Why is this camping cook set better?
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You SHOULD build your own camping cook set. In this video I talk about one of my favourite camping cook sets the Jetboil minimo, but I actually you’d be better off making your own cook set with individual parts like the Soto Windmaster stove and Toaks titanium pot.
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June 2023 - if you want a cheap, ultra light rig, just get this: a BRS stove, a Toaks or ali express titanium pot, one 100g canister, a pack of cheap aerosol-type butane canisters and a refueling connector. Total minimum cost $80 AUD, $55 USD. Total trail weight of 150g plus gas weight. Then work out using kitchen scales what weight of gas each kind of boil uses and fill the 100g canister to whatever amount you need plus a fudge factor. That one, overpriced 100g canister will last for years being refilled from the cheap cans. Forget the advertising: if it's cold, stick the canister in your armpit to warm it up while getting ready to boil.
I love my jetboil. Survived a decade in the military and 3 tours of Helmand province. I’ve only ever had to replace the canister. I have the pan adapter too. I love them 💜
Hi Paul, I gave up with my Jet Boil as it was just too tall for use inside the vestibule in bad weather. Instead, I reverted to my Soto Windmaster with the MSR low down convertor. I use a low rise wind shield. Add in my Toaks 700ml pot and MSR ceramic fry pan and I’m good to go.
Very good point! Nobody mentions the hight in their reviews but indeed especially the flash is huge. It indeed has it’s limits using it in the vestibule, offcourse it all depends on the tent.
It’s really great to see you pumping out content again. I appreciate your easy, conversational style.
I've always made up my own cook kits. Right now, I've got a Evernew 900 ml kettle-pot, inside of it is a 400 ml cup, a BRS 3000 burner, BIC mini, MSR Piezo igniter, bandana, Snow Peak Hotlips, pot scraper, and a small cleanup sponge. Total weight is right around 11 oz. or 311 gms. And I occasionally swap out the big pot with the MSR Titan 1L pot or the MSR Pocket Rocket 2. That comes in at about 14 oz/396 gms. I've also got another 6 or 7 pots, 2 or 3 alcohol stoves, a couple of Esbit stoves, and even a Vargo Hexagon wood stove. And yes I take the Vargo on just about every trip because it can act like a windscreen for either an alcohol stove or a gas burner. At least it works like that for the BRS. I also have a couple of frypans I can take as well. Cheers!
I use a Jetboil Micro Mo. Very fuel efficient because of the regulator, and it simmers well. The pot is just big enough to cook Knorr packs or instant rice. I also have an MSR Pocket Rocket but it takes twice as long to boil, and uses more fuel.
I have literally just come to this conclusion myself so this video couldn’t come at a better time! Thanks for the advice. Jetboil looks fancy but I came to the conclusion it would be cheaper and lighter to construct my own. MSR pocket rocket 2, a Toaks pot and a Jetboil gas stand.
I bought a titanium pot set, but be aware that they are only good for boiling water. Food burns on very easily because the pots are so thin & high conductivity. Forget frying or heating up a stew in a titanium vessel- it just burns. Also I prefer the stability of a low level burner (i.e. not attached to the top of the canister) in combination with an Alpkit folding screen to protect against draughts. As I'm partial to a bacon sandwich for breakfast I got hold of a very small frying pan (just big enough for 1 egg), which also acts as a lid to my titanium pot.
I totally agree with that. Im using campingaz tristar (not available anymore) and I'm very satisfied with that. I'm usin 1.5L jetboil ceramic pot and it's working perfectly. Even I can change the burner to smaller which belongs to campingaz twister. I dont really need a gas canister and jetboil stove. Just a good pot and good pan.
