Lies, Deception, and ProJared - The Story of ProJared
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- ProJared has had a very typical rise, a heavy contrast to how his channel collapse in less than 48 in 2019, as fast as it happened it was forgotten and many are still unaware to the full extent of the chaos, in this video we will attempt to capture it all.
Twitter: / joontheking1 (@joontheking1)
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00:00 - Intro
1:35 - Early Jared & Screw Attack
20:27 - ProJared's channel truly begins
26:33 - Get's married & establishes friend group
31:30 - The divorce brings chaos
35:20 - Accusations that ruined his image
37:17 - The internet Dunking on Jared
45:52 - Jared responds
47:17 - Chaos continues
53:24 - You've been lied to
1:07:05 - The reaction
1:17:16 - Conclusion
Correction #1 Screw Attack never contracted the Nostalgia Critic.
Correction #2 The decision to buy the game store was not an impulsive decision it was an emotional one.
You might have mistaken ProJared for the AVGN.
ScrewAttack contracted the AVGN James Rolfe for two videos a month.
Were you tempted to title this: The RISE and FALL and RISE again of projared
@@Sonicfalcon16 HONESTY
What did happen 4 months ago after his StarTropics vid? he always had 200k+ then 100k than 70k now 40k avg over days to now.
34:58 uh-oh
Stories like this is why I'm convinced the online drama scene is a kind of blood sport for modern times. At the very least, it plays to out baser instincts of wanting to see people engage in a very public confrontation that will likely not end well for at least one of them, if not all of them.
It absolutely is a blood sport as evidenced by how many UA-cam commentators didn’t even question how correct any of the accusations were and just piled on the abuse and harassment
Hi Dale
@@theactualTVB Joseph's father, I presume?
The ProJared drama, to me, opened the eyes that 90% of drama is BS, and you basically should ask “But did you file a police report for that?” before even contemplating forming an opinion.
It's hardly limited to the internet. The internet just amplifies the noise and intensity of these kinds instincts toward cruelty humans can have. You see someone better off than you fall, some people get the urge to kick them while they're down, just because you've got an opening. It's definitely worse in the online space though. Here's the thing, that said, none of these online commentators are professional in any sense, they have no code of conduct to adhere to, no standard of behaviour. If punching down gets you those clicks and makes you money, they'll do it.
This is such a huge case of drama that shouldve stayed private. Imagine if your breakup drama was being broadcasted on the internet, becoming popcorn entertainment to random people.
Truer words have never been spoken.
Hearing "the tea is cold" made me so angry.
Granted it was ProJared's own fault for posting the first story and blocking her. Had he not done either, this whole thing wouldn't have blown up as negatively as it did
@@manporo5865 Nah it was actually Heidei that broke the news first on Facebook which held many of projared's family and friends.
@@Hitoshuratdn it is literally mentioned on the video that Jared talked first...
When ProJared released his rebuttal video he said something that made me feel really bad. He said that nobody came to him to listen his version and he looked empty and depressed, I saved that video since it has been unlisted since quite a while now
Yeah. The only person who really defended him was PBG, who then got bullied into apologizing for defending him
That is the big takeaway, don't judge the outcome before all cards are on the table. And for the love of Ramuh, death threats only make people look worse so do not do that.
PBG is the definition of a true friend. I think he stopped because they mustve had some kind of deal so he didnt get dragged down as well.@@Jaydakin
You want to know something funny? The people that gathered all the hard evidence in his favor, the people who proved through countless hours of pixel measurements and pishing that he was in fact innocent of the accusations… yeah, that was the so called Internet Hate Machine Kiwifarms, who started out being very much against him by the way.
It took me until this happened to learn this lesson
Ethan making fun of how anyone looks is peak irony.
He makes fun of himself all the time
@@bummerfriend As a shield. His self-insults are tame compared to the vitriol he launches at others.
who is ethan?
@@bloosheee h3h3productions
@@bummerfriend That in no way makes it okay or changes ops point on the irony... Ethan is pure SCUM!
a reminder: having a poly/open relationship or having a child will NOT fix your relationship.
especially having poly/open - it is just avoiding divorce and securing low-hanging resources under pretence of "exploring" or "spirituality" (whatever these buzzwords mean in modern Twitter/Tiktok vocabulary)
Poly just doesnt work
You also can’t make a long-term poly relationship monogamous nor make a long-term monogamous relationship poly.
@@GrayFox_74 Meh if you kind of like spending time with someone but fuck around, it works as you aren’t invested in it. Many people do this on the sly and just cheat, being poly is at least ethical.
@@GrayFox_74I’ll never understand this mindset, as if poly relationships are just impossible to maintain.
As opposed to the monogamous ones, more than 50% of which end in divorce?
As someone who followed Jared through it all back when he was on Screwattack, I remember the drama was insane in 2019 and I waited to see what Jared was gonna do...And...He lawyered up, got the receipts, and actually did a great job to prove his case....too bad the internet didn't want to even listen...
Yeah he was really beaten up about it and I am glad I stuck by him and waited cause those reciepts really proved He is just a guy who was dragged through the mud. I am glad he keeps making video's and enjoys himself again.
Edit :And I hate how Arin fucking treated him. Immidiatly acting like Jared was never a friend and deleting everything they had done togheter.
@@jervistetchMadHater never really liked Arin all that much anyway. He’s such a jerk.
The thing is
He really didn't talk about the nude photos he send to unsuspecting minors, mostly it was about all the legal troubles involving his wife ( which she had the righ to he mad about ) while ignoring the terrible and illegal stuff out of the way
( people are happy because some were there for how his marriage would end, I honestly was mad that most people forgot about how he took advantage of his fans )
@@xXSoulGeoXx if i remember correctly it was adressed? I think the incident your referring was when minors snuck in a NSFW space jared set up for him and his fans that were 18+ which people posted their nudes on. I think those minors went on to claim Jared specifically sent them nudes but i think they admitted this to be a lie or was proven to be a lie
@@xXSoulGeoXx What? Jared did the opposite. His response was mainly about the allegations with minors because he has the most to lose legally in that scenario. And it's pretty clear he had no idea who these people were and it seemed they were just trying to latch onto the scandal
I saw a picture recently that PBG posted of him with Jared. Peebs just seemed concerned for a friend and wasn't sure wtf was happening. Glad to see they're on good terms.
so much shit was happening all at once when first started, i dont know what happened but i remember people got really pissed at PBG during it for some reason
@@TheAfker PBG was refusing to join the mob and go after Jared. A tweet went viral after the accusations were someone claimed something about Jared being a child predator or sex pest, and PBG replied “that ain’t it chief”. And PBG never openly cut ties with him.
@@TheAfkerPBG was one of if not the only person who came forward and suggested that people wait for all the facts to come out before passing judgment. Of course the mob would drag him hard.
Peebs is a really good friend
@@MegaBoneface Yeah everyone who had videos with Jared pulled them all except PBG and I think that most if not all still haven't put them back up.
Part of what made his response video so legendary to me to this day is how usually those type of videos start with a somber mood, and a while to get to the topic with awkward sentences and filler.
Jared's response video literally started with "Hey, what's up? *Anyway;"* it always felt like such a power move that he just starts it making his point almost immediately rather than try to paint himself as a sympathetic victim.
Really made the phrase "I have the receipts" into one of the most badass claims in recent history.
Pro-tip: if someone ever claims to not give a shit about others’ physical appearances that are out-of-control, just take a look at how they talk about the people they don’t like, then you’ll see how virtuous they truly are
I hate the "they're a bad person so it's okay" mentality. If they're truly hateful, they're not gonna give a shit what you say, and are just gonna keep continuing to be so. Insulting their appearance does nothing to take down their character or their beliefs, and is likely only going to upset someone you actually DO care about.
