Building like a muppet : Dyson Sphere program Ep2
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- Things have changed a fair bit more than I expected. Oil is no longer renewable. So that was my early power plan gone. I also have to figure out how to trash that base so we can stop worrying about attacks. That might take a little effort, I'm thinking cannon turrets are the way to go.
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Credits song - To Pass Time by Godmode
Build the most efficient intergalactic factory in space simulation strategy game Dyson Sphere Program! Harness the power of stars, collect resources, plan and design production lines and develop your interstellar factory from a small space workshop to a galaxy-wide industrial empire. - Ігри
You do get to know where they come from. First, you only have one fog base on that planet so they have to come from that, but more importantly if you look around at the horizon level, the attack circle is under the compass. As you spin around you can center it in your view and therefore know what direction they are coming from along with distance.
Missiles combined with signal towers can reach the whole planet. You can set up you missiles towers inside your base and add a single signal tower near their base and the missiles will destroy them. Other: burn refined oil instead of petrol.
Last: explosive units are throwable. And fun.
This comment is the truth.
to be fair, the point of the whole game is kind of collecting solar
I know you're inundated with tips, but I do have one piece of advice: beeline your research to logistics bots ('fidget spinners') and use those to automate a mall with basic buildings. Will save you hours of work in the long term.
Yep new tech he hasn't seen yet, pretty sure he'll be reaching it, but how doesn't love some Francispaghetti in the evening? 😂
I was introduced FJ from ONI community, but it seems that I just really enjoy this guy's gameplay style and commentary. Thank you for another great playthrough, FJ
The best early power is solar/wind + geothermals placed on the holes the dark fog bases leave behind when you destroy them.
I remember those old DSP videos, the push towards the transport towers was such a big help to see!
No Francis, the spaghetti doesn’t upset me /laughing
Missiles only have the listed range for direct fire. Once you have more tech, the sensor net you can build allows them to engage targets anywhere on the planet or out to DISTANT orbit of the planet.
Sure seems like the mall could have used a lane supplying cogs, in the end.
I'm pretty sure he did on his last run, guess he forgot? Maybe he'll add them later.
Or maybe they're too popular that a single line wouldn't be able to supply everything and it's more efficient to handle them individually.
@@diante50 Iron is already too popular, so having the extra cog line actually reduces the bottleneck since you can produce the cogs from a separate iron source and send a full iron line to the mall.
This is the first time I didn't want to hit the like button on one of your videos, but I refreshed the page and it said 70 instead of 69, so it was ok. Crisis averted
Polar solar panel setups are better than equator belts IMHO. The equator zone is the best place to set up factories, since its the largest space where the grid doesn't shift around. If you take all those solar panels and put them up by the poles, you get the same (possibly more) power, without wasting that precious equator real estate. Just my 2 cents 😀
Edit: Its also easier to set up, since you usually don't need as much foundation.
I actually use 4 belts right on the parralels where grid glitch occurs. You are not gonna use that line much, and it will separate areas where different blueprints should be used. You can integrate new energy tower there too - to create missile aim grid across all planet. And to do that, you probably could add equatorial belt with aim towers as well. Cmon, its only 3 tiles wide =)
@@sinner5452 yeah, I remembered that later that I’m usually setting up shield/sensor towers on the equator anyway 😂 probably doesn’t matter much anymore. Just personal preference.
You could put a storage on a splitter to automaticly insert it without an inserter. That was new to me when I started a new game after 3 years.
And you could also change the splitter layout with pressing the tab key. I found those information very useful.
Tips #2: During a raid the closest enemy unit is the dot at the top of the HUD, not super important right now as they will always go for the nearest energy producer (your solar belt) but bare in mind when expanding off world.. Battlefield buildings collect items dropped by enemies (including rares you cannot get anywhere else), they also have their own drones for repairing local buildings and rebuilding after destruction if it has any of that building in inventory or if you are close and have the destroyed building type on you (you can back-click in it's inventory to assign slots that it will ignore when connected to belts or adding a container plus fidget spinner bay to the top thus able to retain stock of and rebuild local building types.. They also help out massively when placing large blueprints and do a lot of the building for you.. Signal towers (the thing I couldn't remember the name of last vid, thanks to the comments) will allow ALL missile launchers on the entire planet to target anything in it's range, keep missile battery close-ish to reduce flight time and either place battlefield building or stay close to it to keep it (the signal tower) repaired. Destroying the enemy base will leave a hole in the ground you can fill (costs a LOT of soil but you do get a large pile when you destroy it) or place a magma power plant on it. The thing in the sky will remain there and occasionally rebuild it's base until plugged then will leave for a while before returning to place a new base 180 degrees from wherever you are standing at the time. Do not click the "Orbital" button on the missile launchers till ready to take on the space hive attacks.
