yep ! I was once threatened at work by a customer who tried to break the front door, then took a bottle and threatened to do my car, shouting abuse. We called the cops. " Sorry we can't do anything until the crime has been committed." Thanks a lot mr plod.More than that they knew this nutty guy well from previous incidents.
When she saw him at the restaurant she shouldn’t have seen it as a coincidence. She should have seen it as a warning sign and had her guard way up. Problem is we enable this type of character and brush them off as just being weird, but they’re worse. They’re evil.
She was sitting in her car scared because of a crazy stalker but never bothered to lock the car doors or remain aware of her surroundings. I don't think she was taking the situation seriously enough. In a world full of predators it's a bad idea to act like prey.
@@roselikethewine She basically told him where she was going to be through the selfie with the caption of the restaurant and timeframe. Later on it's also mentioned that her friends could see her location via instagram location or something. Giving away that information while also dealing with a crazy stalker is not safe. It's like cliché teen horror movie mistakes - it's abhorrent what happened to her, but she basically walked right into it by giving the stalker opportunities he shouldn't have had.
@@DT5913 When we're born we know absolutely nothing. So I blame the parents and schools and TV because they teach us everything to become obedient little workers but almost nothing on how to actually survive in life. The dangers multiply everyday around us but we're conditioned to ignore our own instinct and rely on authorities to be guardian angels. And in school they'd prefer to teach pronouns instead of how to identify threats.
@@section7173 she didn’t. He contacted someone he used to date through tender and got her to follow Molly on all social media cuz he was blocked from her accounts. Yeah she should have been more guarded, like I said, but she was only 23. Still pretty young and definitely naive…
When was stalking taken seriously? I think at Least ten years go they were passing laws for stalking but some forms don’t help such as restraining orders after Restraining orders being violated but the law won’t enforce it
I can’t stress this enough ALWAYS ALWAYS LOCK YOUR CAR AS SOON AS YOU ARE IN IT. It might just save your life. I one night had 2 men lunge at my car as soon as they saw me open it I never locked myself in and turned on my car so fast. Now Because of that I literally feel like I’m being followed my anxiety level has me running to my car like someone’s chasing me. I don’t feel safe until I’m locked in.
Honestly, I’ve heard enough of these horror stories that if someone was stalking me like that, forget the cops. I’m handling it myself and I’d just take my chances with the legal system . I’d rather go to prison than the funeral home and there’s no way I’m ending up a statistic to some nut case Didn’t expect this comment to generate so much discussion but since it did a number of you have mentioned the unavailability of handguns in the UK which I’m quite aware of but your missing the main point of my post. My point is that I WILL NOT put my fate in the hands of law enforcement and just HOPE that they actually take my dilemma seriously. Even if they do they can’t give me around the clock protection so I’m not going to live in fear of some psycho. I’m going to use whatever means is necessary to end the threat with or without the police and live with the consequences. I also want to make it clear that this is in no way a criticism of this poor young lady who was murdered.
He did get life. The 20 years is the minimum he has to serve before being considered for parole, of which there is no guarantee. Besides, he'll be on life licence upon release, if he ever is released.
26 years?? That’s it?? This poor girl was tortured, and all he gets is 26 years?? That seems like an injustice to me. Edit: Thank you all for having a conversation about this topic! Everyone’s opinion is valid to them and I’m just happy that we can all talk about this and learn from each other!! 💗
Justice was not served here whatsoever! The psycho deserved life imprisonment without any possibility of parole. So sad a beautiful young life was taken. Heartfelt condolences to Molly's family and friends.
Personally, I think Casual Criminalist is the best at it. There aren't many that show any respect for victims, those are the only channels I subscribe to for this content though. All 3 or 4 of 'em...
Yes this is my first visit here, and i noticed the same. Appreciate the gesture, no matter how little it may be. It means a lot. Kind of paradox but ya
They need an exploding collar that will only go off if they get too close to the other person. That way the predator becomes the prey and will need to relocate far away to avoid losing their head.
@@JesusChristIsComeInTheFlesh Restraining orders don't do much, and in public places excuses are easier to use and get away with if the police intervene. If the person considers murder then an extra month of jail for breaking a restraining order doesn't matter that much. Basically the police won't do much until the crime has been committed, technically and legally they are powerless. Yet if you even poke a police officer you're on the ground facing possible prison time.
It’s odd that this was never touched upon again in the video. I’d be curious to know how this person was dealt with. I have only an interest criminal law procedures and criminal psychology but from what I’ve gathered, wouldn’t this be akin to accessory to murder? “Akin” meaning I’m curious to know if there is a lesser charge to accessory to murder (as you’d need to be actively, not passively, involved in the murder itself)? It’s also odd to me that this person is obviously legally protected in some way since the tinder date’s identity is not revealed. This could be for two reasons: they’ve been cleared of any wrongdoing and are therefore being protected from the public and Joshua himself; or legal proceedings are still underway to determine the extent to which this person is culpable. In any case, whether they knew what Joshua was capable of or not, [edit] or if they’d been manipulated, it’s still a pretty spineless and perplexing act. It seems the only accountability this person faces is the few that actually know what their actions have resulted in.
It said she was mislead. Let's not take blame away from who it actually belongs to. Suggesting she knew his motives or real reasoning is to suggest any of the other girls who dated him should've also known.
Who knows the reasoning he gave her. It was stated she was misled. What she did is basically no different than him making a fake profile himself to keep tabs. Instead he made her do the dirty work unknowingly. I've had friends add other people online to keep my name from popping up for different reasons. So personally I disagree. Now on the flip side I can say it's weird she didn't feel off about doing it considering this is a guy she literally just met of Tinder and he's basically getting her to watch another girl for him but like I said who knows the reasoning he gave her in her mind it could have made sense
@@jenpounce154 naw, misled or not, she knew she was helping him keep tabs and get info on this girl. She should have known better. She's just as guilty for stalking as he is.
