FoodLiquorCool I think these two could have this conversation today. Jon Stewart frequently debated Bill O'Reilly and still seems to be more even tempered than many liberals today in my opinion. I could say the same for Cobert.
You still can. But you can't put the "radical" versions of those two together and hope for dialog. Instead it's two people talking at each other with zero grou d of flexibility.
This was a great discussion between two bright, likable guys. No one is being nasty or mean spirited, just kicking around the football of religion. It's actually a relief to hear Miller, an unashamed conservative, not taking the side of religious fanatacism. I can be a conservative without having to believe in a talking snake.
Stewert does a great job getting his point across. I always loved his standup, a truly unique voice instead of the 6 gazillion carbon copy comics out there.
Jon Stewart is in a very lucrative position. He has a news program which can influence a large swath of the population but can always fall back on the comedy crutch if controversy pops up. There is a reason why Obama went on his show.
I like how they are polar opposites but still are friends. One is Jewish, the other Catholic, one's liberal and the other (now) conservative, but they are clearly friends. That is the real message out of all this.
Who are you to decide for someone else where life starts and where it ends? When they might think differently and when its their life that is effected?
@threepercenter03 The problem is they are not teaching people to fish, they are just shutting more people out, changing the game, without teaching people the new rules, thank you very much.
Hey, can you post the full episodes of Dennis Miller Live? I was much too young to understand how significant these shows were at the time or how to record them like you did...
I now have a huge respect for Dennis Miller. Its nice to see a fun conversation between a conservative and a liberal and they can laugh, because there both people.
Yes, just a comedian. He draws attention from actual news shows, because they either side with his point of view-and highlight him, find one of his satirical jokes humorous, or call him out on being wrong about the facts his "jokes" are based on. AND because a lot of young people, like for example in this forum, actually believe Stewart to be an actual journalist. ....I wonder if they also think George Clooney is an ER doctor? Or William Shatner a lawyer?
Aye, thats a good point. I think Harry Blackmun had it right. Abortion should be freely available during the first trimester and the second trimester in the most severe of cases. At know point though should the state make such a monumental decision for someone.
They are both very bright people who now happen to be on opposite sides. The thing is a) you can't be that witty and have your brain work that fast without being bright; and b) it's okey that different people have different opinions. That happens when you don't live in North Korea. I did like them then and I like them both now.
It's pretty interesting to see and hear Jon back then ridicule the rationale that America was somehow responsible for 9-11, yet I wonder how much he now entertains that view himself?
Although I agree with the oil comment Im not going to hate america just because its america....by the same token Im not going to blindly love america just because I live here (which is what Conservatives think we all should do) A wise man once said: "the two most dangerous ideas mankind clings to are blind faith and blind patriotism." I may have gotten the quote wrong but you get the point =P
Non-American as I am, I hadn't heard of Dennis Miller before. This guy, along with Michael Shermer, are the only Republicans I have found reasonable and intelligent in a discussion. They might disagree with their opponents, but they can see things from other people's perspective. (Just as I wish my fellow anarchist and socialist friends here in Europe would be able to...)
Miller is going to be in the next season of VH1 Where Are They Now? The only reason this clip on youtube is still relevant is because of Jon Stewart, who is by far a funnier entertainer.
If you could have shown these guys then, what is happening now, they wouldn't belive you. They'd say, no way could things got that far off the rails. Impossible.
i liked dennis back in 90's and even 80's when he wasn't political, he just made fun of all politicans. Not showing he was a conservative, but a commentator ripping on them all.
@42coldplay42 Stewart was on DML quite a few times!!! I am more stunned to learn he did The Daily Show a few times. I wonder when the last time they spoke was.
For some reason? If we don't stick up for the absolutely defenseless, no one will. There will be no reason for any of us to feel safe. I understand all the arguments for "choice". I've probably come up with a few back in the day. But thought just for the sake of thought, without humility or reverence for life is dangerous.
He actually is a journalist but not in the traditional sense. I consider satire to be the 5th branch of government, that keeps tabs on journalism (the 4th branch). Through comedy you can always get people to realize something within society
@ XXXoBradyoXXX - I agree with your Stewart-Miller-Maher assessments. To the point, I believe that Maher is a "TRUE Intellectual" (Definition: "True Intellectual" - A person educated far beyond their natural intelligence.) To me, this explains Bill Maher perfectly.
