LOL yeah you are right about the storage space. It is a BEAST, really would be hard for live shoots or like you say weddings or something like that. but for narrative shoots where you have a little crew, if you have a couple little Sandisk 2TBs, you could just swap them out all day long, have somone dumping the footage for you. But if no crew, then yeah, like you say, it's sweatin' bullets time! LOL, great stuff!
Haha yeah bro, I almost swallowed my tongue when I saw the sizes...HUGE! I know you usually shoot with a team which is handy and it's so much less stress on jobs I have with a team. All in all, my eyes were really opened to this cam and it's bloody marvellous. Whatever I choose to buy this year I can see this being my b-cam at some point.
Justin you really turned my camera search upside down with that FP video. Coming from the BMPCC 4k and 6k, and GH5 it was right up my ally. I have a T5 SSD workflow so high data does not scare me. A hidden treasure that’s for sure.
The great thing about the FP is that if you use one of blackmagic's external recorders like the view assist 5 or 7 inch 12g HDR, you can record blackmagic raw to it. I already have the 5" monitor and am somewhat considering getting an FP and rigging it out with that monitor, as it would be significantly better than what my Canon R6 offers. Thought I'd mention that.
I can definitely see the benefits in that if you own an assist already. It's a very good point too because if I already owned one that would also change my buying decisions. I honestly do love everything about this camera... seriously couldn't find anything negative to say about it. The CDNG sizes are not limited to this camera so it can't really be considered a bad point....just very inconvenient to have no other options other than to drop colour depth. For you...I'd say it would be a good purchase.
You inspired me to look up the Sigma FP specs on B&H: the latest firmware updates give it external DCI 4K to a BlackMagic 12G Video Assist in BRAW. This may give it exactly what you asked for- albeit requiring the external recorder. It is an amazing little piece of kit… seriously tempting. Thanks for the review. Quite eye-opening at how much detail the Olympus destroys for a “clean” image. Based on that alone I wouldn’t touch the thing, but you’ve definitely peaked my interest about the FP!
I have a question, I believe from what I've heard, the FP can do internal 4K compressed ALL-I & Long GOP recording at 440mbs. If this is true, using ALL-I, for size should be a considerably smaller file size while also still delivering amazing colors, detail, & head room in post as well.
I saw Justins video too, and although I'm still more than happy with the EOSM, there is the desire of getting a different body down the road. So the Sigma sparked my interest. So your real life review as highly appreciated... Thanks to Rolly to make this possible.
Justin's video was great, really enjoyed it from start to finish. I understand your wants to move up from the m at some point but it really does fill the gap for low cost shooting. Roly is a great guy, met him a couple times now and he's always so pleasant. I'm still keeping the sigma on my radar though....and will do another test soon but it'll be about composition & grading.
TIME STAMP 9:52 ... the black jacket on the sigma look like it has green in it also his face looks more muddy less detail. It too hard to beat BMCC4K its the king... i was thinking about the g6 but i think im too deep in with gear for my Bmpcc4k and i love what it can do.
Yeah I see. It's easy to correct though...I really didn't give these conversions much time. At the same time I agree with you about the p4k. It's just too easy to work with. Fantastic camera
Uncompressed RAW does not give You advantage in pulling exposure, it give You advantage in denoising and stabilisation. I'm using FP L since it launched, it replaced my pocket 4k. This camera does not reqiure as many things dangling from it. Like a battery, speed booster, preamp (FPs is way quieter), cage and so on. Low light capability is also much better on sigma, it can do iso 25600 in less contrasty scenes and do well. You get decent C-AF as a nice bonus when You put it on gimbal (FP L after updates, it used to be bad before). 1TB drive give You same amount of time as internal battery (~54 min ) plus some extra for having it on while not recording. I swap them in pairs. SSD's got way cheaper than SD cards. Kingstone a2000 1TB work well and are cheap. I use 3d printed SSD enclosure holder. Where BMD had it right was 120fps and BRAW was not as demanding to edit. Main reason for switch for me was size and build quality, BMPCC4k was HUGE and after attaching bunch of required stuff to it, ended up being just bloated mess of cables. It made it unreliable, bmpcc was not weathersealed, delicate in comparison. But also cheap. So do what You will ;)
OooooK thanks for that. I guess every single photographer and videographer only shoot raw to de-noise and stabilise....you learn something new everyday 😁 If it's working for you that's fantastic, it really is a great camera and I can see why you like it. Your comments about p4k are not the way I use mine but I know it's quite common for people to rig them to death. Happy Shooting Hubert
Thank you 🙌🏾. There wasn't much to complain about tbh and I have a healthy respect for what sigma are doing here. I look forward to the day I can own this and use it for what I do. Thanks for watching and commenting.
This was a good comparison between the fp and BMP4K. I ended up going with the fp because it fit my particular workflow better (and Sigma was kind enough to lend me one last summer so I could test it out) and I really, really love the small size. It wasn't something I was thinking about, but it's so well balanced that I use it for more handheld/monopod shots than I normally do. In the end, the best camera for you is the one that fits your workflow best.
That's great that it fits your workflow. I think it's great for handheld but still getting the quality of a big cine cam so I fully understand your reasoning. It was the size that really got me interested as I love going to shoots with small bags but packed with everything you'd need for all day. I'm definitely going to shoot some more with it and try some proper grading. It's such a powerful little box.
@@chitranshutapas At the moment just a 1TB SanDisk as I'm currently doing really short projects. But will pick up a few more when they're on sale again.
beside de double ends USB-C cable, please, What Phone APP have you used to make your phone SIGMA FP monitor? I would love to try that! Thank you in advance.
The best free app I’ve used is called neXt camera usb. You can find it on Google playstore…green icon. I would link it but because I’m in the beta program there’s no share link.
@@AltCine thank you! i appreciate that! have no narrative jobs lined up this month as DP, but i most definitely plan on doing a little staged shoot out for UA-cam
Agreed. Justin’s video got me looking at the camera but the lack of recording options and the large file sizes is my hold up to it. Other than that, it would be hands down an amazing camera to have.
I really appreciate your point of view with this camera. I saw Justin Phillip’s review and wanted to do more research. I, due to my job, have dozens of nvme's laying around and not really any use for them. It was hard trying to choose between the BM4k and this camera. However, since I’m going to start reviving my channel with automotive content, I like how small + light the Sigma is and I do not need to go and buy a large DJI ronin rs3 and can now settle for an dji SC gimbal with a prime lens for rolling shots. Plus, with it being such a small form factor I’m less worried about hanging it outside of a car as well. I think I will pull the trigger on the camera thanks to you! Cheers :)
Hey, thanks for the comment. From what you said...it sounds perfect for your use case. I really think having a small and nimble setup increases productivity, especially for personal projects. I think anything you shoot with this will come out well but automotive is going to look exceptional 👌🏾 All the best with your new content and I hope it does really well 🙏🏾
Cheers man, appreciate the feedback. Tbh it's hard to look at a camera and say it's 'terrible' these days. Technically I'm still new to this but as long as a camera dosen't breakdown or overheat...I find them all quite impressive.
Absolutely beast of a video! I think from what I've heard, with a 2tb t5ssd you can get an hour of filming. With the way the f p is priced now, you can get two drives, the camera, and a lens with it for less than $2000. Which, depending on your filming needs, having full frame with these options would be killer. Mainly low light filming for set pieces, & high dynamic range. It obviously depends on the person and their workflow.
Also, having the ability to convert the files to be raw in post is a huge Plus! So even if you don't have the money to buy an external monitor like a ninja 5 or the black magic, you can still compress files for storage and have 4 terabytes to work with on set.
Thank you 😁 although 1hr per tb is dancing on the edge for me it's still a very tempting option but as you said....it comes down to what you shoot. I also agree that it's crazy to get such a quality item for so little money. I was wondering if the image was up to scratch but it exceeds my expectations even on these basic tests ...I can only imagine how great it would be on a proper production. The truth is, I may still end up with one next week. As a working DP, UA-camr and casual shooter I think I can get this to work for some things but I'd still have to keep the p4k for longer shoots. Thanks for the comment 👍🏾👍🏾
@@AltCine Yes!! The issues that the FP & most expensive Cinema cameras also have the same issues (battery life, storage, rigging, etc). But because the FP punches well above its weight class in terms of price, most "prosumers" aren't used to dealing with these issues so they seem relatively big. However, when you compare the picture quality that you're able to get whenever you make those compromises & rig-out the FP, the image quality & color accuracy you get with the FP is almost comparable with the big guys like Red, Sony, & dare I say Arri! For the price, this is one of the best deals you could ever get! Full-frame as well! To reiterate, if you are casual videographer and you do more Vlogging and "run & gun" style media then this camera is definitely not your option. But if you're doing music videos, short films, or even weddings, then this is an EXCELLENT deal if you can rig it out. Rigging & all you'll be at around $2500 for a full frame camera that has RED & Sony like output (it's going for $1,599 for the body & kit lens).
I think the Sigma FP and FP L are great cameras. Just takes time to get use to. Photo and video quality is outstanding. I will shoot manual focus when I get my hands on them
💯 no doubt about it... absolutely fantastic camera's. The day they add raw compression I'm getting involved. Ps, I too focus manually on 95% of the stuff I do so there's no worries about that.
