BMW went for a retro look, like the E30. It was a very bad attempt Imo. It’s the rear end for me. It’s horrible looking. And now that owners have started modding them to make them look better, people are starting to like the look of it. Well, an exterior shouldn’t need to be immediately modded for it to look good. 🤷♂️
Its so funny with the internet nowadays. When a new design is being presented, the antisocial media goes absolutely nuts. Pure hate, aggression even. And after writing an essay about how ugly it is, next thing people do is try to buy one.
I love the stock seats and the multi color leather a lot better than those plain Recaro's. That was a downgrade. Everything else is cool and I love the gold wheels with the blue.
I love the stock bucket seats, looks modern and keeps you in place and is also great for my lower back 😃 The Recaro seats are personal preference I guess and for Nick, it helps achieve his vision. This is better than the sofa seats from BMW I think 😃🙌
Hopefully I can get one of these cars someday and add the Alpha-N spoiler wing, and Cosmis xt-500r wheels. Cosmis racing wheels and Weld racing Ventura S104 are the best rims you can add to a car. Blue and violet are two of m favorite colors, so I would add a color shift.
The G87 M2 is amazimg and people hate it for no reason. I actually like it more than the M4. Less people will have an M2 as welll. I wish I had money for one. Add the Alpha-N spoiler wing and better wheels/rims, and the car looks incredible. People just don't know how to make cars look better. Simple modifications will fix anything. Thw biggest problem is they showcased the M2 with all blavk wheels. Most people will disagree with me, but entirely all black wheels look terrible. Why? It doesn't look goos from a design perspective. The rims blend it with the tire itaelf, and if there are any unique lines or shapes in the wheel, no one will be able to see it. It makes the wheel look invisible, or it looka like one giant solid tire with no rims. Too many people are trying to do the blacked out. I don't know if it is an attempt to have a black ops car or what. My favorite style of wheels are black witht he machine lip, chrome, or polished edge. So it's shiny and sparkles. Cosmis racing xt-005r, cosmis racing xt-006r, and Weld racing Ventura S104 are my favorite wheels. They look the best on any car.
Thank you for the comment and watching the video. I agree with your about black wheels. There is one practical reason black wheels would make sense and that’s likely track use. Black is a lot more forgiving from all the beating the wheels would take on track. The black wheels on my GT3RS has so many stone chips on it and because it’s black you don’t really see it 😃 Great wheel choices BTW 🙌😃
The rollers were done using an Osmo Pocket 3 (great travel camera for rollers, I typically use the big rig for even more dynamic range) All the B-roll was captured with a combination of Sony a7IV and Sony A7SIII
amazing build. Think I need to do the CDV delete on mine for better shifts... I know Nick said he wants a porsche next, but as someone who owned both a g87 and a 911 turbo at the same time, I actually prefer the g87 in a lot of ways, especially with the different ways you can mod it and make it your own.
Yeah the M2/M3/M4 are great platforms to mod. With a 911, there ain’t much you can do before it starts to look too tacky. Wheels and some aero bits and that’s it. The 7-speed manual in a 911 leaves much to be desired. The 6-speed from BMW is tuned nice and more fun IMO.
@@thedevthing agreed. i owned a 991.2 gts 7 speed and i prefer the bmw 6 speed tbh... i also owned a gt4 6 speed which is prob the best transmission in a vacuum, but it wouldn't match the vibe of a g8x, which is so sublime and smooth, not as raw as a gt porsche car.
@@thedevthing the most important thing is the manual gearbox and shortshifter, anyone who can really drive will choose the manual and see all the most powerful cars now, the manual Carrera GT Cosmos is back
The wheels are from @VTforged You can reach out to the owner instagram.com/click_id/ or contact the VTForged on IG, they are very active there and would be able to answer your questions. instagram.com/vtforged/
Stock for sure maybe, to many eyes . With some mods I think it looks great. It’s not 911 or Aston Martin pretty, but this car is not trying to be any of those 😂
Awesome video, subbed! Sorry if I missed it, but is it wrapped? I think he said the shade of blue, but I haven't seen that as an option for the G87! Thanks :)
what does he mean "everybody took parts bin parts -- built a car. and, then marketing -- and this is internal, like this is a thing -- internal figured that out, and extended their parts book to basically, make cars so, consumers can now do this. and they've done it. and we've done it."