If you destroy the base on your planet, it does "anger" them, but it's barely anything. Think fly level annoying if you're on normal settings. The problem is they will come back to your planet in a new spot. Eventually, they will just move on to other planets in the same system, making getting to those planets more of a pain to access. But you can use the hole those bases leave behind to generate energy with the thermal plants. Or just fill it in. If there's an exposed opening, they will keep trying to set up a base there.
Don't miss the achievement to travel to another star before unlocking warp. get all the speed upgrades first. or leave it running over night. bring lots of fuel as well as materials to build fuel refining on the other end.
Wind turbines are a good source of early power now. Once you research steel you can build them on water
puting solars on poles requires less panels and generates decent amout of energy. there is always polar day on one of them. It fluctuates a bit, but i imagine that ring around equator does the same :P And with enemies it should be easier to protect it. You just put one in very center of pole and then go in circles.
28:11 pff, ofc those are inserters. I'm with you (also 1,2k hours in factorio...)
But they’re not Inserters™
I always end up with build anxiety because I hate the idea of my mall looking "ugly". It feels like a weird thing to worry about but I can't help it. I usually wind up restarting after a while because I can't be bothered to rebuild everything over to make it look neat. In other words, that mall killed me.
Once upon a time, someone said "let's do Tetris, but on a sphere" and Tetrisphere was born. Some time later, someone said "let's do Factorio, but on a sphere" and Dyson Sphere Program was born.
This is hella messy and he hasn't even started on proliferators T_T.
I personally like the wind power. I place them on the grid line intersections for even spacing and they act like a convenient power pole extension I can spread across the whole map. Solar is much denser if you want to have it connect.
I had to go watch a Nilaus video as a palate cleanser. Always fun watching you play like a normal person.
really there's no point trying to make a super-tidy factory until you get planetary logistics. it's such an organisational game changer than everything you make before that is throw-away work.
Just a heads up, one thing they've changed is that once you have researched steel smelting you can place wind turbines on water. Meaning you can just chuck a ton of them in an ocean and get a bunch of power out of somewhere it would be annoying to build anyway. That's usually enough power for me to get off planet so I can mine the silicon instead of using the stone recipe.
You should definitely look into solar sails as soon as possible, as they are a fantastic early game power source. Just with the research unlocking the solar sails, a single solar sail is worth between about 60 and 110 MJ over it's 90 minute lifetime depending on the continuous reception of the receiver. So launching 1/s gives 60-110 MW of power (about 6 launchers at 50% uptime and 8 ray receivers). This scales up with research into sail duration and reception efficiency very well, going to around 160MJ with all the yellow matrix upgrades, and around 250MJ with all the purple matrix upgrades. Receivers on the poles can get reliable 100% continuous reception quite easily.
I hope you'll check the unlocked "military" buildings. They might be helpful to handle/deal with the enemy.
Cool to watch you rediscover this game.
I miss you Beejeebus
The best early game power is a Dyson sphere. Just hand crank everything until you can get one.
Instead of an equatorial solar belt, you could just solar the poles of the planet.
Thank God I'm not the only one that thought abou that
I generally made wind generator caps on both poles of every planet I landed on. Cheap as shit, and good enough for all but heavy production.
I haven't played since they added Dark Fog, but it sure seems like they would be susceptible to a ring of turrets cutting off all their avenues of attack. Then just pipe the bullets up there and tune in every attack to just watch the fun?
I love me some spaghetti
An alternative design for a mall is all the lanes placed parallel to each other at height 1 and beside the belt block a line of assemblers making whatever you need. Use an alternative splitter shape to split off from the main belt
It terrifies me every time you say it's been three years since you played, but then I remember, I have a three year old, and then the lost years make sense...
missle turrets + battlefeild analysis for the win...missle turrets can fire across planet to anything in view of a battlefield analysis station
The dark fog do drop resources when you kill them that you or a battlefield analyst planner can pick up.
@Francis John - I believe they will always take the shortest route from them to your base. If your on the exact opposite side it makes it harder to anticipate, but if you make a forward base with defences, they should always go for that, assuming it is closer.