This is horrible!!! I'm in a relationship where she's given me signs she might want to leave me soon. I've prepared myself for the sadness I'll have from it, but it'd never cross my mind to prepare to harm her. This is such a bizarre world
i've ended relationships and i've been dumped as well.. at the end all of my partners have become great friends over the years... always end things gracefully.
I'm only 2 minutes in and OMG....what on earth is with Tinder!? So many true crime stories seem to start on Tinder. I'll pass thanks. I'd rather be single and alive.
Online dating. What do people really expect? These people have to date online because they are the lowest on the totem pole. They suck at connecting with people. That's why they have to do it online and not in person. People who resort to these apps are often screwed up.
Hi would you like to Tinder with me ? ha ha only joking...we can meet in a dark place so we can get to know each other ??....ha ha.Actually that is how people used to meet, quiet candle lit dinners. All gone now. No more joking . Even brightly lit public places are not safe, read the story of Grace Millane.
26 years for a premeditated first degree murder ?? And people from England have the audacity to talk about the American Justice system. In any state in America that’s life in prison
Verbal threats need to be taken more seriously by all judicial systems. This "we have to wait until they act" crap is just that-----CRAP!!!! And only 26 years? That's an effing joke!
yep ! I was once threatened at work by a customer who tried to break the front door, then took a bottle and threatened to do my car, shouting abuse. We called the cops. " Sorry we can't do anything until the crime has been committed." Thanks a lot mr plod.More than that they knew this nutty guy well from previous incidents.
Also, for some unfathomable reasons, they treat these criminals at par with the victims. I know everyone is supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law, but this is a clear case of an innocent young girl minding her own life, being threatened by this monster who wouldnt leave her alone. Please dont treat them as equals 🙏
"'Listen, Buster, you better leave this girl alone, or else!' OK, ma'am, that should do it. He learned his lesson, I'm sure he won't bother you again."
This is so sad to watch. How can one do that to another human? 75 stab wounds!?! This makes me sick! It’s sad that our world has so much evil. Condolences to the family and friends. Rip Molly, you didn’t deserve that ❤
Wow she literally had to lose her life for the police to FINALLY do something about stalking. Why in the hell do they wait for someone to lose their life?!?!
@@nickg9639 srsly? The Police is BOUND to the justice System and Laws. Change the LAWS and Cops can do something about stalking. Same with going 5 miles over speed or plant matter. LAWS! FFS stop blaming the Police for you inanbility to abide by laws.
@@FionavanDahl I don't think he was saying that at all. I think he was just using a word to refer to the opposite sex. You're either male or female. Plus aren't we evolved primates?
Dear Good! The face of her dad. He died with her too. Her mum is also just a shadow of herself. What a tragedy! I feel so sorry for the whole family and of course for her. Why are there such psychos out there?
Happens to any parent that loses a child, my parents are shells of their former selves, they put on brave faces, but that's just how it is. My sister was 28 when she died.
When you look at Molly's pictures and see her eyes you can tell she had a sweet and kind soul, when you look at Joshua on the other hand, you can tell there's something fundamentally wrong with him, his awkward smile and his eyes full of emptiness and wickedness scream danger.
I know that this sounds crazy, but if you ever have a severe stalker like that, pack your bags and "disappear" for a while. Start planning before it gets suffocating and out of hand. You might lose your job and lots if money, but that's nothing compared to losing your precious life at the hand of a madman/woman Stay safe out there!!
Having read about and watched videos about many cases like this, I think your advice is the best way of dealing with stalking. The victim has to say nothing but quietly plan to just vanish. Once a person like that gets it into their head that you can't be allowed to leave them, there's really no preventing them.
@@mol1210 I disagree. As a domestic abuse and stalking survivor myself, none of that works unless you go to a safe house. Which a lot of people don't have the option for. Most abusers/stalkers will find you no matter where you go. People have moved across the country and their abuser/stalkers still find them. The best thing to do is arm yourself and shoot them in the face as soon as the make one wrong move. Keep a paper trail with the cops, even if they don't help you. The paper trail can be used to support your self defense claim.
Bad parenting. Teach your kids to take rejections normally, dont overpamper them to the extent that they start thinking nobody has the right to reject them.
I watch these types of videos often, it was very nice to see you pay respects to the victim and her family before you started the video. It’s so appropriate and kind, and I’m shocked I’ve never noticed that other channels DONT do this.
@@measlesplease1266 that's is the single most saddest and most unhelpful comment I have ever read in my life. I guess if someone robs you we should agree to do nothing to help you because you should have just been smarter and not have stuff to steal.
If you meet someone with really low self esteem and a lot of insecurities like this guy, you should take that as a huge red flag. Also, their emotions escalate fast. They will put on the biggest act to try to make you love then. They pretend to be your perfect, ideal partner. They may even study what you like, so they can try to become that. But the facade breaks inevitably. They can’t keep the act up forever. Someone that cares about you or loves you wants to see you happy, not own you, keep you on a short leash, and make you miserable. Guys like this are narcissistic creeps. Narcissists do not actually have an over-inflated self esteem, they always feel like they aren’t good enough (not perfect), but they’re terrified that you may see that, so they put on an act and instead of fixing their self, they try to manipulate other’s opinion of them. It’s lame and pathetic. They take no responsibility for their own bad behavior and would rather blame you for their words and actions. People like this DO NOT get better. You need to leave them because it only gets worse. But don’t just leave them, go no contact. If they try to force themselves into your life, get a restraining order. Or a protective order if you need one active asap. This is serious. These people are very sick and they have no clue how sick they are. They just can’t register that what they’re doing is wrong. They know the behavior is wrong only if it’s done against them. They are full of double standards.
I've got insecurities, maybe not low self esteem to this degree, and not bipolar, but I cannot understand the desire to hurt or control people. If someone wants to leave, I wish them well and walk them out the door.
There are plenty of good men and women who are decent people. The trick is not to ignore all the red flags and don't choose partners based on looks or because they're tall bad boys.
