How Far did Rome Go? Romans in Sub-Saharan Africa (Roman Iceberg Part 7)

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  • @Rabbit_101
    @Rabbit_101 6 місяців тому +69

    I don't understand why your channel gets so few views, they have quality and are fascinating. UA-cam is cruel. :(

    • @geordiejones5618
      @geordiejones5618 6 місяців тому +17

      It's pretty niche. Only reason it shows up in my algorithm is because I seek out niche antiquity topics, especially Roman related. I assume most people who come across this channel do so after watching hundreds of Roman related videos.

    • @TheMrPeteChannel
      @TheMrPeteChannel 6 місяців тому +5

      Also calling oneself an idiot probably doesn't help.

    • @idiottalkshistory
      @idiottalkshistory  6 місяців тому +12

      Eh it's how it goes! I'm just enjoying making content and that's that! Thank you for your comment though, it means a lot! :)

    • @basedfantastic4341
      @basedfantastic4341 6 місяців тому +1

      ​@@idiottalkshistoryhave you considered changing your channel name? It might help and I'm sure the community could help you pick one if you so wished

    • @HaakonOdinsson
      @HaakonOdinsson 6 місяців тому +1

      Rome wasn’t built in a day 🙂

  • @user-jt8vj1vm6y
    @user-jt8vj1vm6y 2 місяці тому +49

    People have also to bear in mind that the word 'Africa' didn't refer to subsaharan lands back then. It meant the Maghreb only.

    • @ziyanehaddou8898
      @ziyanehaddou8898 Місяць тому +4

      The word cave in Tamazight/ Berber languages is Ifri/ Ifriqiya does it sound any bells. 😜

    • @ziyanehaddou8898
      @ziyanehaddou8898 Місяць тому

      Afri in the south. 😊

    • @atrichardable
      @atrichardable 20 днів тому +1

      The term sub Saharan wasn’t a thing until 100 years ago

  • @Colddirector
    @Colddirector 6 місяців тому +23

    Personally, I choose to believe Titus' last words were "I have made but one mistake" purely because it's hilarious. Almost as hilarious as Valentinian literally dying mid-angry rant. I refuse to let that be taken from me.

  • @rymic72
    @rymic72 Місяць тому +16

    A lack of sickle cells creating an immunity to malaria would have prevented/complicated Roman exploration of sub Saharan Africa just as it did other European explorers 1400 years later before the advent of quinine.

    • @johnnyjoestar7769
      @johnnyjoestar7769 Місяць тому +4

      Well mediterraneans have other artifacts to resists malaria. While they do not have sicke cell they do have mild types of thalassemia, which also helps in preventing/combating malaria

  • @Colddirector
    @Colddirector 6 місяців тому +12

    I know they're objectively inferior to modern laws, but there's just something so evocative and cool about the the Twelve Tables as a concept, like this monument of bronze tablets that lays out all the laws and rights of a citizen right in the city centre.

  • @barrywhite7741
    @barrywhite7741 6 місяців тому +5

    Great content as always. Keep it up, the subs will come. You are covering both topics and depth that make this channel really refreshing and unique.

  • @fulgurflavo5913
    @fulgurflavo5913 Місяць тому +15

    15:18
    The turks are not an anatolian people, they are from central asia and genetic cousins to the mongols
    the trojans were closer to the greeks in culture and customs and were, just like the hittites of indo-european origin, something that the turks are not.
    the greeks were also present in anatolia by the time of the trojan wars, wich means that by the time the turks got to anatolia, the greeks had been there for 2 millennia

    • @johnnyjoestar7769
      @johnnyjoestar7769 Місяць тому +3

      Yup, turks got there only 800 years ago, and during the end of the ottoman empire most of the original greek anatolians returned to greek, so there is little original anatolian dna to today’s turkey

    • @Kostas_Dikefalaios
      @Kostas_Dikefalaios Місяць тому +2

      ​@@johnnyjoestar7769Turks practiced force conversions and stripped many Greeks of their national identity. There still is genetic proof for this if you check Turks from the Western coast of Anatolia and the Pontus region which were originally inhabitated by Greeks. Turks from the South-East and Turks from the North-West of Anatolia look vastly differrent.

  • @Ninjaghast
    @Ninjaghast 6 місяців тому +6

    Always glad to see you upload. Hope you get large one day, well deserved

  • @JohnDoe-ne4kg
    @JohnDoe-ne4kg Місяць тому +5

    Great channel
    * pokes algorithm with stick *
    Come on, do your thing

  • @jansundvall2082
    @jansundvall2082 6 місяців тому +9

    Roman coins and some swords are found in Scandinavia, due to trade and mercenaries.

