Self-Parking cars Tesla v Audi v Ford v BMW - test and comparison - are they any good?
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- Опубліковано 17 сер 2022
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Hi everyone welcome!
So I happened to have a handful of cars with “self-parking” capability so we rigged up some tests to see just how good these systems are.
Tesla Model S and 3 including AP1 v AP2
Audi E-tron GT
Ford Mustang Mach-E
BMW i4 M50
Parallel and perpendicular parking tested.
Autopilot 1 is better than AP with Enhanced AP/Full Self Driving
It’s one test where Tesla certainly don’t win!!
Hope you enjoy the video.
Richard
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Part 2 [using Tesla vision] now out!
Self-Parking Tesla Vision v Hyundai Ioniq 5 with remote parking v BMW i3 - still a Tesla Fail?
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A fair test would have made sure there was equal clearance available for all of the cars. Bigger cars need a wider gap, but that first tesla you tried with had almost no clearance. I would have liked to see you park it yourself with the same clearance as you did with the other cars.
I think your AP1 model has lidar, but the AP2 is likely just using vision, hense failing. All the cars that did well likely used LIDAR. The switch to a vision system was definitely a downgrade on Tesla.
It would have been interesting to see if the other cars would have run over a kid though. The tesla did seem very aware of pedestrians... which is a good thing if you don't want to run somebody over. However in general it does seem pretty sucky at parking.
@@foobars3816 A fairer test would have included lines demarcating the parking place for the Tesla.
The Ford and BMW systems both use Mobileye, they are the same systems but slightly tweaked. Tesla AP1, the one that actually parked, uses an old version of Mobileye too. Later Tesla versions use Tesla's own hardware and software, which is why its actually worse at parking. The reason Elon moved away from Mobileye was because he wanted to market the cars as self driving, and Mobileye refused to do that due to safety. When Tesla's own AP2 came out, to nobodies surprise a bunch of Tesla's crashed and killed the drivers. Mobileye is the better self driving technology, they just dont push it beyond its limits like Tesla does with their system.
@@foobars3816 AP1 used an old version of Mobileye, which is what the Ford and BMW in this video use, but use newer versions. AP2 and later are exclusive to Tesla, which is why they ended up doing worse. It has nothing to do with the sensors.
@@__aceofspades Actually it very much does have something to do with the sensors, as Tesla decided to use cameras instead of Lidar and ultrasound, but hadn't finished optimizing the vision , which is probably why it didn't perform as well as in the follow-up video.
From my perspective, it looks like audi/bmw/ford wrote an actual parking algorithm, whereas Tesla seems to have done it entirely with machine learning. The constant indecision and having to correct mistakes is the hallmark of an unoptimized machine learning algorithm.
Regardless of what Tesla did, it sucks big-time. It's useless for Tesla to throw around big buzz-words like AI and Machine Learning, when it fails miserably at the task it's supposed to do. Audi, BMW, Ford, rocked it and completely humiliated Tesla.
that was my thoughts exactly.
@@ganymede3141 today ford is better, but in time machine learning will surpass anything we can come up with.
@@bubbafats6246 Mayhaps, but we're nowhere near being there, and until that happens, which may be a decade or more, Teslas will self-park like drunk imbeciles. That's not useful for anyone. I would rather have a reliable algorithm like in the Audi that just gets the job done and rocks it. You don't need complex AI, Machine Learning and general case algorithms to park a car. The scenarios for self-parking are well enveloped and much easier and reliable to write an algorithm to handle it. But Tesla, as usual, likes to overcomplicate simple things, and then they don't work reliably because they're overcomplicated (Falcon doors, motorized door presenter handles, FSD come to mind).
@@ganymede3141 We are way closer than you might think. I think Tesla just hasn't put much effort into their parking algorithm. Machine learning is currently robust enough that if they put a month of effort into refining the algorithm I'm extremely positive they could get it done.
As a American car, Model S parked exactly like Americans. Stay true to its heritage for sure.
The Ford managed pretty well and that is also American. Tesla software is always one version away from being stable and usable and that has been going on for years but they are a much smaller company than the others.
Why so much hate for Americans 😀
Onward also thinking, the problem with Machine learning, it can only get as good as the best you’re learning from 😂. TBH, I think parking spaces in the US are bigger, and Tesla needs to recalibrate for the reality in European cities…
Model S is produced in China for Europe. Ford Mustang is produced in the US.
@@wood0305 damn i didnt know its produced i china for eu💀
Amazing that Tesla's self parking automation is so advanced it emulates the parking skills of their target drivers
It's to make them feel comfortable maybe? 😁
the IA can´t differenciate the sewer from the curb, is parking in line with the sewer
Not quite. It won’t allow them to park on the pavement or , in front of someone’s driveway. 😂🤣😂
My thoughts exactly!!
I'll just remind everyone that NO ONE asked for "electric cars". Just saying.
I love how Mercedes does this (at least in my wife's 2015 GLA, which is the only self-parking experience I have): no special buttons of any kind: you just stop past a parking spot and put your blinker on to indicate you want to go into the spot, and the car will automatically ask you if you want help with parking. If you then hit the OK button, you just take your hands off the wheel and with your accelerator and brake you control the speed at which it parks. And it parks absolutely perfectly every time. It's really, really cool :-)
That's the kind of system I'd prefer. As "cool" as it is to have the car do literally everything, I'd feel better if I'd be the one controlling the gas.
Even if it's just to be able to make it go as slow as I'm comfortable having it go when it's about to touch the other car's bumper.
Same as in the BMW. You don't need any button to press before, only stoping, Go in R and you can Press OK. Or If in 90° Angle you can either choose Forward or backward parking.
Mine is quite similar but you don't need to press any buttons at all and you also control the wheel.