So true....proving the old adage "there are no solutions, only tradeoffs". I love my titanium pots and pans for being light and strong...but man they are shite to actually "cook" on. So they are my "boil water" options mostly. But then again my Trangia non-stick pots and pans are great to cook on when I want to actually cook somewhere.....they but are heavy and bulky by comparison. Sigh.....the laws of physics sometimes suck. 🙂
I use a 650ml Ti mug which holds a small gas canister, Pocket Rocket 2 stove, Mini Bic, small scourer sponge and bit of J cloth. The gas can stand sits underneath the mug and my collapsible mug on top of the lid. I put a Spork down the side between the mug and the mesh bag. I sometimes put my tiny frying pan at the bottom of the mesh bag too! Like you say, you can play about with all the items to suit different needs, but the little set above not only makes hot drinks but simmers small pots of stew etc from scratch, enough for me anyway with a bread roll. I love camp cooking! Thank you for another excellent video Paul, it’s like sitting with a mate discussing camping gear! 👍🏻🙂🌻
Great advice. I started out with a basic Argos stove originally for festivals. When camping came into it they worked well still - until distance walks started and weight became a factor. I expect most folk should just start small and upscale only if really needed.
It’s great to have you back mesner.
My old epigas spider stove still serves me well after buying it in 1987 amazing thing just keeps on going. Build your own every step of the way for me.
Nice vid thanks. Hope you’re feeling a bit more chipper now Paul.
good content mate, very relevant. i went for a bigger 1250ml pot fits loads inside plus can manage 2 boil in bag meals when you have company, cant fault it so far
I started building my own with a cheap no name cannister stove and a nested pot/mug set from GSI in anodized aluminum. I have added a few cannister stoves and even a liquid fuel MSR whisperlite. I added a jet boil a few years ago. I go back and forth between the systems based on my needs for each trip. I have done 3 treks at Philmont, 11 days each, and liquid stoves work best. Easy to keep track of fuel levels and usage. They are a bit heavy but you typically use 2 stoves for a group of 12.
That’s a nice setup you’ve built.
I’ve a tiny setup based around a 400ml titanium mug & bsr burner. Use it for ultralight trips were I just need to boil water.
I have a Stanley 2 cup cook set. It holds a fuel cannister and an Ozark Trails 4 in 1 stove. I also have the Ozark Trails 18 Oz. Cup which the Stanley nests in.
I use the highlander Jetboil copy. Slightly less efficient than the Jetboil but less than half the price. I have thought about getting a more flexible cookset though. Thanks for the info. Keep up the good work.
I still use a Primus Himalaya stove that can use Coleman fuel or similar and gas cartridges. Various pots depending if I'm hiking, cycling, or car camping. Pots are lightweight stainless steel and had them for a long time. As gas cartridges get used, the pressure drops. Good for simmering, but a quick tea or coffee the liquid fuel is better, as the bottle can be pressurised.
I've had Jetboil Minimo for 4 years and it has served me well. The biggest cons with it are a) the need to have the separate pot support b) the plastic cup which you need to be careful with, c) the limited use of the pot like you mentioned and d) limited availability of replacement parts should anything go wrong.
The JB separate pot support creates possibilities for mistakes, you can either forget to bring it or forget to put it on. After 4 years, the day came when I forgot to put it on and this mistake partially melted the burner's plastic parts. To be safe, I would've bought a new burner, but they're not sold separately where I am. Too expensive to order from US.
So I've since purchased Toaks 1100ml pot with frying pan lid and MSR PR DLX burner. I love the possibility to use the pot in open fire too. The burner is very efficient and no need to worry about silly separate parts for frying pans or flimsy plastic cups.
I'm a stove freak :).
My current go to is a speedster alcohol burner and stand windshield, titanium 750ml mug and lid, an xmug, and a human gear spork. Also a soto lighter and a wee brass sparker
If gas, it is a either an optimus crux or a soto in a 900ml primus pot. I'm using less gas these days due to supply and cost. The jetboil doesn't appeal.
Get some silicon tubing for the Toaks handles. 3mm internal diameter fits. The stuff used for car vacxuum hoses. Costs very little
I've just ordered a speedster stove and windshield with pot support for my 650ml titanium mug, looking forward to trying it! Really reasonable price to
@@austingavins9181 I cut a slot in an old windshield but use Gary's pot support. It is all very well made stuff and great customer service. Best of all it is light and compact.
You can save on fuel by not boiling. Check gearskeptic video, boiling vs pasteurization.
