My grandson who is taking gun training this spring happened to catch me watching your shotgun tips videos said "This is good grandpa that you are watching these videos because I don't want to show you up this summer."
I have watched Gebben Miles' "Quiet Dust shooting" dvd, and Gebben agrees that the eyes focus faster from far to near, then from near to far. I have tried focusing on objects beyond the fligh path of the target before I call pull , and I can tell you, from personal experience, that's this technique defiantly works.
i dont mean to be offtopic but does anybody know of a method to get back into an Instagram account?? I was dumb forgot the account password. I appreciate any tricks you can offer me!
@Kristopher Andres i really appreciate your reply. I got to the site through google and I'm in the hacking process atm. Looks like it's gonna take a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
Gil, as always fantastic information. On vision can you expand on this topic with some visual gifs like your other videos. I think I understand the concept but a little more detail will help.
Watched this video a while ago and tried to apply it on the trap range without much success. Just the other day, I did it totally by accident once! Busted the clay before I realize that I saw it, very quick out of the trap and also with the least gun movement I ever had! remembering this video I shot 2 more rounds trying to apply the eye focusing on every shot...a 23 and a 22. Will certainly be working on this from now on!
Gil As a right hand shooter but left eye dominant. I shoot with clear tape over my left lens. Do you support tape over my left lens? Or given you preach never look down the barrel do you support allowing both eyes to still focus on the bird?
I am in the same boat as you. Right handed and left eye dominant. I forced myself to shoot left handed and I shoot far better this way. I close my right eye about 30‰ and it works far better than tape. Might be worth a try.
Good advice, Gil's videos are helpful for me. However, I definitely don't think it's on purpose, but the timing and delivery can come off as slightly condescending at times. There are plenty of people here that are dissenting about muscle function, I don't know or really care about that. But what I interpret Gil as saying, is keep a soft focus in the area you expect to break the target. And that in itself is undeniably true and helpful
That's interesting Gil. How did you come up with such a theory? You realize that most of the focusing that goes on in your eyes happens from right in front of your nose out to 20ft. There is very little if any change after that. This is well under any normal shotgun target distance. If your trying to focus from your front bead to the target or vice versa, that is different; as it is in that transition area. I can see how this may mislead you into thinking it works that way from say 30 to 20yds.
The machanics are the same even if the movements are a fraction of what they are for close in focusing, so I fail to see where you think you got one over on this guy? If anything the lack of physical motion involved in focusing from 30 to 20 yards as you say would make control much more important.It is simply easier to control something accurately with muscle contraction than to rely on muscle relaxation, the same idea applies to where you would much rather take a shot on the up swing.
I was not trying to "get one over on Mr. Ash". He is one of the best shotgun coaches in the country, if not the world. That said, he is not an Ophthamoligist and because he perceives something to be true, does not make it so. What is really happening is very long an complicated, but suffice to say that a "soft/loose" focus out in the area of "distance", will allow the eyes to focus quicker on a moving object; than picking any One place to focus on. Your eyes will find motion & go to that target.
You were missing the point. There is no muscle contraction or relaxation out passed 20ft. and most targets are 20yds. or greater. Therefore the concept is irrelevant. 20ft. is for all practical purposes infinity when it comes to focus. As in medicine, sometimes a placebo works (it's in the mind). That doesn't make it great medicine and it doesn't work on everyone.
well .. its a lousy analogy. Eyes use two sets of muscles to converge on the target, i.e. one set of muscles to converge the eyes and another set of muscles to diverge. Its like biceps and triceps. It should be equally easy to converge the eyes in and out. Focus is controlled by the lens that requires minimal adjustment beyond 20 yards. Everything outside of 20 yard zone is in focus.
2024 and I'm on a Gil Ash binge as I look to try clay sports (and shotguns in general) for the first time. Thank you, Mr Ash
My grandson who is taking gun training this spring happened to catch me watching your shotgun tips videos said "This is good grandpa that you are watching these videos because I don't want to show you up this summer."
Another great video from The NSSF and friends. I keep learning so many new and useful things!
What a great eye analogy you made with the clenched fist and then relaxing, makes perfect sense. I can't wait to put this to practice! Thank you.
I have watched Gebben Miles' "Quiet Dust shooting" dvd, and Gebben agrees that the eyes focus faster from far to near, then from near to far. I have tried focusing on objects beyond the fligh path of the target before I call pull , and I can tell you, from personal experience, that's this technique defiantly works.
i dont mean to be offtopic but does anybody know of a method to get back into an Instagram account??
