I like how people saw what he said in the intro and are responding to that because theyre too lazy to watch and realize he has the opposite opinion lmao
I wasn't even gonna argue even if he was actually stating that as a fact. Theres no way i was gonna get to ryujin in Tekken 7. Probably cuz i was still using devil jin after the final patch of t7 and it's basically impossible to get good dmg in but regardless, the fundamentals and reads were tripled at blue ranks in tekken 7
@@alexandermccalla5098 thats just not quite true. this is happening across all competitive games where players are getting better and better each year, theres more guides more resources to get better. There are players in tekken 8 that will peak garyu forever, and then theres some who will never touch red, or some who peak purple forever. as long as players get better, ranks will equalize
@@TheJackson4eva lmao bruhh this couldn't be far from the truth. It's games being developed more easier. The devs for Tekken 8 were LITERALLY stating in a nutshell "This time around, we want everyone to be winners, where newcomers could even possibly compete with pros" 💀. Countless videos about fighting games always putting the Tekken series before 8 coming out, as the most troublesome to get into because "its fckin hard" true words by an experienced fighters player lol. All these Triple A having "story mode" difficulties, multiplayers adding completely broken dlc characters for the cash intake, only months later to be patched. No one in todays gaming generation is "seeking/wanting" to get better at any game at all lol. In the end, this is a passtime for the majority and not a passion.
@@ricey3952 because people want rank instead of improving or even HAVING FUN, i deranked from fujin all the way to tenryu because i was tilted but im back to raijin, the noobs will plug after risk of demotion.
@@ricey3952Fragile mentality and low self-esteem. Many people in society are losers who need a self-esteem boost and conflate their rank with their worth. They’ll do anything, as long as it’s easy, to get that dopamine hit. It’s the same reason why they don’t achieve anything in life because hard work is kryptonite.
Yeah defo. When I got to Fujin rank with Devil Jin. (Now Raijin) It is COMPLETELY different game. The players are just absolutely nuts. And some of these players have skills of defense from T7 and adapted to T8s aggressive gameplay. They will melt anyone. If Tekken 7 was chess where you can take your time then T8 is speedchess where you have to make decisions in milliseconds. So more mistakes happen for pros/new players alike.
I really agree with this. There's a big skill gap between Battle Ruler and Fujin/ Raijin in my experience. It's like if you're not truly skilled and you're carried by your character, you can't move onto the blue ranks. I encountered some braindead clowns in blue ranks though, but these were like Victor's, Jack-8, Laws, etc.
That's true, but then you have losing streaks and the fact that losing against a higher rank takes away the same points as losing against someone your same rank. These 2 factors weren't in T7 and I'm sure must gatekeep a lot.
At the end of the day a ranked system is suppose to put you to a 50% win rate, and thats where your rank deserves to be. It doesnt really matter if theres a buffer since statistics will keep you at your correct rank. Yes theres a tiny tiny bit of inflation, but its 1/6th of a rank. Nothing insane, the inflation isnt getting you to a higher tier, just a little rank score
Main Man seems to be the only one who is not trying to make people feel like shit about their ranks in this game, lol, I've worked my ass off just to get to Tenryu, and despite that being higher than most other players, people still talk like that's garbage
People try to dismiss other ranks to make themselves feel better. There is a reason why Garyu and Shinryu are considered average. And I'm a Raijin Jun.
Damn, I was feeling like hitting blue just the other day was meaningless, but TMM says I can feel happy about this accomplishment and that feels nice :)
You are so naiv. He is saying that to boost you confidents. He hits Tekken god with every Charakter he touches and i can assure you he sees blue ranks as children. Blue ranks have so many people who can't play basic tekken.
Blue was only about top 20% a month ago, and is probably significantly worse now. Take it as you wish, but as someone who also just hit blue (after pretty much treating the game as a day job since release) I don't feel like I've accomplished anything, but I simply don't have the strength to continue.
I reach Tekken king without breaking a sweat with Claudio .. I didn't struggle at any point to reach there .. ( in 7 .. I struggle just to reach the last blue ) I got about 3500 points in about 1 hr for the promotion to Tekken. King All the persons I played was mostly bushin , few blue ranks and a few Tekken kings .. the blue ranks understand their characters but their timing is of ... Something that blue ranks in didnt lack in 7 .. and they don't cater for adaption of the opponent as they be spamming one string most of the time with a little mixup options This Tekken gives me the feeling I can even reach G.o.d and I haven't change much from 7 The reason why I feel it so easy is because of the larger pool of players be playing Tekken now. So the odds of getting a weaker player, even in higher ranks , is higher than 7 . The other reason is the this heat system they implement. The weaker men don't understand how it's surpose to work , on defense and offense When I get these men at the wall with Claudio even worse, with heat .. most of the time I'd win the round
Same, I picked up T7 on its final stretch, played a few months, picked up Jin, got to green ranks and demoted back and got back to green ranks... im now fujin/kishin with Jin in t8.
@@MaxMax-nr2nk lol no stop. I played Devil Jin in Tekken 7 and reached Raijin...while being the main worst character in the entire roster of the final t7 patch. Regardless if dj was trash at the end, he's once again trash in t8 but there aint no way i was even reaching ryujin rank in t7. All of us there were playing ranked like it was some tournament type of shyt lol. No room for ANY type of whiffs or it was death.
Some people just got better because their character got stronger. Like me with Xiaoyu and Lili. They're WAYY better now and their stances are actually useful (I.e., Hypnosis and Feisty Rabbit). Thus I got stronger too. T8 also forced me to be longer in practice mode because that mode is seriously elite now and it's so much easier to get better, especially with the replay and tips option where you can literally go back into a ranked match and replay the scene (while better responding to it now, thus learning). Frame data didn't even exist in T7 for a long time. Professional players struggled with looking at textbooks with that data 😂 It's easier to be good now than it was back on T7.
Prowess based matchmaking really changed the ranking system. In my opinion, people who hit the blue ranks and above should be matched with any player no matter what their prowess is. At this point Tekken King will be a hardcore gate keeping rank because players who reached to that rank with 190k are gonna get demolished by veterans as soon as they hit the 200k prowess. I'm currently struggling with Jin in bushin at 260k prowess and when game matches me with a 180k bushin player, its literally a free win to me, thats ridiculous.
I don't think that's fair or really a good idea at all lol. You will farm an armada of Red Rank noobs, scrubs, trolls, etc. and all of the Purple Rank players that are entry level. They don't need to fight players like you, instead they need to overcome all other players that are on their level to get to players like yourself who are much better than them. While I get what you're saying if you just win all your matches you'll get into the higher ranks with other players that aren't gonna give you a free win regardless of prowess. You have to understand that this doesn't just open the gates for you. The Tekken Gods will farm 99.9% of the player base if you let them fight anyone other than themselves. Lol YOU will become the free win.
the prowess based matchmaking hard stuck me. starting Tekken 7 couple months before 8 came out with Lidia Anna and Julia, Then coming to 8 finding a new main inflated my prowess to 230k with Lili bushin and 4 other fujins now even with red rank alt characters I've never played with still constantly fighting ppl with tekken god mains who know all the matchups🤣. i understand i have a lot to learn and sometimes enjoy fighting those really high level players. but 70% of the time I'm jus getting smoked from veteran players whether I'm in Tenryu or blue ranks.
I'm kishin with Bryan while having 2 raijins and 2 fujins so my prowess is 215k, it's like all the matches I get are Tekken gods playing their alts. Everytime I come across a real kishin it's like a free win so I kind of understand the change even though it's harder for us to rank up
I personally like this that I get people similar to my prowess yet longer que time sucks I sometimes just wanna play Online not play Warmup 8. Although Ft2 sucks for Rank I get it yet Quick Match it should be infinite.
@@Nxstalgicz You are getting smoked because the prowess system is really, really stupid. Because of decisions you've made (finding a main), the system is incapable of matching you based on your skill level (win loss rates). Making alt characters increase your prowess is arbitrary; a player who ranked up multiple characters is NOT necessarily better than someone who didn't. Pro players often suggest focusing on 1 or 2 characters, because mastering 1 character often gets you further than swapping constantly. It isn't logical to assume that someone who ranked up a shit ton of them will be better than the guy focusing on one. Despite that, this system arbitrarily decides to boost your prowess (therefore forcing you into harder matches) just because you ranked up alts.
8:30 As a Kazuya main who finally made it to Fujin, thank you so much for saying this and justifying my hard work in this game. Hearing it from someone who's been playing the game as long as you have genuinely means alot because ngl it's hard to know for sure in these fighting games when you're actually good. And as someone who's never one and done anyone and always plays the sets through, really makes me happy that it feels worth it
I do believe there absolutely was rank inflation at least at the start of this game. This was due to the large amount of casual players bumping everyone up in the ranks. The rank point distribution is more generous. The green ranks are free now. One thing that is not talked about much is that there are less ranks in T8 than there were in T7. Tekken God is literally not the same rank in T8 as it is in T7. It was around 8 ranks higher. Less ranks + generous point awards + free green ranks + more low-skilled casuals = rank inflation. There were people who have never played a Tekken game before hitting Fujin!
All of this doesn't apply beyond the blue ranks, the ranks have more gaps between them in terms of games you need to win, blue ranks actually punish you much more in terms of losing points than in t7, the number of new players don't reach beyond raijin, and loss streaks are more punishing than win streaks
@@shaghilathar3588 That's the point I'm trying to make. You have to get all the way to blue before this is the case. The things you mentioned happened at lower ranks in T7. Now you have people at Red ranks who legit play like green players. That's rankflation.
@@tek87 I played t7 towards the end of it's lifespan as a new player and reached fujin at 130 hours. This was when it's playerbase was it's most hardcore. T8 has been much harder than that.
I was pretty hardstuck red ranks in T7 I am now Fujin within 4 months, and that isnt because im significantly better at the game all of a sudden. This will definitely change over time, but new game, brand new knowledge checks, more forced 50/50 situations where its a complete guess, less emphasis on actually playing Tekken. Maybe its the astronomical dumbing down of Yoshi in this game with moves like 3,1 and flash in the new meta, but i feel like my rank is SUPER inflated, and like i REALLY didnt earn it at all. On my way up i just launch punished the launch punishable moves everyone did, and won several games in a row. I, as someone with an inflated rank, have to say that there IS alot less resistance than what there was by the end of T7s lifespan.
Sounds very familiar to me as well. I had a super hard time just getting out of orange ranks in T7 whereas now I’m at Fujin in T8 with Leroy within a period of 4 months and to be brutally honest, I don’t personally believe my skill just magically improved all of a sudden. It honestly doesn’t truly feel like I earned this rank yet. But I’ve been gatekeeping there holding on to it for dear life just trying to learn new match ups and I can definitely see there is a clear skill gap from Battle Ruler to Raijin alone. The moment you reach Fujin, the skill gap changes massively
That's because in Tekken 8 Blue Ranks are the equivalent of Red in Tekken 7. Red and Purple Rank within Tekken 8 means essentially nothing now. I have seen the _GOOFIEST_ players you can think of in Tekken 8 Red Ranks. At least in Purple they seem to take the game a bit more seriously and understand the importance of defense. It's crazy because while I have not played Tekken for 30+ years like Mainman I have played it for around 20. So I think about all my experiences online and in modern Tekken especially. I've never seen players that have picked up the game for more than a few days play at the lower levels of skill I've seen in those ranks. Especially in Modern Tekken. They would have no idea what to do in Tekken Tag 2 and would be stuck in Green/Yellow in Tekken 7. There's nothing wrong with them being bad though it's just really interesting to see. Before this era of fighting games most people that played online had a tendency to be decently skilled by default.
The desparity between the skill in purple ranks is insane. I have 220k prowess, so if i use a secondary character im forced to sweat for a measly flame ruler, whereas a weaker player with lower prowess will attain that rank by fighting much weaker players, yet we're both technically in the same rank bracket. I despise Prowess matchmaking. Whats the point of the rank? If i earned purple rank, and so did my opponent, then whats the issue? Let us fight! This has just made it artificially more grindy, and ive pretty much stopped playing ranked because of it. I dont want to sweat my ass off every time I hop on for a few games after work. Im sick of playing God rank players on their side characters. Its very punishing for those like me who like to play around with multiple characters.