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MSR pocket rocket 2, piezo igniter, Toaks 650ml titanium mug, canister stand, folding spork (optional) sits on top, no separate mug as that’s what the Toaks does. I do swap it out for the Soto new river pot when I need to boil larger volumes of water. Been tempted with the Jetboil stash but I would on,y be replacing a similar system that already works fine 🤔
I've got the pocket rocket deluxe and jetboil flash. Both work flawlessly. I use the flash for mostly heating water. The rocket is a real work horse.
Recently bought the Fire Maple 2.... Jeez ,. Just for all newbies to these types of cookers. They are REALLY fast at heating up liquids... So, after cleaning up boiled milk I totally recommend these types of cookers
You could’ve used my discount code for that. 🙈
Almost bought a Jetboil today but couldn't figure out which one to get. Glad I saw this now as I think I'll build my own for cheaper and customobility! Makes much more sense as it will be cheaper in the long run as well, especially as I can upgrade it as I go. Cheers Paul!
Great video in a lovely location. You are a natural at this type of "training", you will have inspired thousands to adventure. Best wishes a guy based down south.
i prefer using a remote burner which sits directly on the ground rather than on top of the burner. As on any uneven ground trying to keep a pot stable, upright can be a challenge. I use a spark generator/flint system to light it. As it'll always work in all weathers. I have a small windbreaker if needed to help shelter it from the weather too.
Fantastic kit! Was trying to decide between so many different options and after doing all my research I find your video and yours is the best. Wish I found this video sooner!
Old school alcohol stoves for me! However, I'm not cooking in extreme weather. My current favourite is a Polymath Phantom - burner, stand and windshield all pack down to about half the size of my pot. Yes, they take longer to boil water, but at my age I'm in no rush!
Kovea Spyder.. low profile, low cg so won't tip ( fed from cannister via flexible tube, with pre-heat tube- liquid feed so you never have problems with low gas pressure associated with lower ambient temperatures). Works fine with just cheap Butane as well as Propane/Butane mix.
I built up a kit in pieces as I could afford it and I'll always prefer the flexibility that it offers. If a less efficient stove means boil times are slightly slower, then so be it.
Good points there Paul. I just put together a set with a 1 litre pot and a Trangia spirit burner. Everything goes in including a nalgene bottle of meths for it. I like the compactness and simplicity of it. If I need to use a gas burner I can do that as well I think, so there is definitely a flexibilty with self built set.
Great information Paul. I use the MSR Duo, if I'm alone I'll take the one litre pot, if I'm out with my wife I'll take a 1.8 litre pot. I also have an adapter ring to use conventional cooking gear. I also carry a MSR pocket rocket 2 as a backup they weigh next to nothing. I prefer the remote burner as opposed to burner on the canister.
Good advice, the other thing to consider (IMO) is the route you are doing or planning to do.
Routes like the West Highland Way pass through loads of towns and villages so the option to buy things to cook is there, so in my case I'd probably take my Trangia Mini in case I want a steak or fried breakfast etc. The Affric-Kintail Way or Cape Wrath Trail though are much more remote so I'd probably be taking just a gas stove and a cup with a lid (Crusader Mug as it nests with the 58 pattern water bottles I have, much cheaper than Nalgene bottles!) to boil water for dehydrated meals.
My very first stove was an MSR whisper light International. I still have it, it’s not the most compact stove itself but I sacrifice that for the fact that I just really like the stove. I like picking out individual bits of my cook set because that way I know I get exactly what I want that’s custom to my needs. I’ve tried a JetBoil before, and I think that they are great stoves and have value. I have found that the people I meet that really love their JetBoil are more likely to just be eating dehydrated meals on a hunting trip. I like the flexibility of having a little kit that I put together myself. Additionally, when you build your own kit, it can be easier to replace pieces that stop working, get lost, or break because it’s not only less expensive but easier to find replacements.
Whisper light is a fatntastic burner. Especially usefull in the middle east or (North)Africa where gas canisters are rare or not available. However in Europe I tend to use gas canisters. Cleaner, lighter and safer (usable in the vestibule).
I've a few systems:
Jobsworth Jetboil Copy
MSR Pocket Rocket 2/Toaks 750ml Titanium Pot as featured
Trangia 27 Non Stick
I will be changing to the Soto Windmaster in the near future as I think it's a more versatile system as the flame isn't as centered as it is on the MSR PR2.
