Evidences of the Book of Mormon: Translation
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- Joseph Smith claimed that in 1827 an angel named Moroni led him to a set of golden plates which he then translated “by the gift and power of God.” The resulting translation was published in 1830 as the Book of Mormon. Those skeptical of Joseph Smith’s claims sometimes insist that his account of the coming forth of the book is simply too absurd to be taken seriously. Angels, golden plates, seer stones, and a miraculous translation make an easy target for satirists to mock and skeptics to dismiss out of hand.
What is the actual history of the coming forth and translation of the Book of Mormon? Is there any historical evidence for Joseph Smith’s own version of how he produced the book? As described in this video, multiple eyewitnesses left detailed accounts of the miraculous translation process. Not only are their
stories remarkably consistent, but they are supported by scribal evidence from the original manuscript upon which the Book of Mormon was written. When combined together, these evidences strongly support Joseph Smith's testimony about the Book of Mormon's divine origin.
For more information about the translation of the Book of Mormon, read the LDS Church’s Gospel Topics essay here: www.lds.org/to...
For a detailed description of the process by which Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon, read: Michael Hubbard MacKay and Gerrit J. Dirkmaat, From Darkness unto Light: Joseph Smith's Translation and Publication of the Book of Mormon, (Deseret Book and RSC BYU 2015)
See also the KnoWhy articles on the coming forth of the Book of Mormon here: knowhy.bookofm...
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On multiple occasions Joseph Smith proved himself unable to translate ancient egyptian
Literally the history of Joseph Smith in the book of Mormon that you told in this video is exactly what South Park portrayed in that episode 🤣
I mean pretty much..lol
😂
And that’s how I know it’s true🙌🏽 South Park owners are Ex Mormons
@@pckgaming7350 i cant tell if your joking lol
Dum dum dum dum dum dum…dum? 🧐🤪
The narrative of the top hat was not taught by the church until recently. It only appeared in the gospel topics essays after 2013. Before that we were taught JS translated directly from the plates to Harris, Cowdery or Emma Smith using the urim and thummim. So the narrative has changed from what was taught before. If you look at the Ensign cover for Feb. 2001 you will clearly see the old method of translation.
The Church has lied to Us all the time , now it's being forced to tell the truth bcz of the pressure of the media.
Scott brother, I disagree a wee. In September, 1974, the Church published a vignette article in the Children’s magazine _Friend,_ in which Joseph Smith’s use of a seer stone was described. There is nothing really noteworthy about the Prophet using a method to block out ambient light. And the fact that church art chose not to emphasize it means nothing. Further, church art does not equate to “what the church teaches” any more than the art in the Sistine Chapel defined Catholic doctrine. Art means to inspire the heart, not necessarily to teach trivia. And the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has not endeavored to _conceal_ it’s history. Rather, it has been a matter of _emphasis,_ and teaching things that matter most.
@@Glen.Danielsen i understand that once in 1974, they mentioned the seer stones.
But what troubles myself and many people, is that, why did they EVER teach, and publish ANYTHING other than that?
Why was there so many pictures, and teachings, published by the church, depicting a translation method that NEVER HAPPENED.
Why were we EVER taught anything other than the truth?
@@mikkifrompreston4396 Good chap of flap: using a method _to block out light_ was never an issue of embarrassment, and for that matter, wasn’t important. The dread is in your head. The Church was never being evasive or concealing about translation tools-it’s a big _so what._ It’s really none of our business which translation method the Lord chose to bring about his Word anyway. With Moses, he used a burning bush that did not consume. What if he gave Joseph Smith an ignited tumbleweed? What if a talking horse? Brother, the bother is just a boogeyman. You’re saying the Church was being dishonest, which is nuts. Bloke of blight not light, of dark trademark! Consort of snort, negligible niggle, session of obsession! (Now look what you’ve done-you’ve triggered my word weirdness, penchant for pun and fun!) Tongue with taint and complaint, of resistance this instance, of yell full of smell, promoter of odor! Mongrel of scandal, scandalous scoundrel, cherished terrorist, rowdy roustabout: stop with your laptop, give it a rest, be blessed. Have peace. 💛🙏🏽
@@Glen.Danielsen I never said the seer stone method to "block out light" as an "issue of embarrassment".
What im asking, is WHY did they teach for so many years that the translation process was done *in a completely different way* than using seer stones in a hat?
You claim the church was never evasive or concealing of translation tools, but why *did they EVER teach and publish historically incorrect methods* in which Joseph Smiths translation the plates?
It’s also interesting to note that there are sections of the Book of Mormon where Isaiah is quoted but said quotations don’t match up with the Bible. They do however match perfectly with the translation of Isaiah from the Dead Sea Scrolls which wouldn’t be found until 90 years after Joseph Smith’s death.
It dont line up bcuz the book contradicts it self
The Book of Mormon may not match the King James Version of Isaiah exactly, but other versions of Isaiah were available to Joseph Smith. Other similarities to the Dead Sea scrolls, such as adding the word “and”, are easily attributed to the kinds of things one might inadvertently add or rephrase while quoting from memory with his head in a hat.
@@CarlosRodriguez-hb3vq but he wasn't quoting from memory? Wasn't he translating the direct words of the prophets of the book of mormom through the power of God?
This video was informative and concise, but due to the fact that NOT A SECOND of the video was in defense of South Park's claims, to defend the credibility of the Mormon belief system OR defend John Smith... I'm more inclined to simply research the details MYSELF. There are holes in MUCH of your details; you're leaving out valuable facts in the story about HOW the plates were translated, as well.
well answer these questions
If the gold plates never existed, how did Joseph get numerous witnesses to stand by their stories until their dying day, even when some of them later became angry with Joseph and left the Church?
How could Joseph have known about ancient cement technology in the first century B.C. in Mesoamerica?
How could Joseph Smith make up dozens of names in the Book of Mormon that would later be shown to be authentic ancient Semitic names?
Where did Joseph Smith get the idea of ancient scriptures written on metal plates?
How did Joseph Smith know about ancient practices regarding preservations of sacred texts?
Why do other ancient documents support the Book of Mormon's idea that the ancient Joseph prophesied of Moses and Aaron?
If there was no apostasy in the Church of Jesus Christ, then what happened to prophets?
If Joseph Smith just made up the idea of vicarious baptism for the dead, why do numerous ancient documents validate the LDS claim that this was an authentic early Christian practice?
At a time when all Christian churches taught that temples were no longer needed, how did Joseph so effectively restore the ancient temple concept on his own?
What other church better corresponds with early Christianity in terms of teaching the true relationship between faith, grace, and works?
Why do the earliest Christian writings sound much closer to LDS theology than they to modern "mainstream" Christianity?
If it's unchristian, unbiblical, and evil to believe that humans have divine potential, why do many Biblical and early Christian sources speak of the humans becoming "gods"?
If the Bible is infallible, by whose authority were the various books of the Bible selected in an infallible manner? By whose authority were the infallible translations made and approved?
Who authorized the changes in the ritual of baptism that occurred since the New Testament Church? And who in your church has true authority from God to perform baptisms?
If the Book of Abraham is a fraud, then how do you account for the details in the text that would later be given extensive support by numerous ancient documents that were not available to Joseph Smith?
I love that you made this video. Thank you for this video. I wondered if y’all were nuts. Now I know.
It's amazing what indoctrination at a young age can do.
@@benjaminlyon7095 indoctrination and confirmation bias are pretty powerful.
Are only we nuts, or are all who believe in something nuts as well?
Yeah this was a big ol' bag of crazy.
Are angels talked about in the old and New Testament also Crazy?
Wonderful episode. I was baptized at the age of 12 (1972) in Barcelona. I read KonTiki and Ra I, Ra II from Thor Heyerdhal after reading the Book of Mormon. I was just a teenager by the time, but passionate about the evidences of the truth of the Book of Mormon. Thanks for your work and make truth one of my dreams.
Thanks for sharing and taking the time to watch!
You guys can hate and argue all you want. The book if Mormon is true. Read it for yourself.
I have, and it's not.
because you did not try to understand it, or you never pray before reading.
@@gwynethdeleon9291 Hardly an argument Gwyneth. Is that only defense? Are you aware that in the history of the Mormon church, that Moroni told Joseph to come back the next year before he could get the golden plates? Are you aware that Moroni told him to bring his oldest brother Alvin with him?
How is it that Moroni asked that of Joseph and Alvin died shortly thereafter? That's right...this is recorded by Mormon historians Gwyneth. I would urge you to study up a bit more. Quit parroting what you've heard from other Mormons without doing your own due diligence and research. You're smarter than that Gwyneth.
@@gwynethdeleon9291 So what do you say to those that have prayed, read the Koran, and know it's true?
@@blisham9580 Muslims don't pray to know if things are true. Revelation to them stopped when their prophet Muhammad died.
Here's a quick look at the testimony of the 'three witnesses' to the book of Mormon.
Assuming that these three men actually saw, handled, and examined metallic plates with 'writing' on them, they could have no possible way of knowing the meaning (if any), of anything inscribed on them as they were, according to Joseph Smith, 'reformed Egyptian', a language unknown both then and now.
Also, they would had no way of knowing if they were fake or real, or if Joseph Smith actually found them, or when or where.
Their testimony was simply that they believed what Joseph Smith told them, nothing more and nothing less.
This belief and trust in Joseph Smith's testimony converted them into becoming his earliest followers.
This same trust in the teachings writings and practices of this one man, Joseph Smith, remains as the heart and foundation of the Mormon faith.
Kind regards to all, especially dear Mormon folk.
In the 80s they would teach you Latin and Egyptian Sand Script and a paragraph or two about Ancient Astronauts. It was the tale end of actual racism. Where you can smack your wife and beat your kid at the Commissary and blame it on alcoholism. We can set that part aside that god led him too the plates and they killed him because he wouldn’t say where he found them because gold is money. The guy transcribed the text with stones and was able to breathe life into a dead language for everyone. The Vatican The Smithsonian and Egyptian Government are against findings that contradicts their beliefs. Withholding knowledge is power only know we have internet. This is not the end of times only end of era.
Geoff Noyes, everything you've said is correct, except while the three witnesses were busy seeing the plates, they were also standing in the presence of an angel, which is also part of their testimonies. So it's undeniably true that no one could understand a single word of "reformed egyptian" (not even Joseph Smith.) It's also undeniably true that it would be difficult to disbelieve when Joseph is being backed-up by an angel.
@@admiralwasteland1687 you know they translated the scroll and found nothing in comparison to what was written by Joseph smith, and this even includes members of the Mormon Church..
@@Aoekin the long scroll from which the translation of the BoA came from has not been found
The scroll and the BoM are two separate things. The Book of Mormon was on gold plates, while the Pearl of Great Price was on scrolls.
The scroll that contained the PoGP was destroyed in a fire ( if I remember right). But it doesn't matter if you have no faith.
Could God have anyone do anything He wanted? Could he choose a farm boy with little education to bring forth a book as wonderful as the BoM? If you agree He could, then the BoM could be true. If you limit God and disagree, then you have no faith.
As a member of thr Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints I believe God can do whatever He wants to do. God has no limits in my eyes.
I knew about the hat 40+ years ago. Never thought it was any stranger than what is found in the Bible. I can understand why the church minimized the hat to avoid confusion.
@ David Hawkins - can you help me understand a little better what the church’s goal in minimizing the hat story would be if it is true.
@@gtf5392 the hat is no more mysterious than seer stones (Urim and Thummim) which High Priests used, or objects such as the rod of Aaron, a brass serpent, and the ark of the covenant. We read that Jesus later healed a blind man by applying spittle to the man’s eyes. What about Moses’ staff turning into a serpent? The Bible is full of things a person could see as unreal, nonsense or superstitious. Did Elijah really call down fire from heaven to kill 450 Priests of Baal? What people should focus on are the doctrines of the church over how bizarre the acquisition. Personally, I don’t understand how God works? But His ways are not ours and apparently Joseph Smith needed darkness to have his visions. A hat seemed most feasible to accomplish this. The church minimizes the hat because the revelation is more important.
Not "to avoid confusion". Obviously, to avoid embarrassment. Why would telling the truth and facts in an honest way be "confusing"? Anyone who is honest with themself can immediately see that the seer stone (peepstone) thing is basically the equivalent of crystal ball gazing. (And it's no coincidence that Joseph Smith called himself "Gazelam" (as a code name) in some revelations. And also no coincidence that there is a Book of Mormon character who uses a seer stone and is also called "Gazelem".) Not being "any stranger than what is found in the Bible" is not any kind of help. The Bible is full of obvious nonsense. (Just ask the whale who burped out Jonah after 3 days...of Jonah being under water...without oxygen...being consumed by whale digestive juices. Miracle? Or humongous fish story?
Amazing how no other religion has to hide it's origins to avoid confusion.
@@FalconOfStorms It does not hide it. Like I said, I’ve known about it for most of my life. It just doesn’t obsess over it. If it did, it would obsess over talking donkey’s, a budding stick for the tribe of Levi (Aaron’s rod), the use of clay-dirt to heal a blind man’s vision and many other things. Believers have faith and accept a variety of things in and out of scripture.