This! I promoted to fujin for the first time and then demoted after quickly. But my power lv is still 170k so I'm always fighting similar power lv opponents even when I demote further down lol ?
@@arpangiri1179 Yeah I got fujin a while back, came back on a secondary character and now it's completely different than before. Suuuuper sweaty when it shouldn't be. It also feels very unfair when you spectate another person at a similar rank yet their experience can be so much more relaxed.
This is also a concern for me because I plan on switching to Lidia when she drops. I'm currently tkn king rank with jin. It's gonna be insanely hard for me to rank up with her. I mean yes I know tkn better than a beginner but that doesn't me I'm not a beginner with a new character. I'm basically gonna have to learn in quick match before even thinking about trying ranked. Tkn prowess ranking is total bs and I hope they change it.
All ill say before fully watching is that in blue ranks you have mostly people who yes could get even higher just based on character choice and then unfortunately rank limbo hell skilled players who play Bryan, Kazuya, Steve etc. that are good but get blown up by insane T8 mechanics
I’d add to this and say that your “skill level” (if it was represented as an arbitrary number) can be displayed as half by the rank you have, and the other half being the character you play.
Or u have someone like me, A mighty ruler lili main that does really well in 1v1s except vs a bushin who heat+feisty rabbit cheeses:). bring on the fucking new patch already. I'm sick of the current state of the game.
@@arpangiri1179uh... You are using a top 3 S tier character with the highest combo damage in the game and the best sidesteps by FAR (she sidesteps 95% of moves. The average is 58%. The 2nd best is like 80%). You have NOTHING to cry about. If anything, Lili is getting nerfed drastically after the defense patch. 95 damage from evasive moves with no ch, no heat, no walls and no rage is re tar ded. 85-87 from a df2 with no heat, rage, ch or walls as well. Lili is carrying you and you think others are. It's cute
@kato093 my guy, I agree, which is what I was crying about lmfao? I want the nerfs so everyone who was tier whoring can fuck off lol. I mentioned I can beat most other lilis except the ones absolutely sweating her heat off in my comment...
I can definitely agree with the level of play shifting in the last few months. It took me about two months to reach Tekken Emperor with Lee, but I experienced a huge loss streak placing me back to Bushin/ borderline Kishin for about a week. It's getting more difficult to maintain rank and progress due to the diminishing player base.
I managed to get into Tekken King with Kazuya 2 months ago and I had to stop for a while because I got quite stressed by the machups I encountered (dragunov, azuzena, xiayou, nina, feng) until I learned to enjoy the games. I'm proud of it. I hope to reach Supreme with my kazuya with effort and time, enjoying it to the fullest. Thnks TMM!
I need some advice I’m a kaz main who is in Garyu and rn I’m hardstuck I can’t promote myself up there anymore I’m constantly demoting and promoting I even got all the way down to destroyer one time why advice would you recommend for a kaz main whose first tekken is tekken 8
@@seanbrown7083 In my opinion, a good way to get out of red rank is to master the hellsweep to learn to do 50/50 punishments (mid launch or hell). At those ranks there is a lot of reward for low blows since they don't usually crouch, so combining lows with mid launchers is a good way to punish spammers at those levels, although the most important thing of all is that you learn to defend yourself more than attack, since people hit without thinking and you can punish their negative frames. Good luck!
@@seanbrown7083 i noticed most red ranks i verse are very passive. You need to play more aggressive especially in this game. Thats my only advice. I find aggressive kazuyas very hard to deal with
I have a nice tipp for you if you wanna play and don't lose your rank. I did the same i took my lars to Tekken king and just made another account and play with Lars/Claudio where i can just play and enjoy and not worry to much about de-ranking. I mean if people are worthy they will hit this rank again and at the meantime you can learn matchups and work your way up again and you still keep your Tekken king rank on the other account. Cheers.
Can't remember the player name, but I swear I've played Kazuya ranked against Azucena player at Tekken God Supreme with 46 DEFENSE! If that doesn't scream "carried" and "no fundamentals needed, just mash" then I don't know what to say. Also, I saw once a dude on WiFi with 46% of disconnection.. bruh
I've played many raijin, bushin and even Tekken emperors and Tekken kings with 40-50 defense. I even got kicked to the ESL playstation tournament losers bracket by a Reina/victor god of destruction with 50 defense. He started with victor and got destroyed. Changed to Reina and 3-0 me by pure spam for 2 matches. Fergus with Asuka ended up winning the tournament and the free flight to ESL. I ended up 30th 😢 It was usually a Reina, king, Kuma/panda, victor or azucena. In one tournament I found a Jin Tekken god with garbage defense. Tekken 8 is just made like that. Spam wins everything. That's why even knee with his godlike defense is getting blown up. W
@@kato093 Yeah, I got a feeling that even veteran can easily get destroyed by non sense gameplay and it's actually terrifying. All those years of execution and experience mean literally nothing in most cases.
What's funny is I faced a Bushin Azucena who has 350k prowess (meaning they got G.O.D with another character) and I won them twice with my Garyu Alisa who is like my third main😂😂
I don't think the ranks are inflated anymore. The easy, fresh meat stopped playing the game so now you only have the actual Tekken players fighting each other.
Except this is only applicable to Blue Ranks and up. In Red Ranks I can tell you that there are players who absolutely should not be there. Their lack of character knowledge and Tekken Fundamentals is too significant for them to be anything but Green or Yellow Rank in any other Tekken game.
@@mee091000 Green and Yellow aren't all that far from Red man. Just sounds like you are a below average player. Like Red is literally the median ranks its also like 1/5th of the way to GOD its super early
I agree with this video. I’m Fujin now and it seems not only difficult to exceed but difficult to maintain. I win a little, lose a little, get promoted, get demoted and find myself ultimately stuck in a particular rank for a long while.
I really like the point your brought up at 4:45. As someone who was trying to get to Tekken king it sucked having to fight people that were way out of my skill ceiling just because they were on a sub character. It makes trying to actually get to where you believe your rank is harder because you aren't even fighting people who are the rank you want but way above it.
People put way to much worry about rank. Jus play the matches an lab what u get blown up by so ur stronger next time, no one cares what ur rank is we care about havin a competitive set.
Sure, but the point of a ranked based system is also to evenly match players based on their performance. The dumbass prowess matchmaking system and nonsensical point gain/loss values prevent players from being evenly matched. It's not just about rank, it's about getting to play people who are at your skill level.
I once heard in one of his videos that any ranks that you reach with steve had to add one or two more since is a hard character, now watching this video made me really happu about my range and experience in tekken with steve, since this in my first game and made me though that maybe tekken was not for me, this man is really making me put more hours to it, I feel genuine motivation watching this guy
I've only hit mighty ruler twice, with Claudio and Leroy (pre-buff) and currently working on DJin to do the same gauntlet. Getting to Ruler itself has been harder because of what you said, the people still sticking around are waaaay more into Tekken than we were a few months ago.
Once I hit 250k prowess rank became significantly more difficult. I was demoted from tekken king multiple times and even demoted from bushin a few times as well.
Truly hard especially for me who's prowess is only that high cuz nun of my mains from 7 were in the game so i played many others to find the one. my lily went from bushin back to fujin with the 4 others i have there.
I'm glad you brought this up, this phenomenon happens in a lot of games. As the player base decreases, the more hardcore players tend to stay and so the average skill of the average player goes up over time.
I been stuck at Raijin with Kuma and King for months as well. I Either lose to someone genuinely whooping my ass or being super aggressive without fail, no in between lmao
I was stuck at Fujin for 2 months. Broke the curse a week back and finally made it to Bushin yesterday. My biggest problem was my lack of knowledge against other characters. (I still get knowledge checked but not as constant as be4). Ps: Yoshi main
I usually play ranked 1 time a month and when i do I always easly rank up. It's because i play a lot of quick play between session so when i come back I'm so much better than i was before.
I mean, that's part of the game. I'm stuck in Raijin/Kishin. But I also lack the skills to move forward. My offense is too linear, my defense is not that great, and I absolutely struggle against a few characters like yoshi and some "bad characters". Hitting a plateau is normal, it happened in other games i played before, just gotta get better
I was stuck at brawler in tekken 7 as i joined in the last 2 years before tekken 8 Now im bushin after 130 hours and i dont feel like im any better than i was in tekken 7
@@gamigin89 Yep, this is the general sentiment. People denying rank inflation are in denial. Of course you and others got better but it's obvious from basic logic that new players = rank being moved up in general, and that's just one, obvious, reason.
if you rank up, the bar is automatically in the middle means you need a couple of losses before demotion. if youre demoted, you only need to win 1 match after to get back up at the middle of the next rank. in tekken 7 if you got demoted, your bar is at the middle of the previous rank meaning, you need to win a couple of matches to get back up
@@Jetanium thats at tekken 7 bro. tekken 8 is different. you only need 1 match after demotion to get back and it goes at the middle when promoted. but i think its at the expense of low win points and higher lost points when losing
@@Jetanium thats news to me dude. im stucked at raijin and fujin. i keep coming back and forth and its the same 1 match promotion every single time i got demoted
@@rhouy22-md7rg I tried to abuse it like everyone else gets to and it works different for me. Every demotion in 8 is treated like 7 for me. Literally the bar goes to the middle of the previous rank.
Playing the ranked match and fighting with Strong players feels like i'm playing with the 2024 Online Tournament of Tekken 8 like literally from *Europians, Asia or your own country* [High Ranks Tourney].
I guess I was just part of the crowd that thought there was a big rank inflation because I played around 700 hours of Tekken 7 and by the end I peaked at Divine Ruler in the purple ranks with Hwo and every rank up was a huge massive challenge that I needed tons of practice in player match to get. Now in Tekken 8 I made it to blue within the first week and I'm at Kishin right now which is toward the higher end of blue which I never even made it to in the first place playing Tekken 7. Anytime I demote it's really easy just to promote back or at least stay within 1 rank of my highest. But I managed to get Raven which is a character I have never played before T8 also at Kishin whereas in T7 any alt characters I had literally struggled in like brown ranks.
the big difference is how many newer players there are in 8. if you were playing on pc especially near the end of tekken 7s life, you were fighting much stronger and more dedicated players in red lol. i remember jin players in genbu with like 3000+ wins.
The only thing i don't like abt rank is when you beat a higher ranked opponent, you don't get big points alot of times. Let's say you're an fujin, and you beat a tekken king. You might get 400+ points, the same as if you beat a mighty ruler. That doesn't make sense to me 🤷♂️ the higher ranked opponent you beat. Theoretically, you should get higher points imo.
It's supposed to be that way. If you can't consistently beat someone higher rank than you, you don't deserve to be in their rank. Think about it logically.
This is my 1st online Tekken it feels great playing good matches with your character(s) win or lose, I will stay so long as I can find matches. Sometimes you're the hammer sometimes you're the nail. Always trying to improve. Love you TMM
The one who said “Tekken Emperor is the new Fujin” was Speedkicks. And last I checked the dude doesn’t play ranked at all and his Hwoarang is still at strategist.
Im going to assume this comment is made in jest, but just in case you don't know who speedkicks is, he's one of the strongest Hwos. He's not competed as much as he used to if i recall and im sure he doesn't care about rank at all. He probably just grinds offline/in TM/lobbies
@@pointlessaccount100 he didn't say SK wasn't a good player but if he really played no ranked at all then how does he know what the playerbase is like
Nah but I kinda agree tbh, a lot of people in t7 who use to be hard sick blues are TK in t8, but TG and higher, ranked feels the same as T7 just without death matches
@@pointlessaccount100 I know exactly who speedkicks is Mr. professional dick holder. I’m just pointing out is he refuses to play ranked yet has no problems about being the “expert opinion” on the matter.
I've gotten Fujin with two characters but have been hard stuck there for months, now. I'll make some progress through the rank some days then run into guys who know my own strings and mixups better than I do only to get demoted then push back into the rank. It's at Fujin where things get really messy on the ranked grind.
@@Donalob Oh it's entirely matchup knowledge at that point. But the reality is that no one is going to learn the matchup in a first to two or worse when someone one and dones. It's just impossible in the moment when up against smurfs. And because matchmaking is the same for Quick Match it isn't much better when playing casually. Not everyone can find a group to play with consistently or run deathmatches.