@@anhedonianepiphany5588 unless changes no !!!!!/ I plan on staying single though with someone or not or anyone no more ignoring red flags!!!!! etc......
My ex stalked me without me being aware of what he was doing, until he pulled up in the Walmart parking lot next to my car. I had a no contact order on him. It's been 22 years, and I'm always afraid to leave my apartment, and I always have to look over shoulder. Police say there's nothing they can do if he hasn't physically harmed me SMH.
I'm sorry, what kind of false reasons could this guy have POSSIBLY fed that woman to make her agree to friend Molly across all platforms specifically to give info to a guy she went on ONE date with?
She’s an oddball, I do wonder what is the reason? He’s his long lost estranged sister? What did she do let him have her account or fed him every detail? I find it highly off she didn’t once question his motive. He must of been her side piece for her to get nothing from it. And it’s her whole routine, the bar she would visit that one day. Then the specific gym. At what point does she not question his motive ?!
Believe it or no, you've got some male identified women who will do treacherous and slimy things to other women for men. I know from personal experience. I've had women that I consider good friends all the way down to women I knew in passing,, try and get information on me for the men. And the women & I weren't fighting or on bad terms or anything. They call it being "male identified" but I don't know enough about that to comment on it. But yeah, iti does happen.
I agree that is a very strange part of the story. It is a very weird request and the fact that she hardly knew him makes it even more unfathomable. Why did she do it?
hahaha you believe that? you must think women are dumb. she knew what she was getting into and because her dad didnt love her enough so she loves psycho murderous men :(. some people actually walk into the bears mouth and then expect sympathy.
Besides the fact of obvious narcissism or socio/psychopathy, I think there is something about all humans where - when we aren't in a perfectly suited relationship - power dynamics begin to emerge. It is so easy to throw out humans and say they are just bad, but I think there is so much more to the problem that just blanket evilness. Humans are such amazingly loving creatures but we also have the potential for such hatred and harm, and I think reconciling this polarity is part of what it makes life worth living.
The telling of the story was done very well. I had seen this story reported on UA-cam in a video previously and this particular video did much more justice to Molly and her experience than the previous video I watched. Thank you for covering this and giving a voice to victims of stalking. I truly hope that more and more men of this disgusting caliber will fear to act predatorial towards women online and in person. You ARE being watched. You're actions WILL be judged!
Molly was a brave woman for going up to Joshua and talking to him at the gym. When I dealt with my stalker, my response was to leave the moment I saw him. It sucked that I had change my routine and lifestyle because of him but it was better than running into him all the time.
Yes I agree! But I'm very shocked he only got 26years, he should not be allowed out! He will do this stalking again and again and murder again! So sad for poor woman that have died at the hands of these evil wicked monsters!
@Reinhard von Lohengramm you in the wrong family then. Some families still got warriors In the blood line. It’s better than “girl friends” who literally didn’t do anything
@Reinhard von Lohengramm This comment is clearly based off anecdotal evidence and your personal confirmation bias. Please do not hesitate reach out to your friends and family as well as the police!
Good advise. Exhaust all means possible. My case I ask bro to help assess the person for me. It also helps to make it a habit to tell your mom, sis, or friends where you are or where you're going. Sis and I tried a tracker before. Dad even tells us to carry some form of weapon coz you just never know these days.
Been single for many years now, sometimes I like all the peace I get, sometimes it drives me crazy... just trying to be content with what the universe gives me
When she left the gym and got into her car, and he was making his way to her, I kept telling myself "Please lock the car, lock it!" 😔 She must have been terrified when she saw him opening the passenger door with a knife in hand.
My sister has been being stalked by her ex for 5 years and police have been no help. She bought a house and moved to a gated community last week. It scares me what his reaction will be when he realises she’s out of reach now.
@@edwardbellingham3509 You find this funny do you. Having a laugh at my sisters expense Edward? He can no longer sit outside her house or drive past incessantly is what I meant. Good to see your on the stalkers side. Probably one yourself by your reaction.
She isn’t out of reach! She needs to be out practicing her aim! Women need and should be able to defend themselves with an equalizer…S&W is the only one I know of..you?
@@felicitycarter8120 he wasn’t laughing at the situation but at your naive assumption she is now “out of reach” because of a gated community! I pray to God you are right but take it from someone who has lived through it…teach her how to shoot, if you can!
This type of dude send chills up my spine…I am so thankful for my healthy marriage and for my parents displaying healthy relations among married people . I will definitely watch this with my teenage daughters. Thank you for posting this video! Great educational tool for parents with young daughters launching into the dating scene.
Just as a side note Lady Andrews, men are not the only ones who stalk. There are female stalkers as well. Females on men who don't reciprocate their affections. Females to their competition. I don't think female stalkers are as prevalent but they do exist.
@@dricka49221 I totally agree. I think this video is great because it opens the door to conversations about inappropriate behavior, red flags, safety, and relationships in general. As we know teens don’t often listen to their parents but I feel that being able to talk about dating safely is so important, even adults can benefit from healthy discussions about what happened in this story.
@@ladyandrews9371 So very true Lady Andrews The more we talk about these kinds of incidents and how to prevent them, how to be aware that people like this exist, the more people that will become safer. I am not naive, I know that we will never get to 100%, we may not even get close to that, I am not sure, but every person we can prevent from having to go through this, is worth every moment/second we spend trying to educate and prevent it. An ounce for prevention is worth 10 POUNDS of the cure!
This case makes me so angry every time I hear about it. This poor girl deserved so much and the loser reminds me of my ex. Really makes me uncomfortable seeing the similarities between him and my ex...makes me wonder if this could have been me. My heart breaks for her and her family.
It does to me too. Had brakes cut. Was sent inappropriate things in the mail. Stalked me every where I went. Stole from my home, I finally had to move out. Left my stuff in storage to just walk away. Police did nothing
@wanda hughes thank you. It honestly means a lot to hear that. It's just really sad that not everyone can get away even if they try their hardest like this young lady :(
I love that this channel always sends out condolences to the family of the victims. Often people forget about the victims in a case once the case goes to court, all the attention goes to the murderer! Let’s not forget the victims in these cases! ❤💖
People need to stop over sharing on social media. It's so easy to follow others, literally..... There's too many sick people. I feel for her family and hope they get some sort of healings 🌺.