Why are we hating on either of these people? They have different political views than you. They're both smart. They both considered EACH SIDE of a particular issue before drawing their conclusions (something 95% of the population has NEVER done). Perhaps most importantly, they discuss these views calmly, thoughtfully, and respectfully. Learn something.
I think 9/11 made him go moderately insane. I can remember excitedly tuning in to his show so I could get my weekly update on his progression into madness, which arguably made the show better despite the steep decline of actual funnies. Dennis Miller Live ran from 1994-2002.
@XXXoBradyoXXX The problem for me with Maher is that he said one thing under one administration and when that administration left and the policies didn't change, he did. He's acting like one election solves the problem. Maher and Dennis Miller agreed with each other in 2002 on most things, but I'm sure they'd never admit that now. Back then it was cool to be the independent libertarian. Now Maher is the hero for cozying up to the DNC and Dennis Miller is hammered by the media for being on Fox.
hahahaha "what i don't know, you guys might be from orange county" hahaha john stewart is the man and "from the day i got there, sure" hahaha too much, looove it!
I do know that people who like these two very intelligent comedians are probably pretty intelligent themselves. And it's the intelligent people who have looked beyond the official governmental bullshit story. Idiots accept what is told to them even when the facts contradict the story. And some people are trusting and believe it also not wanting to be cynical. They just want to get along and get on with their lives. It's hard to defend freedom. It takes effort and guts and a big mouth.
I love Stewart's point: the world was always crazy; we just know about it now. Miller's response was to suspend his supposed intellect and go nuts. Stewart kept it together by holding onto his sense of humor and his ability to engage in critical thinking.
Well if English is your second language, that's understandable, but I doubt that's true because foreigners who learn English usually understand syntax and grammar better than native speakers. I was at the University for 9 years, and I speak 2 languages. My research on 9/11 has been in depth for 2 and a half years. Do you want to debate points or put me down? Good Luck with both.
I didn't decide. Nature/science/God decided that life starts that way (and then). That's why we need to be held accountable for our choices (that don't include murder).
Yes, I'm for adult abortion. If a person can not respect the life of an unborn child, then they have no respect for life or they would have used protection. So, I agree that both contributors to the problem should be terminated. That means both the male who contributed the sperm and the female who contributed the egg.
@XXXoBradyoXXX bill maher is a comedian. he's also an individual. if you're looking at comedians that hurt and offend people, look at gilbert gotfried. if you're looking at an individual that hurts people, look at newt gingrich.
Sdeath34... he's a comedian. Jon Stewart is a political SATIRIST on COMEDY CENTRAL. You do know what SATIRE is, right? Do you also get your news and politics from Conan O'Brian? Jay Leno? David Letterman?
Fine I'll qualify "most people". Most is the educated people throughout Europe, Canada. This is why America is so disrespected in those places. Most is also the people in America according to polls taken here 61% of Americans have at least an understanding that there was foreknowledge or forewarning that was ignored. Sorry if podunk Wal-Mart shoppers in your town haven't gottten the news. You should ask New Yorkers how they feel. They'll tell you between coughs if they can catch their breath.
@wick2107, My point is that lots of people have extremist views that commit violent acts. And those people are almost as bad as the bombers because they enable/support/legitimize the violant actors in their society. Where I take issue with Jon is that he seems to explain suide bombers as being people with personality defects (the same as people who tend to get obsessed with their hobbies, or diets, or work). But I think they are created by a culture infected with religious extremism.
Abortion is murder... but murder is not murder. Well, that's it, I've heard everything. Good night, folks. Time to close down civilization as we know it.
Okay, Peace. I don't know what we're arguing about except I remarked that your comment wasn't grammatical and you claimed I was uneducated. I wasn't really calling you a liar. I never said that, only I doubted your English skills, but what the hey? as we say here. It means oh well, who cares. Your language skills are great for a second language. Fine. Don't fight. I used to work for an Isreali, loved him, but he would argue to the death a point until he forgot what it was about.
The time in America where a liberal and conservative could sit down and actually enjoy each other. Ah, I miss that.
