Jagex hired RuneScape's biggest cheater
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- Jacmob stands out in RuneScape history as one of the games most controversial moderators. From bot developer to millionaire botting prince, he crashed his kingdom to join Jagex and defeat the very thing he created.
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00:00 - Introduction
02:19 - December 2010: The Birth of RSBuddy
05:47 - January 2011: Powerbots Mistake
07:18 - February 2011: The Powerbot Hijackings
10:06 - Ad break: NordVPN
11:26 - October 2011: The Bot Nuke
16:04 - November 2011: The End of RSBuddy
17:13 - 2012: Mod Jacmob
20:05 - Beyond
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Interesting video. I was the original founder and developer of RSBot (Speljohan), and for various reasons I left RuneScape cheating behind in 2009, not least of which involved Jagex sending a lawyer to my door to sign a Cease & Desist. Since i was only 19 at the time, and didn't have the resources to risk going to court, I signed it and that was that.
The events described in this video took place after my withdrawal, so it's interesting to see how it all played out, nicely done!
Ahh my old boss lol, it’s been ages 😭
I remember being 16 and loading up RSBot just before school started back in 2009. 😂
I call BS. Speljohan was a scammer.
@@joerinaldi207 end game / later on deff but everyone goes thru the highs before the cash out at the end and up at the lows :( memories now brother 😭
@@ShighetariVlogs what was your username? i was an admin back in the day too. this video is shockingly well researched and there's nothing overtly incorrect.
I remember the nuke, it was a ghost town on rs2 after it.
felt like the end of days, scary times for my 14 year old self
Felt like a refreshment. Able to actually play the game and not compete against bots.
@Gaming Legend69 And now, the bots are back anyway.
Glad I could help piece some of the story together for you. :)
Thanks a lot!
Oh great times!
Chilled chill teamspeak forever :)
Ahh that's where the info came from lol -Blackbone
The jacmob smiling in the dark was horrifying lmao. We need another bot nuke on both games
Yh but it's probably not gonna happen until players get angry about it.
Everytime I have mentioned botting on the RuneScape forums everyone jumps on me saying that's it's not that bad.
It was already proven when a youtuber uploaded the market changes after powerbot was closed down and how commonly botted items shot up in value. Some teleports doubled in value.
That is just 1 of many botclients being shut down.
People need to stop being so use to having bots and accepting them being in the game and admitting it's an issue that is ruining the game economy and it's getting worse and the longer until something done the bigger impact it's gonna have.
Jagex arnt going to do anything until people stand up to them. Clearly the current strategy no longer works as the bot protection hasn't been changed in almost 10 years.
It's something they need to update and keep ontop of it rather then release 1 update and leave it for years.
They won't do because it will cost them money and make the games look dead if the player count drops massively. Bots use bonds anyway so it's not like they lay money for there membership.
100% agree
@@LG1ikLx I mean on osrs reddit, there is a post about it every day. Jagex just doesn't give a fk
@@LG1ikLx RS3 early game is pretty much broken due to a lack of bots. Most skills that you could buy (e.g.: Cooking & Herblore) are terrible until you get to the later levels due to how low in supply the low tier fish are due to a lack of bots. Marrentils are freaking expensive especially if you remember that it's required for low level herblore so it gives only a little bit of xp yet it costs you a lot to get.
So sorry no, Bots have their uses & it sucks that early levels in rs3 are now so dumb due to insane prices.
@@LG1ikLx if you can't beat em join em. If you don't want botting to be apart of runescape don't let runescape be apart of your life. There will never be a bot free runescape NEVER.
I love how Jagex consistently throws tantrums when players are outspoken about their bullshit. “I’m taking away your mod status cause you said truths I don’t like 😡”
It works surprisingly well. So many people just fall into the mindset of brand loyalty and are perfectly willing to defend Jagex. Right up until they get screwed over and chewed out.
"I don't much like the tone of your voice"
It had to do with what was said more so then them not liking it. He was effectively encouraging botting, and I'm 99% sure jag was working on the issue when he posted it, it was basically drumming up controversy for no reason AND being employed by them lmao
I always thought the idea of RS hiring the best bot programmer was a really cool idea. After all, who could know better how to handle bots than a person who was making them better than anyone else?
It was one of the few times Jagex made an excellent hiring decision. It is a shame they didn't learn from it and realize that they could never win so-long as the bot makers were just better devs than them.
@@Outwardpd well the thing about that is, they had to disable everything jacmob had implemented because the economy needs botters lol. all of it is still turned off, they dont need their anti cheat team or this or that, all they have to do is turn back on all of Jacmobs stuff and bots will dissapear overnight.
I havnt even watched the video but I wanted to just say; I think it was a really good idea not only because that but I think they may have put in legal conditions that he may not turn on them again without serious reprecussions
They need to hire sir pugger already but they not since he does it for free already😂
Anti-bot Software: "The bots are gone."
