(Almost) Self-Driving Car Comparison Test: Tesla vs. BMW vs. Ford vs. GM | Hands-Free Driving Test
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
- Self-driving cars have been “on the horizon” seemingly forever, and while we still haven’t bridged the gap to true autonomy, today’s driving assist systems are more advanced than ever - and they’re becoming increasingly common. In this video, Edmunds' Clint Simone and Brian Wong put four of the most powerful systems to the test: BMW’s Driving Assistant Plus, GM’s Super Cruise, Ford’s BlueCruise and, of course, Tesla’s Full Self-Driving Beta.
Intro 00:00
Bluecruise 00:52
Highway Assistant 05:00
Super Cruise 08:38
Full Self Driving Beta 14:11
Conclusion 20:51 - Авто та транспорт
Would you trust a hands-free driving system on the road? Let us know in the comments.
All of them probably drive better than me 😅
Nope
No
I would not. Unless Level 6 and Level 7 of Driver Automation is implemented, drafted, and approved by SAE International.
Nope. Have had every Tesla model, and a BMW with Pro-Plus. As you've all said: They're hands-free, not attention free. So, my hands will stay on the wheel so that I can respond more quickly to things needing "attention".
I have a Tesla FSD and it's by far the best self-driving system out there right now. I just wish other companies licensed Tesla's self driving so I could get a nicer car. I don't much like Teslas as cars, but the FSD is nothing short of amazing. FSD + Cadillac's camera based attention monitoring would be an amazing combo.
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Why include the Tesla in the test if it's automatically disqualified for not being hands-free?
Yeah, that was stupid. They preordained that Tesla would finish last.
It's agenda driven. They know they'll get more clicks with Tesla in the reviews, but they've always had a contentious relationship with Tesla
Tesla just isn't good. I just watched Rsymons auto park tesla vs bmw vs Ford vs audi
And it too got last place. Tesla claims to be a tech company but real luxury car brands have better tech 😂
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Och noooooo, it can't auto park... Think about children...
None of those systems apart FSd can drive inside cities and you complain that it struggles to auto park?... How dense you need to be here?
@@Zripas tesla doesnt even have a HUD, 360 cam, high grade stereo system, ventilated seats, ambient lighting, gauge clusters, etc.. lmfao.
I currently have FSD Beta that has incorporated Autopilot into one software package. My son lives 50 miles away and the car routinely drives me to and from his house with absolutely no interventions. City streets, highway, interchange transitions, doesn’t matter.
Can you give us other facts about your test case? City state time of day ? This would let us know whether the traffic situations are similar to Los Angeles, as the traffic here is quite intense
I use the “free” included version of Autopilot with my Y, in LA, on the 405 and city streets. I have to do all the turning and lane changes, but it works well in traffic. Windy roads are a bit of a challenge for the Tesla, but freeways and city streets are pretty solid.
@@LafemmebearMusic my son used to live in Costa Mesa. My wife and I would travel down fro the Central Coast, a 4 hour trip one way, and FSD was a godsend in stop and go traffic. We don’t drive in stop and go traffic often so we don’t have the stamina a daily driver in Los Angeles has. But the Tesla takes care of EVERY braking and acceleration needed. I still have to change lanes as necessary because the FSD isn’t dealing with RATIONAL and COMPETENT fellow drivers. However, it’s the most relaxed way to deal with stop and go LA traffic.
You missed some features and positives of the Tesla FSD. First it is not limited to any roads or specific geo fenced roads. It receives OTA updates The free version is better than the paid version of the competitions It has summon feature to bring car to you or move with out you inside the car. All that being said….thank you for the video.
@@bigdougscommentary5719I drove to Chicago a few times in my Tesla and I have full self-driving The only time I have to intervene is when I go to the superchargers other than that the car does fine by itself
Although I have a bmw I can’t believe why this test did not put the Tesla tops
Very liberal host and programming. That would be my guess. He was "too scared" to take his hands off the wheel, how pathetic lol.
Did did state the reason, they basically said it's better doesn't matter the ranking
Oh, Edmunds… the comments say it all.
It's would be much better if all this tests were done by same driver, because he would point out the differences he noticed.
The watcher and point out notices themselves.
They did say they tested them for a week, I assume the cars changed hands
Why the hell did you compare road testing in the tesla to hwy testing on all the others! The Tesla was flawless on the hwy and performed well on roads.
This is a fraud video. Tesla is 100% hands free for several minutes and only prompts you to touch the wheel every now and then. This is very misleading.
ya, can't see how the Tesla was placed 4th when it did things none of the other could and did better on the highway as well. Pretty arbitrary to say its not hands free because you have to touch the wheel. Would the ranking be different if you call it best Driver Assistance?
Bro, the car hesitates way too much, even on surface streets it takes too long to make crucial decisions, which would lead to a major accident. Bad enough humans drive like they have brain damage or something but now you got a car that can't even make a simple determination about when it's safe to cross an intersection the tesla itself chose to take. That's a wonky delusional day dream. They are giving tesla an A for effort but it's still got some bugs to work out. The Cadillac GM super cruise, was confident about the decisions it made and didn't need the driver to keep his hands on the steering wheel the whole time. Tesla can't always win every fight.