I was ready to disagree with you, but you're kind of correct about that. We have gotten way too extremely partisan, these days.
As have the two gentlemen in this video, no?
FoodLiquorCool I think these two could have this conversation today. Jon Stewart frequently debated Bill O'Reilly and still seems to be more even tempered than many liberals today in my opinion. I could say the same for Cobert.
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Stewart yes, Colbert no. Colbert is very vindictive and is very divisive. Even conservatives can laugh at/with Stewart a bit.
You still can. But you can't put the "radical" versions of those two together and hope for dialog. Instead it's two people talking at each other with zero grou d of flexibility.
It's so great when two comedians play off each other, intelligent and funny as hell.
Wow, some of Jon's views have really changed since 2002.
This was a great discussion between two bright, likable guys. No one is being nasty or mean spirited, just kicking around the football of religion. It's actually a relief to hear Miller, an unashamed conservative, not taking the side of religious fanatacism. I can be a conservative without having to believe in a talking snake.
This is one of the few times I've agreed with most of what came out of Stewart's mouth. Very funny.
Aaah! The days when late night talkshows took phonecalls
Yup. The last one.
Stewert does a great job getting his point across. I always loved his standup, a truly unique voice instead of the 6 gazillion carbon copy comics out there.
Jon Stewart is in a very lucrative position. He has a news program which can influence a large swath of the population but can always fall back on the comedy crutch if controversy pops up. There is a reason why Obama went on his show.
I like how they are polar opposites but still are friends. One is Jewish, the other Catholic, one's liberal and the other (now) conservative, but they are clearly friends. That is the real message out of all this.
I have said it before & I'll say it again (and again, and again...) I love Jon Stewart.
Who are you to decide for someone else where life starts and where it ends? When they might think differently and when its their life that is effected?
@threepercenter03 The problem is they are not teaching people to fish, they are just shutting more people out, changing the game, without teaching people the new rules, thank you very much.
miller is brilliant
Heroine and religion...could not be more correct.
Hey, can you post the full episodes of Dennis Miller Live? I was much too young to understand how significant these shows were at the time or how to record them like you did...
I am a libertarian and love John Stewart.
@XXXoBradyoXXX Perfect, could never say it any better than you did here. Amen brother
Love them!
jon stewart is probably one of the only libs commentators that i like and think is a good guy
I think he does podcasts too and some radio stuff, last I checked. It is a natural path for people who have relatively controversial opinions.
Touché.
Miller wasn't corrupted by Fox noise, but by money.. He's a smart guy -- conservative media personalities make the really big bucks!!
Dennis Miller was almost sane 10 years ago...
Two geniuses going at it
What's even sadder is that people consider "legitimate journalists" to be legitimate journalists.
Without a doubt! Your a looking at the only 2 that in 2008 should of replaced LENO & Letterman!
I now have a huge respect for Dennis Miller. Its nice to see a fun conversation between a conservative and a liberal and they can laugh, because there both people.
1:11 I shifted in my seat, too. Haha!
Yes, just a comedian. He draws attention from actual news shows, because they either side with his point of view-and highlight him, find one of his satirical jokes humorous, or call him out on being wrong about the facts his "jokes" are based on. AND because a lot of young people, like for example in this forum, actually believe Stewart to be an actual journalist. ....I wonder if they also think George Clooney is an ER doctor? Or William Shatner a lawyer?
Aye, thats a good point. I think Harry Blackmun had it right. Abortion should be freely available during the first trimester and the second trimester in the most severe of cases. At know point though should the state make such a monumental decision for someone.
Was this shot in 12fps?
They are both very bright people who now happen to be on opposite sides. The thing is a) you can't be that witty and have your brain work that fast without being bright; and b) it's okey that different people have different opinions. That happens when you don't live in North Korea. I did like them then and I like them both now.
It's pretty interesting to see and hear Jon back then ridicule the rationale that America was somehow responsible for 9-11, yet I wonder how much he now entertains that view himself?
Although I agree with the oil comment Im not going to hate america just because its america....by the same token Im not going to blindly love america just because I live here (which is what Conservatives think we all should do)
A wise man once said:
"the two most dangerous ideas mankind clings to are blind faith and blind patriotism."
