Anytime I find myself asking "Whatever happened to that UA-camr?" I swear there's like a fifty percent chance the answer is they turned out to either be a criminal or a reprehensible person and then ghosted.
It's so shitty. A few months ago, I remembered Cry from when I watched him as a kid, and was like, "wonder what he's been up to!" Only for every top video to be about this kind of thing. Really sucks that so many of the old school peeps ended up being awful.
and 90% of the time it's grooming kids, looking at cheese pizza or some other form of pedophile degeneracy. Like, booooooring! Why can't we have something fun, like Vinny and Joel robbing a bank or Jacksepticeye's connections to the Irish Mafia?
Dream's basically a both better and shittier version of Cry. Just unlike Cry, there's a lot of people who did this song and dance before, and can tell Dream is obviously a shithead in disguise. He's worse at hiding it but better at capitalizing on his fame and compounding it. Sadly he got an obsessive fanbase of children all the same. Won't be surprised whenever (who knows how long) in the future a video like this is made of Dream.
I was very confused att. It took a while for me to understand those are two different people. Yet even with Dream's controversies I doubt they be **that** different. Dream sure as hell is shady to me.
like 90% of dream's controversies are just him doing dumb stuff, apologizing and learning from that to not repeat the nonsense, or just straight up lies (except internet likes to hate him and straight up forgets about his steps to fix things up or says "PeoPLe Don'T ChaNgE!!1"). not talking about cheating stuff, that was bad fr, but he quit speedrunning because of that so ig it's fair
@@wildmaknae_ It's moreso the character of his person. If you look at all the "dumb stuff he did" and gave halfassed apologies for, it paints a picture of the kind of person he is. He never even truly acknowledged the cheating until it long passed, I guarantee he woulda kept speedrunning if he didn't get caught so badly.
Hearing Cry’s voice again after all this time is WILD. It’s like seeing a mug shot of someone covered in tats and piercings, then realizing it’s old friend from high school who used to dress conservatively. Just… surreal. I don’t think I’ve seen one clip with him in it since it all went down.
@@itsgrace717he relied on his voice so fucking much to gain women followers too. There was only one cryreads that I liked and now that I think of it, it’s actually legit scary because the story was about a man who unalived his younger sibling(could be just a kid) and was recalling it due to having a ptsd episode. I think the name of it was “Mason”.
@@Krazycougar22Nah, Mason was a story about two little cancer patients who fell in love. I've seen all the cry reads. This news hit me hard when it first came out
Why is it seemingly so fucking hard for so many youtubers to not cheat on their partner or get sexually involved with minors? Holy fuck the fact that it happens so often is seriously concerning.
I think it's something to do with power and fame, but on a smaller level We've heard stories where stardom and renown can corrupt people, but sometimes I think that applies to UA-cam stuff too. You get these lonely nerds and weirdoes--or at best ordinary people--who are ill equipped with handling the sudden fame and attention from hundreds of people in their audience, suddenly getting handed this much power You either learn to handle it responsibly, or you abuse it and fuck up. We've had decent big UA-camrs who dont have controversies at all, because they managed that fame well. But we've also had so much shit like this where Youtubing brings out their ugly side.
@@JayGatz4I think it's time we be honest and really realize how many people out there would really fuck a minor if they could get away with it. Literally every single one that we catch thinks are going to get away with it and a large portion of them get away with it.
it's wild hearing his voice again after so many years and realising how...unwell he had been all this time like I honestly do not know how I've missed it but it's so obvious now
I feel we’ve grown since the late 2000’s when it comes to mental health - recognizing it, openly discussing it, and promoting treatment. I also think about how I was a young girl when I watched Cry… I had no life experience to know that the angst in his videos was a bad sign, and not just the similar to my teenage angst. I feel so bad for the people who were harmed by him before they could grow out of his content like I did (before everything came to light).
No, that isn’t what hindsight bias is. We both said we never realized it at the time, but looking back can see the signs. Hindsight bias is saying you predicted it before it happened… but we didn’t, we only see the signs now since we’re adults and not preteens. Cry was evidently unwell - but the pedophilia was definitely a shock to me. No bias there.
It sucks when I tried to rewatch clips for old times sake, thinking I could just tune out Cry but knowing now how the rest of the crew felt, it really is just tainted.
God the culture of UA-cam was just so different back then. Now being older, the way Cry talks about himself has the same energy as my emotionally manipulative ex.
I never watched this guy but it's unbearable to even listen to. Endless whining and self pity. I am guessing these weren't one after the other like in the video, but listening to it in this video is physically painful.
"You're gonna get tired of me eventually..." made me cringe out of my skin Is like suddenly bursting out "I'm just a piece of trash" or "all my exes left because they're were all bitches" in the scale of "I like to make other people responsible of regulating my own emotions"
Cryotic was probably the only UA-camr that actually disappointed me. I felt betrayed and almost in denial in a way, and spent the next two days digging for info on the situation, since I somewhat grew up watching him due to his collaborations with PewDiePie. It's a shame he's not facing any repercussions, but hopefully he's getting the help he needs, because he clearly needed it.
It's so weird. I started a let's play YT channel in high school because of him and Pewdiepie, and sort of copied Cry's style of talking and doing playthroughs, as teens often do in those specific situations I guess. I'm glad I had something good come into my life from watching his stuff (that, getting better at video editing, getting into Roll20 briefly, and a few other things), but I can't even put into words what I felt watching through this doc.
It’s a different thing when it’s someone you used to watch. So many of the ones who were exposed before were people I had no connection to. I’d stumbled across a video of theirs on occasion, but not people I watched actively. Cry was the first one that I had watched actively, only to be exposed as a problem - a groomer, an abuser, an aggressor. And that made it hurt, because his emotional “openness” in the past had inspired me, as someone with unchecked depression and struggles against a chaotic home life. Felt less alone, felt entertained by his friendship with PewDiePis, felt comfortable. Then when it comes out what he’s done, suddenly you feel alone again, even years after moving onward. Everything falls away, all that good feeling and appreciation, and you just stand there, watching someone you admired fall before your eyes.
@@ghoultoothyou hit the nail better than i could, not just with Cry, but SkyDmc, all those rainy summer days binging their playlists of various games.
Dude may have built a life for himself if he never had that massive influx of social capital. Maybe… it’s just as likely that he would have still been a faux-deep, terminally online loser, lusting after kids.
@@keycrafter7471 not being friends with cryaotic wouldn't change a thing , it's not like cryaotic would have boosted him in subscribers cuz pewdipie was pretty big and most of cryaotic fans probably knew pewdipie due to their content similarity
I genuinely think Cry was a perfect example of unchecked mental illness and ego. He struggled to accept the way the internet was changing around him, constantly shifting between wanting to embrace or hide his own fame. He is an egomaniac with no confidence, which in itself is an incredibly self-destructive cycle. While it does not excuse his actions in any way, I believe Cry to be an incredibly mentally unsound man. The pride has no ego, the ego has no pride. Wherever he is, I hope he gets his shit together.
Yeah it sucks because i truly believe cry could have gone down a different path and was not a "geniunely evil person". What he did is unforgivable but i dont think he was "Evil" in the sense that he was destined to be that way. He just had deeply rooted issues that put him into self destructive cycles and made him deeply desperate for validation, love and attention. If he had gotten it under control i think he would never have done what he did. Sadly he ultimately made his choices and i wish all who suffered due to what he did have recoverd.
@Destroyer120296 Yeah, he's still human and it's a harrowing thing to realize that with enough abuse and neglect any of us could've potentially gone down a similar path. Being a good parent to your child is the most important thing you could do for their future, because if you fail, it shapes and molds not only their conscious mind and personality, but also their entire subconscious mind (and by extension, their associations, emotional reactions, behaviors, and habits) for the worse and, in a nutshell, that's how you end up with hurt people hurting other people. It's a cycle and you have the burden of responsibility to find it in yourself to break it if you find yourself there, both for your sake and those who cross your path - especially those who stick around. That's just life, we all have this responsibility, and it's tragic (in many ways) that Cry wasn't equipped to face that fully, and instead did what he felt he had to in order to escape from his shadow for another day. I hope this whole ordeal has shaken him awake to this reality at the very least. People can change and I hope he manages to find a path to actually be a better person, and face whatever demons lead him to this point. Fuck, this stuff is heavy.
During the "Cryaotic's last livestream/A descent into madness" section, I actually felt really bad for him. It just sounded like someone who had to grow up too early, then found success and a bit of happiness from it, then had everything crumble in his head. I get the feeling of realizing that "success" doesn't heal everything wrong with your mind and how that wrecks you. And then we got to the messaging-kids part and all of that went out the damn window.
@@dr.redwood5479While I wouldn't consider it to be that big of a deal on its own, that man clearly has a pattern of messaging people who are underage. That's an abuse of power that to me makes him irredeemable. It's similar to the CMC situation in a way
The fact that Russ felt compelled to stick around with what was essentially his abuser just for financial security is truly heartbreaking. Edit: Since people keep bringing up the situation with Russ' parents, I want to make it clear that my comment wasn't in ignorance of that fact. For me, the tragic part was that he felt compelled to stay with Cry AFTER he was able to get away from his shitty parents.
Yeah, but it helped him escape a worse faith if his parents were really on drugs and abusive That's not the funniest hell hole to be in. Although your "s/o" flirting with you're "best friend" is the worst kind of betrayal.
I remember when Angel (I think that's their name?) Started hanging out with cry more and I was genuinely confused. Also hated the fact that russ had to stick around for financial reasons
I remember seeing the "apology" video before I heard the allegations, and I got that sinking feeling and thought, "Oh god, what did you do?" Then after doing some digging I was heartbroken. He'd been a comfort youtuber for me for years, and I knew everything I'd ever watched from him was going to be ruined forever, I wouldn't be able to watch it again. I hope his victims can heal, and it boils my blood that he never faced any real accountability for what he did. He got to just disappear while the people he hurt have to continue dealing with the consequences of his actions.
That seems to happen more often than not nowadays. I see the apology video, or I start seeing videos about said UA-camr a lot. Example as of late being Colleen Bassinger(???). Now I'm just waiting for that other shoe to drop in which big UA-camr is gonna be exposed next 😕.
If it's ANY consolation (not really), this dude's messed up mind will haunt him, even if he's anonymous and may not be held accountable by the law, his mind will hold him accountable. I really appreciate this video's title. Cry will undoubtedly see it and there's likely no other word but "failure" that probably shakes him more to his core. It's his biggest insecurity, especially since his failures are all self imposed. His mind and low self image will haunt and punish him more than anyone ever could. His life is also miserable as he allows himself to be walked all over by others in his life. Plus authorities were contacted so he's probably been living in paranoia. The man won't know peace in his life.
@@miabeya i hope he knows just how much WE know of him. sure, he remained anonymous and put on a fake personality sometimes(besides being manipulative n shit) but your comment shows just how public his person is. i hope it haunts him.
@@scarfhay5541 true but hearing it from Cry, who the majority of the time on the internet was quiet and chill go on this unstable rant like in that video
Cry used to be my favorite UA-camr when I was 13-17 ish. I was young, lonely, and honestly back then Cry felt like my only friend at times. I had a schoolgirl crush on him. I'm glad nothing like this ever happened to me. I had so many good memories of watching his videos, bought games because of him... When I found out what happened because I watched his last video I was so upset and hurt that I cried. As a 20 something year old 😂 because it felt like finding something horrible out about an old friend. Really damages a persons trust in their favorite UA-camrs...
literally i'm in the exact same boat. i never had anyone detail what exactly happened since i was just a dumb kid with a stupid crush on a faceless youtuber, but now that i'm an adult, i'm mortified. like cognitive dissonance is kicking my ass, but i'm so happy to know the truth.
In hindsight, the Catherine bit is epic dark comedy. Because in the results, people lean towards physical cheating to be worse. While cry thinks emotional cheating is worse. Cry then challenges this notion by making emotional cheating look WAY WORSE.
I think most people wouldn't actually understand emotional cheating. I don't think I do either. Like if everyone's being honest, chances are we're not in a relationship with someone who is our idea of peak physical attractiveness, so the urge to do physical cheating is easy to understand. Falling in love with someone else, being honest enough with yourself to realise that but not honest enough to tell your current partner "I don't love you anymore"? That's hard to picture for yourself.
@@calamitysangfroid2407The problem is that many people emotionally cheating still love their partner. They want to have both people in their life and they're too selfish to let go of either, even if what they're doing is showing the exact opposite of love. It's good you don't understand emotional cheating, you shouldn't ever have to.
It is so sad how I just listened to him a handful of times, knew he knew Jack and Pewds a bit, and then after years of just forgetting about him and going back to see how he was doing - to see ALL OF THIS. Just wow.
When the news dropped I was more or less in denial, but then like slowly accepting it. I feel bad for all the people he hurt. It's just such a tough pill to swallow. His D&D session with Russ and the Late Night Crew was what got me into D&D. That memory is pretty much tainted now.
That's pretty much the exact same way it went for me, crazy how things like this happen and you don't know until years later. Reminds me of SkyDoesMinecraft, loved his videos when I was younger and then I came back years later and found all the shit about him that happened. It's really sad how people you once liked turn out to be evil...
Bro same, he was just one of those youtubers that I completely forgot about and then recently just thought of and wondered how they're doing Lo and fucking behold, this video shows up on my recommends. UA-cam reading my mind aside, this whole thing is really unsettling.
I loved him, loved how sultry his voice sounded. Followed his channel for years and clicked with every notification that reached my phone The fact of the grooming was a hard punch
hearing about him is always so depressing. his videos were formative for me as a kid. it's like looking back at something that led you to such positive places and seeing it was actually just a steaming pile of shit. just genuinely makes me so sad.
completely same - he was a HUGE comfort youtuber for me. i'd watch or rewatch series to get through breakups or other life shit. and out of ALL of the content creators that i enjoyed, i'd always go on about i was so glad that my favorite content creator stayed out of drama and was incredibly wholesome. i don't think i've let myself enjoy content like that since this stuff. 😵💫
@@od3910 yeah, now i keep everything at arms length lmfao. everyone's gotta have their one mildly parasocial view on a content creator that ruins it all
I survived middle and high school because of Cry. I couldn't hurt myself, I had to get to Saturday so I could watch the Late Night Crew. The summer after I graduated is when all this shit came out... it still really hurts. Hearing Cry's voice is so bittersweet. I've had a few dreams about the LNC as a whole since then. I loved his playthrough of The Cat Lady so, so much, and I can never watch it again without feeling sick. I was groomed as a teenager, too. Cry was a safespace for me, and so many other people, and I hate that he's a piece of shit who hurt other people in the same ways I was hurt.
You're not alone there. For me, he was one of the OG let'splayers. I was in high school around 2009 when I first started watching and had always been hooked to his humor and voice. It was good times. I haven't touched or rewatched a single one of his videos again, not since the big bust. In fact, looking at Dream SMP's avatar makes me feel weird bc it's so strikingly similar to Cry's avatar.
Cry isn’t pathetic because he was mentally unwell. Almost everyone is in some way. He’s pathetic because he took his pain and unleashed it on absolutely everyone around him, with no thought to the consequences. I’m not gonna lie, his struggles with motivation and depression and loneliness are really relatable to me but he took it so far without any care about anyone else. The whole situation is absolutely crushing. It hurts so much to know that if cry never existed a lot of people would be a lot better off.
Eh, i wouldn't be so sure about that last statement. He is a bad person and all his fans agree. But as despicable as he is, it seems a lot of people were grealty helped by his presence during the earliest era of youtube
I think it’s a double edged sword perhaps his content helped a lot of people get through the day ik for me Adam Kovic and the gang from Funhaus got me through a lot of rough times in highschool despite Adam being a cheating, creepy and disgusting person the content they made and some of his jokes helped me but it was the people he interacted with on a day to day basis in person and online that got burned the same can be said for Cry i think
I don't approve of the cheating but I am in a similar situation as cry was and I am. A person that believes and follows absolute honest so the pple around u can actually help. Because not knowing the full details. Helps no one. And loneliness depression and self hate plus any level of drama wreckless havoc on ur brain and is that a problem. To want. Help to a fundamental level.
Cry honestly to this day still has the best playthroughs of SEVERAL games. He was one of the very few Let's Play'ers that actually let the game tell its story and he paid attention. His commentary only added to each one. These days most channels are constantly talking over dialogue, not paying attention to the story or basic mechanics, and then complain about how confused they are. Then he threw it all away.
There are still a bunch of great youtubers who let the game tell their story as well as add commentary, but you're right that Cryaotic was one of the earliest ones of that style that actually took off.
Try CJUgames, Chris, he is a small let’s player, mostly horror and he is similar to Cry when he plays. He is funny and calm (mostly) and smart (mostly), he seems like an overall great guy. So far he doesn’t complain or cries about his struggles. He just announces when he took breaks or moved. He uploads every day, except weekends (and sometimes even weekends). Give it a shot. I actually believe that CJU deserves much more viewers/subs, because he is genuinely good. And he has no facecam during the play, but before and after to show some of the best reactions during the game and to say goodbye. 😂
The worst thing about cry is that it felt like he genuinely was a pretty wholesome dude. More so than a lot of UA-camrs. And so when I heard about what he did or... was, I was deeply disappointed. It felt like the world just got a little more rotten.
For real... I was a very depressed kid back then... There was just something so wonderfully comforting about his channel. I instantly fell in love, I watched so many of his let's plays, listened to all the cry reads. He was hands down my favorite UA-camr/entertainer until all this happened. He seemed so nice
I think another discomforting thing is that, in hindsight... all the pieces really fell together. What a lot of us probably saw as silly quirks or as him doing a bit, they were actually signs of something more disturbing.
He was the first UA-camr I found myself, and actually enjoyed the content of. I still remember leaving a hopeful comment on Draxr's channel, on the last stream the LNC did. Immediately regretted it.
@@loveableheathen7441me too, I was the exact same way. I had a lot of comfort watching his videos when I was a kid, but markiplier was a lot better and was ACTUALLY a super incredible human
He actually was my favorite youtuber for so many years starting when I was 14. He was part of the reason I got super into rpg maker horror games and (cringe ik I'm sorry) got super into Undertale. I even encouraged friends to watch his videos because I thought at the time that he was so funny and a chill guy. It's so depressing that those good memories I had of watching his videos are just broken now... such a messed up and unstable guy.
Man, for me, Cry was the first one that stung. His videos and songs were a huge comfort to me back when I was younger, and 2020 feels like a lifetime ago now. edit: Yes, 2020 was 3 years ago, that's my point. It feels like it's been a decade since his breakdown and shit hit the fan, but it's only been a couple years cuz of all the wild stuff that happened over the last few years. But yeah, I used to watch him when I was a young teenager, and he seemed so wholesome. When I found out he was pan, it was so cool having someone I looked up to be the same as me, and then he turned out to be a creep. I guess I was lucky that I wasn't the type to DM creators or try to get involved, or I could have been one of his victims.
Just letting anyone that's looking into this know that Russ is rehosting Late Night Crew again with the other two. He did one stream for halloween and there's plans to do one more for new years. While Cryaotic caused insane amounts of damage, there are still those that rebuilt themselves. Support Russ, Scott, and Snake.
The only youtuber I ever ended up feeling betrayed by. Just pisses me off what he did to Russ, hearing what he had to say gutted me and conclusively buried my desire to be a Cry fan.
When this whole thing was first revealed I felt so betrayed and angry. The mere sound of Cry’s voice made my skin crawl after learning everything. But now it’s just… sad. Hearing him again after all this time was more heartbreaking than I expected. It’s like looking at the ashes where your old high school was. There were some good memories there but mostly it sucked, and you can’t even be glad that it’s gone
Cry went from being someone I could sympathize with to a predator. I disagree that what made him a failure was his inability to do anything with the opportunities he had for success on the internet. I've been there. So depressed that literally nothing could give me enough satisfaction or dopamine to motivate me. A therapist once asked me what kind of life would make me happy if I could do literally anything. I couldn't come up with a single thing. Mental health problems on that level can seriously incapacitate you. HOWEVER, that doesn't excuse his abusive behavior in any way. Especially considering he seemed perfectly aware that what he was doing was wrong and was intentionally hiding it. Severe, untreated (and sometimes even with treatment) depression can make it impossible to care for yourself and be successful in your life and career. It doesn't make it impossible not to prey on others.
I really appreciate this comment. I also have been in that place, I understand the feeling. But it is such a big leap to become a predator. Mental illness in no way excuses it.
@fallenangel3742 I am, thank you! One of the big turning points for me was doing an intense course of DBT group therapy when I was at rock bottom. It focused more on how to manage my symptoms instead of trying to cure the depression and anxiety. I had always thought that approaching it as a chronic illness instead of as something I could fix would be too much like giving up. Instead, the coping mechanism managed to get me enough peace to actually start making progress. I went from the worst I had ever been to almost normal function for the first time in my life in my late 20s. I'm in my early 30s, now, and I'm excited about my life. I didn't know it was possible to feel like this, and now I know why life always seemed so much easier for "normal" people 😅 TLDR: Keep trying different approaches if you have persistent mental illness. You can be in unsuccessful treatment for decades and finally find something that works for you.