I find the Trangia too bulky and messy for lightweight wild camps (Got the Gas conversion too)
Thanks for this little video, I've a friend just starting out and this explains the basics, you are right that you don't have to spend an arm and a leg from the get go.
I have an Esbit 5-piece cooker and a mini Trangia. Both are excellent.
Versatility is key. Good to see you back to your 'old self'
Pick up a FireMaple from about 40 euros, same efficiency as the JetBoil but at half the price. Have been using mine for about 12 months and it's great!
Some great ideas here @paulmessner
Great to see you with a smile on your face and a spring in your step again👍🏻
Soto windmaster and the alpkit titanium Mytipot is my favourite combo these days for wild camping 🏕 👍
Good to see theses type of videos back again.
Great review and video, I am new to the those integrated systems and I am not sure if I really need it, thanks you for sharing
Great content as always Paul, I tend to use my minimo mainly, but it’s nice to have a change now and then, so I switch to my pocket rocket 2 and titanium pot. It’s nice swop em out now and then. Agree 100% that you can buy cheaper and build as you go along. Thanks for sharing buddy.
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Own Set .. keep the smaller pot and nest it inside the newer, larger pot.
The Jet Boil has never been on my radar. Saving a couple of minutes in 24 hours getting water to boil .. naaah! And, those fancy Freeze-Dried Meals .. have never needed them.
I've done that with my Trangia 28 Mini. I have two Camping Bowls nesting inside the original 28 Mini, together with the Pot Stand, Stove and Pot Gripper and when extra Pot size is needed, the whole lot fits into a Quechua MH100 Pot. Lots of flexibility and mix-and-match to suit as and when required.
Yes, it, the full set, is not the lightest of kits (not a back breaker either) .. but then, my days of walking to the ends of the earth just to enjoy the outdoors or setting up personal time-distance speed records are long gone.
Good advice .. thanks for sharing .. take care ..
Hi Paul. Glad to see you back and doing what you love.
I use both augers to be honest. Both have a place for me and the wife.
Depends on what we are doing.
Both are relevant and both and great.
Still use the tiny Brs most of
Then year fill up 650ml Lixada to the top 4/5 mins boil fill up dehydrated meal and mug for coffee.love the simplicity no faff 👍
I went to the windburner after doing winter camping, especially in windy places. The wind efficiency is soooo much better. Only the accessories are expensive 😅
Thanks, I never thought of looking for a titanium coffee press for my camping stove. Just what I wanted.
Great video Paul, very informative, I have a Soto WindMaster and they are brilliant, it has never let me down, had it a good few years now, and I believe that a unit like the Jetboil was invented for extreme climbers too (Does what it says on the tin) save weight and combine everything together and work at high altitude, keep up the great work Paul, I promise I will purchase some merch.
Lovely vid Paul, even though i pretty much know the things you talk about, I can't help but watch to the end. Your craftsmanship in video making and soothing voice are what do it I think! Glad to see you're on a bit of a roll at the moment. Hope you're still taking care of yourself xx
Cheers Paul for as usual an interesting vid.
Totally agree pick what suits you.
Been round in a circle almost .
Started with a primus paraffin stove 50 years ago .
Got the MSR PR ect but gone back to my ancient Trangia just because of its lack of noise.
Heat exchanger pots are great.
Keep up the great content mate
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I agree on the noise. All my friends have canister stores but I feel like it ruins the serenity we go out into the bush to enjoy. An alcohol stove takes a few minutes longer but who cares, you’re there to relax and enjoy a change of pace.
One should build his own cooking system, I recommend it: I ran out of gas a few days ago while camping, the video should be up soon, and I could cook with firewood. Although my titanium set is all black but, I soaked it in hot water & detergent & it should be clean.
This pretty much my exact setup.. I use the toaks 750ml but with an msr pocket rocket 2, snow peak spork. The versatility is great… lost my sea to summit collapsible mug as was grey, need to replace with a brighter colour. They’re great bits of kit
I built my own, stainless steel 750ml pot from tbs. Good for wild camps and bushcraft stuff.