@@AltCine the issue is that raw compression is being held back by the stupid RED patents. The only reason BM has compressed raw is because they got it before RED so RED can't really push them back out. FP with compressed raw at this time looks completely impossible. What I think would be better is internal 10 bit. Just give us that and it makes it work just well enough.
I have a Sigma FP. Not everything is great, but I still have a strong connection to her. I never had the heart to sell it. I use it as a small photo camera with the Sigma 45mm/ 2.8 or for film, but then with Gimbel, BlackMagic Video Assist & SSD. I think the film look is very nice. What I miss the most is an IBIS.
I bought it, and choose to take the bad with the good. because the good is just too good. also, I already love your channel and happy to see someone who looks like me doing things at this high level. keep up the good work.
That's awesome man. That really is the best way to approach things as there's always good & bad. The camera is fantastic and the price of entry is very good...such a compelling camera with lots of positive and possibilities. Thanks for the positive comments too, I also feel we're in a minority.
Man UA-camrs, this topic has been discussed, so many times on YT, like the problem of BlackM cameras and their batteries problems, put those topics to rest already, I have that camera and multiple hd and I have absolutely no problem with that camera and I also have the BM 4K. Thanks to Justin's video it was the reason why I bought this camera and so far, I don't regret it.
@@AltCine it's good info. You saved yourself.. (and me🤣)... lots of cash by trying it out!.. It does look like a great camera though... I'm still tempted 😜
@@Skunk-420 yeah 😅😅 at a push it could probably work..but it'll take a lot of manoeuvring. The temptation is definitely strong. Even after all this I still desperately want one but gotta think with the head and not the heart.
isn't there like a 3rd party firmware to lower the Raw file size? I heard that in one of the videos, have you looked into it? I love the color of this camera but the file size and no flippi screen is what is keeping me away from it.
There is a program called slimraw... however, storing the files is not really an issue...it's recording them. It's ok for a quick personal shoot here and there but a normal job I personally would need many terabytes just to get through a day.
Yeah that video was quality 👌🏾👌🏾 ohhh the rig, that right! The prices for sigma official parts are extremely high but luckily there's some third party bits but it's all extra money. The recording media is the scary part though. The clips I recorded were no longer than 20 to 30secs and we're coming out at nearly 10gb+ 😱
Great review; stuff like this always reminds me of the chokehold that RED has on the camera industry and on RAW video compression. A tiny dynamite camera like the FP would be maybe the most revolutionary camera of the last few years if it could have some kind of RAW compression, but because it wasn't made by Blackmagic or RED, it suffers from the absurd file sizes. It's a shame, because it manages to actually deliver on the "pocket" aspect that the BMPCC4K doesn't quite live up to. If anything this has made me hopeful for the future of Sigma's cinema lineup and happy as a BMPCC4K owner.
Thanks Mark, No I won't get this camera. I owned a 6k pro on release but received units that had to be replaced because of flaws etc. Even though I didn't have the best experience....the features were great but I realised I didn't need them, 6k Res or a bigger camera so after a while I bought another p4k. If I'm being honest, I doubt I'd buy another blackmagic until they release a box cam with an inbuilt screen.
Yes I agree. It looks clean like the FP but the roll-off is definitely smoother. It kinda leads to a more pleasing softer look but still sharp. I think you know what I mean lol
@@AltCine exactly, what you said. Good call on the video too. As a BMPCC 4K user myself who shoots narrative this camera doesn’t make a lot of sense with the raw file sizes.
I was just about to talk about Justin! He made great points with the sensor, affordable full frame option, and the uncompressed cinema DNG, which I do miss. Either way, you’re gonna kill it regardless of what cam you have because you are talented my friend.
Yeah Justin's video is solid... undeniably great points 👌🏾👌🏾 After giving it more thought I really want this camera and I do hope they add compression options. Thank you and I'll shoot some meaningful stuff with this again very soon as I want to do something more stylised.
One thing that makes the FP special is the low light performance. It's killer in the dark. For me, It's mostly on the RS2 for light weight and connected to the video assist recording BRaw, although CDNG out of the camera is beautiful.
I'm just about interested in getting it but after listened your input I changed my mind and I agree with you. Bigger file is not necessary better. I'll stay with my Sony now. Thank you IMCE.
Yeah it's a shame mate...it's a lot of camera for the money but it's just too much of a headache. As soon as they add compression... it'll definitely be the one to get. Thanks for commenting 🙌🏾
There is also the low light improvement. Granted if youre on a raw beast like this probably have lights too. But in case you're running and gunning at night it's nice to have the extra iso space.
No probs, glad you found it useful. What did you decide? Personally I went with the Lumix S5 as they're going quite cheap now...I paid £1100 new from an online store. I recently bought a ninja v so I feel I'm covered for pretty much anything now.
@@AltCine am still having trouble deciding. Have plenty of time to decide. The s5 is an option for my photography and video, but I may also get the BM 6k pro for an independent feature I'm writing. It's overwhelming. I like your no bullsh*t delivery style.
@@nefflz Maaaan I don't envy you...it's so hard making your mind up. There's so much to think about these days it makes your head spin. Thanks for watching and commenting mate, I really appreciate it.
There are lot of comments here that surprised me no one mentioned the slimRAW option when using the SigmaFP camera. if you install slimRAW you will have pretty much the same compression options Blackmagic has. if you have this camera or an older version of Blackmagic cameras it is a must-have
I replied to quite a few comments concerning slim raw and it's actually a great piece of software. The problem isn't the storage for editing or saving....it's the recording. The recorded data is roughly the same size as ProRes raw and anyone that's tried to do projects in prores raw knows that it eats recording media for breakfast. Blackmagic can still record 12bit raw at 4k DCI 60fps to a memory card and with compression at 12:1 you can get decent shoot times. With the FP these things just aren't possible
@@AltCine slimRaw has new version you can install on sigma FP where you have the option of recording 12:1. a lot of people don't know this to my surprise.
Thank you. When you take really hard look at the FP you begin to see it's probably the most significant camera release in years. Sigma aren't far off from having an exceptional camera.
Thank you for the comment Robin. Yeah UA-cam is full of hype and I think that's why we end up with so much stuff we don't need. A lot of stuff seems good on paper but using gear in the field is where it really matters. Have a great day mate.
Hi, it's funny I just having this conversation yesterday about the fp. I probably still wouldn't buy it because the rolling shutter isn't great and although CDNG works relatively well on basic machines in 2023...braw is much faster to work with. I think if sigma make another version, they have potential to get all the basics right but right now...I'd still choose the p4k.
I think that has changed my opinion a lot. It would be nice for more in camera options but most of us will use a monitor anyway. The prices have risen dramatically too which sucks but my honest thoughts are that sigma broke some serious ground with this camera and it's a shame that other brands haven't followed suit.
Finally someone tells the same opinion. apart from raw compression, the ability to shoot just prores422 or hq 10bit would make this camera very interesting. But maybe Sigma didn’t intend the FP to be BMPCC 4K/6K competition
🙌🏾🙌🏾. Yes they probably didn't have the p4k in mind at all. I stopped doing comparisons a long time ago because most cams are great these days but I had to reply to Justin 😅
as a vfx supervisor of 20 years, i'll say this: the file size is only a fraction of the problem. the true troubles come with everything done downstream- once it's been shot. everything from copying and transcoding proxies (necessary at cDNG bitrates), to vfx, compositing, renders... everything takes 4 times longer. there are good reasons the industry has gravitated towards compression. even with ProResHQ we can deliver much faster turn around on shots. we'd used 2K LOG files for over a decade via proxies, so 4K truly is ample resolution for most needs- even highly compressed, lossless comp schemes have come far in a short few years.
Thank you Brian, I'm grateful for this information and fully understand and agree with the need for compression but it's nice to have it confirmed by someone who's been in the industry for a long time.
Oh man this is exactly the reason I NEVER got the Sigma FP. I wanted it and I wanted to want it but it just didn't make sense. Regarding the Full Frame thing. I still feel that Super 35 is fantastic. It's still the standard in filmmaking and honestly if you speedboost the Pocket 4K that's actually about the same dimensions as the Arri Alexa. Great video man!
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I would use the sigma in CDNG under controlled setttings. CDNG is not a run and gun codec but (From older BM camera standpoint) CDNG looks way more filmic than Braw or compressed formats in terms of texture and color density.
@@markbrown1609 Any Apple M1 product. Most Intel gaming laptops and some business class varients like the Dell XPS line with 20 or 30 series graphics and at least 30gb of ram if you want to have good time. You could go cheaper and just use a proxy's workflow. It's a long nuanced topic that you should definitly do your own research about.
I heard through a firmware update the sigma can now record in black magic raw. Not positive but maybe check that out if you’re still interested at all. Thanks for the great video!
Yeah that's right, this camera still keeps giving. In no way was I trashing the camera, I think a lot of these manufacturers need to take a hard look at what sigma is doing 🙌🏾
Nice video, I will be doing a review on the Sigm FP and FPL in a week or so. I have had the cameras for 1 year. FYI you might not know this but a ssd drive attached gives you 1 hour of recording then I use Slim Raw to compress it on my working drive with little to no loss of quality. Its a pretty deep camera BMPC vs FP is a tight race with BMPC winning out. If you are looking for a hybrid no competition FP all the way...