    • @skp8748
      @skp8748 6 місяців тому +2

      So Mycenaean coins were found in somalia

    • @tdoran616
      @tdoran616 6 місяців тому +1

      Amazing, surprised there’s no Scandinavian archeologist claiming the location they were found had a Roman settlement. Scandinavian archeologists love doing things like that. Like how they claim Vikings who had Islamic coins in their burial ground were Muslim.

    • @jansundvall2082
      @jansundvall2082 6 місяців тому +1

      @@tdoran616 because archaeologists are scientists who uses scientific methods and techniques.
      The vikings were not an ethnic group more like raiders, i.e. “Swedish” vikings were a mix of eastern Scandinavians, Finns and Balts. Some Vikings were not even Scandinavians, i.e. Balts, Slavs or Frisians.

  • @Pakicetus_
    @Pakicetus_ 6 місяців тому +4

    Great video and channel.

  • @itsyaboithanos717
    @itsyaboithanos717 6 місяців тому +1

    Man i really like how in depth you went with this series, props for the effort!

  • @geordiejones5618
    @geordiejones5618 6 місяців тому +6

    The Sahara used to be vibrant. I think coming out the Younger Dryas, you could still roam the FORESTS of the modern Sahara, but desserfication has gotten worse and worse thanks in part to overfarming (North Africa also used to have incredibly bountiful topsoil). Same thing has happened in former vibrant areas across the Middle East.

    • @idiottalkshistory
      @idiottalkshistory  6 місяців тому +1

      Exactly, that's part of the reason I find the Sahara so interesting is that just a few thousand years ago it was full of life and vibrant and now it is essentially a wasteland save for a few pockets. Just absolutely fascinating to me! Thanks for watching!

  • @BoomsvaderArie
    @BoomsvaderArie 6 місяців тому +2

    Love your content bro

  • @WorthlessWinner
    @WorthlessWinner 6 місяців тому +9

    Lepidus accomplished infinitely more than Cicero
    Cicero is only remembered because his narcissism led him to write everything he thought down >_<
    Lepidus wasn't even unskilled, it's just his skills (being very cautious) weren't suited to the situation (which needed a bold man)

  • @billatkinson4915
    @billatkinson4915 19 днів тому

    As an addition to TheMrPetechannel comment on why so few views. Your channel has come up fairly frequently on my feed since I watch a lot of ancient history material. However, simply because of the name of the channel I have passed it over as quite possibly an AI channel putting a computer voice to reading some public source document. However, the topic of Roman exploration of the Sahara is of interest to me so I decided to see. I'm very pleased I did. You have excellent content and relevant imagery and lots of information as well as enough information so I can follow up with more research if I want to. Thank You!!!!!!!! Excellent work, keep it up. Now the name of the channel is irrelevant to me but could still be a factor in limiting exposure.

  • @kaytieanddreambreen4554
    @kaytieanddreambreen4554 Місяць тому

    Keep doing this. You're bound to grow big. Love the video! Gonna sleep to it today

  • @davidsabillon5182
    @davidsabillon5182 6 місяців тому +2

    Like commented and subscribed 👍

  • @Simonsays7258
    @Simonsays7258 Місяць тому

    This is excellent.

  • @kayjay1088
    @kayjay1088 6 місяців тому +6

    comment for the algorithm

  • @Epic17history
    @Epic17history 24 дні тому

    amazing

  • @WorthlessWinner
    @WorthlessWinner 6 місяців тому +2

    16:00 hilarious given the romans ALSO pulled the WE WUZ TROY thing

  • @d3thkn1ghtmcgee74
    @d3thkn1ghtmcgee74 Місяць тому +1

    2:13 the examples you given were people who only existed during the green Sahara period. Not to say there werent great civilizations just the examples given werent applicable to the desert Sahara

  • @gianlucaparedi2834
    @gianlucaparedi2834 Місяць тому

    Interesting.

  • @lanmarknetworking3034
    @lanmarknetworking3034 6 місяців тому +2

    How do you define civilization?

    • @idiottalkshistory
      @idiottalkshistory  2 місяці тому +2

      Sorry for the late response! Civilization for me has always been any group of people who have their own culture and society. A bit basic and it means that my version of civilization is probably a lot larger than what the consensus in academia/the public is but that's how I've always thought of it.