Actually, the part "translated" from April to June of 1829 would have required about 3 pages to be transcribed daily, that is if it can be assumed that each page in the 1830 edition of The Book of Mormon corresponds to a manuscript page from the original dictation. Doctrine and Covenants 10:41 is clear that everything after the reign of King Benjamin was retained by Joseph Smith and was not a part of the lost 116 pages. That number of pages per day is even further reduced if one assumes that Ether and Moroni were a part of what was retained, though I believe they were added as after thoughts to make the text more complete and true to its purpose of being a "restoration" of the beliefs of Christ's original teachings and the original practices of his followers. Obviously I am not a Mormon, but I would also like to point out that this video has nothing to do with evidence of the Book of Mormon being an actual translation. It just outlines the process of how the Book of Mormon was transcribed and printed, and that's it. Actual evidence would consist of linguistic evidence such as Book of Mormon names containing elements of indigenous American words and names in pre-Columbian times, quotes being found in the original language and having a matching translation, etc. Not trying to be an anti-Mormon, but this video fails in what it is trying to present.
TheCatholicCrusader this "evidence" is nothing more than a strange burning feeling in their bosom :D
I can see that youve read the book of mormon.....i exhort you to read it with an open heart and after that do what Moroni said...Ask God with A Sincere Heart and Contrite Spirit if all that youve red is true... if not then feel free to say everything you want to say..... i have done my part in delivering the Gospel and spotless at the last day.....Remember my name: Oliver Osma......
@@floatingtigerscarriff6664 So is the RLDS and FLDS church true then too, and all those polygamous Mormon sects that broke off true as well? They as well believe in the Book of Mormon. How do you know you are the right version of Mormonism?
@@floatingtigerscarriff6664 it's the arrogance shown in your statement that make you far from spotless. You doubt others that have read the same thing, prayed about the same thing, and came to another conclusion must not have done so with an open heart. I am a former member and have no I'll will for the church until I hear such self righteous bull crap as this.......may the atonement of the Catholics-Baptist-Luhern-Mormon jesus (he is one in the same) cleanse you from your misguided beliefs.
@@stelladavis7832 If you are Christian how do you know that Christianity is correct and Buddhism is false?
One of Joseph Smith's fellow believers said he had witnessed the golden plates.
When cross-examined he said he only saw the plates "with the eyes of faith".
What gets me is Joseph Smith once visited a fairground. And at the fairground there was an Egyptian mummy for sale. He bought the mummy. And he discovered the writings of Abraham on the inside of the Mummy's bandages. This is unbelievably far-fetched.
I'd say the publisher rejection of the book of mormon years before he claims to have translated it might be something to consider.
This i would like to know more about.
In the July/August 2018 edition of "Biblical Archaeology Review" on page 33, is an article "Egyptian Papyrus Sheds New Light on Jewish History." The author is Karel van der Toorn. The article is about a papyrus roll discovered in the late 19th century at Luxor (ancient Thebes). It took more than 120 years to decipher the text. It was discovered that Egyptian Demotic Script had been used to write Aramaic text! The translation turned out to be three Israelite psalms written about 400BC.
This is an example of "Reformed Egyptian" used by Israelites and discovered by non-Mormons!!
Thanks I will look at it, always take Joseph Smith word over all the skeptics, he consistently is eventually shown to be correct.
Aramaic is not reformed Egyptian, it's barely even reformed Hebrew which bares almost no similarities to Egyptian, and came about by using the Hebrew alphabet to write a foreign/Syrian language.
@@sharodcoulson1291 provide one example?
@@CrustyRusty366 the pyrigi golden plates
Is this not an example of ancient writings on golden plates that is considered 100 percent legit. In a museum. How many times have I heard that clay tablets our papryi out animal skins were used. But not golden plates. You asked for one thing and I gave you one. Period.
I used to be LDS but I lost my membership because of my own sins and rebellion. Before this I had a strong testimony of the Book of Mormon. I continue to this day, some 40 years later, want to believe it to be true. My question in regards to the translation is this, and this is from a lack of understanding: How was it a translation when Joseph didn't even use the gold plates of the book, but received the translation from the seer stones or the Urim and Thumim? Isn't a translation taken line by line as one goes along the manuscript? What I'm viewing from LDS UA-cam videos is that the words appeared to him in the hat with the use of the seer stones or the interpretors supplied with the plates by Moroni. It's very confusing. I do know this though. No one in their right mind would allow themselves, their family and friends to go through the persecution that the Prophet went through if it had not been from God. I just don't believe they would have endured the persecution over a lie. Thanks for any replies of clarification and help in this.
It's confusing because they used to tell us it was translated with the urim and thummim, not in a hat.
Whitstanding persecution isnt evidence of God. Otherwise we should look yo the most persecuted to find God.
Suicide bombers go through persecution and more suffering than Joseph Smith in the name of God. It doesn't necessarily make their church true
You’re confusing the churches version of history with the actual historical record. Joseph smith wasn’t persecuted, he was arrested and convicted multiple times for scamming people. He actually benefited in many ways such as living in the mansion built by the church, sleeping with many of his followers wives and definitely benefited financially such as the trust money he stole from his adopted daughters .. who he also married and slept with. Brigham young died a millionaire after a using the churches tithe money interest free whenever he wanted
The text went from one language (Reformed Egyptian) to another (English), hence the use of the term "translation", even though Joseph Smith wasn't looking at the plates for all or part of it, and, as far as we know, didn't know how to read Reformed Egyptian. It is an atypical type of translation, for sure, but translation still seems like the most suitable word for the action, given our limited vocabulary.
Decade before i knew the church i asked God and taught me of the things i later found that it is The Church of Jesus Christ of Later day Saints.
Who am i to doubt God answer to my prayers. I will treasure this knowledge i knew that God lives and answer prayers.
It's made up bro. American Indians do not have semitic markers in their DNA. Therefore cannot be a lost tribe of Israel. It's bull! All of it. Read what Jesus said and you will be OK. Bible Jesus..
Here are some details of Joseph Smith Jr.'s criminal history: Smith was born in Vermont in 1805, and his family moved to New York in 1817. At age 20, Smith --- described in court records as "Joseph the glasslooker" --- faced his first criminal charge, a misdemeanor count of being a "disorderly person". In 1830, he faced the same charge. He left New York for Ohio.
>>> Disorderly person, March 1826 > This account has been corroborated by later discoveries, such as Justice Neely's bill of costs which refers to Joseph Smith as "The Glass Looker," (i.e. a diviner), discovered in 1971 by Wesley P. Walters. The total costs exactly matched the amount in Fraser's Magazine. However, other contradictory accounts of the trial have also been published which brings the authenticity of the accounts into question. In 1838, Joseph Smith stated that he had, in fact, worked for Josiah Stowell but Smith avoided mentioning the court hearing and downplayed his role by claiming to be a mere bystander. Smith said that Stowell had heard of a lost Spanish silver mine near Harmony, Pennsylvania, and wanted to find it. According to Smith, Stowell "took me, with the rest of his hands, to dig for the silver mine, at which I continued to work for nearly a month, without success in our undertaking, and finally I prevailed with the old gentleman to cease digging after it. Hence arose the very prevalent story of my having been a money-digger."
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>>> Disorderly person, June 1830 > In Ohio (1831-38) > Illegal banking, February 1837 > Conspiracy to murder Newell, June 1837 >> In Missouri (1838-39) > Threats to Judge Adam Black, August 1838
All those accusations and not a single conviction. Hmmmm. It's curious to me that most of the prophets throughout history were persecuted, falsely imprisoned, and, in many cases, murdered. Joseph Smith was robbed, beaten, tarred and feathered, poisoned, falsely imprisoned multiple times and killed by a mob organized by ex-Mormons. Jesus Christ himself was betrayed, falsely imprisoned, beaten, tortured and crucified. Do you see the parallels?
lol we all know the history of JS you felt that necessary to copy and paste? wow. you realize none of this proves he was not a prophet? did king David not conspirer to commit murder by sending a man of so he could commit adultery? what about lot who got drunk and slept with his daughters? lots of crazy things happened in the bible but I don't hear anyone brining up these wrongful acts saying that these men were false teachers and that the bible is fabricated.
Jesus christ was also arrested. Hmmmm
Joseph Smith: Falsely accused repeatedly; falsely imprisoned; tarred and feathered; beaten; poisoned; murdered. The Apostle Paul: beaten; stoned; falsely imprisoned multiple times; murdered. Does anyone else see parallels?
I hope you’ve had “fun” with your task. Seems like a lot of effort, and all for what??
Just thought I’d let you know that in this very same church in its Primary meetings for children, when I was a child, I received unmistaken witness several times that Jesus is the Christ, the promised Messiah, and that He is our Savior, and that He is truly my friend, and that He truly loves me, and everyone. The Holy Spirit was there to testify to my little heart of profound truth, and this truth was substantiated by the teachings from my Primary teachers, plus in all the wonderful hymns we would sing, that were lovingly written specifically to testify to children’s hearts of the truthfulness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I would not ever trade these precious experiences!
Yet, you mock Joseph Smith, and never bother reading the Book of Mormon. Maybe, if you read it with real intent, with a humble, teachable, open heart, then you too, would know of its truth.
I sincerely hope you do, for your sake!
"Non-KJV early modern english" seems like a very weird specific feature 😂
If Joseph smith was wrong about the translation of the Egyptian burial papyrus, don’t you think he was probably wrong about the golden plates? Or maybe even lying about their existence?
You should know that much papyrus Joseph translated the Book of Abraham from, or maybe even all of it, was likely destroyed in the Great Chicago Fire of 1871. Also, the surviving papyrus, which does not contain Book of Abraham text, does not account for eyewitness evidence of the original papyrus being a long scroll before the fire happened. Consider that for a time.
You have not done sufficient research.
@@brennantsullivan enlighten me!
The documented history said he was shown the plates but wasn’t allowed to take them. This gives him years to research and develop ideas. His mom even said that every night for years he would explain the history of these people like he had met them before. Before he even read the golden plates. This is supposedly because an angel told him but considering many of the events in the Book of Mormon were extremely similar to what was going on in Joseph’s day (including the fact that the entire book is based off of the mound builders myth from that time that’s super racist but also every where in writings of that time) it is clear he did orally dictate but he definitely had time to prepare. And why would god be able to make the plates suddenly disappear when it was convenient so Joseph couldn’t translate? But god couldn’t make them disappear when people were trying to steal them? Or why didn’t Joseph or god use divine power to find the lost pages? And how could Lucy Harris possibly change anything about the lost pages when she couldn’t replicate his handwriting or change the spacing between words? Joseph smith couldn’t retranslate because he made it all up himself and he was afraid Lucy would prove him as a fraud. The Book of Mormon is only so miraculous because you’re told to believe that. Joseph smith was a great con man and you even bring that up when referencing his treasure digging days. How could anyone be this blind even with deep Mormon indoctrination?
Those gold plates probably weighed about 75lbs. And he bragged about carrying them for miles while fighitng off multiple men at the same time. Yeah, no ....Smith was a pervert, con man and scam artist. Anyone who belongs to LDS is a brainwashed sheep with no ability to think critically for themselves.
And here we go into the evil genius theory. This doesn't hold up to scrutiny, because he was not known as an intelligent nor well-spoken person.
Newspapers all called him a "dullard" or "block-headed" at the time. His own journals show his inability to write coherently.
And if you are of the Christian persuasion, you should know that God's wisdom is not our own.
I sat down near the venerable figure. I hesitated to put any question to him, but he made my task easy by saying: “You speak, in your book, of Joseph Smith having sent Rockwell to kill Governor Boggs. Let me tell you, that Joe Smith, told me the fact himself. The words were substantially like this, “I sent Rockwell to kill Boggs, but he missed him, it was a failure; he wounded him instead of sending him to Hell.” William Law - top lds official and close friend of fornicator smith
If Joseph Smith actually dictated the text by looking into a hat, why is every portrait in the back of the standard works of Joseph reading directly from the Gold Plates while Martin Harris scribes?
Joseph Smith said that it was not neccessary for everyone to understand the exact details in how the book of Mormon was translated. Therefore all that has written about the process by others is pretty much speculation. But you can read the results of the translation and test the whole process as recorded by Moroni 10: 4-5. As explained in the Book of Mormon. The book of Mormon is best read having faith in Christ Jesus knowing that the testimony of two nations in agreement will confirm each other's testaments. We have the old testament and the new testament and now a 2nd witness for Christ in the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon also reveals that there are still other witrnesses or testaments of Christ. Keeping in mind that it was those that had faith that were healed, what could be wrong with more testaments or wittnesses for Jesus Christ?
@@CohassetMA if the FLDS Church use the same method to know their church is true, and they still practice polygamy, are we allowed to combine this method with any other to be sure we aren't being led astray?
@@CohassetMA Joseph Smith was a fucking child molestor.