1hr isn't too bad..what size drive? One thing for certain is cdng is incredibly powerful and I loved the full frame. I'll keep a lookout for your vids too 👍🏾👍🏾
@@AltCine yes I have a 1tb drive external which gives me 55 mins of raw 30 fps 4k. It’s very cheap that plugs into my pc directly along with slim raw that converts to a 7 to 1 compression ration that gets copied into my pc. The 1tb then gets wiped for the next shoot. Hope this helps.
ANSWER PLEASE! I wonder how you connect your phone as a monitor for SIGMA fp, did you add some external devices or just plug the HDMI cable port into an Android phone or an iPhone?
For android you can use a usb capture card which are very cheap on Amazon. For iOS you can't do that unless you have one of the latest iPhones that have MHL then you can use a normal cable. Apple finally caught up to android lol
ProRes RAW compressed...internally, full flip-up or side-flip screen (but not a deal breaker) and autofocus accuracy near enough what Sony and Canon can do, then I'll buy the FP/FP L v2. Manual focusing is a respectful but dying art, but there'll always be die-hards to keep up the tradition.
That'll come in version 9 😁 all jokes aside...even though AF on some cams is amazing, I still wouldn't risk it on paid work which is unpredictable. Even if the movement was predictable...one flutter of the AF could ruin a whole shot. On one of my movies we did a one shot take that lasted 3.5mins and involved 7 people switching places, running, jumping etc...those kind of shots you'll be glad you practiced manual focus lol
Yeah and well beyond 2022 imo. Tbh the only reason I put 2022 in the title is so people know it's new video.... definitely not one of those silly "is it still worth it" stuff 😅 Tbh I have no idea about the pro. It would make sense for BM to refresh the 4k but only by adding a tilt screen and bigger battery...any thing else would increase the price to much.
watcheda few videos about the fp earlier today. justins was the last one till yours came! awesome! there is this one feature that lets me want to buy this camera and it's nothing of the "usual suspects". it's the webcam functionality. i'm working on a remote interview kit since the unhealthy stuff began. using a pocket and a capture dongle at the moment the fp... i know it's stupid but man - i can't get that thing out of my head... liked Justins video. and so do i this one! thx
Not stupid at all, it all comes down to personal needs and if you're using a full frame camera as a webcam I can imagine for professional meetings it would come across very well👌🏾 It would be possible to use the fp as a webcam though right? Even the capture card would work or are you missing something by using a capture card? Thanks for watching and commenting and please let me know the issue with using it as a webcam. I honestly see myself with a couple of these at some point so it's good to gather as much info as I can. Thanks
@@AltCine what i'm doing is building a box that contains a tablet-windows-pc, teleprompter, a microphone, a light.... all in a ready2use case. open it and lay back and let me record remotely in good quality. mostly for interviews and CorpCom internal talking head stuff. the boxes i'm currently using are 2 simple ones: good webcam miniboxes and a second for the higher paycheck with a BMPCC4K, a dell tablet PC etc. this "pro box" isn't as slick as i want it to be. Big, kind of heavy and when you totally open it, it's a "tech-mess"... for the next iteration of the pro version i'm trying to reduce parts, size and weight. Now the fp beeing so small, inexpensive for FF (don't mind smaller sensors though) and working as a webcam naitively with just a usb cable (no App nedded) seems perfect for this project imho. tried it with the ZV1, thought about a6100 but i would prefer the sigma and the 45mm F2.8 take five of this boxes set them fixed in a studio and your ready to remotely record Multicam. tried it with the two small boxes and it's more then promising. i should find a fp friend who let's me test it :) thanks again for sharing your thoughts and inspiring ideas!.
@@Behnam_Moghaddam ohhh I see! That sounds amazing. Nice compact set-up with no fuss. I can totally see that working. The Blackmagic isn't exactly big when using body only with a native lens but the sigma definitely sounds like a better choice. I'd wish you luck but it sounds like you've already figured it out.
Crazy that Phillips video is literally got me interested again in it as a amateur film guy (I'm still happy with 1080p) and photographer I can live with 8 b or 10 b . I just make documentary off the cuff.
Thank you for posting. I saw JP’s video and asked questions myself a couple weeks ago. I have the bmpcc4k as well and thinking of I should jump ship before I start a long personal project. Anyway, maybe stick with bmpcc4k and just get a metabones bmpcc4k 0.64x booster for $470 as the easy answer. Do you have one of those boosters yourself? Thoughts? Anyway I’ll be recording my own footage 60fps for slow motion of nature and feral cats. Not working weddings or events anymore. So for me it’s personal, not turn around quick commercial.
Hey, thanks for watching and commenting. Honestly...I wouldn't jump ship, it's a great camera but for reasons I pointed out, you'll be able to get a lot more done for a lot less. Granted the FP is fullframe but you're not sacrificing anything in terms of image quality. I have 2 speedboosters viltrox and the most expensive metabones cine lock and both are 0.71x. I often considered getting the 0.64x but then I'm stuck with fullframe glass unless I punch in. It's not a big deal but I didn't want anything else to worry about. The 0.64 will be great if you want that full frame look but the 0.71x is the way most people usually go. Good luck on your personal project, I find them much more rewarding than paid work as it's done purely for love and not money.
@@AltCine thanks. I’ll probably order the metabones 0.64x for my full frame vintage lenses as well as for my Lensbaby full frame lenses. I have viltrox 0.71x as well already and it gets halfway to we’re I want to be with a Twist 60 lens. (All the good parts with Lensbaby is usually in the corners of the image that MFT crops out) Yes working in movies in the 90’s-2000 and then commercial/weddings later. Now just want to do what I want to do when I want to do it. :) I’ll give you a heads up if you like after I get the 0.64x and shoot something worthwhile with it if you like.
@@alexshdvideo ahhh so that'll work great if you have FF glass already. Yeah weddings are a nightmare lol. Yes please give me a heads up when you've finished, I would really appreciate that.
Great points! Exactly my thoughts as well. Hopefully in the future they’ll do a firmware update regarding more recording options, especially internally. If they gave as many options/flavors as the bmpcc it would he a no brainer, cause all that storage space required to record is insane lol. Still a really great camera though, and especially for photography too.
Absolutely bro... absolutely! It's really all that's missing. I'm serious when I say that if this had more recording options...I would sell everything and get 2 of these and build out 2 nice rigs. It would be like heaven carrying these 2 cams to jobs, shooting fullframe and such a great price. Maybe if there was more options the price would be higher on the used market though 😅 Thanks for the comment.
comparing to p4k is a bit of a unfair comparison as the FP is 1. full-frame - allowing for greater dynamic range and lower noise levels 2. a 6k Sensor downsample - reducing noise and allowing for a sharper image than native 4k. A fairer comparison would be vs the p6k even though the p6k is using a s35 sensor.
Thanks for this review. The attraction of CDNG raw vs the quality and versatility of BRaw is a trade off, where BM has tipped the scales, dramatically in is favor with the overall BM ecosystem. I used CDNG @2.5k on the BMCC (large files), however, with Sigma FP's files being huge full-frame 4k files, it would be hard to find a practical use case for the Sigma FP.
The price of the Sigma L mount lenses is incredible. Not the CINE lenses, but the AF lenses, DG DNs... My god... This could be the biggest secret in cinematography.
I think for documentary it would be fine. Personally I think the content of the documentary would be more important than how it looks but here you could achieve both. Yes 10bit 1080p on SD card
What do you think the chances of DCI 4K ever being on a firmware update? I want to get this camera so bad due to the color capabilities, but DCI 4K being limited to only BRAW/ProRES external and not DNG I feel like I may as well go the extra mile and shell out the money on the S1H and the Video Assist like I had originally planned, as CinemaDNG alone is not enough to fully sell me.
Hi Liam, hmmm it's a tough one. They just did the update which is fantastic as the camera has been out for a while now but it's hard to know what their plan is because this is new territory for Sigma. They've had some other mirrorless camera's in the past but with the capabilities of the fp and the already demanding codecs...4k dci cdng may just push it over the edge in terms of how it performs. If they haven't added a compressed raw I'm not sure about 4k DCI. If I had to put money on it, I'd say no and IF they release a third iteration it may have the options we'd all like to see. I also think because the Japanese are more into pics than video they don't see anything lacking with the camera.
Awesome video. Can you tell me what is the best conversion LUT for the Blackmagic 6K Pro because all of my footage seems to have a Brown or green hue .
I would say to fix it in the raw tab rather than use a conversion lut. Also when you shoot...play with the white balance AND tint. It's better to get the whites fixed when shooting then you won't need to worry about conversion luts as much.
Fx30 looks great imo. I actually went online to order one but it's £2100 in UK so it's s bit more than I'm willing to spend on it. I was actually excited about owning a Sony but by the time you've converted the UK price to dollars it's far to expensive.