@@flatwoodsdaemon It's the same way I feel about being racist to a racist. You're still hurting hurtful language with the intent to cut down another person, thus giving those words power in the first place, as well as harming anyone else from the racist's background. It's cruel, vicious, thoughtless, and childish bordering on infantile.
I think we been given enough pro tips from Projared pic leaks for one generation
What if I hate everyone equally, and don't pretend I'm a good person.
exactly, 100% of this, that's that old saying if you want to see how wrong your religion is ask someone from a different one. or If you want to know how nice your spouse is, just see how they treat their parents. Sorry not wanting to be political, but the internet is a cesspool of shit like ideas and mob mentallity it's ridiculous.
I always hated people making fun of his looks instead of what he did. And when I realized he didn't really do anything then things got even worse feeling
that's always how it goes
oh definitely the worst part. I remember that most from h3h3 shitting on him for looking "as pathetic as possible" in his return video when his ENTIRE LIFE had just fallen apart cause a few clout chasing people lied about their age to destroy his career and build a new one off it, like a tree getting invaded and ruined by mistletoe, he did all the work for them to reap the reward. I doubt a single soul on this planet would be able to handle that and not look like a wreck after
@@glasshorse6893 Plus I always found it funny that H3 said this stuff. Mr. "Gym is a waste of time" could and has also been made fun of just like ProJared, which I'm sure didn't make him feel good. But if done on others? Nah it's funny then.
While I did add my drop in the bucket of hate at the time (And I realize I was wrong), even then I never really got the hate on his looks. I always thought (and still do think) he looks pretty okay. I won't say he looks super gorgeous but he doesn't look ugly either. He just looks pretty okay. Like average or slightly above average to me.
He did share nudes though
He defended himself about the 2 minors
But that doesn't change the fact that his nudes were public in a blog full of his fans ( which honestly is creepy, and he should had known that at least )
I kinda admire Jared. He had his scandal, owned his mistakes, proved the receipts.. and he hasn't given up. I respect that.
True. I do hope he has found peace with everything. The stigma is still around and he probably still gets harrased.
But at least the fans that still support him hopefully give him strength to keep doing what he is doing 😊
I don’t feel too bad for him. He reveled when his former friend got internet heat. He subsequently has endorsed other forms of harassment against other people. Didn’t learn a damn thing from the whole ordeal
what do you mean had his scandal, the scandal was literally fake
@@jacklee8467 it's why I'm convinced that his proof was fake somehow, the real giveaway was when he started bemoaning "cancel culture" and was going full reactionary during said debunking.
Jared hasn't uploaded since April 2023 and people are still accusing him from that video's comments.
Peanut Butter Gamer had the best take from day 1, no throwing Jared under the bus, just him saying "This ain't it chief" to Jared's ex.
He sure did and he was also proven right in the end when ProJared released his response video.
She totally convinced herself that Jared was 100% the cheater... (open relationship blah blah)based on angry conservative chuds that showed up to defend her just because they wanted to take down Jared. Only then did she realize that she was in the wrong.
Never listen to the right. Even if they tell you that the sky is blue, you verify. Now she knows.
I think the part that pisses me off the most is that little to nobody apologized & it's no secret that to this day it's still something that affecting his channel.
They got egg in their face and they’d rather die on their hill than admit they were wrong. H3H3 comes to mind and Arin had always been a difficult guy to to keep a friendship with online, the amount of people who left Game Grumps after Jon’s departure vs Chris O’Neil’s says it all.
@@rayvenkman2087 Who is Chris O Neil? And really, Arin is known as being a hard guy to get along with?
Heidi is a compulsive lier and manipulator Jared is no better but Heidi is worse she lied to destroy Jared's career out of spite and keep on lying and not telling the whole truth I have a feeling she's the real threat here personally I don't trust anything she says because all her statements have proven to be false
@@Spider-Fan006 "jared is no better but heidi is worse"
@@nothingsacred8684 Way too late but Chris is OneyNG, he was featured in many videos and even had his own show Doodle Doods in the channel with Ross, not familiar with the drama that happened there but i know i stopped watching the channel after he left
The "I have the receipts" quote is still one of the most legendary things to come out of this drama. It was like a fucking finisher move, it was wild. I remember so many memes using it sprouting up at the time.
absolutely based
Dude I got chills hearing that
It felt like something fresh out of Phoenix Wright.
Jeremy Hambly was the first to apologize, tbh.
If it's any consolation... As of November 2022, Heidi is broke, single and running a failing craft business. Karma bites back.
Notably, Jared and Holly broke up that same month.
Good, she seem like an aweful person
awesome 😎
That makes me happy that red headed psycho B!+(# got what she deserved for destroying Jared
Good. Glad to hear it
I remember Lindsay Ellis said in a tweet or video or something once how people on the internet aren’t satisfied with interpersonal conflict being JUST about a shitty thing. Everyone wants to make a definitive moral judgement. Personally I think there was probably some shitty stuff that Jared did,but I also don’t think he’s a pedophile. People have messy relationships sometimes. Sometimes good people do huge damage to each other, and nobody comes out of that acting “rational “. God, people’s online are gonna lose it when they hear about fleetwood mac…
of course lindsay probably said that when it happened to her, all the while revelling in similar cancellation of her peers before that
Yeah unfortunately to prove his innocence he had to basically say I'm kinda a piece of shit but I'm not a pedophile
I want us all to take a moment to bask in the irony of Lindsay Ellis saying this, considering she had absolutely no issues supporting cancel culture in the past when it suited her political opinions.
@@darthgamer9861 not saying your lying, but do you have a source? i'm assuming it's one of those "cancel culture doesn't exist, until something i like gets cancelled* type stance
Interesting take. That exact mindset has shifted over to the AI argument funny enough.
I swear, there was a trend in the mid-to-late 2000’s where there was so many sitcoms based around gaming culture online.
Name one
@@AnonYmous-wm6wq There was a nickeloden show around this time, that Projared was actually on for a few episodes.
@@VenomSnakeMGS that was in like 2011 or 2012 lol "gaming culture" being popular in media started around the 2010s for sure
@@AnonYmous-wm6wq Game shakers was one from nickelodeon and gamers guide were two sitcoms about video games from Nick. They were both fucking horrible though. Disney also had a trend of making shows about video games and UA-camrs playing them
Sitcoms...? No there wasn't... 😅
In hindsight, this is truly a situation where nobody came off looking good, including the audience that watched it all play out.
Not if you were fair/neutral. The cancel mobs and Heidi and Charlie are the real scumbags.
These people knew what they were doing and each side was trying to stir up the audience to side with them. If they didn't want to cause drama, they should keep their degeneracy and private affairs to themselves.
i just quietly stopped watching him and started again when he proved his innocence
I never gave up on Projared. I waited for the flames to settle and the facts to come in. Sadly this situation costed him so many subs and I don't know of he'll recover to a million again but only time will tell
What a cop out: his ex came out as deceitful and his buddies from "Normal Boots" as backstabbers.
The fact that he got fired before the shit show known as rooster teeth stepped in automatically makes him the luckiest man alive
My poor sister was a huge fan of Dice, Camera, Action - another DND podcast that starred Jared and Holly. It was DMed by Chris Perkins and sponsored by Wizards of the Coast. The show was cancelled because of the drama at the halfway point before any of the characters could be resolved.
Yeah that’s one of things that hurts the most. A beloved web series was canceled due to the false allegations and there’s nothing any of us can say and/or do to bring it back. 😭💔
I miss the waffle crew so much
Same I really loved DCA I miss it so much
just from jareds point of view, imagine you get bullied and harassed and slandered so heavily that you lose a spot on the FUCKIN D&D LIVEPLAY. i just wanna give this guy a hug, and i definitely bring him up when people say cancel culture doesn't exist or that "collateral damamge here is fine because the collateral is usually white dudes so who gives a shit?"