Here are the facts based on the best historical evidence, mainly from the two primary eyewitnesses, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery. The translation process was that Joseph looked at the plates through the two lenses of the Nephite interpreters which came with the plates (sometimes confusingly referred to by the biblical term "Urim & Thummim" even though they different than the objects described in the OT). These gave him a general literalistic English reading which Joseph then had to study out how to express in the English of his time. This produced an English translation with elements of both the underlying ancient forms and Joseph's language environment. See the new book "By Means of the Urim & Thummim: Restoring Translation to the Restoration," which explains the process in detail and also shows how unreliable the stone-in-the-hat sources are.
@@forzion1894 so are you saying Russel M Nelson is lying when he did an interview showing how the Book of Mormon was translated?
Shouldn’t the prophet of all people, know about how his church came to be?
This isn't new evidence! I see so many flaws! In your quote "he said so at least" really think about that. Put that into account. You also said "witnesses saw he wasn't reading from something". 30 seconds later, you tell me that he was reading the stone. How can you read a stone? I'd he ever say? This video only raises more questions.
The South Park episode explains this better. Still don’t see any evidence it is a translation since he didn’t look at the book. The translation of the Book of Abraham was not what the hieroglyphics said. No reason that he would be translating differently for the Book of Mormon.
Where is the evidence tho? The book of Mormon quotes 478 verses of the kings james Bible. In addition Oliver was part of a different church that used a book called The Pilgrim’s Progress which he was familiar with before converting into mormonism and helping with the "translation" this book has many parallels with the book of Mormon. Can you please talk about these things. I feel these are facts. The perception of the truth is not always accurate and you are only listing what they believed to be true. A belief is not a fact.
If Joseph Smith had IN HIS POSSESSION the golden plates, why didn’t he directly translate off of them ? Instead he looked into a hat or spectacles and magically saw words appear from a book that would’ve been near him..
The story is as bogus as a $3 bill.
@@Kman. So you feel if Joseph had the plates and translated off of them, then it wouldn't be bogus?
@One God One Christ
mormonism and islam, same demons, both false prophets.
@One God One Christ there is nothing like the Quran either prior to its revelation or after it’s revelation. The quran was revealed orally and that’s the first reference the actual writing is the second reference. Islam is the only true monotheistic faith on earth and it calls people to worshipping one God. Not three like modern Christianity. One God. One messages. All the prophets throughout the bible called people to worshipping one God. Not 3. The biggest trick the devil payed was getting people to worship the creation and not the creator. La ilaha illAllah Muhammadan rasool Allah. Peace.
@One God One Christ the Quran was sent from the same God of Abraham, Moses, Noah, Solomon, David, Jesus and Mohammed peace be upon them all. Of course it will share similarities because God sent it! There is nothing like the Quran, from its recitation to its depth and knowledge there is nothing on earth like it. The bible that Christian’s follow is made by man and has been re-written over and over again. 24000 manuscripts and not one of them are identical, all second hand accounts, Anonymous authors. Jesus called people to worship the creator but it was Paul who called others to worship him. Jesus worshipped God. Him dying for our sins is all paganism corruption. Moses never worshipped the trinity, neither did Noah, or Solomon, or David or anyone but the religion of Paulstianty taught you to.
That is all well and good buuuuut....
-He didn't use the plates at all so why would he need them?
-How come seer stones aren't used today?
-He promised his treasure digging buddies a piece of the gold plate money and he stiffed them on it which is why people pursued him for them.
-The plates were not gold according to the dimensions and weight of the plates given many think they were tin sheet smith could have easily fabricated.
-When did god say to use the seer stones?
-Joseph smith Knew about the book of Mormon for years and would go out into the woods often to see the plates and speak with Moroni. Don't you think that is plenty of time that he had he could have come up with something in that matter of time?
-and this whole notion that Joseph Smith was some Forrest Gump level guy is just absurd, during his time many thought of him as very intelligent.
- And he acts like what we have today as the BOM is what was written back then. The book of mormon has gone through thousands of revision and corrections many grammatical but many changed regarding the nature of the trinity.
But of course if we had a sure knowledge why would we need faith? well faith would have to support polygamy, changes in Tithing, Temple ceremony, polygamy, how the church is run like a corporation not like a church. polygamy. Blacks and the priesthood, sexism, polygamy and many more.
Its a lot to handle. a little too much says I
EVAN RASMUSSEN WHERE DID YOU LEARN LDS HISTORY.? JOSEPH SMITH USED THE PLATES OF GOLD ACCORDING TO WITNESSES. WHO SAYS SEERS STONES ARE NOT USED TODAY? YOUR QUOTATIONS OF ANTI MORMON STORIES IS FUNNY. GOD HAS ALWAYS USED SEER STONES. BEST READ THE BIBLE. IN FACT THE SAINTS ARE PROMISED ONE IF THEY OVERCOME THE WORLD. IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT SMITH TRANSLATED THE PLATES OF GOLD IN LESS THAN 100 DAYS. EVEN THE LACK OF CORRECTIONS SUGGEST THIS. AGAIN YOU LIE. THE BOOK OF MORMON HAS NOT GONE THROUGH THOUSANDS OF REVISIONS. BEST TELL THE TRUTH....
henochparks yeah thanks for that the Bible has NO mention of seers store it has mention of the urim and thumim but not seer stones and joe used the plates at the beginning but then stopped until the end. Your watered down institute BYU sad version gives no room for the 6 year he knew about the plates and went into the woods to “talk” to Mormoni, read a book and then we’ll talk.
Evan Rasmussen exactly any one who claims to be a Christian should agree with Jesus’s claims that only the Bible is needed. Any other religious book falls short as it is written by man. It’s important for us Christians to point out false doctrine
@@evanrasmussen6572 You do not think that God is capable of all things? That because he specifically did not call it a "seer stone" in the scriptures or apparently use anything like that, that he would do anything like this is the future? Can something only be true and used if it is stated in the bible? and does the bible go off of any book? why is it the only true one? you don't think that God can create stuff? That he can only go off of the history of the bible?
he did use them early on with the spectacles and the breastplates. see you don't know the church history you need to put your anti down and read the actual history of the church, another example of a Mormon teaching an anti what we believe.
I have a theory...
Joseph put his "seer" stone in the hat and then his face only to keep the Urim and Thummin concealed from view (they were already in the hat.)
He did this because at thar particular time he had been forbidden to show any items of antiquity to anyone on pain of death.
The Lord was fully aware of Joseph's little pretense (see D&C 5:4)
This would explain so many things.
Joseph Smith wrote: , "no man knows my history" and apparently that included Emma.
Awesome job guys
I can't believe this guy has 4.1k subscribers. Do any of them actually think what he's saying is reasonably plausible?? If so that's sad.Think critically please.
blb c,
I have thought critically about it all and you may find it surprising that the critical thinking increases my testimony!
When I think critically I realise I'm thinking just alike the Pharisees.
Pharisees: Jesus Christ is a con man.
Critics: Joseph Smith was a con man.
The parallels go on and on. All critical thoughts about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are the same thoughts the Pharisees and Sadducees had of Jesus Christ and his apostles.
blc b. And the bible is of course, full of undeniable facts, as any "critically thinking" person would attest to... Or is the bible full of miraculous, scientifically unexplainable, unreasonable and implausible events? Only an atheist has any right to ask people of faith, to think critically.
As a result new research from the Joseph Smith Papers Project we now know that none of the 7 eyewitnesses ever wrote about seeing a curtain or sheet blocking Joseph from the view of others. These eyewitnesses wrote that while Joseph translated, the plates were always wrapped in a cloth, as he was not allowed to show the plates at that time. They wrote that Joseph saw the Egyptian characters on the Seer Stones (Urim & Thummin) with the romanized characters appearing below them.
Yes, absolutely, Joseph lied. We are not persecuting you, we are tell you the truth in love.
There were only two certain eyewitnesses to the translation process (Joseph and Oliver) and they consistently stated in writing that the translation came from the plates "by means of the Urim & Thummim" (which is the name of the best recent book on the subject). All other accounts are late, contradictory and unreliable.
The amazing thing is that anyone would think this helps sell these artificial religions...
In writing the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith Jr. tripped himself up very severely. Various errors UNIQUE to the copy of the bible Joseph Smith owned (1769 KJV) are in the Book of Mormon ! This shows, undeniably, that Joseph Smith used the 1769 KJV as a reference and plagiarised text from that Bible. Refer: 2 Nephi 19:1, 2 Nephi 21:3, 2 Nephi 16:2, 2 Nephi 23:21-22.
We are told that the Book of Mormon was written and buried in the 400s AD, and that Joseph Smith discovered the plates in 1827, some 1,400 years later.
The 1769 edition of the King James Bible contained some specific ERRORS that are UNIQUE to that edition. In other words, those particular errors occur ONLY in the 1769 Bible, nowhere else, so they are easy to identify. Refer to the Book of Mormon: 2 Nephi 19:1, 2 Nephi 21:3, 2 Nephi 16:2, 2 Nephi 23:21-22.
How is it that those unique errors from the King James 1769 Bible appear in the Book of Mormon, which was written and buried some 1,300 years earlier? HOW is that possible?
HOW could the writer of the Book of Mormon know what would be written in the 1769 King James Bible some 1,300 years later? The fact that those unique errors are found in the Book of Mormon is overwhelming proof that Joseph Smith himself wrote the BofM and copied material from his 1769 King James Bible. What other possible explanation is there?
Here are the sections I have mentioned:
2 Nephi 19:1 Nevertheless, the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun, and the land of Naphtali, and afterwards did more grievously afflict by the way of the Red Sea beyond Jordan in Galilee of the nations.
2 Nephi 21:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord; and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears.
2 Nephi 16:2 Above it stood the seraphim; each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
2 Nephi 23:21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.
2 Nephi 23:22 And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces; and her time is near to come, and her day shall not be prolonged. For I will destroy her speedily; yea, for I will be merciful unto my people, but the wicked shall perish.
As I said, Joseph Smith tripped himself up by plagiarising. He obviously did not know about the unique errors in his 1769 KJ Bible... just as he did not suspect that one day Egyptian hieroglyphs would be fully deciphered, proving his "translation" of the "Book of Abraham" an absolute fraud. /
He could have memorized the book and Doctor Who has a lot of the complex plot points that "prove" this wasn't made up. Its intercity isn't too bizzar as he had 4 years to think of this and had the actual time to do all these claims skeptics make. Along with the fact that he had others who fell out of the church witness god and Jesus Christ. Which if I saw the creator of all and knew the religion which was true I would not reject the church anymore and yet... They did
Those who left the church never rejected it or said it was false, but left because of personal reasons. For example, Martin Harris who lost the 116 and felt guilty, or Ezra Booth whos expectations of Zion were different, or Emma Smith who left because she felt uncomfortable with polygamy (and I can empathize). But they never rejected the truth and what they saw
@@twistedpeanuts6958 No one openly retracted their testimony but I would argue that leaving and joining another church kind of implies they no longer believed, plus some of them even went with James Strang, and believed everything he said before it was revealed that it was a lie.
@@Valeriamtzp It's only fairly recently in my own Mormon studies that I have begun to learn about James Strang. Strangites may truly be the most fascinating alternative sect to have arisen in opposition to the prevailing Brighamites within Mormonism, yet few seem to know anything about this chapter of religious history. A story of Strang's life would make an interesting movie or television series.
Reference? I could push my head into my hat and tell you a story.
So can George Lucas.
@@SwedishBlouse exactly
Who needs evidences of "The Book of Mormon" when you have stupors of thought and burning bosoms?
Also, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. None of which you included in your video
The one book that speaks with the most authority against the LDS/Mormon church and it's founder Joseph Smith is the Book of Mormon itself.
The fact that the BOM exists is Mormonism's testimony that the Holy Bible is insufficient, (another testimony is required to back up the first, or that the Bible has been corrupt and had vital information and truth removed from it).
Kind regards to all.
This is TRUE. It is a fact that the BOOK OF MORMON does NOT teach Mormon Theology!!!!!!!!!
So what about the apocrypha I guess that book was the bibles book of Mormon a false book that Christians disavowed. but its really weird JESUS quotes from the apocrypha nearly verbatim. hrmmm kind of like the book of Mormon quoting the bible verbatim. huh parallels that Christians don't know.
Hi Geoff,
I don't have strong opposition what you said about the Bible, but neither do I see it's relevance to your main argument that the BOM is the strongest evidence against it's translator. Whether the Bible is insufficient or not has little to do with whether or not Joseph translated the BOM.
I have only one thing to say. THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM
Did you have a question about them?
@@karlshaner2453 Haha Talk to any Egyptologist and you will find out.
egyptologist only understand the pagan aspect of the egyptians the book of abraham is the egyptian decoded into the pure and true meanings. why would i ask an egyptologist to know something that is not true? BOOK OF ABRAHAM is pure doctrine and the word of God.
@@iconacy OMG you are so deluded.