Reached Tekken King with byron yesterday It was a brutal experience Especially when the opponent knows the matchup You have to play almost perfect to win but in the end it is really rewarding And sometimes there are people sitting at Raijin who are completely carried and its always the victors and alisas who cant even block a snake edge, even when i spam it 😂
Im jumping between Garyu and Eliminator becasue when i promoted to Garyu i starting to get Flame ruler, Mighty ruler enemies. Even in Eliminator. I was Eliminator and i got a Mighty Ruler King...... and my setup is +-3.....
Yeah but Flame ruler isn't 3 ranks away from eliminator. neither Mighty Ruler.. I have pictures that i got a TENRYU enemy when i was in Assailant. 1 Hworang and right after that 1 Yoshi.
Speaking of ranks, I'm only Destroyer with a 90k prowess(I don't get to play much). Why would I often be matched up against Shinryu, Tenryu, Mighty Rulers, and Battle Rulers and people with prowess of 120k+, is that normal? Is there a setting to only play people around my rank?
As someone with multiple TTGs in T7, I just bought T8 pretty recently (during the Namdai sale) and got up to the blue ranks pretty quickly, in just a few hours. But I'm currently stuck in Bushin lol. I think this is where the crazy stuff like King's armored charge and Nina's stupid damage output are fully abused
2:10 no way, i disagree - there are people who know nothing about fundamentals in tekken like backdash or -frames still they can get to emperor by avoiding playing tekken as xiayo, raven, zafina. It's pathetic to see that. Also you can't tell me that playing Jun/Feng/King/Drag and getting Tekken Emperor is hard in anyway, those heatsmash/heatbursts carry by their own by pressing one single button zero execution i'm not talking about something like Kaz/Bryan.
If you’re falling to Drag’s heat smash then you can’t step mate I’m sorry. King’s heat smash is busted, Jun’s is annoying, but Xiao is a hard character that’s overturned, Raven can be quite complex, and Zafina isn’t easy to use either.
Jun is strong cheap character right? Playing game for you. Estus flask. Save launchers. Also this stupid HOMING heat smash which is like desert eagle. Right?
@@crusaderflo1965 that you’re just unwilling to accept that they have counterplay. Drag was oppressive at launch but has counterplay now, so do Raven, Zafina and Xiao - they are just lab characters. If you think you’re playing “real” Tekken so much better than your opponent and still losing then you are either lacking in match up knowledge (which is a part of the core of the game, or real Tekken) or are getting outplayed. The only legitimately busted one is King, but playing King to full efficiency or generally well is actually quite difficult. His cheese (running shining wizard, giant swing spam, armor) if spammed recklessly has very clear counterplay. Now of course character picks are a huge part of any fighting game - a Kaz will have a harder time against these characters than say a Jin, but at this stage of the game’s life cycle unless you’re plugging and getting extraordinarily lucky in your opponents you will not hit emperor without some decent fundamentals.
I'm TG myself and I can tell you there are so many people that doesn't belong there. They didn't understand the basis of tekken and still can hit such ranks. Ofc they have clear counterplay, but is everyone labbing every character 1h per week? I don't think so. If you pick these characters you are just a cheese king. Also your argumentation makes no sense, telling me everything has counterplay and in the next sentence you are saying King is different, King also has counterplay, but still he's cheap asf.
I think both is true, but it depends on the rank. It's very easy to rank up to Warrior. And if people have some dedication it's relatively easier to reach Fujin compared to T7. But from there up to the highest ranks, it's getting really hard and this is where deflation starts. And the inflation is between Warrior and Fujin.
I'm a new player, 120 hours in at fujin, and these people are mindless animals. Don't waste time thinking about mixups, just do your frame traps. I remember taking a round of a tekken king by literally doing the same move over and over, and he couldn't stop pressing. It's honestly depressing.
@@ragnarok7452 You're not gonna believe this, but I play reina and the move was 1,1,2,sentai 3 into 1,1,2 sentai 3 over and over. And I should add his main was tekken king, but he was playing a different character around purple rank. My cope is that he was either tired, gave the account to somebody else to play or that the guy bought the account. But either way the ranks are inflated, I SHOULDN'T be at this rank.
@@RATTLESNAKE209 Maybe it is just a shared account. Like you pass the controller to your younger siblings when they want to play. Anyways being tired can also affect their reaction and pattern recognition. Other factors include getting rusty(which is plausible if you only play on weekends).
@@RATTLESNAKE209 Or maybe they were expecting that you would do something different which is why they fell for no mixup mixup. Reina can be pretty oppressive online.
Ahh Yeah the 1 Button 70 damage (ch + rage) heatsmash + hard af to break and homeing ch throws of Tekken 7 King... Who doesnt remember this t7 King. Glad that this isnt the case in 8 anymore.
I think what people are blatantly ignoring is what time you started playing ranked. If you play Tekken 7 ranked in the early/beginning stages of the game then of course it was easier to climb ranks. I started when the game only had like one year left and because of that I was only running into TGO players playing on alt characters. In Tekken 8 since the game is still relatively new it feels a lot easier to climb.
This is not true at all. It has never been harder to rank up than in the beginning of T7. You couldn't get out of green ranks without knowing basic punishment and throw breaking. Everyone was stuck there. Seasoned players were up to red and pros were in purple. There's a reason the term "green rank hell" was invented, and it is from this time.
I would say it is also character-dependent. I could never get out of orange ranks in Tekken 7, while in T8 I got into reds in just 2 weeks with Xiaoyu. And now I'm in Rulers, a level I could never even dream of in T7.
Definitely character dependent which is why I’m interested in trying characters that I’ve never played to get a real grasp on whether it’s my fundamentals or character knowledge that needs to improve. Either way it will be beneficial
Thank God, now I can feel good about my rank again, I am a Flame Ruler Bryan and all this talk about rank inflation was making me feel like I'm orange skill level
Very good rank if ur a Bryan main, I can see he is an honest character with very difficult tools like TJU. Much respect to all you Bryan mains, lowkey thinking abt playing him cause of his cool taunt dash
@@ricey3952 I actually mained drag in 7 (when I started taking Tekken seriously), but switched to Bryan in 8 due to drag being overtuned. I spent a lot of hours learning all the cool taunt stuff and I'm having a blast with it, but Bryan does work very hard. Thank you for your kind words : )
What people need to understand is that literally nothing from r/Tekken is worth considering in any serious light. I mean it, that community is pure copium and brain rot. There's nothing there. Let your own experience speak for itself.
@@Authura Yes, the more I interact with it, the more it seems you are right. I let their words get to me too much tbh, and it has put me and many others players in a very negative mindset for this game and ranked in general.
Nah it’s the small victories that count the most I honestly think getting harder characters up the ranks is more impressive than getting let’s say pre-nerfed drag, victor, and pre-nerfed azucena up there good shit
TMM doesn't fully understand how this system works, but I can't blame him. There is both rank inflation and deflation occurring, and the culprit is prowess matchmaking. Let's say you are trying to reach Tekken King. If you only play 1 character, you are shielded from fighting Tekken Kings until you reach that rank yourself. The average TK has 230k prowess, a Bushin with 1 character will have 190k, so they almost never match into TKs. In this case, the game is literally giving you easier matches because of prowess. The same goes for all ranked milestones that give a prowess boost. In the previous system, a Battle Ruler usually had to beat people in Fujin-Raijin to get into Fujin (for example), now they don't. The result is undeniable rank inflation. But rank deflation also occurs for a couple reasons. For one, every character you rank up increases your prowess, a global matchmaking value. That basically means you can make your matchups harder across all characters by ranking up alt characters. Your inflated prowess will cause you to match into players above your rank. If they are outside your ±2 rank range, it will be players from that higher rank playing an alt inside your rank range instead. Players in this situation get harder matches than they should, so they get demoted further than they should, and there's the rank deflation. TMM is severely affected by this; he gets harder matches than most because he plays many characters. But also, when you hit a ranked milestone like Garyu, Mighty Ruler, Fujin, Tekken King, etc. your prowess gets a huge bonus that will never be reversed, even if you derank. That means you don't really have ±2 rank range; you will only fight people at your rank or higher. So this is another source of rank deflation.
Very true. I didnt bother yet to learn this game, so i messed around and picked up 11 characters so far and got them to tenryu. With each new char it became harder to win matches coz my prowess got higher. The average prowess of my opponents is like 170k, so most of them were like blue rank. Ranked up King a few days ago to mighty ruler, my prowess is now 173k.. -.- # so yea i see now also people with around 200k prowess without having a main xD
Will say sometimes the Prowess match making says fuck you, I was a 190k playing my Red Ranks Claudio and fought a 250k Tekken King Leroy and lost 500 points for the match too. Or say 198k mid blue ranks and played a 440k Tekken King Xiao
@@dylansetright3359 That's because the prowess system will let you match outside your prowess range if you or your opponent has spent a long enough time in queue. The reason they made it work this way is because if you match based on prowess + rank, you cut down the possible pool of players people can match with tremendously. For some players (often those with high prowess in a lower rank), this means they sometimes would get no matches. So Bamco also had to add some condition where players can match outside their prowess range if they dont find a match after a while. In other words, the system isn't saying "fuck you". It's a failsafe that prevents certain players from never getting a match. The ranked system overall is rather complicated right now. There are a lot of rules around prowess, and I notice people frequently misunderstand how its working. It is the worst ranked system I have seen in my entire life. It's almost commendable how much Bamco has managed to fuck up basic matchmaking (instead of just using Glicko/MMR like any ranked system should).
Thats why i mever match with TK, bc i only play one character and im at like 195k Prowess and Bushin. I fight Fujins, Raijins most of the time and honestly, after some time its really annoying bc i just wanna fight higher ranks to improve. Matching with TK or even higher is impossible for me.
@@gul9593 You are correct, that's exactly why you don't really fight Tekken Kings at Bushin. There's no way this isn't causing rank inflation for many players, prowess can literally force you to get easier matches than before it was implemented. Sadly, people really don't seem to understand how the prowess system works. If everyone fully understood it, far less people would support it.
I have a friend that is playing King - Tekken 8 is his first fighting game and he is a couple of wins off reaching Mighty Ruler. How is this even possible? An array of cheese. OP heat smash, FC df1 sweep, shining wizard, the list goes on....
Nah truth be told many of these purple ranks play like yellow ranks, and these blue ranks play like orange/red ranks. The inflation is real. If your constantly still stuck in a rank for a long time or are constantly demoting or cant maintain your rank, then you probably aren't ready of that rank. So many purple and even blue ranks cant break throws, dont understand neutral and okizemi, never sidestep or walk, and have terrible character knowledge. Rank isn't easier but much more forgiving compared to previous games. (T6,Tag2, even T7). Namcos goal is to keep a large portion of people playing so the insentive to keep playing is trying to make them feel good about their rank.
@@GrogedUp bro I watched the whole thing and I'm simply just stating my thoughts man. I don't even disagree with what Tmm said in the vid. Why do y'all ride on Tmm so much???
@@trashboat4731 oh it’s you twice I don’t really care enough to read your short story still not sure why you think you have a better(more objective) thought process then TMM though your not he/him
@@GrogedUp dawg I've been playing since late t6 and tag 2. I've been watching mainman since the beginning early stream and still a huge fan of him. I'm just saying from my perspective from NA online, since he is Europe it's much different. I was yellow in tag 2, Tekken king in T7 and hit Tekken God in T8. Despite this I'm not saying my experience outweighs Tmm but I'm not gonna doubt myself.
@@trashboat4731 I can respect that but he’s been playing twice as long as you lol. I just thought it was annoying how you said “nah truth be told” when I knew you just haven’t played as long. it just seemed disrespectful to TMM However you are entitled to your own opinion as I am to mine.