You need to get the command center, missiles towers and place signal towers near the dark fog just so you can aggro and start farming for soil and other resources.
On your production line get the dron hub and drones, as well as the proliferators going on your main lines and on your science!
The last time I created a 'mall' in this game (was before Dark Fog was added) I made it at one of the poles. Think it was the first thicker line away from the very top, which left space for the logistics tower (the advanced inter-star-system one) at the very pole. Made expanding into other systems a lot easier, cos I'd feed the most advanced basics (belts, miners, splitters, etc) into it with some warp cores and take an advanced tower with me so that I can throw that down on the planet I happen to be on and get resupplied with whatever I need more of. The only annoying part was upgrading the mall each time I got a new level in something (e.g. when unlocking tier 3 belts).
Mass wind, as long as you automate turbine production, and have steel research done so they're placeable on water, is very viable for early game/outposts.
Francis, 0.1 per second is the final oil rate. You can still get infinite generation from them, initially.
I'm fairly certain, it always reduced oil output? But it didn't tell you the rate of degradation
Crude oil is supposedly still infinite, it's just that the production rate keeps lowering until it reaches 0.1/s, according to some wiki comments. I don't know if the mining productivity research boosts that, but I suspect it does.
Up to a 0.2 per second, as I recall. And it was that way years ago, too.
I'm pretty sure I've been playing since the beginning, and I don't remember oil ever being infinite. Maybe a very brief time when it was first introduced? It becomes infinite once you get Vein Utilization to a high enough level. But your starter planet will be long out by then.
It's always been infinite. It goes down to 0.1 per second, 0.2 per second with upgrades.
Before you have signal power, it will go to the place with highest power consumptions (not your generator!)
9:50 I'm kinda hurting.... placing a single solar panel, with more available..... I do hope FJ figures out the "drag'n drop" function for constructing buildings 😅 (edit: FJ did drag some panels later on. Maybe my eyes decieved me on having more panels earlier?) (one of the many quality of life implementations since FJ last had a YT series. Mini-blueprints is also a great one; place one building, set it's recipe, place sorters and belts, then copy the fully set up building, and drag'n drop. Makes building larger factories early game a breeze) (edit2: 20:40 showing exactly this. Woopwoop \○/ )
19:30 guess FJ forgot about one crucial science topic: X-Ray Cracking. Should be the very first to be researched with Red cubes, as it drastically reduces coal consumption, freeing those veins up for expansion of other aspects (missiles *winkwink*)
Pollution means progress!
I know you just started this and I'm all for it but I'm not sure if you know about Stationeer. I recently discovered it through Largely Unemployed and I would absolutely watch you play this. Brutal difficulty is a cool time challenge that I think your narration would really mesh well with. Love your videos!
Fine
Sun Belt.
Oil has always been that way
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haha you call it ugly i call it refreshing, everyone ultimately builds in the same way.
Not just spaghetti but inter continental (?) Spaghetti!
Wonder how long you'll stick with that.
What i will say though: logistic fidget spinners plus Splitters with storage boxes on top (plus a "hat") are great buffers and work well with one stop shops.
There is a building that gives your missile turrets full planet range...
I figure that asthetics aren't as important as speed when it comes to getting started. On future planets where you can plan properly, yeah I would start feeling OCD about it.
Run your buildings from left/right versus up/down.
Notice that Dark fog units drop resources. Free money if you figure out how to grab it properly!
Will see if you discover it, but your power problems can be greatly helped by the fog of all things.
Have you tried Satisfactory? This game gives me vibes from it.
Get the signal tower.
I'm curious if you'll check out Amazing Cultivation Simulator. I haven't played it myself, but it's been described as Rimworld meets Kung Fu Panda.
Do u have rec on a game sim to oni where u can build big things from little things
cute little game refused to go on anything under a 30% sale, had to pass :)
like riding a bike...with square wheels? 🤔
We’re has Dyson sphere gone … two episodes ??
Show me the muppet.
This might not work and I never played this but why wouldn't you just put turrets around the spawn?
The constant lament in this video is why I hate 'planetary' games like this and Planetary Annihilation. Scale just feels so stupid.
Yeah.... 1st....❤ Hey Francis. Say hi man....
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If you are in need of tips or idea the youtube channel nilaus has a good max difficulty playthrough where i learned a lot