  • @pokefriend123
    @pokefriend123 Місяць тому +1

    Man I hate it when everyone tries to bring statistics in to things. Numbers aren't always important!

  • @LaPtaVerdad
    @LaPtaVerdad Місяць тому +1

    Imagine rome conquered the sahara and managed to conquer a big chunk of africa
    We would had like 5 different places calling themselves the true roman empire not just the byzantine and the germanics xD
    The kongo empire being like nooo we the true roman empire!!!

  • @diakritika
    @diakritika Місяць тому

    Were the 12 tables melted down or could they still be around somwhere?

  • @dvosburg1966
    @dvosburg1966 6 місяців тому +1

    I heard that they never went all the way on a first date.

  • @alessandrorossi1294
    @alessandrorossi1294 7 днів тому

    You know you can just say “B.C.” It sounds really forced when you go “B.C…e…”

  • @jesushidalgo6710
    @jesushidalgo6710 Місяць тому

    I am from Cádiz from where Balbus was from 🙏🙏💙💛

  • @alanschwartz7073
    @alanschwartz7073 26 днів тому

    Watch epic history for pointers

  • @stephenolson532
    @stephenolson532 Місяць тому

    Up too and including riding 🐫 🐫 🐫?

  • @marksheen4873
    @marksheen4873 Місяць тому

    Far. End of video lol. Jk great video

  • @LuisAldamiz
    @LuisAldamiz 6 місяців тому +4

    All that is interesting but no part of Africa is under the Sahara except subsoil.
    Also I feel negligence in appreciating pre-Roman exploration of Africa, which was much more extensive than what you mention, beginning by Necho's expedition. Sure much is obscure but all is likely (and definitely Hanno reached Central Africa, where they witnessed an eruption of mt. cameroon and attacked a band of chimpanzees, which the localas called "gorillas").

    • @idiottalkshistory
      @idiottalkshistory  6 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, that is some interesting history but not something I am too well versed in. Definitely something I want to explore more! Maybe a video will be in the works on that! Thanks for watching!

    • @LuisAldamiz
      @LuisAldamiz 6 місяців тому +2

      @@idiottalkshistory - I'm not any expert either but I give total credibility to:
      1. Necho expedition (financed by Egypt but manned by anonymous phoenicians), which circumnavigated Africa from East to West and is mentioned by Herodotus, who disbelieves it on the grounds of a detail that actually makes it more credible to us: they observed the sun high by the North when being at the southern coast of Africa.
      2. Hanno's reaching of Central Africa. The "gorillas" (maybe chimpanzees) and the eruption of a volcano, which can only be Mt. Cameroon, are both evidence of them reaching Central Africa around what is now Gabon.
      3. Euthymenes of Massalia, who reached some major river south of the Sahara, plausibly the Senegal.
      4. Eudoxus of Cycicus, who traded with India from Egypt and was pushed south by winds to an uncertain location in East Africa, where he found a stranded Phoenician ship from Gadir (modern Cádiz) and concluded it had circumnavigated Africa to that point but was unlucky and could not fulfill the circumnavigation. If true these would be ancient ill-fated precursors of Vasco de Gama.
      5. The anonymous Periplus of the Erythraean Sea documents the trade of Rome/Egypt with India and East Africa, noticing at least three ports south of Somalia in a country called Azania. It's capital was Raphta and may have been in several places between Tanzania and Mozambique. Other intermediate ports were Nicon and Sarapion, maybe in Kenya or Tanzania. They traded with Rome and Roman coins have been found in coastal and insular Tanzania. They may well have been a precursor of later Zendj civilization, "the classical Greece of Africa" (IMO), which would go on to trade all the way to China before the Portuguese arrived and took over.
      That's all I can say. Feel free to use these leads for a future video. Cheers.

  • @cal2127
    @cal2127 2 місяці тому

    who were the tamarians?

  • @trapdoorfloyd
    @trapdoorfloyd Місяць тому +1

    Pretty far 😎

  • @kitehigh7507
    @kitehigh7507 6 місяців тому +1

    .

  • @theylivewesleep4570
    @theylivewesleep4570 6 місяців тому +1

    I think they made it all the way to the new world

  • @bioemilianosky
    @bioemilianosky Місяць тому

    Quality shit

  • @JimStanfield-zo2pz
    @JimStanfield-zo2pz 18 днів тому

    They didnt get far

  • @peterbreis5407
    @peterbreis5407 18 днів тому

    What are miles?
    Fun fact Americans only make up 4.23% of the total world population.