@@iconacy the Egyptians had a language. It has been deciphered and we can read it. The papayri that ol Joe had has nothing to do with God at all.
Yeah this all great, but are we just going to forget that Joseph Smith said he could translate Egyptian scolls, which he claimed to be from the Abraham or Joseph , but actually was a prayer for the dead with no mention of either. how easy to prove a false prophet. Moroni is not Hebraic name and also the part the Shual aka Paul spoke way before Book of Mormon to not believe in any other good news from either man or angel/messenger.
Oliver Cowdrey and others said the Book of Mormon was translated by using the Urim and Thummim. Not the seer's stone. They ought to know they were there.
Wasn't there a curtain between them and Joe? and doesn't the LDS now acknowledge the stone in a hat?
@@krissander1 the curtain did not block the witnesses from seeing the Urim and Thummin. Joseph Smith used a seer's stone for a small portion.
@@henochparks how long did it take them to acknowledge the stone in the hat? Doesn't it worry you that the LDS keeps changing things?
@@krissander1 Huh? Which stone in hat? The LDS church has spoken of the breastplate, the urim and thummim, and the seer's stone from the beginning of the church in 1830. Where have you been?
I’m not even LDS and I think the only argument you guys have to make to other Christians is that you guys by far have the best Bible app. I’m not LDS but the Gospel Library app is the best Bible app. Audiobook and all, read in a nice voice. I’ll give it up to the LDS Church, even though we disagree with our interpretation of the scriptures, no one can tell an LDS person that they don’t keep up with their scriptures
Or the fact that you have seen many churches been torn apart
But I don’t think you could ever tear ap
Their beliefs are actually very contradictory to what Christians believe, and what God says about Himself. They believe:
- Lucifer and Jesus are brothers.
- Jesus created Lucifer. John 1:1-3
- they believe that we can become gods one day.
- God says multiple times in Isaiah 40-46 that there is no god before Him nor after Him (Isaiah 45:5) and He knows no other god, no not one. Isaiah 44:8
- that there was a great Apostasy (falling away) of God’s real and true church. That’s why Joseph Smith is idolized because in his first vision, he believes that God and Jesus (2 separate beings, not one, so also don’t believe in the Trinity) said to him that all the churches were an abomination and false and he was to restore the church.
- however, this is again contradictory to God’s Word where Jesus says in Matthew 16:17-19 “On this rock I will build my Church and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it.” And where Jesus said “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my word will never pass away.” Matthew 24:35
@@bloviax So, when you say "God invites us to become one of /them/" you're saying that God wants us to be exactly like him - a god ourselves? Just making sure I understand you correctly.
@@bloviax To be reconciled back to Him after the fall of man in the Garden of Eden. To walk with Him, to know Him, and be a part of His plan and story here on earth. Even though I’m a sinful human, He still uses broken people for His glory. We are not perfect - we never can be. That’s why Jesus had to die for us. He was the perfect sacrifice for all who would and will believe in Him. That’s why we are saved by grace, through faith, not of ourselves, it is Gods gift to us, not by works so no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 which exactly contradicts 2 Nephi 25:23 which says we are saved by grace /after/ all we can do. So our works come first, then God’a grace come second… which is not what God’s Word says, nor does He want for us. He is not impressed by our works. Our works do not make us righteous which is what Isaiah 64:6 is talking about - our righteousness, our works, our striving is like filthy rags to the the Lord. He doesn’t want you bound up in this man-made, works based religion. Jesus came to set us FREE! And free indeed.
@@bloviax Of course. I personally have such a heart for the LDS Community. You guys are some of the sweetest people I have met.
I do believe I’ve answered that already. It’s not to just return to Him “a little wiser” but return to Him in general. Sin separated us, and we needed to be reconciled back to Him.
I believe the issues LDS and Christians need to focus on is the foundation and origins of our faiths and compare and contrast those - because that’s where the separation begins.
But what is the point you’re trying to make?
It would be nice if someone could locate the stone box on the hill where the plates had been buried. I've read that many people have searched for it, but nothing has been found.They say we have to believe by faith as part of our mortal test.
Joseph Smith was a freemason and him and his disgusting brother had multiple wives; including underage girls.
Do you believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ? Do you require proof of evidence of that?
@@kcb5336 No I don't. Because it's baloney.
There is no logical reason why having faith would be superior to having certain knowledge. It's just an assertion made by scoundrels, con-artists, scammers and impostors when confronted by people demanding more evidence to support their bizarre claims. There is no moral obligation to have faith in anything. People have misplaced faith in bad things all the time. Do they get brownie points just for having faith? Faith is a cognitive act of desperation in circumstances where it feels like a decision should be made, but there is not enough information to know what the correct decision is. Nobody gets extra points just for "having faith".
@@TEAM__POSEID0N why do you see faith and knowledge as contenders? Faith supports and works toward knowledge. Why the pessimism?
Who are the historians and other scholars are you referring too?
I imagine some are the people we see making videos trying to disprove the Church like Jeff Durbin.
Jeff and his team are cowards, that's why he only competes against new and young members. He challenged me once and I crushed him, I asked him simple questions about the Bible his fans say he's an expert at, he was speechless, struck dumb unable to answer a single question I gave him.
That's how to defeat bigots and apologists, study the scriptures yourself and question them on the scriptures that oppose their doctrine and ask questions in general that the Bible alone doesn't answer.
Joseph Smith, There are 2 Sides of him
1. A Fool's Fool and 2. He's The Real Deal
BUT 3rd theory is My
I have a Theory that He is Kinda Both
He probably did Found The Plates but he probably didn't see the Angel Moroni but He was in a "Sleep" Vision until later on and the "Reform Egyptian" is an Earlier Mix of Cree and others Writings and then later on Joseph Smith and "Advisors" that Had someone who looks like Moroni and Force Joseph Smith to Poly Marriages and then I think he was A very good person who trying to do Good and then people who weren't liking him AKA "The Elites" of those times were mad that he was doing it and that why he Assassinated
I've read "from Darkness unto Light" by MacKay and Dirkmaat about this translation in detail. This comprehensive video condenses it well in a powerful 7 1/2 minutes.
Here are the facts based on the best historical evidence, mainly from the two primary eyewitnesses, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery. The translation process was that Joseph looked at the plates through the two lenses of the Nephite interpreters which came with the plates (sometimes confusingly referred to by the biblical term "Urim & Thummim" even though they different than the objects described in the OT). These gave him a general literalistic English reading which Joseph then had to study out how to express in the English of his time. This produced an English translation with elements of both the underlying ancient forms and Joseph's language environment. See the new book "By Means of the Urim & Thummim: Restoring Translation to the Restoration," which explains the process in detail and also shows how unreliable the stone-in-the-hat sources are. The Mackay Dirkmaat book is not a good resource as they distort and cherry-pick sources to support their untenable theory which is contradicted by Joseph ad Oliver's clear written testimonies printed during their lifetiemes.
I am Mormon. And i just want to say im kind of disapointed in all of the other mormons argueing in this comment section. I know you guys are sticking up for what you belive, but you need to remember, our church is about being as much like our redeemer as possible. That includes not getting into fights, our church has been persicured for thousands of years. However we really shouldnt care. Faith and repentance will bring us back, not argueing
*Casino* You really are not even familiar with the organization you've attached y/self with. How could Mormons have been persecuted for *THOUSANDS* of years when Mormonism didn't even begin till 1830 which is not even two *HUNDRED* years ago. You speak of a "redeemer", but the one you claim to recognize as Redeemer, is *NOT* the brother of satan & *NOT* the one in the bible.
@@Kman. actually Mormonism went wayyyy back to bible times bro
@@littlecasino5331 You're confused my friend. *CHRISTIANITY* did, but JS (the founder of Mormonism) wasn't even born till 1805. Of course the narrative he crafted, was that the church literally fell apart, and so goes the story. BTW...read *Jude 3* where it says the faith was *ONCE* delivered.
@@Kman. 🤦♂️ k you need to fo fking research my friend
@@henaultsr What does your question/comment have to do with the price of butter in Russia? Tell ya what...I'll give you a mulligan and let you try again.
6 Therefore it will be night for you-without vision, And darkness for you-without divination. The sun will go down on the prophets, And the day will become dark over them. 7 The seers will be ashamed And the diviners will be embarrassed. Indeed, they will all cover their mouths Because there is no answer from God. (Micah 3:6-7)
Peter said there would be a restitution of all things.
I’m still waiting for the evidence.
I appreciate your heart felt attempt at explaining this book. You're just doing what your heart is telling you to, and what you were raised to do. For anyone who has clicked on this video please keep in mind the following:
There is no "one true church". Think about it. It doesn't make any logistical sense. 6 billion+ people on the planet with 6 billion+ different personalities and God, who created this diversity, wants to strip us of our individuality and have us all conform to a set of rules handed down by a group of businessmen in SLC? Why, to what end? Why would God, the Creator of all the Universes Mormons believe exist, care about what underwear you wear? Like really think about it, and then read the New Testament and find out how Jesus did away with the Law of Moses and all the legalistic ways of being. Then ask yourself why the LDS church would bring back a bunch of rules, even some that contradict their own scriptures (Jacob 2 contradicts section 132; section 68 contradicts section 137 and Moroni 8 are 2 examples)?
Then ask yourself if it's OK for the brethren to sell your salvation to you for the low cost of 10%+ of your income? And ask yourself, when your reaction is "they don't sell my salvation to me" what would happen if you stopped paying tithing? What if you never started? Could you go into the temple to receive the mandatory ordinances for you exaltation? What if you felt like God really inspired you to pay that money to a different cause one month? What would the bishop say about that? Why do you think we aren't encouraged to ask God how we can use our money to bless those around us (speaking of our alloted tithing money)? Why is it we are asked to just turn it right over never fully knowing where it's going? Then ask yourself, when was the last time our prophets, seers and revelators, prophesied, saw, or revealed something new to us? Then ask yourself if they aren't prophesying or seeing or revealing, just what is it that they are doing? Seems like they are just the board members of a major corporation, no? Then ask yourself if there has been any studies done on controlling people through various psychological means and then please click this link when you are ready to understand a bit more of how we came to be like we are: freedomofmind.com/bite-model/
Good luck. Never stop asking questions and looking at all resources. God is good and He is mightier than the adversary. Don't be afraid. He wants you to know the Truth. Good luck ♡
As a born again believer, I must respectfully disagree with your point about there not being any "one true church", actually there is! But it isn't a church built by humans. There actually is absolute truth to be found if you know where to look. God Almighty, creator of all things, has provided the only way to find truth, the only way to find true fulfillment in this life and the one to come. He sent His Son Jesus to save mankind from the ravages of sin and the certainty of eternal death that it brings. You see, any other remedy for sin cannot ever bring about salvation and restoration of fellowship with our creator because it comes from imperfect man. Only by accepting Gods plan as outlined in His Word can we please Him and be FOREVER forgiven of our transgressions of His Law. God tells us " For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, there is none righteous, no not one...Jesus came into the world not to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved...If we say we have no sin we lie, and the truth is not in us...For by grace are we saved through faith, it is a free gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast...Jesus said..I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father but by me...Friend, you can find the truth, and Gods Word says it will set you free, and you will be free indeed. Eternal life can be yours by doing it Gods way, there is no other way by which you can be saved!!
certainlyitis : Amen! Preach it!!🤛
@@orderofmelchizedek1 Only Christ has that Order. Amen and Merry Christmas oom1
there was only 2 churches the church of God and the church of the devil. sounds like there is only one church to me. and I didn't need 4 paragraphs to say that.
For thinking people who take the time to seriously study Joseph Smith (not just the material that Mormons put out) they will find Mormonism fake. But believing that Jesus will get them into the next life, is also an illusion.
1 Nephi 11:18 in the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon PROVES that the book is FAKE.
I'm a member though inactive and still have a strong Testimony of The Book Of Mormon and that it's a true Testament of Jesus Christ and that The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints is the only true Church left in this Dispensation!!!!!!!! In my heart and spirit I know it's true!!!!!!!!!! That episode of South Park is what finally turned me off that show and to literally believe that even though it's a negative view of our faith and Church and the Book Of Mormon that there was a backfire from the show that lead to more people investigation of the church and lead them to actually read the Book Of Mormon for themselves and actually lead them to the church!!!!!!!!! For it's said that anything said or published about the Book Of Mormon and the Church even in a negative view will lead people to the Book Of Mormon and the Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints and literally leads to modern day miracles of some of these persons to join the Church and to seek out the missionary and/or members that they know on a personal and neighborly Way!!!!!!! I literally say these things in the name of Jesus Christ Amen!!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately, while this video contains some good information, it is completely incorrect about the translation process using the seer stone in the hat. As per Joseph and Oliver's consistent and oft-repeated testimonies, the translation was all carried out using the Nephite interpreters which came with the plates. Joseph and Oliver made no mention of using a seer stone. Careful examination in their full historical context shows the seer stone accounts to all be late, secondhand or otherwise unreliable. The Mackay and Dirkmaat book referenced here is a very poor source, as it ignores or dismisses Joseph and Oliver's firsthand accounts while cherry-picking and pushing these unreliable out-of-context seer stone accounts.