The Waffle Crew was even supposed to be in Baldur's Gate 3. I remember them mentioning having done some voice acting for the game. But when the drama happened, and the show got cancelled, they got removed from the game.
At least, through Holly, we know that they're still playing together, just off camera.
The incident taught me first how I should not trust even my eyes and alerted me that there are people who no matter how much you hang out with them, they will want your fall and will work to destroy you just for fame.
It was a learning point for me too. Although I knew to wait for his side of the story, I waited for so long that I took his silence as an admission of guilt. Lo and behold, it took just a bit longer for that to come out. Learned that things aren't always what it seemed and just to wait a bit before rendering judgment, a lesson that came in handy for a completely different situation later on.
Yeah I jumped the gun on this situation too. It was the first time I judged early, and I'm glad Jared was able to come back from this
@@RisingPhoenix05 honestly dude it’s refreshing as hell to see people admit they made a mistake with stuff like this. Big respect to you, sir.
I wound up feeling guilty for siding with the mob at the time when it all went down, I recently re-subscribed back to Porjared despite watching the debunking video when he released it. Took some time to reflect but in truth he deserved better and we were all fools for not believing him.
I was also part of the bandwagon. I remember that I was in an airport when I was looking over Twitter and saw that the whole thing. I did the usual as well as unsubbing from him and joining the bash crew.
Then when his video came out, I listened to it and resubbed to him. I'm still subbed to this day because I do enjoy his content.
ProJared handled this PERFECTLY. You don't rise to the bait. You stay quiet, gather your case and once the knee-jerk screeching has passed, you dump the facts on people calmly.
what disappoints me the most is the existence of that stupid tumblr. The fact Charlie was asked if they're 18+ and the answer "yes I am" is a perfect example why that shit's dangerous. If Jared never had the dumb idea to open up a page for sharing nudes, nobody would've cared because the divorce stuff ultimately is none of anyone's business. I mean they both fucked up their relationship and finally settled on separating. end of story.
Who's going to give him back the year of torture he had to endure, tho?
@@The_Catman He's made millions over the course of his career, I think he'll be okay. He didn't get doxxed or swatted or probably anything beyond rando threats in his DM's which every content creator gets. We literally have dozens of cases around the internet where we can see it all could have gone so much worse for him. Where he's at right now is literally the best case scenario when you're put on the other end of a cancel campaign.
@@DrkRyu It definitely is pretty cringe when people try to pull this internet rockstar stuff. There's literally no legitimate way to filter out minors without actually asking for pictures of their IDs. If you don't do that then you're basically accepting to yourself you may or may not see underage stuff and I guess you're just okay with that, which has some pretty gross implications. Like his ex said in the video, I don't think he's a predo or anything...but he legitimately just rationalized it by thinking "Eh if they're 17 or 16, big whoop". He's not so stupid as to think everyone who messaged him will be an adult on a site you have to be 13 to join.
@@Deadflower20xx His penis literally went all around the world and will always be one google search from everyone's eyes.
All of us know personal details of his intimacy nver MEANT to be public.
No amount of money will ever pay your mental health back.
The fact that it usually goes even worse is THE PROBLEM, not a mitigation.
Heidi:"i want to sleep with someone else"
Jared:"ok, so will i"
Heidi:"wait no...."
A classic tale.
The users that made up all the lies about ProJared on Twitter were also wrapped up in the UK UA-cam community as I recognised the usernames. They’d send incendiary replies and tweets to myself and friends and when this all blew up it felt like they finally got the attention they wanted but very glad it blew up in their faces.
That situation was one of the most infuriating cancellations I've ever seen, really went to show what a cesspool Twitter is and how easily most UA-camrs will throw aside their morals if it means making a few extra bucks. I will never understand how people get so much joy out of dog piling on others and seeing their lives destroyed.
The thing is though, Jared created this situation as much as anyone. He had a nude blog where he didn't age verify ANYONE. He trusted the honor system. But if you look at his content, it'd be impossible to think he doesn't have a good chunk of children fans who are easily influenced. He was always going to end up getting or sending nudes to a minor because of how he operated. He got incredibly lucky that the minors he DID get nudes from, lied to him. But there is a key element here, he DID get nudes from minors. Showing just how bad his age verification was. And if he didn't think he could age verify, he probably should not have put himself into that position at all.
Jared is the reason everyone saw his cock, and Jared is the reason he was even in a position these accusations could be made against him. He isn't exactly innocent, he just isn't a predator. But his neglect is equally as dangerous, and I hope he learned a lesson from this. Because I can't bleach the sight of his cock from my brain.
I mean some of them do get swept up, and genuinely fall for this shit too, they’re also human after all…
@@cosmicspacething3474 True they are, but at the same time you'd think the phrases "Don't jump to conclusions" and "Wait till all the facts are out" would cross many of their minds.
@@cosmicspacething3474 What the comment above this one said. They saw an opportunity for content and took it. Difference is, they did what a lot of other people did, except they're a little worse because their word carries. Good on PewDiePie for not buying into it completely and sticking to his guns.
Most youtubers are narcissistic a holes you who get addicted to attention. Especially in the drama youtuber side.
I won't pretend that I haven't always thought he looked goofy AF but holy shit am I surprised at how many of the prominent drama channels covering this to went STRAIGHT at that low hanging fruit. They even went as far as bringing the appearances of the women involved into it. Huge fuckin' yikes, hopefully they realize how cringe they were in hindsight.
Critikal said he looked like a blob of melted mayo left out in the sun with nipples on it, or something like that. It was hilarious, but went way to far
Yeah I feel like exclusively insulting what someone looks like hurts your argument a lot
They won't. The mob never admits that it was wrong, it simply moves on to another target, and pretends the previous incident didn't occur.
It was accepted fact he was the worst of the worst so making fun of his appearance was fine maybe even a just mild punishment that nobody minds, when someone has been put in that position the rules no longer apply and if something bad happens to them it is even celebrated, mob mentality is a scary thing makes its target the whipping boy against whom venting our anger and hatred is not only permitted but it is a just thing that is encouraged while cooler heads risk becoming themselves targets too so they stay mostly silent.
And it's so weird bc to me at least he isn't even unattractive? He's a little skrunkly but he isn't ugly? And even if he was why would it even matter?
I see this as a Rise, Fall, and Rise again of Jared rather than a fall.
He's enjoying what he's doing, he's happier than he was, and his content is still good.
I will never understand how folks will make themselves out as perfect and better than Jared enough to attack him.
well put
he didn't fall, he rose
is he as popular as before? no, he isn't
but he got away from drama, and it seems to have a much healthier life
fame isn't everything, good on him
i usually ask those who attack if they like the taste of windex since they be licking windows all day.
@Mellissa Boomer of the Night still freaking out about age gaps? i've a long term relationship with a woman old enough to be my aunt, and ooh, boy, she loves it from behind! FOH with that bullshit. as long as the ADULTS [18+] agree to ADULT[18+] things, let them ADULT [Do-- You guessed it-- 18+Things]!
@Mellissa Boomer of the Night Don't most people like being adored?
The ProJared saga was a wild ride. Bro literally sat out the entire drama train until it stopped moving, then he jumped out of nowhere and derailed the train with ease. His refrain showed a real maturity that most people wouldn't've had under the same circumstances.
What I’m taking from Heidi is
“I got to fuck a bunch of dudes when I wanted to but Jared wasn’t allowed to talk to another woman without my consent”
Sorry but she’s definitely not a victim
What I took from this: Jared could have said no to Holly and yet he chose to sleep with his friends wife.
I am happy his channel didn't recover, Ross is a national treasure.