Keep in mind Tesla is being kind of a dick for requiring you to keep your hands on the wheel the whole time even though they want you to have complete confidence that there full self driving car will keep you safe.
The idea of a self driving car is supposed to bring a smile to ones face because it let's you know that you can sit back and let it handle the stressful driving situations and get you to where you need to go safely and worry free
@@boricuacubano_2023did you not see the ford?? They clearly stated that all of the cars had sketchy moments
It’s because Edmunds is purely looking at the driver monitoring side….which is stupid.
@@Qkazam I saw the ford and it almost killed the first guy. His heart almost jumped out his chest with that lane change lmao 🤣 its very popular I see them everywhere but paying monthly is ridiculous for blue cruise
Simply because tesla doesn’t please or sponsor by giving free press car.. they have to please other companies to get sponsorships and free press vehicles what tesla wont offer them😂
I don't want to sound like a Tesla fanboy but Tesla FSD really is worlds ahead of the competition and that's without V12.
We have a subscription to FSD and it takes a little bit to get used to how it does things. For example, the intersection at 19:38 you can control when it starts across by giving some throttle. FSD takes throttle and turn signal inputs without ending the driving session. Also, you only have to kep one hand on the wheel, and not even constantly. I often just use the volume scroll wheel to let it know that I'm paying attention.
LOL. if you have to give it inputs to achieve the desired outcome you are driving. It's not FSD.
@@zzmkdw You would be correct if I HAD to give inputs. But as in the video, the car did navigate across, and it would have crossed earlier during the first traffic gap if he had given some throttle. My point is that you can nudge the car if it is indecisive. I have been driving with FSD and my wife in the passenger seat had no idea until I cancelled it to make an unscheduled stop. The driver can make it a much smoother experience after getting familiar with it and being able to drive on any road is really amazing. Have a great day
@@zzmkdwyou dont "have" to give it inputes, but you have the option to do so to make it do exactly what you want it to.
The Tesla comes in 4th, HA, HA!! The only car that drove you back to the destination.. BTW, it is hands free driving, Tesla wants you to be attentive cuz people abuse the system and that’s why you have to nudge something with the car to let it know that you’re attentive..
Just follow the money and it will explain the decision-making process. I've been using FSD and also tried blue cruise... it's night and day difference. I would agree that Tesla's solution for autonomy is still a long way to go and may need some changes in camera positioning or definitely additional camera to improve system's ability to make decisions re: 'go - no go' on obstructed intersections. Other than that, it's ahead amongst the pack.
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Don't mix highway driving with city driving, those are way way way different. None of those systems apart FSD can actually navigate inside city
never forget, bcs they monitor your eyes and far more too, you have to be ready to intervene and if an accident happens, they will use this data against you, not to forget the electromagnetic smog! Some physician say if it stays under a certain level it should not be a cause for worry, but we need far more data to know it for sure, some use ultrasound, which can harm animals, humans too! but imagine if every cars send out this electrosmog, better take the train, at least you can sleep and don't spend that much money, of course in the US you don't have high speed trains, good public transport-system etc.
@@Ezekiel903 What's electromagnetic smog? You do realize that cellphones use electromagnetic radiation?
Just so there's no confusion about the cost of Tesla's software: Autopilot for highways is included in the price of the car. Enhanced Autopilot is $6k. FSD is $12K. You can also use Autopilot on city streets if you like, but it will not be nearly as good as FSD. Nor as "comfortable". Normal Autopilot will also not do turns; etc.
Tesla’s standard autopilot is for divided highways
@@infantrydave The standard autopilot will easily drive on two lane roads, but it will not stop at signs or lights.
Good post. I have standard autopilot and use it daily on freeways, highways, and city streets (provided there aren’t lots of stop signs - then I drive myself).
I’ve been using standard AP on city streets for 6 years. Works great in absence of stop signs.
Tesla auto park is terribly compares to audi and bmw just watch
Rysymons auto park tesla vs audi vs bmw
Video. Tesla is supposed to be a tech car but it's not near as good as real luxury auto makers tech 😂
No surprise Edmunds ranked Tesla 4th. These car review sites always give Tesla a bad name for no reason. I have a 23 MY and you can make autopilot hands free easily, you may have to hit the volume button every so often but I rarely have my hands on the wheel.
What about auto Parking?
Rsymons auto park tesla vs bmw vs Ford vs audi
Tesla also got last place in that test. Seems like tesla owners are just biased that their tech car isn't as good as real luxury brand cars
ok so that's not called hands free
stop nut hugging elons balls 😂😂😂😂
elon - teslas will be robo taxis in 2020 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
elon musk - 21th century PT Barnum
Wow, there really are 2 ways to look at this, as a driver assistance package and hands free driving. Agreed model y doesnt have full hands free unlike the others but isnt it superior tech as you mentioned in every driving circumstances on the highway?
Would you ding the system because you gotta keep a hand on it ?? (You dont beed 2 hands at 9 and 3, just one hand at 6 works too) Also Autopilot is free with all Teslas that you fail to mention whereas in all the others you have to pay for an assistence package.
