There was no such thing as a Capital of Ancient Russia. Russia did not exist at that time. Even Moskovia did not exist at that period. Moscovia was established in 1283. Moscovian tsar Ivan the Terrible destroyed Novgorod in 1570, massacred all population and burned the city to the ground. This is how it became part of Moskovia first, after Moskovia declared itself Russia in 1721, Novgorod became part of Russia. Also Rus has nothing to do with Russia. The title is inacurate. Why to mislead your viewers? We are not dumb.
I don’t think it’s meant to mislead anybody. That area is today known as Russia, which is why it is referred to as ancient. Would be like saying “ancient china” even though a unified state known as china is a modern thing. It’s simply ease of terminology. Nobody would want to watch a video titled called “Holmgang, the city in lands we currently call Russian but actually weren’t called Russia in the past and the Russians technically massacred them and this even predates the muscovites.”
Hello, I am historical student from Russia. I like your channel, your videos is very good. It is rarely fashionable to see English-language content on this topic. However, comments are something terrible. But that's always the case under historical videos: politics, controversy, and human stupidity. So, l wish you good luck!
Если Вы изучаете историю , то должны в итоге понимать , что это наука связанная с психологией . Законами восприятия , памяти , способности и необходимости к мифотворчеству . Например память исключает отрицательный опыт , иначе нервная система , под копящимся грузом отрицательных эмоций будет разрушаться . При этом историк изучает именно прошлое . То есть он должен понять , что есть информация о прошлом , которой он обладает , насколько она мифологична и зная законы мифотворчества , понять что было в реальности . Те , кто создает опусы подобные этому о чужой истории , как раз стремятся создать нужный миф к своей выгоде , так что и комментарии этих ограниченных , западных обывателей , не должны Вас удивлять . Привет .
Ingegerd/Iryna/Anna orthodox saint, born in Västergötland, Sweden with a slavic/Obotritic princess mother. She had nine siblings and half-siblings.. The siblings in Ace of Base are probably related like Bodil in Timoteij etc. They have their deepest roots in Västergötland like Iryna... That explains their looks, musicality and spirituality.... Jenny is talking in her biography seeing angels getting visions.. PS A careful count makes it probable with at least 100 000 related people today! With some It's obvious.. One of Iryna's daughters, Anna married the King of France! Henri de Bourgogne..in 11th c France...DS
Hello from Novgorod!❤ I don't understand why we always had so few tourists here. The city itself is in 2 hours ride from Saint-Petesburg and you can personaly see everything that was in this video: Kremlin, Gorodishe (we call it Rurikovo Gorodishe or Gorodishe of Rurik), Peryn, and many-many more. Be our guests!
@@Graf_Ka-Ka Я про машину, на электричке дольше, да. На автрбусе/машине до Купчино по платной дороге за два часа можно добраться, может два с половиной
There were so much contact between Sweden and Russia 1000 years ago, so we have some common folklore even.. Older people from east Sweden, when they see a black cat, spit three times over their left shoulder when they want to stop bad luck to happen..They do the same in Russia... There are also believe in Tomte, in Russia Domevoi. In Sweden we call it Troll, in Russia Lezji... There are also other examples.., but this signifies much contact in the viking-age....
Русы не шведы.Рослаген фейк придуманный шведами с помощью Романовых и немецких учёных.Русь существовала ещё до Рорака.Рорак это славянское имя,оно означает - сокол.Герб Рорака пикирующий сокол. Украинцы изуродовали его символ превратив его в клеймо для скота хазарского каганата.Русь значит наполненая солнцем земля.Русы значит русые. Русый значит цвета солнца. Историю Руси уничтожали Романовы,чтобы перевести русских в христианство. Люди бунтовали и ненавидели новую религию. Это событие названо кровавым крещением. Только со временем когда народ лишили его истоков и памяти и переписали и перерисовали все иконы люди стали воспринимать Святовида как троицу, а Сварога который и без христиан был у нас Богом творцом и создателем всего сущего и называл нас своими детьми - христианским Илохимом.
@tommirt это вполне нормальное изменение наименования в другом языке. Просто немного другое произнесение слова. Например, слово Stop у нас звучит как Стоп, в английском как Стап. И таких примеров множество
That's because of both languages descent from Indoeuropean and maybe also geograpical proximity and because of mutual interactions and influences on to each other, which led to the point that they didn't diverge more from each other like other Indoeuropean languages. In slavic languages "grad" can be used on a lot of "enclosed" areas. A vineyard is called "vinograd" in Serbo-Croatian for example and the verb "graditi" can be translated to "building". 🙂
little addendun: This word still exists in other germanic languages, just with another meaning. It's "Garden" (English), "Garten" (German) and this probably stems from the fact that a garden would also often be somehow enclosed. And there is also the word "guard" in English and "Garde" in German (which is used for honor guards)🙂
When i was learning some swedish as a russian, i noticed a few surprising overlaps in vocabulary, it goes beyond just broad terms, everyday objects, descriptions of times etc. It's quite fun to discover this stuff.
@@lukdhguirg7121 Makes sense, in Serbo-Croatian "ograditi" would mean "fencing off" something and "ograda" the fence itself. So "ogorod" would be the area that is fenced off.
In Serbian the old term HELM was any elevated terrain. The words are probably related. An island would logical be a 'holm' because it is a piece of land protruding or raising from the water.
@@gideonros2705 Perhaps.. but it's a stretch, because never in Russian is holm used to mean anything other than a small hill. In fact you can have a holm on an island (island = ostrov), the implication being NOT the entire island.
Holm is actually small island in Swedish and many other Germanic languages. In Proto-Germanic the word was hulmaz which was borrowed into Proto-Slavic and became holm in the sense of hill.
@@glaz5228 Exactly, they are trying to apply foreign words to Russian typography. It was mentioned that holm is an island, but in Russian it is not! I figured out of course that it is likely in Swedish, etc.
@@comment6864 in Swedish, Danish and Norwegian a Holm is a small elevated hill. The Danish Island of Bornholm is called so because it's like a small "Holm" in the Baltic sea. And the Born is because it is where The Burgundians originated from. Or Borgunderne as we call them in most Nordic languages. But Serbia should be thankfull that we gave them culture!:)
There is a boat trip in Lake Ilmen where you can spot many interesting sights. Novgorod is actually amazing in its history. It should receive more investments and attention but it is kinda forgotten between Peter and Moscow
But on the other side tourist attractions around Europe usually end up having their history erroded or heavily damaged by tourists or for "accommodation"
Большое спасибо. Я из России,историк, этнограф. Великий Новгород до сих пор среди многих европейских историков считается настоящим Европейским городом средневековья.
В наше время европоцентризма обычные научные термины звучат подозрительно. Но меня раздражает, если честно, когда Востоком называют все, что не Запад. Восток такой разный; что арабы, что китайцы, что индонезийцы, что бывшие советские республики Средней Азии, и что, сюрприз-сюрприз, Дагестан. Главное, чтобы к каждой стране и культуре подходили без стереотипов.
попробуй жить своим мозгом, а не европейских историков. откроется много чудных тайн. в эру информационной революции смешно опираться на мнение (((истогриков))). можно лично не выходя из дома увидеть тысячи артефактов, текстов и генетических данных связав всё это в реальною хронологию без флёра дешевой пропаганды типа евроцентризма и прочей ереси.
I can contribute by translating text at 13:55 "Bow to you from Smenka and from Korelina. We come to your village Pitarevo. What do you say? Master, order anything. And I will serve you. It's easy to understand that Semen Korelin run from his prevoius feudal to new master and want to serve him now.
It is crazy to imagine that humans would be colonizing other solar systems in an unrivaled golden age of prosperity were it not for the lack of a baltic empire 😢
Surprisingly it was a great documentary, well done. It is so hard to find a decent and non biased documentary on the Slavic culture. I would like to add a few points though: 1) Gorod/grad did not initially mean a city, it's basically a fortification like "castle" (a wooden castle) where Knyaz resides with his druzhina. 2) Holm means "a hill" so holmgorod is just a fortification on the hill. So Rurik just built a new fortification after Holmgard, that's why it's named "new fortification". 3) There was a city of Slovensk according to the chronicles in the place of Novgorod, established ~ 3k BC. So Rurik came to Slovensk and established Novgorod ( built a new castle).
That's total bs, obviously. There were no slavs in this region 5 thousand years ago. These "chronicles" you site are no more than folklore and not a historical document
In Denish From the vikings. Holmgard , Holmgaard or Holmgård. Part 1. Holm = Mening place near water. Part 2. Gard Means Farm. Farm near water. With time could evolve into a town and be used for last name/ sure / family name for a person. In Denmark right now we have 1368 people with the sure name Holmgaard. And 65 people with Holmgård :-)
In Russian 1) holm = a hill 2) gard = guard. Basically an all around fortification, which later became a word for the city. But it's meaning is not "a farm" and never was. It's meaning is "guard" = gard. Any fortified or guarded area.
@@korana6308 неудивительно, славяне были расселены до Дании, по территории нынешней северо-восточной Германии, да и в других местах с викингами контачили нередко. И судя по тому, что города вырастали из крепости/форта, построенного, как правило, на холме, возвышенности (кстати, холм у воды/реки весной часто бывает островом) - похоже, что славянское происхождение "холмгард"/"холмград" тут более реалистично. Ну, а у датчан слово "град"/ город просто превратилось со временем в "огород".
I’d be very curious about that. I’ve always wondered about the heavy preponderance of haplogroup N extending from Lithuania to the lands much further north east
@@runemasterhariwulfaz5267 ive read that a couple estonian archaeologists and historians agree with the theory of finnic conquerors conquering the baltic and thus spreading the N haplogroup via rapes. those same articles say it happend within a generation likely. this and some other archeological and linguistic evidence may also point to an extremely shortlived (feudal) state (some even say that the myths of kaleva and his sons are from this time period, and that the person who inspired kaleva was the leader of this state), which covered most of the baltics and possibly even mälar area in sweden (evidence points to a finnic elite population, nicknamed mälar finns, living and ruling over a small part of sweden for a short amount of time before being assimilated) granted, this is all speculation and theory, but its just some ive read
@@dasarath5779 this makes sense. From what I’ve seen haplogroup N showed up very rapidly around 500 BC. It is interesting that Lithuania and Latvia retained a proto-Indo-European language and many other areas maintained a Uralic one
Hi there, I want to add the we Slovenes still exist, we only moved from Russia to Slovenia. We know that we contributed to the founding of Novgorod state, but for some reason this topic is forbidden among the public as well among the historians both on the slovenian side as well on the russian side. About names, Gorodishe, Gradishe in slovenian means a fortified settlement sorounded by a palisade and ditches. Holm is a hill, Gorod, Grad is a settlement or a fortification, Novgorod is Novigrad meaning new town. Pozerie, Pojezerje meaning lake side.
I love your content, keep it up! Have you considered doing any videos on the different Baltic tribes? I'd love to see a video on the Yotvingians or maybe the Baltic Prussians!