I'll say that rank inflation kinda occurs, but not in high ranks for sure - there is in fact as TMM put it: deflation instead. I was TTG on main (Brayan) and TG on secondary in T7, play in tournaments for the last three years. Yet, in T8 I have only managed to get to Tekken Emperor with some serious struggle (it took me like three days of ranked sessions to promote from TK to TE, while I've speedrun the TTG in T7 in like 60 hours after comming from console with TK to PC) and was quickly getting burned out due to never ending sweat and the way the rank system works. Honestly though, I'll say that ranking and keeping the rank in T8 is way easier than it was in T7, however it is true only until a certain point (i.e. Tekken King) from where the game turns to extremes. Because unlike in T7 where you were getting and losing same points (unless 3-loss steak on TGP+), in T8 you get less points (also the same amount regardless of rank difference of +1 or +2 below opponent) and lose way more. Essentially, you MUST win streak on the regular in literally the sweatiest bracket to offset a single lost set just so you won't lose all the progress. On the prowess thing: it should help agaisnt smurfing, but it really doesn't because of how Prowess is distributed (especially the part where losing a Rank does not drop it much at all, meaing that you can progressively make your situation worse by Promoting-Demoting.. Subs also screw players over, especially people in purple and blue). While I personally think that the intent is probably for the better, the result is really terrible. Hoewever not for the ranked specificly (granted I'm not playing it as much these day, but the amount of opponent repeats I've had when ranking up Paul was ridiculous), but for quick matches. Why do those follow the same rules, I do not understand at all. And it might sound like this is me wanting to "stomp scrubs" there, but no. My biggest issue are the queue times, that can get astonishingly terrible there. Waiting 10 minutes for a quick match (even with resets) is really beating the purpose of the mode.
I just reached Fujin yesterday and this makes me feel better because I was a believer of this rankflation as well. I came to my own conclusion and wasn't influenced by posts cause I know someone who's in the red ranks in 8 but couldn't reach Genbu in 7. I reached Raijin in 7 but got demoted back to Eternal Ruler and I was just reaching and getting kicked back to Fujin and Eternal Ruler and never reach past Raijin. Then 8 was released and in just a few days, I'm at Shinryu. But I can confirm that it is sweaty gaming in the late ruler ranks in Tekken 8. You will have to work for that Fujin.
So like, I'm guilty of this myself. I weight train and I bench 120kg pretty easily. I feel like bench pressing 100kg isn't hard and I can easily do it for a lot of reps and as part of a superset and for multiple sets. I feel like it's super easy. I feel like anyone can do it. I don't know why people think it's hard, it's not hard to do. I got to it pretty easily and I've never found it that challenging. But according to google 1% of people can do that and 99% of people can't. I hang around with strong people so we all feel like it's easy and I've not seen them struggle but me feeling like that just makes other people feel crap about their own accomplishments and means I'm putting 1% as being "average" since I don't think of elite starting until 140kg and above When I see these like "anyone can get emperor" takes i'm like well why are less than 2% of players there? Tekken is one of the most weridly guarded communities I've ever been a part of and anyone below the top like 5% just seem to feel like everyone else isn't even playing the game. Like if you're not Bushin what are you even doing? But then why are so many people struggling to get to that point? I think when you do something that often and it becomes a second nature to you then you start to disconnect what it's like for the average person trying to do that thing as well Just adding to this. I love Main mans take here. Nice to hear a voice like that coming from someone with his experience level
I've been hard stuck Battle Ruler with Kazuya for about a month now, I dont really grind rank every day mind you but i do a push atleast once a week and ping pong within the rank It REALLY is a case of absolute compression on both sides right between purple and blue ranks. Prior to Blue, ranking up is (in comparison) easier because more points being gained on a win than a loss, thus a slight inflation over time, where blue ranks is the opposite and acts as a counterbalance due to 1:1 win/loss points deligation and loss streaks. I think it was intentionally designed to be this way, so that not everyone can become Gold ranks (given time and inflation) but it makes blue ranks a hard wall compared to every previous rank, same with how warrior introduces the possibility of losing points. Its reflected in the rank distribution, every color rank has a peak at the beginning but Fujin is almost as populated as Garyu for multiple reasons. The aforementioned struggle to get beyond fujin with whats said in the video, the difficulty tweak at said rank. Similarly, because the playerbase is so saturated in these areas, the climb in and around it is the most fun and diverse set of players I think overall this squeeze is really cool and interesting, but it creates a weird space for people like myself where you're in this kinda "best of the worst players, not worst of the best players" environment a lot of the time, especially if you have multiple characters in Flame Ruler or higher
Hi, Steve/Bryan main here. Started playing ranked late in Tekken 7 and plateaud at purple ranks with both characters, while at Tekken 8 I hit Tekken King with Steve and Kishin with Bryan (before running off to SF6 for a bit to wash out the salt. I'll be back when I find some GoD's to beat me up and tell me what I'm lacking). The fundamentals from 7 gave me an edge over most unga, but there's some stuff I just can't hold. Just an example of how legacy skills still kinda carry over and can get you places in this game.
Completely agree, and on top of that if you add the game’s balancing, in which after a certain rank ppl only take broken S+ characters, and the online system that does no incentivizes ppl to rematch, and you have a really tough time ranking up your honest character
I'm a Fujin Bryan main. Got matched with two Feng players. One was a 170k player and the other was a 320k player. I ironically managed to beat the higher prowess player. But I'm currently of the mindset that I'm happy enough with my Fujin rank that I'm not driven to rank up again for a while. I'd rather wait for things to balance out because every second match I'm getting is a GoD player.
I play ranked casually after work and I'm proud that I continue to promote now because I was stuck between orange and red ranks for like a few days because I focused solely on defense and get smoked cuz id just block and people would happily keep spamming in my face, so id constantly lab basic punishes for most characters and watching my replays of me getting smoked to learn what to duck, step and whatnot so now my suffering seems to have paid off cuz I have a better time with defense and thus can promote easier now
In my and my friends' experience, it's the lower ranks (green-orange-red) that are inflated and higher ranks (Tekken King and up) that are deflated, with purple-blue being mostly the same. In T7, red rank usually meant you're a pretty good player with solid character knowledge and some matchup experience. In T8, I'd say this cutoff is at purple ranks instead.
Tekken 8 really speedran to the late T7 ranked experience with everyone punching down and making it really hard for newer players focusing on one character or vets learning new characters. Kinda crazy ngl.
I totally agree my Jin is fujin and I’ve been demoting quite a lot I was very close to reach raining and all of a sudden I was match against a tekken god supreme and god of destruction it does get anoyying
is my raijin Devil Jin good? I was tekken King but since prowess matchmaking had me fight tekken kings/gods even on a secondary character. Am I still good? I still win 54% of my games
I went from divine ruler with steve in t7 to tekken king in t8, dont know if i've genuinely improved that much in such a short space of time or if there is some inflation going on, or both
i just hit mighty ruler with bryan, feels good tbh but i got matched with another bryan and somehow got destroyed lol this is the highest rank i've ever hit in any tekken game which makes me proud tbh but it shows that there's still much more room for improvment. i'm excited to see what my full potential looks like as a bryan otp.
Hi MainMan! I think you are so hilarious! Easy subscribe! I just hit Tekken King with my Auska Today after three months of play! It feels awesome and definitely a major feat!
So agree with you. Recently got my lili to mighty rueler from calv rank took me 2 days but can say the amount of skill a orange, red and purple player has can be felt quite a bit. Like orange rank usually no fudnamentals people have often can easily be punished, red you start seeing people start playing some what defense, purple rank you see people start using proper spacing and you see them also defending a lot more. Every color you go up you can feel quite a massive difference to the previous one least in my experience on NA servers. The only people who think ranked is easy are people that use cheese to get high ranks like victor where they could easily abuse his stupid grab bug and his other dumb moves. Or eddy since hes newer character that came out and if you don't know his match up he can be annoying to fight. But you play a character like kaz, lili, reina, few others like you have to actually understand concepts like spacing, defense and also how to apply pressure, break grabs ect cause you cant just cheese your way through. And as people learn match ups the game just gets increasingly more difficult. Maybe im wrong tho idk.
As someone who started playing Tekken 8 two months after its release I was expecting to mindlessly go through green, yellow and orange ranks and start actually playing basic tekken at red and purple and then advanced tekken at blue and above. But no, right from orange ranks some (not all) players were very observant and responsive. They could not only see what I was trying to do but adapt to it and I actually had to play layer 2 right from red ranks. I think namco providing frame data in the base game, the abundance of character guides on youtube and guys like mainman and phidx teaching core tekken concepts that complete beginners can understand and apply has been the main reason for it and it makes me really happy. I remember in T7 watching an old aris video where he was spamming a low poke against a red rank paul during a ranked match in hopes to teach his opponent that you can actually punish a low with while rising 4. The poor guy kept trying to deathfist it and boy have we come so far from those days.
TMM gets it. As a man who was TGO in Tekken 7 and now struggling to maintain Tekken King rank, I 100% agree that "rank deflation" is what's actually happening lol. I am enjoying the challenge tho!
I like how people saw what he said in the intro and are responding to that because theyre too lazy to watch and realize he has the opposite opinion lmao
Hahaha exactly, lots of insecure rankers
I wasn't even gonna argue even if he was actually stating that as a fact. Theres no way i was gonna get to ryujin in Tekken 7. Probably cuz i was still using devil jin after the final patch of t7 and it's basically impossible to get good dmg in but regardless, the fundamentals and reads were tripled at blue ranks in tekken 7
What he said in the intro is actually true though. Ranks are significantly easier to obtain in T8 and average skill level seems to be dropping
@@alexandermccalla5098 thats just not quite true. this is happening across all competitive games where players are getting better and better each year, theres more guides more resources to get better. There are players in tekken 8 that will peak garyu forever, and then theres some who will never touch red, or some who peak purple forever. as long as players get better, ranks will equalize
@@TheJackson4eva lmao bruhh this couldn't be far from the truth. It's games being developed more easier. The devs for Tekken 8 were LITERALLY stating in a nutshell "This time around, we want everyone to be winners, where newcomers could even possibly compete with pros" 💀. Countless videos about fighting games always putting the Tekken series before 8 coming out, as the most troublesome to get into because "its fckin hard" true words by an experienced fighters player lol. All these Triple A having "story mode" difficulties, multiplayers adding completely broken dlc characters for the cash intake, only months later to be patched. No one in todays gaming generation is "seeking/wanting" to get better at any game at all lol. In the end, this is a passtime for the majority and not a passion.
I love how people plug at like red ranks thinking that it’s even worth it or anything
fr tho, like why are you plugging? We are low ranks lmao, it cannot be that deep lmao
The ruler and blue ranks are so much worse.
@@ricey3952 because people want rank instead of improving or even HAVING FUN, i deranked from fujin all the way to tenryu because i was tilted but im back to raijin, the noobs will plug after risk of demotion.
Considering they tend to plug even in quick matches, very expectable
@@ricey3952Fragile mentality and low self-esteem. Many people in society are losers who need a self-esteem boost and conflate their rank with their worth. They’ll do anything, as long as it’s easy, to get that dopamine hit. It’s the same reason why they don’t achieve anything in life because hard work is kryptonite.
I think the rank inflation can be strongly observed in red/mid purple, but the minute you hit blue it gets absolutely brutal.
Oh Yes
Yeah defo. When I got to Fujin rank with Devil Jin. (Now Raijin) It is COMPLETELY different game. The players are just absolutely nuts. And some of these players have skills of defense from T7 and adapted to T8s aggressive gameplay. They will melt anyone.
If Tekken 7 was chess where you can take your time then T8 is speedchess where you have to make decisions in milliseconds. So more mistakes happen for pros/new players alike.
@@furiousdragon6379 just hit blue with dvj myself feel your pain tbh
I really agree with this. There's a big skill gap between Battle Ruler and Fujin/ Raijin in my experience. It's like if you're not truly skilled and you're carried by your character, you can't move onto the blue ranks. I encountered some braindead clowns in blue ranks though, but these were like Victor's, Jack-8, Laws, etc.
I l sweeped the blue ranks. Struggled in battle ruler
The fact that you can promote right after a demote must have at least a small effect on rank inflation
That's true, but then you have losing streaks and the fact that losing against a higher rank takes away the same points as losing against someone your same rank.
These 2 factors weren't in T7 and I'm sure must gatekeep a lot.
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Let's not forget death matches
At the end of the day a ranked system is suppose to put you to a 50% win rate, and thats where your rank deserves to be. It doesnt really matter if theres a buffer since statistics will keep you at your correct rank. Yes theres a tiny tiny bit of inflation, but its 1/6th of a rank. Nothing insane, the inflation isnt getting you to a higher tier, just a little rank score
Main Man seems to be the only one who is not trying to make people feel like shit about their ranks in this game, lol, I've worked my ass off just to get to Tenryu, and despite that being higher than most other players, people still talk like that's garbage
People try to dismiss other ranks to make themselves feel better. There is a reason why Garyu and Shinryu are considered average. And I'm a Raijin Jun.