Exactly! Share that type of info with someone you're accountable to only, but the whole world doesn't need to know your whereabouts. My ex was murdered in his own home after his lover tracked the person he was cheating with...right to his own home. Exes also know your routine, so you have to change it up when breaking up with them.
I've asked men that are good looking if they've been stalked. They get stalked too....a lot..I'm surprised to hear the same stuff us women go through. I do notice very open the woman is striking or very attractive
I feel for all those woman, especially Molly. I had a stalker, he had bipolar. Everytime I'd let him down easy by telling him to please leave me alone, he would just insult me and talk about how he'd murder me in aggressive ways. He was stalking me on and off for 8 months total. Everytime I thought it was over, he'd randomly message me threats and how he seen me somewhere or how he seen me getting my mail and carrying my mother up the steps. Mind you, it was only a one time encounter. I was only 19, I'm 21 now, and I was so scared. This is why I'm thinking about carrying and learning to not stand down when someone is making me uncomfortable and to be as aggressive as possible or as aggressive as them. The more submissive and allowing you are, the more they do.
@yeah. If you're only 21 you definitely need one. Go to a shooting range they can walk you through purchases, train you , and most of them have guns you can use until you decide what you want. Good luck.
@@tvc65 Amen. The world is crazy now, as women we are required to defend ourselves and our loved ones everyday. As a retail worker, I extend that to any decent person in my environment. However, I'm not a criminal, I live in a Constitutional carry state, don't tread on me. I won't die for a criminal.
@@RicheeBe it's duality to people , you know... You can be crazy and have bipolar. Not to mention, mental illness can fuel you to do things you wouldn't if you didn't have a chemical inbalance or behavioral problem. It's more prone with people with mental health issues. I have depression, I know it's a lot of crazy people with it that do bad things to themselves and others.
RIP Molly. The final words at the end are touching and show her positivity and beautiful soul. They resonate deeply with me and I hope her family and friends have found some peace.
People always use illnesses to gain sympathy and attention, I learned that as a teenager and constantly get confirmation. More than ever, people think it’s cool to be “victim” and get SO UPSET when you do not play along.
Always in a parking lot, above ground or below, I am hyper alert about my environment and always lock my door as soon as I get in. Sad that women have to protect themselves from men.
And permanently delete all social media accounts on snapchat, instagram, facebook etc. Don't use dating apps. Keep a low profile. Hang out in the real world.
When Molly saw him at the restaurant she shouldn’t have seen it as a coincidence. She should have seen it as a warning sign and had her guard way up. Problem is we enable this type of character and brush them off as just being “weird,” but they’re far worse... They’re pure evil.
@@jenniferwellman5311 she didn't blame the victim at all - she is stating that woman brush things off when we should trust our feelings. You know she wasn't blaming the victim, so stop it.
To think if police had logged prior incidents properly it had the potential to save Molly sooner!! Patterns of ongoing behaviour would have shown how dangerous and sick this ‘man’ really is. Harassment needs to be taken more seriously!!
My daughter is only 8 years old and stories like this makes me realize she could never be completely safe at any age. Such a sad story. My condolences to this family
It is do sad. This beautiful, young lady is unalive because of a psycho. Protect your daughter at all cost. My son is 33, I never stop worrying about it. He lives with me. Whenever he is leaving the house I ask him where he is going and when will he be coming home. I don't care if he get annoyed. Children will learn the fear when they have their own children.
That poor girl 😢 The police don't seem to think stalking is that serious, even now. My best friend has been stalked by an obviously mentally ill woman from Texas, but she lives in New York, for almost 2 years now. Trying to get anything done has been a nightmare for her. She's been swatted, CPS was called, food deliveries, you name it. Internet stalking is something that also needs to be addressed. Why the police don't take it seriously is infuriating. I hope her family has been able to find happiness in their memories of Molly. Hers was a life that ended much too early and for no reason.
They started taking it seriously until people started saying everything was stalking, like commenting on a post, walking down the street looking at someone just once, a man making a compliment, etc. Women making a big deal over nothing is what happened and now it's come full circle.
You can bet that if my daughter called and told me their freak ex was in the gym with them I would have been right over there to see her safely home. It is not the parent's or friend's fault this happened, but dang, just going over there could have saved her. Such a shame.
I was thinking the same thing. Her fate was harrowing though. If it wasn’t that day in the parking lot, if would’ve been another day elsewhere. It’s too late for this, but I wish she carried a hand gun. What a sweet person with so much to live for, got mixed up with this animal psychopath. Life just isn’t fair.
The parents should have been there knowing the situation why in the world would they think it’s okay to not be their for your daughter especially protect her from harms way
So many similarities between this guy and my ex husband. There were no stalking laws back then and so there was little help for me after I put him out with a restraining order. He did get a life sentence for what he ended up eventually doing to me but because he was so self confident that no jury would convict him so he refused a plea bargain. He was paroled only a few years ago after serving 30 yrs. From the parole transcripts, the things he says tell me he hasn’t changed. I’m lucky to be alive
Happy you're alive too ... Please don't answer if it brings back bad memories, but I've always wondered ... How did it feel after he was released, and are you still scared, or has enough time passed?
@@topspot4834 I always been jumpy since this all happened. when someone walks up behind or beside me I jump. But now I think it is more so. It’s strange because now I’m so much older and different but at the Same time it seems like yesterday. How about you?
Had she only just locked the car doors when she got in…I mean. That literally would have been the first thing I did. It’s the first thing I do, especially when I’m out and about alone. I hit that lock button so fast. This is so sad. He is a straight up psycho and needs to be locked up for the rest of his pathetic life.
locked cars won't stop bullets, but you are right, she would maybe still be alive if she had locked her doors immediately and gotten out of the parking lot.