@@corvinredacted I feel similarly to you; I struggled through my 20's with depression and manic episodes of behavior; but never did that once spill over to commit a crime or harm someone other than myself. I had been a huge fan of Cry for years, and the emotion he could manage to get behind his voice without even adding a self-cam, and devastated when I learned he was a POS; in addition to another guy I liked that he collaborated with, Boyinaband. There's never an 'excuse' behind harm you do; no matter what harm you're suffering, there's a way to get around it without hurting others.
I grew up in the generation where Pewds, Mark, Jack, Cry and the others were at their peak. Cry was my personal favorite, since I liked his "calm" demeanor and I like where his range and taste of games are more than the others. Hearing Cry's voice again after years in this video makes me cry but also gag. I'm around my 20's now, and I still couldn't forget how harrowing it is to see both the rise and fall of your favorite youtuber. As much as I loved Cry (and I honestly and genuinely still weep for him) for the solace and peace he gave me as a teen through my darkest times like many others did, I hope he goes through hell for his actions. What he did wasn't okay and will never be okay. Using mental illnesses can not be an excuse for his shitty actions. I honestly feel for his shitty upbringing cause I also had a shitty upbringing myself as well as two mental illnesses, but I can never vouch for using that excuse to ruin both his and other people's lives. He honestly could have gone down a more brighter and peaceful path if he had just sat and took a hiatus to face himself in the mirror to fix that one, broken inner child. He could have gone to therapy. He could have taken a step back and take a breath and excuse himself so he'll be and feel better. But no. I hope he goes through hell. As much as I have looked up on him and he became my comfort youtuber I could never stand by him. I genuinely hope he's out there getting his shit together, taking in the consequences of his actions, and be so damn sorry. also to those like me who missed Cry but couldn't face his vids ever again and had the itch of it, I swear ManlyBadasshero is such an amazing youtuber. I found out about him right after this whole fiasco (who honestly became my saving grace) and he has the same vibe as Cry's LP's. He's now one of my favorites and he's pretty funny and really, really chill and focuses more on a myriad of indie horror games, which is pretty cool c:
I think that last part is the cruelest bit of irony. For all Cry feared he would lose his audience, Manly is the proof that if he just kept doing what he was doing, being chill and playing horror games, he could have been successful. That's all people really wanted from him, but he just couldn't help himself but complicate things, make everything so much harder for himself, and stick his fingers into other people's relationships. I used to love Cry too, and there was a period of time when he stopped uploading on his main where I was really wondering where he went or what he was doing (I didn't follow his social nor do I use twitter/X in general), but I eventually moved on. It's a shame he went full pedo-schitzo, he could have really been something... But, alas, I could say mostly the same for someone like Spoony or Mumkey Jones, and nothing would change. Sometimes, losers are just losers, and there's no happy ending. We just move on with our lives taking what little positives they left behind.
I remember watching his Cat Lady playthrough and how... _nice and supportive_ he was of the main character, stopping occasionally to talk through heavy topics like self harm, su*cide, depression and _emotionally abusive relationships_ with such tact and care. But I guess that just goes to show that you can have someone who understands or even just parrots good and helpful sentiments but is still themselves a bad and harmful person. Everything he did to his victims was a complete betrayal of what he led his community to believe. Given how easy it was for him to do all that while putting on a supportive or sympathetic face for his audience, I don't think that he could ever or should ever be trusted to come back. (I edited the last line to say "I don't think" instead of "I don't know" because I realised from replies that it sounds almost like I think Cry should come back. To be clear: I do not want him back. I think that due to the constant pity parties he threw for himself and the young people he emotionally sexually abused he should stay logged off forever.)
Parasocial relationships are a hoot. And no, don't trust people online. Did your parents never tell you that? All the harm he caused, is due to the control and influence he receives from people like you. It doesn't go any deeper than that.
@@MrYelly Excuse me but you extrapolated _a lot_ more about my "relationship" with this creator than I actually stated. I watched some animations involving him and a few playthroughs. I never saw any of his streams or watched the multiple emotional breakdown videos shown in this essay. I had no parasocial relationship with this man as I didn't even make an account to comment on UA-cam until 2016, but I did think he was a decent person until I realised it was all a lie due to his ability to hide his secrets behind a kind persona. So kindly take your want to ride a victim blaming high somewhere else, thanks. In fact, don't victim blame at all! Do you _really_ believe the kids and teens who were fans of his content are to be blamed for his online pedophilic conduct as a 22 year old man and up? Reevaluate your opinions immediately.
i completely understand your sentiment, i definitely enjoyed that playthrough and it is so, so unfortunate that it was an act yet it felt so natural. in my personal opinion, i’d like to see what that second proper apology video would look like. however, staying off the internet forever is the best outcome for the victims and everyone involved in the situation.
I've always wondered what happened between him and Pewdiepie. Remembered in one livestream someone asked Felix about it, and he gave a subtle hint of what happened, and he was genuinely upset about it, and especially what came out to the light
@@ultimaxkom8728 it was a livestream that he did two years ago or so where he went into it a little bit. There's also another video if you search for it where he very quickly skipped Cry's part
Having been a mod for his streams circa 2013 and 2014 (from ages 15 to 16) as Red brought me on to mod the offline hours, watching back stuff and going "I was there for some of this" is always surreal.
@HarlequinHeart16 It would likely just be telling stories from the few times I interacted with him in the Skype group for the mods and complaining about how feral the offline chat were lol
I only turned up for the other three. I'll be frank, Cry is and was a nobody from my perspective - possibly even an annoyance because he interrupted the funny, interesting and skilled personalities that had stellar comedic timing. When Snake was silent for 10 minutes being a monster of a gamer, then he'd finally open his mouth and say something so perfectly timed it was almost accompanied by a drum-roll my sides were sent to orbit. Jund and Russ have a very unique sense of humour, so they'd also hear something that'd send them, and it'd send you too. What he did to Russ and the place he had found for himself - Russ, a truly kind, funny, a bit lonely and shy person - was by far the most atrocious thing he did. He really victimised him, and treated the LNC very shabbily, thinking only about himself. That's my opinion, so you should know that when I say this next part, it is without a single iota of sympathy or bias towards that (from my perspective) truly dull nuisance. Cry was reprehensible, but also a neglected child, a person who also knew he was a lucky charlatan with little to offer - and the fan-girls approached him for entirely selfish reasons, a person that desperately fetishised love and validation - they were the only people that would even talk to him. In this story, Cry doesn't appear to be targeting young women, but any woman that will show him even a crumb of love or interest. He is a selfish, cruel victim, that placed that void he felt before everyone and everything else. That Russ business though? Psychopathic, that.
@00Discourse00 All I can input regarding people wanting to talk to him/having made posts on him was that Ocean was pre-transition (ftm) and a fellow mod when they were talking. Older than me at the time but still a minor. I remember both Ocean and his ex Cheyenne being (the latter extremely) possessive of him. It sucks because, to my understanding, there was some "geek next door" sort of charm to him. But I never saw any of that. Liked his voice and found him through Felix. Few times we spoke he was chill but that certainly doesn't excuse his behavior. Out of the LNC I talked to Zeigsden and Red the most and they were both very sweet.
back then it's always Pewds, Cry and Ken. Then Mark and Jack also started to rise. Ken kinda fell to obscurity just because he focused more on being with his wife Mary and started being more chill, Cry was still really popular until one time he just vanishes and i remember at the time his Late Night community started throwing stuff like "Damn Cheyenne is toxic" but i kinda ignored the whole thing since i don't really follow him. But Ken still occasionally showed up on Pewds's vids meanwhile Cry seemed distant. Until one time when Pewds was streaming, a guy in chat asked "Why didn't you play with Cry anymore" and he replied "I just didn't hang out with him anymore, some things are better left unmentioned." In which i thought at the time, friendships kinda drift apart over time. until a week later, theres a video about Cry that just blew up. (Oh and this is also sometime around the Mini Ladd drama too)
It's also a truly amazing and astonishing place You seen that kitten that dunked itself in its milk? Pure gold, oh and all the money raised for kids and stuff
The internet is a vile place? My guy the internet is just a collection of things from the world outside of it. This is a dumbed down version of some of the stuff you could see just by going outside.
The world is a vile place, the internet just makes it a lot more transparent. What trips me out as a 24 year old who has never watched cry, he honestly had a pretty good life compared to what I've been through and to find out the man was a 31 YEAR OLD talking to underage people this way and preying on their insecurities and the fact that they can relate to him instead of doing what he could to give them guidance and a positive role model disgusts me. I can't believe someone THAT OLD would be crying on livestream to literal preteens. Some people man, I hope all the people who's lives he messed up are doing alright now and I hope all the young teens out there take him as an example to deal with their emotional issues and to take responsibility. Letting your issues out on others, especially young people, does nothing but perpetuate these cycles. It's up to us to breake the habits our parents and role models left us with.
*vile world The world is the vile place, the internet just helps expose these people more then what real life would do, yes the internet does also help these groomers get to children easier, but still the world itself still made these terrible people. But sometimes the internet itself is the sole reason why a lot people become like this so your not entirely wrong.
Fwiw, Jack's a genuinely lovely guy. Felix also seems alright and has definitely matured despite making some bad mistakes a few years back in his career.
I used to be in the Steam Group and I used to watch tons of his videos on UA-cam. But I'll never forget the stream where everyone was talking shit back and forth while Cry was playing some weird eastern inspired war-boardgame and it was so fucking boring, he didn't talk and the others were basically just carrying the stream while Cry was sitting quiet. Then Russ said: "Yo Cry, chat wonders why you're being so quiet." And he just fucking launched into a rant about how he wasn't a puppet dancing for an audience, he was going to play videogames and "have a good time" and that "he was tired of everything." I don't know how, but my brain just went: "This guy doesn't seem like he appears on his let's plays" and then I just never watched him again; it's like I snapped out of a dream or something and realized that he was kind of a fucking asshole towards everyone and it just didn't vibe with me.
Kinda similar but different for me, I loved his letsplays but just couldn't get into the streams...I think by the time I discovered their streams there must have been some underlying stuff I was subconsciously picking up on, cause they just...felt like they didn't like each other? But they were pretending not to? Snake was the one who I noticed first then a few of the others. I stopped watching after a few cause I just couldn't shake that feeling. I thought it was me and maybe I just didn't understand their vibe...and then that day with the final video happened. Sucks man
@@ginnys.matthias1818 I had the same experience. Used to love watching his lets plays as a teen, then didn't like him on stream and preferred his friends. I just got "he's not the kind of guy I would want to hang out with" and stopped watching. Turned out a lot of us subconsciously noticed things being off with him.
"Im not a dancing puppet"... That sounds like some fake deep shit. Sorry Cry but a stream is a performance at the end of the day.. anyone streaming is effectively a dancing puppet. You dance/entertain then you get a bag 💰. it's simple.
It’s so insane watching manipulators/abusers cry and play victim, even though it’s such an expected behavior it shocks me when they do it every time. Like cry sitting on stream sobbing saying “I hate disappointing people” while wrecking his friends relationship and grooming children is peak freaky manipulative creep behavior
"I've always just wanted to make people happy" 🤨🤨🤨🤨 And then the "apology" bruh. I remember watching that shit and being like "bro drop the facade and come clean you piece of shit". Legit not a pint of remorse in anything he was saying.
no bro thats the thing they fully believe it too!!!! and that literally makes it almost worse to me cause its like wow you really just cant stop yourself huh, you really dont see people as autonomously important enough to take responsibility over what you really think and how you Really treat them
There are a lot of cases where someone might look like an abuser because they're simply lashing out and against the actual abuser. Gotta be wary of those. But this isn't obviously one of those cases, pretty much as clear cut and dry as you can get.
@@GetFuckedNerds youre correct and that was definitely how his viewers viewed his ex, you can see in the comments when she got on stream drunk with him how everybody was hating on her for saying mean stuff to him... little did they know that he deserved that plus more >_>
At best they have a victim complex that they think justifies their actions in their head. At worst they're just crocodile tears being used to try and get out of being held accountable. However, I imagine it's probably the former here. Someone who wears a mask a lot tends to not be very emotionally stable, as it were. And when someone just blames everybody else for their problems, they tend to keep doubling down because that's all they can do to try and excuse their horrible behavior.
Just hearing his voice again made me cry. Cryaotic was such a huge part of my childhood and such a short of comfort. His betrayal is still to this day the most painful one.
Same here, I had to stop the second they played his voice because it just hurts so bad. I watched his streams almost everyday through college while dealing with a lot on my mind, but then the pandemic hit and this all came out. I was devastated, especially because that twitch community was amazing to be a part of.
ye i stopped watching lets plays once i started college and had money to buy my own games. was at some point wondering what happened to Cry and then shortly after this whole thing came out like nooooo not you too 😅😭
I got into so many of my favorite games because of Cry. He’s literally a part of why I like the games I do today, and it’s such a weird feeling knowing he turned out like he did
Agreed. Still the one that hurts the most, still today. I cried so hard the day he uploaded that manic episode video. I made friends thanks to him and felt understood. I felt he was more honest and laidback and really liked him for that. Hell I even had a crush and some of my friends did too. Boy did I not see that one coming. But thanks to that I found another creator in the same vibe just waaay more wholesome: Manlybadasshero. And he is really talented and laidback too. If anyone is interested I really recommend him !
I was a fan of Cry when I was a child. I watched his ōkami play through religiously. As a kid, it’s easy to miss that he always talked like a mental patient because he just sounded like…everyone else during that era of UA-cam. But now that I’m grown, homeboy was UNWELL. Like, probably from the start.
I'm aware this may be way off topic but if you ever wanted to revisit watching a playthrough of Okami I suggest chuggaconroy's playthrough. The guy has times during his let's play where he shares facts about of japanese mythology and folklore that the game draws inspiration from (dude legit did homework before doing the lets play) , in addition he also gives good advice and strategies on the game. If you haven't seen chuggaconroy's let's play, I highly recommend it being the best let's play of the game, (the definitive let's play in my opinion . Sorry about the off topic, I'm jusr very passionate about Okami and hearing about let's plays made me what to share others of good let's plays by other youtubers
God, that Okami playthrough meant so much to me. I just binged it all in one go and it was so comfy. Same with his Bioshock playthrough. Cry actually was the one who introduced me to Undertale too, which is really fucking weird to think about
If anyone else wants to scratch the itch Cry did in terms of LPs, ManlyBadassHero is an amazing UA-camr. Respectful of the games, has fun, pokes fun, etc.
Manly is those kinda lper that you can almost guarantee won't have a drama due to how non-personal he is. Also specializing on random indie horror games, it's inherently not geared to children
I'm struggling to give a shit about what Cry's saying during his last livestream. "I hate disappointing people" if that were true he wouldn't have been hitting on Russ' girlfriend. "I just wanna make people happy" is one of the most self-pitying phrases around. I can't be fucked to have any sympathy for this guy outside of drunk mother and rotating stepdads. Great video.
Breaking down when he can't use his pain from his childhood to improve himself. He have so many opportunities The title of this video is indeed accurate. A failure
imma disagree with the self pitying phrase thing lol just cause I've said that and I wasn't upset or anything I just wanted a friend to understand why I'll drive wherever or buy whatever just so we all can enjoy whatever is going on
So regrettable, his lets plays were perfect for me. His commentary added to the game's story, not detracted from it, he had a calm and soothing voice, he was funny but also laid back. He let the game shine and his editing only polished it. To bad he couldn't handle popularity or his own base urges.
I was around at the time and liked PewDiePie myself but watching clips of him, he sounds like a creep. How can anyone find this voice soothing? Of course hes into minors with a voice like that.
@@VG-fk6nk I watched his let's plays when i was younger and liked his style, he seemed witty and genuinely immersed in the games he played so it was fun to watch. Now though, all i feel is disgust thinking about him and i've not been able to watch any of his videos since it was revealed he preyed on kids. It was so shocking when i first learned of it i was actually legit feeling like i was going to puke for days afterwards. Seriously, i can't feel any joy even thinking about his old content anymore. And he shouldn't be remembered as anything except what he is, an predator. No wonder his avatar was that smiley, it's the mask he wore at all times so people would like him. Hiding his true absolutely disgusting self.
It’s crazy how Cry was literally the blueprint for Corpsehusband and Dream. A smooth voice that got millions hooked. Thankfully the other two haven’t gone too far off the edge yet but I don’t hold out hope. I used to love his longer horror game playthroughs, shit hurt to hear when he got accused then confessed.
He was. I remember around the time I stopped watching cry (16 or 17) and started watching manlybadasshero. I hope corpse doesn't end up like cry. I haven't really watch dream.
Both of them have me very suspicious. Whether is warranted or not. Dream’s mask is basically almost the exact same as Cry’s little character. When I first saw fanart of Dream I genuinely thought Cry was actually trying for a comeback. Not saying that part is suspicious. Just a weird coincidence.
Russ is so right! How could you come from a broken childhood where your own mother was cheated on by your step father, an action you hated and resented that man for, and then turn around do the same thing to your friend?!
Holy shit... Russman's cackle at 53:00 is so bone-chilling. You can *hear* how both relationships Cry took from him absolutely broke him. I hope he, along with all the other victims Cry was communicating with, are doing better now. They didn't deserve any of this.
Man deserved better from his partners and his so called best friend. Russ and everyone else that was a victim of Cry didn't deserve anything that he subjected them to.
Man. I remember a very heartfelt video Cry made addressed to his newborn niece for her to see in the future. I remember watching that and thinking "Damn. this is a good person." Lost potential is right. That stings quite hard.
I think about his niece every once in awhile. Although he was a piece of crap who would screw people over without much thought, you could really tell he was invested in making sure his niece had a good life. It makes me sad, because at the time of his downfall, he was basically his family's only financial lifeline. He just bought a brand new house in Florida for all of them to live in. Who knows what happened to them.
@@thaloblue Unfortunately, from what I remember, his sister was leeching lots of money off him. So with the majority of his income drying up, I can't imagine that went well.
OUCH. I completely forgot about about it. I remember thinking it the sweetest thing someone's ever done for a newborn family member. Honestly I kinda hope she never finds the video. It'd probably be for the better.
I will always feel some serious melancholy whenever Cry and LNC is brought up. He was a childhood favorite and I remember loving the LNC's streams, seeing the fanart of the group hits hard. Cry was a very unhappy person who didn't know how to control his emotions, and lashed out and hurt so many others. He did some foul, disgusting things and is obviously a shitty person that deserves the negative connotations that come with mentioning him nowadays. But I think my inner child will always feel kind of depressed, knowing how him and his group of friends are broken apart because of his selfish and immoral actions.
Well said. Cry tried to do right, for himself and for others. But there was no balance for him to strike, so he built an unstable sphere around him and dove into deeper darker corners to escape and/or find purpose. There's no excusing his actions. But unlike most youtubers turned pedo/abuser, Cry genuinly didnt mean any pedo/abuse or related actions to happen, nor was it his nature to end up where he ended up. Cry is not a bad meaning person. But intention dosnt change anything about the actions one commits. And Cry messed up.
I must have missed it, dammit. I'll pay more attention to the transitions when I eventually re-watch because that sounds pretty great, in a morbid kind of way.
"This is just gonna be a chill birthday stream, okay guys? Let's get this party started!" 6 minutes later. "It's all falling apart, the sun never shines on my house and I'm in a downward spiral. Fuck everything!" That was certainly a depressing birthday. Guess I'll pour one to a dead homie.
Cry's breakdown really hit me hard. I lost a family member around my last year of high school. It hit me bad. My grades tanked, I barely graduated, and I didn't do anything for yaers. 'I'm 30 years old and I haven't even started my life', a sentiment I'm worried I'm going to share. I just started college at 25, and I feel guilty for doing nothing with my life out of high school. I have no sympathy for a pedophile. But I worry about ending up like this. I'm hoping I can 'start' my life and turn it around.
Your story actually gives me comfort. I lost my dad right at the end of Highschool. Threw a wrench in everything. It’s been over a year and I’m still struggling to get on with my life. I hope I can be like you and eventually get ahold of myself.
Hey, if you read this: I'm 29 and I just graduated. Lets look at tit this way... when you look back 20 years from now when you're 45, you'll remember you were a young person just starting their life with the freedoms of an adult. How about now? You were a little kid who couldnt even drive. Your adulthood is just beginning! You havent wasted anything!
Jesus, I thought you were talking about me here. What you described is literally my life. I also just started college at 25. Cheers to better years to come!
This fucks me up because i remember following Cry through his rise to popularity. Legit I can remember seeing his creepy pasta readings JUST being uploaded and sharing them with my friends at school. I was captivated back then with his voice and the emotion he could put into it. Insane as an adult now to listen back and hear how he spoke and what he did. He literally speaks like a manipulator.
Cry and Dodger’s Dandelion series on her channel was my emotional support series for several years. After the drama came out I tried rewatching it again and it just wasn’t the same. It’s very deeply depressing to have something I cherished for years suddenly tainted. There’s this one part from the playthrough I remember specifically where the main love interest is being textbook abusive and Dodger comments that this is an abusive relationship cycle and Cry affirms that and says “Ladies: Don’t let a man treat you like this. Ever.” It really… sits strange now knowing what we know.
@@namelessliberty9869What makes me feel worse is that when the drama happened on Twitter she said she felt sick being associated with him because she (nor any of his friends or collaborators) knew nothing and was told Chey was just some crazy ex girlfriend.