I may have gotten the quote wrong but you get the point =P
genious stars. "smell it and tell me i'm lying" :)
"Mr. Miller's shoes and socks provided my Michael Jackson."
Non-American as I am, I hadn't heard of Dennis Miller before. This guy, along with Michael Shermer, are the only Republicans I have found reasonable and intelligent in a discussion. They might disagree with their opponents, but they can see things from other people's perspective.
(Just as I wish my fellow anarchist and socialist friends here in Europe would be able to...)
This is fucking great!
Miller is going to be in the next season of VH1 Where Are They Now? The only reason this clip on youtube is still relevant is because of Jon Stewart, who is by far a funnier entertainer.
point is..yes he said it..
Very good points. Glad someone else is saying it.
If you could have shown these guys then, what is happening now, they wouldn't belive you. They'd say, no way could things got that far off the rails. Impossible.
God I love Jon Stewart.
those two guys are funny together
i liked dennis back in 90's and even 80's when he wasn't political, he just made fun of all politicans. Not showing he was a conservative, but a commentator ripping on them all.
What happened to dennis miller? He used to be a hot commodity.
@42coldplay42 Stewart was on DML quite a few times!!! I am more stunned to learn he did The Daily Show a few times. I wonder when the last time they spoke was.
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jon stuart leibowitz:
9/11 was an outside job
For some reason? If we don't stick up for the absolutely defenseless, no one will. There will be no reason for any of us to feel safe. I understand all the arguments for "choice". I've probably come up with a few back in the day. But thought just for the sake of thought, without humility or reverence for life is dangerous.
He actually is a journalist but not in the traditional sense. I consider satire to be the 5th branch of government, that keeps tabs on journalism (the 4th branch). Through comedy you can always get people to realize something within society
@ XXXoBradyoXXX - I agree with your Stewart-Miller-Maher assessments.
To the point, I believe that Maher is a "TRUE Intellectual"
(Definition: "True Intellectual" - A person educated far beyond their natural intelligence.)
To me, this explains Bill Maher perfectly.
I just love John Stewart.
Why are we hating on either of these people? They have different political views than you. They're both smart. They both considered EACH SIDE of a particular issue before drawing their conclusions (something 95% of the population has NEVER done). Perhaps most importantly, they discuss these views calmly, thoughtfully, and respectfully.
Learn something.
I think 9/11 made him go moderately insane. I can remember excitedly tuning in to his show so I could get my weekly update on his progression into madness, which arguably made the show better despite the steep decline of actual funnies. Dennis Miller Live ran from 1994-2002.
@BrianMChampion You responded pretty well. For it being an unanswerable post anyway
How did miller go from this to having a shitty segment on o'reilly once a week?
I keep waiting for Jon Stewart to be funny.
@gpnsasek can you name anyone who is involved in politics that is not a ideologue, I think that's why we pick parties.
Neither one kisses ass to the side they lean on, thats why they are good friends.
OMG so THIS was what TV was like before the PC culture... damn... what a shame...
@XXXoBradyoXXX The problem for me with Maher is that he said one thing under one administration and when that administration left and the policies didn't change, he did. He's acting like one election solves the problem. Maher and Dennis Miller agreed with each other in 2002 on most things, but I'm sure they'd never admit that now. Back then it was cool to be the independent libertarian. Now Maher is the hero for cozying up to the DNC and Dennis Miller is hammered by the media for being on Fox.
Dude, seriously? Just cause you don't agree with them doesn't mean you cant respect them...
All of the veteran comedians call him "Johnny." Ever notice that?
Man am I crazy or is Stewart got a new view of islam now!!!!
the transcribe audio is so baddd
Did you think that up all by yourself?
jonny cried like a little girl on the howard stern show 09/11/01
hahahaha "what i don't know, you guys might be from orange county" hahaha john stewart is the man and "from the day i got there, sure" hahaha too much, looove it!
Miller wised up.
David Mamet wised up.
Stewart: Really Smart Guy, and he's pretty good; but we're still waiting.
Science if probably not his strong suit.
@XPANTHER2007 the best thing about your statement, is that they're both coming from different directions these days
yea cuz jon didnt destroy millers rib in the beginning right
What's a "liberal"? What's a "conservative"?