Manufacturers leave room on the table to improve the car even more after initial launch. So OEM could make a CS or CSL and aftermarket can start creating products to fill the void. It essentially creates a strong ecosystem for OEMs and aftermarket companies
OK, he said if you don't by the M3 comp, you'll have 40k to throw at the car.. Is it a youtuber thing trying to grow the channel? You throw 40k into a car, chances are, your losing half or all of it when you sell it. The guy I bought my C7 Corvette from, had a supercharger and a 2k axel back exhaust put on it. I got the car for the same price as a totally stock Vette. What color is the car? Is that a wrap? It looks like Voodoo blue. You can order many more colors on the 25's. Voodoo blue is one of them.
I think the point he is trying to make is that there is a $$ delta between the M2 and M3. That delta can be used to mod the car, which many find interesting and fun to do. Alternatively you can max out your budget on an M3 and not mod for some time. 😃🙌 His M2 is a wrap, now yeah we have new colors which is cool.
@@ndacosta2yeah, but you can also find a base M3/4 too, that doesn’t cost $100k lol. You can’t make the argument that the M2 is $40k cheaper when you compare a top spec M3/4 to a bottom spec M2 lol. That’s apples to oranges. So when comparing apples to apples, the M2 isn’t $40k cheaper.
💯 the key is to mod the car in such a way that it does not take away from the driving experience. Stuff we have done so far has improved the driving feel and made the car look better than stock.
Thanks for the reply, the point I was making that a lot of reviews focus on mods which is fine , but don’t seem to talk about how the car drives, driving dynamics , break feel handling traction etc, have driven the G87 Manual they are a real fun car, PS luv the mods 👍.
@@noahfagan3727 you got the extra 2k to get protective film solutions to do it lol, cause I didn’t 🤣 Plus I’ll likely remove it at the end of fall. Thanks for watching
For me the way I looked at is that. Beggars can’t be choosers. I am just glad BMW is still making manuals. The best manual IMO is the GT3 manual, it’s pure perfection 😃🙌💪
Me gustaba mas el tuyo.. Este hoy vi uno negro, bonito racing.. No lo tendria.. Demasiado llamativo, no soy de "postureo" y no digo que no sea racing es top, iria mas comodo con algo menos visual pero si igual de prestacional.. Se le ve super ancho, esteticamente muy bonito, peeero atrae miradas..
Sorry ale te felgi są brzydkie nie pasują do tego samochodu a tym bardziej ten setup przód mniejsze a tył większe moim zdaniem te koła się chowają i szpecą... psując całokształt wyglądu brakuję tego czegoś tego wow.
Some like the sharp edges, it makes it look more muscular. But I am sure they will change the look dramatically with the next generation of they still make them 😅😃
![Immediately Modifying a Brand New 2024 BMW M2! [COMPLETE TRANSFORMATION]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/XGxfHPpMQ6Y/mqdefault.jpg)
Best tastefully modded M2 I've seen.
I can do better if I had one. It looks cool though.
There is always more to do 😃 it’s a matter of how much $$$ you want to throw at it 😃🙌
@@bikotheanimator6169 then do it
I agree, that’s a really good Build.
"I haven't washed these rims in 3 weeks"
Lord have mercy, that is a flex and a half right there. Thanks for the brake pad recommendation!
@@radglitch7233 hahahahha thanks brother. It’s the little things. Thanks for noticing.
I must be in the minority because I actually like the look of G87 M2 from the start, much better looking than the bucktooth M3/M4.
100% agree
It's the rear end that many people dislike!
@@speeddemon311 i don't get why imo rear looks better than f87
@@karolmaciejewski340 Boxy design doesn't look as appealing to some people!
BMW went for a retro look, like the E30. It was a very bad attempt Imo. It’s the rear end for me. It’s horrible looking. And now that owners have started modding them to make them look better, people are starting to like the look of it. Well, an exterior shouldn’t need to be immediately modded for it to look good. 🤷♂️
The new M2 just looks so off to me but this build has changed my mind, its very beautiful.