Autopilot does lane and maintenance the lane like the others. Which by default mkaes the tesla a better bang for the buck.
Yup
Very liberal host and programming. That would be my guess. He was "too scared" to take his hands off the wheel, how pathetic lol.
Summary of video : Best self-driving on highway - Edmunds said it was the 3-year old Tesla Model Y with FSD Beta package. Best self-driving on city streets - Edmunds said it was the 3-year old Tesla Model Y with FSD Beta package. But Tesla asks you to keep hands on the wheel, and Tesla enforces that one hand is pulling on the wheel every 30 seconds or so. Would have been better to test a 2023 Tesla with the new wider-view cameras and upgraded processing that comes free and standard on S/X/Y. Should do one test with completely free and included autopilot package, and then another test with $199 per month FSD Beta package. You should have also tested night driving and longer 30-minute drives because most of America does not drive on freeways like the 405.
Same with the BMW. It also has improved its driving assistance to city streets and highway. Also has 360 cam and HUD which tesla doesnt.
I've only tried BMW and Teslas and BMW is definitely far superior for driving and parking. 360 cam is really nice to have. The gauge cluster screen showing all the cars by u is at a wider more better looking angle. It's also more smooth as this guy said in the video. BMW is overall just a nicer interior to have it on.
I have full FSD beta for my LR AWD Model 3 (purchased late 2019 for $6K). A couple of things you should have noted: while your current Ford system was not bad, you said that your older Lightening system is awful. There's no excuse for that - any modern computer-controlled system should be fixed with an over-the-air update. I felt that your commentary on FSD was mostly fair (with the admission that your surface street anxiety my well be your problem, not FSD's problem). Your having given the most advanced system the lowest rating because it isn't technically "hands-free" was, frankly, stupid. Every FSD user knows that they can be hands-free for several seconds without getting anywhere near "Tesla Jail" - and IMHO, none of these systems should have drivers being hands-free for longer than that anyway. So you downgraded it on the basis of a stupid technicality.
That DOESN'T mean that FSD doesn't sometimes do scary things. Phantom braking is still a thing - on a road trip of several hundred miles, it'll probably happen once or twice - and I always wonder, "What if someone had been behind me?" When I'm driving with full navigation on an uncrowded semi-rural highway, FSD can suddenly decide to take an exit not on my route for no discernable reason and I have to jerk the car back onto the main lane. The anxiety you experienced on taking a left across right-bound traffic on a busy street - that's real too - and, conversely, I sometimes have to goose the car to properly take it's turn at 4-way stops. Honestly, I find complicated surface street FSD use too anxiety-inducing to use routinely - and there's no way I'm going to let it navigate an area under construction.
Don't even bother with them. They are BIASED against Tesla since they don't advertise with them. They basically don't make money off of Tesla.
Given how easy it is to implement the hands-free solution it is pretty unforgivable with the most advanced system doesn't have that. Let's get real.
@@DrKnowsMore There is nothing further to do to implement "hands-free" driving if all FSD did was lane keeping. It does that fine and even just Autopilot has been there for couple of years. The reason FSD beta isn't "hands free" is, IMO, ONLY about Tesla thinking they can avoid legal liability for accidents by forcing drivers to tug on the steering wheel every few seconds to prove that they're paying attention. By hyping the system in stupidly calling it "Full Self Driving", they're doing legal butt-covering; I think that's all.
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Not having hands free is legally required by law. And you don't need to keep your hands on wheel all the time while using Tesla FSD system, it will only ask you to confirm that you are still paying attention from time to time.
You’re the same as me lol same issues. It’s genuinely great except for in random instances or complicated situations
I currently use Tesla FSD. Technically you need to keep your hands on the wheel (for legal reasons they have to say this). However in practice I never keep my hands on the wheel (especially on freeways). I just flick the volume switch on the wheel when it nags. Surface streets are waaaay more challenging than freeways which is why no other system even attempts to do surface streets.
“You can’t win a hands free driving contest if you don’t have hands free driving”. Pre-determination at its best. Note to reviewer: you don’t need to white knuckle the wheel with both hands while using FSD. Just rest your left hand at about 7 o’clock, and enjoy the magic.
Very liberal host and programming. That would be my guess. He was "too scared" to take his hands off the wheel, how pathetic lol.
to be honest, I was stunned about how truthful you all were. very well done. knowledge is power. thank god I dont have to endure the 405.
The 405 is a breeze with a Tesla. I have thousands of REAL WORL stop and go traffic on the 405. You just engage FSD Beta (Autopilot) and relax. No pressing the accelerator, hitting the brakes, etc.
what version of FSDBeta was used? Thanks for the honest review.
You guys did a good and fair testing job. But I can’t agree with the ratings. How is it fair to rate Tesla last when you said it did best on the same things that other cars can also do (and do what others can’t do)? 🤷🏻♂️
Because in this video, they were testing hands-free systems. Although it can drive well on and off the highway, the Tesla FSD is not really a hands free system. You need to have your hands on the steering wheel at all times unlike in the other cars where you can actually sit back, take your hands off the steering for ages, and just relax. That's where the Model Y lost most of its points.