Will someone actually give an understandable definition of these terms.
miller is nothing like this now he has been relegated to a few minutes on o'reilly's show
I do know that people who like these two very intelligent comedians are probably pretty intelligent themselves. And it's the intelligent people who have looked beyond the official governmental bullshit story. Idiots accept what is told to them even when the facts contradict the story. And some people are trusting and believe it also not wanting to be cynical. They just want to get along and get on with their lives. It's hard to defend freedom. It takes effort and guts and a big mouth.
@CoolerKing37 Why not?
@ultrakool Aha! He doesn't cry. What a man you are.
no he did not say that it was courage, he said that they were no cowards like all the news-writers stated "cowardly attacks"
I love Stewart's point: the world was always crazy; we just know about it now. Miller's response was to suspend his supposed intellect and go nuts. Stewart kept it together by holding onto his sense of humor and his ability to engage in critical thinking.
Well if English is your second language, that's understandable, but I doubt that's true because foreigners who learn English usually understand syntax and grammar better than native speakers. I was at the University for 9 years, and I speak 2 languages. My research on 9/11 has been in depth for 2 and a half years. Do you want to debate points or put me down? Good Luck with both.
Stewart is short. Interesting, note that his chair is much higher and sitting down he looks taller than miller....
I didn't decide. Nature/science/God decided that life starts that way (and then). That's why we need to be held accountable for our choices (that don't include murder).
Yes, I'm for adult abortion. If a person can not respect the life of an unborn child, then they have no respect for life or they would have used protection. So, I agree that both contributors to the problem should be terminated. That means both the male who contributed the sperm and the female who contributed the egg.
@XXXoBradyoXXX
bill maher is a comedian. he's also an individual. if you're looking at comedians that hurt and offend people, look at gilbert gotfried. if you're looking at an individual that hurts people, look at newt gingrich.
my favorite childish insult is "poopy head".
Actually, I'd put the beginning of human life at the point where there's a functioning central nervous system and therefore, self awareness.
Knowing John my guess is pulling out or the rhythm method.
Sdeath34... he's a comedian. Jon Stewart is a political SATIRIST on COMEDY CENTRAL. You do know what SATIRE is, right? Do you also get your news and politics from Conan O'Brian? Jay Leno? David Letterman?
@TheDentist27 the cir also said this they called in unintentional blow back
they do have similar styles at times
Miller let's guests have the floor quite a bit though sometimes
liebowitz i think it is...
Interesting that Stewart excused American foreign policy as a contributing factor of 9/11. Wonder if he'd say the same today?
miler was on oreilly blasting rahm for saying "retarded"
guess he doesnt think it's so big a deal when jon says it
Fine I'll qualify "most people". Most is the educated people throughout Europe, Canada. This is why America is so disrespected in those places. Most is also the people in America according to polls taken here 61% of Americans have at least an understanding that there was foreknowledge or forewarning that was ignored. Sorry if podunk Wal-Mart shoppers in your town haven't gottten the news. You should ask New Yorkers how they feel. They'll tell you between coughs if they can catch their breath.
@wick2107, My point is that lots of people have extremist views that commit violent acts. And those people are almost as bad as the bombers because they enable/support/legitimize the violant actors in their society. Where I take issue with Jon is that he seems to explain suide bombers as being people with personality defects (the same as people who tend to get obsessed with their hobbies, or diets, or work). But I think they are created by a culture infected with religious extremism.
@Clammypollack d'aww did the mean ol' comedian offend you?
Abortion is murder... but murder is not murder.
Well, that's it, I've heard everything. Good night, folks. Time to close down civilization as we know it.
Okay, Peace. I don't know what we're arguing about except I remarked that your comment wasn't grammatical and you claimed I was uneducated. I wasn't really calling you a liar. I never said that, only I doubted your English skills, but what the hey? as we say here. It means oh well, who cares. Your language skills are great for a second language. Fine. Don't fight. I used to work for an Isreali, loved him, but he would argue to the death a point until he forgot what it was about.
@Robohump dude...you should watch the Daily Show more often -- that's not true.
opportunists and people who aren't really grounded get tossed about by the wind and waves. stewart has shown he's one of those...