Bots running Ed3: "Am I a joke to you?"
original!
am i a hooman?
They could be Venezuelans 🤷♂️
bots are much different now, pixel bots are godlike.
very intersting story, will you ever cover the story of the first private server moparscape that was released. its made history to many fan players back in the day
Pretty sure moparscape was not the first. But it was a popular client back then.
Lol I remember moparscape. Played it a long time ago.
One of the first servers released was called Dodian, classics, also 2speced another good oldie.
@@JxckRS the first ones include winterlove and blakescape dodian came later.
@@aggoserinn Winterlove never went multiplayer though it stayed as a view per player.
Damn, this kid had 1M cash before turning 18.
That's nerding to the right direction.
Glad I'm not the only one. I made it though.
@@Globbs 🧢
@@Globbs press x to doubt
@@chameleonedm To be fair, when i first got my first m , no one believed me, funny because i could have cared less haha, financially free.
@@Haylem yeah no one belived me when i made 69 trillion dollars with 5 cents, i was only .01 seconds old.
Man I miss setting up my bot before school and coming back to 1mil worth of Strung bowstrings
Man me too. Or setting it up overnight at yews or something, waking up and seeing it still chopping.
You put lots of time into these videos and they are always perfect! Thanks for another awesome video!
Another great video, really enjoying this series. Also gz on 120 slayer!
I know it’s not relevant but your sponsor edits are just so fuckin funny *chefs kiss*
Thank you for making this! I remember watching all this unfold, i stopped botting around when the arguments started then I saw the hijacking happen and was so glad I got outta there in time. I still have some old scripts on a backup drive 😂
Thanks for digging deep into this topic.
Also, congratulations on 120 Slayer!!!
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U a bum u ain't do sshiyyyy
gratssssss
Back to Troy, very good
I remember logging in on the first day of free trade, filled with excitement. And there I was, standing at lumbridge castle, with my entire bank (300m+ gp) missing. That day, I learned an important lesson about botting lmao
Wait what happned?
He was running the keylogger software
My old account was caught in the bloodbath of Jagex's bot banning agenda. I got slammed for goldfarming, and I've never done any of that. They wouldn't even let me appeal. Just a perm ban.
Lmao had no idea jacmob was like 16 when he was making those bots, what a talent no wonder he didnt stay at jagex for long
This episode was really cool and interesting I enjoyed it very much, it might actually be my favourite so far. Very well done, a well deserved like. :)
That kiss on the forehead got me speechless.
So nobody gonna talk about how will miss it just upgraded his iconic look into a master slayer cape? Gratz bud :)
Thanks! Might stick to my untrim slayer though. :') Hard to change after all these years
What the fuck is that grammar? I don't even know what you are saying.
@@irelandspacifist6156 technically correct grammar. Also why does it matter so much, that wasn't the point of the comment :s
@@irelandspacifist6156 I understood perfectly, maybe you’re just a little slow.
@@lordzerkia i literally haven't a clue what he was trying to say. so when you say the grammar has no correlation with the context of his statement , it does when i haven't a clue what he is on about
your videos never cease to amaze me, you are literally a God at your craft! Very interesing listen. I was wondering - does this mean Jacomb was only 15-16 during the earlier days of RSBUDDY, like he was RUNNING them? At that Age? Just wondering because he was 18 when he met Mod Mark G.
I bought 20k sharks a few weeks before Bot Nuke Day. I figured there was no way they could drop lower than 220 gp each. I'm still working my way through them all.
"Sharkfin soup for the tenth time this week"
I miss the botting days :( I left iDung pro on 24/7, got me 120 dung.
What really happend
Jagex: Okay kid so you can join my company or i'll sue you for everything you've got :D
Jacmob: Fuc
Seeing other comments about how dead the game looked after the nuke makes me think that jagex wants some of these bots around, to just make the game look alive.
Just reduce number of servers though, whole point of an MMO is people interaction
Very well edited, entertaining, and informative video, good job!!!
I heard snippets of things around the community but never pieced it all together like this.
It's funny how nobody knows that prior to even starting with cheating software, Jacmob was working with Winten, and a few others at Dodian, a now defunct private server based on the winterlove deob, believe he was there until Winten got a cease and desist and shut down Dodian. Can still remember talking to him in IRC about programming and the java language, which inevitably led me into learning to program myself.
I remember I got to meet this guy in a old teamspeak full of a bunch of programmers/stakers/botters. He was pretty chill and basically told us that Jagex started unbanning the bots his software was banning because it was so effective and I guess they were losing a lot of players/revenue.
Yeah, bots that pay membership were probably a large chunk of membership profit.
@@bable6314 they still are, go look in any dragon location in wilderness. You'll find a mix of shit pkers with a few savages sprinkled in and a whole lot of dumbass bots.