I do agree ranks are messed up in this game but some seem to want to call everyone bad when that's far from the case.
Welcome to the Tekken community. All your achievements and progress will be ignored and you will be called carried no matter who you played.
Congratulations yo!!
My raven is hard stuck purple!
Damn, I was feeling like hitting blue just the other day was meaningless, but TMM says I can feel happy about this accomplishment and that feels nice :)
You are so naiv. He is saying that to boost you confidents. He hits Tekken god with every Charakter he touches and i can assure you he sees blue ranks as children. Blue ranks have so many people who can't play basic tekken.
@@invoked5114That's nonsense. Hitting blue in Tekken means you have a clear understanding of the game and match ups. Well done OP 👍
@Donalob that is not true bro I have been knowledge checking people with eddy in blue ranks and they can't punish or pressing after my plus frames.
@@pfuze_5775 let's be honest, no one knows the Eddy matchup
Blue was only about top 20% a month ago, and is probably significantly worse now. Take it as you wish, but as someone who also just hit blue (after pretty much treating the game as a day job since release) I don't feel like I've accomplished anything, but I simply don't have the strength to continue.
Im Tekken King with Bryan. Being Tekken king in T7 was unimaginable for me.
if you played bryan in tekken 7 it could be because you got better
I reach Tekken king without breaking a sweat with Claudio .. I didn't struggle at any point to reach there .. ( in 7 .. I struggle just to reach the last blue )
I got about 3500 points in about 1 hr for the promotion to Tekken. King
All the persons I played was mostly bushin , few blue ranks and a few Tekken kings .. the blue ranks understand their characters but their timing is of ... Something that blue ranks in didnt lack in 7 .. and they don't cater for adaption of the opponent as they be spamming one string most of the time with a little mixup options
This Tekken gives me the feeling I can even reach G.o.d and I haven't change much from 7
The reason why I feel it so easy is because of the larger pool of players be playing Tekken now. So the odds of getting a weaker player, even in higher ranks , is higher than 7 .
The other reason is the this heat system they implement.
The weaker men don't understand how it's surpose to work , on defense and offense
When I get these men at the wall with Claudio even worse, with heat .. most of the time I'd win the round
Same, I picked up T7 on its final stretch, played a few months, picked up Jin, got to green ranks and demoted back and got back to green ranks... im now fujin/kishin with Jin in t8.
@@MaxMax-nr2nk lol no stop. I played Devil Jin in Tekken 7 and reached Raijin...while being the main worst character in the entire roster of the final t7 patch. Regardless if dj was trash at the end, he's once again trash in t8 but there aint no way i was even reaching ryujin rank in t7. All of us there were playing ranked like it was some tournament type of shyt lol. No room for ANY type of whiffs or it was death.
Some people just got better because their character got stronger. Like me with Xiaoyu and Lili. They're WAYY better now and their stances are actually useful (I.e., Hypnosis and Feisty Rabbit). Thus I got stronger too. T8 also forced me to be longer in practice mode because that mode is seriously elite now and it's so much easier to get better, especially with the replay and tips option where you can literally go back into a ranked match and replay the scene (while better responding to it now, thus learning). Frame data didn't even exist in T7 for a long time. Professional players struggled with looking at textbooks with that data 😂 It's easier to be good now than it was back on T7.
Prowess based matchmaking really changed the ranking system. In my opinion, people who hit the blue ranks and above should be matched with any player no matter what their prowess is. At this point Tekken King will be a hardcore gate keeping rank because players who reached to that rank with 190k are gonna get demolished by veterans as soon as they hit the 200k prowess. I'm currently struggling with Jin in bushin at 260k prowess and when game matches me with a 180k bushin player, its literally a free win to me, thats ridiculous.
I don't think that's fair or really a good idea at all lol. You will farm an armada of Red Rank noobs, scrubs, trolls, etc. and all of the Purple Rank players that are entry level. They don't need to fight players like you, instead they need to overcome all other players that are on their level to get to players like yourself who are much better than them. While I get what you're saying if you just win all your matches you'll get into the higher ranks with other players that aren't gonna give you a free win regardless of prowess. You have to understand that this doesn't just open the gates for you. The Tekken Gods will farm 99.9% of the player base if you let them fight anyone other than themselves. Lol YOU will become the free win.
the prowess based matchmaking hard stuck me. starting Tekken 7 couple months before 8 came out with Lidia Anna and Julia, Then coming to 8 finding a new main inflated my prowess to 230k with Lili bushin and 4 other fujins now even with red rank alt characters I've never played with still constantly fighting ppl with tekken god mains who know all the matchups🤣. i understand i have a lot to learn and sometimes enjoy fighting those really high level players. but 70% of the time I'm jus getting smoked from veteran players whether I'm in Tenryu or blue ranks.
I'm kishin with Bryan while having 2 raijins and 2 fujins so my prowess is 215k, it's like all the matches I get are Tekken gods playing their alts. Everytime I come across a real kishin it's like a free win so I kind of understand the change even though it's harder for us to rank up
I personally like this that I get people similar to my prowess yet longer que time sucks I sometimes just wanna play Online not play Warmup 8. Although Ft2 sucks for Rank I get it yet Quick Match it should be infinite.
@@Nxstalgicz You are getting smoked because the prowess system is really, really stupid. Because of decisions you've made (finding a main), the system is incapable of matching you based on your skill level (win loss rates). Making alt characters increase your prowess is arbitrary; a player who ranked up multiple characters is NOT necessarily better than someone who didn't.
Pro players often suggest focusing on 1 or 2 characters, because mastering 1 character often gets you further than swapping constantly. It isn't logical to assume that someone who ranked up a shit ton of them will be better than the guy focusing on one. Despite that, this system arbitrarily decides to boost your prowess (therefore forcing you into harder matches) just because you ranked up alts.
8:30 As a Kazuya main who finally made it to Fujin, thank you so much for saying this and justifying my hard work in this game. Hearing it from someone who's been playing the game as long as you have genuinely means alot because ngl it's hard to know for sure in these fighting games when you're actually good. And as someone who's never one and done anyone and always plays the sets through, really makes me happy that it feels worth it
I do believe there absolutely was rank inflation at least at the start of this game. This was due to the large amount of casual players bumping everyone up in the ranks. The rank point distribution is more generous. The green ranks are free now. One thing that is not talked about much is that there are less ranks in T8 than there were in T7. Tekken God is literally not the same rank in T8 as it is in T7. It was around 8 ranks higher. Less ranks + generous point awards + free green ranks + more low-skilled casuals = rank inflation. There were people who have never played a Tekken game before hitting Fujin!
All of this doesn't apply beyond the blue ranks, the ranks have more gaps between them in terms of games you need to win, blue ranks actually punish you much more in terms of losing points than in t7, the number of new players don't reach beyond raijin, and loss streaks are more punishing than win streaks
@@shaghilathar3588 That's the point I'm trying to make. You have to get all the way to blue before this is the case. The things you mentioned happened at lower ranks in T7. Now you have people at Red ranks who legit play like green players. That's rankflation.
@@tek87 I played t7 towards the end of it's lifespan as a new player and reached fujin at 130 hours. This was when it's playerbase was it's most hardcore. T8 has been much harder than that.
I was pretty hardstuck red ranks in T7
I am now Fujin within 4 months, and that isnt because im significantly better at the game all of a sudden.
This will definitely change over time, but new game, brand new knowledge checks, more forced 50/50 situations where its a complete guess, less emphasis on actually playing Tekken.
Maybe its the astronomical dumbing down of Yoshi in this game with moves like 3,1 and flash in the new meta, but i feel like my rank is SUPER inflated, and like i REALLY didnt earn it at all. On my way up i just launch punished the launch punishable moves everyone did, and won several games in a row.
I, as someone with an inflated rank, have to say that there IS alot less resistance than what there was by the end of T7s lifespan.
Ur playing a char that used to suck dick and is now arguably top 10 of course you're having an easier time
Sounds very familiar to me as well. I had a super hard time just getting out of orange ranks in T7 whereas now I’m at Fujin in T8 with Leroy within a period of 4 months and to be brutally honest, I don’t personally believe my skill just magically improved all of a sudden. It honestly doesn’t truly feel like I earned this rank yet. But I’ve been gatekeeping there holding on to it for dear life just trying to learn new match ups and I can definitely see there is a clear skill gap from Battle Ruler to Raijin alone. The moment you reach Fujin, the skill gap changes massively
That's because in Tekken 8 Blue Ranks are the equivalent of Red in Tekken 7. Red and Purple Rank within Tekken 8 means essentially nothing now. I have seen the _GOOFIEST_ players you can think of in Tekken 8 Red Ranks. At least in Purple they seem to take the game a bit more seriously and understand the importance of defense. It's crazy because while I have not played Tekken for 30+ years like Mainman I have played it for around 20. So I think about all my experiences online and in modern Tekken especially. I've never seen players that have picked up the game for more than a few days play at the lower levels of skill I've seen in those ranks. Especially in Modern Tekken. They would have no idea what to do in Tekken Tag 2 and would be stuck in Green/Yellow in Tekken 7. There's nothing wrong with them being bad though it's just really interesting to see. Before this era of fighting games most people that played online had a tendency to be decently skilled by default.
The desparity between the skill in purple ranks is insane. I have 220k prowess, so if i use a secondary character im forced to sweat for a measly flame ruler, whereas a weaker player with lower prowess will attain that rank by fighting much weaker players, yet we're both technically in the same rank bracket. I despise Prowess matchmaking. Whats the point of the rank? If i earned purple rank, and so did my opponent, then whats the issue? Let us fight! This has just made it artificially more grindy, and ive pretty much stopped playing ranked because of it. I dont want to sweat my ass off every time I hop on for a few games after work. Im sick of playing God rank players on their side characters. Its very punishing for those like me who like to play around with multiple characters.
This! I promoted to fujin for the first time and then demoted after quickly. But my power lv is still 170k so I'm always fighting similar power lv opponents even when I demote further down lol ?
@@arpangiri1179 Yeah I got fujin a while back, came back on a secondary character and now it's completely different than before. Suuuuper sweaty when it shouldn't be. It also feels very unfair when you spectate another person at a similar rank yet their experience can be so much more relaxed.
This is also a concern for me because I plan on switching to Lidia when she drops. I'm currently tkn king rank with jin. It's gonna be insanely hard for me to rank up with her. I mean yes I know tkn better than a beginner but that doesn't me I'm not a beginner with a new character. I'm basically gonna have to learn in quick match before even thinking about trying ranked. Tkn prowess ranking is total bs and I hope they change it.
Because of smurfing, TMM just explained it in the video.
@@Elivanse no no, that has always existed. Prowess matchmaking is the issue.
All ill say before fully watching is that in blue ranks you have mostly people who yes could get even higher just based on character choice and then unfortunately rank limbo hell skilled players who play Bryan, Kazuya, Steve etc. that are good but get blown up by insane T8 mechanics
I’d add to this and say that your “skill level” (if it was represented as an arbitrary number) can be displayed as half by the rank you have, and the other half being the character you play.
Or u have someone like me, A mighty ruler lili main that does really well in 1v1s except vs a bushin who heat+feisty rabbit cheeses:). bring on the fucking new patch already. I'm sick of the current state of the game.
@@arpangiri1179uh... You are using a top 3 S tier character with the highest combo damage in the game and the best sidesteps by FAR (she sidesteps 95% of moves. The average is 58%. The 2nd best is like 80%).
You have NOTHING to cry about. If anything, Lili is getting nerfed drastically after the defense patch.
95 damage from evasive moves with no ch, no heat, no walls and no rage is re tar ded. 85-87 from a df2 with no heat, rage, ch or walls as well.
Lili is carrying you and you think others are. It's cute
@kato093 my guy, I agree, which is what I was crying about lmfao? I want the nerfs so everyone who was tier whoring can fuck off lol. I mentioned I can beat most other lilis except the ones absolutely sweating her heat off in my comment...
@@kato093they need to switch kazuya and lilis combo damage ngl 😭
I can definitely agree with the level of play shifting in the last few months. It took me about two months to reach Tekken Emperor with Lee, but I experienced a huge loss streak placing me back to Bushin/ borderline Kishin for about a week. It's getting more difficult to maintain rank and progress due to the diminishing player base.