Funny i just watch that justin phlips video and i thought you covered it, which you did and i posted a comment but here i am again... 3 months later ...it sounds good but im not about petrabytes of storage right now i still with the tools i love, I have the BMP OG it does DNG amd i have the bmpcc4k...so thats where im at ..All the best keep up the good work yours subs can only go up
Mate, it would have been killer with an efficient codec but sigma want us to go hard or go home 😅😅 I was looking at the S5 as an alternative and it seems like a solid option even though it it doesn't shoot raw. A reputable seller has them for £1100 brand new and I'm very tempted. Thanks for comment 👍🏾👍🏾
Sounds to me you are having a hard job convincing yourself this is not the camera for you. I’ve had it since day one and it’s extraordinary. A couple 1TB SSD’s and a simple featherweight clamp and you can shoot all day. One question. How simple was it to hook up your phone to the fp? I’d love to know. Great review after so many negative comments over the past couple of years.
That is partly the problem 😅 I said at the beginning I'm confused but didn't elaborate. The reason I'm confused is because I want it so badly, the money is just sitting there with FP written all over it lol What kind of stuff do you shoot? Sometimes doing multiple takes can take up a lot of room on my current setup and shooting in this would give me anxiety but the temptation is still strong. The phone is easy if you have Android. A simple usb capture card with a free app will work on any phone. Try get a 3.0 small capture card from Amazon RRP £13 and you can use it on any camera that has hdmi. Honestly, the people who gave it bad reviews is quite perplexing. The image coming out of this was really nice when I inspected it closely, the build quality far surpasses anything else in its original price range and it's very stable. Something's could always be better but that goes for every camera on the market
I'd get the BMPCC 6k instead based on what you described. But then again, BMD hasn't come out with a camera in awhile... I'm also happy with my panasonic S1 and you can get BRAW with the BMD assist monitor.
Yeah I hear that. This is just going on price alone though as both can be bought for very similar money. Also with the m43 & L mount you have access to so many more lenses....but the 6k is definitely a good option.
Hey Charlez, I would love to give my thoughts but I've never used a Fuji so it'd probably just be biased along with a lot of my own personal feelings based on nothing. If I have to say anything I'd say it sounds fantastic as a combo because Fuji footage looks really nice as it is. Hopefully I'll check one out soon
Quick question in one of the opening shots you have the FP tethered to your iPhone. What app are you using to view your video on iPhone. Thanks in advance !!!! And this is an awesome video. I own the FP L as well as the Bmpcc4k and I absolutely love them both❤️
Hi, you can use this capture card - www.amazon.co.uk/03-Adapter-Capture-TYPE-C-Silver/dp/B08QW7BN6D/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=2EO84LEE3UFZS&keywords=usb+c+capture+card&qid=1651016443&sprefix=usbc+capt%2Caps%2C152&sr=8-3 And search for 'nExt Camera -USB' on Google playstore. This app and card will work with any HDMI camera and most modern android devices. Thank you for the feedback 😁 I have a question for you. The FP dosen't have and anti aliasing filter which can cause problems in video. I've read that the fp-L does have the filter so it's better imo. Have you noticed any aliasing or moiré in your footage?
Wow so I can record /capture video live with this or is this card just to view what I’m seeing live? And do I need an app to make all this happen. Either way this is awesome thank you so much, I’ve never seen this before, just ssd or external monitor setups!!!!🙌🏾🔥🙌🏾😀
@@willpowermediagroupllc Hey, yes I've written the app to search for in Google play. There's quite a few usb capture card apps in the playstore but this one is good. Yes your phone or pc can record what the camera sees. On the phone you'll only get about 1080p but using OBS for something on you pc can get 4k.
Most people use this to just monitor video but there's other apps like CameraFi that can even livestream from your camera. I did a series on this a long time ago but here's one using the cameraFi app. Skip to about 11:50 ua-cam.com/video/BczzbLwVGeg/v-deo.html
@@willpowermediagroupllc ps, you need a semi decent android phone with usb otg. You can see if your phone is compatible if you're not sure. play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.faitaujapon.otg
LOL yeah you are right about the storage space. It is a BEAST, really would be hard for live shoots or like you say weddings or something like that. but for narrative shoots where you have a little crew, if you have a couple little Sandisk 2TBs, you could just swap them out all day long, have somone dumping the footage for you. But if no crew, then yeah, like you say, it's sweatin' bullets time! LOL, great stuff!
Haha yeah bro, I almost swallowed my tongue when I saw the sizes...HUGE! I know you usually shoot with a team which is handy and it's so much less stress on jobs I have with a team.
All in all, my eyes were really opened to this cam and it's bloody marvellous.
Whatever I choose to buy this year I can see this being my b-cam at some point.
@@AltCine Yeah dude!
Dog time in the house. Cole... Great video. You answered done thoughts I had on this camera.
@@DavidGriffin respect David 🙌🏾🙌🏾. Im still very much interested in it and if compression ever comes I'll definitely buy 1 or 2.
Justin you really turned my camera search upside down with that FP video. Coming from the BMPCC 4k and 6k, and GH5 it was right up my ally. I have a T5 SSD workflow so high data does not scare me. A hidden treasure that’s for sure.
@3:03 Would you mind sharing with us which app you were using there pls?
Can't even remember which one it was as I've used so many. The app I'm using now is the monitor plus free version and it's fantastic.
monitorplus.cc/
@@AltCine Cool, thanks!
The great thing about the FP is that if you use one of blackmagic's external recorders like the view assist 5 or 7 inch 12g HDR, you can record blackmagic raw to it. I already have the 5" monitor and am somewhat considering getting an FP and rigging it out with that monitor, as it would be significantly better than what my Canon R6 offers. Thought I'd mention that.
Lol I should have watched the whole video before commenting, didn't realize you mentioned it 😂
I can definitely see the benefits in that if you own an assist already. It's a very good point too because if I already owned one that would also change my buying decisions.
I honestly do love everything about this camera... seriously couldn't find anything negative to say about it. The CDNG sizes are not limited to this camera so it can't really be considered a bad point....just very inconvenient to have no other options other than to drop colour depth.
For you...I'd say it would be a good purchase.
You inspired me to look up the Sigma FP specs on B&H: the latest firmware updates give it external DCI 4K to a BlackMagic 12G Video Assist in BRAW. This may give it exactly what you asked for- albeit requiring the external recorder. It is an amazing little piece of kit… seriously tempting. Thanks for the review. Quite eye-opening at how much detail the Olympus destroys for a “clean” image. Based on that alone I wouldn’t touch the thing, but you’ve definitely peaked my interest about the FP!
I have a question, I believe from what I've heard, the FP can do internal 4K compressed ALL-I & Long GOP recording at 440mbs. If this is true, using ALL-I, for size should be a considerably smaller file size while also still delivering amazing colors, detail, & head room in post as well.
Hi, yes it does. The 8bit test on the stairs was h264 all-i. I think as long as you set the camera correctly then it's fine.
I saw Justins video too, and although I'm still more than happy with the EOSM, there is the desire of getting a different body down the road. So the Sigma sparked my interest. So your real life review as highly appreciated... Thanks to Rolly to make this possible.
Justin's video was great, really enjoyed it from start to finish. I understand your wants to move up from the m at some point but it really does fill the gap for low cost shooting.
Roly is a great guy, met him a couple times now and he's always so pleasant. I'm still keeping the sigma on my radar though....and will do another test soon but it'll be about composition & grading.
@@AltCine I will never get rid of the M. That's my ticket to the best community on the interwebs.
@@rickylefleur2158 haha I hear that
TIME STAMP 9:52 ... the black jacket on the sigma look like it has green in it also his face looks more muddy less detail. It too hard to beat BMCC4K its the king... i was thinking about the g6 but i think im too deep in with gear for my Bmpcc4k and i love what it can do.
Yeah I see. It's easy to correct though...I really didn't give these conversions much time.
At the same time I agree with you about the p4k. It's just too easy to work with. Fantastic camera
Uncompressed RAW does not give You advantage in pulling exposure, it give You advantage in denoising and stabilisation.
I'm using FP L since it launched, it replaced my pocket 4k. This camera does not reqiure as many things dangling from it. Like a battery, speed booster, preamp (FPs is way quieter), cage and so on. Low light capability is also much better on sigma, it can do iso 25600 in less contrasty scenes and do well. You get decent C-AF as a nice bonus when You put it on gimbal (FP L after updates, it used to be bad before).
1TB drive give You same amount of time as internal battery (~54 min ) plus some extra for having it on while not recording. I swap them in pairs. SSD's got way cheaper than SD cards. Kingstone a2000 1TB work well and are cheap. I use 3d printed SSD enclosure holder.
Where BMD had it right was 120fps and BRAW was not as demanding to edit.
Main reason for switch for me was size and build quality, BMPCC4k was HUGE and after attaching bunch of required stuff to it, ended up being just bloated mess of cables. It made it unreliable, bmpcc was not weathersealed, delicate in comparison. But also cheap. So do what You will ;)
OooooK thanks for that. I guess every single photographer and videographer only shoot raw to de-noise and stabilise....you learn something new everyday 😁
If it's working for you that's fantastic, it really is a great camera and I can see why you like it.