Yup, in Russian too!! But here they keep insisting on Swedish 'holme', which i guess means island LOL, and keep using the germanic ending 'gard' instead of 'grad', the slavic one. 😆
Потому что древнерусское слово для холма не холм а хълмъ (хелме). Название тогда должно было быть "Хелмеграде" ("хелме" и "граде", так как в древнерусском языке было не типично оканчивать слово на согласную), а вот "holm", "holmr" или "holmi" в то время обозначало островок на языке варяг (древнескандинавский), но не обозначал "холм" на языке местных славян. "Gard" (сокращение слова garðr) обозначало укрепление или крепость. Древне русский язык похож, но одновременно очень отличаетсья от современного языка. Because the ancient russian word for hill is not holm but хълмъ (helme). The name then should have been “Helmegrade” (“helme” and “grade”, since in the Old Russian language it was not typical to end a word with a consonant), but “holm”, “holmr” or “holmi” at that time designated a small island in the Varangian (Old Norse) language, but did not mean “hill” in the language of the local Slavs. "Gard" (short form of garðr) meant fortified position or fort. The ancient russian (old east slavic) language is similar, but at the same time very different from the modern language@@comment6864
@@petrygebliebenerschlagerfan67 Serbian lenguage have some synonyms for word hill (brdo, hlm hum,breg(similar to Swedish berg )). Gard or Slavic(Serbian) grad means city or fortress on hill. HOLMGARD-HUMGRAD-FORTRES ON HILL
What a great video, the odds are some of this is correct and your narration and editing is excellent, I hope you get the chance to make many more, well done 👍
Gorodishe translates more like Big City you can add -ishe to anything and it will make it sound bigger ruka - hand, ruchishe - giant hand riba - fish, ribishe - giant fish
Кострище - место, где когда-то горел костёр, и в силу того что костёр удобно всегда жечь в одном и том же месте кострищем так-же называют специально предназначенное для костра место, как пример.Всякие раскапываемые древние деревни и сёла называют городищем.
чел, это лингвистика от Нагиева - "Тарифищеее"?🤣В центрально-европейской части России везде, где были крепости на холме, такие места издревле называются "городищем". А у тебя логика пляшет от слова "дофигища".
Вы правы, но не полностью. Вы замечали что слово огород и город однокоренные слова?! Скорее правильней считать, что поселение больше чем обычно. Но не как большой город. Отсюда же и этимология слова Гардарики -- страна городов. Суть в том, что более менее большое поселение обносили частоколом -- огорождали территорию. И когда скандинавы пришли на территорию восточноевропейской равнины, они увидели множество городов.
@@adamradziwilldon't say anything bad about Moskva. Finnugri word ending with -va means at water. And Moskva means a cow drinking / crossing place. Finns were first living there and later were mixed with Mongolians.
Ilmen is a Balto-Finnic word and the oldest Balto-Finnic scriptures were found there and ancient Karelians constituted an important part of the population, but of course, no mention of them here.
A bit of nerdic notice but on 00:25 you call the place where the river starts ‘the mouth’. I think you confused it with ‘a head/headwaters etc.’ since youre definitely talking about the place where it starts and a mouth is where a river ends. Correct me if I don’t get something.
This was an excellent video. There is so much content. Thank you. [I believe that some of the wheel of time lore must have been inspired from this history.]
another linguistic link between novogorod and western slavs is the often disputed naming of the "ilmen slovenes" slovenes also being the name of the slavs who have settled in modern day slovenia, and slovenia often being bearing closer similarities to western slavs than the southern slavs.
it is Ostrovogard -Holmgard, Ostrovogard is from Westslavic language of polabian slavs/gard is a town, in Scandinavian gard is a small village/. who were colonised that territory they called themselves slovene, not slovane as eastslavic called themselves. Stove that was found in Ruric`s Gorodishche was of westslavic origin ! There are written legends of westslavic that tells about Ruric, Truvar and Suvar who went to east to Russia to rule over local tribes.
@@kimrizo1938 The evidence points towards the Wendish material culture, religion, and genetics. Maybe the nomad Turks were so impressed with the Wendish prince-horse-masters in the Eastern European plains they called them khans.
Уважаемые авторы канала...а что известно вам относительно сигтукнского похода новгородцев и карел 1187 года. Чем была вызвана такая жёсткая реакция Новгородской республики... Почему новгородское государство уничтожило древнюю столицу Швеции ??? Есть ли трактовки и версии данного похода среди уважаемых специалистов на Западе ?
@@chriselliott4621 Gorod means city and originates from proto Slavic for a protected or fortified place. Nov does indeed mean new. Gorodische translates to a “might fortress” or “might town”. Not disputing that it’s the original settlement, just want to add some clarity.
No, it means the place of a city, in this sense it means the place of a city that no longer exists. Just like pozharische is a place of pozhar, and stanovische is a place for stan.
Sorbs are western slavs from Germany and the Germans still call them wendishe while they call themself serby.. So wend is probably a German word for slavs
Gorodische is more like a colloquialism for 'big clumsy city' or 'giant city', perhaps 'important significant city', but not old city. Perhaps it is now being interpreted as meaning old, because it was in fact the original, well established city, while Novgorod was the newer one, which is literally what its name means.
The Varangian name of the city Holmgård (Holmgarðr or Holmgarðir) is mentioned in Norse Sagas as existing at a yet earlier stage, but historical facts cannot here be disentangled from legend. Originally, Holmgård referred only to the stronghold southeast of the present-day city, Riurikovo Gorodishche. Archeological data suggests that the Gorodishche, the residence of the Knyaz (prince), dates from the middle of the 9th century, whereas the town itself dates only from the end of the 10th century, hence the name Novgorod, the "new city", from Proto-Slavic "Новъ" and "Градъ" (Nov and Grad), although German and Scandinavian historiography suggests the Old Norse term Nýgarðr, or the Old High German term Naugard. The first mention of this Nordic or Germanic etymology to the name of the city of Novgorod (and that of other cities within the territory of the then Kievan Rus') occurs in the 10th-century policy manual De Administrando Imperio by the Byzantine emperor Constantine VII. The Varangian toponym Holmgard means Islet town or Islet grad, and there are various explanations for why they gave this name. According to Rydzevskaya, the Norse name is derived from the Slavic Holmgrad which means "town on a hill" and may allude to the "old town" preceding the "new town", or Novgorod. Truthfully, the meaning of this Norse toponym, "island garden", has no satisfactory meaning. According to Rydzevskaya, the Norse name is derived from the Slavic "Holmgrad" which means "town on a hill" and may allude to the "old town" preceding the "new town", or Novgorod - for the aforementioned reasons. The city's origin is West Slavic and has sisterly relations with the city of Starigrad, not to mention that all findings of Norse making are items of trade, whereas the Slavic items are domestic produce, the same is seen in R. Gorodische. Herberstein did, in fact, dismiss the idea of the Norse origin of the Rurikids (he states that there is no reason for the Russians to invite foreigners to govern them), and he distinguished them from the Wagrians - whom he had specifically attested as Slavs, the same is repeated in a 1417 Latin manuscript of the Rurikid genealogy where they're attested as a "Wendish" ruling family. Furthermore, I suggest the work of Matti Klinge (The Baltic World) on the matter, he, just like Herberstein, states the same.
Novgorod was built upon a previous settlement known as Gorodishche or Gradishche and was ruled by Ilmen Slovenes. After the unification with Varangian Slavs or Vagrians from current area of Poland and Germany, who ruled over the city of Stargard or "Old City" (Gard meant "City"; surrounded area, like Garden... with "fences"), they moved their capital city to Gradishche and was called New City or Novgard or Novgorod. This is why Varangians or Vagrians were never Vikings, who were simply Jarl tribes.
I would like to correct some slavic pronunciation: "o" is pronounced the same as in "corn" or "cold", not as "a", and there is a letter in the alphabet "щ" that is pronounced "shch" fully, rather than grouped together such as would be in English. Otherwise great and thorough video, thank you for composing this information!
Depends. In modern Russian, о at the start of most multi-syllabic words has been shortened to а or even a -schwa. But it used to be pronounced fully, so maybe it makes sense when quoting directly. For the purpose of describing it though, whichever sounds best in English is the best to use. Flows better
Another sacred Slavic place in Northern Germany is Ruyan (Rugen) island with Sventovit temple. It was conquered and destroyed by Germans in the second half of 13th century.
Original text in Primary chronicles by monk Nestor says Ilmen Slovene and not Slavs. Slovenes are Slavs, but not all Slavs are Slovenes only Slovenes from Slovenia and Slovakia call themselves like that.
The most ancient capital of Gardarica (or Gardarikka/Gardarikki) is a small city of Ládoga (Algéidiuborg). It is THERE where Ruric/Rurik/Rorik began his career as the sovereign of the future Ruthenia. There are still the remnants of the stone fortifications consisting of the three towers and two segments of the wall between them; all five fragments in relatively good conditions.
Vineta, northern Venice. Now this city is called St. Petersburg. - petro polis - stone city. ancient city in the north. hence the Wend people - the old name for the SlavIc.
New viking theoretic here. Vikings got to thank slavic tribes for finding America prior to Columbus! Vikings were traveling around and robbing local villages, but at some point few communities united and kicked their butt so bad that they have jumped in their drakkars, missed beloved fjords and paddled all the way past Atlantic ocean! Skol ёпта!))
@@daseapickleofjustice7231 да и сейчас, только в зависимости о каких славянах речь идет, русские например Северо-Европейцы с небольшим влиянием Южной Европы
At 22:56 I always considered it to be puzzling that Constantine in DAI refers to prinse Svyatoslaw and his seat of power. He must have been very young when the text was written. I suspect Svyatoslaw was incerted during later copying of the text which, if memory serves, in its eldest form is not contemporary with Constantine VII.
Слово Владимир состоит из изначальных русских слов - володеть-владеть и мир. Владимир значит Владеющий миром. Как и имя Ярослав. Яр-значит ярило- солнце, слав-значит славить - восхвалять. Ярослав значит - славяший солнце. Мы поклонялись Солнцу и оно было нашим Богом
@@Marina-d1v8w на самом деле, это "народная этимология". Владимир не значит "владеющий миром". Раньше окончание было не "мир", а "мер" (только через ять, а не букву е), это родственно готскому mer. Соответственно, это значит "великий в своей власти". Аналогично все остальные имена: Яромир - великий в своей ярости (а не яростный миром, это просто чушь какая-то), итд. То, что кто-то из славян поклонялся Солнцу достоверно не установлено - хотя это и возможно теоретически, в наше время эти представления пошли от неонаци, которые онанируют на свастику. В действительности, славяне поклонялись примерно тем же индоевропейским богам, что и все остальные, от греков до скандинавов: громовержец Перун (аналогичен Тору и Юпитеру), итд.
At 8:20 that word 'urr' also sounds similar to the Hungarian word for power 'erő'. I'm guessing that's the one that's supposed to be the same word so it's interesting why it would be similar. (oh and 'úr' also means man) I notice these similarities with all sorts of languages allegedly completely unrelated.