@@sebastiantafoya3609 No from what I understand they were no longer married at that point, so it wasn’t him sleeping with someone’s wife.
Maybe make sure you actually know what you’re talking about before talking about how happy you are someone’s livelihood is much worse off.
What I got was that he violated perimeters of their relationship. You can still cheat in a poly relationship. She withdrew her consent after that.
Yeah she's a very clear abuser, she really didn't suffer any backlash for trying to manipulate Jared
@@LangkeeLongkee classic woman take
Man... it sure would be great to see at ScrewAttack video done by Joon. Anyone else interested?
Make it happen.
I second this
I would love this
Lets go Craig!
Amen. Make it happen, cap'n!
I definitely think ProJared's story was a watershed moment in UA-cam drama. It was one of the first big examples of a UA-camr successfully recouping a significant amount of their credibility and social standing, as opposed to simply digging their own grave deeper. His online presence may be permanently diminished; and it's hard to say if that's due to regular burn out, or lingering stigma from the initial incident, or both; but I do feel like his tragic downfall was a major turning point that made people more critical, more skeptical, and more rational when it came to these kinds of controversies and accusations. Obviously, I wish it hadn't cost him so much, but there's a silver lining, and I think that's important.
And in a weird way, he was proven to be a decent guy. If he did actually abuse his fans or had explicit interactions with minors online, the victims would have had all the incentive and confidence to come out and expose him for it.
Most of the people that worked with him before still refuse to feature him on their channel even if he features them on his.
Yeah, but then you've got people like Vic Mignona who still seem to be having a tough go of it.
Have you considered that the reason why his internet presence is diminished may be cause of the things he admited were true ?
He was making groups with fans to share nudes and to a lot of people thats just too weird.
Yes he didnt abuse minors and the cheating thing is dubious but even if those allegations were never msde his career would be damaged when people liked the pictures of him masturbating in a salor moon costume
He’s kaput.
1:07:55 got me crying. It's like his whole life was destroyed for months, and then, through all the horrible stuff the internet put him through. He got his life back. Really makes me feel incredibly happy for him
Same.
"How do I address this entire scandal in a way that people ignore my horrible verification system that would make anyone think I expected/wanted minors to lie and join
@@angelirizarry2666 When the most established and professional porn sites just have a "are you over 18? Y/N?" or "input date of birth, we'll trust it" why are you holding anyone else to a higher standard? What was Jared's alternative? Ask people to dox themselves? Even then, fake IDs are used by underaged people to get into pubs etc & in that case we're right back to what happened anyway.
none of that happened if he wouldnt abuse his fans to factilitate nude photographs which is very wierd and creepy in itself
@@zawarudo1041 How was he abusing his fans? The fans who posted know what they were doing. Using fame to get nudes is bad, I'm not going to argue with you on that. But, Jared wants to express himself in a way where OnlyFans didn't exist yet. Fans wanted to express back so he let them, as consenting adults. Which again, using fame to get nudes is bad, but to call that abuse is assuming he wants pictures of minors and I personally do not think so given the evidence, even Hidie said so herself. That's my view on it.
Basically every criticism against him had the same source "just trust me bro"
Really a disgusting situation and shame on all the people who lied to try and get their thirty seconds in the spotlight and also shame on everyone who took all those lies at face value without a shred of evidence.
Peanut Butter Gamer (Austin) is the definition of a real friend. Immediatly jumps to defend his bro, and even when everyone tells him he is wrong for doing it, he still only steps back enough to say "well, let's wait for Jared's response before we all judge him as guilty"
So True.
The only big name in all this who didn’t come out of the saga looking terrible.
except he even lied to Austin as Austin defended Jared by saying there was no way he would share nudes with fans.
@@stoves5877 or he didnt tell him to begin with. Im sure he didnt go around telling his friends about his sex life
@@JamestheKilljoy this was like 2 days after everything happened.
"projared and conjared" made me laugh more than it should have
The funniest thing in this video is seeing that Rabbid Luigi called Jared a gremlin when he himself is not particularly good-looking either. Really shows how quickly people will put down another just to raise themselves up a peg
Damn I used to watch rabbidluigi since he was in 240p. Didn’t know he resorted to petty insults
who the hell is that I seen the name and got confused as hell lol
@@YEETUSDAFEETUS same lol who tf has a name called rabbid luigi? Not surprising the person behind it resort to insulting other people's looks lmao
Yeah, kinda sounds like he was projecting much.
British person commenting on someone else's look is hilarious. Even funnier when you look at the ham planet he married. What a freak.
I only became aware of the controversy when seeing Jared’s video “you’ve been lied to”. Because I would actively check for new uploads from him. I really enjoyed his content. After hearing his side. I looked at as much of the rest as I could. And I gotta say, his sex life is none of my concern. His marriage isn’t either (provided we wasn’t actually abusive). It sounds like a horrible break up and I’m glad he got through it.
Sad thing is, this still isn't the whole story. Charlie and Chai were friends with two women who admitted in all the initial drama that they had catfished and blackmailed Jared, telling him to pay them or they'd release his nudes. (And yes, there is proof of all this.) The catfishers publically bragged about routinely catfishing and blackmailing men, and Charlie was a member of this group, all of whom, catfishers and Charlie, are cosplayers like Heidi. Charlie lives very near Jared and Heidi, is a cosplayer, and another friend of theirs, also a cosplayer, is posing with Heidi and calls Heidi her idol. All of this was set up by people who knew Heidi.
@@GameFreak2467 Yes.
@@annienunyabiz6627 may we have it?
So everyone is terrible in this situation, got it.
This is not proven whatsoever.
@@noahbarnhartandit2365 yeah because he fabricated those texts. Lmfao.
I think this is an important lesson in "Evidence does not equal Fact." This is something that is lost on the mob mentality and gets sadly drowned out when drama like this crops up. While evidence is an important factor in establishing Fact, it cannot become Fact without it being heavily scrutinized. Folks take things at face value too easily, I myself have fallen prey to this as well.
I hope those folks that threw wood onto ProJared's burning at least came out of this better able to scrutinize information that's presented to them.
I'll never understand why people jumped on the pedophilia shit as quick as they did, it's like the first allegation anyone would think of to make a situation sound worse than it is. Not to say that it's always fake, unfortunately it's pretty common to hear that about UA-cam drama. It's still just not the majority, or it turns out to be under false pretenses
@@TheNormeShow I mean there was pretty hard evidence backing up the accusations, I do think people should have waited to see/hear Jared's side of the story though
They wont. Prepare yourself for the years to come and isolate as much as you healthily can. Western society aka American is headed toward a great decline
@@Linkophere Eh, I disagree. It seems people are getting tired of this attitude, and a majority of people seem to acknowledge how awful twitter is.
Even worse, you even have people that expect we simply "Believe All Women".
The ProJared situation hammered home how important taking the "wait and see what all sides show and tell" first is to true critial thinking
Here's the problem with Heidi's response. She lied at the beginning. She came out of the gate with malice and the intent of making Jared look as bad as possible with "TODAY I LEARNED MY EX-HUSBAND WAS FUCKING HOLLY BEHIND MY BACK" and then, after proof was shown of this not being true "Well, I did know about this, but I tried to make it work." You see, if she lied about that and she admited that, why should we believe anything she says? Jared and Holly put up proof of their side of the story, Heidi just has the value of her own word, and she already run it throw the mud with that first malicious lie.
Exactly.
Yep.
Forgot about this guy till this notifaction, I've watched probably every single one of his old style review videos I loooooved them
When that scandal happened everyone heard about it lmao. My little sister who doesn't watch any channels like that had already heard about it the same day I mentioned it.
Didn't expect to see you here
Notification*
His new reviews are really good too esp the final fantasy ones
@@doordasher7095 Dude is good when he's reviewing RPGs (mostly), not that great with everything else.