We have a lot of that in the USA, and it started when our culture started cutting infant boys. Before that horrible practice became a thing, the USA was far from violent.
What's worse is people like this aren't rare. There are men and women who are just as crazy as him. They just happen to not reach the level of murder. Hell, I dated a man like this. I still physically cringe at the words "you made me do this". Even my husband has been with someone like this. Luckily, when I broke it off with the guy, my dad made a threat on his life after he made a threat on mine and considering my dad is a large man with connections to the police, it was enough to put his tail between his legs and leave me alone. What he didn't know at the time was my dad is also a teddy bear and would never hurt a soul, but it's a good thing he didn't realize that. I swear, some people are just psychotic.
I’ve been with this type of guy; after 9 years I was almost totally drained of all life, I tried to leave, and almost was beaten to death with a wine bottle; took 11 years to try and find someone again. Any of us who been there prolly know that sick stomach feeling that it coulda been you when you watch things like this.
I am trying to get out of my 35 year marriage.. 35 years of emotional, financial, physical and child abuse... I am drained of my life and can barely do anything. He sucked the life out of me and my health.. He is now financially abusing me so that I cant leave and trying to turn some of my kids against me.. I spend each day taking my pain meds and anxiety meds sometimes a little too much but I hate him and want to get away from him. No I am not suicidal and am not trying to overdose ( i am just trying to stay numb)... Hopefully one day soon I will be able to get away..❤
same .. i moved to another state for ten years . he even came there looking for me thank god never found me he even broke into my voicemail and left a horrible disgusting greeting likr 5 yrs into my freedom i seen him at a station getting gas some girl smiling in his face not knowing she’s his next victim . i was like 😳 and jumped in my car so fast i accidentally stole the squeegee
Wow.... Same except the wine bottle. 9 years for me too. Still single and not likely to change that anytime soon. So sorry you can relate. I feel so blessed that I escaped this kind of relationship with my life.
How can someone go to the police, say a person is following, threatening, stalking you and police’s response is oh tell him to not contact you again. Yes sir thanks.
I watched another video on this case that went into gruesome detail about the actual murder, and it was so, so horrific. I think about her whenever I get into my car and it's bc of her murder I lock my door immediately after getting inside my car. My heart breaks for what Molly went through bc of that pos. I hope her family are doing as okay as they can be
This is terrifying. I started studying at university of kent in 2017 and am still there. I can recognise places just from these photos. I even had mental health treatment at the same place joshua had, a few months apart 👀
Tragic and sad but a good reminder to NOT put your details and info about your comings and goings on your social media platforms - and especially if you're in the habit of accepting friendships from people you don't know, as this woman did.
The poem at the end is heartbreaking. If something like this stalking is happening to you please do something and speak to someone. Make sure you are heard.
To lose a child is horrible,to have them taken away and in such heartless manner is just heartbreaking,may she rest in peace. I hope her family finds peace too
This almost made me cry... if anyone ever tells you they're in an uncomfortable situation like that, go to them, don't tell them to leave alone, it's too vulnerable and if you can't go, have the police take/escort them home. Rest in peace Molly, you were a beautiful girl and you deserved better than this man 💔
I agree. A good friend would say wait by reception I'm coming to get you. Especially knowing this guy is unhinged she should not have been going about alone.
@@2bsure I'm sure her friend was a good friend, but maybe uneducated about these situations. Lots of people would tell a person to leave, not realizing it could endanger them
@@LilStitchy1 No, he was a full grown man with mental health issues. Men commit these violent crimes against women all the time, not boys, this was an adult in every sense of the word.
@@chelseasmith1426 that's funny because I am actually seeing kids ages 10-15 on the news fairly often for committing crimes like murdering their families over technology and going out and committing mass murder. A number of these kids have stabbed people to death and kept stabbing in a clear case pf over kill. And they too have mental illnesses. So yes, he behaved like a boy with severe mental illness. I'm not saying he shouldn't receive the death penalty for what he did. He should absolutely get the death penalty for it. But his brain was traumatized as a child and studies have shown that children who experience trauma like that will have development delays such as the hypersensitivity to rejection. To be clear I am not in any way saying it was the victim's fault. She rejected him for good reason and it was the right thing to do. And with the trauma he suffered there really isn't any way to fix it because he's already a very low functioning psychopath.
It doesn’t sound like he had a bipolar disorder. He is more narcissitic than anything maybe alittle bit or sociopath but red flags were ignored on her part. Always trust your gut!!!
I agree. Narcissistic personality disorder, for sure. I dated a guy before who, I am pretty sure, had that disorder and he was always lying and manipulating me and gaslighting me! Was very awful.
the countless amount of cases i’ve heard where everything could have been prevented if police took stalking, harassment and male violence seriously. countless women lose their lives to men like this. to preventable crimes. it’s always only when it’s too late that something gets done.
Women wouldn’t have to worry about that, if we did not introduce violence to baby boys, as soon as they are born in the USA. Do research, that stuff messes with the baby’s brains, even if they don’t remember it.
Or maybe we teach men not to murder and attack women? No we have to be on alert, can't even trust the police not to do it. We have to learn self defence.
Please be safe. Don’t put your every move online EVER I’m so sorry this happened. She overcame and conquered something so very difficult, she was strong & beautiful. I’m just so very sorry
@@LoveBird-o8m The required and only sentence for murder in the UK is 'life imprisonment'. This means the sentence is imposed for the whole of the rest of your life. But, for example, people sentenced to, say, 20 years for a serious offence, will rarely serve the full 20 years in prison. They may be released earlier on good behaviour grounds and if considered suitable for early release. But they will remain 'on licence' for the remainder of the 20 years, and under a variety of requirements e.g. being tagged and curfewed, working with probation services, reporting in regularly to police, staying away from named places, staying away from named people, having regular drug testing, possibly having restrictions around use of electronic devices and social media - if child pornography offences, etc). Any breaches of licence conditions would likely result in a recall to prison. With life sentences, the judge is required to set the minimum tariff - in this case 26 years - before an offender may even be considered for release. But release could only happen if the court, after considering psychiatric reports, prison behaviour reports etc, was confident the offender was suitable for release. If it was felt they remained a threat to society they would not be released. Again, if they were released, this does not mean the end of their sentence; they would be on licence for the rest of their life, including the sorts of licence conditions previously described. They could be recalled to prison for any breach of licence conditions. The person in this video will, whatever happens, remain in prison until he is at least 50 years old. He may never be released, if never assessed as being fit for release. There is an exception, which is a 'whole life tariff', which applies to cases of the very highest level of seriousness, where offenders will never be released from prison.