The Finnish people's history and the history of this whole region is shrouded in mystery, but you can find some possible clues when you study the languages. Wends=Vinds=Finns (Finland used to be called Vinland). It's thought that the word Russia refers to the Finnish word Ruotsi (=Sweden). The Finnish word for Finland is Suomi, which resembles Sami (the northern Sami people). Slovenia seems to be a combination of slo=slav and venia=Venäjä (Russia in Finnish). Very confusing indeed. Maybe someone can make sense of this? When you study the maps, big portions of Northwest Russia have Finnish town names. As well as some parts of Sweden, Norway, Latvia and Lithuania. Estonia of course has Finnic place names, since Estonian is a Finnic language. Can anybody ever solve this puzzle? 😄 Ps. And now I'm learning that this "Rus" or Gardariki is basically Carelia, which by the way used to belong to Finland. Carelians are a Finnish tribe and Carelian language is a Finnic language. I wonder how and when our history and people were "deleted" and replaced by slavic people to form this "new Russia". Where did the Slavs come from originally? It seems that they drove the Finns into this narrow piece of land, when originally Western Russia belonged to Finns.
Славяне происходят от слова «слово», переводятся как «народ слова». Это самоназвание. Делить на «сло» и «вене» нельзя, это индоевропейская основа. Старое название славянских племен - венды, венеты и т.д. Корни эти встречаются в топонимах Европы и Прибалтики, где венеты проживали всегда. Что странно, для германских племен было противоположное название - «немцы», то есть немые, не умеющие разговаривать. Но финские племена различались по названиям - корелы, чудь, мурома и т.д., с ними составлялись племенные союзы и т.д. - получается, языковой барьер не был значителен либо как-то преодолевался. «Немцами», немыми, не называли финнов, это, действительно, странно.
Ingegerd/Iryna/Anna orthodox saint, born in Västergötland, Sweden with a slavic/Obotritic princess mother. She had nine siblings and half-siblings.. The siblings in Ace of Base are probably related like Bodil in Timoteij etc. They have their deepest roots in Västergötland like Iryna... That explains their looks, musicality and spirituality.... Jenny is talking about in her biography seeing angels getting visions.. PS A careful count makes it probable with at least 100 000 related people today! With some It's obvious.. One of Iryna's daughters, Anna married the King of France! Henri de Bourgogne..in 11th c France...DS
I've enjoyed your videos and I think they are well done and seem accurate. Comments can get a little bit irritating though. I think you should make a video answering some comments to explain things in a bit more detail.
Unfortunately there's a lot of comments from Ukrainians here who's view on history been heavily politicised and edited, and therefore the knowledge is patchy at best of times.
@@garrgravarr Just the pinned one. Maybe some farther down. He is just exaggerating. If you want to find bots from both sides, political analysis channels are full of them
Patchy? They straight up contradict themselves and eachother, why claiming to present "the true history". Just a huge inferiority complex made worse by 30 years of slow decay and depression.
Есть такое слово, как интуиция и провидение. В Голливуде режиссеры всегда зовут в кино играть "плохих русских" шведов. Не зовут играть англичан, поляков, украинцев, немцев, французов, а приглашают только шведов. В этом ответ, кто такие русские? Русские всегда будут для Запада "плохими ребятами", потому что викинги всегда были "плохими ребятами" для Запада, для Ватикана. Поэтому русским никогда не стоит из-за этого расстраиваться и принимать на свой счет. Надо принимать это как должное, как свою Историю.
Очень интересная теория. У западных людей вообще сложившийся веками культурный код враждебности ко всему восточному (а восток, по их представлениям, начинается как раз с России): это отражается не только в кино, но и в других видах искусства, особенно в литературе. Только я не припоминаю фильмов, в которых русских играли шведы. Напомните, пожалуйста, было бы интересно глянуть
@@rhosia Дольф Лундгрен в Рокки 4 и красном скорпионе, Макс фон Сюдов в гражданине Х и кремлёвском письме, Стеллан Скарсгард в охоте за "красным октябрём", Майкл Найквист в Джоне Уике, Петер Стормаре в Армагеддоне и втором Джоне Уике
@@rhosia этому "культурному коду" в лучшем случае лет 70, он появился во времена холодной войны, до 1917 Россия вообще была рядовой европейской империей
@@AnimeforDauns Я с вами не соглашусь. Враждебность к востоку и, в том числе русофобия - уже очень старая история. Я уже писал по этому поводу длинный комментарий под другим видео, я его сюда просто скопирую, чтобы не писать заново. Все, народы восточнее Польши (или южнее Египта) - веками воспринимались западными людьми как «дикие орды», которые собирают силы, чтобы захватить и поработить весь «цивилизованный» Западный мир. Отсюда все эти иррациональные представления о Московии или Тартарии. Причин тут может быть много, возможно так на них когда-то повлиял страх перед Золотой Ордой, от которой Россия их защитила (как всегда защищала и от других захватчиков, даже от самих себя). А может быть эта ментальность такая - среди западных литературных классиков как Джозеф Конрад или Редьярд Киплинг постоянно сквозят темы «безумных» восточных или африканских земель (Сердце Тьмы, Баллада о Западе и Востоке). Даже у Толкина, который по его собственным словам, никаких политических аллегорий во «Властелин Колец» не вкладывал, эта культура враждебности ко всему восточному - четко прослеживается. Мордор же находится на востоке, а его союзниками являются харадримы и истерлинги (по сути африканцы и арабы), а не «белые» люди Гондора и Рохана. Русофобия, которая является краеугольным камнем враждебности западных людей ко всему восточному - довольно древнее явление. Особенно она стала заметна (сюприз-сюприз), после того как Петр I отгрохал империю и дал по зубам самой мощной европейской монархии того времени - Шведской. И основал на ее бывших землях новую столицу. Моментально все западные интеллектуалы начали клеймить русских «отсталыми», «дикими», «тупыми и грязными», держа в одной руке перо, а другой придерживая панталоны, а то они спадут от страха прямо при дамах. Когда же Русская армия вошла в Париж в 1814 году, то вся Европа упала в обморок на 15 лет, а как отошла, послала в Россию «просвещенного месье» Астольфа де Кюстина, чтобы объявить всему миру, как мы дико тут живем, какие жестокие у нас нравы и какая печальная у нас природа. Ну вы поняли, короче - победа над Наполеоном - это ошибка, такого не могло быть! Затем был расцвет Российской империи, затем восстановление после революции и Гражданской войны, создание СССР, победа над нацизмом, полет в космос и превращение в сверхдержаву. И даже после 1991 года, мы не стали бесплатно раздавать все свои территории и ресурсы до конца, а взяли другой курс и начали заново отстраивать страну. Одновременно со всеми этими историческими процессами, Россия явила миру тысячи гениальных ученых, писателей, музыкантов, поэтов, артистов, политологов, врачей, великих открытий и побед. Все это привело к тому, что нашим «западным партнерам» уже не оклематься: у страха глаза велики. Не зря в американо-европейских фильмах мы по прежнему все бесправно сидим в плесневелых серых подвалах КГБ и от несчастной нищей жизни мечтаем прорваться в «озаренную благородным светом» Европу или США. Разумеется, чтобы устроить там криминал в лучших традициях «Руссо-Бандито Yuriy». И на награбленное построить себе в родных снегах роскошные дворцы с водкой и балеринами. И комнатой для матрешек. Почему-то (интересно, почему?) тотальная толерантность в западной культуре коснулась абсолютно всех: картину, корзину, картонку, и маленькую собачонку, но не русских. Ну и конечно совершенно не стоит забывать о том, что они делали с коренным населением при колонизации Америки, Дальнего Востока и Африки. Одни лишь реки крови ради будущего «цивилизованного мира». Да, у нас тоже было освоение Сибири и Аляски, войны в Средней Азии и на Кавказе, стычки с аборигенами и зверства колонизаторов-головорезов. Но как-то царское, а затем советское правительство умело договариваться с местным населением без его уничтожения, не зря сложилось представление, что русские колонизаторы были гораздо более гуманными к аборигенам, чем европейские. И не стоит забывать, что и при Российской Империи, и при Советском Союзе, в Средней Азии и на Кавказе русские оставляли дороги, дома и промышленные предприятия, а не голод и ВИЧ. Напоминаю, что коренные американцы поныне сидят в резервациях в «просвещенных» штатах: сидите в клетке и не жалуйтесь, зато у вас налогов нет (потому что ничего нет). Так что в таком мире мы живем. Господа, которые считают себя вершиной человеческой цивилизации - не очень привыкли (и хотят) считаться с другими народами на планете. Причина очень простая - самая обыкновенная человеческая трусость. Страх потерять свою «исключительность» и жить в мире, где место под солнцем добывается трудом и взаимопомощью, а не дается по определению. В дополнение могу сказать, что русофобия, скорее всего, имеет начало в 16 веке, когда между Россией и Польско-Литовской унией были споры за территорию современной Украины. Именно оттуда идет весь этот бред про «жестокую варварскую Московию», которая хочет поработить исконно славянские земли Киевской Руси. Прошли века - а в западной пропаганде ничего не поменялось, тот же мрак для необразованных людей.
Gostomysl the ruler before rurik has a wendish name, my speculation is that wends were invited by the Slavs to help their faction take over the Ladoga area, the Finnic peoples invited the Scandinavians to drive out the Slavs
@@koalabear1984 Wends were a tribe of Slavs that lived in what is now northeastern Germany, the Slavic tribes living around Lake Ilmen called themselves Slovenes (called Ilmen Slavs to distinguish them from the modern nationality) or Krivichs
A holm in Russian language means a hill. A grad in Russian is the same as a gorod i.e a town/city. The word 'grad' has slavic roots but the word 'gorod' has ancient Russian roots. Novgorod is Russian name. Holmgrad is slavic name, which could have meaning hilly city/town, ot city/town on the hill.
bro, make a video about the Swedenborgian faith of Rurikid dynasty. (Wiki is silent on the matter.) Also, Alexander I (Holy Alliance) was murdered because he wanted to reinstall this sacred gamer doctrine, and move the capital to Holmgard (Sweden), but proto-communists did janny option to him. Each of us shall know the truth.
I have no idea, why and how. But I remember one night dreaming about something called Novgorod, this name I had never heard of. I later found out it is a place. Now I found out that some Finns might have history there. Being finnish myself it is intriguing.
I had never heard of this before as a Russian Capital. I always assumed it was Novgorod prior to the establishment of the "Kievan Rus" with Kyiv as the Capital. I can understand the name and existence of it given the strength of Scandinavian influence at that time. Nice finding something new !!
This is one of the best videos I've seen on YT, fascinating, well researched and delivered with aplomb - thank you! One thing that occurs to me, given the apparent scarcity of early Norse religious items, is that it could well be that "Norse" culture was seen as fashionable or appealing in some way, and so copied. Just because you have Norse artefacts doesn't mean you have many Norse. This would mirror a debate in the UK over the extent of Anglo-Saxon migration in the C5 & 6. Could I offer one small pronunciation correction to your otherwise excellent English? The word 'comb' is pronounced " kəʊm " or 'kohm'. The 'b' is not pronounced but the 'm' is extended in length - a bit like 'mm' for expressing agreement or consideration. The pronunciation you used was like the word 'combe', which is Brythonic word for a valley, especially one near the sea.
