up a super long steep ramp is freaking tiring haha. Thanks in advance!
Following! I have a tough time getting a cart under my old town 120 when coming out to water on a steep ramp which is what I have living in the Ozark’s. Thanks!
Wilderness is an excellent cart. I've used it a couple of years now with no issue. I'm switching to Boonedox because of health issues and issues loading he yak after fishing.
I installed the Boonedock system on my autopilot and it was sweet. But it eventually tore the spot where connected. I had to re plastic weld and then fiberglass the torn spot. But it made the drop from my truck to the launch effortless..
With the boondox you just swap wheel assembly sides to have the wheels centered in the kayak. Nothing beats putting your landing gear on in the water and walking straight to the vehicle while people are fumbling around on the boat launch with carts and backing up trailers…lol
I got your cart coming in 2 days and I already figured in the water is the best way to install cart easily question please do you take the cart with you in the kayak?
Haha yeah that’s what I was thinking. I have a feelfree with the “wheel in the kneel” which is great on hard surface but becomes a 100 lb anchor in sand or mud. Thank you!
As soon as you drill holes to install the Boonedox you void the kayak warrantee. Also the install on a Hobie is difficult [I'm sticking with my original Hobie wheels for my PA14] Great video!
@@FishinCharlieit’s super hard to use scupper wheels when your yak is fully loaded. This is a problem when launching from boat docks when you can’t just unload your whole yak into your car without pissing off a whole line of people
How about a video of you loading your kayak on to the cart in the water would be very helpful to back up your claim. Seems like that's going to be very difficult. I will agree that balancing the load would be much easier to haul down to the ramp and back up.
I think I’m gonna get the boondox landing gear because I tried the wilderness and when trying to load a fully loaded kayak onto the wilderness…it’s sooooo heavy. I can’t get my kayak on top of the wilderness, can’t lift it over the cart. How do some of you do it?
If you're using the high setting and adjust the bars they fit perfectly into the odd shaped Native Titan hull. I cannot speak for other Natives, but this is the perfect solution for the Titan. My son's and I have three of them and have been through every "quality" cart and wheel type - this is the one.
I agree with your hundred percent! I had a Hobie PA14, fully loaded and had the heavy duty, Boondock landing gear. It was dreadful trying to handle down steep hills and in the sand without the special tires. My 14 foot old town is a breeze with the wilderness cart.
I can do the same thing. I load my kayak directly from my vehicle onto the cart and push the cart underneath at the ramp. I never pick up my kayak either plus I get the benefit of proper cart placement.
LOL you can only do that if the water is deep enough and there is no mud. Try that on a rustic river launch where the water is only 10 inches deep for 15 feet, believe me you will curse the landing gear 😂
@@spiltmilt I agree all your other points are valid. I thinking of installing one but mine will be mounted near the middle and I like the idea of having the wheels always with the yak. Still not fully committed still giving it thought.
It's been non-stop wind for days. Even with external mics and windscreens I've had to push down the treble to make it tolerable. Hopefully the spring winds taper off for a while.
Actually I have a very easy method of doing this which I will show in a video on the Old Town channel. Be sure and subscribe to not miss out. Its easier than landing gear and you don't end up with the wheels in the wrong place permanently or have to void your warranty.
LOL, if the water is shallow you have to lift each side of the kayak and let one side lean with landing gear. If you add a kick stand you cab slide the kayak on the cart like a trailer if the water is deep enough. In the long term a cart is a way better choice but the key is to get one that fits the hull.
Storing the wilderness is also super easy for me when I take my salty out. I don't use the front bungies so flip the cart upside down, slide the rails under the bungies, and I am good to go.
Loving the frequency of your uploads. :)
Great vid review and tips, love all your content. I purchased the Wilderness cart and very happy with it. Had the new Boonedox but decided against drilling as Hobie told me that kills their hull warranty. Also after 1 a year of use, a friend's kayak cracked 6" on each side and his install had HDPE plastic backing plates too! Upon returning their product, Boonedox charged me a 25% restock fee....and I paid freight of $70 round trip too! Boonedox will not list nor tell you that installing their product voids all manufacture's hull warranties.