I also give up my fire maple x2 as it is too big in my pack. Now I switch to lixada 500ml pot with 80-110gr canister, gsi pinnacle stove. Its really light and serve its purpose (in single mode). But when it comes to family camp, ofc I'll have my cooking set (750 pot and 250 fry pan) with 230gr canister.
I have a system of a nano fire box and a Trangia winter stove and sea to summit xpots n pans. I like the tea kettle and the x mug because they get so flat.
Great advice! Thank you for making these videos! The jetboil system is amazing but it's expensive, I'm probably looking for something with a little more all-around use.
Great job as always! I'm going to check out at least that collapsible cup!
Great video. It's good to the different options available. Thanks and stay safe.
Thanks for the upload mate, i love the Evernew dx stand with Evernew 500ml or 900ml if im going super light i use the Evernew cross stand and burner with the Evernew windsheild and it all fits in either the 500 or 900ml titanium pots. Light as anything i think youde like the dx stand mate its got a super quick burn time for boiling water super light and super compact. Thanks again for the upload mate.
I have 2 systems I currently use, both near identical to yours Paul with a Pocket Rocket 2 instead of the Soto. I love my JB however, for lighter solo/long distance hikes, I use the home made lighter set-up.
For multi day hiking I have GSI halulite with brs3000. For overnight camping I like Trangia 27. With gas attachment when I plan to do any frying(alco soots pan but not kettle/pot) 220g butane for summer use, with adapter.
I take the Trangia 27 when going with my OH. Has everything we need. My solo stuff wouldn't do for two people.
Treated myself to the exact setup a few weeks ago, I added the MSR universal stand aswell 👌🏻
I have the Soto amicus and I love it! I wasn’t as concerned about wind resistance since I mostly stay in the huts (NZ), so I went smaller, lighter, cheaper. And got a 2 piece pot that fits the full system. Nearly identical to yours to be honest. Cheers
What setup do you have for the amicus?
I built up a set with the totes titanium like u mentioned bought a bit everytime a cheque come in
Good to see some Messner mojo Paul. I take a NATO hex stove as a backup and pretty much the same Toaks setup as you. I’ve started to take a backup because I’ve found the Soto stove doesn’t seem to like certain types of gas canisters. Likes the little red msr ones but not the go outdoors Coleman extreme ones. I’ve found about one in five fail on the Soto but are fine on the pocket rocket.
Good video, really good pros and cons. I like the MSR pocket rocket with what ever pot is needed for cooking a meal.❤️😃
I prefer both of those, I like your setups. I use the jetboil sumo sometimes. Other times I use the jetboil 1.5 l pot with the windmaster.
great advice nice to see and hear the reasons for different bits of kit. thanks again paul nice to see your in a better place.
Whilst not as lightweight or as small I prefer to carry a compact folding stove that sits on the ground and has a short length of braided hose to connect to the gas. They sit lower out of the wind and are more stable for a larger pan - and I do love cooking a fresh bacon sarnie when out on the trail, especially in winter.
As always it's about compromise. Any decision you make has some compromise.
Hi Paul. Never bothered with the jetboil things, I got a pocket rocket sized burner that's as fast or better. Cost me far less too under £7 without gas, £11 with, weighs nowt. I use my trangia knock off more or the Bushbox.
I currently owned the oex stove I love it I like to build up my stoves and pots to which suits me best I payed in totally about £30
Great vid Paul. Glad you’re back on form again 👍 I’m looking into stove kits at the moment and then you throw the “DIY spanner” in the works!! Back to the drawing board methinks 😇 👍👍
Really well put together video
Paul keep with the reviews. It's up to each person if they want to buy the items you review.
Great video Paul. I have a self build system similar to yours but using the alpkit kraku stove or a pocket stove. I've added a silicone lip protector which means I can drink a brew straight from the pot when I'm feeling really lazy. This all sits in a home made cosy which allows me to cook then keep the pot warm whilst I eat or soak a meal. Great to see you back on form with the videos. All the best.