For me it was cox and cry play resident evil 6 it was such a comfy hilarious playthrough that when the pandemic started that was the series i went to for comfort halfway through rewatching that series the allegations came out and it hit hard man, the place i went for comfort turned to shit.
As a 22 year old now I can't even understand why someone my age would be dating a 16 year old. It's disgusting. Edit: The amount of you who are excusing his actions and talking about age of consent is gross.
@@marceelino Here in the US, 16 is the legal age of consent, so it isn't "horrible" in law terms, but it's still pretty looked down upon by most people for an adult and a minor to be in a relationship. Whether it fits within the law or not
It sounds like Cryaotic is a classic example of the "Cycle of abuse", growing up likely never learning how to deal with emotional issues and needing validation so desperately he'd go to extremes for it. Not excusing anything he has done, but I do think it's depressing to see that the dude didn't get the help they needed in time.
yeah no absolutely. it was just kinda.. sad watching this video because i've seen (and met!) people that've broken that cycle of abuse, but some just... don't. i don't know why. i don't think anyone can really know why. but fuck, it's vaguely depressing to see someone so complicated and troubled sink further into the darkest parts of themself. people tried again and again and again to give him an out, to help, to do whatever else. but for whatever reason he just didn't take it. he pulled so many others down with him and it's sad, man.
You’re not excusing his issues at all, you’re just making a point, and honestly this is how we need to look at these issues because it’ll help prevent future cases
@@maldacahMost people who don’t break that cycle are stuck in internal limbo of the past, coupled with deep self-loathing of themselves. Idk how to articulate it, but that kind of deep rooted mindset is very hard to get out of, especially if the person themselves don’t want to change and the get help they need. It’s more complicated, but you get what I mean.
@@boodledemic6430no. its not about mental health its about perversion and predatory behavior and quite frankly we should not feel any sympathy for that disguting subhuman behavior. man is a literal pedo. i have no sympathy for his deplorable actions. hes had every opportunity in the world to improve and in the end he faced no real consequences despite comitting very real crimes. its disgusting. honestly its so disgusting to see so much sympathy for a pedo in these comments. this is the sympathy his victims deserve
Plenty of people have bad upbringings and don't become pedophiles. He could've had a great childhood and fame/money still would've led to this same depraved behavior.
Y'know, there's something else I noticed. I share my experience with the deep sense of betrayal and disappointment and all. But as an impressionable preteen, coming from a chaotic and LOUD house, hearing his low voice and general calm demeanor and vibe gave me a real false illusion. Because even when he clearly showed bursts of anger or mental instability, hearing all that in a relative calm tone gave me a false sense of "not seriousness", as in, "if he's saying stuff calm like that, he MUST have a grasp on his internal conflicts, emotions and, most of all, mentality and ideals. Wow, so mature". Because of that I often didn't question anything that came from him and had him in this pedestal of wisdom. If the same things were said and done by a more loud person (as I was used) perhaps I wouldn't have laid so much trust in him
I dont think Cryotic, at least back then, did those things as an intentional manipulation tactic... But you are of course correct that it was very effective later when he had to hide and manipulate the minefield that he built himself in. Which made him very dangerous.
@@ethribin4188 oh, yes I agree. Absolutely, I don't think that he did that intentionally for a moment, however it did serve in his favor and that is something that influenced me, is all I'm saying
Remember guys: AS SOMEONE WHO IS TRAUMATIZED, trauma is not an excuse to be a piece of shit 💙 Edit: the fact that you guys think "don't be an asshole" is a hot take is beyond me. Touch grass
Same goes for other things like mental health issues or periods, the sooner people learn that you're still a POS if you abuse someone no matter your current situation, the sooner people will learn to not put up with abuse.
Can confirm. Specailly in relationships (I come from one and iy was horrendous) Guys. Never, ever try and play psychology with someone just because you have a crush on them. That "I can fix them" is not going to get you nowhere. Don't go down that path. Absolutely not worth it. Stay safe.
I haven't gone back to look at any of Cry's stuff since all this stuff "settled" but I never realized that his godawful (self-flagellating/"I'm sorry for being such a shithead"-esque, hypocritical, manipulative, performative, etc.) behavior revealed in his victims' dms were pretty much *always* present in his videos and streams. He tried to make *his* issues everyone's problem and fucked up a lot of decent people by doing so.
I used to watch Cry as a kid. Then, when I was 14/15 I started to realize what an actual shitbag he was -- false sense of ego, manipulating his fans through constant sentiments of "I'm SuCh a PiEcE of ShiT guYs, WhY dO yoU evEn wAtCh mE' while simultaneously and slyly encouraging them to treat him like a god, etc. For lack of a better term, he's a fucking loser. To have such a dedicated audience and treat them like garbage is such a nonce thing to do. I've never understand the people that blame his behavior on mental health; yeah, it serves as a partial explanation but NOT an excuse.
And it's so messed up because as a child or a teen, you're unaware of how manipulative it is even though it's so obvious. Thankfully, I always found it weird how people obsessed over Cry, or labeled him as a victim so often, even though he shows some very weird tendencies that turned out to be worse than we imagined.
Ehh, I see it as a cry for help. (Not the grooming related stuff.) Self-flagellation can be as genuine as self-destructive stoicism. I fall into the later category most of the time. I let myself rot because needing others is bad and people figuring out you're failing is shameful. It's a toxic way to think. I think self-flagellators are just reaching out in the wrong places or to the wrong ppl. I'm not so offended by that aspect. (Again, not including the grooming in this in case that needed to be repeated.)
The revelation of Cry's true character really hit me man. His videos got me involved in so many games and communities, some of which I'm still in. Nier, the Witch's House, the Cat Lady, Telltale's the Walking Dead. So, so many wonderful games and memories... started by a creep. It still hurts a little.
The witch's house & Rule of rose, walking dead were some big ones for me I looved crys playthroughs still hurts man I remember looking forward to more playthroughs
@@starfiresreign A good alternative UA-camr for calm voice and indie games is ManlyBadassHero. Feels weird to recommend him under a video like this, but he filled the void when Cry stopped making lets plays.
Naw man here ya go…. Berleezy. He played - TWDTG -Wolf among us -corpse party !!! This was my fav cry series bro berleezy killed this play through I know there’s some others but he’s so positive and funny as hell and he works really hard to be consistent. One of the funniest communities on YT by the way. I liked Cry because he was savage sometimes. Didn’t know he was also so traumatized by life that he couldn’t mentally handle YT fame and went to on to traumatize everyone that ever loved him, all the fans that nervously move on to other communities hoping this fate won’t be repeated.
So true. He played the coolest and most unique games. Dreamfall and Dreamfall Chapters is one of my favorite games beacuse of cry and i followed him for years playing that series. And dude fucking Folklore is my shit because of him. It really does fucking suck and hurt to still enjoy these games but with a heavy and sad catharsis.
@@i.cry.sometimes18 It sucks, because even to this day, it's hard to find a content creator who plays those weird games. They're definitely out there. But Cry was always willing to dive into a really weird, obscure, controversial title, a decade before anyone else did. His playthrough of Fragile Dreams was especially memorable, because that game is so rare and impossible to play, since it's never gotten any re-releases, and is only available on the original Wii console. Same with Rule of Rose. His videos are a weird form of game preservation, as it shows an honest, straightforward playthrough of games that are so difficult to acquire now.
My jaw dropped when I got to the "dating a 16 year old as a 22 year old" part of the video that's supposed to be BEFORE any controversies happened, like holy shit
It's sad scrolling through these comments and reading about how disappointed everyone was by this. Y'all just wanted to support a dude you thought was sweet, wholesome, and chill. Which is in itself very sweet. You're all good kids. ):
Bruh its hilarious mfs say he needs help but thats the best part avoyt growing up and becoming an adult you see there is no help for these sick fucks cause there's no concequences for them. Fuck his fans trying to help him they need to grow up and see it at this point
I just wanna be nice. He strived to radiate as much positivity and sweetness as he could and I tried to do the same, only to find out he'd been lying from the beginning. Well, I wasn't. I'm still not; and I won't let a shitty guy who tricked me make me feel bad for trying to be a nice person.
@@kattastic9999 I think it is more complicated than that. I would assume that cry really and honestly wanted to be the person he pretended to be but he was emotionally unable to not engage in the cheating and grooming stuff. This in turn lead into his self-hatred and the downwards spiral, similar to a drug addict who honestly wants to quit but simply can't. So I rather feel pity for him in some way which I would not if he would just be the type of lying, psychopathic asshole that ridicules the people he betrays behind their backs. I.e. he is rather broken than evil.
@@kattastic9999 Kind of, the question is what could he do at this point to rehabilitate himself? Even if he would be 100% honest about all of it now, would his community accept him again or would there enough haters remain to make it impossible for him to continue? Is he even still alive? I am almost always for giving people a chance to move on and I think from what i have seen in this video about him he probably deserves a chance.
His Cat Lady playthrough is what helped me realize I had depression when I was a kid and I was able to get the help I needed after that. The fact he was always pulling this shit sours that memory for such an important time in my life
The same. I got into the game because of him, but barely watch it since I wanted to play it for myself. Taught me a lot about depression and the traps of self deprication. Knowing who Cry really was kind of sour my experince, but just like Eye of Adam, its probably best to just let him be forgotten.
Cry was one of the few content creators that I can confidently say I actually watched. I never gave a sh*t about many of the old-school youtubers. But Cry was one who I actively watched and appreciated because he gave me a small bit of joy that I never really had as someone who went through parentification or whatever. When I found out that Cry had groomed and had hurt so many behind closed doors, it absolutely destroyed me emotionally. I just worry for the people who'd been hurt. I know personally how much this really destroys someone mentally, emotionally, and sometimes even physically. I hope that everyone who has been hurt are doing better now. This never heals fully, but you can learn to live with it.
This video shows two sides of a person growing up in a terrible household, from one side, Cry, who eventually lets the house break them, and Russ, who sees the house as a problem, and strives to rise above what they once lived through and be better
Man I remember finding out about this. “Man I miss cryaotic” “oh dont, he’s a groomer” “WHAT” Super upsetting to see someone I looked to when I was in a shit mindset turning out to be a PoS. That shit was rough.
I found out about this a couple months after it happened. I wasn't an avid watcher of him, but I enjoyed his content enough to have an alarm for his streams even if I didn't always watch. I was making an offhand comment about cry reads and none of my friends ever understood. My bf did tho and we were talking about cry and we decided to look him up to see how he was doing. Lo and behold I see all these groomer stuff and drama happening. Really depressing considering I actually really liked some of his content and his collabs with pewds. I stayed up watching their collabs, stifling my laughter so I didn't get in trouble.....
@@infinitymocha I saw a video where someone asked Felix why he didn’t do things with Cry anymore and his reaction was so heartbreaking 😭 I can’t imagine finding out your friend is Like That
It's been years since I found out of what Cry did and it still hurts. I grew up watching and listening to this man when I was around 13 and he was part of my childhood. I'd watch streams and late nights, vods, every video he made, and watch others he's interact with. Finding out he's a degusting human still left a hole in my chest.
Oh man, this really hurts to watch. This is hits home with an old "best friend" of mine who had very, very similar issues: Lack of purpose, no motivation, no commitment, fucked sleep schedule, fucked family situation, no friends, loneliness, depression - the whole spiel. But there seemed to be a sliver of hope, a new purpose for him, entering his life when I met my back then girlfriend and introduced the two. They got along well, and grew really close since she also had mental issues and they could relate on that, among other things. And guess what - he did not hesitate to ruin everything he had (though not much, he did have two really close friends who would stand by his side, even with all of his issues) to take the shot and make her the center of his existence. By shittalking me behind my back and actively ruining our relationship, he took advantage of her emotional hurt from breaking up and they ended up getting together. A failing failure tends to drag others down with them.. Inspect your "friends" closely. Some people are not ready for friendships, and they sure as hell aren't ready for relationships.
"Some people aren't ready for friendships." The problem with this is that if a person has both no friends and mental health issues, most of the mental health issues can be traced to the no friends or are made worse by the no friends. When I had depression, I would have had depression anyway, but the symptoms were definitely made worse by the lack of people my own age to talk to.
Had a friend the exact same way, same symptoms, and same behavior, got a girlfriend (whose married btw and old enough to be his mom) and threw our entire friendship away when I thought it was kinda weird and warned him dropping out of college was a bad idea when he had free tuition. Instead of listening to me or just accepting I didn’t approve of his choices but loved him like a brother anyway just cut me off and to this day tries to paint me the bad guy and shit talk me to anyone he comes across. In retrospect I realized he was never my friend, I was just someone to give him attention and now that he found it elsewhere he didn’t need me. You really never know who the users are gonna turn out to be.
When you grew up starved of real care, you cling to whoever is the first person who genuinely consistently care for you & understand you. They'll be like your savior, put on a pedestal, and you'd be devastated at the thought of losing them. Unfortunately, it's not a behavior that one can really avoid through mere warnings. Experience is the greatest - and sometimes the only - teacher. That's my experience as a recovered maladaptive obsessive & love-starved person. I'm sorry that you had to experience the (shit)storm that the broken people have brought with them. It can't be denied that it will do damage and leave scars on the people around them.
Me too. It's so disgusting thinking that when I was a young girl I looked up to him when I could've been someone who could've exploited someone like me.
Hearing him talk about his upside down sleep schedule gave me a major wake up call. I am trying to get over that too and it has me feeling like shit consistently. Not saying any of this to justify his actions, they were horrible of course. I feel like this gave me a glimpse into my future if I continue sleeping like this, as mental health can surely accelerate and amplify mental health issues. I think I'm sleeping early tonight.
The thing is, it's absolutely possible to make that work: there are a LOT of jobs that you can get that are night shifts only, there's always SOMETHING open to shop at, and you can still talk to people in the late evening and make plans, even join friends for dinner as your breakfast. It's not the timeframe that's the problem, it's the stability: if you can keep your sleep schedule CONSISTENT, then you can make it work.
@@kattastic9999It really depends on the person. Also night shifts can make a lot of people miserable because you miss out on seeing people. Not to mention, lack of vitamin D can suuuper amplify mental health issues. If it works for some people that's great but I wouldn't reccomend it to a depressed person at all
Cry and Markiplier were my go to Lets Players when I was a teenager. I really liked that they focused on the storylines in the games and didnt talk too much over the dialog. I stopped watching them so much as I grew older but would watch their things once in a while. Where Markiplier would up load regularly, Cry would not. And then this news broke out. Talk about one extreme versus another.
Except you can hear Mark being genuine while Cry legitimately sounds different in personal calls, showing his persona as completely disingenuous. Even his crying sounds like he's purposefully speaking in a higher pitch, despite the fact that most men don't have as much range in their pitch when crying. It tends to only go up a couple octaves. He went from screamo lead singer to sounding like a transexual who's been on estrogen. That's not normal lol. I don't have anything against you liking his content before, I'm just surprised how so many people didn't see through him.
@@jasonbliss6030 I'm pretty sure cry's voice sounded so low just because he never seemed to be speaking in normal volume, while when one is overwhelmed with emotions, they speak louder and thus more high pitched. Additionally, he could have some sort of disorder that would cause manic episodes, making his mannerisms and voice unpredictable at times, that doesn't mean it's disingenuous. Imho, he was a desperate man trying to be happy but not knowing how, actively chasing the quick hits of dopamine rather than steadily improving his life. Unfortunately for everyone involved, he dragged people with him. (Side note just fyi: trans women don't get a higher voice due to Estrogen, they go through voice training to learn how to reach higher notes. It's also why you can see some cis men pull off really good girl's voices, it's all training, unlike trans men whose voice deepens on Testosterone. Fun fact of the day I suppose?)
@@yotashiprokou7283 Youre right, it only stops the voice from getting deeper so it would have to be used from an early age to prevent a lower pitch, good catch. I still believe he sounds disingenuous personally. I've been wrong before, but his actions make me feel as though I was right this time. We all perceive differently, I just can't hear genuine emotion. It feels too controlled and inconsistent to me. Cheers though stranger
@@ZamrayzRayzoray I don't know what's worse. Him or dream. I never watch dream but i grew up with cry and he is the person that give pewdiepie nickname pewd.
Damn, i haven't heard crys voice since i was 16, before everything came out. This totally has ruined my childhood. I hope that justice is served for his horrid actions.
This whole thing ruined my childhood as well. It was a shock the last time I attempt to revisit his channel only to see that final Cry talks video. Never watch anything related to him since, until this video.
I was surprised it hurt so much, Hearing everything coming out slowly with more evidence was just... awful and I feel for everyone involved. Very bummed out about it
same i used to watch his videos all the time and it’s been so long i never even thought he was capable of this but i hope he does get proper punishment for his irrevocable actions
Don't kid yourself, absolutely nothing will happen to him. Doesn't matter if every single accusation is true, it needs to be proven beyond reasonable doubt to count in court.
This hurt bad. I grew up watching Cry and fell off of it after I turned 14 or 15.Then as an Adult I decided to see how he was doing, completely oblivious to what had happened. When I found out I think a small part of my inner child died then. The music he used at the end of his videos basically cultivated what my taste in music is today, along with my sense of humor. Its a shame that now I have trouble sharing that with people after what he did. Its shameful.
Don’t feel guilty about others very different actions.. Every person is a regular civilian and a part of society.. People have choices where they can take up a career that changes their title.. Or commit a crime that changes their title.. And even then they only gain the criminal title after finally being caught.. All you saw was the civilian part.. the good sides of someone.. Just because you were motivated by the good side doesn’t mean in any way we’re you motivated by the darker side of the person, which you admit yourself you were completely unaware of..
As much as I kind of hate to say it. The fact it's been as long as it has and no one has said anything in regards to Cry or the situations. He may have "opted out" as they say. He was 31, still living at home, mental health issues, no real friends, no type of healthy schedule what so ever, deep emotional problems. Then he loses the one thing he had, his online life and persona. Essentially being erased off the internet from Twitch, UA-cam, etc. The way he had already been declining mentally and then everything exploding in his face. I wouldn't be surprised if it got to him in the end. I used to watch HELLA cry growing up. His collabs with Pewds were my favorites. I remember so many nights as a teenager going to bed with his let's plays on. He was soothing in a chaotic household I was growing up in. I fell off keeping up with everyone for years after I got out of highschool. One day I thought "I wonder what been going on with these people I used to watch" Everyone like Pewds, Ken, Marikplier, etc were all doing good, having families, getting big on youtube, but I couldn't find anything on Cry and I noticed everyone stopped collabing with him years prior. So I went to his channel and just got side swiped with confusion. Hearing the last 2 videos he had posted, then reading all the comments below, slowly piecing things together, looking up things on Twitter, UA-cam, sort of deepdiving, and my heart sank. One of the youtuber's I found to be most relatable, soothing, funny, and enjoyable to watch turned out to be someone I needed to stay FAR the F away from. I am currently 29 and the thought of someone my current age going after me when I was 15, 16, 17 using their online persona and fandom to gain traction on me freaks me out. I feel so bad for the victims he used, cheated on, lied to, and the friendships he utterly didn't seem to give a ish about at the end of the day. He destroyed all his friendships through lies, and infidelity. There is a part of me that considers with his background, child hood, mental health. That MAYBE there was a part of him at the time that really didn't see what he was doing was wrong, or that he couldn't comprehend the situation he was participating in, but eventually he did, and I think once he realized all of the bad things that happened to him in his youtube career were because of him. There is a part of me wondering if he could even cope with it. Like he tried to continue his streaming and posting on youtube like things weren't as bad as they actually were, or like he REALLY thought his actions weren't that bad cause he never actually got physical with anyone, or whatever the case may be. Him realizing "Oh sh-t it really IS this bad...there are a LOT of people suddenly exposing a bunch of things I said to them... people are connecting dots... people are asking too many questions that I don't know how to answer, if I am honest everyone will hate me anyway, but they seem to already hate me, so whats the point?" I think the pressure of owning up to everyone, everything he has done over the years was just too much. Which is why he never ended up posting a follow up video, or even stream, or anything. He couldn't face ALL the consequences and cries for answers on some serious allegations at once. If he was potentially investigated by the FBI for messing around with minors or what not, that could be another reason we never got an update since. Depending how legit any of it actually was. But yeah regardless... It is really sad to see how 1 person SO many people grew up with and looked up too had destroyed so many lives and affected so many people in ways I am sure still occasionally affect them.
I watched Cryaotic back when RPG horror games were a big thing. I really liked his playthroughs. I always thought he was a genuine person who cared about people and talked about suicide and depression and he seemed like he wanted to help people. So when the news came out, even I was shocked and saddened by it and I didnt even idolize him the way his serious fans did. He was the last youtuber I expected to do something like this.
So many old creators revealed to be absolute creeps but none of them hurt as much as what Cry turned out to be. Like he was genuinely one of my favorite youtubers, his voice was always so calming to me, and his style of let's plays was just more enjoyable to follow along than others. But after hearing about him, I can't even stand to revisit a single video of his. It hurts more because he had such a good "wholesome" reputation. And I know it's stupid to put your blind trust on a UA-camR for god's sake, but I was a child back then and I grew up with his content. Like imagine if the dude from Blue's Clues turned out to be a murderer, that's how it felt to me. Just so disappointing. I feel so bad for his victims and I wish he was found out sooner. What a shitty dude
The part about Russ and "Angel" kinda weirds me out too, in a way. Like he only ever said he had a crush on her, not that they were actually an item. She chose to date someone else, yet it comes off like he felt like he owned her, and she was already his just because he had a crush. That doesn't obligate her to like him back or date him, even if she flirted with him or something. Like I've been there, thinking you might become a thing with someone and they start dating someone else especially someone you're close with, it sucks and it hurts. But she was free to pick whoever she wanted to date. You don't get to call dibs on a person or anything. Still shitty to go for someone a supposed best friend is into though, especially after doing that with his last relationship, not trying to say Cry didn't do a hurtful thing there.