I managed to get into Tekken King with Kazuya 2 months ago and I had to stop for a while because I got quite stressed by the machups I encountered (dragunov, azuzena, xiayou, nina, feng) until I learned to enjoy the games. I'm proud of it. I hope to reach Supreme with my kazuya with effort and time, enjoying it to the fullest. Thnks TMM!
I need some advice I’m a kaz main who is in Garyu and rn I’m hardstuck I can’t promote myself up there anymore I’m constantly demoting and promoting I even got all the way down to destroyer one time why advice would you recommend for a kaz main whose first tekken is tekken 8
@@seanbrown7083 In my opinion, a good way to get out of red rank is to master the hellsweep to learn to do 50/50 punishments (mid launch or hell). At those ranks there is a lot of reward for low blows since they don't usually crouch, so combining lows with mid launchers is a good way to punish spammers at those levels, although the most important thing of all is that you learn to defend yourself more than attack, since people hit without thinking and you can punish their negative frames. Good luck!
@@seanbrown7083 i noticed most red ranks i verse are very passive. You need to play more aggressive especially in this game. Thats my only advice. I find aggressive kazuyas very hard to deal with
I have a nice tipp for you if you wanna play and don't lose your rank. I did the same i took my lars to Tekken king and just made another account and play with Lars/Claudio where i can just play and enjoy and not worry to much about de-ranking. I mean if people are worthy they will hit this rank again and at the meantime you can learn matchups and work your way up again and you still keep your Tekken king rank on the other account. Cheers.
@@invoked5114 or just play quick play
Can't remember the player name, but I swear I've played Kazuya ranked against Azucena player at Tekken God Supreme with 46 DEFENSE! If that doesn't scream "carried" and "no fundamentals needed, just mash" then I don't know what to say. Also, I saw once a dude on WiFi with 46% of disconnection.. bruh
I think some people got carried by early balancing + influx of new players. Things will stabilize now.
I've played many raijin, bushin and even Tekken emperors and Tekken kings with 40-50 defense. I even got kicked to the ESL playstation tournament losers bracket by a Reina/victor god of destruction with 50 defense. He started with victor and got destroyed. Changed to Reina and 3-0 me by pure spam for 2 matches. Fergus with Asuka ended up winning the tournament and the free flight to ESL. I ended up 30th 😢
It was usually a Reina, king, Kuma/panda, victor or azucena. In one tournament I found a Jin Tekken god with garbage defense.
Tekken 8 is just made like that. Spam wins everything. That's why even knee with his godlike defense is getting blown up. W
@@kato093 Yeah, I got a feeling that even veteran can easily get destroyed by non sense gameplay and it's actually terrifying. All those years of execution and experience mean literally nothing in most cases.
saw the same thing but it was an eddy 🤣 spectated him for a few rounds and yep, bro was not going to stop to block
What's funny is I faced a Bushin Azucena who has 350k prowess (meaning they got G.O.D with another character) and I won them twice with my Garyu Alisa who is like my third main😂😂
I don't think the ranks are inflated anymore. The easy, fresh meat stopped playing the game so now you only have the actual Tekken players fighting each other.
the fresh meat that didnt put any time into learning tekken stopped playing, the fresh meat that did, stayed.
Except this is only applicable to Blue Ranks and up. In Red Ranks I can tell you that there are players who absolutely should not be there. Their lack of character knowledge and Tekken Fundamentals is too significant for them to be anything but Green or Yellow Rank in any other Tekken game.
@@mee091000 Green and Yellow aren't all that far from Red man. Just sounds like you are a below average player. Like Red is literally the median ranks its also like 1/5th of the way to GOD its super early
@@dylansetright3359 *I am in the god ranks lol*
@@dylansetright3359 *Sorry that my comments hurt your feelings but you're rank means nothing lol.*
I agree with this video. I’m Fujin now and it seems not only difficult to exceed but difficult to maintain. I win a little, lose a little, get promoted, get demoted and find myself ultimately stuck in a particular rank for a long while.
The reasoning for that rank deflation that you provided is precisely why others are inflated
I really like the point your brought up at 4:45. As someone who was trying to get to Tekken king it sucked having to fight people that were way out of my skill ceiling just because they were on a sub character. It makes trying to actually get to where you believe your rank is harder because you aren't even fighting people who are the rank you want but way above it.
People put way to much worry about rank. Jus play the matches an lab what u get blown up by so ur stronger next time, no one cares what ur rank is we care about havin a competitive set.
Sure, but the point of a ranked based system is also to evenly match players based on their performance. The dumbass prowess matchmaking system and nonsensical point gain/loss values prevent players from being evenly matched. It's not just about rank, it's about getting to play people who are at your skill level.
Exactly. Have fun, it's a game.
Exactly! And rank is subjective too
I just play for the heck of it. I’m with rouge tho. I’m just looking for competitive matches.
@@Dopameme you don't have to play ranked to find players who are at your skill level, though. You can play player match and accomplish the same thing.
This is my first Tekken ever, I played 1.2k games of Claudio and finally today I reached fujin.
I feel good :3
Good job! That's something to be proud of.
Congrats. Keep it up, buddy!!
That’s how u grind for a reward 😭
Nice man
Fujin still a noob rank.
I once heard in one of his videos that any ranks that you reach with steve had to add one or two more since is a hard character, now watching this video made me really happu about my range and experience in tekken with steve, since this in my first game and made me though that maybe tekken was not for me, this man is really making me put more hours to it, I feel genuine motivation watching this guy
I've only hit mighty ruler twice, with Claudio and Leroy (pre-buff) and currently working on DJin to do the same gauntlet.
Getting to Ruler itself has been harder because of what you said, the people still sticking around are waaaay more into Tekken than we were a few months ago.
True im Kazuya chilling in battle ruler getting people with 280-400k points in the face, it's fun though because i learn a lot.
Babyyy finally hit fujin with kazuya
Nice@@randomdude5430
Once I hit 250k prowess rank became significantly more difficult. I was demoted from tekken king multiple times and even demoted from bushin a few times as well.
Truly hard especially for me who's prowess is only that high cuz nun of my mains from 7 were in the game so i played many others to find the one. my lily went from bushin back to fujin with the 4 others i have there.
I'm glad you brought this up, this phenomenon happens in a lot of games. As the player base decreases, the more hardcore players tend to stay and so the average skill of the average player goes up over time.
It does make me happy to hear that since I'm close to fujin with Kazuya
"anyone can get a higher rank in Tekken 8"
And here I am stuck at Fujin for nearly 2 months.
Blue ranks are the new green ranks
I been stuck at Raijin with Kuma and King for months as well. I Either lose to someone genuinely whooping my ass or being super aggressive without fail, no in between lmao
I was stuck at Fujin for 2 months. Broke the curse a week back and finally made it to Bushin yesterday. My biggest problem was my lack of knowledge against other characters. (I still get knowledge checked but not as constant as be4).
Ps: Yoshi main
@@InventMyTory Stuck with the most bs character? Damn bro. He's about to get ultra nerfed too.
I usually play ranked 1 time a month and when i do I always easly rank up. It's because i play a lot of quick play between session so when i come back I'm so much better than i was before.
I don't feel that bad anymore being stuck at Bushin/Kishin. I was stuck pretty much at Yaksa/Raijin on tekken 7
I second this, exact same situation
I mean, that's part of the game. I'm stuck in Raijin/Kishin. But I also lack the skills to move forward. My offense is too linear, my defense is not that great, and I absolutely struggle against a few characters like yoshi and some "bad characters". Hitting a plateau is normal, it happened in other games i played before, just gotta get better
I was stuck at brawler in tekken 7 as i joined in the last 2 years before tekken 8
Now im bushin after 130 hours and i dont feel like im any better than i was in tekken 7
@@gamigin89damn bruh im Kishin with 600 hours
@@gamigin89
Yep, this is the general sentiment. People denying rank inflation are in denial. Of course you and others got better but it's obvious from basic logic that new players = rank being moved up in general, and that's just one, obvious, reason.
if you rank up, the bar is automatically in the middle means you need a couple of losses before demotion. if youre demoted, you only need to win 1 match after to get back up at the middle of the next rank. in tekken 7 if you got demoted, your bar is at the middle of the previous rank meaning, you need to win a couple of matches to get back up
When I get demoted, my bar is at the middle of my rank and I have to fight to get my promo back. How are y'all getting immediate promotions?
@@Jetanium thats at tekken 7 bro. tekken 8 is different. you only need 1 match after demotion to get back and it goes at the middle when promoted. but i think its at the expense of low win points and higher lost points when losing
@@rhouy22-md7rg I'm talking about Tekken 8. I got demoted from Raijin to Fujin and had to fight my way back. There was no promotion after one win...
@@Jetanium thats news to me dude. im stucked at raijin and fujin. i keep coming back and forth and its the same 1 match promotion every single time i got demoted
@@rhouy22-md7rg I tried to abuse it like everyone else gets to and it works different for me. Every demotion in 8 is treated like 7 for me. Literally the bar goes to the middle of the previous rank.
Playing the ranked match and fighting with Strong players feels like i'm playing with the 2024 Online Tournament of Tekken 8 like literally from *Europians, Asia or your own country* [High Ranks Tourney].
I guess I was just part of the crowd that thought there was a big rank inflation because I played around 700 hours of Tekken 7 and by the end I peaked at Divine Ruler in the purple ranks with Hwo and every rank up was a huge massive challenge that I needed tons of practice in player match to get. Now in Tekken 8 I made it to blue within the first week and I'm at Kishin right now which is toward the higher end of blue which I never even made it to in the first place playing Tekken 7. Anytime I demote it's really easy just to promote back or at least stay within 1 rank of my highest. But I managed to get Raven which is a character I have never played before T8 also at Kishin whereas in T7 any alt characters I had literally struggled in like brown ranks.
the big difference is how many newer players there are in 8. if you were playing on pc especially near the end of tekken 7s life, you were fighting much stronger and more dedicated players in red lol. i remember jin players in genbu with like 3000+ wins.
i assume you didn't play tekken 7 at the start right? if so it's only natural that it's harder there since only OGs/new accounts are playing ranked
@@foxghost11 Yeah I started around the beginning of season 3
You have 700 hours on your back that made you rank easier on tekken 8 while on 7 it was your first tekken, not hard to figure out
The only thing i don't like abt rank is when you beat a higher ranked opponent, you don't get big points alot of times. Let's say you're an fujin, and you beat a tekken king. You might get 400+ points, the same as if you beat a mighty ruler. That doesn't make sense to me 🤷♂️ the higher ranked opponent you beat. Theoretically, you should get higher points imo.
Agree.
It's supposed to be that way. If you can't consistently beat someone higher rank than you, you don't deserve to be in their rank. Think about it logically.
Thank you for helping me feel better. I can't rank up for shit, stuck in red rank, seemingly forever
This is my 1st online Tekken
it feels great playing good matches with your character(s) win or lose, I will stay so long as I can find matches.
Sometimes you're the hammer sometimes you're the nail. Always trying to improve.
Love you TMM
The one who said “Tekken Emperor is the new Fujin” was Speedkicks. And last I checked the dude doesn’t play ranked at all and his Hwoarang is still at strategist.
Im going to assume this comment is made in jest, but just in case you don't know who speedkicks is, he's one of the strongest Hwos. He's not competed as much as he used to if i recall and im sure he doesn't care about rank at all. He probably just grinds offline/in TM/lobbies
@@pointlessaccount100 he didn't say SK wasn't a good player but if he really played no ranked at all then how does he know what the playerbase is like
Lmao you are... VERY uninformed my dude
Nah but I kinda agree tbh, a lot of people in t7 who use to be hard sick blues are TK in t8, but TG and higher, ranked feels the same as T7 just without death matches
@@pointlessaccount100 I know exactly who speedkicks is Mr. professional dick holder. I’m just pointing out is he refuses to play ranked yet has no problems about being the “expert opinion” on the matter.
8:40 I'm proud of myself for hitting Eliminator with Lily xd
I don't need no blue/purple or king rank for that
I've gotten Fujin with two characters but have been hard stuck there for months, now. I'll make some progress through the rank some days then run into guys who know my own strings and mixups better than I do only to get demoted then push back into the rank. It's at Fujin where things get really messy on the ranked grind.