That’s amazing. All sports cars seem like it needs a little aftermarket treatment to complete the look. 😃😃
Thank you for watching the video 😃🙌🙏
Extremely clean build
build? lol
That’s a sick M2. Pure 🔥😎💪🏼👍🏼
🙌😃💯💪
Loving the nod to the E46 CSL! Lovely build and great video guys! 🔥
Thank you for making the cool aero bits 💪😃🙌
Stance and fitment is ON Point !
This is exactly how BMW should have made these look. Absolutely perfect
dude, thanks so much!
💯💪😃
Beautiful M2! Congrats on the build. Looks amazing, and unique for sure.
🙌😃💪thank you for watching 😃
I have to say the M2 has really grown on me. I dare say the best-looking M car currently.
I like everything this car offers, likely the best value M-car for the money for sure 😃🙌💪
Best looking G87 Ive seen.
🙌😃💪
Incredible video! Happy to be a part of this build!
Glad you like the video. 🙌😃 great job with VTForged and look forward to future wheels 😃
Best looking current M car
💯😃🙌 with some mods it looks amazing 😃🙌💪
Its so funny with the internet nowadays. When a new design is being presented, the antisocial media goes absolutely nuts. Pure hate, aggression even. And after writing an essay about how ugly it is, next thing people do is try to buy one.
😂😂😃 so true. Someone in the comment told me to kill myself for owning one 🤦♂️
It’s hilarious 😂
Maybe people want to buy M2, just because it's a M2, they hate the looks and eventually they buy it despite that look?
Great build! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching! 🙏
Gorgeous!!! I just ordered mine and it will be here in November.
Amazing, congrats on the purchase. The wait is always the hardest part 😂😅😃
AWESOME STORY! Great looking G87!
Thanks for watching man. There is a lot of inspiration for G87 in that build. Shifter being one of them.
great choice!! This car looks 100% in person and in the flesh. Pictures don't do the car justice.
Thank you for watching 🙌😃🙏
Great video, mate, as ever👍 and what a nice look on the M2, both inside and outside. Nice guy, as well; car guys always get along 😃
@@daggidding4478 thank you for watching and the compliment!
Appreciate that 🙏😃🙌
I'm not a fan of Bimers, but this one here? Wow, modded just right and not obnoxious. Well done!
Appreciate you watching 😃💪🙌
beautiful car, and amazing sounds!
🙏🙌😃 thank you for watching 🙏
Beautiful car!! I need that shifter for my manual G87 M2! oh yeah and the pads...
💯💯 I want that shifter too 😃🙌
Quality video. Great rollers!
Thank you, I appreciate that 😃🙌🙏
I love the stock seats and the multi color leather a lot better than those plain Recaro's. That was a downgrade. Everything else is cool and I love the gold wheels with the blue.
I love the stock bucket seats, looks modern and keeps you in place and is also great for my lower back 😃
The Recaro seats are personal preference I guess and for Nick, it helps achieve his vision. This is better than the sofa seats from BMW I think 😃🙌
I want this car but with 20’s front and rear. Sweet ass ride.
This car might be up for sale 😃🙌
Amazing!! and Congrats on the content! Great Stuff!!
Thank you and I appreciate you watching and supporting the channel 🙏😃
Almost looks like a follow up to the 2020 CS.
🙌😃 I can’t wait to see what the G87 CS would looks like.
Hopefully I can get one of these cars someday and add the Alpha-N spoiler wing, and Cosmis xt-500r wheels. Cosmis racing wheels and Weld racing Ventura S104 are the best rims you can add to a car. Blue and violet are two of m favorite colors, so I would add a color shift.
@@bikotheanimator6169 sounds like an amazing build. Hope you can do it!
No Cosmis sucks. Volk, BBS, Work and Advan
Just do some Edelweiss wheels 😅 deep concave and super lightweight. Love the finishes and fitment 😃
Always love the M2 content whether its F87 or G87 keep it coming!
Amazing, thank you for watching the video 💪🙏😃🙌
@@thedevthing YOW M2 run 😉
Could be fun. When you thinking?
Just picked up a G87 stock and I like you colour so much more than the Zandvoort I got
Congrats on your G87 😃🙌
🔥 Awesome video as always!