@@Topgear2006 Glad I'm not the only one! Like he didn't steal her from you or ruin a relationship, she just chose a different option that wasn't him. Sucks, but that's life
@@MariaThePotterNutshe was literally talking about fucking hin over text, not sure how it can get any more serious. But victim blame the person who got abused more.
@@BioshockDrillbeing sexual over dms does not mean you’re in a relationship or serious in any way. Talking and confirming that you are together does. Very immature
I cannot help but feel bad for Russ. I understand how he feels ENTIRELY, and I'm sure a lot of us can. Poor dude deserved someone good. Hope who he is with is treating him good, and doesn't break him furthermore.
For real, possibly the second biggest takeaway I'm getting from this is that I really hope Russ gets better days ahead of him. He seemed like nothing but a fun, friendly person to hang out with from the start, and he's just been having all this shit thrown at him his entire life. He really does deserve better. I also have found a lot of respect for Snake since all of this has come out. Not that he didn't deserve respect before, but I've come to be in contact with his content much more since then, and he seems like a great guy too.
russ had always been my favorite from the late night crew because i could tell he was a funny and genuinely nice guy :) i hope he's doing good because he truly deserves it
@@geckopecko you hope the guy that grooms children.. is doing well.. Jesus christ you people are sick its okay to be a pedofile aslong as you are famous...
Furthermore, didn't Russ comment here? I don't see his comment anymore so i wonder if he deleted it or maybe it's just buried further down (but unlikely)
Seeing all these images and hearing these names feels like finding an old, decayed stuffed toy in the back of a closet. Loved long ago, now rotten and can never be looked at the same. My heart goes out to Cry's victims, fading to obscurity is too good a punishment for him.
A clapped situation all around. Man had the people at his beck and call for being a real one, only to be lying to himself as he fucked around toyed with people's lives for his own gratification. Still him being cast away, racked with guilt and shame having burned every last bridge, never to hold anything close again.. Not really sure any punishment could be more torture than being in his position rn. Just hope for all the victims sake they've been able to continue forward in life without being shackled to the past due to that sick man's involvement.
People really do tend to call for excessive punishment. Like having something you built up for over a decade collapsing in an instant permanently somehow isn't enough. Even sounds like some of them went to take legal action, but as Cry never got physical or monetary with any of the people, there really isn't much to do. I typically don't condone potentially driving someone to suicide, so I try to look at things as objectively (and dryly) as possible instead of drafting messages about how horrible they are and that they deserve worse. I was actually expecting some sort of news along those lines due to the bashing he was getting when it all came to light. Still not sure he hasn't, honestly. But I also never really got the whole celebrity thing, e- or otherwise, so perhaps others can empathize with it more than me. I don't get enamored by them and I have no interest in their personal life or even really their professional life, so I don't really understand why minors would give Cry their phone numbers to begin with. I also lived with a twin sister who, at 16, made many horrible decisions but absolutely knew better, which also perhaps adds to my jadedness. 16-year-old me didn't understand her awful decision making, at the very least.
@@shelby5809I personally skipped out on his livestream era but remember it well, and I’m 23 if that’s any indication lmao. I’m thinking OP is probably a similar age?
@@shelby5809I personally skipped out on his livestream era but remember it well, and I’m 23 if that’s any indication lmao. I’m thinking OP is probably a similar age?
It feels like thinking of an old ex and re living the good memories and missing them and then remembering the horrible things they did and the way they hurt those around them and you realize again that there’s a reason they’re gone
I think this one affected me the most. In high school, I watched him religiously and enjoyed his calmer nature when it came to horror games. I stopped following him when he chose to stream. not because of anything, just a growing disinterest in gameplay channels. When all of this came out, there was so much hurt. It made me question if my idolization of him, my initial assumption of his character was all a lie. In which it was. My heart goes out to his victims and to his former friends.
Cry was such a comfort youtuber for me growing up, he was like my safe space away from a lot of the things I was going through as a teen. Watching his playthroughs got me into a lot of different games that are some of my favorites now (like catherine and wolf among us), and I would always have a playthrough that I can rewatch over and over without getting tired of it (cry n cox play re). Getting the notif for the video where he comes out about everything made my heart drop, I hadn’t watched him in a while before this so having this be the first thing I see / hear about him was not what I expected. I was devastated, he’d hurt so many people and showed no signs of remorse.
Do they turn out to be that way because they never grew up and they never really had healthy attention, so when they have it they're just more likely to abuse it?
@@emilyau8023 It has a lot more to do with the effect of fame/wealth than upbringing. Having power over an audience of underaged girls that worship you.
@@TheBakerZeni feel like they were always predators, just with fame were allowed to abuse their power and know that because they’re popular, there’s still going to be people who like them
I remember i took a break from him once i got to freshman year of high school just bc i got into other different interests and what not. After i graduated i got all nostalgic and started rewatching and catching up on new videos and livestreams from him. Literally the day after that he uploaded The final video. Felt kind of like a cruel cosmic joke. lol.
This was the one major UA-cam allegation incident that really hurt me. My older brother and I were big fans of him starting around the time I was 11 and my bro was 17. My bro had just started getting into watching livestreams; Late Night Crew was one he raved about. I loved the Cry Reads series and many of his playthroughs. It was over a decade ago that I became a fan of him (which is insane to think about.) His voice had a soothing quality that I haven't found in any creators since. I really feel that he was a major precursor to current creators like Dream and Corpse. It is unfortunate that he let everyone down with his atrocious conduct; he had a great deal of potential before he fucked it all up.
Similar experience for me regarding Mumkey Jones. Dude seemed pretty alright if not straight up an alright person giving an empathetic take of subjects some people didn't dare to set foot in. Then at the height of his career and life he decided to cheat on his girl and enable a pedophile then go on and on posting mental breakdowns online while alienating his friends and family. Disappointing.
@@iemier Making vastly inferior content (last time I checked) and being somebody I can barely stand after the debacle. It's disappointing, mate, kid could've been an example...now he's an example on how not to behave.
@@tobiyoarcangel I completely agree, it's honestly just really disappointing that everyone else disregarded what he did and welcomed him back with open arms.
@@iemier I don't think they did, his career certainly mostly died or at least it ain't what it used to be, people laugh at him like a total lolcow, and most of his friends dipped except just a couple, right?
I still remember the sinking feeling I felt in my stomach as I read through the screenshots of messages he'd been sending to underage fans, to literal children who thought he was amazing and wanted to be friends with him. But the one thing I remember so strongly was seeing one non-binary person tweeting asking for advice on how to contact Snapchat for message logs since they had previously received pornographic DMs from Cry and wanted to help out with the case against him. People told them to email Snapchat's support team to get chat logs; within like 24 hours Snapchat's team emailed them back and basically said "you need to contact the police immediately. Go to your local PD, show them this email, we'll work directly with them from here on out." It's been 3 years and I still think about that person, and I hope they're doing okay, whoever and wherever they are.
@@mac_sourIt’s a meme to say a year or time… imagine civilization restarts from scratch in 2024 is it 2024 to just keep gender binary then? PS Don’t care about what they are but at the same time awful that happened to said individual… I don’t get what was the point saying non-binary other than an unnecessary descriptor.
So child grooming and dating underage girls aside, that last livestream of him crying, ranting, and breaking down was hard to watch. I don't know I'd react if I were there in the stream.
I can tell you that the type of people still watching him in his last year were teenage girls that crushed on him and only those I stopped watching him much earlier because he would randomly be a douchebag on stream or his girlfriend Cheyenne would blow up and ruin the rest of the night
@@Cutiepie0111 You can still be disappointed in your own actions, dude. It hurts worse when you have even a semblance of self awareness of how you screwed up your own life and you know it's your fault.
i remember this deviantart artist i followed a long time ago who spent their whole time on there making very well drawn fanart of cry and his friends. all of the hours they probably spent on those drawings just to go down the drain like that, i can’t imagine how that person feels…
@@iwilleatursoup3679it's not well known, but his identity was eventually leaked a year or two after the fallout by a former friend of his, Tolomeo, when he was drunk on stream.
They found out his name and one of two pictures of someone who might be him. It honestly seems like no one found much about him is because there was nothing to find - dude never left his room, never had a job or irl relationships or friends.
@@linasayshush That’s very true. that and it was a different time period, I feel like people today still would of been able to find more than they would have in 2013
you never realize just how much the content you consume at a young age genuinely affects you until you're older. I was a huge cryaotic fan throughout middle school. from 11-13 i would watch his videos all the time. Gameplay, let's talks, anything he put out I consumed. i remember when the allegations broke in 2020, I was horrified and in denial. I didn't want to look into it at all. Only now, at 18 was I able to watch this video and oh my *god*. In hindsight, the way he complained in the cry talks videos, the ways he went about his griefs and issues, really affected me deeply. He was my idol, my role model. I reflected so much of his personality and his speech and his beliefs into my everyday life. I sometimes wonder why I was so mean and miserable when I was younger, but after watching this, I genuinely believe modeling myself so much after this man led to the way i acted and treated people. It's just horrifying.
i hadnt watched any Cry content in a long long time, but he was a foundational content creator to me in middle school. An idol. I also happened to have a long, terrible relationship with an unstable guy through highschool and a few years past it. The clips of him in this video, after not hearing his voice for years (I'm 24 now), have me in a similarly reflective state as you, i think. I wasn't just miserable myself, miserable to others, but I ended up seeking out a miserable partner with a lot of same "quirks". Unsurprisingly, this all brought years of unhappiness my way. I'm sure everyone these days is desensitized to youtubers coming out as bad people. The revelations about Cry were very external for me, especially having not interacted with his content in so long. Another groomer on the internet, right? This video, along with your comment, really brought it home for me. Made it click in a way. Thank you for your insight- and happy trails. I wish well for all those ex fans who might've internalized anything from this asshole
its scary how many of us really were children in his fanbase, and even more scary that some of us knew he wasnt a good person but couldnt handle the reality of it. I remember being on tumblr in 2013 and hearing about different allegations about him and refusing to look into it because I couldnt accept it. I remember denying that most of his fans were children despite never really looking into who was in his late night streams and assumed his commenters on YT were adults unlike myself. I was only 12 but I definitely wasnt alone in feeling like the person i looked up to so much and watched every single day could be a bad person. Cry has done harm to so many people and im just thankful hes fading away with time so that one day he'll be truly forgotten and left behind.
Cry's playthrough of Ib was one of my favourite playthroughs of all time. Listening to the clips you played and his voice gave me heavy nostalgia for when I was 14 and watching it after school. I loved Ib, The Crooked Man, Mad Father, Ao Oni and so many of the other RPG horror games of that time and my memories of them are pretty intrinsically linked to him. Which sucks knowing what I do now
right there w you that playthrough was everything to me, Corpse Party too. I tried watching them the other day because I heard after a while without uploading you stop getting revenue from youtube so i figured it wouldn’t benefit him in anyway but even hearing his voice now makes me feel nauseous :( sucks ass.
During my highschool years, I never missed an LNC stream. Saturday nights were my favorite time during those years. The day that everything came crashing down felt so unreal. So many memories are forever tainted. I only hope that those directly affected finally had closure and that they're doing better.
I miss Cry, man. Don't mistake me, he deserves to be gone for what he did. I just wish things had been different. His content was so chill and he was one of my favorite creators to put on to sleep to.
i feel that. honestly, i wonder what he's doing right now. if i had the opportunity, i would sit down and have a conversation with brian for several hours. i dont want to be his friend or anything, especially after all the weird, grooming sick shit he did, but just watching the breakdown stream and watching him spiral and not know what to do with himself i can relate to on a personal level. sometimes people don't get the help they need until it's too late; and even then, sometimes you can't really help someone if they don't want to help themselves. its a tough situation.
I get what you mean, honestly. Frequently that I catch myself wanting to rewatch some of his old playthroughs again, but every time that urge is instantly drowned in anger and disgust for the shit he's done. Impossible to separate the art from the artist for me, on this one. I do still watch Jund fairly often though. And his girlfriend, jen.
I legit thought Cry had gotten popular again when I saw dream based off of the mask and green color. Took me a few months to find out it was another guy
They have a lot of odd similarities. Besides the being faceless with almost identical masks, and grooming allegation things- Like, the green hoodie, people shipping them and their other UA-cam friend associated with the color blue, the fact they foster parasocial relationships for validation, interacting with inappropriate fanart... I'm sure I could find more, but it's already kinda crazy.
I always come back this video because I use to love cry’s videos and to learn that not only cry but the others in the gaming group that he was in being from bad walks of life have to go the such mental breakdowns and it being amplified by what cry did is so heartbreaking. I’m someone who want to be UA-cam and play games and have fun with people. And it’s stories like this that makes it so scary but also pull back the veil that the platform just like anything is not always sunshine and rainbows. Thanks joon for all your in depth videos.
Wow, Cry literally broadcasted his mental breakdown You can tell he was always unstable, can't think of anything making it more worse than getting "famous"
Issues that were left bubbling and boiling under the surface only to then find themselves propelled onto the influencer big stage.. In a different timeline where he sought help and stuck with it.. Perhaps things would've turned out differently for him, for Russ and all the countless victims caught up in this tradegy.
That my friend is what fame, attention, and popularity does to you. Which is why I don’t understand why people scramble to become famous on the internet. It doesn’t solve all your problems, it only masks them.
Anytime I find myself asking "Whatever happened to that UA-camr?" I swear there's like a fifty percent chance the answer is they turned out to either be a criminal or a reprehensible person and then ghosted.
Usually a fun little mixture of both!
Bro, ive been since the early day's of UA-cam and its insane how most turned out, in a positive and negative way...
It's so shitty. A few months ago, I remembered Cry from when I watched him as a kid, and was like, "wonder what he's been up to!" Only for every top video to be about this kind of thing. Really sucks that so many of the old school peeps ended up being awful.
and 90% of the time it's grooming kids, looking at cheese pizza or some other form of pedophile degeneracy.
Like, booooooring! Why can't we have something fun, like Vinny and Joel robbing a bank or Jacksepticeye's connections to the Irish Mafia?
And it's a 95% chance that they touched minors.
Imagine the utter confusion I had when Dream SMP rose in popularity. I had whiplash seeing how strikingly similar Dream's mask looked to Cry's avatar.
Dream's basically a both better and shittier version of Cry.
Just unlike Cry, there's a lot of people who did this song and dance before, and can tell Dream is obviously a shithead in disguise. He's worse at hiding it but better at capitalizing on his fame and compounding it.
Sadly he got an obsessive fanbase of children all the same.
Won't be surprised whenever (who knows how long) in the future a video like this is made of Dream.
I was very confused att. It took a while for me to understand those are two different people. Yet even with Dream's controversies I doubt they be **that** different. Dream sure as hell is shady to me.
@@darcyjoshua7201 whats up with Dream now?
like 90% of dream's controversies are just him doing dumb stuff, apologizing and learning from that to not repeat the nonsense, or just straight up lies (except internet likes to hate him and straight up forgets about his steps to fix things up or says "PeoPLe Don'T ChaNgE!!1"). not talking about cheating stuff, that was bad fr, but he quit speedrunning because of that so ig it's fair
@@wildmaknae_ It's moreso the character of his person.
If you look at all the "dumb stuff he did" and gave halfassed apologies for, it paints a picture of the kind of person he is.
He never even truly acknowledged the cheating until it long passed, I guarantee he woulda kept speedrunning if he didn't get caught so badly.
Hearing Cry’s voice again after all this time is WILD. It’s like seeing a mug shot of someone covered in tats and piercings, then realizing it’s old friend from high school who used to dress conservatively. Just… surreal. I don’t think I’ve seen one clip with him in it since it all went down.
I used to think his voice was so "sexy" but listening to it now it sounds so forced and creepy 😭🤢
@@itsgrace717he relied on his voice so fucking much to gain women followers too. There was only one cryreads that I liked and now that I think of it, it’s actually legit scary because the story was about a man who unalived his younger sibling(could be just a kid) and was recalling it due to having a ptsd episode. I think the name of it was “Mason”.
@@Krazycougar22Nah, Mason was a story about two little cancer patients who fell in love.
I've seen all the cry reads. This news hit me hard when it first came out
@@itsgrace717and passed the bar of weird Batman voice attempt #40
lol tf you guys srsly diddnt get pedo vibes out of that voice back then?
Why is it seemingly so fucking hard for so many youtubers to not cheat on their partner or get sexually involved with minors? Holy fuck the fact that it happens so often is seriously concerning.
I think it's something to do with power and fame, but on a smaller level
We've heard stories where stardom and renown can corrupt people, but sometimes I think that applies to UA-cam stuff too. You get these lonely nerds and weirdoes--or at best ordinary people--who are ill equipped with handling the sudden fame and attention from hundreds of people in their audience, suddenly getting handed this much power
You either learn to handle it responsibly, or you abuse it and fuck up. We've had decent big UA-camrs who dont have controversies at all, because they managed that fame well. But we've also had so much shit like this where Youtubing brings out their ugly side.
The bar is so low, meanwhile motherfuckers out here playing the most intense limbo to duck below it.
@@JayGatz4I think it's time we be honest and really realize how many people out there would really fuck a minor if they could get away with it. Literally every single one that we catch thinks are going to get away with it and a large portion of them get away with it.
I know, right? It’s so goddamn easy not to be a pedophile. And to just break up with someone instead of cheating, but the former is a lot worse.
@@sailormoonfan224 Are you sure you're using "latter" correctly there?
You know it's a youtuber documentary when it only takes about 8-10 minutes into the story for grooming to take place.
I dunno, I was starting to wonder since it was taking so long.
I counted 8 seconds.. lol
@@sayLeotardbutsayitChineseyeah he talked about the grooming in the intro
Fr fr
36 minutes in and still no mention of grooming other than in the intro
Editstarts at 41"
it's wild hearing his voice again after so many years and realising how...unwell he had been all this time like I honestly do not know how I've missed it but it's so obvious now
I feel we’ve grown since the late 2000’s when it comes to mental health - recognizing it, openly discussing it, and promoting treatment. I also think about how I was a young girl when I watched Cry… I had no life experience to know that the angst in his videos was a bad sign, and not just the similar to my teenage angst. I feel so bad for the people who were harmed by him before they could grow out of his content like I did (before everything came to light).
Hindsight bias
No, that isn’t what hindsight bias is. We both said we never realized it at the time, but looking back can see the signs. Hindsight bias is saying you predicted it before it happened… but we didn’t, we only see the signs now since we’re adults and not preteens. Cry was evidently unwell - but the pedophilia was definitely a shock to me. No bias there.
We were kids
I mean, a lot of us were kids and teenagers. I don't know how any of us would've caught on to that.
Besides the victims, Russ’ side of things hit the hardest. He was trapped with this vermin of a human being for so long
and it all started just because Russ wanted Cry to check out his Amnesia modded level...
Yeah, and we were all unaware...
It sucks when I tried to rewatch clips for old times sake, thinking I could just tune out Cry but knowing now how the rest of the crew felt, it really is just tainted.
Russ has such cozy, fun streams now. Same with Snake. They are doing better
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
God the culture of UA-cam was just so different back then. Now being older, the way Cry talks about himself has the same energy as my emotionally manipulative ex.
I never watched this guy but it's unbearable to even listen to. Endless whining and self pity. I am guessing these weren't one after the other like in the video, but listening to it in this video is physically painful.
its crazy the stuff I was subjected to on this website when I was 14 years old
"You're gonna get tired of me eventually..." made me cringe out of my skin
Is like suddenly bursting out "I'm just a piece of trash" or "all my exes left because they're were all bitches" in the scale of "I like to make other people responsible of regulating my own emotions"
making this about you. yikes
@@jackcutter2 at least they got an ex to compare him to......
Cryotic was probably the only UA-camr that actually disappointed me. I felt betrayed and almost in denial in a way, and spent the next two days digging for info on the situation, since I somewhat grew up watching him due to his collaborations with PewDiePie.
It's a shame he's not facing any repercussions, but hopefully he's getting the help he needs, because he clearly needed it.
It's so weird. I started a let's play YT channel in high school because of him and Pewdiepie, and sort of copied Cry's style of talking and doing playthroughs, as teens often do in those specific situations I guess. I'm glad I had something good come into my life from watching his stuff (that, getting better at video editing, getting into Roll20 briefly, and a few other things), but I can't even put into words what I felt watching through this doc.
It’s a different thing when it’s someone you used to watch. So many of the ones who were exposed before were people I had no connection to. I’d stumbled across a video of theirs on occasion, but not people I watched actively. Cry was the first one that I had watched actively, only to be exposed as a problem - a groomer, an abuser, an aggressor. And that made it hurt, because his emotional “openness” in the past had inspired me, as someone with unchecked depression and struggles against a chaotic home life. Felt less alone, felt entertained by his friendship with PewDiePis, felt comfortable. Then when it comes out what he’s done, suddenly you feel alone again, even years after moving onward. Everything falls away, all that good feeling and appreciation, and you just stand there, watching someone you admired fall before your eyes.