I like how the BMW does not beep if it is self parking, no need for all that beeping if the car is doing the job itself
Exactly! It’s the small details like this that make a luxury car feel more special. Good job BMW.
you can reduce the beeping sounds via settings
@@nigelparry4911 that's cool
Yeah, my head almost blew up with all this beeping from Audi, like, why would you beep if you do it yourself? BMW is absolute winner here.
@@Sayansundupov you can turn off the sensors in the Audi, though having them on is handy as you have better awareness and can take over if auto park fails and gets too close
It's so embarrassing that Tesla cannot do it. I really like how Audi managed it.
Well people say Tesla is mostly a brand grift, because what you pay for isnt that great.
They are only saved by the progress theyve forced the industry to make with EVs
This is an extremely biased video - I've personally tested this on all of these cars and I've personally never had problems in the US doing auto park with a Tesla.
@@milandean how's it biased?
@@milandean have in mind US parking spaces are much wider and longer than in the EU, so much more challenging
@@milandean Biased? Do you mean he did not give Tesla a bigger space? If that's the scenario then clearly Tesla sux big time.
This is exactly how my Tesla also parks. After 2 years, I haven’t managed to get it to park once properly on its own.
Yeah, like they said, the self parking has been a problem for a while and used to be better. I think it changed when I got HW2.5 upgraded to HW3 or when they rolled out FSD beta. I think it has improved a bit, more recently though (it actually completed many self-parks without issues as opposed to completely failing before).
That's because you don't believe enough in Elon "it's really not that hard" Musk.
I have owned a new Qashqai Tekna+ for a few months. It does not have self parking, but it does have excellent 360° camera vision and auto tilting door mirrors when reversing. This makes parking a breeze. It also gives the driver something to do LOL. 😊
accurate representation of how Tesla drivers parallel park here in Canada. I guess they must be using self parking
You do realize the Tesla is the only old model apart from the other cars? Why didn't he go for the model S Plaid then? That could've been fair.
@@omeresyga look at the comments section , there are plenty of people with late model teslas and they also comment on the parking feature being very poor .
@@omeresyga they got the same software so there wouldt really be a diffrence
@@omeresyga Even a damn Golf 7 can do self parking like a charm…
@@omeresyga The older Tesla's were actually a lot better than the new models, since Tesla used to outsource their self parking technology. Newer Tesla's use a Tesla built system which works a lot worse.
After watching Tesla, I don’t feel so bad about my parking skill😏
XD
😀
Watch the Audi now
@@Boss_Tanaka You soul-crushing bastard! You know truth can hurt but do you care? noooooooooooooooooo.
Not sure since when this self-parking feature started to be widespread, but my VW 2011 performed it nearly as well as the Audi, Ford and BMW in the video :)
It's not rocket science, after all... :)
Self-parking Ford Focus was developed about 15 years ago. This video tests high-end cars but it is not new technology.
Probably same software. Auto parking is pure math and geometry, I think Tesla complicate this too much..
WV Makes Audi. So yeah, I imagine it would act like a VW
The Škoda Superb I had a few years ago had this. Absolutely brilliant, it got a pretty big car into places I would never have attempted manually.
Love that the Tesla parks like someone who is doing parallel parking the first time.
Here is their focus. Just released 10.69 Beta FSD
The parking is on the non-maintained branch of software. Guess what, it will be great at parking too, as it can drive confidently like this already:
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@@My_HandleIs_ 🤡🤡🤡
@@My_HandleIs_ Teslas are absolute dog shit
@@sebbya8370 wtf
@@My_HandleIs_ I know their software is great and it can drive well itself, but that has nothing to do with this. Rather remove the feature than have one as poor as this.
I'vw worked in a vehicle testing department at BMW. My college was responsible for all the driving assistant features of the i4. You can't imagine how many times he had to test the parking assistant to make sure everything worked the way it's supposed to. So no wonder it does a good job.
That’s why german cars are the best in the world.
BMW did the best in this test and I am not surprised. Neither am I surprised at the Tesla failures.
I like, that the BMW mutes the park-distance warning sounds directly... think I would kill the speakers in the Audi, when it's constantly warning me, while in deed the car is driving. But ok.. as the sound already is configurable in my old Audi I guess this is just a matter of the config.
Wife has 2014 Escape, I have 2017 Edge, they both work great. You have to control the shift lever and brake, but they park close to the curb. Wife's Escape gets really close to front vehicle when backing in which makes us nervous, but goes into the spot like it should.
I am terrible at parallel parking so self parallel park was a big selling point for me when I got my Model 3. Unfortunately, the system is exactly as is shown here. Most of the time it won't even sense the tighter parking spots and when it does, it does an absolutlely terrible job at parking. Plus it does it SO SLOWLY that you will hold up traffic for sure. Even in simple parking situations it will do the classic Tesla steering wheel jitter as it freaks out and decides what to do. I just never use auto park now. Basically any auto drive feature on my car is useless except the standard auto pilot when driving down a freeway. Don't even ask about 'Smart Summon'. Haha.
You should test the BMW backup assistance. It's quite good. The car remembers how you drove into a spot and automatically steer the car back out. It's great for maneuvering out of tricky driveways or parking situations..
They also have a cool tool to help backing up with a trailer
Meant to be the drivers car but this sounds like a im a noob and can’t drive feature 😂 cool though
@@knwgt5426 What if you drive into a long and wavy driveway but have to back out during the night? Less visibility, expensive car... a liability that is solved by just using the damn feature. I don't think it's supposed to be used all the time or anything.
Does that system cope well on slippery surfaces? Say, gravel driveways or shiny floors in large garages? They seem to exactly reverse their path, but even minor tyre slip could mess that up.