    • @buckodonnghaile4309
      @buckodonnghaile4309 17 днів тому

      1.609 kilometers = 1 mile.
      Don't let your hatred for Americans stop you from learning something new.

    • @peterbreis5407
      @peterbreis5407 16 днів тому

      @@buckodonnghaile4309 Thanks for telling me what I know. And you just googled.
      Pointing out that Americans are a tiny minority is not "hating Americans". But your backwards cubit based measurement systems is holding everyone else back. Not just Americans. The Imperial measurement system may be contributing to your fear of maths, not just holding you back a year in school.

  • @johnnyjoestar7769
    @johnnyjoestar7769 Місяць тому +7

    Please do not add american freedom units anymore, use the metric system, please!

    • @AlexFeud
      @AlexFeud 29 днів тому +8

      No 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅

    • @perceivedvelocity9914
      @perceivedvelocity9914 26 днів тому

      The majority of his audience is probably in the United States. UA-cam provides that kinda information to content creators. It wouldn't make sense to exclusively use metric when the bulk of his viewers do not. IMO he should use both so that no one is left out.

    • @mfhex1398
      @mfhex1398 26 днів тому +1

      It always makes sense to use the metric system, as it is far superior to any other system of measurements !

    • @buckodonnghaile4309
      @buckodonnghaile4309 17 днів тому

      Learn to convert the two, it's fairly simple.

    • @ImperatorTheodosius
      @ImperatorTheodosius 4 дні тому

      ​@@mfhex1398 Wrong. 0 C is a little cold, 0 F is really cold. 100 F is really hot, and at 100 C you're dead. Farenheit is superior as it better relates the actual conditions. Besides, metric comes from the creepy, evil jacobins.

  • @eugenehong8825
    @eugenehong8825 19 днів тому

    You gotta pronounce 'Agricola' correctly. For the love of God it's, "Agrih-Koh-La"

  • @JK-gx7kd
    @JK-gx7kd 29 днів тому +1

    Yeah...no. sub-sahara was never civilized. Not until Europeans came and civilized them.

    • @perceivedvelocity9914
      @perceivedvelocity9914 26 днів тому +6

      I don't think that you understand what the word civilization means.

    • @JK-gx7kd
      @JK-gx7kd 24 дні тому

      @@perceivedvelocity9914 it's usually synonymous with European.

    • @eliaskizito231
      @eliaskizito231 14 днів тому +1

      @@JK-gx7kdbro forgot kingdom of Kongo abbysina, Aksum , empire of Ethiopia, and Carthage and Mali

    • @JK-gx7kd
      @JK-gx7kd 11 днів тому

      @@eliaskizito231 to call those kingdoms and empires civilized, especially when compared to European kingdoms and empires, is truly a crime my good sir. Africa Is a backwater. Always has been.

    • @eliaskizito231
      @eliaskizito231 11 днів тому

      @@JK-gx7kd bro forgot the richest man in the history of all time was the king of Mali Blud forgot that Carthage at one point was richer then there Roman counter part bro forgot that Ethiopian was the third country in the world to adopt Christianity bro forgot that the kingdom of Aksum had more over sea colonies then the rest of none Roman Empire in 100bc. Also the Great Wall of Zimbabwe. Europe has amazing history but it doesn’t mean they’re the only civilized folk before globalization. Read a book bruh

  • @JelMain
    @JelMain 6 місяців тому

    The Sahara Desert didn't exist then, in the West. It was Roman deforestation to build their navy and grain ships which did it. Minor usage, Rome's insulae and heating, and probably the Army.

    • @tdoran616
      @tdoran616 6 місяців тому +7

      It did exist back then. By the time of Rome it was a desert.

    • @JelMain
      @JelMain 6 місяців тому +1

      @@tdoran616 By the time Rome was done, that is.

    • @thomasmalacky7864
      @thomasmalacky7864 Місяць тому

      ​@@JelMainNo dumbass the Sahara has existed sine 3300 bc

    • @perceivedvelocity9914
      @perceivedvelocity9914 26 днів тому +1

      Where did you get that information? It's 100% incorrect. Do not trust the source of the info.

    • @JelMain
      @JelMain 26 днів тому

      @@perceivedvelocity9914 Try the reports on shipbuilding and sourcing animals for the Circus.

  • @Weeb-ux8ov
    @Weeb-ux8ov 19 днів тому

    Roman's were African kangs