I have the Wilderness, you can’t beat it! I’ve probably hauled my Big Fish 120 over 5 miles with it.
Had both! Hands down Boonedox wins on the Pro Angler!!!
Wilderness systems here. I was worried that the Boonedox would pull out of my haul if I had too much weight.
Wife and I both have Wilderness heavy-duty carts for our autopilot 120s we were thinking of going to The Boondocks for the same reason you spoke of in the video and that is you have to lift it up to get the car underneath when you're coming out of the water that's the hardest part thanks for the video we're still undecided on getting the Boondocks
If you add a strap to the wilderness cart it makes it a lot easier to get it underneath while still in water.
You will need someone who is very handy and understands stress points to install the boondox correctly or you will destroy your kayaks. Also never transport the kayaks with the landing gear in the upwards position. The vibration will crack the aluminum holders. And never store the kayaks with the landing gear in use.
Buddy this thumbnail is off the charts 😂 I already have so much respect for you but this just doubled it
Memes are man's greatest invention. 😂
I currently have a Native Sidekick wheel system on my Slayer Propel now. I used it last year but I could never keep the brackets tight in my track system. They would loosen up constantly making it practically useless. So this year I am taking it off and using a regular strap cart.
Would you mind doing a video on how you attach the wilderness cart when coming off of the water after fishing? That's one of the things I struggle with. I usually will take my battery and motor out to lighten my AP120 on the boat ramp, then load the kayak on the cart, and put my motor and battery back on which can be a pain.
Also, do you have any suggestions when dealing with long, steep, boat ramps? I cartop and thought about driving the car down the ramp and unloading but I'm paranoid my kayak will slide off my roof rack after unstrapping it. Pulling the kayak up a super long steep ramp is freaking tiring haha. Thanks in advance!
Will do
Following! I have a tough time getting a cart under my old town 120 when coming out to water on a steep ramp which is what I have living in the Ozark’s. Thanks!
I use the trsp fishing kayak cart from pelican, super sturdy and got it for $50
Wilderness is an excellent cart. I've used it a couple of years now with no issue. I'm switching to Boonedox because of health issues and issues loading he yak after fishing.
I put the Boonedox on my NU pursuit a few years ago and sold it shortly after. I’d never put it on another one
I installed the Boonedock system on my autopilot and it was sweet. But it eventually tore the spot where connected. I had to re plastic weld and then fiberglass the torn spot. But it made the drop from my truck to the launch effortless..
I think your comment kind of proves my point
With the boondox you just swap wheel assembly sides to have the wheels centered in the kayak. Nothing beats putting your landing gear on in the water and walking straight to the vehicle while people are fumbling around on the boat launch with carts and backing up trailers…lol
I don’t fumble. Just slide it underneath the kayak at the ramp while its in the water and walk up the ramp. Takes no time at all
LOL that doesn't work because the legs don't store properly on opposite sides...
I got your cart coming in 2 days and I already figured in the water is the best way to install cart easily question please do you take the cart with you in the kayak?
No I leave it in the car
Lol, the stray chicken at the end makes the whole video!
Camera hogs
Great video, as always. Have you used the beach tire cart? Would you recommend one or the other?
I use both. Hard tires don't work on sand but sand tires work on pavement if you catch my drift.
Haha yeah that’s what I was thinking. I have a feelfree with the “wheel in the kneel” which is great on hard surface but becomes a 100 lb anchor in sand or mud.
Thank you!
Thanks for the video. Do you walk your cart back to your car after you launch or do you take it apart and put it in the hull somewhere?
I stash it back in the car
I wondered the same.
back in the vehicle. saves extra 13-lbs in the yak on the water.