Appreciate it! 🙏😃
The G87 M2 is amazimg and people hate it for no reason. I actually like it more than the M4. Less people will have an M2 as welll. I wish I had money for one. Add the Alpha-N spoiler wing and better wheels/rims, and the car looks incredible. People just don't know how to make cars look better. Simple modifications will fix anything. Thw biggest problem is they showcased the M2 with all blavk wheels. Most people will disagree with me, but entirely all black wheels look terrible. Why? It doesn't look goos from a design perspective. The rims blend it with the tire itaelf, and if there are any unique lines or shapes in the wheel, no one will be able to see it. It makes the wheel look invisible, or it looka like one giant solid tire with no rims. Too many people are trying to do the blacked out. I don't know if it is an attempt to have a black ops car or what. My favorite style of wheels are black witht he machine lip, chrome, or polished edge. So it's shiny and sparkles. Cosmis racing xt-005r, cosmis racing xt-006r, and Weld racing Ventura S104 are my favorite wheels. They look the best on any car.
Thank you for the comment and watching the video.
I agree with your about black wheels. There is one practical reason black wheels would make sense and that’s likely track use. Black is a lot more forgiving from all the beating the wheels would take on track. The black wheels on my GT3RS has so many stone chips on it and because it’s black you don’t really see it 😃
Great wheel choices BTW 🙌😃
Great car, great video! Congrats to both of you!!
That’s amazing. Thank you for watching 😃🙌💪
i have to ask... what are you guys filming these videos with ? Especially the rolling shots, they look so crisp. A hint ??
The rollers were done using an Osmo Pocket 3 (great travel camera for rollers, I typically use the big rig for even more dynamic range)
All the B-roll was captured with a combination of Sony a7IV and Sony A7SIII
Wow thats a quality videp
Thank you, I appreciate you watching it 😃🙌🙏
amazing build. Think I need to do the CDV delete on mine for better shifts... I know Nick said he wants a porsche next, but as someone who owned both a g87 and a 911 turbo at the same time, I actually prefer the g87 in a lot of ways, especially with the different ways you can mod it and make it your own.
Yeah the M2/M3/M4 are great platforms to mod. With a 911, there ain’t much you can do before it starts to look too tacky. Wheels and some aero bits and that’s it.
The 7-speed manual in a 911 leaves much to be desired. The 6-speed from BMW is tuned nice and more fun IMO.
@@thedevthing agreed. i owned a 991.2 gts 7 speed and i prefer the bmw 6 speed tbh... i also owned a gt4 6 speed which is prob the best transmission in a vacuum, but it wouldn't match the vibe of a g8x, which is so sublime and smooth, not as raw as a gt porsche car.
@js002003 a gt3 manual is the best manual I have ever driven 😃
Absolutely stunning without a doubt!!! Btw, who makes the exhaust and where could I purchase it? Thank you.
grailautomotive.de/
You can reach out to them directly over IG or check with Nick 😃🙌
He’s modded it to looked like the F87, and it looks great
Wait till you see some of the new aero parts for the g87 from @autoid 😃🙌 it’s going to be great
Nice to see stick shift on this car. I have the ‘21 G80 6MT
Manuals are becoming rare and rare and it’s great to enjoy it while we can. 💪😃🙌
You can order the car in Voodoo Blue in 2025, no wrap needed.
They are slowly getting new colors out. If they had individual paint at the time of ordering , I would have done that. 😅😃
This is Murican hotdog of BMW
😂🙌😃
Only thing its missing is paint matched calipers and clear taillights
That would be a good idea 👍 😃
Manual shortshifter end recaro is the best
💯💯 I want the short shifter 😃
I think the stock bucket seats are great. For those who didn’t get the BMW bucket seats the Recaro ones are amazing 😃
@@thedevthing the most important thing is the manual gearbox and shortshifter, anyone who can really drive will choose the manual and see all the most powerful cars now, the manual Carrera GT Cosmos is back
@@thedevthing and of course there's so much rear drive
and you can be afraid😅
@@Themis187 that’s it! We are a dying breed.
@@ndacosta2😅👍
Great video! May I know what is the rim and tire spec?
The wheels are from @VTforged
You can reach out to the owner instagram.com/click_id/
or contact the VTForged on IG, they are very active there and would be able to answer your questions. instagram.com/vtforged/
Great job on modding. This car looks amazing! Does the car takes corners now faster street/track than the stock setup or is it just better handling?
I think he would say yes. Not sure about track as I don’t think he has taken it yet. 😃🙌
@thedevthing yeah, I drove one and it handles superbly with great compliance even in it's stiffest setting.
