Fighting Game Tips for Intermediates - Letting Your Opponent Kill Themselves
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- Sometimes, doing nothing is the best course of action! Aris does a pretty good job of explaining how to hit the brakes when your opponent is flailing. Probably no better place to explain this than during a live match.
-- Watch live @ / avoidingthepuddle
Gotta be careful with those stoner Yoshi players. They use 'Killing themself' to their advantage.
True. But standing still from far away while they do it far from you is quite the scene.
You can sit back and watch to win most times. Advised by a yoshimitsu player.
xD
Drag : What are you doing back there?
Yoshi : Oh, I'm just Avoiding The Puddle over here.
I'm a stoner Yoshi player. If you're a lot better than me and we've played enough times, I'll probably give you a free suicide just for fun.
I unplug when I'm about to win to stop myself from having a dopamine rush.
Gotta keep myself in check.
#RealVictories
#AlwaysHungry
#Humble
#DrugFree
@@drenrab3137 The Instagram people archetype
I almost puked in my mouth from all the hashes
*then I actually did*
just a thought here but like I really feel like Aris is a much better teacher than TheMainManSWE. The fact that he teaches these concepts out of nowhere during stream and still manages to word it alot more concisely than MainMan's full fledged tutorial videos is pretty cool. In the end though, we all gotta take whatever knowledge we can get. Then again, just a thought.
Doop™ Aris has more experience and knowledge of the game than TMM. Not downplaying TMM
I do hope he makes his videos more concise in the future though, I usually find myself skipping through his videos when I need some specifics.
You also got to understand that English isn't TMMs first language. I do agree Aris' explanation is alot better. And thank nopants for removing the weed
true true!
MainMan would beat him 3-0 all day tho. Witz Kaz and many other characters
Absolute genius: “how am I losing to this guy- they are provoking you into doing something out of your comfort zone and taking advantage of my poor reaction.” Reverse it and do the same.
im glad he gave this advice its something ive been including in my gameplan but i havent been able to really understand the concept till aris spoke about it. im glad someone is giving out this kind of tech because no one else does they just complain about how everyone sucks but dont give advice.
will help me a lot too
the benefits of the "former rude streamer"
If you're keen you'll notice that Aris himself started playing into his opponent's hands mid way through this video by becoming too aggressive.
20 years of tekken and I was just organically learning this against a mighty ruler in player who MADE me think about the strategy during a long dm of me just getting wrecked. By the end of the session I was trying to make him do stuff cause there was no way I would win if I didn't. Really nice to have it put in words for me so I can continue to learn to effectively control a match up.
That thumbnail... tottaly my face after reading the title
Avoiding the pressure
To make what Aris said even simpler just think of the wake-up Shoryuken Ken's in SF4. That game brought so many new/noobs players in and wake-up Shoryuken/Ultra was the staple go to panic button. If you were patient you could 100% of the time bait out that panic button and either out right win the match or get a huge punish. Sometimes your opponents biggest enemy is himself. While this is very basic knowledge it is extremely important to remind people of it. Fantastic advice without a doubt.
this is a general tip AND the best tip for fighting games dude
good stuff
วรธน สาดแสงจันทร์ Exactly, the basic concept is "Don't overextend, and don't do too much".
I don't play Tekken on high level but i love to listen Aris speaking about all this shit. He's a philosopher of fighting games.
i love this man so much bc he is so shamelessly mad at donators for their dumb messages no one cares about, unlike most streamers who just bullshit like they give af. He's reluctantly let us into his world and he regrets it. God bless him
i even freak out sometimes when poeple are patient and poke especcially after pracicing a mechanic or combo becuae i get focused on trying what i praciced a min ago
It is very important to do this. Space them out and do a long range move once they whiff. I guarantee you will become a better player when you can integrate this into you gameplay.
Kyle Fields *ehem* Noctis hahaha
I really like the crawl that Dragunov does.
I remember playing against a guy who only uses simple pokes with a launcher and minimal combo. He destroyed me, I couldn’t break his defense and he kept moving around and poking here and there, and whiff punishing me ):
sultan ALI i hate those coward bitches, doing nothing, dashing around and try to counter
Umm.... Welcome to Tekken? Where fishing for dumb shit makes you look like a dumb shit
valos507 no need to be an ass. So many people are new to the game, and we’re learning.