I was dumb forgot the account password. I appreciate any tricks you can offer me!
@Fabian Terrence Instablaster :)
@Kristopher Andres i really appreciate your reply. I got to the site through google and I'm in the hacking process atm.
Looks like it's gonna take a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
@Kristopher Andres it worked and I now got access to my account again. I am so happy:D
Thank you so much you saved my ass :D
@Fabian Terrence happy to help :D
Gil, as always fantastic information. On vision can you expand on this topic with some visual gifs like your other videos. I think I understand the concept but a little more detail will help.
Watched this video a while ago and tried to apply it on the trap range without much success. Just the other day, I did it totally by accident once! Busted the clay before I realize that I saw it, very quick out of the trap and also with the least gun movement I ever had! remembering this video I shot 2 more rounds trying to apply the eye focusing on every shot...a 23 and a 22. Will certainly be working on this from now on!
Another great video on a subject I've seen little talk on. Some amazing quick simple but game changing tips in every one of your videos thanks!
Thank you so much for this tip. I had a great skeet round, then the next day I did terribly. I now realize what I was doing wrong on day 2.
Only with your videos, and one day practice in a range (IN INDIA), i got Aspiring Shooter certificate SIR. thankyou very much...
Love this guy and his teachings. BJan
This guy is good! Thanks for the tips
Wow, learnt something new today :-). Great video.
Very good-I will try this for sure!
excellent advice. Should be taught in all firearms class. Militaries practice this through repetition but without often explanation.
Nssf gil ash is v good inestracter
Gil
As a right hand shooter but left eye dominant. I shoot with clear tape over my left lens.
Do you support tape over my left lens? Or given you preach never look down the barrel do you support allowing both eyes to still focus on the bird?
I am in the same boat as you. Right handed and left eye dominant. I forced myself to shoot left handed and I shoot far better this way. I close my right eye about 30‰ and it works far better than tape. Might be worth a try.
Yeah
Good advice, Gil's videos are helpful for me. However, I definitely don't think it's on purpose, but the timing and delivery can come off as slightly condescending at times. There are plenty of people here that are dissenting about muscle function, I don't know or really care about that. But what I interpret Gil as saying, is keep a soft focus in the area you expect to break the target. And that in itself is undeniably true and helpful
nice!
That's interesting Gil. How did you come up with such a theory? You realize that most of the focusing that goes on in your eyes happens from right in front of your nose out to 20ft. There is very little if any change after that. This is well under any normal shotgun target distance. If your trying to focus from your front bead to the target or vice versa, that is different; as it is in that transition area. I can see how this may mislead you into thinking it works that way from say 30 to 20yds.
wheretoshoot.org---doesn't work if you live in Dorset. Only joking, I like Gil Ash, always useful advice
Dr Gil says stay focused well 🧐🤨🤓
genius
I wish I'd known that years ago lol
The machanics are the same even if the movements are a fraction of what they are for close in focusing, so I fail to see where you think you got one over on this guy?
If anything the lack of physical motion involved in focusing from 30 to 20 yards as you say would make control much more important.It is simply easier to control something accurately with muscle contraction than to rely on muscle relaxation, the same idea applies to where you would much rather take a shot on the up swing.
I was not trying to "get one over on Mr. Ash". He is one of the best shotgun coaches in the country, if not the world. That said, he is not an Ophthamoligist and because he perceives something to be true, does not make it so. What is really happening is very long an complicated, but suffice to say that a "soft/loose" focus out in the area of "distance", will allow the eyes to focus quicker on a moving object; than picking any One place to focus on. Your eyes will find motion & go to that target.
You were missing the point. There is no muscle contraction or relaxation out passed 20ft. and most targets are 20yds. or greater. Therefore the concept is irrelevant. 20ft. is for all practical purposes infinity when it comes to focus. As in medicine, sometimes a placebo works (it's in the mind). That doesn't make it great medicine and it doesn't work on everyone.
That Dude seems like a jerk.
BS!
well .. its a lousy analogy. Eyes use two sets of muscles to converge on the target, i.e. one set of muscles to converge the eyes and another set of muscles to diverge. Its like biceps and triceps. It should be equally easy to converge the eyes in and out. Focus is controlled by the lens that requires minimal adjustment beyond 20 yards. Everything outside of 20 yard zone is in focus.