Your allowed to use Runelite and OSbuddy for oldschool only.
Rs3 you are NOT allowed to use any 3rd party clients.
Just want to make that clear to everyone
I mean alt1 toolkit is allowed
@@charaxpapyrus That's not a client
True
@@RockBandRS The rules also dont say clients. They say 3rd party software.
But windows is third party software
Can someone fix the violet is blue 2 load screen post setting decorations
This is like movie drama vibes there, I wanna see it!
I was a moderator on the botting website mentioned in the video.
This video is accurate.
Nice.
Except powerbot is the same as rbsot. it was changed.
@@mikew3672 rsbot*
🤔 who you
Discovered your channel from your golden gnome following you around! Enjoyed the video, I miss the MMG days, he was a fun ceo.
That NordVPN add was both creepy & genius! lol
First add I'm happy was forced on me! xD
Was the bot nuke the same as the botany bay thing? Because I remember that; I got a huge flashing screen saying "you've been banned" on my screen. Hundreds, if not thousands, of people got falsely banned.
I am really glad you've got a sponsor omg!
so proud to see you gaining sponsorships! you've come a long way and continue to grow strong ♥
Thanks! :D
If only the english would improve, imagine how much more success would be.
I get tired of listening to the sound of someone struggling against the elastics holding their teeth together..
You did a good job with the nord VPN sponsor in this video. They eyes of the animations when they are straightforward are so dead and creepy. I like it!
Now if only OSRS could keep the bots down i know their systems are good and often updated but when RS is a major part of the Venezuelan economy you know you have a problem and potentially if the UK wants to go to that level of economic sanctions Jagex could get caught up in a major diplomatic issue. And yes I'm talking the entire company losing their business license for indirectly circumventing economic sanctions
@Gaming Legend69 not to mention resource bots also keep several items stable in the OS:GE I've seen mahogany logs drop nearly 300gp each in RS3 but they're levelling out. I do sorta miss the staple pricing of base items (herbs,bones, dhide, etc) but fuck bots
I remember this as a kid lol. How I never got hacked is beyond me 🤷♂️ great video!
You only get hacked if worth hacking, lol 😄
Anyway poeple dont get hack they just poor 🤙
@@elwoodzmake lol not sure how much gp was valued back then but I was hacked for my 350 obby rings and 500K 😂 maybe 800K total. To compare now it felt like losing a twisted bow or Ely
Was hacked back in the day for my 99 hunter loot around 65m...
Iluvbarneythedinosaur is more secure than you'd think
Boss: I want you to get rid of "botting" I keep hearing about"
Dev: Ok Boss we got rid of 98% of the bots
Boss: What the hell did you do! Why isn't a single server over 100 players ??
Love this type of video, Will! 💜
This video popped up in my recommended. U got a new sub my friend.
Me too! Holy sht is this UA-cam algorithm doing it’s job for once?
whos to say theres no a vulnerability somewhere that certain people couldn't use to create something like the login lockout
This is one of the best videos on youtube. thanks for the deep dive into the botting wars. undercovered topic
At 3:10, the person says Paris recieves 1800$+/month for EACH of the ten banners. so thats over 20k $ per month...
i've not played since runescape was new like 20 years ago can i just buy a old school runescape card and play like normal or do i need a regular rs account first?
Just as with the stat rollbacks, there was also a thread made by Jagex on the RS forums, at the time of the Gh0st hijacking, where you could report your name if you had fallen victim of the hijacking spree. :-)
I tested that bot detection software jagex uploaded. By running Powerbot, before, during and after nuke day, on multiple accounts. No bans.
2:28 I walked back in the room at this moment and thought this was a sponsor plug 🤔
I've always been fascinated by the history of bots in Runescape. I discovered recently that I could never do it myself. I just don't have the patience. I've been playing this melvor idle game, which is very heavily based on RuneScape. And I can't stay away from her for more than an hour or two. I have to go and check, I have to go and see what I've accomplished or how many things I've made or how much loot I have
Just in case some didn’t get the Paris back to Troy joke at the end. Paris in Greek mythology is the one who killed Achilles at the battle of Troy in retaliation because Achilles killed his brother Hector.
This style of video gives me big Internet historian vibes and I love it
Thanks :D I'm a huge fan of his hehe
Very good video, also could you make a video about evolution of combat and how it ruined runescape? This is a huge topic, and I bet you can make an amazing video about it.
"Selling Santa for Mint Cake!"
Holy shit.
Wild times...
13:08 this one is ironic as you don't need to sit with the bot allowing you to do whatever. Unlike those actually grinding.
This video is nostalgic
fucking love the add, always skipp those ut this one kept me watching it twice!
That Nord VPN ad was so good!
subbed for the fucking plug for VPN bruh. the smooch got me
I have never seen Chinese players in the game after 2007, it was my childhood "classroom" game, the game that everyone in the class would get involved and being talked about everyday and then hangout in after school.