+sultan ALI I was replying to Joe Kae
To beat turtles you need to understand your range and use great movement to prevent them from being able to get dmg on you. Don’t do dumb moves and don’t miss, crush opponents pokes when they get frustrated with your own pokes
Definitely happens when you have a more aggressive in play style. Through playing Tekken I have gotten more patience because of this exact concept.
I think you can use this tip when you are pressuring people too, it makes your pressure stronger. People use moves to get it off pressure, use that to bait counterhits.
I've actually learned a lot by not doing anything during a match. I used to be super aggressive, but I've completely changed my play style and have reaped the benefits of it. Beautifully put though lord Aris.
Understanding what position you and your opponent are in: Offensive, Neutral, or Defensive, is paramount.
Wow, the explanation is really good. I always do dumb and unsafe stuff and get launched all the time lol, it's annoying.. I still try to be aggressive, but I shouldn't do any unnecessary moves..
Good advice. I do find myself losing most times when I do more than I should be doing in matches. Whenever I play more poised and patient waiting out my opponent before throwing out something I win more often than not.
6:04 Did he really just scratch his face with his right hand while moving around with his left hand and talk to the chat? Tekken is so second-nature to him.
And then pulls off an air punish and combo straight after. Wow.
@@RJALEXANDER777 im late :( he may not be the best but it feels like he has the game in him, didnt he randomly pick kazuya up and did electrics while watching chat? xD
@@eVuLeX I remember thinking around this time, watching Aris play King (I play King so direct comparison), that he didn't seem a whole lot better than me at the game. But that was only because I was incorrectly focussed on his offense, which is smaller than the tip of the iceberg in this game. Tekken has a colossal wealth of game mechanics and defensive knowledge to learn. And Aris definitely has a grasp of the vast majority of it.
@@RJALEXANDER777 Aris used to be a competitor as well, i believe during Soul Calibur 2 days, he was goated in it
He analyzed his own analysis of fundamentals which were an analysis of this Kazuya's play.
So what your saying is dont throw those d/f2s and quarter circle launchers drag has out of nowhere all the time
Sure, it's a great tip. It trully is. But I feel like you'll end up turtling if you're "waiting for your opponent to kill himself".
For instance, I play Hwoarang, and since Hwoarang is really rushdown oriented, it feels like I'm not using the character properly if I play the waiting game like that. When you watch really high level players, like Asellas (Hwoarang main) he's always pressuring, he's at the opponent's face 90% of the time. Sure, he moves around, he is able to apply this concept from the video in his gameplan sometimes, but it's not really something he is up to that much. And he has success with his play style, he sets the pace of the game. That's a major struggle for me, because when I try to apply the tip from the video, I end up turtling and not really doing something, I feel. But when I try to apply pressure, my options don't really work, they get beaten by dick jabs, or people knocks me out of flamingo stance randomly; then I try to use the flamingo power crush, and people defend and punish... So I'm really lost here. I'm trully between the cross and the sword.
PS: I'm at yellows.
Hey aris I watched a few of your videos and a couple streams while u temporarily played geese. I came across your FG Tip playlist and i’m going to go over them (Just beginner tips for now) thanks I enjoy your youtube uploads.
I'm a Kazuya player, 6th Dan, I know these drills and all the moves, but I always lose for bad players, any tip or advice?
ParcoFolgoreSan try to play more defensively, focus on your punishes , playing kazuya is not easy i feel ya bro
^ Pretty much this. Kazuya has some of the best punishment tools in the game. CD mixups if you need to go on the offensive.
ParcoFolgoreSan hell sweep all day baby
ty man, I guess my problem is punishing, I play kinda moderate between attacking and defending
ParcoFolgoreSan
Don't try to play mind games against mindless players.
Avoiding the puddle.
Of pressure
Thanks Aris ! This helps me confirm what I was thinking recently about my too agressive play style. I always lose against turtles
This is what gets me. You should party less hardy & not push a lot of buttons...but you gotta do something to provoke a reaction. Anything that could inform you about your opponents & keep in mind for future to start forming the basis of your mixups & counter game. Its a tight rope to walk
agreed a good way to provoke and kinda annoy people who Are rushy or do alot is throwing out that 4 kick most characters have that kick and its fast lands pretty often and can get those players to make mistakes because they see u not taking damage and theres slowly chiping away so poking these guys with low risk pokes is good i do it to friends and stuff that 4 kick is really usefull in right hands
this feels as much a life lesson as it is a Tekken lesson.