@@Xevion amateurs 😂 a long windy drive way how ever would I cope
Great video! Very surprised at how poorly the newer Tesla cars did. I work in the AI industry and have some familiarity with the technology at play here - so just to explain what's going on:
Ford, BMW and Volkswagen Group (inc. Audi) all use ADAS systems from Mobileye (an Israeli company, now owned by Intel), which is why the parking behaviour of those cars is almost identical. Tesla also used Mobileye's tech until 2017 when they decided to switch to their own systems. It's a huge surprise to me though that the Mobileye system in the 2016 Tesla is so much better than Tesla's own FSD. I suspect the reason is that parking assist is not a big focus for the Tesla Autopilot Engineering team as they are more focused on the FSD capabilities. Conversely Mobileye have taken a more slow and steady approach with their autonomous vehicle tech and have likely focused much more on the basics like self-parking and really perfected that.
Useful info thank you
They don’t seem to have a lot to show for the focus on FSD capabilities - Musk has been proclaiming FSD as “in the near future” or even “by next year” since 2014
I would have thought auto parking would be and integral part of FSD - as would be auto wipers and auto high beam which are all weaknesses inTesla systems but work well on all other manufacturers vehicles.
This is very much speculation, but looking at how the FSD Tesla cars were 'sawing' at the wheel and moved in quite a jerky way, I wonder if Tesla have tried to be too clever and relied more on deep learning and unsupervised AI techniques like Reinforcement Learning and trained the FSD system using datasets of human driving behaviour, but not quite got it right...
The Mobileye systems look like they are just doing a solid mathematical, deterministic approach.
Need to go ask a Tesla autopilot engineer!
I couldn't agree more. I expected this result bc I heard for years that Tesla lacks behind in parking. They really focus on the driving tech obviously than parking.
Also when we saw the new Teslas parking first turn the wheel the wrong way etc I think it's clear to me that the system is probably for really just the US roads (where from what I heard is more space) The approach was constantly targeting for parking with assuming of more space. At least that's my impression to it.
Thank you for this good test. A least we know who have no problem and who might have problems. I am especially happy of the performance of the BMW i 50 and the AUDI e-tron GT .
In 1995, when I was a graduate student for Control Systems, this was a part of my special project and thesis work. I am happy to see it in the market. Everything is the same except the proximity sensors and touch screen.
I had a Ford Mondeo 7 years ago and the self park was brilliant. It got into gaps I never could. My Tesla is rubbish. I thought it was going to be much better. Very disappointed.
It hasn't changed since 2018 really, it's such a low priority feature for them at the moment as they continue to work on the self-driving tech. Once they decide the self-driving tech needs to park, that's when we'll see it get significantly better I would imagine. :)
Agreed, my partners 2014 Golf has self park and does it first time every time. What an embarrassment from Tesla.
@@VoxelLoop "Imagine" is an apt word to use when thinking about Tesla and self-driving tech
@@Destorrrrr Hype is another apt word for Tesla FSD as well along with expensive Beta testing.
Idk what teslas yall got my My 2022 model 3 works fine
• I liked the Audi system the best: you had to keep a button pressed while it's parking, kind of giving you some control or involvement. It also parked perfectly parallel. The beeps are a bit annoying.
• The BMW system was also spot on, parked beautifully parallel. While the press a button, let go and let the car do the rest it actually nice, I think with auto-parking being a new thing we might not be ready to give the car the complete control yet. That's why I think Audi's and Ford's system is good to by leaving some immediate control on the driver (well, I assume that the car would stop if the driver would release the button).
• Ford did a proper job with both parking scenarios, but didn't park as nicely parallel as Audi and BMW did. It tended to oversteer a bit.
• Tesla was a disappointment and it's probably overrated.
How about 45º angle parking? Can these cars manage that?
I would hope that the BMW simply links to the brake pedal as an emergency stop function. Which version is safer is up for debate. It isn't difficult to think of reasons for favouring each version. Whichever system is in place however, I suspect that if a driver sees something they are worried about, most will instinctively go for the brakes rather than release the switch.
For an example, we just have to look at the perpendicular parking test with the Audi getting a bit closer for comfort with that column, and the brakes being the control used to stop the car from continuing.
This is one of those things where both options are acceptable solutions, provided they function as expected.
@@damionlee7658 I agree, and would assume that the brake pedal functions as an 'abort mission' function. The one thing that car manufacturers would want to avoid 100% is running the car into other cars or objects. Tesla is obviously overzealous and even stops when there are pedestrians in sight.
WIth Audi's system I liked that they displayed how it's going to park the car, ie. the path overlayed on the screen.
I'd prefer a set-and-forget function like BMW's, but think that it's too early. Give us a few years and show us it's working and people would want that over Audi's one.
Would be interesting to know what happens when the driver hits the brake pedal during the self-parking procedure: Will it completely abort the procedure or would the driver have the option to continue?
BMW has better parking assistant experience.
It always scans left and right side if you're driving under 35 km/h, so you don't have to start the parking assistant manually, it will show a P icon if it detected a parking space when you shift to R.
I would say the BMW did it best since ppl who use those type of functions like it being as easy as possible so a single button press and no beeping is preferred.
completely agree with your observations
Great video - managed to convince the wife to get the i4 because of this video - thank you brother, keep up the great work! /subbed
It's almost confounding how bad Tesla's self parking is. It's comically bad even when it does successfully park. A park job that can manually be done in a 5 seconds takes 20 anxiety inducing seconds when auto parked. And I so rarely see the prompt for auto park when going to park I forget that it's even a feature on the car.
It's because Tesla gives zero shits about self-park until FSD is solved. Once that gets closer, self-park will be a priority, but until then, it's just a gimmick that, frankly, isn't important to the autopilot teams.
Same LMAO, I used it once and never again
@@kjsdpgijn well they do advertise with it..
@@kjsdpgijn i doubt fsd will get approved within the next 5 years as a certificated autopilot technology
@@LukjoJak it definitely wont, they aren't even the highest ranking one out right now, then add a couple years of litigation after the fsd is all ironed out and ready for prime time
On the Tesla, you probably have to go into the settings to turn off "Alloy Wheel Rim Scuff Protection", then disable "Old Lady Park Simulation Mode" and finally use the tablet interface to lookup the timetable of the nearest bus to take you to the kerb.