His rebuttal video is legendary. He absolutely wrecked everyone with evidence. Biggest turn around I’ve seen on UA-cam. Definitely showed how jumping on the angry mob bandwagon is just plain stupid.
This just shows how fucked the internet really can be.
He didnt tho , sure he debunked some allegations... doesnt change the fact that he did create fan groups to send nudes...
The moment the pics of him masturbating in a sailor moon costume were leaked his career was damaged forever
Not only internet. There are many cases of people getting lynched (sometimes to death) just to be found innocent afterwards. And for some reason, people still act like the person accused is somehow guilty of something. The stigma remains. I won't lie, I don't think about it all the time, but this is a big fear of my life.
After all, Jared had the RECEIPTS.
then why did he admit what he did was wrong and he apologized for taking advantage of his fans?
@@stoves5877 Lets see the list of accusations that the internet simply ran with
Cheated on his wife = proved false
Knowingly creeped on underage fans = proved false
Running a discord server to exchange sexual content = true and evidence shown that 18+ was a prerequisite & participation was strictly voluntary.
So if you did meme on Jared during that time and now still want to feel like you were right, go ahead and take that little w where Jared changed his stance on the 18+ discord.
Should be called, "rise, fall, and rise again." Jared did what many on the internet couldn't and he came back better than ever IMO.
no he didnt rise. he's still a creep for exchanging nudes with fans. wtf
we'll make that video when he passes 1 million again,
I had a friend who was a big fan of ProJared, I was unfamiliar with him myself. When all this went down I felt a little bad because I thought my friend might feel betrayed, but we lost contact for unrelated reasons. I hope he held out and remains a fan.
I actually met ProJared when I was working at a movie theater. I was working the concession stand and he came up. I talked to him and said, "You look like ProJared" and he said, "I get that a lot." Eventually he told me it was him. It was hilarious lol.
Cap
Tony Hawk moment.
ProJared's drama was actually the reason why I am always so doubtful of any accusation. I blindly went against him and felt stupid later.
Yet in the time since numerous other YTers have been credibly outed as creeps
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Creeps existing does not mean one should not still wait on the burden of proof before passing judgement.
@@wsx3268 It also means you don't automatically suspect fraud either
You've matured a little, that is a good thing that came from all of this.
I did the same thing once, I don't even remember what the controversy was anymore, but I ended up being on the wrong end and felt like a huge a-hole.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 doubting isn't assuming fraud doubting is more caution on taking it as absolute truth it's not black and white like you seem to think
Never seen such an interesting flip, from "ugh, yet another big UA-camr cheating" to "holy shit this guy took his time to get ALL the evidence lined up instead of fall prey to internet drama"
Really inspiring tbh, mad respect gained for Jared. I do wish most people who piled onto him had come out and properly apologized, but internet drama is what it is, a race for attention then go silent when the truth comes out. Also felt really bad that *no one* reached out to him, damn.
I think peanut butter gaming did reach out
Projared's Two Worlds reviews and many of his others are so good I'll go back and watch them fairly regularly. I'd recommend them to anyone into game reviews
I think the saddest part of this is Jared still get called a cheater and struggle to even get back 900k subs when he was at a million before eveything happen
Sub count doesn't mean much.
@@insensitive919 It does, but not much
as a new subscriber of projared I hope he gets a million subs back
He does not need a million. That 888k and response prove to me he still deserves support
dude he still hasnt recovered in terms of subscribers
Part of why he didn't get back his subscribers is his lack of uploads. That said I still enjoy watching his videos every now and then
Morals of the story:
1. Keep your relationship drama off of the net
2. Don't invite fans to send and exchange nudes
3. Polyamory is probably a bad idea when you have a pre-existing LTR
4. Watch out for the snakes in the grass that calls themselves “friends”.
@@rayvenkman2087 5. Don't drink the kool-aid.
Polyamory doesn't work unless you and the other person are INSANELY mature.
@@jesuszamora6949 true true
Does it count as polyamory? Sounds like they didn't have a relationship at all after the "open" part started. Sham marriage is a better term, I think.
A Screwattack documentary would be great. Early online gaming community was awesome to be around to see.
"I want a poly marriage."
**Jared listens**
"WOW, I'M UPSET YOU'RE SEEING SOMEONE AND I DON'T LIKE IT, STOP IT NOW!"
No heros in this story, but there's a clear super villian.
Edit: Jared said a lot of, "hey, I did this, I did that," with a decent amount of evidence.
Heidi said a lot of, "he did this, he did that," with very, very little evidence.
We need to see an in depth ScrewAttack retrospective. They really revolutionized a lot of how content was produced on UA-cam. I already know Craig is down. Make it happen.
You mean rooster teeth
@@nojsageiv No, specifically ScrewAttack.
@@MilkWasABadChoice17 I understand what you said, but rooster teeth was UA-cam before UA-cam, and a few years before screw attack.
@@nojsageiv then go watch the one he did on RT. We want to see the retrospective on ScrewAttack
@@TheBtstephens I did, and screw attack
Was bought out. It’s safe to say the best thing to come out of screw attack was matpat
I'm a fan of Jared even met him twice when he came to cons in my state; absolutely sweet and funny guy, he even remembered me. It sucks that he got pushed through the wringer and I felt so bad for him. I'm happy he's still making good videos and I love his FF retrospectives recently.
Yeah I met him at a con too a little while before the allegations happened and it was genuinely like meeting an old friend
His kinect and ps move videos were hilarious back in a day.
Cosplayed with him at Onicon one year in a Final Fantasy group cosplay (he was Thief, I was Black Mage, Marzgurl was Red Mage, FirstKnight Josh was Fighter, and Heidi was a really awesome White Mage). He really was a nice guy as far as I could tell. Got a little upset when he didn’t remember who I was at SGC one year, but I’m over it now. Can’t expect him to remember a nobody like me.
@@deusprogrammer_thekingofspace I can't imagine how many faces content creators see at those cons. It sucks but don't take it personally
He still threw Jon under the bus, so I can't say I have any love for him
Jared deserves a hug tbh. Imagine your life being ruined because of lies, and knowing you can't do shit. Props to him for sticking around and redeeming himself
He sure does.
Ethan and Hila laughing over how another person looks is wild.
People hated on Jared because he fucked multiple baddies and were jealous
@@LC-iw3ll tf does that even mean? lol.
The ProJared situation really reminds me of a line from an old Simpson's episode. A joke then, but far too common in recent years.
"Your tears say more than real evidence ever could."
That entire episode aged like a fine wine.
That wasn’t just a proverb. That was a prophecy!
That wasn’t just a proverb. That was a prophecy!
@@Gestersmek Indeed. Homer Badman was ahead of its time.
Amber Heard couldn’t even manage fake tears.
I've never understood why people dogged on Holly's appearance. Like wtf, Repzion making the Gollum reference was embarrassing to see. Small thing to fixate on, I know. Just confusing. Internet mobs are weird.
All the people that made fun of her and Jared’s appearances in this thing only revealed the profound ugliness in themselves.
Worst part was Holly was cuter than Heidi tbh
@@Abomdosnow FOR REAL
@@Abomdosnow exactly, she has good features but just drew her eyebrows wrong that day
That was disgusting to watch, man. Jared getting dunk on for his looks already sucks, but what Repzion did was straight up objectifying the women in the situation, like the only thing that mattered was how they looked. But then, not surprised, just watch how people like to opinate on any relatively famous person's dating life like it's any of their business lol
Imagine how much better society would be without social media
Can you rethink this comment that you made and really rationalize how life would actually be better without social media
@@juicebox7372I don't think his wrong tbh
@@juicebox7372Did you honestly forget that live existed before the 21st century?
Honestly, life would be just as shitty. Social media didn't CREATE nasty behavior in people. It only exposed it.