Bro for you to articulate that means you're a bright person. You must know why you're losing in retrospect?
@@Donalob Oh it's entirely matchup knowledge at that point. But the reality is that no one is going to learn the matchup in a first to two or worse when someone one and dones. It's just impossible in the moment when up against smurfs. And because matchmaking is the same for Quick Match it isn't much better when playing casually. Not everyone can find a group to play with consistently or run deathmatches.
Reached Tekken King with byron yesterday
It was a brutal experience
Especially when the opponent knows the matchup
You have to play almost perfect to win but in the end it is really rewarding
And sometimes there are people sitting at Raijin who are completely carried and its always the victors and alisas who cant even block a snake edge, even when i spam it 😂
I wish matchmaking were faster
Im jumping between Garyu and Eliminator becasue when i promoted to Garyu i starting to get Flame ruler, Mighty ruler enemies. Even in Eliminator. I was Eliminator and i got a Mighty Ruler King...... and my setup is +-3.....
Change it to +-2 lol
Bro did you know that Mighty Ruler is 3 ranks away from Garyu lol
Yeah but Flame ruler isn't 3 ranks away from eliminator. neither Mighty Ruler.. I have pictures that i got a TENRYU enemy when i was in Assailant. 1 Hworang and right after that 1 Yoshi.
@@ArgentumHQ I tried. but nothing changed.
@@peterkelemen5981 it said preferably 3 ranks away. Change it to +-2. It’s strict
Speaking of ranks, I'm only Destroyer with a 90k prowess(I don't get to play much). Why would I often be matched up against Shinryu, Tenryu, Mighty Rulers, and Battle Rulers and people with prowess of 120k+, is that normal?
Is there a setting to only play people around my rank?
As someone with multiple TTGs in T7, I just bought T8 pretty recently (during the Namdai sale) and got up to the blue ranks pretty quickly, in just a few hours. But I'm currently stuck in Bushin lol. I think this is where the crazy stuff like King's armored charge and Nina's stupid damage output are fully abused
2:10 no way, i disagree - there are people who know nothing about fundamentals in tekken like backdash or -frames still they can get to emperor by avoiding playing tekken as xiayo, raven, zafina. It's pathetic to see that. Also you can't tell me that playing Jun/Feng/King/Drag and getting Tekken Emperor is hard in anyway, those heatsmash/heatbursts carry by their own by pressing one single button zero execution i'm not talking about something like Kaz/Bryan.
If you’re falling to Drag’s heat smash then you can’t step mate I’m sorry. King’s heat smash is busted, Jun’s is annoying, but Xiao is a hard character that’s overturned, Raven can be quite complex, and Zafina isn’t easy to use either.
Jun is strong cheap character right? Playing game for you. Estus flask. Save launchers. Also this stupid HOMING heat smash which is like desert eagle. Right?
@@TheFaisalanoWhat's the points of your comment? You can avoid playing tekken completely with those characters.
@@crusaderflo1965 that you’re just unwilling to accept that they have counterplay. Drag was oppressive at launch but has counterplay now, so do Raven, Zafina and Xiao - they are just lab characters. If you think you’re playing “real” Tekken so much better than your opponent and still losing then you are either lacking in match up knowledge (which is a part of the core of the game, or real Tekken) or are getting outplayed. The only legitimately busted one is King, but playing King to full efficiency or generally well is actually quite difficult. His cheese (running shining wizard, giant swing spam, armor) if spammed recklessly has very clear counterplay.
Now of course character picks are a huge part of any fighting game - a Kaz will have a harder time against these characters than say a Jin, but at this stage of the game’s life cycle unless you’re plugging and getting extraordinarily lucky in your opponents you will not hit emperor without some decent fundamentals.
I'm TG myself and I can tell you there are so many people that doesn't belong there. They didn't understand the basis of tekken and still can hit such ranks. Ofc they have clear counterplay, but is everyone labbing every character 1h per week? I don't think so. If you pick these characters you are just a cheese king.
Also your argumentation makes no sense, telling me everything has counterplay and in the next sentence you are saying King is different, King also has counterplay, but still he's cheap asf.
you should be proud of yourself if you hit fujin...with a mishima.
THANK YOU I worked my ass off for Fujin and Im like trying my best here
I think both is true, but it depends on the rank. It's very easy to rank up to Warrior. And if people have some dedication it's relatively easier to reach Fujin compared to T7. But from there up to the highest ranks, it's getting really hard and this is where deflation starts. And the inflation is between Warrior and Fujin.
I just hit Fujin a few days ago, and this is really validating. I look forward to fighting you online 🙏🏾
I'm a new player, 120 hours in at fujin, and these people are mindless animals.
Don't waste time thinking about mixups, just do your frame traps.
I remember taking a round of a tekken king by literally doing the same move over and over, and he couldn't stop pressing. It's honestly depressing.
who do you play?
If you play some rare characters, it is possible because people don't know matchup. Lol
@@ragnarok7452 You're not gonna believe this, but I play reina and the move was 1,1,2,sentai 3 into 1,1,2 sentai 3 over and over.
And I should add his main was tekken king, but he was playing a different character around purple rank.
My cope is that he was either tired, gave the account to somebody else to play or that the guy bought the account.
But either way the ranks are inflated, I SHOULDN'T be at this rank.
@@RATTLESNAKE209 Maybe it is just a shared account. Like you pass the controller to your younger siblings when they want to play. Anyways being tired can also affect their reaction and pattern recognition. Other factors include getting rusty(which is plausible if you only play on weekends).
@@RATTLESNAKE209 Or maybe they were expecting that you would do something different which is why they fell for no mixup mixup. Reina can be pretty oppressive online.
I have similar experience. In T7 I was Ryujin/Emperor. Now mostly Raijin on all my characters.
i'm at Fujin right now so thank you
Thanks for validating that I've actually improved and not just have my rank inflated. Was Yaksa in T7, TGS now.
Who do you main in T8?
@@Dragoncannon4 King since T7
the fact that you needed a validation from other players to rate your skill speaks a lot.
@@G2P7 Validation from MainMan is fine by me. Watched him since T6 days, learned a fuck ton from his videos.
Ahh Yeah the 1 Button 70 damage (ch + rage) heatsmash + hard af to break and homeing ch throws of Tekken 7 King... Who doesnt remember this t7 King. Glad that this isnt the case in 8 anymore.
I think what people are blatantly ignoring is what time you started playing ranked. If you play Tekken 7 ranked in the early/beginning stages of the game then of course it was easier to climb ranks. I started when the game only had like one year left and because of that I was only running into TGO players playing on alt characters. In Tekken 8 since the game is still relatively new it feels a lot easier to climb.
This is not true at all. It has never been harder to rank up than in the beginning of T7. You couldn't get out of green ranks without knowing basic punishment and throw breaking. Everyone was stuck there. Seasoned players were up to red and pros were in purple. There's a reason the term "green rank hell" was invented, and it is from this time.
I would say it is also character-dependent. I could never get out of orange ranks in Tekken 7, while in T8 I got into reds in just 2 weeks with Xiaoyu.
And now I'm in Rulers, a level I could never even dream of in T7.
Definitely character dependent which is why I’m interested in trying characters that I’ve never played to get a real grasp on whether it’s my fundamentals or character knowledge that needs to improve. Either way it will be beneficial
Does region also play into it?
3:42 "Bussin" 😭😭😭💀
Thank God, now I can feel good about my rank again, I am a Flame Ruler Bryan and all this talk about rank inflation was making me feel like I'm orange skill level
Very good rank if ur a Bryan main, I can see he is an honest character with very difficult tools like TJU. Much respect to all you Bryan mains, lowkey thinking abt playing him cause of his cool taunt dash
@@ricey3952 I actually mained drag in 7 (when I started taking Tekken seriously), but switched to Bryan in 8 due to drag being overtuned. I spent a lot of hours learning all the cool taunt stuff and I'm having a blast with it, but Bryan does work very hard. Thank you for your kind words : )
What people need to understand is that literally nothing from r/Tekken is worth considering in any serious light. I mean it, that community is pure copium and brain rot. There's nothing there. Let your own experience speak for itself.
@@Authura Yes, the more I interact with it, the more it seems you are right. I let their words get to me too much tbh, and it has put me and many others players in a very negative mindset for this game and ranked in general.
Flame ruler as bryan is very respectable but you shouldn't judge yourself based on rank like that anyway. Keep up the grind
Got promoted to tekken king last week, and the next day got demoted all the way down to fujin, currently bushin working my way back up
I finally did it! Hit Fujin rank with Jin today
And here I'm proud that I got to orange with Bryan... Fuck me
nah you doin good g, bryan is a very hard char to learn and use! keep at it
Nah it’s the small victories that count the most I honestly think getting harder characters up the ranks is more impressive than getting let’s say pre-nerfed drag, victor, and pre-nerfed azucena up there good shit
TMM doesn't fully understand how this system works, but I can't blame him. There is both rank inflation and deflation occurring, and the culprit is prowess matchmaking.
Let's say you are trying to reach Tekken King. If you only play 1 character, you are shielded from fighting Tekken Kings until you reach that rank yourself. The average TK has 230k prowess, a Bushin with 1 character will have 190k, so they almost never match into TKs. In this case, the game is literally giving you easier matches because of prowess. The same goes for all ranked milestones that give a prowess boost. In the previous system, a Battle Ruler usually had to beat people in Fujin-Raijin to get into Fujin (for example), now they don't. The result is undeniable rank inflation.
But rank deflation also occurs for a couple reasons. For one, every character you rank up increases your prowess, a global matchmaking value. That basically means you can make your matchups harder across all characters by ranking up alt characters. Your inflated prowess will cause you to match into players above your rank. If they are outside your ±2 rank range, it will be players from that higher rank playing an alt inside your rank range instead. Players in this situation get harder matches than they should, so they get demoted further than they should, and there's the rank deflation. TMM is severely affected by this; he gets harder matches than most because he plays many characters.
But also, when you hit a ranked milestone like Garyu, Mighty Ruler, Fujin, Tekken King, etc. your prowess gets a huge bonus that will never be reversed, even if you derank. That means you don't really have ±2 rank range; you will only fight people at your rank or higher. So this is another source of rank deflation.
Very true. I didnt bother yet to learn this game, so i messed around and picked up 11 characters so far and got them to tenryu. With each new char it became harder to win matches coz my prowess got higher. The average prowess of my opponents is like 170k, so most of them were like blue rank. Ranked up King a few days ago to mighty ruler, my prowess is now 173k.. -.- #
so yea i see now also people with around 200k prowess without having a main xD
Will say sometimes the Prowess match making says fuck you, I was a 190k playing my Red Ranks Claudio and fought a 250k Tekken King Leroy and lost 500 points for the match too. Or say 198k mid blue ranks and played a 440k Tekken King Xiao
@@dylansetright3359 That's because the prowess system will let you match outside your prowess range if you or your opponent has spent a long enough time in queue. The reason they made it work this way is because if you match based on prowess + rank, you cut down the possible pool of players people can match with tremendously. For some players (often those with high prowess in a lower rank), this means they sometimes would get no matches. So Bamco also had to add some condition where players can match outside their prowess range if they dont find a match after a while.
In other words, the system isn't saying "fuck you". It's a failsafe that prevents certain players from never getting a match.
The ranked system overall is rather complicated right now. There are a lot of rules around prowess, and I notice people frequently misunderstand how its working. It is the worst ranked system I have seen in my entire life. It's almost commendable how much Bamco has managed to fuck up basic matchmaking (instead of just using Glicko/MMR like any ranked system should).
Thats why i mever match with TK, bc i only play one character and im at like 195k Prowess and Bushin. I fight Fujins, Raijins most of the time and honestly, after some time its really annoying bc i just wanna fight higher ranks to improve. Matching with TK or even higher is impossible for me.
@@gul9593 You are correct, that's exactly why you don't really fight Tekken Kings at Bushin. There's no way this isn't causing rank inflation for many players, prowess can literally force you to get easier matches than before it was implemented. Sadly, people really don't seem to understand how the prowess system works. If everyone fully understood it, far less people would support it.
Great point!
I have a friend that is playing King - Tekken 8 is his first fighting game and he is a couple of wins off reaching Mighty Ruler. How is this even possible? An array of cheese. OP heat smash, FC df1 sweep, shining wizard, the list goes on....