Or they came from elsewhere or were killed off via war or disease. Only rusty metal would be found via a metal detector. All else buried under meters of earth. Lost to time.
Holm is a widely used danish landscape word for a tiny low peninsula just above water - area of a few acers. Gard or Gård is the word for a farm or dwelling
And gård ,gard, has same origin as now eng. gard meaning :shelter ,protection, and later synonymus with gård (farm). Holm , can mean sv. holme or as sl. hill. Mabye it an integration from people liveframträdanden there.
In russian, "holm" (холм) means hill, "Gorod" (город) - city or town, "ogorod" (огород) - fenced territory for farm and literally means something was dedicated and separated from other territory.
Ingegerd/Iryna/Anna orthodox saint, born in Västergötland, Sweden with a slavic/Obotritic princess mother. She had nine siblings and half-siblings.. The siblings in Ace of Base are probably related like Bodil in Timoteij etc. They have their deepest roots in Västergötland like Iryna of Kyiv-Rus... That explains their looks, musicality and spirituality.... Jenny is talking about in her biography seeing angels getting visions.. PS Iryna/Ingegerd was given Ingermanland/Ingria at Ladoga as a wedding gift by Jaroslav the wise, today almost a forgotten landscape...DS
Holm does not mean an island, it means "hill" actually. Gorodische does not bear a past time sense, it simply means "settlements", with common -sche suffix like in many other slavic nouns.
Thank you much, Baltic Empire! You are working under a very interesting and underrated things. I always thought, that it would be really cool to have a kind of "northern europe" history channel💯
Ancestors of modern Russians are Balto-Slavs, Finno-Ugric people and Scandinavians (according to genetic testing on mytrueancestry every russian is getting like 3-4 Viking ancestors), Now all these people were present on territory of Holmgard. The mix was already in place. Later Russians just conquered more of Slavic and finnic tribes.
Russians are Scythians. r1a haplogroup. habitat 1 in 1. Scythians are the most ancient civilization. punishers of India, Iran and Europe. Aryans with swastikas. their land is Tart-ARIA
@@CA-jz9bm there is no "different". one root, various branches. The satem isogloss is similar to the area of the r1a haplogroup. they are one people, one language and one root. This is a linguistic and genetic fact with double crossing of areas.
it was just a translation of Westslavic name Ostrovogard for that settlement There were also normans who came with Varangs-Rus with Ruric and his brothers to Ilmen region from Pomerania. Later they went to Kiev and served Russian kings as guards. Norwegian genes were found around Kiev City. @@meikala2114
@@comment6864 That is interesting. Do you know the etymology? Imho, Holmgård appears in Scandinavian sources and the name comes from when there was still Scandinavian influence on the old Rus. So it is worthwhile to examine holm in old norse as an origin of the name.
I think that a lot of the confusion and belief that the baltic area was at this time strictly divided into ethnic areas is a heritage of national romantic nonsense. just like what we today call sweden had areas that was settled by slavic people early on (vendel culture/Wends) so did slavic areas. To some extent i think the cultures both being indo-european with a similar pantheon of gods and similar core components and heritage was easily adopted or assimilated into. I mean just look at the linguistic confusion of the name with Holm gard/gorod, even the language still had similarities that are hard for us today to judge how easy the slavs and the norse inter-communicated. It is also very interesting that the vendel culture main area is smack in area with the most "slavic" N1c DNA. So what came first, the hen or the egg?
No confusion what so ever, the swedish thing is made up in the video. The word that should be used is 'grad' (same meaning as 'gorod'). 'gard' is a purely germanic (and i guess swedish) suffix that has absolutely no relevance to these Russian cities.
Rus = Russia. And that the state called the Russian Federation, the Russian Socialist Soviet Republic or the Russian Empire claims to represent this nation doesn’t change anything.
@yourreflection2536 Reval. Tallinn has been Danish, German, Swedish, Moscoviet, Russian, Soviet Union and before, between and Today Estonian citi. 1481, it was Moscoviets invided Reval. So Russia did not exist at that time.
@@karilang9377 they were then Russian with their main city in Moscow. But since at that time there was still Lithuanian Rus', who, by the way, were also called not Russians but Litvins. And then there was Novgorod, whose residents also called themselves Russians. It was necessary to somehow distinguish them, so they were called by their main cities or by their main people, as in the case of Lithuania. After all, the Teutons and Prussians were not called Germans either, but that did not stop them from being Germans.
Yes, Rus = men that rows. Sverige stems from the people Svear which means returners. So Sweden is the land of the people that row back here potentially landing near Roslagen.
There were no iron arrow heads, sorry cant make it. They were low quallity steel. Welcome to metallurgy. To make iron you have to isolate the smelted ore from air, otherwise it combine with carbone dioxide to form steel. Furthermore most metalsmiths forged their tools on an open fire, more carbon from the coals. So, no, not iron but steel.
There was no such thing as a Capital of Ancient Russia. Russia did not exist at that time. Even Moskovia did not exist at that period. Moscovia was established in 1283. Moscovian tsar Ivan the Terrible destroyed Novgorod in 1570, massacred all population and burned the city to the ground. This is how it became part of Moskovia first, after Moskovia declared itself Russia in 1721, Novgorod became part of Russia. Also Rus has nothing to do with Russia. The title is inacurate. Why to mislead your viewers? We are not dumb.
I don’t think it’s meant to mislead anybody. That area is today known as Russia, which is why it is referred to as ancient. Would be like saying “ancient china” even though a unified state known as china is a modern thing. It’s simply ease of terminology. Nobody would want to watch a video titled called “Holmgang, the city in lands we currently call Russian but actually weren’t called Russia in the past and the Russians technically massacred them and this even predates the muscovites.”
that is you who are misleading, gathereing all this sh..t from your ukrainian schools
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Moscovian tsar Ivan the fourth Rurikovich hmmmm...
Why does that last name sound familiar?
@@runemasterhariwulfaz5267Ironically, ancient Rus was ancient Russia until 2022 when suddenly it became ancient Ukraine
Hello, I am historical student from Russia. I like your channel, your videos is very good. It is rarely fashionable to see English-language content on this topic.
However, comments are something terrible. But that's always the case under historical videos: politics, controversy, and human stupidity. So, l wish you good luck!
And a little remark: "gorodishche" is pronounced with an accent on the "i"
Если Вы изучаете историю , то должны в итоге понимать , что это наука связанная с психологией .
Законами восприятия , памяти , способности и необходимости к мифотворчеству .
Например память исключает отрицательный опыт , иначе нервная система , под копящимся грузом отрицательных эмоций будет разрушаться .
При этом историк изучает именно прошлое .
То есть он должен понять , что есть информация о прошлом , которой он обладает , насколько она мифологична и зная законы мифотворчества , понять что было в реальности .
Те , кто создает опусы подобные этому о чужой истории , как раз стремятся создать нужный миф к своей выгоде , так что и комментарии этих ограниченных , западных обывателей , не должны Вас удивлять .
Привет .
all information in this video half mismatch and half fake!!!!!
@@Піняк_Микола-Остап остапа нессло
Ingegerd/Iryna/Anna orthodox saint, born in Västergötland, Sweden with a slavic/Obotritic princess mother. She had nine siblings and half-siblings.. The siblings in Ace of Base are probably related like Bodil in Timoteij etc. They have their deepest roots in Västergötland like Iryna... That explains their looks, musicality and spirituality.... Jenny is talking in her biography seeing angels getting visions.. PS A careful count makes it probable with at least 100 000 related people today! With some It's obvious.. One of Iryna's daughters, Anna married the King of France! Henri de Bourgogne..in 11th c France...DS
Hello from Novgorod!❤
I don't understand why we always had so few tourists here. The city itself is in 2 hours ride from Saint-Petesburg and you can personaly see everything that was in this video: Kremlin, Gorodishe (we call it Rurikovo Gorodishe or Gorodishe of Rurik), Peryn, and many-many more. Be our guests!
I will certainly come one day. Greetings from Slovenia!
До Новгорода от Питера часа четыре езды, причем часть по не очень хорошей дороге. Но город суперский
@@Graf_Ka-Ka Я про машину, на электричке дольше, да. На автрбусе/машине до Купчино по платной дороге за два часа можно добраться, может два с половиной
@@Scar322 оч странно. Ездил туда буквально осенью и потратил часа три на машине. Посмотрел сейчас по картам - два тридцать. Парадокс
I thought Kremlin was only a Moscow thing, thank you for enlightening!
There were so much contact between Sweden and Russia 1000 years ago, so we have some common folklore even.. Older people from east Sweden, when they see a black cat, spit three times over their left shoulder when they want to stop bad luck to happen..They do the same in Russia... There are also believe in Tomte, in Russia Domevoi. In Sweden we call it Troll, in Russia Lezji... There are also other examples.., but this signifies much contact in the viking-age....
In Serbia allso 😊
In Montenegro some spit some scratch their balls
Русы не шведы.Рослаген фейк придуманный шведами с помощью Романовых и немецких учёных.Русь существовала ещё до Рорака.Рорак это славянское имя,оно означает - сокол.Герб Рорака пикирующий сокол. Украинцы изуродовали его символ превратив его в клеймо для скота хазарского каганата.Русь значит наполненая солнцем земля.Русы значит русые. Русый значит цвета солнца. Историю Руси уничтожали Романовы,чтобы перевести русских в христианство. Люди бунтовали и ненавидели новую религию. Это событие названо кровавым крещением. Только со временем когда народ лишили его истоков и памяти и переписали и перерисовали все иконы люди стали воспринимать Святовида как троицу, а Сварога который и без христиан был у нас Богом творцом и создателем всего сущего и называл нас своими детьми - христианским Илохимом.
@progresstothestarsall are Finns*
False! When Russians see a black cat they call for it to pet it.
Thank you for including music from the Morrowind OST.
Knew that sounded familiar :)
@chicliac OH god I'm not insane, I heard it for only a moment but was immediately confused. So unexpected but not unwelcome
Holm ( "Холм") when spoken in Russian literally means "hill". So it makes sense.
дословный перевод - Новый Город
Причём тут новый город если в русском языке холм это и есть холм то есть возвышенность.
А там Хольм, а не Холм
@@la1sk203 Holm means "little island" in old norse and still do in swedish.....
@tommirt это вполне нормальное изменение наименования в другом языке. Просто немного другое произнесение слова. Например, слово Stop у нас звучит как Стоп, в английском как Стап. И таких примеров множество
It is crazy how words for city and new are so similar in Scandinavian languages and Slavic languages.
That's because of both languages descent from Indoeuropean and maybe also geograpical proximity and because of mutual interactions and influences on to each other, which led to the point that they didn't diverge more from each other like other Indoeuropean languages.
In slavic languages "grad" can be used on a lot of "enclosed" areas. A vineyard is called "vinograd" in Serbo-Croatian for example and the verb "graditi" can be translated to "building". 🙂
little addendun: This word still exists in other germanic languages, just with another meaning.