Can't wait until my Model Y arrives, looks like hours of fun!
😂
The active feature is auto collision avoidance. Which Tesla automatically uses as a default condition in the latest FSD updates. Notice that the so-called parking gap for the test has the front boundary created by a car parked facing against the traffic flow, which is most certainly illegal. The tesla auto collision feature will not allow the Tesla to enter that zone without human taking full control of the vehicle.
@@feet_first Parking contrary to the direction of traffic in the UK, is only illegal at night. Though many don't seem to be aware of this.
@@djtaylorutube The point being that if the stationary car was turned around and the test repeated, the result will probably change. Simple to do. But the UA-cam testers are not problem solvers. It is totally illogical that the FSD team cannot park a car, in the circumstances presented to the FSD AI. The reason is clearly auto collision avoidance safety feature receiving priority. The UA-camrs are controlling the parked cars for the test, but they park the front car backwards, then blame tesla, generating clickbait and thousands of dumb comments. The clickbait should read Tesla's new auto-collision-avoidance feature works during auto parking. The Tesla is preventing fender benders for example when an unanticipated driver tries to steal the available parking space. The UA-camrs control for this event in the video using a stationary inexpensive land rover. The Tesla Ai does not assume the controlled safety conditions presented by the testers are in place. The UA-camrs are actively interfering in the test protocol, and are making uniformed human decisions.
@@feet_first I understand what you're saying about the AI model but it appears that it doesn't cope well with common UK parking. You can't control how others have parked therefore the car shouldn't assume perfect world.
My Model Y comes soon so I'm neither Tesla fan not hater. I think the right word here is "victim" :)
I had this on a BMW 330e, it worked great, and for setting off it got you out of roadside parking too.
Thanks for a well done and fun video
Having leased a model S and now an e-tron GT both have worked for me the difference being that with the model s it always had to go back and forth a dozen times to get it right meanwhile the etron always gets it in 1-2 goes. Don't know much about how they program the stuff but in the tesla it feels like the car is trying to adapt in the moment and relies solely on machine learning while the e-tron feels like its pre-calculated and gets it done in one swoop. Overall my confidence is 10x higher in the e-tron. The tesla always felt like it was hesitating in all of its actions.
Exactly, I don’t understand why Tesla wouldn’t use a algorithm on its own to collect data for the machine learning AI or pair the AI with a algorithm, it feels like the entire system relies on machine learning.
@@Exluto Because they have _no_ experience in building cars. Just becaue tech enthusiasts think Tesla is cool, does not make Tesla cool.
Etron means turd in french 🥲
@@ulukai_555 It's a fantastic turd that's for sure! Parks very well, comfortable ride, and nice acceleration.
I've ridden and drove one before and I was blown away.
Relying on a singular system is idiotic because it's the only fail point.
Tesla relies solely on machine learning and it shows. They should've made an algorithm to pre-calculate just like Audi and BMW and THEN layer machine learning atop of that.
Machine learning is only as effective and precise as the data you give it to train on. It's you train it on a bunch of subpar parallel parkers, it'll park in a subpar fashion.
That parallel self park is amazing on the BMW. Idk what I would do without it, Miami is full of parallel parking spots.
I used it once for fun, loved it so much, now I use it all the time. It’s brilliant
You could just learn how to parallel park.. one hour of practice and you'll feel as good as a European
@@il-conte found the buzz kill 😐
Honestly I used the self park maybe the first week I got my BMW because it was a nice gimmick but after that I've never touched it again. Found it quicker to just do it myself. Although after watching this video I might use it for parallel parking more often. 😂
"Idk what I would do without it" Maybe learn to parallel park yourself? lol 😝
Self parking has been around and worked well for over a decade on most cars. Tesla got some catching up to do
I love how his nervousness with the most reliable cars quickly resolves to boredom and bemusement with the least reliable auto-park system.
I have an Audi with this feature and it’s exceptional. I never park it myself, no point, the car always gets extremely tight to the curb without ever touching it, and perfectly straight.
Lucky You 😇
You're living the dream my friend!
We are becoming so dependent on these tech that I fear at some point driving would become a lost art. I mean part of the reason for owning and driving a car is to enjoy the experience of driving and not let the car do everything for you.
@@geralt36 not everyone is a car enthusiast. If I could let my car drive fully for me, I would do it in a heartbeat. 99% of the time I couldn’t care less for the ‘driving experience’. City driving isn’t thrilling, nor is highway driving or parking. Who cares if people don’t know how to park their car if the car can do it better than most of the population ever will.
The Audi crushed this demo. 👍
I have to admit to being a Tesla Fan boy, but that was hilarious. Nice one Richard 👍🏼
Here is their focus. Just released 10.69 Beta FSD
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yes same definitely an eye opener
If you were a fanboi, your comment would have been attacking Richard for daring criticize God Emperor Elon. Therefore you are just a normal sane driver who happens to drive a Tesla.
I am a Tesla fan boy as well, but instead of hilarious, I think it's sad.
@@petemiller519 it really is
i’m starting to look at that new bmw i4
or even the i3
but seems like the only thing is keep me with tesla is that charging network
I got a VW Golf Plus from 2016, it comes with "self parking" means it steers for you and you have to manage gas and breakes. But It is still impressive that this technology was aviable in 2016 and was perfected/improoved since then.
Great video. Loved it. :D
One thing did trip me up a bit. I am not an car person and it would have been much easier to follow what belonged with what if the order of parking was the same.
I've never used or owned a car with this function but still enjoyed this. Thank you.