I believe the book of Mormon to be true. I have read it for myself and studied the life of Joseph Smith. I have felt the spirit testify to me that this book is true. Praise to the man. This book is true. I say that with real intent. With all the energy in my heart soul and mind.. Everything i am. The Book of Mormon is true. 💘
Way to show some class, Leana! Way to show some class!
Leana Lyden you are just trying to convince your self that it is true.
JTM no it is called mind conditioning.
bagnas:
I don't think JTM is gay or even filthy minded. You're just too stupid to realize that you're actually being insulted.
JTM you are a gullible piece of shit.
Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.
Here's a quote by Lucy Mack Smith, Joseph's mother:
"During our evening conversations, Joseph would occasionally give us some of the most amusing recitals that could be imagined. He would describe the ancient inhabitants of this continent, their dress, mode of travelings, and the animals upon which they rode; their cities, their buildings, with every particular; their mode of warfare; and also their religious worship. This he would do with as much ease, seemingly, as if he had spent his whole life among them." She was referring to the years leading up to Smith's translation. So no, obviously Joseph didn't make anything up "on the fly" as you said. He was composing it in his head for years before. You guys have no imagination.
Kevin L you seem to not be able to imagine anything that doesn’t fit your narrative. His family believed him. You seem to think they were all fools.
@@Christopherianmatt Funny, I'd say that most mormons have no imagination, and your comment is evidence of exactly that. "His family believed him." And that proves what? You can't have an entire family be wrong about something? That possibility is just too unfathomable to you?
I have never been accused of a lack of imagination. If we were to continue, you would reverse yourself and say that I have a wild imagination. Who also has a wild imagination are the critics who imagine wild stories to explain every evidence that the work is true, but not the awareness to see when people are lying or overreaching in their claims.
@@Christopherianmatt Well now you have officially been accused of having a lack of imagination. Why would I reverse myself? See if you did have an imagination, you might have come up with a reply that actually made sense. "critics who imagine wild stories..." You've got it backwards. The Book of Mormon is the wild, unsupported story, isn't it? And Mormon apologists make up even more crazy stories to try and dismiss the evidence against the church. The critics look at documented historical facts. They don't have to make up anything. There is more than enough scientific data do disprove the church. You apparently haven't seen any of it. You choose deliberate ignorance and just pretend that the critics are making up wild stories. Try naming one of the crazy made-up stories that the critics have made up and put some effort into your next reply.
Stylometric wordprint analysis concludes that Joseph was not the author of the text, and that Nephi, Alma, Mosiah and other books were written by separate individuals and have been compared with the writing of all the people close to Joseph. Joseph would’ve had to memorize 8 pages per day from a mysterious group’s manuscript and recite them with his face in a hat.
Good thing they got the copyright before release. Who knows how many folks would steal his stuff to start their own religion? And think about the loss of the royalties!
Smoot is goot! His is a delightfully compelling voice. 💛🙏🏽
Could the Book of Mormon have been written in that four year period?
You’ve never read it if you think this, it’s by far too complex, it literally would have made Joseph smith the greatest writer in history to have lived ever and I think selling a talent like this would’ve made him as rich as possible ib his time, instead he chose to be a farm boy for the rest of his life and he died defending that it was brought forward by the power of God. This is someone who chose to fear God more than he feared men and more.
@@GeraldineGlam I read it cover to cover. Many times using my 1830 version opened while listening to the LDS library app. Amazing how many more “And it came to pass” phrases there were in the 1830 version. In my opinion the Book of Mormon is a very boring book that mainly follows two brothers that go different wagys and end up leading large groups of people under their names. Laman and his Lamanites and Nephi and his Nephites. You go on a non-stop see-saw ride with the two groups. One chapter the L and N are at peace. The next chapter there’s contention and they’re at war. Back and forth. Rinse and repeat. Like a football league that only consists of two teams. Then there’s the countdown clock to Jesus’ arrival. This I looked forward to most of all. I suffered thru all the chapters prior to it but was really let down when Jesus arrived. I guess to hear him really say anything new or amazing would have been risky for the author penning his words. Maybe someday I’ll give it another go. Till then I believe the Bible is more than sufficient and in so many ways far superior. Each chapter contains a plethora of wisdom and guidance. You might be feeling one way before you open the Bible but once you’ve ingested a little you’re enlightened by the wisdom and gems of the past. Coming to rest on the one who sees the future. Joseph Smith may believe God to simply be a man with flesh and bone like we have, but He’s far more vast. Vast enough to even create himself in human form so he could look is in the eye. There’s a reason for Galatians 1:8. Heed the warning.
He finished writing it in 1829 and it wasn't published until a year or so later, he had plenty of time to make revisions.
I don't think that holds up, the church is in possession as I understand it of quite a bit of the original manuscripts, I have never heard of any discrepancies that would have been caused by later revisions.
@@dannybonesdaddy .Smith was a pervert, con man and scam artist. Anyone who belongs to LDS is a brainwashed sheep with no ability to think critically for themselves.
Most of the original manuscript still exists, so there goes that theory.
@@kevinwilde3814 Wrong.
Only 28% survives today and the transcript shows there were changes made.
You are trying to mislead people by saying "most" hoping they will dismiss the theory
@@dannybonesdaddy 28% isn't quite a bit and even the ones who made the transcript admit its different.
Jensen said the changes made to the text over time can be seen as a symbol for the Church writ large. “We’re constantly changing. We’re constantly making adjustments based on the needs of the members,”
Music almost had me hypnotized. Can you please turn the volume up I don't like being half hypnotized! It has got to be all or nothing!
Using a medium like a stone is considered a form of divination. God's true word condemns the process. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord ; because of these same detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12
A Urim and Thummim is mentioned and used by those anointed of God. They are called Seers. I think you are misunderstanding Seership with Divination. Just as there are real Prophets and false prophets, there are real Seers and false diviners. Hope the additional perspective helps.
@@karlshaner2453- However, the problem with your rational is that Joseph Smith did not continue to use the Urim and Thummin that god supposedly provided Joseph Smith to use in the translation process. Instead Joseph Smith used his own "seer stone" which he even called a medium in his own writings. This same stone the church admits was used for money digging when him and his father use to rip off poor farmers. Not to mention that according to God's only one and true word the Bible Joseph Smith still meets the definition of a false prophet. Deuteronomy 18:22 states that if a so-called prophet makes a prediction and it does not come to pass he is a false prophet and not from God. It is well documented that Joseph Smith made more than a few false prophecies/predictions. Bottom line if Mormonism is true than the Bible is false and you might as well throw it away. But if the Bible is true then all of Mormonism is false. It cannot be both.
Believe as you will. Enjoy your study of the Bible and may you ever live your life according to the principles taught therein.
@@karlshaner2453 David is correct. Mormons state that the Bible and the BoM agree but they do not at all. The Bible is self-attesting and is enough for salvation. Another testament was not needed, and one that portrays a different god than the God of the Bible at that.
@@TheStemo1 If you believe the words you wrote, enjoy your studies of the book.
I recently finished the Book of Mormon again this year. But this time I was studying it more thoroughly. I read and marked a lot of fascinating things that I never saw before.
I was nearing the end when I followed a footnote that led me to John 10:20-21
(Think of Joseph Smith in these verses.) "And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?"
The "EYES OF THE BLIND." Does the Book of Mormon open one's eyes? Yes! Plainly.
I was not expecting the Bible to tell me the Book of Mormon was true.
So now I'm in the middle of reading the New Testament and may I add, I'm surprised on how Mormon this book is!
John 10:20,21 is all about Jesus and has nothing to do with testing religious books to determine truthfulness.
The Jews thought Christ was under the influence of a demon spirit. In ancient times it was believed that people afflicted with severe diseases (bodily or mentally) were under the power of a demon. This included things like paralysis, blindness, deafness, epilepsy, etc. There were others who reasoned that it didn't make sense for sight to be given to the blind by a demoniac. The Hebrew word ivver could refer to blindness - physical or mental. Personally I believe this verse to be clearly dealing with the physical ailment, however it could apply to a clearing of the mind as well. Either way, these verses have absolutely nothing to do with determining which religious leader or "holy book" to follow. I'm sure there are plenty of people who have had their eyes opened from reading The Quran, The Vedas, Pali Canon, etc. As for religious leaders, they are a dime a dozen.
The Bible does tell us this: "test all things, hold fast to what is good." So we are to TEST the Book of Mormon for truthfulness. When the BOM is put to the test it fails. For example, Smith claimed the BOM to be translated from ancient plates. It's recorded that he used the Urim & Thummim and also seer stones and a hat as translation aides. When you read about the process it couldn't really be considered a "translation" so much as dictation. The words appeared to Smith (converted from reformed Egyptian to English), he called them out to a scribe, they wrote them down. So this is very much a literal "translation" process in which there would be little to no room for human influence (aside from some misunderstood or misspelled words by the scribe). But when you STUDY the Book of Mormon what you will find in many cases is the appearance of 1769 King James Version translation errors. Of course it's a violation of common sense to think that 17th century translation mistakes would appear in a supposed ancient document. The appearance of these translation mistakes show that Smith was not really translating from an ancient source and that the witnesses to the translation process were not being honest. The more you study the appearance of those translation mistakes and the development of the English language in Bible versions, the more you will see where Smith really got the words for much of the BOM from. See my other posts for more information.
Don't fall back on feelings... put the Book of Mormon to the test and trust the facts.
Kolby Brown,
Keep going through the Bible and you're in for a big surprise. I did the same only to find other doctrines reject up to 20% of scriptures in the Bible.
John 10:16
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
(Who are the other sheep?)
John 20:17
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John 20:29
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
(The Americas had not yet seen Christ)
3 Nephi 11:8-10
8 And it came to pass, as they understood they cast their eyes up again towards heaven; and behold, they saw a Man descending out of heaven; and he was clothed in a white robe; and he came down and stood in the midst of them; and the eyes of the whole multitude were turned upon him, and they durst not open their mouths, even one to another, and wist not what it meant, for they thought it was an angel that had appeared unto them.
9 And it came to pass that he stretched forth his hand and spake unto the people, saying:
10 Behold, I am Jesus Christ, whom the prophets testified shall come into the world.
The Book of Mormon and Bible testify each other as true for those who have ears and want to understand rather than want to be correct.
Notice in John 20:17 Christ says "to my God", since Christ is God according to the Trinity, the Trinity claims God's got a God. Christ says "my God" in lots of scriptures, the Trinity opposes its very self proving it's doctrine of man.
You know they all believe there's no true prophets nor ever will be again, Revelation 11 will shock you!
Joseph Smith was a freemason and him and his disgusting brother had multiple wives; including underage girls. Translation=child molestor.
Never in Holy Scripture does God tell any of his prophets to change scripture, translate scripture, or revise scripture, but only to copy scripture:
“Now it shall come about when he sits on the throne of his kingdom, he shall write for himself a copy of this law on a scroll in the presence of the Levitical priests. (Deuteronomy 17:18)
Juan bells,
Never in the Bible does it teach a Trinity or say God no longer sends continuing revelation, but you've adopted them haven't you?
Jehovah = LORD God of Israel = Jesus Christ
Eph. 1:3
"the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,"
Jesus Christ = LORD God of Israel = a god.
Eph. 1:3
"the God and Father of our LORD God of Israel,"
Eph. 1:3
"the God ... of our God," (two gods)
John 20:17
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Did Christ (God) just lie saying the Father is his God, God's God?
Once again, making the Father and Son two separate Gods, not persons.
John 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
"the Word was God."
Word = God
"the God (Word) was with God,"
How can the God be with God if they are one God in three persons?
John 17:22
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
"even as we are one:"
The disciples were one in the same way the Father and Son are one.
Is it one disciple as multiple persons or multiple disciples in unity?
If multiple disciples in unity the Godhead is multiple Gods in unity.
Isaiah 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
No God's besides the Saviour?
What about the Father and Holy Ghost, are they not God?
Notice the Godhead is never mentioned in The Old Testament, not once.
The Old Testament is all about the relationship and dealings between Jehovah and the house of Israel.
The Holy One of Israel (Christ) is the one and only God of Israel.
Revelation 12:1-5
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Israel delivered a man child to the throne of God to make him LORD God of Israel.
Christ could not catch up to the throne of God if he was always there.
@@danielmoore4024 when idrael was on the way to the promise land someone where in the chapter God said his spirit wil be with you thats one and God also said i also will walk among you thays two and wheres the third one well he in heaven thats three now the concept of three in one from my understanding is emaunelle. Meaning God with us the highest name in heaven God sends messaoh to save his people in the likeness of God so the messaih comes as doing Good and no sin thier nothing above that thats how they came up with one in the same your rabbi is a false teacher doesnt know svripture you read scripture how you understand and then listen to his interpretion the truth will be reveal according to you not him thats how you compare scripture with one another if thiers more of you who come up with the same. Then they are speaking on thier own. Lying lips God hates
@@juanbells925
I didn't hear of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints until I were 25, I was always looking for a Church that works in the same way as the Church in The New Testament organised by Christ and the Apostles lead by a never changing God, a God who could add to His Word yesterday can add to His Word today and forever at His own pleasure.