Thanks Paul very information. I like the customized set-up
A most excellent and instructive vlog, thanks Paul! Keep ‘em coming mate 👍🏼☺️
Going to buy the 750 pot
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excellent Paul, just i did and can swop stuff in or out depending on what you need - how's the Buffalo going? Just waiting for my McNair mountain shirt
Great comparison Paul. Very informative video 😁🙋♀️
Thanks for this Paul. Keep the videos coming too, I find them invaluable and I only really camp when out on my bike for an overnighter or two.
Thanks Paul a great video…very informative 🦋
Loving the videos. Feels like you've got a new lease of life. Really happy for you Paul.
Great vid, Paul! Nothing to add. Same concept works well while hiking a section of PCT. Met a lot of brit hikers all ages. Have you hiked PCT? Or ever consider PCT hike?
Great video Paul yeah both options have their benefits and drawbacks but yeah think the self build won that one slightly
Still use my mo from time to time but find when back packing light ,it takes up a lot of space in a small pack ,so I tend to always carry my pr2 and lixada 550ti mug ,does everything I need the jet boil to do
I had thr Primus eta lite and hated it, for the last few years ive used the soto windmaster with the alpkit myti 900 pot, same cup as you love it
Good, solid and practical review Paul, like it.
I've always been a build-as-you-go kind of guy, so I'm definitely in favour of what you've described here.
Definitely the customised. Pocket rocket or alcohol burner and Trangia
Definitely the made up set for me but I think you really need some sort of wind break. I use use some thick aluminium ‘foil’ which folds flat. Also use a flint and steel as I don’t trust a lighter especially if wet. Great review. Keep up the eod work 👍
I like both systems. The main reason I’m not down with Jetboil is they generally use aluminum. They also tend to use nonstick teflon. Both are a no-go for me. Otherwise, great systems. Ridiculously fast boil times!
The Windmaster is a stove I have my eye on. Do I need it? Not really. My Snow Peak is a far lighter and far more compact stove.
With that said, I’m tending toward White Gas stoves these days. Specifically the Svea 123r.
My Vango stove failed me the last time I went camping in the woods, just wouldn't open the canister valve, so I've just got myself the Windmaster. Its a cracking stove. I've also just sent for a 420ml titanium pot to go with the 750ml pot I've had for a while to make a more versatile system. I've got so many stove options now (including the Trangia 27 with gas adapter and Aldi Trangia 25 clone) I can pick and choose depending on where I'm going and how I'm getting there. Don't forget (i've you've seen the message I sent you) gig at the Rose House Walkley on Saturday from 3pm if you aren't sat on a mountain of course. Would give you some alternative content to show LOL.
Good point that any gas valve or canister could fall basically so always have a backup or other form of heating/cooking.
Would it be possible to swap out the spoon for a spork? This is so much information coming at me.
Nice set up Paul !! That was nice showing making your own stove setup !!
If you don’t mind me asking, what Db. Setting do you record on on your mic system? Thanks and keep up the great videos !!
Hey Paul.... Great content. I have a great system based off a Stanley cook set. I can fit my stove and lantern inside and it nestles inside a stainless pint mug for the much rewarded step 2. Not very light but a very satisfying pack size for short distances.
A fantastic video. I do airsoft milsim and space and weight are important
Fire Maple 1 liter heat exchanger pot 180g @ $23
Fire Maple titanium remote stove 75g @ $35
Excellent combination
There is no heat loss and when you burn it at a low flame the gas usage is minimal
It is very stable and easy to use in a tent vestibule in poor weather
Great little vid Paul👍🏻… my set up is more or less as yours is but with the pocket rocket stove, over the years it’s one of those kit items I’ve grown to love & wouldn’t be with or swap out👍🏻 I’ve just recently purchased a 1tlr fire maple pot with the heat exchanger & early trials with the pocket rocket seem to get incredible boil times…. Don’t know if I can discard my original 750 titanium pot though 🙈😂 why do we fall in love with kit like this??🤣🤣
Cheers buddy take care & keep em coming
Great informative video as always Paul. I have a jetboil flash, also the alpkit Krakau but since I got a stormin Norman cone for my msr titan kettle I don't use anything else. It is efficient on meths, it's quiet, I find meths easier to get hold of and there is nothing really that can go wrong with it. It's all personal taste and I appreciate that but it's alcohol all the way for me.