It's "Garden" (English), "Garten" (German) and this probably stems from the fact that a garden would also often be somehow enclosed. And there is also the word "guard" in English and "Garde" in German (which is used for honor guards)🙂
When i was learning some swedish as a russian, i noticed a few surprising overlaps in vocabulary, it goes beyond just broad terms, everyday objects, descriptions of times etc. It's quite fun to discover this stuff.
@@goranatanasovski6463garden in Russian is "ogorod".
@@lukdhguirg7121 Makes sense, in Serbo-Croatian "ograditi" would mean "fencing off" something and "ograda" the fence itself. So "ogorod" would be the area that is fenced off.
holm is the Russian root for a small hill, not an island, though of course an island may well have a hill on it.
In Serbian the old term HELM was any elevated terrain. The words are probably related. An island would logical be a 'holm' because it is a piece of land protruding or raising from the water.
@@gideonros2705 Perhaps.. but it's a stretch, because never in Russian is holm used to mean anything other than a small hill. In fact you can have a holm on an island (island = ostrov), the implication being NOT the entire island.
Holm is actually small island in Swedish and many other Germanic languages. In Proto-Germanic the word was hulmaz which was borrowed into Proto-Slavic and became holm in the sense of hill.
@@glaz5228 Exactly, they are trying to apply foreign words to Russian typography. It was mentioned that holm is an island, but in Russian it is not! I figured out of course that it is likely in Swedish, etc.
@@comment6864 in Swedish, Danish and Norwegian a Holm is a small elevated hill. The Danish Island of Bornholm is called so because it's like a small "Holm" in the Baltic sea. And the Born is because it is where The Burgundians originated from. Or Borgunderne as we call them in most Nordic languages. But Serbia should be thankfull that we gave them culture!:)
There is a boat trip in Lake Ilmen where you can spot many interesting sights. Novgorod is actually amazing in its history. It should receive more investments and attention but it is kinda forgotten between Peter and Moscow
But on the other side tourist attractions around Europe usually end up having their history erroded or heavily damaged by tourists or for "accommodation"
Большое спасибо. Я из России,историк, этнограф. Великий Новгород до сих пор среди многих европейских историков считается настоящим Европейским городом средневековья.
Всмысле "настоящим европейским городом средневековья"?
@@Edarnon_Brodieв том смысле, что он был включен в европейскую экономику средневековья.
В наше время европоцентризма обычные научные термины звучат подозрительно. Но меня раздражает, если честно, когда Востоком называют все, что не Запад. Восток такой разный; что арабы, что китайцы, что индонезийцы, что бывшие советские республики Средней Азии, и что, сюрприз-сюрприз, Дагестан. Главное, чтобы к каждой стране и культуре подходили без стереотипов.
попробуй жить своим мозгом, а не европейских историков. откроется много чудных тайн. в эру информационной революции смешно опираться на мнение (((истогриков))). можно лично не выходя из дома увидеть тысячи артефактов, текстов и генетических данных связав всё это в реальною хронологию без флёра дешевой пропаганды типа евроцентризма и прочей ереси.
all information in this video half mismatch and half fake!!!!!
I can contribute by translating text at 13:55 "Bow to you from Smenka and from Korelina. We come to your village Pitarevo. What do you say? Master, order anything. And I will serve you.
It's easy to understand that Semen Korelin run from his prevoius feudal to new master and want to serve him now.
It is crazy to imagine that humans would be colonizing other solar systems in an unrivaled golden age of prosperity were it not for the lack of a baltic empire 😢
Surprisingly it was a great documentary, well done. It is so hard to find a decent and non biased documentary on the Slavic culture. I would like to add a few points though:
1) Gorod/grad did not initially mean a city, it's basically a fortification like "castle" (a wooden castle) where Knyaz resides with his druzhina.
2) Holm means "a hill" so holmgorod is just a fortification on the hill. So Rurik just built a new fortification after Holmgard, that's why it's named "new fortification".
3) There was a city of Slovensk according to the chronicles in the place of Novgorod, established ~ 3k BC. So Rurik came to Slovensk and established Novgorod ( built a new castle).
That's total bs, obviously. There were no slavs in this region 5 thousand years ago. These "chronicles" you site are no more than folklore and not a historical document
In Denish From the vikings.
Holmgard , Holmgaard or Holmgård.
Part 1. Holm = Mening place near water.
Part 2. Gard Means Farm.
Farm near water. With time could evolve into a town and be used for last name/ sure / family name for a person. In Denmark right now we have 1368 people with the sure name Holmgaard. And 65 people with Holmgård :-)
In Russian 1) holm = a hill
2) gard = guard. Basically an all around fortification, which later became a word for the city. But it's meaning is not "a farm" and never was. It's meaning is "guard" = gard. Any fortified or guarded area.
@@korana6308 неудивительно, славяне были расселены до Дании, по территории нынешней северо-восточной Германии, да и в других местах с викингами контачили нередко. И судя по тому, что города вырастали из крепости/форта, построенного, как правило, на холме, возвышенности (кстати, холм у воды/реки весной часто бывает островом) - похоже, что славянское происхождение "холмгард"/"холмград" тут более реалистично. Ну, а у датчан слово "град"/ город просто превратилось со временем в "огород".
Original meaning of gard could be settlement. But it might have been chosen because it was similar to slavic Gorod...
are there any plans for making a video(s) on finnic populations during these time like the one on the wends?
I’d be very curious about that. I’ve always wondered about the heavy preponderance of haplogroup N extending from Lithuania to the lands much further north east
@@runemasterhariwulfaz5267 ive read that a couple estonian archaeologists and historians agree with the theory of finnic conquerors conquering the baltic and thus spreading the N haplogroup via rapes. those same articles say it happend within a generation likely.
this and some other archeological and linguistic evidence may also point to an extremely shortlived (feudal) state (some even say that the myths of kaleva and his sons are from this time period, and that the person who inspired kaleva was the leader of this state), which covered most of the baltics and possibly even mälar area in sweden (evidence points to a finnic elite population, nicknamed mälar finns, living and ruling over a small part of sweden for a short amount of time before being assimilated)
granted, this is all speculation and theory, but its just some ive read
unite Baltics in a horisontal-democratic autonomous anarcho-syndicate and we talk xD
@@TicketLicker what?
@@dasarath5779 this makes sense. From what I’ve seen haplogroup N showed up very rapidly around 500 BC. It is interesting that Lithuania and Latvia retained a proto-Indo-European language and many other areas maintained a Uralic one
Hi there, I want to add the we Slovenes still exist, we only moved from Russia to Slovenia. We know that we contributed to the founding of Novgorod state, but for some reason this topic is forbidden among the public as well among the historians both on the slovenian side as well on the russian side. About names, Gorodishe, Gradishe in slovenian means a fortified settlement sorounded by a palisade and ditches. Holm is a hill, Gorod, Grad is a settlement or a fortification, Novgorod is Novigrad meaning new town. Pozerie, Pojezerje meaning lake side.
No. Slovenians in Nowgorod spoke East Slavic. Not South Slavic.
@@berserk9085 Are you Russian?
@@darkobozic6831 Yes. And?
@@berserk9085 Russians by default reject any connection with Slovenians.
@@darkobozic6831 Why? Never heard of that.
I love your content, keep it up! Have you considered doing any videos on the different Baltic tribes? I'd love to see a video on the Yotvingians or maybe the Baltic Prussians!
all information in this video half mismatch and half fake!!!!!
I always learn so much Norse from these vids.
Holm-hlm-hum on Slavic(Serbian) mean hill. Holmgard -(Hlmgrad),mean,city on hill.
Yup, in Russian too!! But here they keep insisting on Swedish 'holme', which i guess means island LOL, and keep using the germanic ending 'gard' instead of 'grad', the slavic one. 😆
I know also butterbread is Russian
Потому что древнерусское слово для холма не холм а хълмъ (хелме). Название тогда должно было быть "Хелмеграде" ("хелме" и "граде", так как в древнерусском языке было не типично оканчивать слово на согласную), а вот "holm", "holmr" или "holmi" в то время обозначало островок на языке варяг (древнескандинавский), но не обозначал "холм" на языке местных славян. "Gard" (сокращение слова garðr) обозначало укрепление или крепость. Древне русский язык похож, но одновременно очень отличаетсья от современного языка.
Because the ancient russian word for hill is not holm but хълмъ (helme). The name then should have been “Helmegrade” (“helme” and “grade”, since in the Old Russian language it was not typical to end a word with a consonant), but “holm”, “holmr” or “holmi” at that time designated a small island in the Varangian (Old Norse) language, but did not mean “hill” in the language of the local Slavs. "Gard" (short form of garðr) meant fortified position or fort. The ancient russian (old east slavic) language is similar, but at the same time very different from the modern language@@comment6864
@@petrygebliebenerschlagerfan67 Serbian lenguage have some synonyms for word hill (brdo, hlm hum,breg(similar to Swedish berg )). Gard or Slavic(Serbian) grad means city or fortress on hill.
HOLMGARD-HUMGRAD-FORTRES ON HILL
Boston was the first capital of Russia confirmed
Very interesting study on eastern Scandinavians Baltic origin: "Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages’"
Thank you for sharing your work 💙🙏
English: „Island compound“ ☝️🤓
Norse: „Holmgard“ 🪓🗿🛡
A better English translation would be keygarden
Or Islecester
Holmgrad = hill town in Slavic
Rygsack=Ryggsäck
@@m.l.6685 nej, ditt dumma jävla fanskap till icke-människa haha 😂
I was on the edge of my seat the whole time! Superb animation!
What a great video, the odds are some of this is correct and your narration and editing is excellent, I hope you get the chance to make many more, well done 👍
Gorodishe translates more like Big City
you can add -ishe to anything and it will make it sound bigger
ruka - hand, ruchishe - giant hand
riba - fish, ribishe - giant fish
Кострище - место, где когда-то горел костёр, и в силу того что костёр удобно всегда жечь в одном и том же месте кострищем так-же называют специально предназначенное для костра место, как пример.Всякие раскапываемые древние деревни и сёла называют городищем.
чел, это лингвистика от Нагиева - "Тарифищеее"?🤣В центрально-европейской части России везде, где были крепости на холме, такие места издревле называются "городищем". А у тебя логика пляшет от слова "дофигища".
Вы правы, но не полностью.
Вы замечали что слово огород и город однокоренные слова?!
Скорее правильней считать, что поселение больше чем обычно. Но не как большой город.
Отсюда же и этимология слова Гардарики -- страна городов.
Суть в том, что более менее большое поселение обносили частоколом -- огорождали территорию. И когда скандинавы пришли на территорию восточноевропейской равнины, они увидели множество городов.
Another good video, but I would love to see you tell more stories like the Beer-Hood one.
the saga readings don't perform well
No, his Moscow centrated (colonial) terminology is badly misleading...
@@adamradziwill lots of misleading stuff in this video
@@adamradziwill Deal with it
@@adamradziwilldon't say anything bad about Moskva. Finnugri word ending with -va means at water. And Moskva means a cow drinking / crossing place. Finns were first living there and later were mixed with Mongolians.