He was someone I watched for comfort when I was a young teenager, that’s what really makes me so mad about it all.
@@ghoultoothyou hit the nail better than i could, not just with Cry, but SkyDmc, all those rainy summer days binging their playlists of various games.
He absolutely is facing repressions, he’s blacklisted from any online position where people would recognize him, which was clearly he passion
Imagine how different things would have been if Russ had given that Amnesia custom story early access to PewDiePie instead of Cry
Dude may have built a life for himself if he never had that massive influx of social capital. Maybe… it’s just as likely that he would have still been a faux-deep, terminally online loser, lusting after kids.
lol
Pewdipie had a good family and was more mentally stable so nothing would change
@@NotVeryStrange nah a lot of things would probably change like never being friend with cryotic
@@keycrafter7471 not being friends with cryaotic wouldn't change a thing , it's not like cryaotic would have boosted him in subscribers cuz pewdipie was pretty big and most of cryaotic fans probably knew pewdipie due to their content similarity
I genuinely think Cry was a perfect example of unchecked mental illness and ego. He struggled to accept the way the internet was changing around him, constantly shifting between wanting to embrace or hide his own fame. He is an egomaniac with no confidence, which in itself is an incredibly self-destructive cycle. While it does not excuse his actions in any way, I believe Cry to be an incredibly mentally unsound man. The pride has no ego, the ego has no pride. Wherever he is, I hope he gets his shit together.
Yeah it sucks because i truly believe cry could have gone down a different path and was not a "geniunely evil person". What he did is unforgivable but i dont think he was "Evil" in the sense that he was destined to be that way.
He just had deeply rooted issues that put him into self destructive cycles and made him deeply desperate for validation, love and attention.
If he had gotten it under control i think he would never have done what he did.
Sadly he ultimately made his choices and i wish all who suffered due to what he did have recoverd.
@Destroyer120296 Yeah, he's still human and it's a harrowing thing to realize that with enough abuse and neglect any of us could've potentially gone down a similar path. Being a good parent to your child is the most important thing you could do for their future, because if you fail, it shapes and molds not only their conscious mind and personality, but also their entire subconscious mind (and by extension, their associations, emotional reactions, behaviors, and habits) for the worse and, in a nutshell, that's how you end up with hurt people hurting other people. It's a cycle and you have the burden of responsibility to find it in yourself to break it if you find yourself there, both for your sake and those who cross your path - especially those who stick around. That's just life, we all have this responsibility, and it's tragic (in many ways) that Cry wasn't equipped to face that fully, and instead did what he felt he had to in order to escape from his shadow for another day. I hope this whole ordeal has shaken him awake to this reality at the very least. People can change and I hope he manages to find a path to actually be a better person, and face whatever demons lead him to this point. Fuck, this stuff is heavy.
I hope he's in jail, he can still get therapy there too
"Wherever he is, I hope he gets his shit together."
@@sokumotanaka9271 You clearly know nothing about the penal system in North America if you think that helps anyone lmao
During the "Cryaotic's last livestream/A descent into madness" section, I actually felt really bad for him. It just sounded like someone who had to grow up too early, then found success and a bit of happiness from it, then had everything crumble in his head. I get the feeling of realizing that "success" doesn't heal everything wrong with your mind and how that wrecks you.
And then we got to the messaging-kids part and all of that went out the damn window.
same
tbf he been dating a 16 y/o at 20
He did really good at emotionally manipulating the story, the spin was 'I made mistakes' and the mistake was being a pedophile. Like. Fuck, man.
You really think people would be there for you if you broke down now huh?
@@dr.redwood5479While I wouldn't consider it to be that big of a deal on its own, that man clearly has a pattern of messaging people who are underage. That's an abuse of power that to me makes him irredeemable. It's similar to the CMC situation in a way
The fact that Russ felt compelled to stick around with what was essentially his abuser just for financial security is truly heartbreaking.
Edit: Since people keep bringing up the situation with Russ' parents, I want to make it clear that my comment wasn't in ignorance of that fact. For me, the tragic part was that he felt compelled to stay with Cry AFTER he was able to get away from his shitty parents.
Yeah but at least that nightmare is over with and Russ finally found his happiness in life.
Yeah, some people are just desperate. For whatever reason.
Yeah, but it helped him escape a worse faith if his parents were really on drugs and abusive That's not the funniest hell hole to be in.
Although your "s/o" flirting with you're "best friend" is the worst kind of betrayal.
I remember when Angel (I think that's their name?) Started hanging out with cry more and I was genuinely confused. Also hated the fact that russ had to stick around for financial reasons
@@jesustyronechrist2330 "for whatever reason" 💀
I remember seeing the "apology" video before I heard the allegations, and I got that sinking feeling and thought, "Oh god, what did you do?" Then after doing some digging I was heartbroken. He'd been a comfort youtuber for me for years, and I knew everything I'd ever watched from him was going to be ruined forever, I wouldn't be able to watch it again. I hope his victims can heal, and it boils my blood that he never faced any real accountability for what he did. He got to just disappear while the people he hurt have to continue dealing with the consequences of his actions.
That seems to happen more often than not nowadays. I see the apology video, or I start seeing videos about said UA-camr a lot. Example as of late being Colleen Bassinger(???).
Now I'm just waiting for that other shoe to drop in which big UA-camr is gonna be exposed next 😕.
Y'all hae t ofile lawsuits and make police reports. That's why this Colleen shit is getting boring. No one is going forward with legal shit.
It was beyond heart wrenching. I've really never trusted another UA-camr since. I don't trust any celebrity really anymore.
If it's ANY consolation (not really), this dude's messed up mind will haunt him, even if he's anonymous and may not be held accountable by the law, his mind will hold him accountable. I really appreciate this video's title. Cry will undoubtedly see it and there's likely no other word but "failure" that probably shakes him more to his core. It's his biggest insecurity, especially since his failures are all self imposed. His mind and low self image will haunt and punish him more than anyone ever could. His life is also miserable as he allows himself to be walked all over by others in his life. Plus authorities were contacted so he's probably been living in paranoia. The man won't know peace in his life.
@@miabeya i hope he knows just how much WE know of him. sure, he remained anonymous and put on a fake personality sometimes(besides being manipulative n shit) but your comment shows just how public his person is. i hope it haunts him.
Hearing Cry having a mental breakdown like that is some of the most disturbing things I’ve heard from him.
Hearing any creator having a mental breakdown is disturbing in general
@@scarfhay5541 true but hearing it from Cry, who the majority of the time on the internet was quiet and chill go on this unstable rant like in that video
@@scarfhay5541 Hearing anybody have a mental breakdown is pretty disturbing
Right? It gave me a damn jumpscare, it's in complete constrast with how he usually spoke.
What an absolute sh*tshow...
At least he admitted it
Cry used to be my favorite UA-camr when I was 13-17 ish. I was young, lonely, and honestly back then Cry felt like my only friend at times. I had a schoolgirl crush on him. I'm glad nothing like this ever happened to me. I had so many good memories of watching his videos, bought games because of him... When I found out what happened because I watched his last video I was so upset and hurt that I cried. As a 20 something year old 😂 because it felt like finding something horrible out about an old friend. Really damages a persons trust in their favorite UA-camrs...
You were a fan of him? Lol! That’s embarrassing.😂
I cried too, don't worry
literally i'm in the exact same boat. i never had anyone detail what exactly happened since i was just a dumb kid with a stupid crush on a faceless youtuber, but now that i'm an adult, i'm mortified. like cognitive dissonance is kicking my ass, but i'm so happy to know the truth.
Parasociallllll
Lesson, don’t put trust in people you’ve never met and probably also decrease your expectations even for people you know intimately
In hindsight, the Catherine bit is epic dark comedy. Because in the results, people lean towards physical cheating to be worse. While cry thinks emotional cheating is worse.
Cry then challenges this notion by making emotional cheating look WAY WORSE.
It’s like he took this as a challenge to prove how emotional cheating can be just as bad as physical.
Most probably he was taking into account all the shit he's done and thought "Well, that's way more fucked up than the other option"
@@xbyte00he was that’s how some psych games work, make you think about yaself
I think most people wouldn't actually understand emotional cheating. I don't think I do either. Like if everyone's being honest, chances are we're not in a relationship with someone who is our idea of peak physical attractiveness, so the urge to do physical cheating is easy to understand. Falling in love with someone else, being honest enough with yourself to realise that but not honest enough to tell your current partner "I don't love you anymore"? That's hard to picture for yourself.
@@calamitysangfroid2407The problem is that many people emotionally cheating still love their partner. They want to have both people in their life and they're too selfish to let go of either, even if what they're doing is showing the exact opposite of love.
It's good you don't understand emotional cheating, you shouldn't ever have to.
It is so sad how I just listened to him a handful of times, knew he knew Jack and Pewds a bit, and then after years of just forgetting about him and going back to see how he was doing - to see ALL OF THIS. Just wow.
When the news dropped I was more or less in denial, but then like slowly accepting it. I feel bad for all the people he hurt. It's just such a tough pill to swallow. His D&D session with Russ and the Late Night Crew was what got me into D&D. That memory is pretty much tainted now.
Feels like this happens to one of my old faves every week 😭😭😭
That's pretty much the exact same way it went for me, crazy how things like this happen and you don't know until years later. Reminds me of SkyDoesMinecraft, loved his videos when I was younger and then I came back years later and found all the shit about him that happened. It's really sad how people you once liked turn out to be evil...
Bro same, he was just one of those youtubers that I completely forgot about and then recently just thought of and wondered how they're doing
Lo and fucking behold, this video shows up on my recommends. UA-cam reading my mind aside, this whole thing is really unsettling.
I loved him, loved how sultry his voice sounded.
Followed his channel for years and clicked with every notification that reached my phone
The fact of the grooming was a hard punch
hearing about him is always so depressing. his videos were formative for me as a kid. it's like looking back at something that led you to such positive places and seeing it was actually just a steaming pile of shit. just genuinely makes me so sad.
completely same - he was a HUGE comfort youtuber for me. i'd watch or rewatch series to get through breakups or other life shit. and out of ALL of the content creators that i enjoyed, i'd always go on about i was so glad that my favorite content creator stayed out of drama and was incredibly wholesome. i don't think i've let myself enjoy content like that since this stuff. 😵💫
@@oatmealguysame this one hurt a lot and changed my view on UA-camrs. Not to be dramatic lol just that you realise you can't always clock this shit
@@od3910 yeah, now i keep everything at arms length lmfao. everyone's gotta have their one mildly parasocial view on a content creator that ruins it all
I survived middle and high school because of Cry. I couldn't hurt myself, I had to get to Saturday so I could watch the Late Night Crew. The summer after I graduated is when all this shit came out... it still really hurts. Hearing Cry's voice is so bittersweet. I've had a few dreams about the LNC as a whole since then. I loved his playthrough of The Cat Lady so, so much, and I can never watch it again without feeling sick. I was groomed as a teenager, too. Cry was a safespace for me, and so many other people, and I hate that he's a piece of shit who hurt other people in the same ways I was hurt.
You're not alone there. For me, he was one of the OG let'splayers. I was in high school around 2009 when I first started watching and had always been hooked to his humor and voice. It was good times.
I haven't touched or rewatched a single one of his videos again, not since the big bust. In fact, looking at Dream SMP's avatar makes me feel weird bc it's so strikingly similar to Cry's avatar.
Cry isn’t pathetic because he was mentally unwell. Almost everyone is in some way. He’s pathetic because he took his pain and unleashed it on absolutely everyone around him, with no thought to the consequences. I’m not gonna lie, his struggles with motivation and depression and loneliness are really relatable to me but he took it so far without any care about anyone else. The whole situation is absolutely crushing. It hurts so much to know that if cry never existed a lot of people would be a lot better off.
Eh, i wouldn't be so sure about that last statement. He is a bad person and all his fans agree. But as despicable as he is, it seems a lot of people were grealty helped by his presence during the earliest era of youtube
@@judesliggoo maybe you’re right
I think it’s a double edged sword perhaps his content helped a lot of people get through the day ik for me Adam Kovic and the gang from Funhaus got me through a lot of rough times in highschool despite Adam being a cheating, creepy and disgusting person the content they made and some of his jokes helped me but it was the people he interacted with on a day to day basis in person and online that got burned the same can be said for Cry i think
I don't approve of the cheating but I am in a similar situation as cry was and I am. A person that believes and follows absolute honest so the pple around u can actually help. Because not knowing the full details. Helps no one. And loneliness depression and self hate plus any level of drama wreckless havoc on ur brain and is that a problem. To want. Help to a fundamental level.
Beautfully said.
Cry honestly to this day still has the best playthroughs of SEVERAL games. He was one of the very few Let's Play'ers that actually let the game tell its story and he paid attention. His commentary only added to each one.
These days most channels are constantly talking over dialogue, not paying attention to the story or basic mechanics, and then complain about how confused they are.
Then he threw it all away.
There are still a bunch of great youtubers who let the game tell their story as well as add commentary, but you're right that Cryaotic was one of the earliest ones of that style that actually took off.
Try CJUgames, Chris, he is a small let’s player, mostly horror and he is similar to Cry when he plays. He is funny and calm (mostly) and smart (mostly), he seems like an overall great guy. So far he doesn’t complain or cries about his struggles. He just announces when he took breaks or moved. He uploads every day, except weekends (and sometimes even weekends).
Give it a shot.
I actually believe that CJU deserves much more viewers/subs, because he is genuinely good. And he has no facecam during the play, but before and after to show some of the best reactions during the game and to say goodbye. 😂
Watch christopherodd he’s a good one
I think manlybadasshero is great as well.
Love ManlyBadassHero, he really let's the games take centre stage :D@@00DarkPhoenix00
The worst thing about cry is that it felt like he genuinely was a pretty wholesome dude. More so than a lot of UA-camrs. And so when I heard about what he did or... was, I was deeply disappointed. It felt like the world just got a little more rotten.
For real... I was a very depressed kid back then... There was just something so wonderfully comforting about his channel. I instantly fell in love, I watched so many of his let's plays, listened to all the cry reads. He was hands down my favorite UA-camr/entertainer until all this happened.
He seemed so nice
I think another discomforting thing is that, in hindsight... all the pieces really fell together. What a lot of us probably saw as silly quirks or as him doing a bit, they were actually signs of something more disturbing.
He was the first UA-camr I found myself, and actually enjoyed the content of.
I still remember leaving a hopeful comment on Draxr's channel, on the last stream the LNC did. Immediately regretted it.
@@loveableheathen7441me too, I was the exact same way. I had a lot of comfort watching his videos when I was a kid, but markiplier was a lot better and was ACTUALLY a super incredible human
He actually was my favorite youtuber for so many years starting when I was 14. He was part of the reason I got super into rpg maker horror games and (cringe ik I'm sorry) got super into Undertale. I even encouraged friends to watch his videos because I thought at the time that he was so funny and a chill guy. It's so depressing that those good memories I had of watching his videos are just broken now... such a messed up and unstable guy.
Man, for me, Cry was the first one that stung. His videos and songs were a huge comfort to me back when I was younger, and 2020 feels like a lifetime ago now.
edit: Yes, 2020 was 3 years ago, that's my point. It feels like it's been a decade since his breakdown and shit hit the fan, but it's only been a couple years cuz of all the wild stuff that happened over the last few years. But yeah, I used to watch him when I was a young teenager, and he seemed so wholesome. When I found out he was pan, it was so cool having someone I looked up to be the same as me, and then he turned out to be a creep. I guess I was lucky that I wasn't the type to DM creators or try to get involved, or I could have been one of his victims.
It's only been 3 years since 2020 chill 😂
Same, I even had two of his shirts, really sucks cause I liked those ones
@kingkmtso5107 they legit acted like they were 30 and its been 25 years, then I did a double take on 2020...
I watched his dishonored playthrough like 10 times at least just as background noise, so this totally sucked to find out
@@kingkmtso5107 "2020 feels a lifetime ago now" meaning they know?
Just letting anyone that's looking into this know that Russ is rehosting Late Night Crew again with the other two. He did one stream for halloween and there's plans to do one more for new years. While Cryaotic caused insane amounts of damage, there are still those that rebuilt themselves. Support Russ, Scott, and Snake.
Do you have the link or name?
Imma cuck him. Gotta be easy if Cry pulled his women.
@@corpsebrideishua-cam.com/video/BVNNvkaX9m0/v-deo.htmlsi=OV6SSKBPOkj76LrZ
What are the channel names?
Supporting the worst DBD UA-camr ever 💅
The only youtuber I ever ended up feeling betrayed by. Just pisses me off what he did to Russ, hearing what he had to say gutted me and conclusively buried my desire to be a Cry fan.
Which quote are you referring to?
@@loveableheathen7441 not sure what you mean by quote, but Russ' entire video response - if that's what you mean.
@@komos3719 ohh my bad I misread. Yeah I agree that shit made me cry
Russ commented on this video, updating where they're all at, it's the pinned comment. He seems to be happy now.
@@PremiumReyes2 hey thanks!
When this whole thing was first revealed I felt so betrayed and angry. The mere sound of Cry’s voice made my skin crawl after learning everything. But now it’s just… sad. Hearing him again after all this time was more heartbreaking than I expected. It’s like looking at the ashes where your old high school was. There were some good memories there but mostly it sucked, and you can’t even be glad that it’s gone
Cry went from being someone I could sympathize with to a predator. I disagree that what made him a failure was his inability to do anything with the opportunities he had for success on the internet. I've been there. So depressed that literally nothing could give me enough satisfaction or dopamine to motivate me. A therapist once asked me what kind of life would make me happy if I could do literally anything. I couldn't come up with a single thing. Mental health problems on that level can seriously incapacitate you. HOWEVER, that doesn't excuse his abusive behavior in any way. Especially considering he seemed perfectly aware that what he was doing was wrong and was intentionally hiding it. Severe, untreated (and sometimes even with treatment) depression can make it impossible to care for yourself and be successful in your life and career. It doesn't make it impossible not to prey on others.
This!!! Very well said, I hope this gets more likes
I really appreciate this comment. I also have been in that place, I understand the feeling. But it is such a big leap to become a predator. Mental illness in no way excuses it.
Hope youre doing better now ♥️
@fallenangel3742 I am, thank you! One of the big turning points for me was doing an intense course of DBT group therapy when I was at rock bottom. It focused more on how to manage my symptoms instead of trying to cure the depression and anxiety. I had always thought that approaching it as a chronic illness instead of as something I could fix would be too much like giving up. Instead, the coping mechanism managed to get me enough peace to actually start making progress. I went from the worst I had ever been to almost normal function for the first time in my life in my late 20s. I'm in my early 30s, now, and I'm excited about my life. I didn't know it was possible to feel like this, and now I know why life always seemed so much easier for "normal" people 😅
TLDR: Keep trying different approaches if you have persistent mental illness. You can be in unsuccessful treatment for decades and finally find something that works for you.
@@corvinredacted I feel similarly to you; I struggled through my 20's with depression and manic episodes of behavior; but never did that once spill over to commit a crime or harm someone other than myself. I had been a huge fan of Cry for years, and the emotion he could manage to get behind his voice without even adding a self-cam, and devastated when I learned he was a POS; in addition to another guy I liked that he collaborated with, Boyinaband. There's never an 'excuse' behind harm you do; no matter what harm you're suffering, there's a way to get around it without hurting others.
I grew up in the generation where Pewds, Mark, Jack, Cry and the others were at their peak. Cry was my personal favorite, since I liked his "calm" demeanor and I like where his range and taste of games are more than the others. Hearing Cry's voice again after years in this video makes me cry but also gag. I'm around my 20's now, and I still couldn't forget how harrowing it is to see both the rise and fall of your favorite youtuber. As much as I loved Cry (and I honestly and genuinely still weep for him) for the solace and peace he gave me as a teen through my darkest times like many others did, I hope he goes through hell for his actions.
What he did wasn't okay and will never be okay. Using mental illnesses can not be an excuse for his shitty actions. I honestly feel for his shitty upbringing cause I also had a shitty upbringing myself as well as two mental illnesses, but I can never vouch for using that excuse to ruin both his and other people's lives. He honestly could have gone down a more brighter and peaceful path if he had just sat and took a hiatus to face himself in the mirror to fix that one, broken inner child. He could have gone to therapy. He could have taken a step back and take a breath and excuse himself so he'll be and feel better. But no.
I hope he goes through hell. As much as I have looked up on him and he became my comfort youtuber I could never stand by him. I genuinely hope he's out there getting his shit together, taking in the consequences of his actions, and be so damn sorry.
also to those like me who missed Cry but couldn't face his vids ever again and had the itch of it, I swear ManlyBadasshero is such an amazing youtuber. I found out about him right after this whole fiasco (who honestly became my saving grace) and he has the same vibe as Cry's LP's. He's now one of my favorites and he's pretty funny and really, really chill and focuses more on a myriad of indie horror games, which is pretty cool c:
I think that last part is the cruelest bit of irony. For all Cry feared he would lose his audience, Manly is the proof that if he just kept doing what he was doing, being chill and playing horror games, he could have been successful. That's all people really wanted from him, but he just couldn't help himself but complicate things, make everything so much harder for himself, and stick his fingers into other people's relationships.