As soon as you drill holes to install the Boonedox you void the kayak warrantee. Also the install on a Hobie is difficult [I'm sticking with my original Hobie wheels for my PA14] Great video!
they have rail mounted ones poopooguy
Why would you even think about getting boonedox for hobie when hobie has their own proprietary cart poopooguy?
@@FishinCharlieit’s super hard to use scupper wheels when your yak is fully loaded. This is a problem when launching from boat docks when you can’t just unload your whole yak into your car without pissing off a whole line of people
How about a video of you loading your kayak on to the cart in the water would be very helpful to back up your claim. Seems like that's going to be very difficult. I will agree that balancing the load would be much easier to haul down to the ramp and back up.
Here ya go ua-cam.com/video/GLCKzsxc8Tg/v-deo.html
I also believe it’s superior. Ketch is nice but for the price it’s a fast pass. Boonedox will crack that hull on a 132 trust me!
Yeah of they could shave $200 and 15 lbs off the Ketch it will compete.
Very good points!
I think I’m gonna get the boondox landing gear because I tried the wilderness and when trying to load a fully loaded kayak onto the wilderness…it’s sooooo heavy. I can’t get my kayak on top of the wilderness, can’t lift it over the cart. How do some of you do it?
I added a kickstand to mine otherwise it's to high.
Love the wilderness cart but it doesn't work good at all on most Native Kayaks. I tried it just doesn't work 😕
Yeah Native has some odd hull designs that make carts difficult to use. I wonder if that was by design.
@@spiltmilt LOL I have wondered that myself 😀😁
I use it on the native falcon 11 works great on that one have hauled it 1 mile with a strap.
If you're using the high setting and adjust the bars they fit perfectly into the odd shaped Native Titan hull. I cannot speak for other Natives, but this is the perfect solution for the Titan. My son's and I have three of them and have been through every "quality" cart and wheel type - this is the one.
@@greekspeare9526 I found on the slayer max center channels are too close together. I did find a outstanding solution though
I agree with your hundred percent! I had a Hobie PA14, fully loaded and had the heavy duty, Boondock landing gear. It was dreadful trying to handle down steep hills and in the sand without the special tires. My 14 foot old town is a breeze with the wilderness cart.
Boone dox is for me because I can take the kayak to the water till it float and never drag it or pick it up
I can do the same thing. I load my kayak directly from my vehicle onto the cart and push the cart underneath at the ramp. I never pick up my kayak either plus I get the benefit of proper cart placement.
LOL you can only do that if the water is deep enough and there is no mud. Try that on a rustic river launch where the water is only 10 inches deep for 15 feet, believe me you will curse the landing gear 😂
Native Kayak's sidekick is only $250.00. So minimal cost difference.
Still all the other short comings of landing gear
@@spiltmilt I agree all your other points are valid. I thinking of installing one but mine will be mounted near the middle and I like the idea of having the wheels always with the yak. Still not fully committed still giving it thought.
Sidekick is super bad. Bent two sets of legs. The boondox is a superior product and worth the extra cost.
@@BassManStrikes thanks for your input
@@BassManStrikes just the legs?
I use a Yakattack cart.
Totally agree landing gear sucks....
Nothing but long term hassle.
I don't want to be a downer, but the audio for the last 2 videos has been quite bad. Still listenable, but not as good as it used to be?
It's been non-stop wind for days. Even with external mics and windscreens I've had to push down the treble to make it tolerable. Hopefully the spring winds taper off for a while.
Strange the audio is totally fine to my ear
Forgot to talk about how you get to fuck around and lift 100+ pound kayak everytime to put the cart under it. For $200+ to boot 😂😂😂😂
Actually I have a very easy method of doing this which I will show in a video on the Old Town channel. Be sure and subscribe to not miss out. Its easier than landing gear and you don't end up with the wheels in the wrong place permanently or have to void your warranty.
LOL, if the water is shallow you have to lift each side of the kayak and let one side lean with landing gear.
If you add a kick stand you cab slide the kayak on the cart like a trailer if the water is deep enough.
In the long term a cart is a way better choice but the key is to get one that fits the hull.