Ilmen is a Balto-Finnic word and the oldest Balto-Finnic scriptures were found there and ancient Karelians constituted an important part of the population, but of course, no mention of them here.
Even today the lake is called Ilmajärvi in Finnish. We have, for example, a river called Ilmajoki.
ilmen is also a turkic word hmm i wonder if it is even more ancient word@@erkkinhowhat does Il mean ?
ilmen means Land Man or in better words it means citizen , il means homeland in Turkic@@erkkinho
@@emrecanarduc4378 Ilma means air in Finnish and is common in place names. No way the name is Turkic.
Finnic were living there first. Give it back to us.
A bit of nerdic notice but on 00:25 you call the place where the river starts ‘the mouth’. I think you confused it with ‘a head/headwaters etc.’ since youre definitely talking about the place where it starts and a mouth is where a river ends. Correct me if I don’t get something.
I love your voice and the history you tell! ❤ Thank You my brother!!! 🙏
Are there any ship burial monds within the vicinity of that region?
Курганы там везде есть
This was an excellent video. There is so much content. Thank you.
[I believe that some of the wheel of time lore must have been inspired from this history.]
all information in this video half mismatch and half fake!!!!!
another linguistic link between novogorod and western slavs is the often disputed naming of the "ilmen slovenes" slovenes also being the name of the slavs who have settled in modern day slovenia, and slovenia often being bearing closer similarities to western slavs than the southern slavs.
Yes, aexactly.
Thanks! Lot here in the English speaking world don't easily have access to information like this.
Holmegård? Sound awfully *historically Scandinavian*
It really does!
it is Ostrovogard -Holmgard, Ostrovogard is from Westslavic language of polabian slavs/gard is a town, in Scandinavian gard is a small village/. who were colonised that territory they called themselves slovene, not slovane as eastslavic called themselves. Stove that was found in Ruric`s Gorodishche was of westslavic origin ! There are written legends of westslavic that tells about Ruric, Truvar and Suvar who went to east to Russia to rule over local tribes.
@@kimrizo1938 The evidence points towards the Wendish material culture, religion, and genetics. Maybe the nomad Turks were so impressed with the Wendish prince-horse-masters in the Eastern European plains they called them khans.
khan,knjaz(king),korol(karl),tsar(cesar) were loaned from different languages@@that1metalhead792
Holm is from Serbina Hlm and it means Hill
Уважаемые авторы канала...а что известно вам относительно сигтукнского похода новгородцев и карел 1187 года. Чем была вызвана такая жёсткая реакция Новгородской республики... Почему новгородское государство уничтожило древнюю столицу Швеции ??? Есть ли трактовки и версии данного похода среди уважаемых специалистов на Западе ?
Gorodische means “mighty city” not “new city”. Makes sense that it was a forestress given the name and strategic location at the mouth of the river.
@@chriselliott4621 Gorod means city and originates from proto Slavic for a protected or fortified place. Nov does indeed mean new. Gorodische translates to a “might fortress” or “might town”. Not disputing that it’s the original settlement, just want to add some clarity.
@@bigboy379not might, but big.
No, it means the place of a city, in this sense it means the place of a city that no longer exists. Just like pozharische is a place of pozhar, and stanovische is a place for stan.
@@ChirkunovIvan it have both meanings
An excellent and interesting account of a complex period.
Sorbs are western slavs from Germany and the Germans still call them wendishe while they call themself serby.. So wend is probably a German word for slavs
They are Luzitza Serbs, so Serbs not Slavs. Wends is other name for all Serbs that live there used by forigners.
Wends truly mean Slav in German! correct (Slav) from Sloven(free, ruled without a lord -king,not slava the glorious!!!
@@acfdoo830 Sorbs not serbs
@@letecitoster3469its the same, depends of dialect
wow that's interesting! thank you so much 🙏
Gorodische is more like a colloquialism for 'big clumsy city' or 'giant city', perhaps 'important significant city', but not old city. Perhaps it is now being interpreted as meaning old, because it was in fact the original, well established city, while Novgorod was the newer one, which is literally what its name means.
Gorodische is "old city" just like kostrische is "old fire place"
@@Truffle_Young_Jr и пожарище. Сгоревшее что-либо. Здание, лес и т.п.
@@Felix1971Mig остатки давнего пожара
@@Felix1971Mig пожарище это большой пожар, также как зрелище это большое или чудовищное представление
@@Felix1971Mig Сгоревшее что-то это пепелище
The Varangian name of the city Holmgård (Holmgarðr or Holmgarðir) is mentioned in Norse Sagas as existing at a yet earlier stage, but historical facts cannot here be disentangled from legend. Originally, Holmgård referred only to the stronghold southeast of the present-day city, Riurikovo Gorodishche. Archeological data suggests that the Gorodishche, the residence of the Knyaz (prince), dates from the middle of the 9th century, whereas the town itself dates only from the end of the 10th century, hence the name Novgorod, the "new city", from Proto-Slavic "Новъ" and "Градъ" (Nov and Grad), although German and Scandinavian historiography suggests the Old Norse term Nýgarðr, or the Old High German term Naugard. The first mention of this Nordic or Germanic etymology to the name of the city of Novgorod (and that of other cities within the territory of the then Kievan Rus') occurs in the 10th-century policy manual De Administrando Imperio by the Byzantine emperor Constantine VII.
The Varangian toponym Holmgard means Islet town or Islet grad, and there are various explanations for why they gave this name. According to Rydzevskaya, the Norse name is derived from the Slavic Holmgrad which means "town on a hill" and may allude to the "old town" preceding the "new town", or Novgorod. Truthfully, the meaning of this Norse toponym, "island garden", has no satisfactory meaning. According to Rydzevskaya, the Norse name is derived from the Slavic "Holmgrad" which means "town on a hill" and may allude to the "old town" preceding the "new town", or Novgorod - for the aforementioned reasons. The city's origin is West Slavic and has sisterly relations with the city of Starigrad, not to mention that all findings of Norse making are items of trade, whereas the Slavic items are domestic produce, the same is seen in R. Gorodische. Herberstein did, in fact, dismiss the idea of the Norse origin of the Rurikids (he states that there is no reason for the Russians to invite foreigners to govern them), and he distinguished them from the Wagrians - whom he had specifically attested as Slavs, the same is repeated in a 1417 Latin manuscript of the Rurikid genealogy where they're attested as a "Wendish" ruling family. Furthermore, I suggest the work of Matti Klinge (The Baltic World) on the matter, he, just like Herberstein, states the same.
Novgorod was built upon a previous settlement known as Gorodishche or Gradishche and was ruled by Ilmen Slovenes. After the unification with Varangian Slavs or Vagrians from current area of Poland and Germany, who ruled over the city of Stargard or "Old City" (Gard meant "City"; surrounded area, like Garden... with "fences"), they moved their capital city to Gradishche and was called New City or Novgard or Novgorod. This is why Varangians or Vagrians were never Vikings, who were simply Jarl tribes.
Novgorod was built in the place of the town Slovensk which originated at ~ 3k BC.
He was not a foregner, Varangians were russoslavic.
@@korana6308 no
Great video. Very enjoyable.
Initially at least according to one founding legend of Sloven and Rus, Novgorod was initially called Slovensk. Ilmen lake was also called Slovene sea.
Озеро называлось ИЛМЕР и никаких словен не было пока не пошел к ним скандинав Олег- Хелг -Одд - Феодор КОНУНГ
👍⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐EXCELLENT WORK!! THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION.
I live in Holmgård, Sweden 👍🏻
idgaf
@petter5721hello from viking dublin Ireland. Skol
Roslagen?
@@erikperik1000 🤣🤣 don't give them good ideas they already belive the most bizare "lore"🥴😂
Hello from Novgorod (Holmgard) ✌❤
I would like to correct some slavic pronunciation: "o" is pronounced the same as in "corn" or "cold", not as "a", and there is a letter in the alphabet "щ" that is pronounced "shch" fully, rather than grouped together such as would be in English. Otherwise great and thorough video, thank you for composing this information!
Depends. In modern Russian, о at the start of most multi-syllabic words has been shortened to а or even a -schwa.
But it used to be pronounced fully, so maybe it makes sense when quoting directly.
For the purpose of describing it though, whichever sounds best in English is the best to use. Flows better
The background music makes it feel like I'm playing Morowind......
time to break out my xbox....😅
“Holm” in Russian means little hill
hulmaz > 𐌷𐌿𐌻𐌼𐍃 > xъlmъ > холмъ > холм
Another sacred Slavic place in Northern Germany is Ruyan (Rugen) island with Sventovit temple. It was conquered and destroyed by Germans in the second half of 13th century.
Интересно то что по-русски Хольмгард звучит как холм и град/город на холме. Как интересно переводиться Стокгольм? По-русски похоже на стекающий холм
If the swedes heard 'cholm-gorod', they probably would hear it as 'Holmgardr"- "island settlement"...
14:35 Is the ''population of Novgorod'' correct to refer to Ilmen Slovenians (novgorod slavs)?
Slovenci :D
Original text in Primary chronicles by monk Nestor says Ilmen Slovene and not Slavs. Slovenes are Slavs, but not all Slavs are Slovenes only Slovenes from Slovenia and Slovakia call themselves like that.
@@darkobozic6831lol, in Russian chronicles the Ilmen Slovenes and Slavs are named the same. Slovenia. Slavs is a book term from the 19th century.
@@darkobozic6831Thus, we can safely say that the Slovenes are not a separate tribe, but a union of Slavic tribes of the Ilmen region.
@@yourreflection2536 Interesting twist. So you are saying all "Slavs" are basically Slovenes?
The most ancient capital of Gardarica (or Gardarikka/Gardarikki) is a small city of Ládoga (Algéidiuborg). It is THERE where Ruric/Rurik/Rorik began his career as the sovereign of the future Ruthenia. There are still the remnants of the stone fortifications consisting of the three towers and two segments of the wall between them; all five fragments in relatively good conditions.
Vineta, northern Venice. Now this city is called St. Petersburg. - petro polis - stone city. ancient city in the north. hence the Wend people - the old name for the SlavIc.
Руси.
New viking theoretic here. Vikings got to thank slavic tribes for finding America prior to Columbus! Vikings were traveling around and robbing local villages, but at some point few communities united and kicked their butt so bad that they have jumped in their drakkars, missed beloved fjords and paddled all the way past Atlantic ocean! Skol ёпта!))
Slavic tribes and Nordic Svea were genetically indistinguishable at the time.
@@daseapickleofjustice7231 да и сейчас, только в зависимости о каких славянах речь идет, русские например Северо-Европейцы с небольшим влиянием Южной Европы
There is a Lubshan fortress in Ladoga with very interesting artifacts. Unfortunately, some things are looted by dark archaeologists and sold on ebay
Can you tell me more about it?
At 22:56 I always considered it to be puzzling that Constantine in DAI refers to prinse Svyatoslaw and his seat of power. He must have been very young when the text was written. I suspect Svyatoslaw was incerted during later copying of the text which, if memory serves, in its eldest form is not contemporary with Constantine VII.
Love the morrowind music!