I used to love Cry too, and there was a period of time when he stopped uploading on his main where I was really wondering where he went or what he was doing (I didn't follow his social nor do I use twitter/X in general), but I eventually moved on. It's a shame he went full pedo-schitzo, he could have really been something... But, alas, I could say mostly the same for someone like Spoony or Mumkey Jones, and nothing would change. Sometimes, losers are just losers, and there's no happy ending. We just move on with our lives taking what little positives they left behind.
Grew up thinking Cry was just dorky and humble… listening to him again made me realize he was so cringe and defeated
Literally same
physically recoiled at his breakdown it was kinda disturbing
Yeah it’s heart breaking seeing pewdiepie and cry play with each other not knowing what would happen in the future
No wonder the collab fell through@@teamfandomstuckgirl3490
Yeah really, I mean I was in my early 20s and it was 2012, we were all cringe
I remember watching his Cat Lady playthrough and how... _nice and supportive_ he was of the main character, stopping occasionally to talk through heavy topics like self harm, su*cide, depression and _emotionally abusive relationships_ with such tact and care. But I guess that just goes to show that you can have someone who understands or even just parrots good and helpful sentiments but is still themselves a bad and harmful person. Everything he did to his victims was a complete betrayal of what he led his community to believe. Given how easy it was for him to do all that while putting on a supportive or sympathetic face for his audience, I don't think that he could ever or should ever be trusted to come back.
(I edited the last line to say "I don't think" instead of "I don't know" because I realised from replies that it sounds almost like I think Cry should come back. To be clear: I do not want him back. I think that due to the constant pity parties he threw for himself and the young people he emotionally sexually abused he should stay logged off forever.)
Parasocial relationships are a hoot. And no, don't trust people online. Did your parents never tell you that?
All the harm he caused, is due to the control and influence he receives from people like you. It doesn't go any deeper than that.
@@MrYellyThat's a bit of a stretch. Saying someone handled an important topic with tact and that seemed cool is hardly a parasocial relationship.
@@MrYelly Excuse me but you extrapolated _a lot_ more about my "relationship" with this creator than I actually stated. I watched some animations involving him and a few playthroughs. I never saw any of his streams or watched the multiple emotional breakdown videos shown in this essay. I had no parasocial relationship with this man as I didn't even make an account to comment on UA-cam until 2016, but I did think he was a decent person until I realised it was all a lie due to his ability to hide his secrets behind a kind persona. So kindly take your want to ride a victim blaming high somewhere else, thanks. In fact, don't victim blame at all! Do you _really_ believe the kids and teens who were fans of his content are to be blamed for his online pedophilic conduct as a 22 year old man and up? Reevaluate your opinions immediately.
Virtue signalers often turn out to have the filthiest closets.
i completely understand your sentiment, i definitely enjoyed that playthrough and it is so, so unfortunate that it was an act yet it felt so natural. in my personal opinion, i’d like to see what that second proper apology video would look like. however, staying off the internet forever is the best outcome for the victims and everyone involved in the situation.
I've always wondered what happened between him and Pewdiepie. Remembered in one livestream someone asked Felix about it, and he gave a subtle hint of what happened, and he was genuinely upset about it, and especially what came out to the light
Source would be appreciated.
@@ultimaxkom8728 it was a livestream that he did two years ago or so where he went into it a little bit. There's also another video if you search for it where he very quickly skipped Cry's part
"It is what it is"
Having been a mod for his streams circa 2013 and 2014 (from ages 15 to 16) as Red brought me on to mod the offline hours, watching back stuff and going "I was there for some of this" is always surreal.
Bro you gotta start a series talking about your time 😊
@HarlequinHeart16 It would likely just be telling stories from the few times I interacted with him in the Skype group for the mods and complaining about how feral the offline chat were lol
I only turned up for the other three. I'll be frank, Cry is and was a nobody from my perspective - possibly even an annoyance because he interrupted the funny, interesting and skilled personalities that had stellar comedic timing. When Snake was silent for 10 minutes being a monster of a gamer, then he'd finally open his mouth and say something so perfectly timed it was almost accompanied by a drum-roll my sides were sent to orbit. Jund and Russ have a very unique sense of humour, so they'd also hear something that'd send them, and it'd send you too. What he did to Russ and the place he had found for himself - Russ, a truly kind, funny, a bit lonely and shy person - was by far the most atrocious thing he did. He really victimised him, and treated the LNC very shabbily, thinking only about himself. That's my opinion, so you should know that when I say this next part, it is without a single iota of sympathy or bias towards that (from my perspective) truly dull nuisance. Cry was reprehensible, but also a neglected child, a person who also knew he was a lucky charlatan with little to offer - and the fan-girls approached him for entirely selfish reasons, a person that desperately fetishised love and validation - they were the only people that would even talk to him. In this story, Cry doesn't appear to be targeting young women, but any woman that will show him even a crumb of love or interest. He is a selfish, cruel victim, that placed that void he felt before everyone and everything else. That Russ business though? Psychopathic, that.
@00Discourse00 All I can input regarding people wanting to talk to him/having made posts on him was that Ocean was pre-transition (ftm) and a fellow mod when they were talking. Older than me at the time but still a minor. I remember both Ocean and his ex Cheyenne being (the latter extremely) possessive of him. It sucks because, to my understanding, there was some "geek next door" sort of charm to him. But I never saw any of that. Liked his voice and found him through Felix. Few times we spoke he was chill but that certainly doesn't excuse his behavior. Out of the LNC I talked to Zeigsden and Red the most and they were both very sweet.
Hey mama. I was hoping to find a friendly face in these comments. I hope you're thriving these days. ♥️ Cait
Its crazy how respected cry used to be back in the day he was up there with pewdiepie
back then it's always Pewds, Cry and Ken. Then Mark and Jack also started to rise. Ken kinda fell to obscurity just because he focused more on being with his wife Mary and started being more chill, Cry was still really popular until one time he just vanishes and i remember at the time his Late Night community started throwing stuff like "Damn Cheyenne is toxic" but i kinda ignored the whole thing since i don't really follow him.
But Ken still occasionally showed up on Pewds's vids meanwhile Cry seemed distant. Until one time when Pewds was streaming, a guy in chat asked "Why didn't you play with Cry anymore" and he replied "I just didn't hang out with him anymore, some things are better left unmentioned." In which i thought at the time, friendships kinda drift apart over time. until a week later, theres a video about Cry that just blew up. (Oh and this is also sometime around the Mini Ladd drama too)
Hell given how much Pewdiepie fucked up over the 2014-2016 era the bar was so low and he couldn't even handle that.
@@Illier1In hindsight Pewdiepie has a rough set of years lol. He's a strong person
@@RenShinomiya121 ken did a great job navigating his youtube career with whats trending all while maintaining a family
i never liked cry. there is allways something off with people using a puppet or a mascot like cry, you know they allways have skeletons in the closet
You know that the internet is a vile place when you learn that a youtuber groomed fourteen fans and you think "I've heard worse."
It's also a truly amazing and astonishing place
You seen that kitten that dunked itself in its milk?
Pure gold, oh and all the money raised for kids and stuff
And you know that the internet has scoured your soul when that information barely elicits a response beyond "oh, another one."
The internet is a vile place? My guy the internet is just a collection of things from the world outside of it. This is a dumbed down version of some of the stuff you could see just by going outside.
The world is a vile place, the internet just makes it a lot more transparent. What trips me out as a 24 year old who has never watched cry, he honestly had a pretty good life compared to what I've been through and to find out the man was a 31 YEAR OLD talking to underage people this way and preying on their insecurities and the fact that they can relate to him instead of doing what he could to give them guidance and a positive role model disgusts me. I can't believe someone THAT OLD would be crying on livestream to literal preteens. Some people man, I hope all the people who's lives he messed up are doing alright now and I hope all the young teens out there take him as an example to deal with their emotional issues and to take responsibility. Letting your issues out on others, especially young people, does nothing but perpetuate these cycles. It's up to us to breake the habits our parents and role models left us with.
*vile world
The world is the vile place, the internet just helps expose these people more then what real life would do, yes the internet does also help these groomers get to children easier, but still the world itself still made these terrible people. But sometimes the internet itself is the sole reason why a lot people become like this so your not entirely wrong.
Felix, Cry, Mark, and Jack were my UA-cam reprieve growing up. Mostly Cry. Really sad how everything went down. Nowadays I only really watch Mark.
@@Cocedealer almost all the comments are venting what’s the point of choosing ones and being salty
@@emmabenton-rx4lrCause some people just want to be cool. They're not.
Fwiw, Jack's a genuinely lovely guy. Felix also seems alright and has definitely matured despite making some bad mistakes a few years back in his career.
Dodger too. Kept wondering why they never finished their collab.
mark really stayed good (i may eat these words sometime in the future but i doubt it)
I used to be in the Steam Group and I used to watch tons of his videos on UA-cam.
But I'll never forget the stream where everyone was talking shit back and forth while Cry was playing some weird eastern inspired war-boardgame and it was so fucking boring, he didn't talk and the others were basically just carrying the stream while Cry was sitting quiet.
Then Russ said: "Yo Cry, chat wonders why you're being so quiet."
And he just fucking launched into a rant about how he wasn't a puppet dancing for an audience, he was going to play videogames and "have a good time" and that "he was tired of everything."
I don't know how, but my brain just went: "This guy doesn't seem like he appears on his let's plays" and then I just never watched him again; it's like I snapped out of a dream or something and realized that he was kind of a fucking asshole towards everyone and it just didn't vibe with me.
Kinda similar but different for me, I loved his letsplays but just couldn't get into the streams...I think by the time I discovered their streams there must have been some underlying stuff I was subconsciously picking up on, cause they just...felt like they didn't like each other? But they were pretending not to? Snake was the one who I noticed first then a few of the others. I stopped watching after a few cause I just couldn't shake that feeling. I thought it was me and maybe I just didn't understand their vibe...and then that day with the final video happened. Sucks man
@@ginnys.matthias1818 I had the same experience. Used to love watching his lets plays as a teen, then didn't like him on stream and preferred his friends. I just got "he's not the kind of guy I would want to hang out with" and stopped watching. Turned out a lot of us subconsciously noticed things being off with him.
"Im not a dancing puppet"... That sounds like some fake deep shit. Sorry Cry but a stream is a performance at the end of the day.. anyone streaming is effectively a dancing puppet. You dance/entertain then you get a bag 💰. it's simple.
It’s so insane watching manipulators/abusers cry and play victim, even though it’s such an expected behavior it shocks me when they do it every time. Like cry sitting on stream sobbing saying “I hate disappointing people” while wrecking his friends relationship and grooming children is peak freaky manipulative creep behavior
"I've always just wanted to make people happy" 🤨🤨🤨🤨
And then the "apology" bruh. I remember watching that shit and being like "bro drop the facade and come clean you piece of shit".
Legit not a pint of remorse in anything he was saying.
no bro thats the thing they fully believe it too!!!! and that literally makes it almost worse to me cause its like wow you really just cant stop yourself huh, you really dont see people as autonomously important enough to take responsibility over what you really think and how you Really treat them
There are a lot of cases where someone might look like an abuser because they're simply lashing out and against the actual abuser. Gotta be wary of those. But this isn't obviously one of those cases, pretty much as clear cut and dry as you can get.
@@GetFuckedNerds youre correct and that was definitely how his viewers viewed his ex, you can see in the comments when she got on stream drunk with him how everybody was hating on her for saying mean stuff to him... little did they know that he deserved that plus more >_>
At best they have a victim complex that they think justifies their actions in their head. At worst they're just crocodile tears being used to try and get out of being held accountable. However, I imagine it's probably the former here. Someone who wears a mask a lot tends to not be very emotionally stable, as it were. And when someone just blames everybody else for their problems, they tend to keep doubling down because that's all they can do to try and excuse their horrible behavior.
Just hearing his voice again made me cry. Cryaotic was such a huge part of my childhood and such a short of comfort. His betrayal is still to this day the most painful one.
Same here, I had to stop the second they played his voice because it just hurts so bad. I watched his streams almost everyday through college while dealing with a lot on my mind, but then the pandemic hit and this all came out. I was devastated, especially because that twitch community was amazing to be a part of.
Honestly It has been so long since I saw a Cryaotic video that I kinda forgot what he sounded like. Which makes me feel sad.
ye i stopped watching lets plays once i started college and had money to buy my own games. was at some point wondering what happened to Cry and then shortly after this whole thing came out like nooooo not you too 😅😭
I got into so many of my favorite games because of Cry. He’s literally a part of why I like the games I do today, and it’s such a weird feeling knowing he turned out like he did
Agreed. Still the one that hurts the most, still today. I cried so hard the day he uploaded that manic episode video. I made friends thanks to him and felt understood. I felt he was more honest and laidback and really liked him for that. Hell I even had a crush and some of my friends did too. Boy did I not see that one coming. But thanks to that I found another creator in the same vibe just waaay more wholesome: Manlybadasshero. And he is really talented and laidback too. If anyone is interested I really recommend him !
I was a fan of Cry when I was a child. I watched his ōkami play through religiously. As a kid, it’s easy to miss that he always talked like a mental patient because he just sounded like…everyone else during that era of UA-cam. But now that I’m grown, homeboy was UNWELL. Like, probably from the start.
That's something that got me too, like I didn't really watch the Cry Talks, but sheesh how naïve was I as a kid to miss this much??
I'm aware this may be way off topic but if you ever wanted to revisit watching a playthrough of Okami I suggest chuggaconroy's playthrough. The guy has times during his let's play where he shares facts about of japanese mythology and folklore that the game draws inspiration from (dude legit did homework before doing the lets play) , in addition he also gives good advice and strategies on the game.
If you haven't seen chuggaconroy's let's play, I highly recommend it being the best let's play of the game, (the definitive let's play in my opinion .
Sorry about the off topic, I'm jusr very passionate about Okami and hearing about let's plays made me what to share others of good let's plays by other youtubers
Same
God, that Okami playthrough meant so much to me. I just binged it all in one go and it was so comfy. Same with his Bioshock playthrough.
Cry actually was the one who introduced me to Undertale too, which is really fucking weird to think about
@@urheehoo because every mental patient is the same
good job generalizing everything!
If anyone else wants to scratch the itch Cry did in terms of LPs, ManlyBadassHero is an amazing UA-camr. Respectful of the games, has fun, pokes fun, etc.
Manly is those kinda lper that you can almost guarantee won't have a drama due to how non-personal he is. Also specializing on random indie horror games, it's inherently not geared to children
BIG agree, MBH is a legend.
NakaTeleeli is another good choice. His playthrough of Quake with his friend ElementalOgre is great.
Exactly
YES! he’s the first youtuber who gave me such a similar LP vibe
I'm struggling to give a shit about what Cry's saying during his last livestream. "I hate disappointing people" if that were true he wouldn't have been hitting on Russ' girlfriend. "I just wanna make people happy" is one of the most self-pitying phrases around. I can't be fucked to have any sympathy for this guy outside of drunk mother and rotating stepdads. Great video.
Facts How tf is he gonna break down when he did this to himself 💀 image getting mad your actions have consequences
Breaking down when he can't use his pain from his childhood to improve himself. He have so many opportunities
The title of this video is indeed accurate. A failure
imma disagree with the self pitying phrase thing lol just cause I've said that and I wasn't upset or anything I just wanted a friend to understand why I'll drive wherever or buy whatever just so we all can enjoy whatever is going on
@@Cutiepie0111 Maybe because it sank in finally genius...
@@YEETUSDAFEETUScontext is key here
So regrettable, his lets plays were perfect for me. His commentary added to the game's story, not detracted from it, he had a calm and soothing voice, he was funny but also laid back. He let the game shine and his editing only polished it. To bad he couldn't handle popularity or his own base urges.
his content was top tier, such a shame he's an actual scumbag
He definitely had an impact on a lot of people. A champion. But champions fall, and the only thing to do is remember the best of times, and move on.
His voice was obnoxious.
I was around at the time and liked PewDiePie myself but watching clips of him, he sounds like a creep. How can anyone find this voice soothing? Of course hes into minors with a voice like that.
@@VG-fk6nk I watched his let's plays when i was younger and liked his style, he seemed witty and genuinely immersed in the games he played so it was fun to watch. Now though, all i feel is disgust thinking about him and i've not been able to watch any of his videos since it was revealed he preyed on kids. It was so shocking when i first learned of it i was actually legit feeling like i was going to puke for days afterwards. Seriously, i can't feel any joy even thinking about his old content anymore. And he shouldn't be remembered as anything except what he is, an predator.
No wonder his avatar was that smiley, it's the mask he wore at all times so people would like him. Hiding his true absolutely disgusting self.
It’s crazy how Cry was literally the blueprint for Corpsehusband and Dream. A smooth voice that got millions hooked. Thankfully the other two haven’t gone too far off the edge yet but I don’t hold out hope. I used to love his longer horror game playthroughs, shit hurt to hear when he got accused then confessed.
He was. I remember around the time I stopped watching cry (16 or 17) and started watching manlybadasshero. I hope corpse doesn't end up like cry. I haven't really watch dream.
I'd be willing to bet corpse and dream have similar skeletons in their closets
@@Bruh-ok1rq true. I hope for the best but most likely it will be true in one way or another
@@Bruh-ok1rqDream's been proven, Corpse, even if he wanted to, I couldn't arse myself to imagine.
Both of them have me very suspicious. Whether is warranted or not.
Dream’s mask is basically almost the exact same as Cry’s little character. When I first saw fanart of Dream I genuinely thought Cry was actually trying for a comeback. Not saying that part is suspicious. Just a weird coincidence.
Russ is so right! How could you come from a broken childhood where your own mother was cheated on by your step father, an action you hated and resented that man for, and then turn around do the same thing to your friend?!
Same reason that a lot of childhood-abuse victims wind up being child-abusers in their older years.
It's the cycle of abuse, it happens a lot subconsciously
you witness the same pattern of abuse over and over until you do the same thing
Holy shit... Russman's cackle at 53:00 is so bone-chilling. You can *hear* how both relationships Cry took from him absolutely broke him. I hope he, along with all the other victims Cry was communicating with, are doing better now. They didn't deserve any of this.
Imagine having 2 girlfriends that essentially openly cheated on you
Holy fuck dude... it gave me chills...
Man deserved better from his partners and his so called best friend. Russ and everyone else that was a victim of Cry didn't deserve anything that he subjected them to.
100%. I thought the same thing. Hope Russ is doing much better
I thought it was crying at first, really harrowing
Man.
I remember a very heartfelt video Cry made addressed to his newborn niece for her to see in the future. I remember watching that and thinking "Damn. this is a good person."
Lost potential is right. That stings quite hard.
I think about his niece every once in awhile. Although he was a piece of crap who would screw people over without much thought, you could really tell he was invested in making sure his niece had a good life. It makes me sad, because at the time of his downfall, he was basically his family's only financial lifeline. He just bought a brand new house in Florida for all of them to live in. Who knows what happened to them.
I remember him becoming an uncle too! I hope her mother knows enough to keep him far away from her.
@@thaloblue Unfortunately, from what I remember, his sister was leeching lots of money off him. So with the majority of his income drying up, I can't imagine that went well.
OUCH. I completely forgot about about it. I remember thinking it the sweetest thing someone's ever done for a newborn family member. Honestly I kinda hope she never finds the video. It'd probably be for the better.
@@Scrofar Same, sad as it is.
"I don't like to talk about myself"
That sure aged well, Cry.
I will always feel some serious melancholy whenever Cry and LNC is brought up. He was a childhood favorite and I remember loving the LNC's streams, seeing the fanart of the group hits hard.
Cry was a very unhappy person who didn't know how to control his emotions, and lashed out and hurt so many others. He did some foul, disgusting things and is obviously a shitty person that deserves the negative connotations that come with mentioning him nowadays. But I think my inner child will always feel kind of depressed, knowing how him and his group of friends are broken apart because of his selfish and immoral actions.
Well said.
Cry tried to do right, for himself and for others.
But there was no balance for him to strike, so he built an unstable sphere around him and dove into deeper darker corners to escape and/or find purpose.
There's no excusing his actions.
But unlike most youtubers turned pedo/abuser, Cry genuinly didnt mean any pedo/abuse or related actions to happen, nor was it his nature to end up where he ended up.
Cry is not a bad meaning person.
But intention dosnt change anything about the actions one commits.
And Cry messed up.
Cry: "Maybe I'll stop doing that."
Joon: "He will not stop doing that."
This transition deserves a fucking award
I must have missed it, dammit. I'll pay more attention to the transitions when I eventually re-watch because that sounds pretty great, in a morbid kind of way.
@@mikeexits 26:51
Arrested Development style.
bro turned into jcs 😂
I can break these cuffs.
"This is just gonna be a chill birthday stream, okay guys? Let's get this party started!"
6 minutes later.
"It's all falling apart, the sun never shines on my house and I'm in a downward spiral. Fuck everything!"
That was certainly a depressing birthday. Guess I'll pour one to a dead homie.
I'm so sorry for your loss. May they rest in peace.