@@katrinvogel6902 thats not true.. you will NEVER use it haha
Had in 2 of my cars used it only when showing to my friends and family
@@Tobi3425 so it's just bloat to make it more expensive. like almost everything they added to cars since 2010. nice. i lost count of how many times "safety features" like abs, STM and other sorts of bullshit tried to kill me. ABS is the worst offender. can't turn this shit off entirely and offroad it literally takes all braking from you on sand and mud. i almost fell off a bridge into a river because of it. thank god for the leaver e-brake in my car. THAT'S a safety feature. ABS took all my regular braking going downhill, so that was all i had left.
i'd rather not have these stupid features at all. only electronic braking and traction distribution since i can't have manual control over that anyway.
Did not expect the Tesla to do so poorly. A Mercedes I got to drive nearly 7 years ago got auto park flawlessly and that was an ICE vehicle. Not even a super high end one, it was like 45k at the time.
Idk man I have the current c43 auto drive stuff and almost crashed with it cause it won’t stay in the same lane without cars in front of the mercedes
That's the thing with the Tesla brand, people think it can do things that other manufacturers can't, but instead it is the Tesla can't do things that even the most basic legacy auto maker has mastered years ago. Tesla is nothing more but an electric Camry with a fancy tablet.
@@mohgujai Then why are Teslas so popular and why do people buy them?
@@sakshamsanwaria7486 brand, people think it's so advanced and do amazing things, also incentives in many countries. The rich don't buy Tesla, they buy Audi and EQS and iX.
@@mohgujai Teslas are affordable though as far as EV categories are concerned too. My friend has one and he finds it decent though. But now I am understanding that Teslas doesn't justify its stock price. There is goona be a lot of competition when cheap EVs come pouring in
I haven't looked at new cars for damn near 13 years. Crazy how far they've come.👀
I did not laugh so much from a long time. Thank you :)
It never gets old watching Tesla fail at things normal manufacturers figured out years ago.
A base model holden (vauxhaul) commodore from 2013 can auto park basically perfectly every time. Granted you have to shift, and control the brake, but it does the steering for you, which is the hard part, and tells you when to stop, when to shift etc. But they came out on the absolute base model, and every model above.
Tesla is apple of cars, status symbol, overpriced, ugly design, will update features years after others have already done.
And it also never seems to get old how people trying to find every reason why its so bad. Its more like trend, and theres a clear reason behind it.. EU manufacturers got stepped over..
@@OriginalThisAndThat Huh? People don't have to look for very long. When your body panels don't align, half of the parts are trying to fall off fresh out of the factory, the software that was supposedly ready to go in 2016 still kills people regularly, and you have to wait years upon years to get a car you bought, you're definitely doing something wrong as an auto manufacturer.
But, didn't you get the memo??? Tesla is decades ahead of the competition.......according to Muskrats.
Got a 64 plate X4 that has semi self-park, does a pretty good job. It does the steering and acceleration I control the breaking. Impressed with the old tech. BMW are really good at self parking.
The early park assist was really funny. On some cars it only did the steering. You had todo the accelerator and brake.
The Ford and BMW systems both use Mobileye, they are the same systems but slightly tweaked. Tesla AP1, the one that actually parks well, uses an old version of Mobileye too. Later Tesla versions use Tesla's own hardware and software, which is why its actually worse. The reason Elon moved away from Mobileye was because he wanted to market the cars as self driving, and Mobileye refused to do that due to safety. When AP2 came out, to nobodies surprise a bunch of Tesla's crashed and killed the drivers.
I think that you should have tried the Mercedes-Benz self-park or park assist option. It is one of the best out there right now and does extremely well to keep your vehicle parked as close to the pavement/car as safely as possible.
The german brands did it exceptionally. The tesla and ford seem to push the front side closer to the curb
bit mean to the ford it may have gone close to the curb it was a lot, lot better than the Tes a
It’s easier to get the front end to the curb and it’s so typical of American parking that it’s kind of funny here.
I like your attitude. You are joyful and not hyping up TESLA FAILS, or making bold claims..
I own a Genesis GV70, and the self-parking is great. It was my first time owning a self-parking car and it was scary the first time.
i tried parallel parking in my Tesla Model 3 once. After it slammed the wheel into the sidewalk i decided that i will never use it again. Yes the cars can get OTA updates, but what good does it do if your patched car does worse than the 10 year old original?
I can't even get my m3 to initiate parking; It nearly never shows the icon on screen for the autopark.
If I understand the comments under the follow up video correctly Tesla removed the ‘parking in a large open space’ capability to implement a ‘parking by the lines capability’ that Mercedes Audi and BMW etc. I just fielded. Do anyone want an update that actually removes a function to add a related but not redundant function?
it's absolutely baffling how people think some US tech company with a master swindler as a CEO can do a better job in the automotive industry than 100+ year old car companies.
does anyone realize how freaking amazing this is? I work with these cars daily and yet it's absolutly mind blowing how the cameras can sense small things like the curb for example and translate it into a digital code
also you gotta love how they are trying it in-between all these new expensive cars, especially in the garage
They are using Lidar for that, that's why the older Tesla performed better, because they were still using Lidar, on newer models they rely exclusively on cameras.
@@AurelAvramescu really
? I didn't know that. I thought laser measuring was still mandatory for anything slightly autonomous...
@@Simon-bu4kc Tesla have made a point of advertising their cars are camera only now, no lidar/radar. Imo I think it's a mistake, probably cost savings driven, and clearly isn't having the effect Elon hopes it would have. In his opinion, driving is an all optical thing for humans, so apparently that makes sense for the car itself too. And apparently merging sensors and video is hard, so they cut that.
What they should have done is just solve the problem of mixed sensors. It's being done in other AI systems outside Tesla. But I'm no Elon so 🤷♂️
Edit: I would also think, simply more data for the AI to confirm/deny it's assumptions about the world thru cameras via lidar would be so much better short term until they truly have got the visual system down pat, then cut them.
@@260Xander Yup - & as a result, non-LIDAR Teslas apparently can't discern motorbikes - & drive into them.