@@KuroNoTenno Nah it definitely amped it up. People are way more nasty when they're behind a screen
I lived this drama when it was out. Huge bits of the story were missed out in this video - and I wish I still had the 'receipts' from the time - were Heidi found Jared's old mobile phone and the nudes were primarily leaked from that device, as there were texts where she was blackmailing/threatening him with it.
And that she assumably stumbled upon both Charlie's during this period. It's unsure how involved she was with the minor-soliciting scandal, but she was a part of it as she mentioned it first. When JTK says Heidi was quiet during an early period of the scandal...yes and no. She was quiet on her own Twitter, but she was active everywhere else spreading the narrative alongside the two Charlies AND on facebook (where she was the first to drop a post about the whole ordeal).
And lastly, though there wasn't concrete evidence it was Heidi who wanted an open relationship just for herself originally. She forced Jared to do it later as he had issues with the arrangement, but he eventually benefitted from it emotionally connecting with someone as his wife was - and let's not kid ourselves - abusing him emotionally. That is known, what isn't clear is if she had a side boyfriend the entire time, but it was suspected a male consplayer she was seemingly at every event with from a certain point (prior to them opening their marriage for her) up until the scandal was the guy, as fans had come forward noticing them together and Jared's marriage was a hot topic in inner circles due to Heidi flaunting herself with another guy at conventions.
Yeah, Heidi was a selfish abusive monster, and she only proved the point with her tirade for weeks after his clapback video. Girl wouldn't let it go, but it was noted she stopped saying specific things, so she probably got a stern letter from his lawyer to pack it in otherwise he'd seek legal action, which is something he alluded to but didn't want to take legal action and just call it quits.
i remember feeling so sad for humanity when every content creator i watched started ragging on someone's appearance like high school bullies.
everyone jumped on believing Heidi right away. but if i didn't watch Jared's channel for 10 year, maybe i would have been on Heidi's side too...
Where all but ants. Just fellowing the scents
maybe you should start thinking for yourself then and not care about what others think
@@tempestsquall5882 Herd mentality is almost impossible to avoid. You can sit there on your high horse and tell people to think for themselves, but EVERYONE can fall into the trap of believing the dominant narrative, no matter how strong willed or self righteous you are.
@@rj.thebean6671 It's impossible to avoid for ordinary people with no ability to introspect at all*
There's no 'high horse' or 'self righteousness' to this, btw, and using such emotionally charged accusations shows that you've learned nothing from Projared's incident.
For a long time Jared fan watching all the drama unfold was painful. Seeing a channel get destroyed like that (a channel he worked really hard on nonetheless) was very upsetting. I was so glad when he came back. Maybe his channel will never recover for the aftermath of the drama but it's still nice to watch new videos he puts out. He works hard on them so he really deserves more success.
i mean he (if i remember right) had just hit 1m subs when the drama came out, and now 3 years layer he's nearly back to 900k subs. unfortunatly i dont think his channel will ever full recover from it
^ This I agree HOWEVER compared to before, his following might be smaller BUT he is much better as a creator and as a person. After surviving that*insane* debacle, I still think Jared came out of it positively along with his current small community.
@@EmmanQuinones5234 i really hope that everyone in his community (not his subs i mean the video game video making community) have seen his video wit hthe evidence. cos i would love to see some projared collab videos again. the opening of poke poke with pbg is still one of my favs
@@TheAfker he's been at 888k for over a year now. That can't be a coincidence.
There's something wrong with his sub count. You could look at site with sub statistics. It's constantly drops same amount of subs that it gains every month
Ironically, the real victim is the whole controversy. Was rubber ross.
He ended up doing better than the other three in the long run
I met Jared at Zulu's in Bothell, WA.
I recognized him even with his mask on and he was super cool. let me get a pic with him then we talked about content (I'm a very small streamer/sometimes youtube uploader). Got to tell him how much I loved his OG Nuzlocke with Nuptup (Oddish).
Anyway, what happened to him was disgusting. He didnt do anything wrong. His kinks are his own but nothing he did with/showed that girl was outside of consent at all.
man the sequence of youtubers mocking his looks at 42:00 is brutal considering all the fuckers talking about him are on the same level of attractiveness
Repzion also calling Holly Smeagal is wild as well when if he shaved his head it would be a convincing cosplay
Facts and repzion is just nasty on the inside too
The dude doesn’t even look bad. Good hair and jawline, the blue eyes. Like, if you saw him on the street he’s at least a 6
@@mousefire777 they seem mad he has self confidence too. like what the fuck.
I mean, Repzion’s biggest rival was Onision. So I guess he was used to that level of discourse?
Imagine wanting an open relationship, then getting mad when your partner follows through with it too
Yeah, Heidi is in the wrong
It's called "wanting an excuse to cheat freely and getting mad when your husband doesn't act like a doormat."
That's generally how it goes actually.
@@BlackHeart1216 yep generally the open relationship thing is to justify current cheating or a desire to cheat with someone specific. Very little is about your partner playing around. Not always but often enough to be the stereotype
Wellcome to woman.
When your partner asks for an "open relationship," youre already in one.
The only correct response is "goodbye"
Honestly I've never really understood all the harassment about his appearance. He certainly isnt the most attractive person to have ever lived. But he looks like a perfectly normal person.
because people are hypocrites, they use image as an excuse to harass somebody but when it so happens to come out that he is not as bad as the stories wanted to paint him to be, when people only wanted to cancel him, then people start saying he is good looking, or average at best. Its so staby and I really can't respect it. I was one of the few youtubers that made a video defending the dude, got 70% dislikes 30% likes and people disagree with my reasons just to little later on come out to be true all along. Amd then all of a sudden everybody talking bad about his character or his image turn 180, its so weak how people just change minds depending on where the hype train is going, like have little to no personality of their own to think critically at all. Some people should live with themselves longer and face hardships, perhaps that will make them good capable friends one day.
I remember tuning into his first Twitch stream after everything went down, and watching how grateful and overwhelmed he was with the support was a moment that will live with me forever. Dude was in tears at points, and the sub-train lasted for like an hour or two.
Yeah I remember watching the 6 hour return stream on Twitch and the 3 hour vod of it on UA-cam and crying with him throughout the whole thing too. It was very emotional and unforgettable moment.
He really does some of the best writing and explains why he does/doesn’t love the game he reviews
Eh... His Sonic Adventure 2 video is pretty bad
@@kanchomerocks12 His Sonic Adventure 2 video does precisely what PS Rewind said: Explains why he does/doesn't love the game.
Sonic people are so upset about it because he presents his opinion as fact.
Eh no... he was hit and miss reviewer. Remember Metal Gear Rising review?
@@MrStupidarmy I remember he didn't enjoy the game.
Which... doesn't mean the game is bad. I didn't enjoy it much either.
@@kosherpickle2598 He presents his opinion with confidence as a critic, because the fact that it's his opinion should go without saying.
This should be called the Rise and Fall and Rise of ProJared.
Yes
Wow, it’s stories like this that make me happy I go outside for fun and not on Twitter.
Twitter’s a monument to human failure and the fact the vocal minorities has such sway in a lot of things only adds to it.
Twitter is fun to watch they will lose their minds over the simplist shit
Twitter lays eggs in your brain. I'm no Mary Poppins even on a good day, but I started to feel like twitter was designed to coax negative feelings out of me. Other Social media can be toxic too, but twitter is worse somehow.
@@insensitive919 your need to monologue is really pathetic
You’re watching a drama video on UA-cam,it’s not any different than Twitter honestly.
Social media in general isn’t any different honestly,Twitter is simply the new scapegoat,just like Tumblr was years ago.
Man... It's sad to see that his former partners are at multiple million subs and on partnerships while Jared was ultimately left alone with a shadowbanned channel and a blacklisted presence on the internet.