I aways thought that Ladoga was the original Russian site. Both, the town and the river.
13:31 Could the opposite be truth? Could've Waldemar came from Vladimir?
That's exactly what's happened
Слово Владимир состоит из изначальных русских слов - володеть-владеть и мир. Владимир значит Владеющий миром. Как и имя Ярослав. Яр-значит ярило- солнце, слав-значит славить - восхвалять. Ярослав значит - славяший солнце. Мы поклонялись Солнцу и оно было нашим Богом
@@Marina-d1v8wYaroslav can be translated also as earl of the Slavs!
the first Scandinavian Valdemar, was the grandson of Prince Vladimir Monomakh.
@@Marina-d1v8w на самом деле, это "народная этимология". Владимир не значит "владеющий миром". Раньше окончание было не "мир", а "мер" (только через ять, а не букву е), это родственно готскому mer. Соответственно, это значит "великий в своей власти". Аналогично все остальные имена: Яромир - великий в своей ярости (а не яростный миром, это просто чушь какая-то), итд. То, что кто-то из славян поклонялся Солнцу достоверно не установлено - хотя это и возможно теоретически, в наше время эти представления пошли от неонаци, которые онанируют на свастику. В действительности, славяне поклонялись примерно тем же индоевропейским богам, что и все остальные, от греков до скандинавов: громовержец Перун (аналогичен Тору и Юпитеру), итд.
At 8:20 that word 'urr' also sounds similar to the Hungarian word for power 'erő'.
I'm guessing that's the one that's supposed to be the same word so it's interesting why it would be similar. (oh and 'úr' also means man)
I notice these similarities with all sorts of languages allegedly completely unrelated.
Thank you for the interesting video. 👍
The Finnish people's history and the history of this whole region is shrouded in mystery, but you can find some possible clues when you study the languages. Wends=Vinds=Finns (Finland used to be called Vinland). It's thought that the word Russia refers to the Finnish word Ruotsi (=Sweden). The Finnish word for Finland is Suomi, which resembles Sami (the northern Sami people). Slovenia seems to be a combination of slo=slav and venia=Venäjä (Russia in Finnish). Very confusing indeed. Maybe someone can make sense of this? When you study the maps, big portions of Northwest Russia have Finnish town names. As well as some parts of Sweden, Norway, Latvia and Lithuania. Estonia of course has Finnic place names, since Estonian is a Finnic language. Can anybody ever solve this puzzle? 😄 Ps. And now I'm learning that this "Rus" or Gardariki is basically Carelia, which by the way used to belong to Finland. Carelians are a Finnish tribe and Carelian language is a Finnic language. I wonder how and when our history and people were "deleted" and replaced by slavic people to form this "new Russia". Where did the Slavs come from originally? It seems that they drove the Finns into this narrow piece of land, when originally Western Russia belonged to Finns.
Also, the oldest Finnish text was found somewhere near Volga, quite down south. It's dated way before the Russian Empire even existed.
Славяне происходят от слова «слово», переводятся как «народ слова». Это самоназвание. Делить на «сло» и «вене» нельзя, это индоевропейская основа. Старое название славянских племен - венды, венеты и т.д. Корни эти встречаются в топонимах Европы и Прибалтики, где венеты проживали всегда. Что странно, для германских племен было противоположное название - «немцы», то есть немые, не умеющие разговаривать. Но финские племена различались по названиям - корелы, чудь, мурома и т.д., с ними составлялись племенные союзы и т.д. - получается, языковой барьер не был значителен либо как-то преодолевался. «Немцами», немыми, не называли финнов, это, действительно, странно.
@@ВересковыйЦвет-р5щFinnish word for Germany is Saksa, after Saxons. I didn't know German means dumb. Weird.
“Holm” is “hill”, not “island”
Holme = small island...at least that is the Norse definition of it.
Regardless of what it means, it's a loanword from a Germanic language.
en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/x%D1%8Alm%D1%8A
13:39 I want to say "That looks like a child's homework". Because I bet it's some of Onfim's homework.
Ingegerd/Iryna/Anna orthodox saint, born in Västergötland, Sweden with a slavic/Obotritic princess mother. She had nine siblings and half-siblings.. The siblings in Ace of Base are probably related like Bodil in Timoteij etc. They have their deepest roots in Västergötland like Iryna... That explains their looks, musicality and spirituality.... Jenny is talking about in her biography seeing angels getting visions.. PS A careful count makes it probable with at least 100 000 related people today! With some It's obvious.. One of Iryna's daughters, Anna married the King of France! Henri de Bourgogne..in 11th c France...DS
I've enjoyed your videos and I think they are well done and seem accurate. Comments can get a little bit irritating though. I think you should make a video answering some comments to explain things in a bit more detail.
the lion does not concern itself with the barking of dogs
Unfortunately there's a lot of comments from Ukrainians here who's view on history been heavily politicised and edited, and therefore the knowledge is patchy at best of times.
Oh?
I read through all the comments and have no idea what you're vaguely gesturing at
Lol
@@garrgravarr
Just the pinned one. Maybe some farther down. He is just exaggerating.
If you want to find bots from both sides, political analysis channels are full of them
Patchy? They straight up contradict themselves and eachother, why claiming to present "the true history". Just a huge inferiority complex made worse by 30 years of slow decay and depression.
+1 for Morrowind soundtrack!
Есть такое слово, как интуиция и провидение. В Голливуде режиссеры всегда зовут в кино играть "плохих русских" шведов. Не зовут играть англичан, поляков, украинцев, немцев, французов, а приглашают только шведов. В этом ответ, кто такие русские? Русские всегда будут для Запада "плохими ребятами", потому что викинги всегда были "плохими ребятами" для Запада, для Ватикана. Поэтому русским никогда не стоит из-за этого расстраиваться и принимать на свой счет. Надо принимать это как должное, как свою Историю.
Очень интересная теория. У западных людей вообще сложившийся веками культурный код враждебности ко всему восточному (а восток, по их представлениям, начинается как раз с России): это отражается не только в кино, но и в других видах искусства, особенно в литературе.
Только я не припоминаю фильмов, в которых русских играли шведы. Напомните, пожалуйста, было бы интересно глянуть
@@rhosia Дольф Лундгрен в Рокки 4 и красном скорпионе, Макс фон Сюдов в гражданине Х и кремлёвском письме, Стеллан Скарсгард в охоте за "красным октябрём", Майкл Найквист в Джоне Уике, Петер Стормаре в Армагеддоне и втором Джоне Уике
@@ДимаВеселов-в8и спасибо!
@@rhosia этому "культурному коду" в лучшем случае лет 70, он появился во времена холодной войны, до 1917 Россия вообще была рядовой европейской империей
@@AnimeforDauns Я с вами не соглашусь. Враждебность к востоку и, в том числе русофобия - уже очень старая история. Я уже писал по этому поводу длинный комментарий под другим видео, я его сюда просто скопирую, чтобы не писать заново.
Все, народы восточнее Польши (или южнее Египта) - веками воспринимались западными людьми как «дикие орды», которые собирают силы, чтобы захватить и поработить весь «цивилизованный» Западный мир. Отсюда все эти иррациональные представления о Московии или Тартарии.
Причин тут может быть много, возможно так на них когда-то повлиял страх перед Золотой Ордой, от которой Россия их защитила (как всегда защищала и от других захватчиков, даже от самих себя). А может быть эта ментальность такая - среди западных литературных классиков как Джозеф Конрад или Редьярд Киплинг постоянно сквозят темы «безумных» восточных или африканских земель (Сердце Тьмы, Баллада о Западе и Востоке). Даже у Толкина, который по его собственным словам, никаких политических аллегорий во «Властелин Колец» не вкладывал, эта культура враждебности ко всему восточному - четко прослеживается. Мордор же находится на востоке, а его союзниками являются харадримы и истерлинги (по сути африканцы и арабы), а не «белые» люди Гондора и Рохана.
Русофобия, которая является краеугольным камнем враждебности западных людей ко всему восточному - довольно древнее явление. Особенно она стала заметна (сюприз-сюприз), после того как Петр I отгрохал империю и дал по зубам самой мощной европейской монархии того времени - Шведской. И основал на ее бывших землях новую столицу. Моментально все западные интеллектуалы начали клеймить русских «отсталыми», «дикими», «тупыми и грязными», держа в одной руке перо, а другой придерживая панталоны, а то они спадут от страха прямо при дамах. Когда же Русская армия вошла в Париж в 1814 году, то вся Европа упала в обморок на 15 лет, а как отошла, послала в Россию «просвещенного месье» Астольфа де Кюстина, чтобы объявить всему миру, как мы дико тут живем, какие жестокие у нас нравы и какая печальная у нас природа. Ну вы поняли, короче - победа над Наполеоном - это ошибка, такого не могло быть!
Затем был расцвет Российской империи, затем восстановление после революции и Гражданской войны, создание СССР, победа над нацизмом, полет в космос и превращение в сверхдержаву. И даже после 1991 года, мы не стали бесплатно раздавать все свои территории и ресурсы до конца, а взяли другой курс и начали заново отстраивать страну. Одновременно со всеми этими историческими процессами, Россия явила миру тысячи гениальных ученых, писателей, музыкантов, поэтов, артистов, политологов, врачей, великих открытий и побед.
Все это привело к тому, что нашим «западным партнерам» уже не оклематься: у страха глаза велики. Не зря в американо-европейских фильмах мы по прежнему все бесправно сидим в плесневелых серых подвалах КГБ и от несчастной нищей жизни мечтаем прорваться в «озаренную благородным светом» Европу или США. Разумеется, чтобы устроить там криминал в лучших традициях «Руссо-Бандито Yuriy». И на награбленное построить себе в родных снегах роскошные дворцы с водкой и балеринами. И комнатой для матрешек. Почему-то (интересно, почему?) тотальная толерантность в западной культуре коснулась абсолютно всех: картину, корзину, картонку, и маленькую собачонку, но не русских.
Ну и конечно совершенно не стоит забывать о том, что они делали с коренным населением при колонизации Америки, Дальнего Востока и Африки. Одни лишь реки крови ради будущего «цивилизованного мира». Да, у нас тоже было освоение Сибири и Аляски, войны в Средней Азии и на Кавказе, стычки с аборигенами и зверства колонизаторов-головорезов. Но как-то царское, а затем советское правительство умело договариваться с местным населением без его уничтожения, не зря сложилось представление, что русские колонизаторы были гораздо более гуманными к аборигенам, чем европейские. И не стоит забывать, что и при Российской Империи, и при Советском Союзе, в Средней Азии и на Кавказе русские оставляли дороги, дома и промышленные предприятия, а не голод и ВИЧ. Напоминаю, что коренные американцы поныне сидят в резервациях в «просвещенных» штатах: сидите в клетке и не жалуйтесь, зато у вас налогов нет (потому что ничего нет).
Так что в таком мире мы живем. Господа, которые считают себя вершиной человеческой цивилизации - не очень привыкли (и хотят) считаться с другими народами на планете. Причина очень простая - самая обыкновенная человеческая трусость. Страх потерять свою «исключительность» и жить в мире, где место под солнцем добывается трудом и взаимопомощью, а не дается по определению.