Yeah I drive an f80 and like the new m2 better than the new 3 and 4
That’s a tough one. F80s are awesome. So much you can do with the platform.
I bet you G87 M2 will have a similar vibe in 2 to 3 more years. 💪😃
Very well done video, did you use the Osmo Pocket 3 for the 401/Trafalger rollers?
Thank you 🙌😃
Pocket 3 has been my go to for on the go rollers 😃
@thedevthing awesome, hope you're back in the GTA some time so we can chat a bit more. Keep up the good work
Appreciate that 😃🙌 no plans set currently. But I like to make 1 or 2 more trip to the GTA before summer end 😃🙌
What color is this car ?
I know it's blue. But what blue is this.
@@user-el9os7qs3x it’s inozetek’s “Laguna Seca Blue”
💪🙌😃
👊🏻🏁💨😍
Thank you for watching 😃🙏
Love the seats, if you dont mind me asking, what company did he get those seats from? looking to custom make some.
Beautiful car until you see the front and then all the excitement falls off!!
Stock for sure maybe, to many eyes . With some mods I think it looks great. It’s not 911 or Aston Martin pretty, but this car is not trying to be any of those 😂
Is that a Photoshop or did you actually change out your trunk lid to the one with a duckbill spoiler?
this is not my G87 M2, I am featuring another one from the G87 group.
Awesome video, subbed! Sorry if I missed it, but is it wrapped? I think he said the shade of blue, but I haven't seen that as an option for the G87! Thanks :)
Thank you for watching 😃🙌💪
It’s a wrap 😃
*puts it into first gear*
17:18
*starts it*
We discussed this before we filmed 😂😂
I always put it in gear before I start. It’s a habit, not sure where it came from.
Semi-retired at 35 what do you for a living?
I should have asked that question in the talking part 🤦♂️
Exhaust is a single equal valve tronic, or anything else special?
what does he mean "everybody took parts bin parts -- built a car. and, then marketing -- and this is internal, like this is a thing -- internal figured that out, and extended their parts book to basically, make cars so, consumers can now do this. and they've done it. and we've done it."
Manufacturers leave room on the table to improve the car even more after initial launch. So OEM could make a CS or CSL and aftermarket can start creating products to fill the void. It essentially creates a strong ecosystem for OEMs and aftermarket companies
OK, he said if you don't by the M3 comp, you'll have 40k to throw at the car.. Is it a youtuber thing trying to grow the channel? You throw 40k into a car, chances are, your losing half or all of it when you sell it. The guy I bought my C7 Corvette from, had a supercharger and a 2k axel back exhaust put on it. I got the car for the same price as a totally stock Vette.
What color is the car? Is that a wrap? It looks like Voodoo blue. You can order many more colors on the 25's. Voodoo blue is one of them.
I think the point he is trying to make is that there is a $$ delta between the M2 and M3. That delta can be used to mod the car, which many find interesting and fun to do. Alternatively you can max out your budget on an M3 and not mod for some time. 😃🙌
His M2 is a wrap, now yeah we have new colors which is cool.
40K more to get into a G80?? Maybe 20
Oh you could find a base and get that cheap. I’m thinking more comp with CCBs and buckets. Or even a CS. ( CND$ as well)
@@ndacosta2yeah, but you can also find a base M3/4 too, that doesn’t cost $100k lol. You can’t make the argument that the M2 is $40k cheaper when you compare a top spec M3/4 to a bottom spec M2 lol. That’s apples to oranges. So when comparing apples to apples, the M2 isn’t $40k cheaper.
@@JacesOwnWorld well it is your world, I’m just living it. 🤷 Sorry we can’t agree?
I guess the point was that with the M2 purchase over an M3/M4 you would have some change left over for mods to the M2. $20k or
how did he make his money? semi-retied already?
@@caivsivlivs lots of mistakes! But risk is the answer. Good luck!
What does he do for a living?
what are the wheels specs?
Sorry for the delay.