He's still one of the most talented game reviewers and presenters on the platform btw.
Yo that woman really tried to destroy his life all because he was honest with her about how he felt. What a crazy person.
The ultimate shit-test. To the death.
That's very common
You can't be emotionally open with women no matter what they say.
It will turn them off and they will stab you in the back with it when they inevitably leave you over it
This was a cool video. I found his videos late last year and never knew any of the drama he went through and so unfairly. I loved all of his final fantasy and 90s jrpg reviews and he seemed like a good guy just from those videos, so I was shocked to see him on this channel. But it sounds like he was mostly not at fault and got the ire of a hatemob very unfairly. I'm glad he's managed to keep doing what he loves to do creating fun content. "The rise, fall, and rise again" of ProJared.
I still enjoy ProJared's content but when I see him nowadays I want to cry. All the stress has aged him immensely. He will live a lower quality life for the rest of his life and the people who lied about and abused him will never see a second of karma drives my blood to boiling temperatures.
Has any of those schmucks been relevant in the years since? The first and last I watched a video of Arin, I ended up subscribing to OneyPlays instead.
@@rayvenkman2087 Chris and the Gang are 100 times better
@@karlsparx9077 Arin/Egorapier always give me that insufferable, almost smarmy kind of aura with him and a worse moaner than CM Punk. A toxic influence when it comes to the perception of several video games including Sonic the Hedgehog who’s the worst affected by him.
Chris and his lot would take the piss out of a game like Vice City but you can tell they’re having fun when messing around in it, even when it’s not very good.
@@rayvenkman2087 Arins honestly a lolcow if he didn't have thousands of unironic fans
Karma always catches up to people eventually, just not on our whims.
I like how a simple accusation is enough to kill someone’s image. Good thing history doesn’t show us burning women at the stake of being called a witch or anything.
yeah that'd be barbaric it's much easier to throw em in a lake
Yeah these days it's the witches determining who gets burned
sheep comment
Baaaaaaaah
Commenters like Sheep and Aradia proving Tom's point.
3:30 my girlfriend heard this and went “He DOESN’T want his head crushed by Chun-Li?! Coward!” 😂
I have to say, this is one of the best-executed videos I've seen on this topic. Kudos.
I used to follow him, until the drama in 2019. While I don't follow him anymore, mainly because of my own change in content interest. I do regret some of the things I was so quick to believe and said offline while speaking with others. I am just glad the truth is out and everyone has moved on from it.
same i thought at first that maybe it was true but to be more fair i set myself with only unsubbing from him and seeing if in the future the man can clear himself so i only really talked shit in the aspect i said in some comments that if true i would be very disappointed in the man since i loved his content i then proceeded to leave and wait for a response that never came then forgot about him. Then once the video of his response came out i saw it recomened to me and was like "finally lets see your side then" after watching and comparing to the twitter comments i personally felt that jared was given the raw deal the only thing i think he really did wrong was that as someone with some fame making a place to swap nudes could be a power dynamic issue but thats really more of a smaller moral issue not a massive one like cheating on your wife or a crime like being into kids.
@@uchihasflame1 It amuses me that Jared's career was almost destroyed on baseless allegations about him being into kids. But now a handful of freaks on Twitter are trying to normalise being into kids. Even Netflix weighed in with Cuties. Probably the most disgusting film ever created.
@@Superluigi881 As messed up as it is to say i still believe in putting those freaks in their own prison and doing some hungar games type of thing called last pedo standing lol id watch it.
@The Comment Year Bot This is so not true. Power dynamics definitely work with not just children, but anyone who you (or sometimes the law) perceive in a position a power over you. That's why bosses can't sleep with employees or professors with college students, etc. It's murky and can lead to all types of shenanigans. Celebrities are no different. You named exceptions to the rule, but most fans should NOT be in a relationship with their idol. Think about it. They usually have a case of hero worship or believe they're a certain way when they really aren't. It's not healthy for the fan or the creator.
@The Comment Year Bot having sexual relationship with your fanbase absolutely is an abuse of power.
It is strange how people switched on a dime to be pro revenge porn.
Same with Hulk Hogan.
Yeah, it's super fucked up. It doesn't matter if you think the person did something bad (or if the person provably did something bad), it's awful to post that stuff.
When the accusations came out I posted something on Twitter like, "let's wait and see the evidence first before we get the pitchforks out." Boy was that a mistake... was instantly flooded with a mob sending me nudes of Jared. It is what made me finally quit Twitter. Total cesspool.
Pro Jared has a new UA-cam "Now in the 90s." It comes out every Friday and they talk about video games that came out that week 30 years ago. I like it quite a bit.
yeah, it's pretty good. I know it's exploiting nostalgia, but that's why I like it. I love the shots of the old magazines I used to read as a kid.
@@chexmixkitty Yeah, I agree. A little nostalgia exploitation isn't such a big deal, if the content is actually decent.
Ethen Klein mocking anyones looks is embarrassing. His wife giggling along. those 2 are amongst the few people who look weirder than Jared.
Ethan making fun of anyone's appeqrences is peak irony
this whole thing was a massive moment for me to get away from h3 and that community, he took such a weird stance on it
Damn !!!!!!!!!!!!
Ethan talking about how goofy Jared looks really came across as somewhat...in bad taste given Ethan isn't exactly Brad Pitt himself. Like, I've enjoyed H3's content far more than I ever have Jared's, no lie, but that really just came across as...nah, this ain't it.
@@c.j.4180 you enjoy his content?!?!
Kinda weird that Ethan was roasting Jared so much on his appearance when he looks like shorter hair Hila
Yeah he was really off base on the projared thing. Im glad his crew keep him from doing that kinda thing now. I really enjoy their podcast but to each their own.
This whole thing was a chaotic mess and in regards to the whole cheating/not-cheating/poly/not-poly mess especially. However, it’s messy in the “you shouldn’t open your marriage in an attempt to fix it, that’s not healthy” kind of way. Like Jared says, that’s the private kind of mess that shouldn’t involve or affect us.
But the Tumblr stuff is the finest example of actually having receipts to shut down nonsense cancellation fails. Textbook perfect example of how to handle that BS.
I like how people use to love Hollie, say stuff like “she’s a queen” and saying she’s pretty and then instantly turning to “she’s Gollum” after she did something people didn’t like lol
The projarad drama was so out of left field but man he handled the accusations and stuff like a champ. Lots of people dog piling on him after it. Yet no one bothered to notice Jared kept quiet for a long time after his short update video.
Just sucks that other videos with him from collabs got erased due to his presence and the drama that followed him. Which it makes sense from normal boots but yet they didn't reinstate the videos after he cleared his name. So that sucks
I will never forget the day ProJared released his response to the drama, and his line "I have the receipts" it was iconic
He couldn’t even deny the obvious truth.
@@Paranomalous could you please tell me who you are refereing to and which "obvious truth" he could not deny.... if you mean jared... he denied any accusation that actually matterd, namely that he isnt a pedophilia, and he at least gave us enough info to make up our own mind if he was an abusive asshole(because thats something that isnt easy to prove after the fact from a third partys perspective)
@@weberman173 Are you his lawyer? Because then you would know that there’s no coming back. If you aren’t, what a waste of time and money.
@@Paranomalous coming back to where? his channel is (ignoring subscribers which is a pretty bad metric to meassure someones sucess anyway as 70% or more are often Dead subs anyway that only count as a number without engaging in yoru content..)
pretty much where it was before potentialy slightly worse off, his twitch channel is more sucesfull then before, he is earning enough money to live of it(or has enough saving even after the divorce for it to not matter) and he makes videos that he wants to make....
so his professional buisness side clearly came out ok.
his reputation online is hit or miss, but its seemigly good enough that he can continue to recieve add revenue on twitch and YT etc.
his personal life?`thats 100% not our problem, he talked to his lawyers, he had the proof and evidence, the divorce happend(or should by now) and most importantly.. there was no huge fucking arrest for him KNOWINGLY posessing and/or soliciting nudes from minors.... So that its pretty clear that any accusations in that regard where either untrue, or lacked any sort of supporting evidence required to get law enforcements involved.