There's nothing incredible, my 2011 VW cc had this feature
Sometimes, in extremely tight spaces and in narrow streets, the best strategy in order to park quickly is to actually touch the curb the first time in reverse, and then correct with a full turn of the wheel and a slight move frontwards. Then another full turn on the opposite side and backwards and voila!. It doesn't end successfully every time, but it gives you better chances.
17:42 you can even hear the seagulls laughing in the background😂
I own a BMW i4 eDrive 40 with all the optional extras on it. I must admit I have never used the self parking facility because I like to park the car myself but I am so glad that I have learnt from this video that it actually works.
Who cares about your preferences? You've already paid for that function ))) Did you have an option not to include it and pay less?
It would have been interesting to see the Mercedes’ EQS with all wheel steering attempt that test too 😆 😂
I find my EQC self park a bit scary with its ramming-speed and then slam on the anchors approach to the manoeuvre…
I swear if you drive Eqs then you will know how Tesla is overrated,i had a test dtive both, they are distance apart in a luxury and handling eqs its far better,only advantage of tesla its 0-60 in 2 sec.
@@albatrose9865 EQS is kinda like double the price of the starter Tesla tho
@@Yannister different it's 10k pound compare to model s plaid.
@@albatrose9865 but the EQS looks waaaay to futuristic (not in a good way)
I first used self parking in a 2007 Prius. It worked really well. Used it a few times then never used it. Parking in tight spaces is part of living in London.
Would love to see parallel parking tests when one of the stationary cars is parked further away from the curb. Wondering if it is using the curb as the guide or tha parked vehicle?
I've seen some tesla park fails before but I didn't expect they actually went backwards from the old system with the fsd trying to park and failing.
The parallel parking results really surprised me! Did not expect that at all, because in my mind the favourite was supposed to dominate the parking performance.
The second parking was even worse and I couldn't believe it.
Thanks for comparing these cars.
My 2020 Ford Escape SE has that function in it. I don’t used it at all. Last summer that I did parallel parked it between my 2 neighbors but, I did pulled into the spot w/o hitting them. I pulled in with the front end. I did it so perfectly between their cars. I even told my neighbor above me that I was in front of her car. I did say anything towards my other neighbor because that I don’t liked him because he gave me a snobbish looked on his face when I seen him. He moved away. I’m very sweet and friendly person. I will say hi or hello or a friendly wave. His son does say hi or even talked to me. I do talked to my neighbors in a friendly matter.
Since you're located in Europe, can you please also compare lane keeping capabilities? Autopilot vs the others? My experience is that it's similar results in that area, Tesla is supposed to be the best but falls short with lots of phantom breaking and generally being more nervous and jumpy - but it would be cool to see what your experiences are
Cool suggestion. As a fairly long term Tesla owner now going on 5-6 years i can definitely feel the autopilot has got WORSE over that time. The issue is when it was 'dumb' and only focussed on keeping you in the lane, it is easy for it and did it easily. Then as they started asking more from it like auto lane changing and detecting more types of situations, it started getting more confused and started doing a lot more of those phantom braking situations and whatnot. The lane keeping is still basically perfect but the phantom braking and just random braking is really annoying and requires you to keep your foot on the accelerator attentively incase it brakes so you can accelerate to over rule it.
I can tell you that my MY with enhanced auto pilot it’s an absolute dream when there’s zero traffic on the motorway. In light traffic it just about does okay, in heavy traffic it simply too dangerous to use. In Stop start traffic it will induce vomiting as it leaves breaking to the last minute and then jerks you as it accelerates way too hard to catch up with the traffic which is moving at 2 miles an hour. All my previous cars (well the Volvo and BMW which had similar functions) was simply superior to Tesla. All that said I wouldn’t swap my Tesla for any of my previous ICE cars.
@@supaahflyy I would disagree with you about the lane keeping being perfect -- because of one simple thing that makes absolutely no sense. My Model S is always hugging one side of the lane or the other, even where there's a car or semi! right beside me. I could almost understand this IF it wasn't accurately seeing where the lane markers were (tho this would be a huge, but different problem altogether). But -- it's accurately drawing the lanes on the instrument panel and displaying itself hugging the side of the lane! So, it knows exactly where it is, and still doesn't make a correction, to move away from that 60 foot, 80,0000 pound killing machine that only has to wander a couple feet my direction to cause a disaster. Doesn't make any sense. And far from "perfect".
@@stuartmann589 Would you swap if your previous volvo or BMW went electric? I am just trying to gauge if you like your car because it is Tesla or because it is electric.
@@05gauravs I like many other features in the car a lot, and the storage in and around the car is phenomenal. I'm not a Tesla fan boy but owning it does put a little bit of a smile on my face. On long journeys the supercharger network is incredible. I probably wouldn't go back to BMWs - but the Volvo EX90 is compelling. My 2018 XC 90 was probably the most comfortable car I've ever owned. I could drive for days in that thing and hop out fresh as a daisy. A couple of hours and the BMWs were enough for me. In terms of comfort the Model Y is probably somewhere in between the two, which isn't saying much for the firmness of my BMWs (even with adaptive suspension). Probably my main concern switching to non-Tesla would be the lack of reliable charging networks.
Audi really impressed me. I wasn't excited about thinking of owning an electric car, but this particular one is stuck in my head now. Somehow I even accept and like not hearing the engine / exhaust, while in other electric cars I would've missed that. That exterior, interior, self-parking and everything... it's beautiful.
My dad had a 2014 passat with self parking and it was really good, got us into some really tight spots
got you into or out of?
For the tesla in the multistory carpark you have to swing slightly into and then out of the gap. (As if you are starting the actual parking in that gap). It should recognize you are trying to park and then take over. I did that with my 2020 MX and it worked every time.
Thanks for another great video, especially seeing the fun you had! I’ve read the first 50 or so comments, and agree 95% with 95% of these comments. As Elon would famously say… “room for improvement”.