Pete Ortega to provoke people? Damn you sadistic fuck >:D
joseph harry
You can then sue them for assault.
Get paid to tell your story.
Then write a book about it
*ThinkingManMeme*
Yknow, this didn't make a lot of sense when I first saw the video, but now that I'm at a point where I understand the game a little, it kinda did explain how some people are beating me.
You can't press button if you play kaz bruh
Fear OfSilence shut your mouth
Fallconn2 why? With Kazuya you really need to know what you're doing when you press a button. If you are forced to press one without thinking, the game's kinda lost already :D
Fallconn2 someone is mad noctis came out
Fear OfSilence shhhh
@ནꦎ༩꧞ꦫꦍ yup... Stupid buffs, I want S1 Kazuya back... 😔
Didnt expect to actually learn here.
good stuff aris
Yeah I carried the whole "doing too much" problem with me from when I played more aggressive characters.
Sucks because now I play Claudio and I once in a while catch myself trying too hard to make something happen lol
Great, now everyone will turtle. Incredible news since my offense is quality butthash.
abdul-wahab hawsawi I know the feeling lmao
Man that's solid advice for boxing too
Spoke like a true Tekken Guru
Aris has some of the best conceptual Tekken advice. I miss it.
basically people that know all the frame data how to punish know all the combos can now go on to the next phase of pro tekkie which is what aris is explaining
Great Advice.
whenever I play Tekken and if you talk about me about random things, my mind becomes blank like it's only focusing on the game and then my awesome family judges me, is that bad? is it bad to focus that bad in a Tekken match? Aris is so good, he can lecture us and kickass at the same time 😎🔥💯✔
No that's good don't worry.
Literaly same shit happened with me , Dragunov vs Kazuya and Kazuya beat me cuz he was constantly pressing stuff didint know when to go in literally, but now thanks to this my stupidity might have got cured and I'll be more patient
is there any change with the last update like buffing and nerfing characters?
FasoOoLi Shami nope, not yet
Thanks aris
i dont really understand that concept, but maybe thats because i can barely get to brawler...
The amount of games you can win with Lili by doing nothing but KBD and whiff-punishing with her demoralizing f4 for 23 dmg + a knockdown every time they press a button is enlightening when you make the change from aggression to passivity.
Obviously this goes for any character but the mixup here is people see a Lili and usually expect a party animal. Not one who’s “running away and won’t fight fairly”. Less really is more a lot of the time.
The vid is so true, happened to me yesterday trying side step this steve and he used alot of moves that tracked to the right
Steves moves tend to have really good tracking. You're better off backdashing to create a whiff cuz his range is fairly limited.
My favorite part of slower 2D fighting games like older SF is getting someone to walk themselves into the corner. Training your opponent to back up when you step forward. That's when you know your zoning and footsies game is on point.
How do you use this tactic but also avoid them putting tons of pressure on you? Punishes to make them back off?
NotLuigi that depends on the moves they're using, the moves frame data (neg/pos/0), if they're sidestepping after, if they're dick jabbing after. There's always a hole in pressure
You gotta learn kbd 1st & foremost. That's your primary defensive tool to create an opportunity for a whiff punish.
You have to pay close attention to what your oppnent is doing & know the frames to determine if their pressure is fake or not. There's always a counter to someone's offense
jay kj what's KBD?
Dragikrase KBD = Korean Backdash....sometimes its also called backdash cancelling
These mind games don't work with my friends because they're bad and button mash LUL
Captain Potato this strat is good against people who like to press buttons and leave themselves open, sounds like that perfect strat against you're friends
can't mind game people when they aren't even thinking
Then just bait counterhits all day.
Beat them to the (right) buttons and stop them from mashing. Take the momentum away and their buttons can turn into your ch launchers.
In that case you only need to hit them once to kill them if you know what you're doing, button mashers have never held back in their life
Can someone explain me what happened at 7:08 , how did he perried him?