В дополнение могу сказать, что русофобия, скорее всего, имеет начало в 16 веке, когда между Россией и Польско-Литовской унией были споры за территорию современной Украины. Именно оттуда идет весь этот бред про «жестокую варварскую Московию», которая хочет поработить исконно славянские земли Киевской Руси. Прошли века - а в западной пропаганде ничего не поменялось, тот же мрак для необразованных людей.
Wtf never heard about Holmgard before. Been living in Russia all my life. Very interesting to learn, thanks a lot!
Gostomysl the ruler before rurik has a wendish name, my speculation is that wends were invited by the Slavs to help their faction take over the Ladoga area, the Finnic peoples invited the Scandinavians to drive out the Slavs
Wends and slavs are one and the same though?
@@koalabear1984 Wends were a tribe of Slavs that lived in what is now northeastern Germany, the Slavic tribes living around Lake Ilmen called themselves Slovenes (called Ilmen Slavs to distinguish them from the modern nationality) or Krivichs
A holm in Russian language means a hill. A grad in Russian is the same as a gorod i.e a town/city. The word 'grad' has slavic roots but the word 'gorod' has ancient Russian roots. Novgorod is Russian name. Holmgrad is slavic name, which could have meaning hilly city/town, ot city/town on the hill.
Новгород - Новый Город
@@СергейБыков-ь3з Вот именно, город.
Can you provide a source for that elder futhark runic inscription you mentioned? That artifact is of extreme interest to me
Viking Rus - Wladyslaw Duczko
@@styrman1337 thank you very much!
bro, make a video about the Swedenborgian faith of Rurikid dynasty. (Wiki is silent on the matter.) Also, Alexander I (Holy Alliance) was murdered because he wanted to reinstall this sacred gamer doctrine, and move the capital to Holmgard (Sweden), but proto-communists did janny option to him. Each of us shall know the truth.
"did janny option"
lmao checked.
@@kirillholt2329 can't beat them become them you know what I mean
proto-communists?...... 😳🧐
Do you have any reading material you can suggest? @blyysm
rave. You not only invented some kind of faith, but you also invented proto-communists.🤦
I have no idea, why and how. But I remember one night dreaming about something called Novgorod, this name I had never heard of. I later found out it is a place. Now I found out that some Finns might have history there. Being finnish myself it is intriguing.
I had never heard of this before as a Russian Capital. I always assumed it was Novgorod prior to the establishment of the "Kievan Rus" with Kyiv as the Capital. I can understand the name and existence of it given the strength of Scandinavian influence at that time. Nice finding something new !!
This is one of the best videos I've seen on YT, fascinating, well researched and delivered with aplomb - thank you!
One thing that occurs to me, given the apparent scarcity of early Norse religious items, is that it could well be that "Norse" culture was seen as fashionable or appealing in some way, and so copied.
Just because you have Norse artefacts doesn't mean you have many Norse.
This would mirror a debate in the UK over the extent of Anglo-Saxon migration in the C5 & 6.
Could I offer one small pronunciation correction to your otherwise excellent English? The word 'comb' is pronounced " kəʊm " or 'kohm'. The 'b' is not pronounced but the 'm' is extended in length - a bit like 'mm' for expressing agreement or consideration.
The pronunciation you used was like the word 'combe', which is Brythonic word for a valley, especially one near the sea.
Or they came from elsewhere or were killed off via war or disease. Only rusty metal would be found via a metal detector. All else buried under meters of earth. Lost to time.
Holm is a widely used danish landscape word for a tiny low peninsula just above water - area of a few acers. Gard or Gård is the word for a farm or dwelling
And gård ,gard, has same origin as now eng. gard meaning :shelter ,protection, and later synonymus with gård (farm).
Holm , can mean sv. holme
or as sl. hill.
Mabye it an integration from people liveframträdanden there.
In russian, "holm" (холм) means hill, "Gorod" (город) - city or town, "ogorod" (огород) - fenced territory for farm and literally means something was dedicated and separated from other territory.
11:30 IIRC the Angles were a tribe from Jutland. Some of them migrated to Britain along with Saxons and Jutes.
Angles did not live in Denmark, no evidences!
@@kimrizo1938 They came from Angeln in present Denmark.
it is a province in Denmark on the Baltic sea, not the people, just theory.Angles spoke in old Frisian@@AnthonyEvelyn
@@kimrizo1938angels maybe ment fishermen or they may were a clan not a tribe
I wonder if these ship heads are actually dragon heads or are depicting Jörmungandr the world snake that encompasses the oceans.
Ingegerd/Iryna/Anna orthodox saint, born in Västergötland, Sweden with a slavic/Obotritic princess mother. She had nine siblings and half-siblings.. The siblings in Ace of Base are probably related like Bodil in Timoteij etc. They have their deepest roots in Västergötland like Iryna of Kyiv-Rus... That explains their looks, musicality and spirituality.... Jenny is talking about in her biography seeing angels getting visions.. PS Iryna/Ingegerd was given Ingermanland/Ingria at Ladoga as a wedding gift by Jaroslav the wise, today almost a forgotten landscape...DS
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What about the rest then...?
Holm does not mean an island, it means "hill" actually. Gorodische does not bear a past time sense, it simply means "settlements", with common -sche suffix like in many other slavic nouns.
In slovene we say gradišče and it refers to an ancient fortified settlement.
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Is there a link between Perun/Peryn and the Finnish curseword: Perkele?
Would be very funny if true, but probably just false cognates
comes from perkuna, baltic god of thunder. so if perun comes from that, then ye
Perun= P(o)r(u)n,=P(o)r(t),P(o)r(k)=f(o)r(k)=the god of piercing=thunder,Thor(n) thorn=horn etc
Thank you much, Baltic Empire! You are working under a very interesting and underrated things. I always thought, that it would be really cool to have a kind of "northern europe" history channel💯
The capital of ancient Russia? Did you know that ancestors of russians weren't united and lived in independed from each other tribes
Ancestors of modern Russians are Balto-Slavs, Finno-Ugric people and Scandinavians (according to genetic testing on mytrueancestry every russian is getting like 3-4 Viking ancestors), Now all these people were present on territory of Holmgard. The mix was already in place. Later Russians just conquered more of Slavic and finnic tribes.
Russians are Scythians. r1a haplogroup. habitat 1 in 1. Scythians are the most ancient civilization. punishers of India, Iran and Europe. Aryans with swastikas. their land is Tart-ARIA
@@aeonum Russians got different R1a than Scythians tho. Russian R1a is that of European and Baltic variety
@@CA-jz9bm there is no "different". one root, various branches. The satem isogloss is similar to the area of the r1a haplogroup. they are one people, one language and one root. This is a linguistic and genetic fact with double crossing of areas.
@@aeonumOssetians are Scythians not Russians
Holme might be islet rather than island. At least in modern usage.
a holme, technically, is an island in a river or lake
it was just a translation of Westslavic name Ostrovogard for that settlement There were also normans who came with Varangs-Rus with Ruric and his brothers to Ilmen region from Pomerania. Later they went to Kiev and served Russian kings as guards. Norwegian genes were found around Kiev City. @@meikala2114
@@meikala2114 I know many islets in the Baltic that are named xxx-holmen.
Holm in Russian means hill, not island. Island is ostrov
@@comment6864 That is interesting. Do you know the etymology?
Imho, Holmgård appears in Scandinavian sources and the name comes from when there was still Scandinavian influence on the old Rus. So it is worthwhile to examine holm in old norse as an origin of the name.
Holm=helm=hill, but not as british meaning "island"
in russian holm mean a hill
Do you may do a Video of the Ushkuyniks?
Amazing video. I now understand how the old trade route was changed, and created the Kazarian empire from the north to the south.
I think that a lot of the confusion and belief that the baltic area was at this time strictly divided into ethnic areas is a heritage of national romantic nonsense. just like what we today call sweden had areas that was settled by slavic people early on (vendel culture/Wends) so did slavic areas. To some extent i think the cultures both being indo-european with a similar pantheon of gods and similar core components and heritage was easily adopted or assimilated into. I mean just look at the linguistic confusion of the name with Holm gard/gorod, even the language still had similarities that are hard for us today to judge how easy the slavs and the norse inter-communicated. It is also very interesting that the vendel culture main area is smack in area with the most "slavic" N1c DNA. So what came first, the hen or the egg?
No confusion what so ever, the swedish thing is made up in the video. The word that should be used is 'grad' (same meaning as 'gorod'). 'gard' is a purely germanic (and i guess swedish) suffix that has absolutely no relevance to these Russian cities.
So much hypotheses and implications but so little links. the Novgorod Chronicle directly states where Russians came from
Russians didn't exist then, lol
@@muller1424 or Ukraine and Belarus
I don't think it was a capital of Russia. Maybe one Rus state but that wasn't a single country
Rus = Russia. And that the state called the Russian Federation, the Russian Socialist Soviet Republic or the Russian Empire claims to represent this nation doesn’t change anything.
1481 there was a Muscovite invasion to Reval
@@karilang9377what does this have to do with it? Moreover, Revel was the Russian city of Kolyvan.
@yourreflection2536 Reval.
Tallinn has been Danish, German, Swedish, Moscoviet, Russian, Soviet Union and before, between and Today Estonian citi.
1481, it was Moscoviets invided Reval. So Russia did not exist at that time.
@@karilang9377 they were then Russian with their main city in Moscow. But since at that time there was still Lithuanian Rus', who, by the way, were also called not Russians but Litvins. And then there was Novgorod, whose residents also called themselves Russians. It was necessary to somehow distinguish them, so they were called by their main cities or by their main people, as in the case of Lithuania.
After all, the Teutons and Prussians were not called Germans either, but that did not stop them from being Germans.
6:58-7:13 that is such a fascinating practice and theories!!!
7:45 "Obviously they were an important status symbol; the horse being, of course, an important symbol of status and power" 🔥✍️🧐🔥✍️🤔🤔🧐
Finns call Sweden Ruotsi (Rus?)
Yes, Rus = men that rows.
Sverige stems from the people Svear which means returners.
So Sweden is the land of the people that row back here potentially landing near Roslagen.
I hear morrowind
Ikr I cried a little so many memories
"Russia" is a term coined in the 18 century. As you refer to 'ancient', better title: Holmgard: The Mysterious Capital of Ancient Rus'.
Ah yes and ivan the terrible born in 1530 ruled what ? China ?
@@Wizzy678 You mean the Grand Prince of Moscow?
@@diakritika You mean Grand Prince of Moscow and all Russia?
@@ВасяИванов-и7п Ah, I see the confusion :) "All Russia" then was used as a religious term, meaning "all Orthodox believers".
@@diakritika what
14:30 what kinda Map is that, and where can i find it?
There were no iron arrow heads, sorry cant make it. They were low quallity steel. Welcome to metallurgy. To make iron you have to isolate the smelted ore from air, otherwise it combine with carbone dioxide to form steel. Furthermore most metalsmiths forged their tools on an open fire, more carbon from the coals. So, no, not iron but steel.