Based on the terrible hand offs, the others probably shouldn’t be hands free. And making that a condition of winning the test is idiotic as a premise. Creating a loophole where your best performer can’t win is cooking the books. The outcome was pre-determined.
You would know by following the money.
Correction. At 7:53 the BMW system is NOT for the entire life of the car. On an X5 for example is $5,300 for 8 years of Highway Assistant. After 8 years from vehicle sale the system is deactivated.
It includes: Parking Assistance, Premium Package and Drivers Assistance Professional Package.
The Fine Print from BMW USA:
Included in this package is the Highway Assistant feature which is provided for the first 8 years after vehicle sale. The feature will disable after that time. HA can be used only on controlled access highways.
Not available in Alaska, Guam, Puerto Rico or Hawaii.
Weather, traffic, road conditions, availability of high definition map data and other factors may affect performance. HA helps drivers with the driving tasks but is not a substitute for the driver’s responsibility to operate the vehicle in a safe manner. Drivers must always pay attention to vehicle alerts, warnings, road condition, road objects, other drivers, pedestrians and take corrective action if required. Failure to pay attention and use proper care may result in injury, death or damage to property. Use of HA may not be permissible in certain states. Please refer to your owner’s manual or contact your local BMW center for more information.
Do wish you would do these tests in a mixture of day, night, sun, rain.
what I care about is free/included options (like what if you don't pay the blue cruise subscription? do you get any driver assist?) and how does the included "basic autopilot" compare to the options? how does "enhanced autopilot" compare?
Great video! Keep it up!
I have 10,000miles of Supercruise this year and I love it.
Edmunds only likes comments that aren’t pro-Tesla.
4th place for the Tesla? How do you guys rank these lol? It literally got you from the highway to the hq office
Very liberal host and programming. That would be my guess. He was "too scared" to take his hands off the wheel, how pathetic lol.
The one that you would assume will have a subscription service is the one that has a one time payment for life.
Dude was overplaying keeping your hands on the wheel in the Tesla way, way too much
21:20 love the right front wheel curb rash on the Tesla. Someone's been a bad driver!!
I think they come from the factory like that; almost all Teslas have curb rash
@@rj7855 Its pretty rare to see a Tesla, any Tesla, that doesn't have some type of curb rash. Even the S and X suffer from it. i attribute it to low profile tires in particular.
@@alexnutcasio936 Low profile tires but also narrow tires for the rims as default size. There's no rim protection whatsoever.
People just don't know how to park. Use your mirrors instead of trusting the sensors.
@@erlendkristiansen4664sorry, I know this is probably nitpicking but what's ever wrong with sensors? Sensors are generally robust and repeatable. Most issues exist within the way something is designed. I mean, sensors do go bad but it's pretty rare. Lol
So trust those sensors! (for the most part)
MANY UNIFORMED comments on this youtube video:(
I have a 2022 Tesla Model Y with the FSD (Full Self Driving) option installed.
I input the address of my destination and FSD drives me to autonomously to the destination (yes, dummies, you have to occasionally touch the steering wheel with your hand (that's a law haters) while you are being driven to your destination.
My 2022 Tesla Y FSD drives me from one address to the destination I enter, on streets, freeways, parking lots, traffic lights, yield signs, stop signs, near pedestrians, bicycle riders, and even random off leash dogs.
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and ignore the haters who no idea about any current vehicle technologies.
Have a great new year and many safe travels
I love the blue cruise system in my Mach e. However I wouldn’t pay anything extra for it. It’s a feature that came with car when I ordered it as part of the technology package. I don’t use it in heavy traffic, however it makes driving less tiring on long drives
I have 2 1/2 months left on my FSD Beta on my Tesla Model Y Long Range. No way on earth I'd actually buy it. It gets you where you go without intervention I'd say 75% of the time, but way too often, I find myself stressed out or thinking, "Why did it do that?" I've said it before, it's like being driven around by a 16 year old who got their learner's permit a week ago! On long drives, slow lane + adaptive cruise control = the best situation.
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 It sure is the beta system, it's still the most advanced compared to all he other systems. I also have the M.Y. performance. Even though it's still in the improvement process it's great on long trips.
With the new updates the city street driving is 100 times better than 6 months ago and are really happy with it. You have to understand that it's in beta mode, once it goes full digital it will be a game changer because it will be on every road in the United stated and not geofenced or just certain areas.
It would’ve been good to mention the three levels of Tesla’s autopilot: Autopilot $0, Enhanced Autopilot (EAP) $6k and FSD $12k. If you’re willing to tell the car when to switch lanes, then you’re looking at a $0 option on the Tesla.
No hands free
The results is super funny. Watching this as a ICE enthusiast, its quite obvious thr tesla is in a completely different league compared to the others. The fact the others need to "wait" for perfect conditions, be pre approved or "ready" tells me everything i need to know.
Such an anecdotal based argument
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But its true... Tesla provides least restrictions where you can use it and when, you just use it and then car will figure out what it needs to do
I thought that Hyundai had some version of "hands free driving"?
I am curious if you are going to test the other smart features like Auto Park.
No hands-free from Hyundai at the moment.