I love this type of content of what actualöy happend behind the scenes!
This was really interesting, I love stuff like this! Keep it up
25 minutes go by fast watching your vids! Probably my favorite video of you ever since you started focusing more on educational/history vids!
Thank you so much!
Matthew was pretty cool, he was largely involved with a lot of content creators including Bonesaw Bamf. He would frequently come into our teamspeak server and hand out months or even years of free Orion Pro(Osbuddy) to the admins and mods, so I personally basically had free Pro for many years, almost all the way up until Runelite came out. He was quite critical of other clients, most notably Runeloader, but it was more/less just down to their lack of experience and buggy/bad plugins. They never ever intended on stealing data from anyone either, we knew that and continued using it but as they say, it's easier to fool someone than it is to convince someone they've been fooled, take that as you will.
@7:50
Lol just like the TP rush of 2020 and the gas rush of 2021 and the bank rush’s of the past, panic buying or selling just leads to massive losses and people buy or sell things they know don’t even fit their projected gains or losses but they are too panic’d or excited to realize it will all come crashing down or bottoming out somewhere before they realize.
That nordVPN ad looking like it was inspired by a certain historian, Liked it a lot
I used to bot so much most skills where 99. When nuke day came along i paniced but somehlw dident get cought. A month later i got the ban for rwt lol
i remember when i use to just use a runespan bot cause i was bored as and went from like 21 to 81 in not that long of time on my shitty as acer laptop
Shit I took full advantage of the RSbuddy height and botted 5 99s in the Summer of '11 on my main
As an original member of Living Legends In glad to have still remained subbed to Will over the years. Always a pleasure watching his vids. I DO miss his Editing Streams though. :’(
Aww! Maybe we could do an editing stream of the next docu, hehe
@@rswillmissit you better cuz I miss making you laugh your facial expressions are always so wholesome and sobering!
Can you do a video on botany island? Theres nothing on here about it yet. Does anyone else remember when bots got tele’d to an island where you could throw rotten tomatoes at em and i believe pick how they died?
I like how in 4:39 those 2 guys are just playing roblox
That was probably the most beautifully Incorporated ad ever
awesome episode fam good times good memories
i just releazied how many botters there where.. more then 1k players each world, now we are barely at 300 in one world and i thought it was because of death content miniganes like Cwars,... wow came kinda to a schock to me. love the videos you make, a real news story out of it.
Tried botting back in the day as a poor college student. Got hacked for about ~400mil, was super sketchy bc the guy turned on my webcam and watched me as he went through multiple accounts and drained them. Wonder if it was Ghost.
So I'll edit this post as I make corrections.
1. Jacmob was the head client developer for powerbot, not a script maker. Paris didn't even maintain most of the code anymore. It was 99% Jacmob's code.
Honestly came back for another edit but the rest was spot on, great work.
Also fun fact, Jacmob had the bot working hours after the nuke lol. Dude is the smartest person I've ever had the pleasure to meet.
I honestly somewhat miss the bots. I miss playing mini games.
some of the info not 100% but very close :) good video enjoyed.
Jagex taking a page out of Catch Me if You Can's playbook
Great movie though
Your such an exciting person to listen to. Like real talk. You deserve the best little UA-cam community the RS community can provide.
Aw thank you so much!
"Everythings Legal in Germany" - Ouch xD
Even the refugees without documentation.
@Elder74 Except that it’s not unusual for a country to accept asylum seekers.
Except blood in videogames :D
Such a great video, thank you for the information.
World 72 still has shadow reef bots... its annoying theres atleast 9
Was hacked by gh0st back then, crazy how no one talks about it
Fast forward to June 2021 the game is filled with bots still...
Sadly no one talked about Quartz & Timer those are the jacmob of back then
Great content and quailty
I swear jagex lore would be a good tv show.
which one was the one that rigged the contests?
As much as I hate botters I do find it funny that someone claimed they were all no-lifers dispite having to play less than a legitimate player to accomplish the same results.
Thank you as always for the great infotainment! :D
That was awesome, what a well told story :D
10:42 they can still snoop on your data because you paid with your bank account instead of a PRIVACYcoin
Lmao, they forgot about RID. It still worked all the way through and still does.
RID was and is dog shit. 😂
Well put together!
so why are there rampant bots in osrs? i dont believe that itd be that hard to get rid of them if Jagex wanted to
Because the anti-bot system is on rs3, not osrs. Not sure why they haven't implemented it in osrs.
@@RockBandRS subscription, and they realize it will be bad for investors
Because the war on bots never ends they make a nuke and then within a few weeks the bot authors find a way around it
Loving the vids and the quality
Any plans of makeing a documentery of epicbot the client that stole accounts from there users.