Love the self park feature on my BMW!
At first I thought it was redundant but once I tried it, got the hang of it and realized the only times I’ve wrecked my parking manoeuvres was when other drivers behind me would get impatient, I’ve started using it every time when parking on crowded streets. That AND the automatic backup assistance are amazing.
I hate parallel parking with or without the feature in my car, not because it's hard but because of other idiots on the road. Open spot on the right, indicate toward the spot, drive past it, stop and the idiot behind will be hugging your bumper so you can't reverse. Every single damn time.
Gah. I hate those other drivers. You signal... You start to reverse then they come up and lay on the horn at you... I can't wait till they do that next time q cop is nearby😈. I have the right of way not them😏
Interesting vid. Very impressed with the Audi and Bimmer (Let's not talk about the "mustang"). Tesla really dropped the ball. Maybe it needs a British setting/mode.
I consider myself a pretty good parallel parker, but my new ID. Buzz automatic parking is just insanely good so far.
I have been using Tesla’s autopark in my model 3 regularly for both perpendicular and parallel parking over the last 3 years. It used to behave much as the others here do (steady, mechanistic) but became more “flaky” when they updated it to autopark between marked bay lines whether there is a vehicular gap or not. I suspect, as others have speculated,that, ironically, it’s currently more unreliable because it’s more sophisticated (baby steps along a learning curve). Mine seems to have improved over the course of regular use anyway, and I don’t ever recall it being as crap as what’s on display in this video.
Here is their focus. Just released 10.69 Beta FSD
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My model Y (advanced autopilot) is crap at parallel parking, takes ages shuffling back and forth, holding up traffic while it does so, and then often gives up. Its not so bad at 90 degree parking in multi-storey but is quite slow and hesitant. I hope it will be improved with an OTA update in due course.
Model Y is objectively ugly
@@roboticvenom1935 I thought it was pretty
@@mckaylee6222 for me it is
@@roboticvenom1935 No, it's subjectively ugly, in your idiotic opinion. I think it looks fine. It looks like any other SUV/Crossover, really. It's not that flashy, but looks a lot better than a lot of these BMW and Mercedes SUV's nowadays.
@@kjsdpgijn It looks like it was designed to have air intakes in the front but got its mouth sown shut. Human Centipede style
I’ve got a 2022 m240i. Only used the parking assist 3 times. All in car parks. First two times worked perfectly. The third time it parked fine but not between the parking space lines. Not sure how much it was affected by the way the other cars either side were parked
Excellent
Brilliant video and yes the Tesla is rubbish but it’s changed on mine since 2019 when it was really good. It definitely needs white lines for reverse parking or it won’t see the space and probably needs a line on the road for a parallel park as I believe it’s changed to cameras for parking and not ultrasonic sensors
On the road you do not need lines for parallel parking. But you do need lines to reverse park.
My frustration with self-parking has been going almost a whole car length beyond the space before it decides you can park in it. Meanwhile any cars behind you are on your tail getting angry and someone else has just driven forward into the space, mounting the curb and risking harm to anyone walking on the path in the process. I stopped using it as it's often quicker to park yourself.
that etron looks so good inside and out
I could imagine that the parking system from BMW and Audi (maybe even the Mustang) come from VDO.
That is the biggest german producer of car instruments and navigation systems (2 of my ex-colleagues went there). Would fit perfectly into their portfolio.
And when you have a specialized company concentrating on such tasks, over MANY car manufacturers, you combine all these experiences and are way faster way more efficient.
And you program more efficient: You design a general algorithm for each situation that is built that it is configurable over a parameter set. With that you can tell the manufacturer quickly "ey, to be able to do this and that, we need a little more of this and that", e.g 5 degrees more steering angle, or sensors placed where to be able to get 5 cm nearer.
I find your videos to be VERY INFORMATIVE and that means a lot to me. You supply GREAT CONTENT and it helps me (in my opinion) from a consumer standpoint to make the best informed decision on a current or future purchase. I live in the US and your videos are just refreshing to say the least. You point out things that most dealers wouldn't even tell you, do things to prep the cars before sale that most US dealers wouldn't and provide services that help the customer have a better customer experience overall. NOW THAT'S CUSTOMER SERVICE!!!!! The Audi e-Tron self parked well, but was just so noisy and I must admit it did get the tightest space to the curb (IMPRESSIVE). The BMW i4 M50 did it (IMO) twice perfectly and I would say Exactly in the same spot with same curb gap (REALLY IMPRESSED BY THAT)!!!! It actually caught me off guard. The Ford Mach-E did it perfectly as well, but I did notice that the front end curb space was closer than the rear.
NOW, The Tesla Model S (#1 Black) was downright horrible...it was almost like it was trying to figure out what to do "in the process" of actually parking and at one point...I was like ("is it learning as it parks??"). I think the amount of parking space makes a difference and the Year Model of the Tesla may play a factor in how much better it self parks (IMO). The "pedestrian" was somewhat annoying, but I can understand why it stops because the car is just being cautious. IF I BUY a Tesla Model S, it will DEFINITELY be an AP1 - Pre 2017 version because the self parking software was HELLA BETTER!!!! WOW, shocked the Tesla's didn't recognize the parking space inside the building whether it was the Model 3 or Model S. That Totally Disappointed ME!!!! Parallel Park: BMW, Audi, Ford, Tesla (AP1)
Inside Bldg - Back In - Park: Ford, Audi, BMW, XXTESLA(N/A)XX
Manufacturers should turn off the beeping when you use self parking. It does nothing than makes the user nervous lol
Bmw thinked about that
I think that's why BMW doesn't beep
Looks like the genius CEO might have been involved in the later versions of the autopilot :)
I had a 2015 Ford Fusion with a parking assist and at that point I had to work the gas in the brake but it did the steering on its own and I got to say 9 out of 10 times it was a perfect parking job. Although where I live there was not often a chance to parallel park
I have a new X3 and I have tried the auto parking on both bays and parallel and it has worked flawlessly so far, but a bit scary ! Trouble with auto parking is in very busy areas you are relying on the peo-ple behind you to be patient ! My mates AMG Merc however drove up a kerb with ultra low profile tyres and did some slight damage to the rim...