@@clintsimone I thought that Highway Driving Assist 2 was hands free but they say that you need to keep your hands on the wheel.
Tesla needs a test with basic Autopilot and its Enhanced versions
Exactly, since except for auto-lane-changes, FREE Tesla standard autopilot already meets or beats all the other hands-free systems (except, of course, for not being fully "hands-free", which to me is ok as I WANT to be hands-on just in case an oopsie moment happens.)
It would be more fair to compare the $6k Enhanced AutoPilot vs the other systems, as it also does auto lane changes as explained, and matches the other systems exactly.
FSD is a completely different beast as it NAVIGATES you COMPLETELY even on city streets, turns, stop signs/lights, etc... all the other hands-free systems are just highway assistants. They do NOT navigate (take turns/exist) at ALL. It is SELF DRIVING (almost), not a driver assist.
I love my autopilot on the Tesla. This test probably paid by GM.
It does everything better than the others and the only one that works on city streets, but you didn't like it because you have to lightly touch the steering wheel! BOGUS REVIEW! Too bad they don't pay for advertising like the other manufactures do. YOU WERE BOUGHT!!!
This is absolutely ridiculous. Tesla is by far away miles and miles ahead of everyone. This is a test of cruise control not self driving.
It would be great to compare these stock systems with the open pilot.
Been using Tesla’s Autopilot since 20 minutes after I picked up my 2018 Model 3 in Fremont, CA. Used it for cross country trips since then. Perfectly satisfied with my choice.
Changing lanes into the blind spot of a truck doesn’t seem like the best idea. 6:56
Tesla is by far the best of the best, there is no comparison between the others. Totally hands free is not safe at any speed (remember Ralph Nader?). It's too easy for the driver to be distracted and cause an accident or get caught up in one. I drought that there will ever be a totally hands free car unless it is on a highway that only allows FSD vehicles. Edmunds always seems to give bad reviews to Tesla cars for some reason, I don't understand your reasoning.
I have a Tesla Model Y. The FSD on the highway is superb. I definitely don't use a steering wheel weight to defeat the hands-on nature of the system. Definitely don't...
In the city however, FSD is about as good as letting your 12 year old kid drive. It'll get you there for sure... but it also might not lol.
Overall I agree with the ranking, 4th for the Tesla because you can't be "Full self driving" if you don't technically drive yourself. 3rd for the Ford, 2nd for the Bimmer and 1st for the Cadillac.
I don't agree, I believe Tesla is #1. The other systems are way worse.
They're the leader, they don't have mapped highways or geofencing where you can only do it in certain areas.
The other systems are a joke honestly.
@@Hugo-py2ce But the Tesla’s system isn’t hands off so it’s a loss in my book. Blame the early adopters who un-alived themselves due to their own negligence. Now Tesla treats us like babies. The system constantly yells at me. 99.9% of the time I’m holding the wheel, and the system STILL yells at me to “add slight force”. It’s f**king irritating. That’s why I use a steering wheel weight to defeat it. But I shouldn’t have to do that. If I paid for FSD whether it was the $10,000 up charge or the $200/month subscription, I should GET FULL SELF DRIVING. Anything less is a last place finish in my book. Again, I own a Tesla. And I think it’s a loss until Tesla allows their drivers to be adults.
For the systems that only work on some highways, that is much worse than Teslas system that works literally everywhere (but requires touching the wheel every minute or so). Teslas system is unmatched in it's feature set
I've only tried BMW and Teslas and BMW is definitely far superior for driving and parking. 360 cam is really nice to have. The gauge cluster screen showing all the cars by u is at a wider more better looking angle. It's also more smooth as this guy said in the video. BMW is overall just a nicer interior to have it on. HUD is also nice to have.
@@rickkay9548BMW does all the same things brother. Ur just being obv biased.
Tesla for the win. Wow.
Zero intervention drive till final destination.
So proud of this great American Company.
Suggest u watch
Rsymones auto park tesla vs bmw vs audi .
Tesla is far behind bmw and audi when it comes to self driving and auto park. I had nothing but problems in my tesla. Ur spreading false information when there's videos to prove
In the USA it works very well.
Parking has been improved with high fidelity parking update included in the Christmas update.
Tesla Model Y is the best selling car in the world. People all over the planet are voting with their wallets.
This is FACT. Not false information.
Shame on you for lying.@@user-my4xu4gf1z
@@user-my4xu4gf1z
Are you trying to compare park assist with ability to self drive in a city?... Seriously? Give us video with your bmw or audi self navigating city streets...
@@Zripas u really think that's a selling point for people that buy 60k+ BMWs? "The ultimate driving machine" .. people like myself enjoy the driving engagement brands like bmw comes with. Why would i spend that money on a car not too enjoy it. I'd only want self driving on the highway on long tedious road trips. Which bmw does better then tesla. Plus I've seen plenty of videos of teslas using its fsd beta mode and it going slow af thru traffic around town, taking wrong turns, jerking randomlly,etc.. plus tesla safety protocol makes u keep ur hands on the wheel and eyes directed toward the road. So umm.. u might as well just be driving at that point! I've never once thought I'd want my car to self drive me just driving around town. Complete pointless gimmick.