@@vlimavlima44nope there is no early release for murder and there is no release at all for 1st degree murder. It's just that he gets 10 minutes every decade to prove he isn't a danger anymore, but they don't grant parole for planned murders (at least as long as they are able to hold a weapon)
Beautifully done with her thoughts at the end and the dying rose. It is unbelievably difficult to hold hope in your heart when others hunt that out to kill it. I truly wish the police had recorded the first woman’s account and had taken it seriously. None of us would know Molly’s name this way, and her incredible light would still be here fighting the darkness. 💔
I know they were right in the end anyway, but it's really depressing that people will assume you're a huge red flag if you aren't talkative and don't really have friends. Some people are shy and have a hard time making friends, don't assume all of them are terrible people.
I like to think that however shy you are, you would have a friend or two. I also think that, that fact alone wasn't why they thought he was weird but rather a combination with others too such like leaving his job to be with her, turning up uninvited, demanding her undivided attention. People don't do that normally.
The shy, quiet part isn't the problem. The problem is demanding your partner not be their confident, outgoing self and instead mimick that isolating behavior
Yeah that's definitely a huge assumption. I don't have a lot of " friends " either, but it definitely isn't from a lack of trying. It's more so understanding if the friend benefits you in anyway. If the friend is always negative then they aren't worth having in your life.
Si la police avait bien fait son travail avant, Molly serait toujours en vie...😪 C était un vrai pervers narcissique 😡 Paix à son âme 🙏❤🌹 Et toutes mes condoléances à ses parents ❤
Why does the justice system in England and the UK think that such short sentences are punishment enough for people like this?? Then when he gets out they will give him a new identity. It just puts all women at risk. It's ridiculous.
Thats Bollocks, its a minimum of 26 years ,the Narrators fault, the new identity bit is Bollocks also., even Child Killers dont get new identities if there ever released at all.
Nothing to do with the justice system.... They can't be with people in gyms and bars 24/7 If they did, then they wouldn't get any work done. We need to stop putting accountability on the police, they are not nannies of the state..... Social media is the demon, the girl knew she was exposed and going tp a local gym alone then confronting him and taking pictures to post to friends, was irresponsible. People need to stop posting their lives online, sure, everyone is entitled to do what they want with their life, but to be honest, knowing he was a Psycho and literally admitting it vocally and in messages to friends should have been enough of a red flag for her to at least go offline for a while. He was bipolar, mentally ill, and antagonised.... She is not to blame for her death or circumstances, but we all have a responsibility to take heed, and take precautions for our own welfare.. Molly was literally naive, displaying her whole world online k owing he was envious of her, and it was all done constantly right under his nose. She should never have been alone, or felt so comfortable to have been. She should never have been within even one radius of him, but it seems she was...... Sadly, the maniac found an opportunity to take her life, but I wonder if she had taken different steps to avoid him, and not post every miniscule detail of her daily life so he could trackher every move, would things have truly been different....who knows!!
I’ve known narcissists and he’s one for sure! Their biggest advantage is a highly empathetic person who’s Ignorant of narcissistic manipulation. Intimate relationships are where they generally get A grade narcissistic supply. Molly must’ve been A grade supply for him to be motivated enough to kill her.
This is eerily similar to the Alice Riggles case, where a girl in England was being stalked physically and online by her ex-boyfriend, and eventually he came to her house and stabbed her to death.
“This man is stalking me can you do something?”
“No ma’am he hasn’t killed you yet”
yep ! I was once threatened at work by a customer who tried to break the front door, then took a bottle and threatened to do my car, shouting abuse. We called the cops. " Sorry we can't do anything until the crime has been committed." Thanks a lot mr plod.More than that they knew this nutty guy well from previous incidents.
@@bikecontroller3268 I’m so sorry to hear that. Makes absolutely no sense. The legal system needs to learn to be PROACTIVE not REACTIVE.
This is exactly what they mean. After someone has been killed, they are like "oh shucks, sorry"
That's how it goes. Someone literally has to die or come close to it.
😔😔😔
She was so close from getting away from him :( I hate this story. Poor sweet Molly. Rest in Peace.
When she saw him at the restaurant she shouldn’t have seen it as a coincidence. She should have seen it as a warning sign and had her guard way up. Problem is we enable this type of character and brush them off as just being weird, but they’re worse. They’re evil.
She was sitting in her car scared because of a crazy stalker but never bothered to lock the car doors or remain aware of her surroundings. I don't think she was taking the situation seriously enough. In a world full of predators it's a bad idea to act like prey.
@@roselikethewine She basically told him where she was going to be through the selfie with the caption of the restaurant and timeframe. Later on it's also mentioned that her friends could see her location via instagram location or something. Giving away that information while also dealing with a crazy stalker is not safe. It's like cliché teen horror movie mistakes - it's abhorrent what happened to her, but she basically walked right into it by giving the stalker opportunities he shouldn't have had.
@@DT5913 When we're born we know absolutely nothing. So I blame the parents and schools and TV because they teach us everything to become obedient little workers but almost nothing on how to actually survive in life. The dangers multiply everyday around us but we're conditioned to ignore our own instinct and rely on authorities to be guardian angels. And in school they'd prefer to teach pronouns instead of how to identify threats.