Your comments about p4k are not the way I use mine but I know it's quite common for people to rig them to death.
Happy Shooting Hubert
@@AltCine I mean in comparison to BRAW
@@AltCine And main point is, media for FP is cheap, like 90$/TB (90$ per 54min) that is nowhere near as bad as some make it out to be.
Best unbiased review and comparison so far. Amazing level of detail and the differences of day to day usage and scenarios. Amazing video mate 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thank you 🙌🏾. There wasn't much to complain about tbh and I have a healthy respect for what sigma are doing here. I look forward to the day I can own this and use it for what I do.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
This was a good comparison between the fp and BMP4K. I ended up going with the fp because it fit my particular workflow better (and Sigma was kind enough to lend me one last summer so I could test it out) and I really, really love the small size. It wasn't something I was thinking about, but it's so well balanced that I use it for more handheld/monopod shots than I normally do. In the end, the best camera for you is the one that fits your workflow best.
That's great that it fits your workflow. I think it's great for handheld but still getting the quality of a big cine cam so I fully understand your reasoning.
It was the size that really got me interested as I love going to shoots with small bags but packed with everything you'd need for all day.
I'm definitely going to shoot some more with it and try some proper grading. It's such a powerful little box.
@@AltCine Isn't it amazing to have this wealth of choices for cameras? And not having to lug around a Betacam on your shoulder is just aces.
@@ryanharper-brown it is mate. We're so spoilt for choice it's crazy.
Great!! How much of SSD drive do u keep with you?
@@chitranshutapas At the moment just a 1TB SanDisk as I'm currently doing really short projects. But will pick up a few more when they're on sale again.
Been shooting around the world with a pair of these for the last 18 months. It is awesome. You can vet an EF to L adapter with a VND built in as well.
Yeah I saw that on fotodiox page...it looks great.
beside de double ends USB-C cable, please, What Phone APP have you used to make your phone SIGMA FP monitor? I would love to try that! Thank you in advance.
The best free app I’ve used is called neXt camera usb. You can find it on Google playstore…green icon. I would link it but because I’m in the beta program there’s no share link.
@@AltCine thank you so much!
Really good stuff mate! Nice to hear a bit of London on UA-cam too. Like you're video work, good eye!
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it 😁. Yes, where are all the Londoner's?
Just bought FP today. With SlimRaw and 2-3 ssds the image quality is on another level. And I can fit it in my pocket. That’s my reason to buy this.
I think you made a great choice tbh. The fp is amazing...forget about the price...it's just amazing 👌🏾
Ended up getting the P4K & I absolutely LOVE it! The end quality is well worth it!
Awesome 👏🏾👏🏾 good choice imo....you really can't go wrong.
Hey oh!! i appreciate the shout out!!
Hey Justin😁 your video is great man!!! UA-cam is so stale but your video is top notch👌🏾👌🏾 can't wait to see some footage alongside your RED.
@@AltCine thank you! i appreciate that! have no narrative jobs lined up this month as DP, but i most definitely plan on doing a little staged shoot out for UA-cam
@@JustinPhillip look forward to it and the bell is already ticked 👌🏾👌🏾
Agreed. Justin’s video got me looking at the camera but the lack of recording options and the large file sizes is my hold up to it. Other than that, it would be hands down an amazing camera to have.
Yeah fully agree with your comment. Not many downsides at all....it's so close to be amazing.
Great review of the little Sigma FP. As a potential buyer, your video is very informative. Thank you. 👍
Glad it was helpful!
the best review about this camera on youtube! Thanks a lot
I really appreciate your point of view with this camera. I saw Justin Phillip’s review and wanted to do more research. I, due to my job, have dozens of nvme's laying around and not really any use for them. It was hard trying to choose between the BM4k and this camera. However, since I’m going to start reviving my channel with automotive content, I like how small + light the Sigma is and I do not need to go and buy a large DJI ronin rs3 and can now settle for an dji SC gimbal with a prime lens for rolling shots. Plus, with it being such a small form factor I’m less worried about hanging it outside of a car as well. I think I will pull the trigger on the camera thanks to you! Cheers :)
Hey, thanks for the comment. From what you said...it sounds perfect for your use case. I really think having a small and nimble setup increases productivity, especially for personal projects.
I think anything you shoot with this will come out well but automotive is going to look exceptional 👌🏾
All the best with your new content and I hope it does really well 🙏🏾
'Fair & balanced! Ha-ha; fine context and perspective. Kudos to your warm delivery and contextual conclusion.
Cheers man, appreciate the feedback. Tbh it's hard to look at a camera and say it's 'terrible' these days. Technically I'm still new to this but as long as a camera dosen't breakdown or overheat...I find them all quite impressive.
Absolutely beast of a video! I think from what I've heard, with a 2tb t5ssd you can get an hour of filming. With the way the f p is priced now, you can get two drives, the camera, and a lens with it for less than $2000. Which, depending on your filming needs, having full frame with these options would be killer. Mainly low light filming for set pieces, & high dynamic range. It obviously depends on the person and their workflow.
Also, having the ability to convert the files to be raw in post is a huge Plus! So even if you don't have the money to buy an external monitor like a ninja 5 or the black magic, you can still compress files for storage and have 4 terabytes to work with on set.
Thank you 😁 although 1hr per tb is dancing on the edge for me it's still a very tempting option but as you said....it comes down to what you shoot.
I also agree that it's crazy to get such a quality item for so little money. I was wondering if the image was up to scratch but it exceeds my expectations even on these basic tests ...I can only imagine how great it would be on a proper production.
The truth is, I may still end up with one next week. As a working DP, UA-camr and casual shooter I think I can get this to work for some things but I'd still have to keep the p4k for longer shoots.
Thanks for the comment 👍🏾👍🏾
@@AltCine Yes!! The issues that the FP & most expensive Cinema cameras also have the same issues (battery life, storage, rigging, etc). But because the FP punches well above its weight class in terms of price, most "prosumers" aren't used to dealing with these issues so they seem relatively big. However, when you compare the picture quality that you're able to get whenever you make those compromises & rig-out the FP, the image quality & color accuracy you get with the FP is almost comparable with the big guys like Red, Sony, & dare I say Arri! For the price, this is one of the best deals you could ever get! Full-frame as well!
To reiterate, if you are casual videographer and you do more Vlogging and "run & gun" style media then this camera is definitely not your option. But if you're doing music videos, short films, or even weddings, then this is an EXCELLENT deal if you can rig it out. Rigging & all you'll be at around $2500 for a full frame camera that has RED & Sony like output (it's going for $1,599 for the body & kit lens).
@Joseph It was on B&H on same at the time. It was I believe 1400 for the camera with a lens.
@@MtZionMediaPro how do you convert cdng to braw? Is it better than slimraw?
Totally agree. Own the BMPCC 4k and 6k pro and won`t change, because of exactly the same reasons. Also cheap and good Leica lenses are still rare.
Yep I hear that!!! 2 good cams you got there.
I would add this as b-cam and nice to carry around but it can't replace the Blackmagic imo
I think the Sigma FP and FP L are great cameras. Just takes time to get use to. Photo and video quality is outstanding. I will shoot manual focus when I get my hands on them
💯 no doubt about it... absolutely fantastic camera's. The day they add raw compression I'm getting involved.
Ps, I too focus manually on 95% of the stuff I do so there's no worries about that.
Also, I think the camera is extremely easy to use. Learning curve is almost non existent. Very easy UI in my opinion.
@@AltCine the issue is that raw compression is being held back by the stupid RED patents. The only reason BM has compressed raw is because they got it before RED so RED can't really push them back out. FP with compressed raw at this time looks completely impossible. What I think would be better is internal 10 bit. Just give us that and it makes it work just well enough.
Very nice, narrative-style, review. Well done!
Thank you 🙌🏾
I have a Sigma FP. Not everything is great, but I still have a strong connection to her. I never had the heart to sell it. I use it as a small photo camera with the Sigma 45mm/ 2.8 or for film, but then with Gimbel, BlackMagic Video Assist & SSD. I think the film look is very nice. What I miss the most is an IBIS.
It is a great camera and very capable so I understand why you don't want to sell it.
I bought it, and choose to take the bad with the good. because the good is just too good. also, I already love your channel and happy to see someone who looks like me doing things at this high level. keep up the good work.
That's awesome man. That really is the best way to approach things as there's always good & bad.
The camera is fantastic and the price of entry is very good...such a compelling camera with lots of positive and possibilities.
Thanks for the positive comments too, I also feel we're in a minority.
Man UA-camrs, this topic has been discussed, so many times on YT, like the problem of BlackM cameras and their batteries problems, put those topics to rest already, I have that camera and multiple hd and I have absolutely no problem with that camera and I also have the BM 4K. Thanks to Justin's video it was the reason why I bought this camera and so far, I don't regret it.
Another great in-depth video Cole. Well done mate.✌
Thank you 🙌🏾🙌🏾😁
Really appreciate the feedback mate.
@@AltCine it's good info. You saved yourself.. (and me🤣)... lots of cash by trying it out!.. It does look like a great camera though... I'm still tempted 😜
@@Skunk-420 yeah 😅😅 at a push it could probably work..but it'll take a lot of manoeuvring.