@@user-my4xu4gf1z
So your best "counter" argument is to say that all autonomous cars are useless because you don't like it?... Ok... You win this round... I guess...
If you're going to feature FSD just to disqualify which is clearly the superior and safer but more expensive option for highways. You could of just created a separate test to include it.
Winner is the car that can’t change lanes lol. Cool story.
I've been working in the autonomous vehicle industry for a few years. These systems are good (to varying degrees), but they are not "self-driving." Whatever you do, do NOT assume your car's ADAS "drives itself." You - as a consumer - have no idea what to do when the ADAS fails.
They rated Tesla last so it would lead to more comments and promote the video in the algo.
I currently have FSD Beta. I use this to take me EVERYWHERE! I put in the destination and the car routinely drives me to and from each destination with absolutely no problems. I drive a lot! City streets, highway, interchange transitions, around crazy drivers, doesn’t matter. It drives better than most humans! It is ahead of any vehicle on the market now. There is no vehicle that is able to do the things that Tesla FSD can do. My father has the latest BMW and it is not even close to what a Tesla can do.
My Wife has the BMW self driving packages on the video and I have the Tesla FSD Beta. Tesla is clearly 100 times better than the BMW…. I do not have to keep my hands on the steering wheel continuously just every 30 seconds on the highway. Every 15 seconds on city streets. Plus you do have to keep your eyes on the road or you will be put in Tesla jail. I wish your test was correct because the BMW is more luxurious and range is great. But it is not in the same league with Tesla in the self driving category.
It's the Tesla jail for me!!! I think they should have an appeals process....or a jury of our peers! 😅
How does kia/hyundia fit in
Do self park. 🥺
Wait, was the FSD on Navigation?
Auto pilot is free with the car. Enhanced auto pilot is what costs 6k. FSD is 12k
Wow! After the first minute of the guy incorrectly describing how Tesla’s FSD operates I immediately distrusted the info given on ALL the other cars! Though I’m not a Tesla owner, I have rented 3 on Turo, with another rental coming up in December. All trips have been over 5 day long rentals, with my next one being a 7 day rental. I can categorically state that his description about having to keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times while FSD is engaged is absolutely incorrect! Now the question is, why was his info incorrect? Was it due to incompetence on his part or done on purpose? Either way, what I thought, or hoped to be an informative comparison of various auto manufacturer’s self driving systems, I’ve ended up questioning the accuracy of their critiques on ALL on the cars in this video!
Right after this video, a video by Marques Brownlee came on, featuring Tesla Self driving. He’s in a Tesla Model S, with a camera mounted to the inside of the windshield pointed so you can see him and most of the steering wheel, and another camera I’m guessing hanging from the inside of the glass roof just behind his right shoulder so you can see the steering wheel, the screens, and the foot pedals. I’m at the 3:12 mark, with MAYBE 15 seconds at the beginning, maybe less, where he activates FSD and takes off in the city. His hand are sometimes close to the steering wheel as he’s not sure what the car will do, so he wants to be prepared to take over, but he never actually touches the steering wheel. MOST of the time though, his hand are on his thighs. The car is making left and right hand turns and automatically turning on its blinkers. It’s not until the 3:04 mark that the car, as I too have experienced, notified him that it requires him to TOUCH the steering wheel so that it can confirm that he is paying attention. Just as I’ve experienced, this is TOTALLY different from what the Edmonds test driver stated about you HAVE to keep your hands on the steering Wheel when using Tesla’s FSD. It’s sad when a big company like Edmonds can’t be trusted to get their facts right! Even worse when they take those incorrect facts and disseminate them to the public! I hope someone from Edmonds reads this comment!
Again, Marques has both his hands on his thighs or even holding his phone to film a closeup of the dash screen!
Here is the link to Marques’s FSD video. Note his hands free use that the Edmonds guy stated you can’t do.
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If you do FSD beta, you do not have to keep your hands on the wheel, you just have to apply a slight nudge to it every once and a while, it just likes to say that you have to keep your hands on the wheel, you do not have to.
You're joking, right? The other cars need super ideal conditions and yet the Tesla "just drives" and it comes in 4th? If you're going to nix it because "you have to hold the steering wheel" (you and I know, you truly don't) then you should have excluded it from the test the same way you excluded the Hyundai triplets... credibility and logic fail on your end.
Yeah, whoever came up with the test rules is a moron.
I have the BMW system, it is definitely conservative but I like that when I'm letting the car drive, if I want to be aggressive I'd better be in control. That lane change abort on super cruise would be a deal breaker for me, in my eyes the BMW won (I'm sure I'm biased a little)
FSD isn’t 2x the cost of standard autopilot. It’s 2x the cost of Advanced Autopilot. Standard Autopilot is free with any Tesla.
Also, giving Tesla 4th place is absurd given it outperformed all others on the highway, and has features the others don’t. If you don’t like the way FSD drives on the street, then don’t use it that way. Tesla making you keep your hands on the wheel seems safer than relying on the user to come back to attention in a fraction of a second like the other machines. They aren’t more capable, just more permissive.