You can reach out to Nick directly here
instagram.com/click_id?igsh=MTJudWcxOW4wOHg5dg==
I don’t know the specs 😃🙌
Nice m2 but to say pioneer the platform is a little much homie
We all try to stand out 😃 it’s ok to have those aspirations. Looks like the car might be up for sale now 😃😅
Standard manual with carbon seats for me - sounds cheap now 😏
@@andrewprice9444 it’s really the most “practical” solution ahhaha
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder 😂😂
It’s not just about mods etc , how’s it drive 🤔
💯 the key is to mod the car in such a way that it does not take away from the driving experience. Stuff we have done so far has improved the driving feel and made the car look better than stock.
Thanks for the reply, the point I was making that a lot of reviews focus on mods which is fine , but don’t seem to talk about how the car drives, driving dynamics , break feel handling traction etc, have driven the G87 Manual they are a real fun car, PS luv the mods 👍.
@brentpowell7889 ahh ok, I get you now. Maybe a drive along could be a good addition to the videos.
You put it in gear then started it?
@@cognition26 @prabhul see I’m not alone!
Haha I always put it in gear before starting the car. Not sure why, that’s how I have always done it from the first manual I ever drove
Hey you cant use the blinquers if you are a proper bmw driver🙂↔️
😂😂 very true. 😂😂
Great car, but still think that grill makes it look like one of the pigs from Angry Birds.
They are some aggressive birds 🦅 😂😃
@@thedevthing Oh, those guys have issues! Haha.
But didn’t wrap the door jambs 🧐
@@noahfagan3727 you got the extra 2k to get protective film solutions to do it lol, cause I didn’t 🤣
Plus I’ll likely remove it at the end of fall. Thanks for watching
@@ndacosta2what wrap is this please ?
The stock manual transmission on the new m2 is pure shit
For me the way I looked at is that. Beggars can’t be choosers. I am just glad BMW is still making manuals.
The best manual IMO is the GT3 manual, it’s pure perfection 😃🙌💪
For sure it's better than f87 manual
Nice stance but needs a muffler
It does no? What am I missing. That centre muffler is there part of the exhaust system.
The premium German car made in Mexico
@@richardmesser1091 hola!!! At least she is El manual?!
It also means us NA customers get the car faster 😂
Me gustaba mas el tuyo..
Este hoy vi uno negro, bonito racing..
No lo tendria..
Demasiado llamativo, no soy de "postureo" y no digo que no sea racing es top, iria mas comodo con algo menos visual pero si igual de prestacional..
Se le ve super ancho, esteticamente muy bonito, peeero atrae miradas..
Sorry ale te felgi są brzydkie nie pasują do tego samochodu a tym bardziej ten setup przód mniejsze a tył większe moim zdaniem te koła się chowają i szpecą... psując całokształt wyglądu brakuję tego czegoś tego wow.
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I am sure everyone has a style they go after.
💪🙌😃 thank you for watching
Threw up in your mouth?
F87還是最美～
G世代的M2 線條剛硬 方方正正
設計師都被挖走了？外觀設計崩塌式下滑中
Some like the sharp edges, it makes it look more muscular. But I am sure they will change the look dramatically with the next generation of they still make them 😅😃
I mean, this is a pretty ordinary build. Not sure you would say it isn’t. Pretty standard mods across the board.
😂 ordinary is subjective I suppose 😂😃🙌
@@thedevthing misery loves company, guess he wants us to buy Golf’s?
What makes your build special?
Sorry to burst your bubble but it sounds raspy and "empty". But the rest of the car is superb.
Variety is the spice of life 😂
Everyone hears a little different 🙌😃😂
1 of the ugliest tail light design i've ever seen.
Maybe try looking at it by squinting or closing one eye. Does that change the look 😂😂😃🙌
@@thedevthing Thank you, now i see a naked woman 😆🍺
Hmmm, I am afraid to try now. 😂I don’t want to cheat on my wife 😂😂
Clearly a thoughtful build… but I just don’t like it, more of BMW’s fault
Thank you for the comment. It’s all subjective really 🙌😃
Damm crazy how new 230i has ambiente lighting but the M2 does not
Weight savings 😂😂 it’s heavy from factory. Nicks M2 has lost back seats, so likely room to get ambient lighting in 😂
I just can’t like the look of this m2. The first M2’s models looked great… this just looks ugly to me and a shit box
💩📦 😂😂
@@thedevthing F87 owner I presume lol!!
This is an exercise in ruining an M2
Glad you are able to learn from our mistakes 😃😂🙌
The most independle car. German engines
Dependable you mean? 😃