The temptation is definitely strong. Even after all this I still desperately want one but gotta think with the head and not the heart.
I hear ya! the trouble is the heart usuallly wins! 🤣
isn't there like a 3rd party firmware to lower the Raw file size? I heard that in one of the videos, have you looked into it? I love the color of this camera but the file size and no flippi screen is what is keeping me away from it.
There is a program called slimraw... however, storing the files is not really an issue...it's recording them. It's ok for a quick personal shoot here and there but a normal job I personally would need many terabytes just to get through a day.
Justin did an amazing work on this one, but yeah in the end I had the same thoughts as you and also the rigging in mind.
Yeah that video was quality 👌🏾👌🏾 ohhh the rig, that right! The prices for sigma official parts are extremely high but luckily there's some third party bits but it's all extra money.
The recording media is the scary part though. The clips I recorded were no longer than 20 to 30secs and we're coming out at nearly 10gb+ 😱
@@AltCine Did you check this one ua-cam.com/video/4l7ntPJ1HYk/v-deo.html (FP Rig configs)
I'm going to buy a used one from Japan at some point. You can pick up a fairly low usage one for about $1,100. That's pretty good.
That is good 👍🏾👍🏾
Great review; stuff like this always reminds me of the chokehold that RED has on the camera industry and on RAW video compression. A tiny dynamite camera like the FP would be maybe the most revolutionary camera of the last few years if it could have some kind of RAW compression, but because it wasn't made by Blackmagic or RED, it suffers from the absurd file sizes. It's a shame, because it manages to actually deliver on the "pocket" aspect that the BMPCC4K doesn't quite live up to. If anything this has made me hopeful for the future of Sigma's cinema lineup and happy as a BMPCC4K owner.
good video presentation. Did you get the camera?
Thanks Mark, No I won't get this camera.
I owned a 6k pro on release but received units that had to be replaced because of flaws etc. Even though I didn't have the best experience....the features were great but I realised I didn't need them, 6k Res or a bigger camera so after a while I bought another p4k.
If I'm being honest, I doubt I'd buy another blackmagic until they release a box cam with an inbuilt screen.
Smashed it! A loaner was a smart move.
Yeah definitely! Although personally it wasn't right for me...I can see it being perfect for some people.
@8:05 the BMPCC 4K has something cinematic about it. I didn’t get that same feeling from the FP footage… Interesting
Yes I agree. It looks clean like the FP but the roll-off is definitely smoother. It kinda leads to a more pleasing softer look but still sharp.
I think you know what I mean lol
@@AltCine exactly, what you said. Good call on the video too. As a BMPCC 4K user myself who shoots narrative this camera doesn’t make a lot of sense with the raw file sizes.
Thank you so much for this video that covered all my doubts about those cameras.
I was just about to talk about Justin! He made great points with the sensor, affordable full frame option, and the uncompressed cinema DNG, which I do miss. Either way, you’re gonna kill it regardless of what cam you have because you are talented my friend.
Yeah Justin's video is solid... undeniably great points 👌🏾👌🏾 After giving it more thought I really want this camera and I do hope they add compression options.
Thank you and I'll shoot some meaningful stuff with this again very soon as I want to do something more stylised.
One thing that makes the FP special is the low light performance. It's killer in the dark. For me, It's mostly on the RS2 for light weight and connected to the video assist recording BRaw, although CDNG out of the camera is beautiful.
I am planning to use mine on the RS2 as well when it arrives.. Do you have an external monitor as well ?
@@polarxta2833 yes. A 5” Video Assist recording BRaw.
Yeah it would be nice to fly this on a gimbal for long shoots. I do fly the p4k & sigma 18-35 on the rsc2 which works fine but I can't put a cage on
@@jordanpryce8964 How do you pull focus when on the gimbal? Or do you just set it before every shot?
@@nathancasey7712 I set it and forget it.
I'm just about interested in getting it but after listened your input I changed my mind and I agree with you. Bigger file is not necessary better. I'll stay with my Sony now. Thank you IMCE.
Yeah it's a shame mate...it's a lot of camera for the money but it's just too much of a headache.
As soon as they add compression... it'll definitely be the one to get.
Thanks for commenting 🙌🏾
There is also the low light improvement. Granted if youre on a raw beast like this probably have lights too. But in case you're running and gunning at night it's nice to have the extra iso space.
That's very true
cool video! How is the Full HD quality? thanks a lot...
good show chap, i cant decide, bm6k the fp?
Depends what you use it for but 6k definitely. You still have to the battery dance but you'll get more mileage out of it.
Thank you so much for the informative post. It has helped make up my mind on the fp
No probs, glad you found it useful. What did you decide?
Personally I went with the Lumix S5 as they're going quite cheap now...I paid £1100 new from an online store. I recently bought a ninja v so I feel I'm covered for pretty much anything now.
@@AltCine am still having trouble deciding. Have plenty of time to decide. The s5 is an option for my photography and video, but I may also get the BM 6k pro for an independent feature I'm writing. It's overwhelming. I like your no bullsh*t delivery style.
@@nefflz Maaaan I don't envy you...it's so hard making your mind up. There's so much to think about these days it makes your head spin.
Thanks for watching and commenting mate, I really appreciate it.
There are lot of comments here that surprised me no one mentioned the slimRAW option when using the SigmaFP camera. if you install slimRAW you will have pretty much the same compression options Blackmagic has. if you have this camera or an older version of Blackmagic cameras it is a must-have
I replied to quite a few comments concerning slim raw and it's actually a great piece of software. The problem isn't the storage for editing or saving....it's the recording.
The recorded data is roughly the same size as ProRes raw and anyone that's tried to do projects in prores raw knows that it eats recording media for breakfast.
Blackmagic can still record 12bit raw at 4k DCI 60fps to a memory card and with compression at 12:1 you can get decent shoot times.
With the FP these things just aren't possible
@@AltCine slimRaw has new version you can install on sigma FP where you have the option of recording 12:1. a lot of people don't know this to my surprise.
Great vid! Thanks for making, I’m really curious about the FP. Subbed
Thank you. When you take really hard look at the FP you begin to see it's probably the most significant camera release in years. Sigma aren't far off from having an exceptional camera.
Nice I'll keep shooting with my EOS M 👍🏾🤭😎👍🏾🙏🏾
Yep 👍🏾👍🏾 cheers Patrick
Thanks for this rational appraisal of the two systems from a real-world perspective. That's remarkably hard to find in the hype-filled UA-cam world!
Thank you for the comment Robin. Yeah UA-cam is full of hype and I think that's why we end up with so much stuff we don't need.
A lot of stuff seems good on paper but using gear in the field is where it really matters.
Have a great day mate.
Let’s say storage wasn’t an issue and you did more solo work… And recording yourself, which would you pick?
Hi, it's funny I just having this conversation yesterday about the fp. I probably still wouldn't buy it because the rolling shutter isn't great and although CDNG works relatively well on basic machines in 2023...braw is much faster to work with.
I think if sigma make another version, they have potential to get all the basics right but right now...I'd still choose the p4k.
@@AltCine nice, thank you for the insight.
No probs
I wonder what you think of it, now that it has braw and prores raw available with the new update
I think that has changed my opinion a lot. It would be nice for more in camera options but most of us will use a monitor anyway. The prices have risen dramatically too which sucks but my honest thoughts are that sigma broke some serious ground with this camera and it's a shame that other brands haven't followed suit.
Finally someone tells the same opinion. apart from raw compression, the ability to shoot just prores422 or hq 10bit would make this camera very interesting.
But maybe Sigma didn’t intend the FP to be BMPCC 4K/6K competition
🙌🏾🙌🏾. Yes they probably didn't have the p4k in mind at all. I stopped doing comparisons a long time ago because most cams are great these days but I had to reply to Justin 😅
as a vfx supervisor of 20 years, i'll say this: the file size is only a fraction of the problem. the true troubles come with everything done downstream- once it's been shot. everything from copying and transcoding proxies (necessary at cDNG bitrates), to vfx, compositing, renders... everything takes 4 times longer. there are good reasons the industry has gravitated towards compression. even with ProResHQ we can deliver much faster turn around on shots. we'd used 2K LOG files for over a decade via proxies, so 4K truly is ample resolution for most needs- even highly compressed, lossless comp schemes have come far in a short few years.
Thank you Brian, I'm grateful for this information and fully understand and agree with the need for compression but it's nice to have it confirmed by someone who's been in the industry for a long time.
Oh man this is exactly the reason I NEVER got the Sigma FP. I wanted it and I wanted to want it but it just didn't make sense. Regarding the Full Frame thing. I still feel that Super 35 is fantastic. It's still the standard in filmmaking and honestly if you speedboost the Pocket 4K that's actually about the same dimensions as the Arri Alexa. Great video man!
Thanks brother. Yeah the FF is good but it's not be all, end all.
I love s35 and the p4k with speedbooster
Nice review. And may i know how to connect kamera to phone as monitor. What kind of cable. Thanks
Thank you. Here is an old video - it's for Android phones with OTG support only
ua-cam.com/video/oLhdJrzBE4Q/v-deo.html
Buy this - amzn.to/3N4p3xZ
Finally, search for 'nExt usb camera' on Google play
@@AltCine thanks so much
@@gueipulx4244 no probs. I wish I could link the app but because I'm in the beta programme I don't get a link.