Making truly hands free a condition of scoring over last place was cooking the books. You guys could have filmed the end scene first.
You guys should do this test again with Tesla v12.3.6 or upcoming v12.4!
here's my problem, LA was built for cars, and they barely worked, I live in Boston it was not built for cars, i want to see a full self driving tesla in the snow, at night before i will begin to believe they are ready. overall great review and very informative.
You forgot to mention that besides costing $12,000, Tesla won’t value that $12k should you trade the car in or sell it. It’s like throwing money away. Better off to just pay a monthly fee for use on long road trips. I’m curious to see what the upcoming Mercedes system will do. Looks promising.
No other car manufacturer is going to factor their system into your trade in value either. At least Tesla lets you transfer FSD to a new purchase.
@@chrisak49 Okay, so you are saying if you trade your Tesla in TO Tesla FOR another Tesla, they will transfer the FSD software over to the new car. If you go anywhere outside of Tesla again, either for a trade or personal sale or other brand, your $13k purchase is worthless. Thank you for proving my point.
@@mjhowson2389 thanks for letting me know how dumb you are.
True but if Tesla solves true FSD, the value will be significantly greater than 12k. Most dream of having a fully autonomous car and would be willing to pay a great deal of money for it.
@@chrisak49 Tesla won't let you transfer FSD to a new purchase anymore. That was for a limited time unfortunately.
There really needs to be common standards for how these systems communicate their status and for activation and how they hand off control back to the driver.
Tesla FSD 12.4 is about to be released with full hands free. Lets have guys compare these systems again ON CITY STREETS. How do they compare on unprotected left turns?
Tesla is laser focused on safety, which is why they require that you keep your hands on the wheel. It is a safety system set up to ensure that you are paying attention to the road. Your tests showed that it was the most stable and most reliable on the highway, which begs the question... why do the other systems allow you to drive without your hands on the wheel? That should be a negative for them, not a positive!!
I have been driving FSD for years. It drives me anywhere I need to go and I rarely need to intervene. It navigates on highways, changes lanes, exits, merges, navigates construction zones, works in heavy traffic, in light traffic, at night, during the day, in bad weather. It is absolutely incredible. It is not geofenced. It works on all kinds of streets. It deals with detours. It has the best safety and warning systems. Your own tests demonstrated this!
Yes, you have to keep your hands on the wheel because it is still in beta and is not ready to be used unsupervised. But NONE of these systems are ready for unsupervised driving. The fact that Tesla sends you to Tesla Jail if you don't pay attention IS A GOOD THING. And, just to be clear... Tesla Jail is not permanent. You get the system back after a few weeks. It is just a reminder that Tesla takes safety much more seriously than the other systems.
You really had to bend over backwards to rate FSD 4th. It performed best in your tests and is the only system that works everywhere, including city streets. It literally drives you from point A to point B safely, with few if any interventions required. It won in every category, so, of course... 4th of 4. Might you have another agenda?
I've only tried BMW and Teslas and BMW is definitely far superior for driving and parking. 360 cam is really nice to have. The gauge cluster screen showing all the cars by u is at a wider more better looking angle. It's also more smooth as this guy said in the video. BMW is overall just a nicer interior to have it on. Not to mention it has a HUD
Idk why we continue to compare anything else to Tesla because Tesla still has the best one even though it’s still glitchy it still beats everything else on the market
My Model S did all that 10 years ago. The test in 2024 is what happens when you get off the freeway. Tesla FSD V12 is already door to door with minimal intervention including self park at destination.
It would have been interesting to see the comparison with Merceds-Benz
Ha Tesla comes in last despite having more capability and was smoother on lane changes etc… just disqualified it because it’s recommended to keep your hands on the wheel at all times Interesting bias.
Tesla has the best system that does what others don’t, changes lanes the best, and much of the self driving experience can be had at no charge if you just stick with Autopilot. Plus the Tesla works on all roads with lines, the other systems only work on limited roads or at very limited speeds.
This is a f’ing joke. My Model Y performance drives to and from work 50 miles in traffic and every other condition including going up a road that none of these other systems could dream of when I live. One tap and multiple days I never have to make a correction. These other systems are glorified cruise control. PERIOD. They will not let you drive on roads not already programmed. That is a huge difference. FSD will drive on any road. All this before it goes all Nueral network goes live.
A Guiders license, is what the government will require in the future...
Throwing shade at Tesla even tho it performed the best. LOL. But I guess if “hands free” is the name if the game…… 🙄 Please do another video about what cars can drive in the city. LOL. Oh, Tesla FTW. Cheers 🍻
Note to my future self: You love how tesla's free autopilot in beta can be activated right after you left your home and help you out on city roads. You can also pay $200/mo and you get the Full Self Driving experience which is not really good at making turns but kinda fun for mostly straight roads with highway exits and enters. Try in the future, it's 2024 now.
You hate how Rivian's highway assist barely enables and randomly disables during highway rides, and cannot be utilized in any non-highway situation, which includes the 'adaptive cruise'. So, it's pretty much a fun sports car in non highway situations (which you cannot speed, so it's a couple of floor it for a split second to enjoy the g-force while you're driving alone situation to keep things safe around the neighborhood.