@@itme8622 rest in pieces* cry deserves to go to cell block 1 as kendrick would say lol
Cry's breakdown really hit me hard. I lost a family member around my last year of high school. It hit me bad. My grades tanked, I barely graduated, and I didn't do anything for yaers. 'I'm 30 years old and I haven't even started my life', a sentiment I'm worried I'm going to share. I just started college at 25, and I feel guilty for doing nothing with my life out of high school. I have no sympathy for a pedophile. But I worry about ending up like this. I'm hoping I can 'start' my life and turn it around.
hey, no ones timeline of their life looks the same! congrats on starting college 🎉
Your story actually gives me comfort. I lost my dad right at the end of Highschool. Threw a wrench in everything. It’s been over a year and I’m still struggling to get on with my life. I hope I can be like you and eventually get ahold of myself.
Hey, if you read this: I'm 29 and I just graduated. Lets look at tit this way... when you look back 20 years from now when you're 45, you'll remember you were a young person just starting their life with the freedoms of an adult. How about now? You were a little kid who couldnt even drive.
Your adulthood is just beginning! You havent wasted anything!
Jesus, I thought you were talking about me here. What you described is literally my life. I also just started college at 25. Cheers to better years to come!
Pedophile, really? He was 20 something and was having sex with 16 year olds. Here in Finland that's the age of consent and is pretty normal.
This fucks me up because i remember following Cry through his rise to popularity. Legit I can remember seeing his creepy pasta readings JUST being uploaded and sharing them with my friends at school. I was captivated back then with his voice and the emotion he could put into it. Insane as an adult now to listen back and hear how he spoke and what he did. He literally speaks like a manipulator.
Cry and Dodger’s Dandelion series on her channel was my emotional support series for several years. After the drama came out I tried rewatching it again and it just wasn’t the same. It’s very deeply depressing to have something I cherished for years suddenly tainted.
There’s this one part from the playthrough I remember specifically where the main love interest is being textbook abusive and Dodger comments that this is an abusive relationship cycle and Cry affirms that and says “Ladies: Don’t let a man treat you like this. Ever.” It really… sits strange now knowing what we know.
Oooofff, I just remembered that...
@@namelessliberty9869What makes me feel worse is that when the drama happened on Twitter she said she felt sick being associated with him because she (nor any of his friends or collaborators) knew nothing and was told Chey was just some crazy ex girlfriend.
wow you just took me back! i was obsessed with that series in high school and heartbroken they never finished it!
For me it was cox and cry play resident evil 6 it was such a comfy hilarious playthrough that when the pandemic started that was the series i went to for comfort halfway through rewatching that series the allegations came out and it hit hard man, the place i went for comfort turned to shit.
As a 22 year old now I can't even understand why someone my age would be dating a 16 year old. It's disgusting.
Edit: The amount of you who are excusing his actions and talking about age of consent is gross.
Sounds like something a pedo would say
@@marceelino Here in the US, 16 is the legal age of consent, so it isn't "horrible" in law terms, but it's still pretty looked down upon by most people for an adult and a minor to be in a relationship. Whether it fits within the law or not
@@marceelinofreak behavior
As a 19 year old I cant imagine dating a 17 year old those people are such creeps
It's even more creepy that 16yo old in US looks older than in EU.@@marceelino
It sounds like Cryaotic is a classic example of the "Cycle of abuse", growing up likely never learning how to deal with emotional issues and needing validation so desperately he'd go to extremes for it.
Not excusing anything he has done, but I do think it's depressing to see that the dude didn't get the help they needed in time.
yeah no absolutely. it was just kinda.. sad watching this video because i've seen (and met!) people that've broken that cycle of abuse, but some just... don't. i don't know why. i don't think anyone can really know why. but fuck, it's vaguely depressing to see someone so complicated and troubled sink further into the darkest parts of themself. people tried again and again and again to give him an out, to help, to do whatever else. but for whatever reason he just didn't take it. he pulled so many others down with him and it's sad, man.
You’re not excusing his issues at all, you’re just making a point, and honestly this is how we need to look at these issues because it’ll help prevent future cases
@@maldacahMost people who don’t break that cycle are stuck in internal limbo of the past, coupled with deep self-loathing of themselves. Idk how to articulate it, but that kind of deep rooted mindset is very hard to get out of, especially if the person themselves don’t want to change and the get help they need. It’s more complicated, but you get what I mean.
@@boodledemic6430no. its not about mental health its about perversion and predatory behavior and quite frankly we should not feel any sympathy for that disguting subhuman behavior. man is a literal pedo. i have no sympathy for his deplorable actions. hes had every opportunity in the world to improve and in the end he faced no real consequences despite comitting very real crimes. its disgusting. honestly its so disgusting to see so much sympathy for a pedo in these comments. this is the sympathy his victims deserve
Plenty of people have bad upbringings and don't become pedophiles. He could've had a great childhood and fame/money still would've led to this same depraved behavior.
Y'know, there's something else I noticed. I share my experience with the deep sense of betrayal and disappointment and all. But as an impressionable preteen, coming from a chaotic and LOUD house, hearing his low voice and general calm demeanor and vibe gave me a real false illusion. Because even when he clearly showed bursts of anger or mental instability, hearing all that in a relative calm tone gave me a false sense of "not seriousness", as in, "if he's saying stuff calm like that, he MUST have a grasp on his internal conflicts, emotions and, most of all, mentality and ideals. Wow, so mature". Because of that I often didn't question anything that came from him and had him in this pedestal of wisdom. If the same things were said and done by a more loud person (as I was used) perhaps I wouldn't have laid so much trust in him
I dont think Cryotic, at least back then, did those things as an intentional manipulation tactic...
But you are of course correct that it was very effective later when he had to hide and manipulate the minefield that he built himself in.
Which made him very dangerous.
@@ethribin4188 oh, yes I agree. Absolutely, I don't think that he did that intentionally for a moment, however it did serve in his favor and that is something that influenced me, is all I'm saying
Agreed. Interesting!
Remember guys: AS SOMEONE WHO IS TRAUMATIZED, trauma is not an excuse to be a piece of shit 💙
Edit: the fact that you guys think "don't be an asshole" is a hot take is beyond me. Touch grass
Same goes for other things like mental health issues or periods, the sooner people learn that you're still a POS if you abuse someone no matter your current situation, the sooner people will learn to not put up with abuse.
Can confirm. Specailly in relationships (I come from one and iy was horrendous)
Guys. Never, ever try and play psychology with someone just because you have a crush on them. That "I can fix them" is not going to get you nowhere. Don't go down that path. Absolutely not worth it. Stay safe.
While you are right, trauma sometimes is a or the reason why some people are straight up disturbing or even horrifying
But sometimes it always is ^-^
@@podled942your still a piece of shit if you enact on these feelings from trauma.
I haven't gone back to look at any of Cry's stuff since all this stuff "settled" but I never realized that his godawful (self-flagellating/"I'm sorry for being such a shithead"-esque, hypocritical, manipulative, performative, etc.) behavior revealed in his victims' dms were pretty much *always* present in his videos and streams.
He tried to make *his* issues everyone's problem and fucked up a lot of decent people by doing so.
I used to watch Cry as a kid. Then, when I was 14/15 I started to realize what an actual shitbag he was -- false sense of ego, manipulating his fans through constant sentiments of "I'm SuCh a PiEcE of ShiT guYs, WhY dO yoU evEn wAtCh mE' while simultaneously and slyly encouraging them to treat him like a god, etc.
For lack of a better term, he's a fucking loser. To have such a dedicated audience and treat them like garbage is such a nonce thing to do. I've never understand the people that blame his behavior on mental health; yeah, it serves as a partial explanation but NOT an excuse.
And it's so messed up because as a child or a teen, you're unaware of how manipulative it is even though it's so obvious. Thankfully, I always found it weird how people obsessed over Cry, or labeled him as a victim so often, even though he shows some very weird tendencies that turned out to be worse than we imagined.
Ehh, I see it as a cry for help. (Not the grooming related stuff.) Self-flagellation can be as genuine as self-destructive stoicism. I fall into the later category most of the time. I let myself rot because needing others is bad and people figuring out you're failing is shameful. It's a toxic way to think. I think self-flagellators are just reaching out in the wrong places or to the wrong ppl. I'm not so offended by that aspect. (Again, not including the grooming in this in case that needed to be repeated.)
@@Awesomeficationifyno
@@Awesomeficationify you don't make cries for help to your audience of children
The revelation of Cry's true character really hit me man. His videos got me involved in so many games and communities, some of which I'm still in. Nier, the Witch's House, the Cat Lady, Telltale's the Walking Dead. So, so many wonderful games and memories... started by a creep. It still hurts a little.
The witch's house & Rule of rose, walking dead were some big ones for me I looved crys playthroughs still hurts man I remember looking forward to more playthroughs
@@starfiresreign A good alternative UA-camr for calm voice and indie games is ManlyBadassHero. Feels weird to recommend him under a video like this, but he filled the void when Cry stopped making lets plays.
Naw man here ya go…. Berleezy. He played
- TWDTG
-Wolf among us
-corpse party !!! This was my fav cry series bro berleezy killed this play through
I know there’s some others but he’s so positive and funny as hell and he works really hard to be consistent. One of the funniest communities on YT by the way. I liked Cry because he was savage sometimes. Didn’t know he was also so traumatized by life that he couldn’t mentally handle YT fame and went to on to traumatize everyone that ever loved him, all the fans that nervously move on to other communities hoping this fate won’t be repeated.
So true. He played the coolest and most unique games. Dreamfall and Dreamfall Chapters is one of my favorite games beacuse of cry and i followed him for years playing that series. And dude fucking Folklore is my shit because of him. It really does fucking suck and hurt to still enjoy these games but with a heavy and sad catharsis.
@@i.cry.sometimes18 It sucks, because even to this day, it's hard to find a content creator who plays those weird games. They're definitely out there. But Cry was always willing to dive into a really weird, obscure, controversial title, a decade before anyone else did. His playthrough of Fragile Dreams was especially memorable, because that game is so rare and impossible to play, since it's never gotten any re-releases, and is only available on the original Wii console. Same with Rule of Rose. His videos are a weird form of game preservation, as it shows an honest, straightforward playthrough of games that are so difficult to acquire now.
My jaw dropped when I got to the "dating a 16 year old as a 22 year old" part of the video that's supposed to be BEFORE any controversies happened, like holy shit
It's sad scrolling through these comments and reading about how disappointed everyone was by this. Y'all just wanted to support a dude you thought was sweet, wholesome, and chill. Which is in itself very sweet. You're all good kids. ):
Bruh its hilarious mfs say he needs help but thats the best part avoyt growing up and becoming an adult you see there is no help for these sick fucks cause there's no concequences for them. Fuck his fans trying to help him they need to grow up and see it at this point
I just wanna be nice. He strived to radiate as much positivity and sweetness as he could and I tried to do the same, only to find out he'd been lying from the beginning. Well, I wasn't. I'm still not; and I won't let a shitty guy who tricked me make me feel bad for trying to be a nice person.
@@kattastic9999 I think it is more complicated than that. I would assume that cry really and honestly wanted to be the person he pretended to be but he was emotionally unable to not engage in the cheating and grooming stuff. This in turn lead into his self-hatred and the downwards spiral, similar to a drug addict who honestly wants to quit but simply can't. So I rather feel pity for him in some way which I would not if he would just be the type of lying, psychopathic asshole that ridicules the people he betrays behind their backs. I.e. he is rather broken than evil.
@@vampir753 Honestly I think you're right, but that's almost worse.
@@kattastic9999 Kind of, the question is what could he do at this point to rehabilitate himself? Even if he would be 100% honest about all of it now, would his community accept him again or would there enough haters remain to make it impossible for him to continue? Is he even still alive? I am almost always for giving people a chance to move on and I think from what i have seen in this video about him he probably deserves a chance.
His Cat Lady playthrough is what helped me realize I had depression when I was a kid and I was able to get the help I needed after that. The fact he was always pulling this shit sours that memory for such an important time in my life
I got into the game because of him
The same. I got into the game because of him, but barely watch it since I wanted to play it for myself. Taught me a lot about depression and the traps of self deprication. Knowing who Cry really was kind of sour my experince, but just like Eye of Adam, its probably best to just let him be forgotten.
Cry was one of the few content creators that I can confidently say I actually watched. I never gave a sh*t about many of the old-school youtubers. But Cry was one who I actively watched and appreciated because he gave me a small bit of joy that I never really had as someone who went through parentification or whatever. When I found out that Cry had groomed and had hurt so many behind closed doors, it absolutely destroyed me emotionally.
I just worry for the people who'd been hurt. I know personally how much this really destroys someone mentally, emotionally, and sometimes even physically. I hope that everyone who has been hurt are doing better now. This never heals fully, but you can learn to live with it.
This video shows two sides of a person growing up in a terrible household, from one side, Cry, who eventually lets the house break them, and Russ, who sees the house as a problem, and strives to rise above what they once lived through and be better
Man I remember finding out about this. “Man I miss cryaotic” “oh dont, he’s a groomer” “WHAT”
Super upsetting to see someone I looked to when I was in a shit mindset turning out to be a PoS. That shit was rough.
Fair.
Also lol, the amount of times you said shit
I found out about this a couple months after it happened. I wasn't an avid watcher of him, but I enjoyed his content enough to have an alarm for his streams even if I didn't always watch. I was making an offhand comment about cry reads and none of my friends ever understood. My bf did tho and we were talking about cry and we decided to look him up to see how he was doing. Lo and behold I see all these groomer stuff and drama happening. Really depressing considering I actually really liked some of his content and his collabs with pewds. I stayed up watching their collabs, stifling my laughter so I didn't get in trouble.....
@@infinitymocha I saw a video where someone asked Felix why he didn’t do things with Cry anymore and his reaction was so heartbreaking 😭 I can’t imagine finding out your friend is Like That
@@shadowsoul720 Twice?
I remember I was horrified when I found out, I didn't watch him a lot but I loved the old video where he played prop hunt or something.
It's been years since I found out of what Cry did and it still hurts. I grew up watching and listening to this man when I was around 13 and he was part of my childhood. I'd watch streams and late nights, vods, every video he made, and watch others he's interact with. Finding out he's a degusting human still left a hole in my chest.
Oh man, this really hurts to watch. This is hits home with an old "best friend" of mine who had very, very similar issues: Lack of purpose, no motivation, no commitment, fucked sleep schedule, fucked family situation, no friends, loneliness, depression - the whole spiel. But there seemed to be a sliver of hope, a new purpose for him, entering his life when I met my back then girlfriend and introduced the two. They got along well, and grew really close since she also had mental issues and they could relate on that, among other things. And guess what - he did not hesitate to ruin everything he had (though not much, he did have two really close friends who would stand by his side, even with all of his issues) to take the shot and make her the center of his existence. By shittalking me behind my back and actively ruining our relationship, he took advantage of her emotional hurt from breaking up and they ended up getting together. A failing failure tends to drag others down with them..
Inspect your "friends" closely. Some people are not ready for friendships, and they sure as hell aren't ready for relationships.
"Some people aren't ready for friendships." The problem with this is that if a person has both no friends and mental health issues, most of the mental health issues can be traced to the no friends or are made worse by the no friends.
When I had depression, I would have had depression anyway, but the symptoms were definitely made worse by the lack of people my own age to talk to.
Had a friend the exact same way, same symptoms, and same behavior, got a girlfriend (whose married btw and old enough to be his mom) and threw our entire friendship away when I thought it was kinda weird and warned him dropping out of college was a bad idea when he had free tuition. Instead of listening to me or just accepting I didn’t approve of his choices but loved him like a brother anyway just cut me off and to this day tries to paint me the bad guy and shit talk me to anyone he comes across. In retrospect I realized he was never my friend, I was just someone to give him attention and now that he found it elsewhere he didn’t need me. You really never know who the users are gonna turn out to be.
When you grew up starved of real care, you cling to whoever is the first person who genuinely consistently care for you & understand you. They'll be like your savior, put on a pedestal, and you'd be devastated at the thought of losing them. Unfortunately, it's not a behavior that one can really avoid through mere warnings. Experience is the greatest - and sometimes the only - teacher. That's my experience as a recovered maladaptive obsessive & love-starved person. I'm sorry that you had to experience the (shit)storm that the broken people have brought with them. It can't be denied that it will do damage and leave scars on the people around them.
His "i can't respond to every email" rant reminded me of yandev 💀
His okami videos were one of the biggest comfort series for me on youtube, hearing about how much of a creep he is was shocking
same here!! hes the reason okami is one of my favorite games now:(
Same here. I found out and fell in love with Okami because of his series
He introduced me to Undertale
It was The Cat Lady for me
Me too. It's so disgusting thinking that when I was a young girl I looked up to him when I could've been someone who could've exploited someone like me.
Hearing him talk about his upside down sleep schedule gave me a major wake up call. I am trying to get over that too and it has me feeling like shit consistently. Not saying any of this to justify his actions, they were horrible of course. I feel like this gave me a glimpse into my future if I continue sleeping like this, as mental health can surely accelerate and amplify mental health issues. I think I'm sleeping early tonight.
The thing is, it's absolutely possible to make that work: there are a LOT of jobs that you can get that are night shifts only, there's always SOMETHING open to shop at, and you can still talk to people in the late evening and make plans, even join friends for dinner as your breakfast. It's not the timeframe that's the problem, it's the stability: if you can keep your sleep schedule CONSISTENT, then you can make it work.
@@kattastic9999adding onto that: if you go with a night schedule make sure to get your vitamin D either theough vitamins or a good "sun"light machine
It's been a few days, are you doing better? Hope the best for ya!
@@kattastic9999It really depends on the person. Also night shifts can make a lot of people miserable because you miss out on seeing people. Not to mention, lack of vitamin D can suuuper amplify mental health issues.
If it works for some people that's great but I wouldn't reccomend it to a depressed person at all
haha same here but I'm actually pulling an all nighter because my sleeping schedule is far too gone down the drain lol
Cry and Markiplier were my go to Lets Players when I was a teenager. I really liked that they focused on the storylines in the games and didnt talk too much over the dialog. I stopped watching them so much as I grew older but would watch their things once in a while. Where Markiplier would up load regularly, Cry would not. And then this news broke out. Talk about one extreme versus another.
Except you can hear Mark being genuine while Cry legitimately sounds different in personal calls, showing his persona as completely disingenuous. Even his crying sounds like he's purposefully speaking in a higher pitch, despite the fact that most men don't have as much range in their pitch when crying. It tends to only go up a couple octaves. He went from screamo lead singer to sounding like a transexual who's been on estrogen. That's not normal lol. I don't have anything against you liking his content before, I'm just surprised how so many people didn't see through him.
@@jasonbliss6030 I'm pretty sure cry's voice sounded so low just because he never seemed to be speaking in normal volume, while when one is overwhelmed with emotions, they speak louder and thus more high pitched. Additionally, he could have some sort of disorder that would cause manic episodes, making his mannerisms and voice unpredictable at times, that doesn't mean it's disingenuous. Imho, he was a desperate man trying to be happy but not knowing how, actively chasing the quick hits of dopamine rather than steadily improving his life. Unfortunately for everyone involved, he dragged people with him. (Side note just fyi: trans women don't get a higher voice due to Estrogen, they go through voice training to learn how to reach higher notes. It's also why you can see some cis men pull off really good girl's voices, it's all training, unlike trans men whose voice deepens on Testosterone. Fun fact of the day I suppose?)
@@yotashiprokou7283 Youre right, it only stops the voice from getting deeper so it would have to be used from an early age to prevent a lower pitch, good catch. I still believe he sounds disingenuous personally. I've been wrong before, but his actions make me feel as though I was right this time. We all perceive differently, I just can't hear genuine emotion. It feels too controlled and inconsistent to me. Cheers though stranger
@@jasonbliss6030 It doesn't stop the voice from getting deeper that's more so the job of testosterone suppressants.
I'm learning a lot about hormones today.
Maturing is looking back on cry and coming to the conclusion that he’s literally got the persona of a discord mod
Cry’s channel feels like a desecrated throne in a ruined castle, ever being taken over by the sprawling overgrowth.
Now the rains weep o'er his hall.. and not a soul to hear...
No roses, only thorns like needles
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Overgrown by Dream's trashier growth in popularity surrounded by even more children.
@@ZamrayzRayzoray I don't know what's worse. Him or dream. I never watch dream but i grew up with cry and he is the person that give pewdiepie nickname pewd.
Damn, i haven't heard crys voice since i was 16, before everything came out. This totally has ruined my childhood. I hope that justice is served for his horrid actions.
This whole thing ruined my childhood as well. It was a shock the last time I attempt to revisit his channel only to see that final Cry talks video. Never watch anything related to him since, until this video.
I was surprised it hurt so much, Hearing everything coming out slowly with more evidence was just... awful and I feel for everyone involved. Very bummed out about it
same i used to watch his videos all the time and it’s been so long i never even thought he was capable of this but i hope he does get proper punishment for his irrevocable actions
Don't kid yourself, absolutely nothing will happen to him. Doesn't matter if every single accusation is true, it needs to be proven beyond reasonable doubt to count in court.
At this point, would they even pursue it? It’s been so damn long since it’s happened
This hurt bad. I grew up watching Cry and fell off of it after I turned 14 or 15.Then as an Adult I decided to see how he was doing, completely oblivious to what had happened. When I found out I think a small part of my inner child died then. The music he used at the end of his videos basically cultivated what my taste in music is today, along with my sense of humor. Its a shame that now I have trouble sharing that with people after what he did. Its shameful.
tasty network and monstercat, i remember. i think tasty has since died after cry stopped posting their youtube links in the description
Don’t feel guilty about others very different actions..