I would use the sigma in CDNG under controlled setttings. CDNG is not a run and gun codec but (From older BM camera standpoint) CDNG looks way more filmic than Braw or compressed formats in terms of texture and color density.
I absolutely agree with that! All of it👍🏾👍🏾
A very good and detailed video. Interesting. thx
Thanks for commenting bro. I'm still very torn over this cam.
Brilliant comparison thanks ever so much.👍
What's your thoughts with the FP now? It's getting my attention lately.
Hi Glenn, it's still the same as in the video. I think this is great for some people but I just don't want to deal with those file sizes.
It’s hard to beat the skin tones on the BMPCC 4k. It’s magical on skin tones.
It really is. Absolutely gorgeous and you can do so much in post.
whats a good notebook to use davinci resolve, any good recommendations? thanx , Mark
@@markbrown1609 Any Apple M1 product. Most Intel gaming laptops and some business class varients like the Dell XPS line with 20 or 30 series graphics and at least 30gb of ram if you want to have good time. You could go cheaper and just use a proxy's workflow. It's a long nuanced topic that you should definitly do your own research about.
@@kevinbatts2804 cheers!
I heard through a firmware update the sigma can now record in black magic raw. Not positive but maybe check that out if you’re still interested at all. Thanks for the great video!
Yeah that's right, this camera still keeps giving. In no way was I trashing the camera, I think a lot of these manufacturers need to take a hard look at what sigma is doing 🙌🏾
Would the FP be a good camera for doing commercial videos?
I think it's capable but to get the best image you will have to shoot raw.
Nice video, I will be doing a review on the Sigm FP and FPL in a week or so. I have had the cameras for 1 year. FYI you might not know this but a ssd drive attached gives you 1 hour of recording then I use Slim Raw to compress it on my working drive with little to no loss of quality. Its a pretty deep camera BMPC vs FP is a tight race with BMPC winning out. If you are looking for a hybrid no competition FP all the way...
1hr isn't too bad..what size drive?
One thing for certain is cdng is incredibly powerful and I loved the full frame.
I'll keep a lookout for your vids too 👍🏾👍🏾
@@AltCine yes I have a 1tb drive external which gives me 55 mins of raw 30 fps 4k. It’s very cheap that plugs into my pc directly along with slim raw that converts to a 7 to 1 compression ration that gets copied into my pc. The 1tb then gets wiped for the next shoot. Hope this helps.
@@MAKE_PHOTOGRAPHS_ANYWHERE yes that's great info, roughly about the same as ProRes raw on the atomos.
ANSWER PLEASE!
I wonder how you connect your phone as a monitor for SIGMA fp, did you add some external devices or just plug the HDMI cable port into an Android phone or an iPhone?
For android you can use a usb capture card which are very cheap on Amazon.
For iOS you can't do that unless you have one of the latest iPhones that have MHL then you can use a normal cable. Apple finally caught up to android lol
amzn.to/49gcaLH
@@AltCine Thank you.. So in android phone are you installed some kind apps to show what the fp see?
A fabulous review. Great work. Subbed 👍
Thank you 😁
ProRes RAW compressed...internally, full flip-up or side-flip screen (but not a deal breaker) and autofocus accuracy near enough what Sony and Canon can do, then I'll buy the FP/FP L v2. Manual focusing is a respectful but dying art, but there'll always be die-hards to keep up the tradition.
That'll come in version 9 😁 all jokes aside...even though AF on some cams is amazing, I still wouldn't risk it on paid work which is unpredictable.
Even if the movement was predictable...one flutter of the AF could ruin a whole shot. On one of my movies we did a one shot take that lasted 3.5mins and involved 7 people switching places, running, jumping etc...those kind of shots you'll be glad you practiced manual focus lol
WOW! Whole heap of info to take in. But interesting still, of course.
@@elijahmant2855 🙌🏾🙌🏾
So BMPCC 4K is still worth in 2022. Good. Any guess whether there will will be BMPCC 4K Pro
Yeah and well beyond 2022 imo. Tbh the only reason I put 2022 in the title is so people know it's new video.... definitely not one of those silly "is it still worth it" stuff 😅
Tbh I have no idea about the pro. It would make sense for BM to refresh the 4k but only by adding a tilt screen and bigger battery...any thing else would increase the price to much.
@@AltCine that makes sense . Thanks brother. Stay awesome.
@@ShijoCT650 you too my friend 🙌🏾
Talk about a thorough breakdown of an amazing camera. =O But those cons though....
Hey bro. Yeah man...sigma are so close to having something super useful it's crazy.
watcheda few videos about the fp earlier today. justins was the last one till yours came! awesome! there is this one feature that lets me want to buy this camera and it's nothing of the "usual suspects". it's the webcam functionality. i'm working on a remote interview kit since the unhealthy stuff began. using a pocket and a capture dongle at the moment
the fp... i know it's stupid but man - i can't get that thing out of my head...
liked Justins video. and so do i this one!
thx
Not stupid at all, it all comes down to personal needs and if you're using a full frame camera as a webcam I can imagine for professional meetings it would come across very well👌🏾
It would be possible to use the fp as a webcam though right? Even the capture card would work or are you missing something by using a capture card?
Thanks for watching and commenting and please let me know the issue with using it as a webcam. I honestly see myself with a couple of these at some point so it's good to gather as much info as I can. Thanks
@@AltCine what i'm doing is building a box that contains a tablet-windows-pc, teleprompter, a microphone, a light.... all in a ready2use case. open it and lay back and let me record remotely in good quality. mostly for interviews and CorpCom internal talking head stuff.
the boxes i'm currently using are 2 simple ones: good webcam miniboxes and a second for the higher paycheck with a BMPCC4K, a dell tablet PC etc. this "pro box" isn't as slick as i want it to be. Big, kind of heavy and when you totally open it, it's a "tech-mess"...
for the next iteration of the pro version i'm trying to reduce parts, size and weight.
Now the fp beeing so small, inexpensive for FF (don't mind smaller sensors though) and working as a webcam naitively with just a usb cable (no App nedded) seems perfect for this project imho. tried it with the ZV1, thought about a6100 but i would prefer the sigma and the 45mm F2.8
take five of this boxes set them fixed in a studio and your ready to remotely record Multicam. tried it with the two small boxes and it's more then promising.
i should find a fp friend who let's me test it
:)
thanks again for sharing your thoughts and inspiring ideas!.
@@Behnam_Moghaddam ohhh I see! That sounds amazing. Nice compact set-up with no fuss.
I can totally see that working. The Blackmagic isn't exactly big when using body only with a native lens but the sigma definitely sounds like a better choice.
I'd wish you luck but it sounds like you've already figured it out.
@@AltCine namaste my friend
Crazy that Phillips video is literally got me interested again in it as a amateur film guy (I'm still happy with 1080p) and photographer I can live with 8 b or 10 b . I just make documentary off the cuff.
Then I think this can really work for you. Especially for getting stealth footage.
Thank you for posting. I saw JP’s video and asked questions myself a couple weeks ago. I have the bmpcc4k as well and thinking of I should jump ship before I start a long personal project. Anyway, maybe stick with bmpcc4k and just get a metabones bmpcc4k 0.64x booster for $470 as the easy answer. Do you have one of those boosters yourself? Thoughts? Anyway I’ll be recording my own footage 60fps for slow motion of nature and feral cats. Not working weddings or events anymore. So for me it’s personal, not turn around quick commercial.
Hey, thanks for watching and commenting. Honestly...I wouldn't jump ship, it's a great camera but for reasons I pointed out, you'll be able to get a lot more done for a lot less.
Granted the FP is fullframe but you're not sacrificing anything in terms of image quality.
I have 2 speedboosters viltrox and the most expensive metabones cine lock and both are 0.71x. I often considered getting the 0.64x but then I'm stuck with fullframe glass unless I punch in. It's not a big deal but I didn't want anything else to worry about.
The 0.64 will be great if you want that full frame look but the 0.71x is the way most people usually go.
Good luck on your personal project, I find them much more rewarding than paid work as it's done purely for love and not money.
@@AltCine thanks. I’ll probably order the metabones 0.64x for my full frame vintage lenses as well as for my Lensbaby full frame lenses. I have viltrox 0.71x as well already and it gets halfway to we’re I want to be with a Twist 60 lens. (All the good parts with Lensbaby is usually in the corners of the image that MFT crops out)
Yes working in movies in the 90’s-2000 and then commercial/weddings later. Now just want to do what I want to do when I want to do it. :) I’ll give you a heads up if you like after I get the 0.64x and shoot something worthwhile with it if you like.
@@alexshdvideo ahhh so that'll work great if you have FF glass already. Yeah weddings are a nightmare lol.
Yes please give me a heads up when you've finished, I would really appreciate that.
Great points! Exactly my thoughts as well. Hopefully in the future they’ll do a firmware update regarding more recording options, especially internally. If they gave as many options/flavors as the bmpcc it would he a no brainer, cause all that storage space required to record is insane lol. Still a really great camera though, and especially for photography too.