You dislike how Ford Mustang tends to keep it on the right side of the road, it won't exactly keep you centered in the line, and your OCD might trigger and you take it over...
nah tesla hands down the best, you technically dont need to put ur hands there just to nudge the system over time so that people dont abuse it. but i admit tesla still have issues with the phantom braking and jerking turns
Need to include Audi E-tron adaptive assist, for the next one.
I've never seen any more biased reviews from Edmunds. This video might become the reason I stop considering reviews from Edmunds anymore. Really feeling sad to say this, because Edmunds has been my place to check reviews.
GM's SuperCruise system is simply the best overall, the version used in the Silverado/Sierra has the ability to be used while towing a trailer as well. If I heard correctly, GM is also coming out with "UltraCruize" which will be even more advanced than SuperCruise.
I’m not ready for hands free driving yet
Surprised not to see Mercedes since they were first to have level 1 and now level 3
Can you be any more paid for by the other companies? You made it a hands free test to make it an auto fail for the Tesla while admitting it is clearly the most advanced system. You also failed to mention how it reads traffic signals and road signs unlike the other systems that just read lanes and openings for lane changes and doesnt even do that properly.
I never keep my hand on my tesla wheel even in the city. I just touch it when it ask to. But im.always ready to take over if there is a bug.
I would say Subaru's EyeSight based ADAS system is a strong contender in the top 5 or 6. Excellent in lane keeping and centering, adaptive cruise control, driver monitoring. But not a hands-free system.
The only self driving in my vehicles will be MYSELF.
Nice informational video, could've been better. Also, please move out of the left lane if you're at or below speed limit and there's a large open gap in front of you. Because some of us are actually trying to break the law lol 😂
That’s kind of a bs reason for Tesla’s 4th place finish despite being the best most capable system just because it’s not technically “hands free” If all you want is the best self driving system then there’s no other choice. That said, it’s not worth $12k. I got it when it was $6k, which is a much better price considering that all updates have been free.
Sigh… so should they risk the penalty and possible law suit from telling folk they can defeat the fsd hand requirement? Like alot of you in the comments want them to just say this illegal thing and say screw it ? Huh 😅
@masterrpgs
It's actually worse than that, what they tested here was autopilot and not FSD, which cis either free version or enhanced autopilot which is like what? 3k? It always annoys me when people mixes FSd which works on all roads with basic cruise control systems which are limited to highways.
0:03 the reason i hate driving into work every day.
I would too
Not sure why dude was freaking out in LA traffic with Blue Cruise. He should have lowered the cruise control limit so there wouldn't be such a difference in speed between his left lane driving and the center lane.
Tesla AutoPilot recognizes large speed difference w/ neighboring lanes (eg HOV fast vs slow lane) and will reduce speed a bit to be safer... you can override w/ single push on accelerator
Full Self Driving software is in BETA. being in the beta program means you are subjected to bugs and issues as you provide feedback and training for Tesla to use to make the system safer. It's not flawless at all, but anybody driving it for a few months can see obvious progress improvements. I have been using FSD Beta since October 2021, so about 2 years now and it is CRAZY how much it has improved in 2 years. It's very clear to see that in the relatively near future, it will reach a point where it can drive at least AS SAFE as a human in any environment. From that point on, it will continue to improve until it drives at a level that is MUCH safer than a human. as technology gets better, higher resolution camers get cheaper, and Tesla is able to obtain more video data to train the systems on, FSD software will eventually become much much much safer than a human. At this point, it will be considered more dangerous to have a human driving than a computer. I can't wait until that happens because it will save thousands of lives a year.
Self-driving cars discourage or decrease the frequency of driving experience. Imagine how much less practice drivers of the future will have when it comes to basic skills like lane changes, merging, and following in traffic.
Well with FSD 12.4 Tesla will drive hands free without the nags. How would this change the result now?
Ive seen other videos on youtube with Teslas with FSD and they don't have to give any input at all during the trip. Maybe those users are on newer versions not avalible to everyone yet. There's many FSD hands free videos out there mostly in model S/X models
i will never ever ever pay for a subscription fee for a adaptive cruise control. No thank you
This is simply stupid to compare FSD beta with other (that are basically advance cruise controls). FSD is 100 times more capable system then in other cars, Other cars will never be able to acheive what Tesla has already acheived unless they change how they are programming their autonomous system, which is to rely on data and AI instead of telling the car what to do. They never told (program) tesla what Road sign means and how it should react but it learn itself based on the data.
19:35 that tree looked old
I have the Tesla Model Y LR and have 3 months of FSD Beta and at best, it's like having a 16 year old with their learner's permit driving you around. These systems are supposed to make things stress free for you and it's the exact opposite for me. When my 3 months are up, there's no way I'd spend $12K to get the full package. If I had money to burn, I would, but even when it gets me where I want to go, it's so stressful that I need a cigarette after, and I don't even smoke! What's the point?
AND WE WERE NOT PAID TO TALK DOWN TESLA
Would have loved to see Mercedes up here as well.
Am I the only one to notice the very crubbed rims on that Tesla 🥴