@@section7173 she didn’t. He contacted someone he used to date through tender and got her to follow Molly on all social media cuz he was blocked from her accounts. Yeah she should have been more guarded, like I said, but she was only 23. Still pretty young and definitely naive…
I hate it when the cops and the legal system doesn’t take stalking seriously.
Why didn't she stalk him back..... instead of crying?
Women lie so much it's hard to take anything the say seriously, even the justice system knows this is true, that's why they don't do anything
Stalking someone is just not on
When was stalking taken seriously? I think at
Least ten years go they were passing laws for stalking but some forms don’t help such as restraining orders after Restraining orders being violated but the law won’t enforce it
@@broeheemed32 wow 😳
I can’t stress this enough ALWAYS ALWAYS LOCK YOUR CAR AS SOON AS YOU ARE IN IT. It might just save your life. I one night had 2 men lunge at my car as soon as they saw me open it I never locked myself in and turned on my car so fast. Now Because of that I literally feel like I’m being followed my anxiety level has me running to my car like someone’s chasing me. I don’t feel safe until I’m locked in.
I was thinking the same thing i always lock the car as soon as I get in.
I Always hit the lock button repeatedly sometimes
Watching these documentaries has taught me this.
He stepped in after she was already inside. Listen to what they said and showed in that Clip. Your MESSAGE makes no sense.
@@nibor1224 her message makes perfect sense. Even if her advice did not apply to the story, it is greatly appreciated.
Maya Angelou's quote "if someone shows you one time who they are , believe them". Don't give second chances to controlling psychos.
Exactly. That quote should be a disclaimer on every dating site, and on the walls of every police station.
Wow! Genius…..
But we are so stupid...we react to danger too slow. We cannot count on the police to protect us..we have to take control and be ready for anything.
I’ve lived my life with this as one of my rules and it’s served me well.
Sorry, in a different note. Why is the lawyer wearing a wig that looks like something George Washington would wear? Time 19:37
Honestly, I’ve heard enough of these horror stories that if someone was stalking me like that, forget the cops. I’m handling it myself and I’d just take my chances with the legal system . I’d rather go to prison than the funeral home and there’s no way I’m ending up a statistic to some nut case
Didn’t expect this comment to generate so much discussion but since it did a number of you have mentioned the unavailability of handguns in the UK which I’m quite aware of but your missing the main point of my post. My point is that I WILL NOT put my fate in the hands of law enforcement and just HOPE that they actually take my dilemma seriously. Even if they do they can’t give me around the clock protection so I’m not going to live in fear of some psycho. I’m going to use whatever means is necessary to end the threat with or without the police and live with the consequences. I also want to make it clear that this is in no way a criticism of this poor young lady who was murdered.
Im the same way. I would of definitely taken the law into my own hands if I had to deal with that kind of psycho.
Have to agree. Get a gun, learn to use it.
Yeah this is the UK, we don't get guns.
Exactly! I’m not going down without a fight 💪 🤛
I've always felt the same way. Better be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
26 years? This was premeditated murder! He should have gotten life in prison without the possibility of parole.
He says he is very sorry everyday and prays everyday im his niece
@@Opaline-Astral And? Will any of that bring the girl back?
@@Opaline-AstralI'm sorry but your uncle is a psycho heartless murderer, he SHOULD rot in there, 26 years is not enough! R.I.P Molly🤍
He did get life. The 20 years is the minimum he has to serve before being considered for parole, of which there is no guarantee. Besides, he'll be on life licence upon release, if he ever is released.
They don't have that in UK... do they?
The woman who helped him to stalk her should have faced procecution as well 💯
No she shouldn't. Unless you can prove she knew he had a protective order against him.
@@snoopyco07 you should never stalk someone and give someone else info on someone who has someone else blocked.
He lied as far as the reason, she had no idea
@@bonnemoms5413 how do you know she knew he'd been blocked? How do you know what he told her?
@@Mdrobile sure. Dude asked her to stalk that girl for him. She needs to go to prison too
26 years!? That's it!!!?? He should NEVER be allowed to leave that prison! EVER!!
RIP Molly🙏💜
My condolences to her family and Friends. 💜💜
Hopefully the parents arrange justice on his release date
And the worst part is people get out earlier than that for so called good behaviour.
The u.k. is notorious for sentencing murderers with far less time than the u.s.
I am going to print out her message to the world and let people know who wrote it. It's very uplifting ! Rest in peace beautiful girl
I think that's the max in that part of the world they suck at sentencing monsters
26 years?? That’s it?? This poor girl was tortured, and all he gets is 26 years?? That seems like an injustice to me.
Edit: Thank you all for having a conversation about this topic! Everyone’s opinion is valid to them and I’m just happy that we can all talk about this and learn from each other!! 💗
Give him life! He is not going to change.
@@andiincali.4663 Exactly!!!!
Unfortunately life doesn’t mean life in the UK. Something that needs to change for unhinged monsters like this
You're right. He'll be younger than I am now when he's released and he should never be allowed to walk the streets again for what he did.
Justice was not served here whatsoever! The psycho deserved life imprisonment without any possibility of parole. So sad a beautiful young life was taken. Heartfelt condolences to Molly's family and friends.
You're the only channel so far I've come across that respects and honors the victims and their families, that's a big deal.
right thats why i subscribed respect
Coffeehouse Crime does as well.
Personally, I think Casual Criminalist is the best at it. There aren't many that show any respect for victims, those are the only channels I subscribe to for this content though. All 3 or 4 of 'em...
Yes this is my first visit here, and i noticed the same. Appreciate the gesture, no matter how little it may be. It means a lot. Kind of paradox but ya
He was in control of himself when he killed her. And he was in ultimate control of his victim, which is exactly what he wanted.
And now he is going to be under the ultimate control of someone else in prison.
Why didnt u call authority .u didnt Need him
How could u have put up with him second chance u should have called the authority.why
@@dianaveronicakambanis9690 stop victim blaming. ESPECIALLY AS A WOMAN. Physical abuse come with a lot of psychological abuse.