Fantastic video!! perfect. thanks. (You could make some timestamps in it to skip tot the specific sections in your video)
Wonderfull !
What an interesting vlog and omg Tesla ! That really surprised me. Watching all those clips my heart was in my mouth god knows how your nerves were doing it lol. Best wishes.
The Tesla attempt had me cracking up. I've tried this function on Model 3s in the past with actually impressive results but this was embarrassing. I wonder why it seemingly regressed so much?
Did you see the comment about how Tesla moved from the same tech Audi and Ford used to their own in 2017? I guess that's why. Disappointing tbh
It doesn't feel like Tesla is actively working on Enhanced AP features, and only on full self-driving. The car itself is a lot more capable.
i would assume it was the transition to only camera based sensing..
@@arthurzlol To be honest it doesn't make sense. AP is something basic, I mean how can someone make a car that drives itself but is not able to self park.
@@Blue2024_rs well , if you call it self drive when you have to be at the ready to grab the wheel in case it goes haywire.
I think it is a bit of a walk fest myself.
Damn that Silver Tesla is amazing. I would love to have one
my mate's 2018 Opel Astra parks just as well as any of these -- of course with some pedal input... but just as good
Totally agree, Tesla’s auto self parking is useless - i find it rarely even suggests it these days, and when it does usually makes a complete pigs ear out of the effort.
Tesla is useless
I've given up using it takes forever and doesn't make the park in the end. Real shame just like the entire FSD in the UK really. Heck it can't even read speed camera signs on the active motorways yet....
Here is their focus. Just released 10.69 Beta FSD
The parking is on the non-maintained branch of software. Guess what, it will be great at parking too, as it can drive confidently like this already:
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Sorry, but until they can actually fix basic functionality like auto park and until they actually address the phantom braking problem, I remain unconvinced.
And while auto park is merely a nuisance, phantom braking is an actual safety issue. I have little sympathy for the fanboys who attack NHTSA for investigating reports into phantom braking (and even less for Munro, who should damn well know how important safety in the car industry is). Particularly when personally I’ve had after several instances when phantom braking nearly caused someone to crash into my car on the motorway, and as a result I simply don’t use autopilot at all in heavier traffic. I have no interest in endangering my family because Elon and his team are not focusing on fixing problems.
And that’s after paying several thousand pounds for FSD.
@@kardy12 hold your foot above the go-go pedal. Push it immediately when an unwanted braking occurs.
Problem solved.
Thanks for the video Richard, I’m not surprised at all having previously owned self parking BMWs, Volvos and Audis - and now own a Tesla MY. Quite frankly I am extremely disappointed in the self parking capabilities of the Tesla. Enhanced auto pilot also induces vomiting in the stop start traffic in a way that the other cars did not. Still happy with the Tesla as an overall package, just really hope they improve these things sooner rather than later.
Here is their focus. Just released 10.69 Beta FSD
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Own y as well, adding to that it's really shitty wipers and bone breaking suspension
I think its wild that they make all these cars for the uk and Australian and Japanese market with the wheel on the "wrong side"
This is exactly what i expected. :)
My vw had it and it was really good, could get you into really tight spots. VAG group nailed their implementation.
Agreed. I had a 2018 gti and it auto parked pretty much flawlessly. My Tesla model 3 has given me to option once out of the 5 months I’ve had the car
They design cars for ages now, unlike Tesla, that's the problem.
@@yuuseir3391 I don’t think that’s totally the problem. We’re not talking about the general function of the car. VW’s couldn’t self park until like probably within the last 10 years if that. I just think it’s a bad look when it’s like look at this car of the future. It’s so smart and it looks like it’s having a severe malfunction while trying to use one of its “features”
VW has always made awesome and reliable cars. I dont understand why people hates it. Because Volkswagen sounds "cheap"? I drive VW Golf 2013 1.6 TDI 6-Gear Manual and its very trustfully car to drive and the steering wheel is strong and solid when turning. Only problem I can find is that when driving over 130 Km/h it feels little bit wobble to drive.
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My 2010 Golf VI already has self-parking, and I'm pretty sure it had been available on Audis for some time. Granted, I don't use it as it doesn't exactly inspire confidence, but the system works at least as well, if not better than on the Tesla.
I was amazed the Audi and BMW actually do have indicators. The parking was good as well. Another good video.
They must have roped the indicator fluids 😂 😆 😝
what is that screen on top of the steering wheel on the model 3? I thought they only came with the big centre one?
Also there are settings in autopark where you have to change thr setting. The settings are usually high like front and back end gap at certain inches.
It is a feature I have on both my VW & Audi, both very capable and work well, however like many people I never use it, not sure why! - I was surprised that the Tesla did not perform so well in your test.
The I4 in black at 20:48 just looks so awesome
A few times I tried to squeeze into an extremely small gap. It looked not much better than the Tesla parking, but when I saw that when I was straight in, I had not more than a hand width at the front and the back, I was quite satisfied with my performance.
I cannot even understand it how it works at all. when you go in, you are diagonal, and that MUST be way longer than these two small gaps.
Nice. I've got the self-park on my new S5, I just never had the confidence to use it lol, didn't really get the need to street park much yet anyway but now I'm definitely looking forward to testing it out.
I mean if u are good at parking its bit of an gimic. But if I had a car with auto park I would use it for fun when I have free time.
I never parallel park, so I am not good lol so I’d probably use it just because it will do it better. But, I also would not like stopping and then the pause while I find the button and then the thing starts to reverse