He didnt. That is what happens if that move hits on counterhit
@@drudru8947 whats the move my man, i need to know! thanks
@@maki2srb9ita if I'm not mistaken I believe its his side step 2 string. You can either follow the 2 with that kick or you can go into another string that ends with a tackle. Haven't played Drag in a long time but you can see him sidestep before the first hit
@@drudru8947 yeah yeah i tried that in the training mode, but i didnt get that animation or whatever ss 1 then 3, thanks anyway
@@maki2srb9ita it has to be set to counterhit, and the kick is the thing that has to counterhits, not the first punch. You can clearly see and hear that before the kick lands the Kazuya player is just starting an electric. Try ki charging, purposely whiffing the first hit and then letting the kick land by itself
nice but its impossible to reach my level
Avoidingthekazuyer
Didn't think i would get any likes for that
But Arisu, being patient is fucking haaard!
Kazuya is more of a defensive character imo anyways
Correct, but that doesn't mean he can't be played offensively. He has the tools for a good offense as well.
I like batman No he really hasn't. You can try tho, won't get you really far against experienced players tho
Kazuya is very good with variety and unpredictability. That provides a good offense. Youre wrong bud
stoner kazuya
I love Aris, hes so sarcastically positive, hes been getting traction on r/LivestreamFails and its always good to see a familiar face
I know Aris hate Street Fighter V, but i wish he could apply this info to an Abigail player.
Assuming you need to be provoked in order to have bad decisions.
All I learnt was Spacing, punishing and poking. Senpai please
Awesome top tips that will making people play fight games alot better go from whatever they level to 3 or 7 level higher iiiii thx aris on that it's hot dog city 😎
Summarized: Be patient!
For the algorithm ase
in other words, dont spam unsafe moves all the time.
This helps
Why does aris talk so low in this video?
jacob gomez trying to play and talk simultaneously is surprisingly difficult for some
Kazuya is extremely hard to win with. Plus this guy is not using his most powerful tool much: electric
addyaustin just because it’s a good move doesn’t mean you can just throw it out when every you want. It can be easily sidestepped and high crushed. Like every move in this game you need to use it at the right time.
Eq_NightGlider_ i am not saying that he should electric blindly all the time. But the problem is, hes not using it ENOUGH. When youre maining a mishima, youre supposed to LOOK for opportunities to electric. It is an excellent pressure tool as well if you use it properly. Just watch how mainmanswe plays with kazuya. I never saw him once do a double crouch dash ewgf to quickly close the gap and catch aris off guard. You need to do mix ups as well. Kazuya has very less tools though and you have to work really hard to get the damage.
Useful...
We love aris
themegadude900 quiet scrub
hearing aris. talking about this made think of how can played jdcr.
he was was pressuring with gaps the whole time waiting for jdcr to do something then react to it.
My 1st time in tekken yesterday i put in 2 rounds vs everyone in ranked... I still lost like everygame... And won once... But just the fact i put in 2 rounds vs a 141 win nocturn... Or whatever his name is... Its funny i kmew everything he was gonna do im just not used to the moves or side step/couch speed... I even told him you're not good... You're To predictable... I only know 3 moves thats why you're beating me... And the spamming low spear crap... Like if i new like 2 more moves id whip the floor with him... One of those where you know whats gonna happen next but you not used to the imputs... Litterally every match if the game did the moves i wanted, id win prefect everytime.....
Original Jokes* are you joking?
1. In ranked you play against people at level similar to you so this 141 wins didn't mean anything.
2. You lost and still wrote him a hatemail saying how he's bad? Also it's obvious that he's bad if he was your rank and you just started.
3. Maybe go learn a character and stop pushing random buttons because it certainly won't male you better.
4. You wouldn't win perfect, you're just bad and need to feel better.
5. I know this comment is 2 years old but I needed to reply because it's commedy gold lol.
I feel like since tekken 6 it' more like whoever pushes the most buttons wins lol.
watch jdcr vs knee legendary match and you'll change your mind. pushing most buttons is low tier 10 dan crap just finally learned a combo that's launch punishable on block.
If your opponent is winning by throwing out random moves, then you're defending wrong.
This is a really bad Kazuya for Juggernaut tho. Is this on PC ? Because my Warrior Kaz on PS4 is like a million times better. This Kaz is just mashing random shit and not punishing at all. Also bad mind games and no electric punishes