Absolutely bro... absolutely! It's really all that's missing. I'm serious when I say that if this had more recording options...I would sell everything and get 2 of these and build out 2 nice rigs.
It would be like heaven carrying these 2 cams to jobs, shooting fullframe and such a great price. Maybe if there was more options the price would be higher on the used market though 😅
Thanks for the comment.
comparing to p4k is a bit of a unfair comparison as the FP is
1. full-frame - allowing for greater dynamic range and lower noise levels
2. a 6k Sensor downsample - reducing noise and allowing for a sharper image than native 4k.
A fairer comparison would be vs the p6k even though the p6k is using a s35 sensor.
Yep totally agree! I was responding to Justin Phillips video but the p4k is no slouch.
Thanks for this review. The attraction of CDNG raw vs the quality and versatility of BRaw is a trade off, where BM has tipped the scales, dramatically in is favor with the overall BM ecosystem. I used CDNG @2.5k on the BMCC (large files), however, with Sigma FP's files being huge full-frame 4k files, it would be hard to find a practical use case for the Sigma FP.
Exactly...you nailed it! Yes the quality is fantastic but "finding a use case" 👌🏾👌🏾
Have you ever considered Slimraw for the FP?
Yeah I looked at it but as mentioned...it's not so much the storing of video files...it's the capturing that works out very expensive.
how did you use to the phone as a monitor for fp?
Just buy a cheap USBC capture card for around £13 and get usb camera app from playstore. Android only
The price of the Sigma L mount lenses is incredible. Not the CINE lenses, but the AF lenses, DG DNs... My god... This could be the biggest secret in cinematography.
you can recover more from SDNG but there is no proper support for the format at any editing software I see to this date ,
Yeah definitely can recover more. I tried editing cdng the other day and it's still stressful on my mac.
So you would find it good for basic footage on the cuff or documentary . I thought it did 8 and 10.on a fast card?
I think for documentary it would be fine. Personally I think the content of the documentary would be more important than how it looks but here you could achieve both.
Yes 10bit 1080p on SD card
I love my BM pockets, But for me the very small form factor + the Full Frame sensor makes it a very different camera.
It's true, it's so hard to choose these days because they all have great things about them.
What do you think the chances of DCI 4K ever being on a firmware update? I want to get this camera so bad due to the color capabilities, but DCI 4K being limited to only BRAW/ProRES external and not DNG I feel like I may as well go the extra mile and shell out the money on the S1H and the Video Assist like I had originally planned, as CinemaDNG alone is not enough to fully sell me.
Hi Liam, hmmm it's a tough one. They just did the update which is fantastic as the camera has been out for a while now but it's hard to know what their plan is because this is new territory for Sigma.
They've had some other mirrorless camera's in the past but with the capabilities of the fp and the already demanding codecs...4k dci cdng may just push it over the edge in terms of how it performs.
If they haven't added a compressed raw I'm not sure about 4k DCI. If I had to put money on it, I'd say no and IF they release a third iteration it may have the options we'd all like to see.
I also think because the Japanese are more into pics than video they don't see anything lacking with the camera.
Love your videos
Thank you Ian 😃🙌🏾
Well done brother 👏
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Yes Louis 🙌🏾🙌🏾😁
Awesome video. Can you tell me what is the best conversion LUT for the Blackmagic 6K Pro because all of my footage seems to have a Brown or green hue .
I would say to fix it in the raw tab rather than use a conversion lut. Also when you shoot...play with the white balance AND tint.
It's better to get the whites fixed when shooting then you won't need to worry about conversion luts as much.
00:30 “Ah-Oh Focus...” never thought the word “Autofocus” could sound that frikkin’ cool.
🤣🤣 the cockney slipping through
@@AltCine I’m from Atlanta man, the way we talk may sound like a foreign language to you, lol.
Really great Video bro, thanks.👍🏾
@@bigdap100 😁😁 I'm going to find some videos on Atlanta now.
Cheers mate
Support for ProRes intermediate would be a game changer
Totally agree!!! I'm sure Sigma could do it too
What is the defference of compressed raw and lowing down the bit depth?
Now what do you think about the Sony FX30
Fx30 looks great imo. I actually went online to order one but it's £2100 in UK so it's s bit more than I'm willing to spend on it.
I was actually excited about owning a Sony but by the time you've converted the UK price to dollars it's far to expensive.
Funny i just watch that justin phlips video and i thought you covered it, which you did and i posted a comment but here i am again... 3 months later ...it sounds good but im not about petrabytes of storage right now i still with the tools i love, I have the BMP OG it does DNG amd i have the bmpcc4k...so thats where im at ..All the best keep up the good work yours subs can only go up
Mate, it would have been killer with an efficient codec but sigma want us to go hard or go home 😅😅
I was looking at the S5 as an alternative and it seems like a solid option even though it it doesn't shoot raw.
A reputable seller has them for £1100 brand new and I'm very tempted.
Thanks for comment 👍🏾👍🏾
what do you use to edit? resolve?
I’m using Fcpx
Hey, yes I'm using Resolve. I haven't used fcpx in a while but love the features in the new update. The tracking feature is insane.
Sounds to me you are having a hard job convincing yourself this is not the camera for you. I’ve had it since day one and it’s extraordinary. A couple 1TB SSD’s and a simple featherweight clamp and you can shoot all day. One question. How simple was it to hook up your phone to the fp? I’d love to know. Great review after so many negative comments over the past couple of years.
That is partly the problem 😅 I said at the beginning I'm confused but didn't elaborate. The reason I'm confused is because I want it so badly, the money is just sitting there with FP written all over it lol
What kind of stuff do you shoot? Sometimes doing multiple takes can take up a lot of room on my current setup and shooting in this would give me anxiety but the temptation is still strong.
The phone is easy if you have Android. A simple usb capture card with a free app will work on any phone. Try get a 3.0 small capture card from Amazon RRP £13 and you can use it on any camera that has hdmi.
Honestly, the people who gave it bad reviews is quite perplexing. The image coming out of this was really nice when I inspected it closely, the build quality far surpasses anything else in its original price range and it's very stable.
Something's could always be better but that goes for every camera on the market
I'd get the BMPCC 6k instead based on what you described. But then again, BMD hasn't come out with a camera in awhile... I'm also happy with my panasonic S1 and you can get BRAW with the BMD assist monitor.
Yeah I hear that. This is just going on price alone though as both can be bought for very similar money.
Also with the m43 & L mount you have access to so many more lenses....but the 6k is definitely a good option.
Just out of curiosity, where does it put the Fujifilm X-H2S and X-H2 cameras which can shoot BRaw externally?
Hey Charlez, I would love to give my thoughts but I've never used a Fuji so it'd probably just be biased along with a lot of my own personal feelings based on nothing.
If I have to say anything I'd say it sounds fantastic as a combo because Fuji footage looks really nice as it is. Hopefully I'll check one out soon
For SSD solution, you may want to check Darkpower lab
Hi, I saw that on Justin Phillips video....it's beautiful 😁👌🏾👌🏾
9:44 I really wanted to get myself a FP , but with compression I definitely wouldn't be able to afford the storage.
Storage costs would be really high 😅
Well done !
Thanks
Quick question in one of the opening shots you have the FP tethered to your iPhone. What app are you using to view your video on iPhone. Thanks in advance !!!! And this is an awesome video. I own the FP L as well as the Bmpcc4k and I absolutely love them both❤️
Hi, you can use this capture card -
www.amazon.co.uk/03-Adapter-Capture-TYPE-C-Silver/dp/B08QW7BN6D/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=2EO84LEE3UFZS&keywords=usb+c+capture+card&qid=1651016443&sprefix=usbc+capt%2Caps%2C152&sr=8-3
And search for 'nExt Camera -USB' on Google playstore.
This app and card will work with any HDMI camera and most modern android devices.
Thank you for the feedback 😁 I have a question for you. The FP dosen't have and anti aliasing filter which can cause problems in video. I've read that the fp-L does have the filter so it's better imo. Have you noticed any aliasing or moiré in your footage?
Wow so I can record /capture video live with this or is this card just to view what I’m seeing live? And do I need an app to make all this happen. Either way this is awesome thank you so much, I’ve never seen this before, just ssd or external monitor setups!!!!🙌🏾🔥🙌🏾😀
@@willpowermediagroupllc
Hey, yes I've written the app to search for in Google play. There's quite a few usb capture card apps in the playstore but this one is good.
Yes your phone or pc can record what the camera sees. On the phone you'll only get about 1080p but using OBS for something on you pc can get 4k.
Most people use this to just monitor video but there's other apps like CameraFi that can even livestream from your camera.
I did a series on this a long time ago but here's one using the cameraFi app. Skip to about 11:50
ua-cam.com/video/BczzbLwVGeg/v-deo.html
@@willpowermediagroupllc ps, you need a semi decent android phone with usb otg.
You can see if your phone is compatible if you're not sure.
play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.faitaujapon.otg
First test footage colors are 😍
My brother, I missed this comment 😮
7:00 he changes microphones and sounds great
😂😂 my dodgy audio