Nah truth be told many of these purple ranks play like yellow ranks, and these blue ranks play like orange/red ranks. The inflation is real. If your constantly still stuck in a rank for a long time or are constantly demoting or cant maintain your rank, then you probably aren't ready of that rank. So many purple and even blue ranks cant break throws, dont understand neutral and okizemi, never sidestep or walk, and have terrible character knowledge. Rank isn't easier but much more forgiving compared to previous games. (T6,Tag2, even T7). Namcos goal is to keep a large portion of people playing so the insentive to keep playing is trying to make them feel good about their rank.
Bro saw the intro and commented… 🤡
@@GrogedUp bro I watched the whole thing and I'm simply just stating my thoughts man. I don't even disagree with what Tmm said in the vid. Why do y'all ride on Tmm so much???
@@trashboat4731 oh it’s you twice I don’t really care enough to read your short story still not sure why you think you have a better(more objective) thought process then TMM though your not he/him
@@GrogedUp dawg I've been playing since late t6 and tag 2. I've been watching mainman since the beginning early stream and still a huge fan of him. I'm just saying from my perspective from NA online, since he is Europe it's much different. I was yellow in tag 2, Tekken king in T7 and hit Tekken God in T8. Despite this I'm not saying my experience outweighs Tmm but I'm not gonna doubt myself.
@@trashboat4731 I can respect that but he’s been playing twice as long as you lol. I just thought it was annoying how you said “nah truth be told” when I knew you just haven’t played as long. it just seemed disrespectful to TMM
However you are entitled to your own opinion as I am to mine.
Get a rank in real life
but there is rank inflation too.
i will rank there only when the matchmaking is normalized
I'll say that rank inflation kinda occurs, but not in high ranks for sure - there is in fact as TMM put it: deflation instead. I was TTG on main (Brayan) and TG on secondary in T7, play in tournaments for the last three years. Yet, in T8 I have only managed to get to Tekken Emperor with some serious struggle (it took me like three days of ranked sessions to promote from TK to TE, while I've speedrun the TTG in T7 in like 60 hours after comming from console with TK to PC) and was quickly getting burned out due to never ending sweat and the way the rank system works.
Honestly though, I'll say that ranking and keeping the rank in T8 is way easier than it was in T7, however it is true only until a certain point (i.e. Tekken King) from where the game turns to extremes. Because unlike in T7 where you were getting and losing same points (unless 3-loss steak on TGP+), in T8 you get less points (also the same amount regardless of rank difference of +1 or +2 below opponent) and lose way more. Essentially, you MUST win streak on the regular in literally the sweatiest bracket to offset a single lost set just so you won't lose all the progress.
On the prowess thing: it should help agaisnt smurfing, but it really doesn't because of how Prowess is distributed (especially the part where losing a Rank does not drop it much at all, meaing that you can progressively make your situation worse by Promoting-Demoting.. Subs also screw players over, especially people in purple and blue). While I personally think that the intent is probably for the better, the result is really terrible. Hoewever not for the ranked specificly (granted I'm not playing it as much these day, but the amount of opponent repeats I've had when ranking up Paul was ridiculous), but for quick matches. Why do those follow the same rules, I do not understand at all. And it might sound like this is me wanting to "stomp scrubs" there, but no. My biggest issue are the queue times, that can get astonishingly terrible there. Waiting 10 minutes for a quick match (even with resets) is really beating the purpose of the mode.
I just reached Fujin yesterday and this makes me feel better because I was a believer of this rankflation as well. I came to my own conclusion and wasn't influenced by posts cause I know someone who's in the red ranks in 8 but couldn't reach Genbu in 7. I reached Raijin in 7 but got demoted back to Eternal Ruler and I was just reaching and getting kicked back to Fujin and Eternal Ruler and never reach past Raijin. Then 8 was released and in just a few days, I'm at Shinryu. But I can confirm that it is sweaty gaming in the late ruler ranks in Tekken 8. You will have to work for that Fujin.
So like, I'm guilty of this myself. I weight train and I bench 120kg pretty easily. I feel like bench pressing 100kg isn't hard and I can easily do it for a lot of reps and as part of a superset and for multiple sets. I feel like it's super easy. I feel like anyone can do it. I don't know why people think it's hard, it's not hard to do. I got to it pretty easily and I've never found it that challenging.
But according to google 1% of people can do that and 99% of people can't. I hang around with strong people so we all feel like it's easy and I've not seen them struggle but me feeling like that just makes other people feel crap about their own accomplishments and means I'm putting 1% as being "average" since I don't think of elite starting until 140kg and above
When I see these like "anyone can get emperor" takes i'm like well why are less than 2% of players there?
Tekken is one of the most weridly guarded communities I've ever been a part of and anyone below the top like 5% just seem to feel like everyone else isn't even playing the game. Like if you're not Bushin what are you even doing? But then why are so many people struggling to get to that point?
I think when you do something that often and it becomes a second nature to you then you start to disconnect what it's like for the average person trying to do that thing as well
Just adding to this. I love Main mans take here. Nice to hear a voice like that coming from someone with his experience level
I was emperor in Tekken 7, now I’m Kishin in Tekken 8.
It’s really not that simple TMM.
bro didnt watch the video
watch the video genius
Yea watch the video man, right after he said that he said there is no rank inflation
Watch the video all the way through.
was fujin with jin on 7
getting TK here is tough especially with those victors and alisas lmao
I've been hard stuck Battle Ruler with Kazuya for about a month now, I dont really grind rank every day mind you but i do a push atleast once a week and ping pong within the rank
It REALLY is a case of absolute compression on both sides right between purple and blue ranks. Prior to Blue, ranking up is (in comparison) easier because more points being gained on a win than a loss, thus a slight inflation over time, where blue ranks is the opposite and acts as a counterbalance due to 1:1 win/loss points deligation and loss streaks. I think it was intentionally designed to be this way, so that not everyone can become Gold ranks (given time and inflation) but it makes blue ranks a hard wall compared to every previous rank, same with how warrior introduces the possibility of losing points. Its reflected in the rank distribution, every color rank has a peak at the beginning but Fujin is almost as populated as Garyu for multiple reasons. The aforementioned struggle to get beyond fujin with whats said in the video, the difficulty tweak at said rank. Similarly, because the playerbase is so saturated in these areas, the climb in and around it is the most fun and diverse set of players
I think overall this squeeze is really cool and interesting, but it creates a weird space for people like myself where you're in this kinda "best of the worst players, not worst of the best players" environment a lot of the time, especially if you have multiple characters in Flame Ruler or higher
Hi, Steve/Bryan main here. Started playing ranked late in Tekken 7 and plateaud at purple ranks with both characters, while at Tekken 8 I hit Tekken King with Steve and Kishin with Bryan (before running off to SF6 for a bit to wash out the salt. I'll be back when I find some GoD's to beat me up and tell me what I'm lacking). The fundamentals from 7 gave me an edge over most unga, but there's some stuff I just can't hold. Just an example of how legacy skills still kinda carry over and can get you places in this game.
Completely agree, and on top of that if you add the game’s balancing, in which after a certain rank ppl only take broken S+ characters, and the online system that does no incentivizes ppl to rematch, and you have a really tough time ranking up your honest character
This is my first tekken game and I got to fujin with Lee in 400 matches, is my rank inflated?
I was Fujin with Bryan in Tekken 7 and I struggled a lot to get Tekken King in this game...
It's crazy because I was aiming on Fujin. I didn't need anything more that honestly. I'll still try though lol
I made it to Fujin in Tekken 7, and I’m currently in Bushin
Went from hard stuck Dan 2 to green rank in tekken 7 to bushin rank in tekken 8. Did I get gud?
You're absolutely right, it took me a while with eddy gordo to get TGOD even though e'm competitive Tekken player in Pakistan for 15 years!
I'm a Fujin Bryan main. Got matched with two Feng players. One was a 170k player and the other was a 320k player. I ironically managed to beat the higher prowess player. But I'm currently of the mindset that I'm happy enough with my Fujin rank that I'm not driven to rank up again for a while. I'd rather wait for things to balance out because every second match I'm getting is a GoD player.
I’ve made it to Fujin with Claudio & Raven lol I feel like I could be higher but I always have to work. 😭
I play ranked casually after work and I'm proud that I continue to promote now because I was stuck between orange and red ranks for like a few days because I focused solely on defense and get smoked cuz id just block and people would happily keep spamming in my face, so id constantly lab basic punishes for most characters and watching my replays of me getting smoked to learn what to duck, step and whatnot so now my suffering seems to have paid off cuz I have a better time with defense and thus can promote easier now
In my and my friends' experience, it's the lower ranks (green-orange-red) that are inflated and higher ranks (Tekken King and up) that are deflated, with purple-blue being mostly the same.
In T7, red rank usually meant you're a pretty good player with solid character knowledge and some matchup experience. In T8, I'd say this cutoff is at purple ranks instead.
Tonic is Bushin now. I played with him yesterday.. He Tekken god omega in tekken 7
My rank is BAGOOSH with mokujin. Is that good?
He’s spot on I was wondering wht was goin on
Tekken 8 really speedran to the late T7 ranked experience with everyone punching down and making it really hard for newer players focusing on one character or vets learning new characters. Kinda crazy ngl.
I totally agree my Jin is fujin and I’ve been demoting quite a lot I was very close to reach raining and all of a sudden I was match against a tekken god supreme and god of destruction it does get anoyying
is my raijin Devil Jin good? I was tekken King but since prowess matchmaking had me fight tekken kings/gods even on a secondary character. Am I still good? I still win 54% of my games
yeah
I went from divine ruler with steve in t7 to tekken king in t8, dont know if i've genuinely improved that much in such a short space of time or if there is some inflation going on, or both
Probably a mix of both
i just hit mighty ruler with bryan, feels good tbh but i got matched with another bryan and somehow got destroyed lol
this is the highest rank i've ever hit in any tekken game which makes me proud tbh but it shows that there's still much more room for improvment. i'm excited to see what my full potential looks like as a bryan otp.
I think there is some level of inflation due to how easy it is to win with rage and heat abuse especially if they are using op character
I think a better way to look at it is this, fujin onwards real hard, but below fujin then yeah people have been pushed up imo.
TMM taught me that law slide tracks to both sides.
Hi MainMan! I think you are so hilarious! Easy subscribe! I just hit Tekken King with my Auska Today after three months of play! It feels awesome and definitely a major feat!
So agree with you. Recently got my lili to mighty rueler from calv rank took me 2 days but can say the amount of skill a orange, red and purple player has can be felt quite a bit. Like orange rank usually no fudnamentals people have often can easily be punished, red you start seeing people start playing some what defense, purple rank you see people start using proper spacing and you see them also defending a lot more. Every color you go up you can feel quite a massive difference to the previous one least in my experience on NA servers. The only people who think ranked is easy are people that use cheese to get high ranks like victor where they could easily abuse his stupid grab bug and his other dumb moves. Or eddy since hes newer character that came out and if you don't know his match up he can be annoying to fight.
But you play a character like kaz, lili, reina, few others like you have to actually understand concepts like spacing, defense and also how to apply pressure, break grabs ect cause you cant just cheese your way through. And as people learn match ups the game just gets increasingly more difficult. Maybe im wrong tho idk.
As someone who started playing Tekken 8 two months after its release I was expecting to mindlessly go through green, yellow and orange ranks and start actually playing basic tekken at red and purple and then advanced tekken at blue and above.
But no, right from orange ranks some (not all) players were very observant and responsive. They could not only see what I was trying to do but adapt to it and I actually had to play layer 2 right from red ranks. I think namco providing frame data in the base game, the abundance of character guides on youtube and guys like mainman and phidx teaching core tekken concepts that complete beginners can understand and apply has been the main reason for it and it makes me really happy.
I remember in T7 watching an old aris video where he was spamming a low poke against a red rank paul during a ranked match in hopes to teach his opponent that you can actually punish a low with while rising 4. The poor guy kept trying to deathfist it and boy have we come so far from those days.
Great video
TMM gets it. As a man who was TGO in Tekken 7 and now struggling to maintain Tekken King rank, I 100% agree that "rank deflation" is what's actually happening lol. I am enjoying the challenge tho!