Read the Bible as a child, that's where your hypocrisy lyes.
• What child thinks a loving Father wants to destroy His children?
• What child thinks a Father and Son are literally one substance?
• What child thinks a Son has a Father but no Mother?
• What child thinks a Spirit has a Spirit?
• What child thinks a Son is not born?
• What child thinks a God sending people to hell because they lived in Afghanistan is a God of justice?
I can go on and on, there's lots of things Christianity claims that no child would ever think.
We can look at a specific situation that shows us ancient Christians did lose some truths after the death of the Apostles and that after the death of the Apostles heretics and false doctrine were inevitable.
Paul described the Lord's Church as built upon a foundation of apostles and prophets with Christ as the chief corner stone.
Peter, James and John were the first presidency and the central authority laid upon them.
In Mark 3 Christ chose and ordained his apostles with the laying on of hands to preach.
In Luke 10 Christ chose another 70 to serve as The Seventy.
In Acts 6 the Apostles through continuing revelation called 7 assistants to be the Presidency of the Seventy.
In Acts 9 Christ calls Saul to be an Apostle, Apostles don't call Apostles, with Christ as the chief corner stone He always chose who the Apostles were.
Paul was not defined an Apostle until after the laying on of hands.
Philip was only allowed to preach and baptize people in Samaria, that's why Peter and John had to attend in order for those who chose to be baptized to receive the Holy Ghost.
Acts 8:14-17
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
.........
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Philip did not possess the priesthood authority to gift people with the Holy Ghost, he only had the priesthood authority to preach and baptize.
In order to serve in the Lord's Church in the New Testament priesthood authority was required.
Acts 6:5-6
5 ¶ And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:
6 Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them.
Stephen who went to preach was given priesthood authority and ordained with the laying on of hands, he didn't just go at his own pleasure.
The same with Timothy later, Timothy was assigned by the Apostle Paul to serve as a Bishop among the Ephesians, Timothy did not appoint himself.
1 Tim. 2:7
7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
All Apostles, Bishops, Preachers etc. are ordained by someone with priesthood authority and assigned to serve, and there was always a laying on of hands.
What did all self-appointed people in The New Testament end up doing?
Preaching heretics and false doctrine by preaching their own understanding.
Priesthood authority is essential to preaching the gospel and all priesthood keys were lost by murdering the bearers of the priesthood who were in control of who held priesthood authority.
Once all those who received priesthood authority died there was no one with the authority to gift people with the Holy Ghost.
By 325AD at The Council of Nicaea there was no apostolic power left, no one had the authority to preach nor could be ordained to preach. 325AD was the completion of the Great Apostasy, a committee of Bishops who did not possess priesthood authority having political votes over what's true and what's false. It was always plain clear to me we existed before we came to earth, at The Council of Nicaea more Bishops opposed pre-mortal life so pre-mortal life was automatically labelled heresy, today's Christianity was established through political votes, "most wins", and not Revelation from God.
Philosophies & Heretics in the 7 Churches
Revelation 1:9
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Before the end of the first century all Apostles were killed or exiled.
Revelation 2:2; 6; 9; 14; 20-21;
2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
The Church in Ephesus was already full of evil liars carrying heretics and false Apostles.
6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
The same with the Nicolaitans.
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
The same in Smyrna.
14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
The same in Pergamos.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
The same in Thyatira.
Revelation 3:2
2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
The remaining two churches were just as bad and had only a few members holding the truth ready to die, once they died the truths they held were lost.
All Seven Asian Churches were polluted by false prophets, and all their philosophies and heretics were on the table at The Council of Nicaea with these false prophets building their own churches in the Roman Empire.
All the Bishops choosing doctrine from the traditions what those who polluted the churches in Asia brought.
@@danielmoore4024 Forgot one thing God is Good and God is perfect so his word is perfect God doesnt need to re write or add to it when God clearly said it dont add or take away but make a copy for the levitcal priest this priests God talks about came before Smith not after. Smith claims the bible is corrupt butvwhy did he need to copy off of the JKV to do so if moses wrote it done with Gods holy spirit not copy off the are ready existing bible in which tjier was none except by oral telling storys do you see the difference between smith and moses writing down what actually is Gods and what is not this section of levitcal priest of law given to them by God on knowing what to do and not Test the spirit iif it is of God if not let than one be curse if someone teaches a different gospel other than the one we taught Smith hits alots walls hes all over the place contridicting himself and falsley hood the mormons dont know scriptures didnt it say every gentile will grab the cloak and say take me with you to your God i heard wonnderful things of him thebtrue God so where do you get grabbing the cloak of a christian or mormon
@@juanbells925
You can believe what you wish as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints promotes freewill.
If you think the Bible has no errors I do indeed believe in a different God to you.
The KJV Bible teaches;
• God is a sinner.
• God kills his own servants.
• God is the author of Envy.
• God is the Father of all lying spirits in people.
That's what the KJV Bible teaches, I believe the verses that make those claims were mistranslated, I do not believe those verses were translated correctly.
You claim God doesn't add to His Word, well, you've got a great problem there!
• Where in the Bible does God forbid abortion?
• Where in the Bible does God forbid transgender?
• Where does God forbid drugs?
And all the other forbidden things that were not known in Biblical times?
If it's Revelation 22 you're thinking of think more carefully!
When John wrote The Book of Revelation no Bible existed, so "this book" is obviously not talking about the Bible. Look in Revelation 10 where an angel confronts John and gives him a little book, that little book is what John was talking about.
The Gospel of John was written later, do you really think John would make the plagues fall upon him?
The Bible is just lots of books and letters compiled into one volume not in date order. In Kings we read Isaiah is alive even though Isaiah is far further ahead in the Old Testament.
I believe in a God of Justice.
I believe God can do whatever he wishes.
I believe John prophesying true prophets in the last days.
I believe God is still a God of miracles.
"The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, and calumny may defame, but the truth of God shall go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done." - Joseph Smith
But no temple he failed had alot wifes no aaron priest shall have alot wifes or marry other members wifes thats adultery or abomination to God in the OT IF IT WAS CORRUPT THEN WHY WAS IT IN THIER ILL TELL U WHY TO MAKE YOUR FALSE PROPHET LOOK LIKE A FOOL HE WAS FLOODING YOU WITH WORDS FROM THE SPIRIT. OF THE ANTI CHRIST WHO IS SATAN
Turn down the crappy background music so we can hear your narration.
When I first encountered Mormon missionaries over 40 years ago, the emphasis was all on the gold plates, and how Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon from these. There was no mention of hats and seer stones. Obviously, when I asked about the language on the plates and what happened to them, the answers I received were clearly suspicious. Interestingly, there is now so much about Smith putting his face into a hat and reading from the seer stones, that the golden plates have become almost incidental to the story.
Of course, the plates are still necessary to the narrative, otherwise it would be claimed that an ancient book was simply recreated (in fairly ancient english) by psychic means. The story of the plates introduce a physical artefact on which the book was supposedly inscribed in an unknown language. This lends the story some provenance, or would if the plates still existed. Unfortunately they do not, so little about them can ever be confirmed. Naturally Mormons will claim that three others attested to seeing them, but what does this really prove? Four men lied about their existence, which is what you would expect. Of course, we are told that the others did not recant their story when later falling out with Smith. Not that this proves much, since they would have to declare that they were liars and perpetrated a hoax. Even then, all three of them would have needed to state that, as one individual saying so would have seemed like spite.
All those years ago I thought the story of the Book of Mormon sounded like it had been pulled out of a hat, and now the LDS Church actually seems to agree. However, in the USA you can turn many forms of christianity into a business, and the Mormon Church, or whatever is now called, is rich beyond the wildest dreams of Joseph Smith.
You know that the church has a lay ministry, right? Only general authorities are paid, because they are called full-time. You might not believe the teachings, but it’s a far leap to suggest the current leaders of the Church are trying to get rich off of lies.
@@bryanclark8339 I said the Church was rich, not individuals. Interesting how you were able to find something that wasn't actually there!
Considering the many outside literary works (like the King James Version of the Bible) that resembled the dialogue and content found in the B.of M. coupled together with Joseph Smith's ingenious nature, it's obvious he had the whole thing committed to memory long before the book was written.
That would be a incredible feat to write a book and memorize something that complex. But bear in mind these are evidences and not proof. But in my opinion, you can't prove spiritually things logically. I would love it if you read the book yourself and asked God if it's true. Have a good day as well!
@@TheNyotis The book of mormon is plagiarized: Its includes The King James Version (1769); View of the Hebrew; Solomon Spalding; Captain William Kidd and The First Book of Napoleon.
@@allisonalexander2269 Each one of those theories has been thoroughly debunked.
Especially the Spaulding one, which skeptics abandoned 100+ years ago when the manuscript was discovered and had zero resemblance.
I love reading: At 5:49 it says “Rapid Dication.”
Some authors prefer to dictate their works. An example of this is Erle Stanley Gardner, best known as the creator of Perry Mason.
I teach research methodology. I see no evidence is this video from the stand point of evidence qualification and validation.
Dr. Ubirathan Miranda no need of evidence because I already felt good. That's the beauty of religion.
Feelings are transient and should not be relied on. Does the BOM conform to the Bible? No, it does not.
Sorry, sir it does
Scott M
Scott stop wasting your time man, just give up! Your not going to convince anyone!
That's because you asked real and rational questions...
It is an amazing book. Simple truths with great depth that get clearer and more obvious the more you read and learn about it. It comes from Christ through his prophets. It brings the spirit in an amazing way as I have given thought and prayer to it. People say "Mormons" aren't Christians, but if any who said that read the Book of Mormon they would know we definitely are. The name of the church is actually The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. "Mormons" is a nickname.
@@zachgarver7922 It wasn't just the name alone he was referring to it is reading the Book of Mormon. We definitely worship and love our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. If you really studied about what we believe you would see that members of the Church of Jesus Christ believe very similar things as other Christians. There are differences of course.but we should look for the similarities and support one another.
Jesus said Peter the Rock and upon this rock ill build my church it contradicts
@@33sylvia33 no your jesus is not are jesus of the new tastament your book contadicts and your prophet is and adulterous married other husbands wifes while they still live he added himself in the bible itvtakes one prophecy that didn't come to pass to be labeled a false prophet this are the evidence against him and scriptures of him as being a false prophet are written of him and many to come the apostles thier are no wonders if they were apostles they begoingvaround healing the sick if this gospel was true even if this happens the evidence are thier from the beginning before this happens are written its the tribulation so this where your book of mormon stands at from a point of view
* Why did "the angel" show him the plates, then make him wait FOUR YEARS to take them?
* How could Joseph Smith even carry GOLD plates? Wouldn't they weigh 200 lbs? And he had a bum leg as well. But I suppose someone will just use the classic religious excuse..."It was a miracle."
* So Joseph didn't use the "translation glasses" the angel gave him, but instead used a "magic" stone that he already had and previously used for some kind of magical practices earlier? Miracle? Witchcraft?
* Didn't the scribe pretend to lose some translated pages, then ask Joseph to simply retranslate them again? Joseph suddenly came up with the excuse that the "angel" now angry, said to translate from a different part of the tablet instead?
* And making up detailed stories on the fly is actually quite easy if you have a vivid imagination or schizophrenia.
*And finally, this translated book told him that Black people were the evil descendents of fallen angels who sided with Lucifer went against God?
Yeah and it only gets worse to farther you go down the rabbit hole
@@Mmmmmk247 Ha! And don't get me started on Catholicism.
If the gold plates never existed, how did Joseph get numerous witnesses to stand by their stories until their dying day, even when some of them later became angry with Joseph and left the Church?
How could Joseph have known about ancient cement technology in the first century B.C. in Mesoamerica?
How could Joseph Smith make up dozens of names in the Book of Mormon that would later be shown to be authentic ancient Semitic names?
Where did Joseph Smith get the idea of ancient scriptures written on metal plates?
How did Joseph Smith know about ancient practices regarding preservations of sacred texts?
Why do other ancient documents support the Book of Mormon's idea that the ancient Joseph prophesied of Moses and Aaron?
If there was no apostasy in the Church of Jesus Christ, then what happened to prophets?
If Joseph Smith just made up the idea of vicarious baptism for the dead, why do numerous ancient documents validate the LDS claim that this was an authentic early Christian practice?
At a time when all Christian churches taught that temples were no longer needed, how did Joseph so effectively restore the ancient temple concept on his own?
What other church better corresponds with early Christianity in terms of teaching the true relationship between faith, grace, and works?
Why do the earliest Christian writings sound much closer to LDS theology than they to modern "mainstream" Christianity?