So once again, pray tell, which part of him will "never come back from this"
as stated before
professonally he is doing alright.
Legally nothign came of this as far as we can tell.
And privatly? thats his own thing to come to terms with, but given how he handels himself on video on stream, he seems to be genuinly happy again. thats littearly all that mattersI(as long as he makes enough to live obv)
@@weberman173 Then what are you defending against?
Jared handled himself through this whole ordeal pretty maturely. He waited until he had enough evidence to prove his side before making a statement video, he didn't air his dirty laundry on social media like his wife at the time did and I recall hearing he voluntarily left NormalBoots to avoid causing trouble for them. I don't know when or if Jared's channel will return to its former glory, but he's done really well putting this whole thing behind him.
wtf? He started this by saying he is getting a divorce and blocking his wife on social media. that is the exact opposite of being mature. Hell if he hadn't done that he probably wouldnt' have gone through all this shit.
@@stoves5877 Keep victim blaming, kid.
@@asteria9963 remind me how this all started? Was it with Heidi attacking him? Or was it with Jared blocking his wife and putting out a statement they were getting a divorce?
@@stoves5877 his wife announced it first on Facebook and was already calling him an abuser and cheater and everything else. Well before Jared had even filled for divorce and before he made his announce to twitter.
And blocking someone on Twitter is where you see something wrong? Really? How? That is probably the best thing he could do is distance himself from her in every way.
@@asteria9963 the real victims here are the kids that got through his age verification system (if you'd call it that) to join his nude page
If you hold a child accountable for the sexual misconduct of an adult, you're victim blaming
The part where people are just insulting his and holly's visual appearance is really rough. That's just mean and unimportant to any reason to dislike somebody. I don't like it.
The lesson here is if you are a internet celebrity or content creator with a well known, channel dont do anything explicit, dont engage with any fans in any sexual or creepy way, just create your content stay away from controversy and stay humble.
Exactly.
Yeah people tend to gloss over that Jared was being pretty pushy and creepy towards his fans. Sure they were all over 18 but come on, show some decency... Keep that shit private and don't involve fans. It's a recipe for disaster. He didn't deserve all the hate but he himself made the bed that allowed for a lot of the accusations to begin with.
It's a shitty situation, because what Jared did was worthy of criticism, it was just paired with awful awful lies
It was interesting being a fan of Holly, Ross and Jared before all of this happening. As much as I liked seeing the relationship of Holly and Ross in their occasional blogs together, from an outsider looking in, you could see that that it was a case of opposites attracted. The energy between Jared and Holly was very interesting though. They were both passionate about a lot of the same things. As close to a “soul mate”as you could find (once again from an outside observer perspective). It almost seemed like a shame that they were both married then haha. When it became really weird was during their time in DCA. Seeing the community ship their DnD characters romantically and seeing artwork of their characters being “intimate” was a bit odd, but they both enjoyed the art regardless. It wasn’t that surprising when the drama dropped. It was disappointing. The amount of people who were like “you dumped her for HER?!” Posts was almost comedic. Because just like Holly and Ross, the relationship between Jared and Heidi was oddly similar - a mismatch of personality. I cannot deny it was amusing seeing all the dunking on Jared, but whenever people would comment on how he would “trade his beautiful wife for a gremlin”, it was obvious how little people knew about the whole situation. I mean once again, I was an outsider too, but this made a LOT of sense. It’s a shame how everyone handled it, and I feel bad for Holly most of all. Outside of all this drama that brought out her personal life, she was thrown to the wolves. You never get to really know any of these people, but her content before all this was the nicest wholesome community.
It really sucks when people make fun of e-celebs’ appearances, even if those people actually do suck. Take Leafy for example: when iDubbbz made fun of him for having a weak chin, there were several kids I knew in real life who got bullied for having weak chins, too. So even though Leafy might’ve deserved the ridicule, there were plenty of innocent people who got it, as well. In my opinion, if you make fun of one persons’ appearance, you make fun of everybody’s.
- I remember having strong emotions about this, not because of any feelings towards the actors, but because I liked Ross so much. From everything I know, he seems like a really nice guy, and the fact that Jared "hurt" him in my mind definitely skewed my opinion of the situation.
- - - I wouldn't be surprised others had a similar reaction at the time of the scandal.
All the comments trying to explain and justifying why they jumped on the hate train immediately and non of them read like something an adult should do.
"I was hurt because i took an accusation at face value, but instead of rethinking at least once or waiting for any proof but "trust be bro", i just took the next few weeks and acted out my hurt feelings and joined the hate mob."
In other words: You would have joined a good ol' taring and feathing if the opportunity would have arrived.
No, because I keep my opinions to myself until I'm certain about them. I don't enjoy open accusations about people I don't know. I trust you're familiar with that kind of thing?
@@gandalf_thegrey Of course people like you still have to paint this stuff black and white, despite the whole drama being a clear example why you SHOULDNT.
This whole situation is a perfect example of people just showcasing their own rotten cores. Everybody just got real 3rd grader-y with it and started insulting these people's looks. As if every one of them was sittin there at their computer looking like George Clooney. All those people calling them names were rotten on the inside and in my book, that's way worse than looking like an average human being on the outside. They wanted to shame people for cheating and lying (without evidence) as if they were on the right side morally but then also just shit all over them for their looks. Yeah, sounds great. Sounds like you're all just really upright, upstanding citizens.
I couldn't agree more. It was perfect encapsulation of what these people find important - appearances. It was all shallow and transparent; the internet equivalent of trash TV. And like you said, for all the body-shaming, it was a whole lot of people who probably shouldn't be throwing stones themselves (by their own standards). And don't get me started on that same community's silence on those who shared his nudes without permission.
I wasn't super tuned into this situation when it happened but this breakdown is really enlightening. Drama videos can be entertaining but it's important to remember that these are people and just because you hear something on the internet doesn't make it true.
These are the same people who cry wolf and call others racists and sexists for not agreeing with them.
The internet really magnifies peoples' psychological issues and puts them on full display. It's like parts of the human subconscious turned inside out. You can really tell a lot about someone when they get emotionally inflamed about something that has little to no personal relevance to their actual lives, as in, their firsthand experience of existing outside of technological augmentation via the internet.
Thats a lot of words to skip over and whitewash the part where he was still sourcing his fan communities for people to do little roleplay picture trading bullshit with lol
@@humblegamer7876 ok and? Jared has already come clean about all of it and said that he regrets doing it. There is explicit proof that Heidi even supported these actions up until she flipped the script on him. Also wtf does whitewash even mean in this circumstance
I actually met Jared about 10 years ago at SGC 2013, and he was really such a nice guy and was more than happy to take both a photo with me, but also entertain the idea of being the “jerk” on camera while I was recording with a camcorder (this was a long time ago, kids lol).
He was one of those creators for me that when this news broke out, I was hoping for a happier resolution, and I was happy to see that he truly was the lovable dork I had met all those years ago after all.
32:15 this was so well timed that i refuse to belive this wasnt intentional.
AMAZING 10/10
The comeback with “I have the receipts” genuinely goes hard. Props to Jared for taking his time and getting everything before responding, especially when he did it concisely and factually, rather than making an emotional response.
He may never fully recover what he lost from the drama, but I'm glad he's done so enough to at least get to 888k subs and hope to see him reach that 1 mil :)
Here's hoping.