Every person is a regular civilian and a part of society..
People have choices where they can take up a career that changes their title..
Or commit a crime that changes their title..
And even then they only gain the criminal title after finally being caught..
All you saw was the civilian part.. the good sides of someone.. Just because you were motivated by the good side doesn’t mean in any way we’re you motivated by the darker side of the person, which you admit yourself you were completely unaware of..
Tell me about it, his play throughs of Corpse Party and Fragile Dreams were my favourite videos ever, I feel deeply betrayed :/
As much as I kind of hate to say it. The fact it's been as long as it has and no one has said anything in regards to Cry or the situations. He may have "opted out" as they say. He was 31, still living at home, mental health issues, no real friends, no type of healthy schedule what so ever, deep emotional problems. Then he loses the one thing he had, his online life and persona. Essentially being erased off the internet from Twitch, UA-cam, etc. The way he had already been declining mentally and then everything exploding in his face. I wouldn't be surprised if it got to him in the end.
I used to watch HELLA cry growing up. His collabs with Pewds were my favorites. I remember so many nights as a teenager going to bed with his let's plays on. He was soothing in a chaotic household I was growing up in. I fell off keeping up with everyone for years after I got out of highschool. One day I thought "I wonder what been going on with these people I used to watch" Everyone like Pewds, Ken, Marikplier, etc were all doing good, having families, getting big on youtube, but I couldn't find anything on Cry and I noticed everyone stopped collabing with him years prior. So I went to his channel and just got side swiped with confusion. Hearing the last 2 videos he had posted, then reading all the comments below, slowly piecing things together, looking up things on Twitter, UA-cam, sort of deepdiving, and my heart sank. One of the youtuber's I found to be most relatable, soothing, funny, and enjoyable to watch turned out to be someone I needed to stay FAR the F away from. I am currently 29 and the thought of someone my current age going after me when I was 15, 16, 17 using their online persona and fandom to gain traction on me freaks me out. I feel so bad for the victims he used, cheated on, lied to, and the friendships he utterly didn't seem to give a ish about at the end of the day.
He destroyed all his friendships through lies, and infidelity. There is a part of me that considers with his background, child hood, mental health. That MAYBE there was a part of him at the time that really didn't see what he was doing was wrong, or that he couldn't comprehend the situation he was participating in, but eventually he did, and I think once he realized all of the bad things that happened to him in his youtube career were because of him. There is a part of me wondering if he could even cope with it. Like he tried to continue his streaming and posting on youtube like things weren't as bad as they actually were, or like he REALLY thought his actions weren't that bad cause he never actually got physical with anyone, or whatever the case may be. Him realizing "Oh sh-t it really IS this bad...there are a LOT of people suddenly exposing a bunch of things I said to them... people are connecting dots... people are asking too many questions that I don't know how to answer, if I am honest everyone will hate me anyway, but they seem to already hate me, so whats the point?"
I think the pressure of owning up to everyone, everything he has done over the years was just too much. Which is why he never ended up posting a follow up video, or even stream, or anything. He couldn't face ALL the consequences and cries for answers on some serious allegations at once. If he was potentially investigated by the FBI for messing around with minors or what not, that could be another reason we never got an update since. Depending how legit any of it actually was. But yeah regardless... It is really sad to see how 1 person SO many people grew up with and looked up too had destroyed so many lives and affected so many people in ways I am sure still occasionally affect them.
I watched Cryaotic back when RPG horror games were a big thing. I really liked his playthroughs. I always thought he was a genuine person who cared about people and talked about suicide and depression and he seemed like he wanted to help people. So when the news came out, even I was shocked and saddened by it and I didnt even idolize him the way his serious fans did. He was the last youtuber I expected to do something like this.
Man I miss watching rpg maker games, I hope they make a comeback someday
Because you're a bad judge of character. I always couldnt stand him and knew he was off
So many old creators revealed to be absolute creeps but none of them hurt as much as what Cry turned out to be. Like he was genuinely one of my favorite youtubers, his voice was always so calming to me, and his style of let's plays was just more enjoyable to follow along than others. But after hearing about him, I can't even stand to revisit a single video of his. It hurts more because he had such a good "wholesome" reputation. And I know it's stupid to put your blind trust on a UA-camR for god's sake, but I was a child back then and I grew up with his content. Like imagine if the dude from Blue's Clues turned out to be a murderer, that's how it felt to me. Just so disappointing. I feel so bad for his victims and I wish he was found out sooner. What a shitty dude
Trust no male
@@everythingallatonce321 Trust, love and respect no female.
^^^^ you both need therapy
Have a healthy amount of respect and skepticism for both genders.
@@everythingallatonce321...why not? :(
The part about Russ and "Angel" kinda weirds me out too, in a way. Like he only ever said he had a crush on her, not that they were actually an item. She chose to date someone else, yet it comes off like he felt like he owned her, and she was already his just because he had a crush. That doesn't obligate her to like him back or date him, even if she flirted with him or something. Like I've been there, thinking you might become a thing with someone and they start dating someone else especially someone you're close with, it sucks and it hurts. But she was free to pick whoever she wanted to date. You don't get to call dibs on a person or anything.
Still shitty to go for someone a supposed best friend is into though, especially after doing that with his last relationship, not trying to say Cry didn't do a hurtful thing there.
I've thought the same thing about that too. It is her decision
@@Topgear2006 Glad I'm not the only one! Like he didn't steal her from you or ruin a relationship, she just chose a different option that wasn't him. Sucks, but that's life
@@MariaThePotterNutshe was literally talking about fucking hin over text, not sure how it can get any more serious. But victim blame the person who got abused more.
@@BioshockDrillbeing sexual over dms does not mean you’re in a relationship or serious in any way. Talking and confirming that you are together does. Very immature
yea thats what i was thinking too
I cannot help but feel bad for Russ. I understand how he feels ENTIRELY, and I'm sure a lot of us can. Poor dude deserved someone good. Hope who he is with is treating him good, and doesn't break him furthermore.
Dude was a pedofile.. you do not infact have to defend a pedofile my man
For real, possibly the second biggest takeaway I'm getting from this is that I really hope Russ gets better days ahead of him. He seemed like nothing but a fun, friendly person to hang out with from the start, and he's just been having all this shit thrown at him his entire life. He really does deserve better.
I also have found a lot of respect for Snake since all of this has come out. Not that he didn't deserve respect before, but I've come to be in contact with his content much more since then, and he seems like a great guy too.
russ had always been my favorite from the late night crew because i could tell he was a funny and genuinely nice guy :) i hope he's doing good because he truly deserves it
@@geckopecko you hope the guy that grooms children.. is doing well.. Jesus christ you people are sick its okay to be a pedofile aslong as you are famous...
Furthermore, didn't Russ comment here? I don't see his comment anymore so i wonder if he deleted it or maybe it's just buried further down (but unlikely)
Seeing all these images and hearing these names feels like finding an old, decayed stuffed toy in the back of a closet. Loved long ago, now rotten and can never be looked at the same. My heart goes out to Cry's victims, fading to obscurity is too good a punishment for him.
A clapped situation all around. Man had the people at his beck and call for being a real one, only to be lying to himself as he fucked around toyed with people's lives for his own gratification. Still him being cast away, racked with guilt and shame having burned every last bridge, never to hold anything close again.. Not really sure any punishment could be more torture than being in his position rn. Just hope for all the victims sake they've been able to continue forward in life without being shackled to the past due to that sick man's involvement.
Worse, is like finding out the old stuffed toy is a net of spiders and they're currently birthing as you clean it.
People really do tend to call for excessive punishment. Like having something you built up for over a decade collapsing in an instant permanently somehow isn't enough. Even sounds like some of them went to take legal action, but as Cry never got physical or monetary with any of the people, there really isn't much to do. I typically don't condone potentially driving someone to suicide, so I try to look at things as objectively (and dryly) as possible instead of drafting messages about how horrible they are and that they deserve worse. I was actually expecting some sort of news along those lines due to the bashing he was getting when it all came to light. Still not sure he hasn't, honestly.
But I also never really got the whole celebrity thing, e- or otherwise, so perhaps others can empathize with it more than me. I don't get enamored by them and I have no interest in their personal life or even really their professional life, so I don't really understand why minors would give Cry their phone numbers to begin with. I also lived with a twin sister who, at 16, made many horrible decisions but absolutely knew better, which also perhaps adds to my jadedness. 16-year-old me didn't understand her awful decision making, at the very least.
In high school, I would stay up to watch late night with Cry and Russ and loved his channel. This was a real heartbreaker
damn how old are you?
His stream permanently altered my sleep schedule. I still get the urge to stay up into the wee hours on Saturday nights.
@@shelby5809I personally skipped out on his livestream era but remember it well, and I’m 23 if that’s any indication lmao. I’m thinking OP is probably a similar age?
@@shelby5809I personally skipped out on his livestream era but remember it well, and I’m 23 if that’s any indication lmao. I’m thinking OP is probably a similar age?
@@shelby5809I'm 25
It feels like thinking of an old ex and re living the good memories and missing them and then remembering the horrible things they did and the way they hurt those around them and you realize again that there’s a reason they’re gone
I think this one affected me the most. In high school, I watched him religiously and enjoyed his calmer nature when it came to horror games. I stopped following him when he chose to stream. not because of anything, just a growing disinterest in gameplay channels. When all of this came out, there was so much hurt. It made me question if my idolization of him, my initial assumption of his character was all a lie. In which it was. My heart goes out to his victims and to his former friends.
Cry was such a comfort youtuber for me growing up, he was like my safe space away from a lot of the things I was going through as a teen. Watching his playthroughs got me into a lot of different games that are some of my favorites now (like catherine and wolf among us), and I would always have a playthrough that I can rewatch over and over without getting tired of it (cry n cox play re).
Getting the notif for the video where he comes out about everything made my heart drop, I hadn’t watched him in a while before this so having this be the first thing I see / hear about him was not what I expected. I was devastated, he’d hurt so many people and showed no signs of remorse.
Hey!, I'm sorry you went through so much i really hope you are in a better place now!. :)
Looks like we're on the same boat. I'm sorry.
Cryotic brought upon the "youtubers actually being child predators" phase of UA-cam. Truly an online pioneer
Do they turn out to be that way because they never grew up and they never really had healthy attention, so when they have it they're just more likely to abuse it?
@@emilyau8023 bit of both for sure
@@emilyau8023 It has a lot more to do with the effect of fame/wealth than upbringing. Having power over an audience of underaged girls that worship you.
@@TheBakerZeni feel like they were always predators, just with fame were allowed to abuse their power and know that because they’re popular, there’s still going to be people who like them
also bc it’d be really hard for the victim to speak up abt it if the person has a large and deeply dedicated fan base
I remember i took a break from him once i got to freshman year of high school just bc i got into other different interests and what not. After i graduated i got all nostalgic and started rewatching and catching up on new videos and livestreams from him. Literally the day after that he uploaded The final video. Felt kind of like a cruel cosmic joke. lol.
This was the one major UA-cam allegation incident that really hurt me. My older brother and I were big fans of him starting around the time I was 11 and my bro was 17. My bro had just started getting into watching livestreams; Late Night Crew was one he raved about. I loved the Cry Reads series and many of his playthroughs. It was over a decade ago that I became a fan of him (which is insane to think about.) His voice had a soothing quality that I haven't found in any creators since. I really feel that he was a major precursor to current creators like Dream and Corpse. It is unfortunate that he let everyone down with his atrocious conduct; he had a great deal of potential before he fucked it all up.
Similar experience for me regarding Mumkey Jones. Dude seemed pretty alright if not straight up an alright person giving an empathetic take of subjects some people didn't dare to set foot in.
Then at the height of his career and life he decided to cheat on his girl and enable a pedophile then go on and on posting mental breakdowns online while alienating his friends and family.
Disappointing.
@@tobiyoarcangelYou know he's back under a new UA-cam account, right? It's SimianJimmy
@@iemier Making vastly inferior content (last time I checked) and being somebody I can barely stand after the debacle. It's disappointing, mate, kid could've been an example...now he's an example on how not to behave.
@@tobiyoarcangel I completely agree, it's honestly just really disappointing that everyone else disregarded what he did and welcomed him back with open arms.
@@iemier I don't think they did, his career certainly mostly died or at least it ain't what it used to be, people laugh at him like a total lolcow, and most of his friends dipped except just a couple, right?
I still remember the sinking feeling I felt in my stomach as I read through the screenshots of messages he'd been sending to underage fans, to literal children who thought he was amazing and wanted to be friends with him. But the one thing I remember so strongly was seeing one non-binary person tweeting asking for advice on how to contact Snapchat for message logs since they had previously received pornographic DMs from Cry and wanted to help out with the case against him. People told them to email Snapchat's support team to get chat logs; within like 24 hours Snapchat's team emailed them back and basically said "you need to contact the police immediately. Go to your local PD, show them this email, we'll work directly with them from here on out."
It's been 3 years and I still think about that person, and I hope they're doing okay, whoever and wherever they are.
"One non-binary person"
Yeah, I hope they get the help they need too because Cry clearly wasn't the only issue they were having with life.
@@Impalingthorn wtf are you implying? it's 2023 man, get with the program or get left behind
@@Impalingthorn
You look exactly as I imagine you would
There is no such thing as a "non-binery" person. You are either male or female and believing otherwise is delusional and ignoring basic biology.
@@mac_sourIt’s a meme to say a year or time… imagine civilization restarts from scratch in 2024 is it 2024 to just keep gender binary then?
PS Don’t care about what they are but at the same time awful that happened to said individual… I don’t get what was the point saying non-binary other than an unnecessary descriptor.
So child grooming and dating underage girls aside, that last livestream of him crying, ranting, and breaking down was hard to watch. I don't know I'd react if I were there in the stream.
I can tell you that the type of people still watching him in his last year were teenage girls that crushed on him and only those
I stopped watching him much earlier because he would randomly be a douchebag on stream or his girlfriend Cheyenne would blow up and ruin the rest of the night
How tf is he gonna break down when he did this to himself 💀 image getting mad your actions have consequences
@@Cutiepie0111
You can still be disappointed in your own actions, dude. It hurts worse when you have even a semblance of self awareness of how you screwed up your own life and you know it's your fault.
@@Cutiepie0111Must be really cool to be perfect, but try to understand that most people aren't.
@@Thealseiemost people don't groom kids you nonce.
i remember this deviantart artist i followed a long time ago who spent their whole time on there making very well drawn fanart of cry and his friends. all of the hours they probably spent on those drawings just to go down the drain like that, i can’t imagine how that person feels…
was that scribblenetty? i also thought of all the animations she did for cry and pewdiepie together...
@@eehh2578 i remember that person too!! but idk i feel it was somebody else their style was more anime-adjacent…
I can't remember their username but was it the person who was trying to make a Cryaotic anime?
UA-camrs like Cry make me so unbelievably happy that Two Best Friends Play ended with no controversy.
well they did end up hating each other lol, matt despises pat
That's so real omg
Hell yeah
No controversy aside from them not being friends anymore.
@@yummystew2 that still makes me sad
I think the craziest thing is that he managed to stay anonymous while these days everyone gets leaked
They found out his name, it was also said during Pewdiepies Christmas live stream, but that’s all that was found out
@@carby966 i think they also knew other details but never his face so his real identity was never leaked
@@iwilleatursoup3679it's not well known, but his identity was eventually leaked a year or two after the fallout by a former friend of his, Tolomeo, when he was drunk on stream.
They found out his name and one of two pictures of someone who might be him. It honestly seems like no one found much about him is because there was nothing to find - dude never left his room, never had a job or irl relationships or friends.
@@linasayshush That’s very true. that and it was a different time period, I feel like people today still would of been able to find more than they would have in 2013
you never realize just how much the content you consume at a young age genuinely affects you until you're older. I was a huge cryaotic fan throughout middle school. from 11-13 i would watch his videos all the time. Gameplay, let's talks, anything he put out I consumed. i remember when the allegations broke in 2020, I was horrified and in denial. I didn't want to look into it at all. Only now, at 18 was I able to watch this video and oh my *god*. In hindsight, the way he complained in the cry talks videos, the ways he went about his griefs and issues, really affected me deeply. He was my idol, my role model. I reflected so much of his personality and his speech and his beliefs into my everyday life. I sometimes wonder why I was so mean and miserable when I was younger, but after watching this, I genuinely believe modeling myself so much after this man led to the way i acted and treated people. It's just horrifying.
i hadnt watched any Cry content in a long long time, but he was a foundational content creator to me in middle school. An idol.
I also happened to have a long, terrible relationship with an unstable guy through highschool and a few years past it.
The clips of him in this video, after not hearing his voice for years (I'm 24 now), have me in a similarly reflective state as you, i think. I wasn't just miserable myself, miserable to others, but I ended up seeking out a miserable partner with a lot of same "quirks". Unsurprisingly, this all brought years of unhappiness my way.
I'm sure everyone these days is desensitized to youtubers coming out as bad people. The revelations about Cry were very external for me, especially having not interacted with his content in so long. Another groomer on the internet, right?
This video, along with your comment, really brought it home for me. Made it click in a way.
Thank you for your insight- and happy trails.
I wish well for all those ex fans who might've internalized anything from this asshole
its scary how many of us really were children in his fanbase, and even more scary that some of us knew he wasnt a good person but couldnt handle the reality of it. I remember being on tumblr in 2013 and hearing about different allegations about him and refusing to look into it because I couldnt accept it. I remember denying that most of his fans were children despite never really looking into who was in his late night streams and assumed his commenters on YT were adults unlike myself. I was only 12 but I definitely wasnt alone in feeling like the person i looked up to so much and watched every single day could be a bad person. Cry has done harm to so many people and im just thankful hes fading away with time so that one day he'll be truly forgotten and left behind.
Cry's playthrough of Ib was one of my favourite playthroughs of all time. Listening to the clips you played and his voice gave me heavy nostalgia for when I was 14 and watching it after school. I loved Ib, The Crooked Man, Mad Father, Ao Oni and so many of the other RPG horror games of that time and my memories of them are pretty intrinsically linked to him. Which sucks knowing what I do now
right there w you that playthrough was everything to me, Corpse Party too. I tried watching them the other day because I heard after a while without uploading you stop getting revenue from youtube so i figured it wouldn’t benefit him in anyway but even hearing his voice now makes me feel nauseous :( sucks ass.
During my highschool years, I never missed an LNC stream. Saturday nights were my favorite time during those years.
The day that everything came crashing down felt so unreal. So many memories are forever tainted.
I only hope that those directly affected finally had closure and that they're doing better.
Your favorite time in highschool was spending saturday nights alone watching weirdos play videogames> Y I K E S
@@dissraps So proud of you for having learned basic reading comprehension.
I miss Cry, man. Don't mistake me, he deserves to be gone for what he did. I just wish things had been different. His content was so chill and he was one of my favorite creators to put on to sleep to.
i feel that. honestly, i wonder what he's doing right now. if i had the opportunity, i would sit down and have a conversation with brian for several hours. i dont want to be his friend or anything, especially after all the weird, grooming sick shit he did, but just watching the breakdown stream and watching him spiral and not know what to do with himself i can relate to on a personal level. sometimes people don't get the help they need until it's too late; and even then, sometimes you can't really help someone if they don't want to help themselves. its a tough situation.
i adored him as a kid, he was my favorite youtuber of all time, and watching him always cheered me up! now watching him just makes me sad :(
@@gamz33me too man :(
Maybe better stated "I miss who Cry could have been." He has it in him to not be a terrible person but made those choices...
I get what you mean, honestly. Frequently that I catch myself wanting to rewatch some of his old playthroughs again, but every time that urge is instantly drowned in anger and disgust for the shit he's done.
Impossible to separate the art from the artist for me, on this one.
I do still watch Jund fairly often though. And his girlfriend, jen.
Every time I saw the dream mask I remembered this guy and always wondered what happened
I legit thought Cry had gotten popular again when I saw dream based off of the mask and green color. Took me a few months to find out it was another guy
They have a lot of odd similarities. Besides the being faceless with almost identical masks, and grooming allegation things-
Like, the green hoodie, people shipping them and their other UA-cam friend associated with the color blue, the fact they foster parasocial relationships for validation, interacting with inappropriate fanart... I'm sure I could find more, but it's already kinda crazy.
@@BlackDogsAndLadybugs not the grooming allegations in common oml
I always come back this video because I use to love cry’s videos and to learn that not only cry but the others in the gaming group that he was in being from bad walks of life have to go the such mental breakdowns and it being amplified by what cry did is so heartbreaking. I’m someone who want to be UA-cam and play games and have fun with people. And it’s stories like this that makes it so scary but also pull back the veil that the platform just like anything is not always sunshine and rainbows. Thanks joon for all your in depth videos.
Wow, Cry literally broadcasted his mental breakdown
You can tell he was always unstable, can't think of anything making it more worse than getting "famous"
Issues that were left bubbling and boiling under the surface only to then find themselves propelled onto the influencer big stage.. In a different timeline where he sought help and stuck with it.. Perhaps things would've turned out differently for him, for Russ and all the countless victims caught up in this tradegy.
That my friend is what fame, attention, and popularity does to you. Which is why I don’t understand why people scramble to become famous on the internet. It doesn’t solve all your problems, it only masks them.