If it's unchristian, unbiblical, and evil to believe that humans have divine potential, why do many Biblical and early Christian sources speak of the humans becoming "gods"?
If the Bible is infallible, by whose authority were the various books of the Bible selected in an infallible manner? By whose authority were the infallible translations made and approved?
Who authorized the changes in the ritual of baptism that occurred since the New Testament Church? And who in your church has true authority from God to perform baptisms?
If the Book of Abraham is a fraud, then how do you account for the details in the text that would later be given extensive support by numerous ancient documents that were not available to Joseph Smith?
@@lootingiv4058 Thank you for your rather large list of questions. First off, I am NOT religious. While not an Atheist, I'd consider myself Agnostic. So, in no particular order I'll respond to the Book of Abraham controversy. I'll try to find more information on your other questions and post them later. But, I suspect as a member of the LDS Church, you might be resistant to hearing any facts that contradict your beliefs. Whatever, here's the information I have.
Joseph Smith’s Book of Abraham
In 1835, Smith obtained ancient papyri from a traveling mummy exhibitionist named Michael Chandler. According to Smith, these papyri contained the words of “Abraham, written by his own hand.” Given that Smith regarded himself as a prophet, seer, and revelator, he “translated” these Egyptian hieroglyphics, which became known as the Book of Abraham. It was first published in 1842 and canonized as part of the Pearl of Great Price in 1880. Note that this was before anyone in America had any working knowledge of Egyptian hieroglyphics.
The papyri were once thought to have been destroyed in the Great Chicago Fire of 1871, although they later turned up in the New York Metropolitan Museum and were given over to the LDS Church in 1967. By this time, scholars knew how to translate Egyptian hieroglyphics. They studied the papyri and concluded that they were part of the Books of Breathing, a famous ancient Egyptian funerary text dated well after the time of Abraham. As it turns out, the translation does not mention anything about Abraham.
Even prior to this discovery, there were still translational problems with the Book of Abraham given its three published facsimiles. For example, in Facsimile No. 3, Smith identified one of the figures as “Abraham sitting upon Pharaoh’s throne.” However, Egyptologists agree that this is the pagan god Osiris. Smith also identified another figure as “King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head.” However, this is the pagan goddess Isis, and the characters don’t indicate what Smith asserted. The same goes for the rest of Smith’s translations in this facsimile. The famous nineteenth century French Egyptologist M. Theodule dismissed Joseph’s explanations of all three facsimiles as "rambling nonsense.”
In addition to all this, Smith’s Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar was published a year prior to the papyri being released to the Church. This lent further evidence that Joseph lied.
Professional Egyptologists to whom the Alphabet and Grammar was submitted for examination were quick to point out that the material in Joseph Smith’s notebook bore no resemblance at all to any correct understanding of the ancient Egyptian language. As one of them, I. E. Edwards, put it, the whole work was, “largely a piece of imagination and lacking in any kind of scientific value.”
Galatians 1:8-9 , 8But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be [b]accursed. 9As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
At first i thought this channel was a sarcastic channel.... Than i realised this guy is actually a Morman.....what a trip
Haha, it's hard to believe someone is really this stupid isn't it?
@@utahbac9882 You're an atheist then?
@@jaromsmiss no just because someone doesn’t believe in the Mormon church doesn’t make them atheist.
@@lynnanderson4011 well considering the same people who say that Mormonism is stupid must also accept the supernatural for THEIR beliefs I always hope they are atheist based off their rude comments. so I hope they are atheist if they can call another belief system " stupid". Consider that Mormonism only invites those to PRAY and ASK GOD before believing they are justified in my views.
Im not mormon either
@@jaromsmiss religion is MAN MADE! The Mormon religion was made up by Joseph Smith.
by the way read moroni 10:4 and tell us what happens will you or read James 1:5 in the bible and tell us what happens can you be that brave?
In samauels dont what section but it talks about the priest when he put out the the candles thats in the temple when the sun goes down when he does that God spirit isnt thier anymore by the way so he doesnt speak with us until its lit again
Yes its the same line you all use but it refers to the old Testament if jesus is the savior if he is the messiah
Read my othe replys below it answer your question about false prophets
Here a scripture. 14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:14-18)
5 Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. 6 Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar. (Proverbs 30:5-6)
14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:14-18)
5 Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. 6 Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar. (Proverbs 30:5-6)
Are you a member?
So why did the LDS church go so far out of it's way to teach that the Book of Mormon was translated ONLY with the plates and Urim and Thummim? While this information was present if you dug, it was not taught to the general congregations nor in their curriculum that they meticulously prepare each year. As a missionary, all of these details were conveniently left out of the discussions and were not taught in MTC nor in list of approved reading materials for missionaries.
I learned in the 1980’s that he translated the plates using both methods. The main point is that he did it using the gift and power of God.
All I know is....... I'm better with the LDS church then I am without it.
You'll find that at the end of the day, the truth is what will save you.
Strangely enough, I have found the exact opposite to be true. My life has gotten much, much better since I left the church.
So your better with the LDS that continues telling lies and think thats okay then your father is Satan and his false prophet
No, no you're not. Especially once you die and realize too late that you have put your faith in a fraud. Christ Jesus is the ONLY way, truth and life. Smith was a con artist and his followers are imbeciles, or moroni's.
If you will read the account of king nebuchanezzar, reigning on his first year as king, lehi and his family left jerusalem, a reference in the old testment 2king 24 to 25, states that nebuchadnezzar was killed on the 11th year as king, the exact time that lehi and his family reached the land of promise.. now comparing the timelines on the book of Mormon and from the bible, can a man who grew up from on a farm with little to no schooling... invent such a story? I know this is something of an impossible, except..if everything that he has written truly happened in the past.. and he was guided by a devine entity...to translate the gold plates..into the book that we members refer to as the Book of Mormon.. i know its true.. I've read it 3 times.. I've felt the spirit.. it speaks to your heart..in a form of emotion.. telling you..this book is true.. and that Joseph was a true prophet of God.. and the church he helped to restore is the church of Jesus Christ from the times of old..
It is possible that it came from Satan himself to device a plan to flood you with words the spirit of the anti christ is very crafty but your answer lies in his story that Missouri would be the temple be built on such a day it never came true thiers no take back in the OT. The Aron priest hood cant have more than one wife or married other church members wife in the spirit thats abomination to God or marry a gentile its in the OT WRITTEN WORD OF GOD when prophet fails at least one God will always make you see the truth that he never changes or let others add words
@@juanbells925 compare your comment with mine.. and get a feel of where there is hate and deceit.. then you will know who is guided by the one who wants to lie. good day.
Lehi is not in tbe OT And smith gave a prophecy and never came true its in the OT the written word of God if that prophet fails one prophecy dont fear that prophet so what storytelling he wrote is worthless bcuz of that one fail prophecy that didn't came to pass those words came outta his mouth bout temple being built in his day he died before that the proof of it is this present day wheres the Temple thats suppose to be standing today sounds like he's quoting yeshua words my body is my temple it is broken up for you stop using the holy bible and perverted with that false prophet
Ryan read GENESIS 50 1-26 in the King james Version then Compare it to Joseph Smith Translation which it is in the mormon app on your phone GENESIS 50 ENDS AT VERSE 26 IN THE JOSEPH SMITH VERSION HE ADDS HIMSELF write himself into the scriptures AND adds more 27 to 38 SO THIER YOU HAVE THE PROOF WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT FALSE PROPHETS 14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:14-18)
5 Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. 6 Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar. (Proverbs 30:5-6)
What ever floats your boat bob.
How did he lift the books he was given? Seems like they would of been to heavy to lift since gold is extremely heavy and the dimensions given confirm this.
A novelist can produce three pages a day --- Stephan King writes in a trance state. Further, Ellen White, the Adventist movement's prophetess, who lived shortly after Joseph Smith, enters her trance state and produces more religious writing than Joseph Smith.
Michael Miller but they all take time to edit, and Stephen King hires ghostwriters to help develop his novels.
@@Christopherianmatt This kind of writing is called "flash writing." Moreover, Ellen White, the prophetess of the Adventist
movement, who came shortly after Joseph Smith, wrote more material from her trance state, than did Joseph Smith. Moreover, during the time of Joseph Smith, others were producing revelations with seer stones, which was a problem for Joseph,
because he wanted to be the sole prophet,
seer and revelator and spokesperson for God. Joseph had Hiram Page, who received many revelations with the seer stone he wore around his neck, to stand before the conference and tell the congregation that his revelations
were from the devil.
@@Christopherianmatt Joseph Smith had "ghost writers" for example "View of the Hebrews" by Ethan Smith. Then what about Ellen White, in her trance state, she wrote more words considered scripture for the Adventist movement than Joseph Smith.
I don’t think Joseph was the only prophet, but he was for a limited time to be the only prophet for his church. Christ has other churches and they are part his universal church. We would have to individually read, study and prayerful consider each message to know if it is inspired by God. I know that Joseph was inspired by God because God told me. That’s the only way anyone can know anything. But when you study all the religious books written throughout the world, you’ll see how they correlate and come together (if you see with the eyes of the spirit). The Book of Mormon was a collection of scripture, written by prophets, buried to preserve it to come forth a thousand years later. The Nag Hammadi Scriptures and Dead Sea Scrolls are exactly that as well, one even engraved on metal plates, just over one century later.
At 5:35, at number of authors read the book including mark Twain. Who said, its crap. Wilfrid said that Joseph smith was capable of making it up and talks about the narrative being the same as the view of the hebrews. Continue
I've read the View of the Hebrews. It's not at all the same. Critics need to mature past that lame argument.
Book of Mormon Central has already responded to your claims about Mark Twain here:
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President Lincoln didn’t think it was crap. He even quoted from the BOM. He checked the book out of an Illinois library.
The evidences mentioned is no where near enough for justification of the religion.
Justification comes from revelation about the Book of Mormon. This is evidence that he didn’t write the book.
They do publish other videos. I’m obviously not a Mormon, so take what I say with a grain of salt
correct, and a lot of the things stated come out of shere ignorance, for example, saying that he had no time to make revisions or come up with it on the fly, IS true, however, that's ignoring what was stated earlier of him not being able to get the plates for four years, and four years is more then enough time to write something and have it memorized
@@beowolf9480 Sheer ignorance. Lol
"Of course this sounds odd..." what a load of crap
Hey Mormons... Why don't you use the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible? If the Bible is true "as long as it is translated correctly" then why not use the translation that your prophet says is translated correctly? Why use the KJV instead of the JST?
That’s an excellent question, and I do not think that there’s an official answer. I have always guessed that there was more legitimacy in using the King James Version rather than a revision without a translation from known historical sources.
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I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive
So true
What really kills me is that the church has and always will face persecution. I'm willing to bet alot of the slanderous comments are coming from other Christian's. It's funny how that works out, it was religious people who put christ on the cross. Just a thought.
*Eric* What truth have you offered up in your post? What can you provide to substantiate your claims that it's all real? Interesting, that this video failed to note that Moroni told Joseph to come back in one year to get the plates and he was to bring his oldest brother, Alvin. Alvin of course died 10 months prior, yet Moroni told Joseph to bring him? This is fact Eric. You need to consider your ways Eric.
@@Kman.
You have to acknowledge that spiritual truths are discerned spiritually, not by visual things believed to be evidence.
I identify truth through prayer, study & ponder, fast, and most importantly, by the help of the Holy Ghost.
As prophesied by Isaiah the people were going to be put into a spiritual sleep while the Lord performed a marvelous work among them.
Isaiah 29:9-12
9 ¶ Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.
10 For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
Isaiah 29:14
14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
We were all in a spiritual sleep, the prophets were covered and Christ performed a marvelous work.
1 Nephi 9:5-6
5 Wherefore, the Lord hath commanded me to make these plates for a wise purpose in him, which purpose I know not.
6 But the Lord knoweth all things from the beginning; wherefore, he prepareth a way to accomplish all his works among the children of men; for behold, he hath all power unto the fulfilling of all his words. And thus it is. Amen.
This marvelous work was the preparation for the restoration and gathering of Israel.
Ezekiel 37:15-17
15 ¶ The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
Two records shall become one in thine hand in the last days, one record by Judah and one by Joseph.
We know the Bible is a record of Judah.
3 Nephi 15:12
12 Ye are my disciples; and ye are a light unto this people, who are a remnant of the house of Joseph.
The Nephites made the record of Joseph.
One stick for Judah, one stick for Joseph and they became one in thine hand.
2 Nephi 29:8
8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also.
"the testimony of two nations is a witness"
Ezekiel 37:18-22
18 ¶ And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20 ¶ And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
The Lord knew and saw the Great Apostasy and knew his people were going to dwindle in unbelief and would need another witness of Christ for the gathering of Israel.
D&Cs 1:29-30
29 And after having received the record of the Nephites, yea, even my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., might have power to translate through the mercy of God, by the power of God, the Book of Mormon.
30 And also those to whom these commandments were given, might have power to lay the foundation of this church, and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of darkness, the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased, speaking unto the church collectively and not individually-
Isaiah 29:18-19
18 ¶ And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.
All these records and prophecies by Isaiah, Ezekiel and Nephi and his descendants is The Book of Mormon, it has opened the eyes of millions helping them see out of darkness and obscurity, and brought them unto Christ.
That doesn't sound like work of the Devil.
It aint about persecution the church its about the teaching of false doctrine or false prophets like Smith who wrote himself in the bible thats why i reply with scriptures that god doesnt change at all its not corrupted once you add into scripture your a false prophet your only suppose to make copy of the law in front of the priest as witness
@@juanbells925
When you lay restrictions for God, the Eternal Father, you're lifting yourselves above Him.
Who gave you the authority to give commandments to God?
"God, you cannot raise prophets and apostles ever again."
"God, you cannot send angelic ministry ever again."
"Shut up God! we need no more Bible."
2 Nephi 28:3-6; 26-27
3 For it shall come to pass in that day that the churches which are built up, and not unto the Lord, when the one shall say unto the other: Behold, I, I am the Lord’s; and the others shall say: I, I am the Lord’s; and thus shall every one say that hath built up churches, and not unto the Lord-
4 And they shall contend one with another; and their priests shall contend one with another, and they shall teach with their learning, and deny the Holy Ghost, which giveth utterance.
5 And they deny the power of God, the Holy One of Israel; and they say unto the people: Hearken unto us, and hear ye our precept; for behold there is no God today, for the Lord and the Redeemer hath done his work, and he hath given his power unto men;
6 Behold, hearken ye unto my precept; if they shall say there is a miracle wrought by the hand of the Lord, believe it not; for this day he is not a God of miracles; he hath done his work.
26 Yea, wo be unto him that hearkeneth unto the precepts of men, and denieth the power of God, and the gift of the Holy Ghost!
27 Yea, wo be unto him that saith: We have received, and we need no more!
29 Wo be unto him that shall say: We have received the word of God, and we need no more of the word of God, for we have enough!
You all fulfilled that prophecy, claiming God's finished his work and given his power to you.
Ephesians 1:10
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
"dispensation of the fullness of times"
That's now, not 2000 years ago, not all!
"both which are in heaven, and which are on earth;"
Both sides of the veil, the gathering of Israel is not just on earth.
God never changes, he is the same yesterday, today and forever. He always did his work on earth by sending divine revelations through apostles and prophets.
The true church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, will always be under persecution as John prophesied.
@@danielmoore4024 im notblifting above him the mormons are exalting above God you cant be saved by works alone but by faith in the son of man who is Son of God who is Jesus im not attacking the church but its false teachings
Where are the golden plates he found in the woods?
Hi, Tim, if you really did honestly want to know the truth, and had taken the time to read Joseph Smith’s personal account in the first few introductory pages of the Book of Mormon and also in more detail in the Pearl of Great Price, you would easily have known that the angel, Moroni, came once again to Joseph so that he could gather them up to where they rightfully belong, and that Joseph gave them to Moroni. It makes sense to me that since the plates were that precious and contained an ancient record of people and their dealings with God, that contained his gospel, then of course he would not want them to end up in some museum somewhere, when men who didn’t have good will, nor good intentions would try to translate them, thereby trying to prove Joseph Smith was a fraud in their eyes. It was in God’s wisdom that Joseph was to give them to Moroni for safekeeping.
And why is it that you don’t seek the original scrolls from which the Bible was written? Doesn’t someone like you need proof for that, too?
To all who criticize The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,
The Pharisees thought Jesus Christ was a con man.
You think Joseph Smith was a con man.
The Pharisees kept trying to frame Jesus Christ.
Church critics have been trying to frame Joseph Smith for nearly 200 years.
The Pharisees called Christ's teachings blasphemous.
Critics call Joseph's teachings blasphemous.
The Pharisees bore false witness against Jesus Christ.
Critics bear false witness against Joseph Smith.
The Pharisees crucified (killed) Jesus Christ.
Critics killed Joseph Smith.
The Pharisees wouldn't accept Christ's words.
Critics won't accept Christ's words revealed through Joseph.
The parallels go on and on, you should be given the title,
"The Latter-day Pharisees".
Christ did not have affairs with his foster children [Fanny Alger] or marry other peoples wives, or threaten other families with damnation just to marry their daughters either. People have been trying to expose Joseph Smith all these years because he is a fraud.
@@michaelgrey7854
You're a Latter-day Pharisee, you behave exactly alike the wicked Pharisees, we'll always know you hypocrites by your deceivings and bad fruits.
As Christ taught those who bring forth bad fruit like you critics cannot bring forth good fruits.
@@zachgarver7922
You're the ones acting as the Pharisees.
The Pharisees thought Christ was a con man, who thinks Joseph was a con man, you or I?
I learning from critics is like people learning from Judas about Christ.
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I don't have a difficulty with the scrutiny, I actually find most of it amusing like;
The Book of Mormon's not mentioned in the Bible so it's false.
That's hilarious because the Bible is not mentioned in the Bible so according to their reasoning the Bible must be false.
You fall for one of Satan's biggest deceitful tricks, being prejudice.
Just because the minority can't handle all the scrutiny doesn't mean I can't.
What you've said is like me saying everyone with diabetes believes the same as my dad, categorising people is prejudice, you can't make an accurate judgement about a group of people when you've only had experience with a minority of them.
The Pharisees knew Jesus Christ was the Messiah, they were testing him. Tis written in the Old Testament.
I really appreciate this video! Those of you who constantly love to argue about the Prophet Joseph Smith and his claims that the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God really need to just study the book itself with an open mind and a sincere heart. If you do so with the right intentions, God will tell you in a way that only you will know--is nothing short of a miracle that this book is true. EVERY time I open the Book of Mormon and study it, I grow a deeper understanding, love, and gratitude of our Savior. Y'all have a blessed day! And quit hatin'! lol
Wil Heimuli thanks
Zander Sturgill anytime Brother!
Wil Heimuli I agree! With an open mind and real intent. That is why I always doubt. Doubt is the beginning of wisdom. Because if I doubt my doubt, that means I dont open my mind.
Open mind, sincere heart, real intent. Yup, all the buzz words of a cult. I think you got so open minded that your brain fell out. What about testing the spirit that appeared, nowhere do I see Joseph Smith do that.
Here are some details of Joseph Smith Jr.'s criminal history: Smith was born in Vermont in 1805, and his family moved to New York in 1817. At age 20, Smith --- described in court records as "Joseph the glasslooker" --- faced his first criminal charge, a misdemeanor count of being a "disorderly person". In 1830, he faced the same charge. He left New York for Ohio.
>>> Disorderly person, March 1826 > This account has been corroborated by later discoveries, such as Justice Neely's bill of costs which refers to Joseph Smith as "The Glass Looker," (i.e. a diviner), discovered in 1971 by Wesley P. Walters. The total costs exactly matched the amount in Fraser's Magazine. However, other contradictory accounts of the trial have also been published which brings the authenticity of the accounts into question. In 1838, Joseph Smith stated that he had, in fact, worked for Josiah Stowell but Smith avoided mentioning the court hearing and downplayed his role by claiming to be a mere bystander. Smith said that Stowell had heard of a lost Spanish silver mine near Harmony, Pennsylvania, and wanted to find it. According to Smith, Stowell "took me, with the rest of his hands, to dig for the silver mine, at which I continued to work for nearly a month, without success in our undertaking, and finally I prevailed with the old gentleman to cease digging after it. Hence arose the very prevalent story of my having been a money-digger."
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>>> Disorderly person, June 1830 > In Ohio (1831-38) > Illegal banking, February 1837 > Conspiracy to murder Newell, June 1837 >> In Missouri (1838-39) > Threats to Judge Adam Black, August 1838
Wonderful work, thank you BMC Studios. I agree that the genesis of the BoM is miraculous.
Lame. It was made up by jo to avoid work & be able to bang other members wives.
Never a shortage of gullible people
Yeah the story about Joseph Smith looking into a hat, is a modern revision.
He read the plates with his face in the hat you know how ridiculous that sounds
Joseph Smith never had possession of the golden plates . His translations were all looking into a hat at a sear stone or urim and thummum. That is what is written in Mormon doctrine. The gullibility of blind faith is evident in this presenter when he stated that someone pretending to read out of a hat didn't make up the book of mormon. Of course he wasn't reading from any manuscript because he was making it up as he went along, as depicted in the South Park episode where Lucy hid some of the writings and Smith couldn't reproduce them. There's the proof he made the whole thing up. You also forgot to mention Joseph Smith's prized Jupiter talisman a coin like object he kept with him for good luck and found on him after being shot. This after Smith shot three people while in jail from a smuggled pistol, two of which died. You need to read the actual witness testimony for the golden plates. They saw them with their spiritual eye. No one ever saw the plates just like the treasure that Joseph Smith Jr. was convicted in court for swindling a neighbor. 'Every time the shovel got near the treasure as they dug, the spirit would move the treasure.' The remarkable part of that first translation had the god head described as the traditional Christian trinity. It wasn't until later editions that the three gods were turned in to separate beings as taught by Mormons. There are original prints in circulation not yet destroyed by the church. The book of mormon has had thousands of edits over the history of the church and not just spelling corrections or adding chapters and verses like many Mormon apologists like to reason. Demonstrably, the most perfect book (according to Moron doctrine) is so far from being perfect it's a travesty. Ask yourself why are there so many religions. The simple answer is that spirituality is an emotion just like love, hate, fear, melancholy or joy. The things that bring you joy, contentment etc. are different between people, cultures and languages. The same goes for that spiritual feeling you get from praying, hearing the national anthem, a song that moves you, it's all the same. Mankind has been inventing gods and creeds for millennia. Jesus is probably the most profitable of all religions. There are many billionaire 'Christian' churches that all cherry pick what they want to believe out of the bible. Mormons are special, they have a second book that they can choose from. The book of Mormon doesn't even support much of what is in their Doctrine and Covenants. In other words there are no verses in the book of mormon that directly support temple marriage or most anything else the mormon church teaches. All religions are just a pathetic controlling device for those who want to be controlled.
while he was making up the story, joseph smith made some verbal errors that were written down by the scribe and continue to this day to be printed in the book.
such a thing happens when someone is making up a story, not when someone is getting every word straight from god, like joseph smith said he did.
ether 15 ch.30,31 smote off the head of shiz after he smote of his head shiz struggled for breath and died
changing the name of King Benjamin to King Mosiah (King Benjamin was already dead at this point) "... king Benjamin had a gift from God, whereby he could interpret such engravings ..." (Book of Mormon, 1830 edition, page 200)
In modern editions of the Book of Mormon this verse has been changed to read:
"... king Mosiah had a gift from God, whereby he could interpret such engravings ..." (Book of Mormon, 1964 edition, Mosiah 21:28)
mosiah 7. 8 And it came to pass when they had been in prison two days they were again brought before the king, and their bands were loosed; and they stood before the king, and were permitted, or rather acommanded, that they should answer the questions which he should ask them.
alma 10.5 Nevertheless, after all this, I never have known much of the ways of the Lord, and his amysteries and marvelous power. I said I never had known much of these things; but behold, I mistake, for I have seen much of his mysteries and his marvelous power; yea, even in the preservation of the lives of this people.
alma 24. 19 "thus we see that they buried their weapons of peace, or they buried the weapons of war, for peace"
alma 43.38 38 While on the other hand, there was now and then a man fell among the Nephites, by their swords and the loss of blood, they being shielded from the more vital parts of the body, or the more vital parts of the body being shielded from the strokes of the Lamanites,
2 nephi 5. 15 And I did teach my people to abuild buildings, and to bwork in all cmanner of wood, and of diron, and of copper, and of ebrass, and of steel, and of fgold, and of silver, and of precious ores, which were in great abundance.
16 And I, Nephi, did abuild a btemple; and I did construct it after the manner of the temple of cSolomon save it were not built of so many dprecious things; for they were not to be found upon the land,
4000 errors in the book of mormon. they were not all grammatical errors. you don't see them in today's book of mormon, because the book of mormon is the most corrected book on the earth.
what joseph thought was "folksy" talk made the book of mormon a complete embarrassment.
So wait. He started translating in the spring and summer of 1828 with the transcribing skills of Emma and Martin Harris. Then you said it was completed in June 1829 at “a breakneck pace” with some other dude, Oliver, involved. I think you skipped some stuff.
Also… why were “editions” needed?
The same rock was used for money-digging and folk magic?! LOL right, ok.
Nothing you said “strengthens the claim” of any of this. Sorry.
You're just talking through your hat again.....
I found your video very bland. You gave absolutely zero tangible evidence but you brushed across them with a very broad stroke… I would love it if you made a 10 part series and talked about each individual part extensively! Bring some actual evidence other than declaring your belief. I found this video very disappointing
George Praisehim you are literally doing what you accuse the video of doing lol: declaring your belief without even engaging the claims.
All you have to do is simply look at the video description, and you can read the research for the claims and arguments made in the video.
"Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb"
- South Park