@@liftedgifted6010 💯👏👏👏
This isn’t the type of person that a restraining order and threats work on. It only escalates things.
They need an exploding collar that will only go off if they get too close to the other person. That way the predator becomes the prey and will need to relocate far away to avoid losing their head.
@@section7173 what an idea,
If there is no other way then one should definitely have a restraining order.
This is also more common with male perpetrators
@@JesusChristIsComeInTheFlesh Restraining orders don't do much, and in public places excuses are easier to use and get away with if the police intervene. If the person considers murder then an extra month of jail for breaking a restraining order doesn't matter that much. Basically the police won't do much until the crime has been committed, technically and legally they are powerless. Yet if you even poke a police officer you're on the ground facing possible prison time.
His new tinder date who reported Molly's whereabouts is also as guilty
Right?! I hope she feels terrible. What a weird thing to agree to... No standards.
It’s odd that this was never touched upon again in the video. I’d be curious to know how this person was dealt with. I have only an interest criminal law procedures and criminal psychology but from what I’ve gathered, wouldn’t this be akin to accessory to murder? “Akin” meaning I’m curious to know if there is a lesser charge to accessory to murder (as you’d need to be actively, not passively, involved in the murder itself)?
It’s also odd to me that this person is obviously legally protected in some way since the tinder date’s identity is not revealed. This could be for two reasons: they’ve been cleared of any wrongdoing and are therefore being protected from the public and Joshua himself; or legal proceedings are still underway to determine the extent to which this person is culpable.
In any case, whether they knew what Joshua was capable of or not, [edit] or if they’d been manipulated, it’s still a pretty spineless and perplexing act. It seems the only accountability this person faces is the few that actually know what their actions have resulted in.
It said she was mislead. Let's not take blame away from who it actually belongs to. Suggesting she knew his motives or real reasoning is to suggest any of the other girls who dated him should've also known.
Who knows the reasoning he gave her. It was stated she was misled. What she did is basically no different than him making a fake profile himself to keep tabs. Instead he made her do the dirty work unknowingly. I've had friends add other people online to keep my name from popping up for different reasons. So personally I disagree. Now on the flip side I can say it's weird she didn't feel off about doing it considering this is a guy she literally just met of Tinder and he's basically getting her to watch another girl for him but like I said who knows the reasoning he gave her in her mind it could have made sense
@@jenpounce154 naw, misled or not, she knew she was helping him keep tabs and get info on this girl. She should have known better. She's just as guilty for stalking as he is.
This is horrible!!! I'm in a relationship where she's given me signs she might want to leave me soon. I've prepared myself for the sadness I'll have from it, but it'd never cross my mind to prepare to harm her. This is such a bizarre world
i've ended relationships and i've been dumped as well.. at the end all of my partners have become great friends over the years... always end things gracefully.
Getting broken up with sucks. It hurts. And it happens all the time.
I’m sorry you’re going through it.
Rite we just have to take it like a man
He lost twice in stead of gaining
O Lord I have a daughter I would want the police to get to him before I did cause id be in prison
I'm only 2 minutes in and OMG....what on earth is with Tinder!? So many true crime stories seem to start on Tinder. I'll pass thanks. I'd rather be single and alive.
sooooo true....i noticed the same thing!! wtf
same!!!
Too many weirdos on Tinder
Online dating. What do people really expect? These people have to date online because they are the lowest on the totem pole. They suck at connecting with people. That's why they have to do it online and not in person. People who resort to these apps are often screwed up.
Hi would you like to Tinder with me ? ha ha only joking...we can meet in a dark place so we can get to know each other ??....ha ha.Actually that is how people used to meet, quiet candle lit dinners. All gone now. No more joking . Even brightly lit public places are not safe, read the story of Grace Millane.
Stabbing someone 75 times is absolutely crazy.
Just try to make the stabbing move 75 times with your hands, just crazy really.
26 years for a premeditated first degree murder ?? And people from England have the audacity to talk about the American Justice system. In any state in America that’s life in prison
I did that exact thing, got like 10 in and couldn’t even imagine 65 more… so unfathomable and fucked up.
so I'm not the only one who thinks like that. I imagine that stabbing move and how hard it would be going through bone and flesh. Horrible!
I just did it got fed up at 30. He must have really hated her .😳
Yes that's insane 💔😢
Verbal threats need to be taken more seriously by all judicial systems. This "we have to wait until they act" crap is just that-----CRAP!!!! And only 26 years? That's an effing joke!
yep ! I was once threatened at work by a customer who tried to break the front door, then took a bottle and threatened to do my car, shouting abuse. We called the cops. " Sorry we can't do anything until the crime has been committed." Thanks a lot mr plod.More than that they knew this nutty guy well from previous incidents.
Its a minimum of 26 years for this offence in the U.K. Relax.
Also, for some unfathomable reasons, they treat these criminals at par with the victims. I know everyone is supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law, but this is a clear case of an innocent young girl minding her own life, being threatened by this monster who wouldnt leave her alone. Please dont treat them as equals 🙏
"'Listen, Buster, you better leave this girl alone, or else!' OK, ma'am, that should do it. He learned his lesson, I'm sure he won't bother you again."
This is so sad to watch. How can one do that to another human? 75 stab wounds!?! This makes me sick! It’s sad that our world has so much evil. Condolences to the family and friends. Rip Molly, you didn’t deserve that ❤
Crazy
Wow she literally had to lose her life for the police to FINALLY do something about stalking. Why in the hell do they wait for someone to lose their life?!?!
OK go ahead be a cop, see how hard it actually is top stop a stalker legally, go to hell!
more important shit to worry about, like people going 5 miles over a speed limit, or some1 who has plant matter in their posession
@@nickg9639 srsly? The Police is BOUND to the justice System and Laws. Change the LAWS and Cops can do something about stalking. Same with going 5 miles over speed or plant matter. LAWS! FFS stop blaming the Police for you inanbility to abide by laws.
Behave
@@mpumelelobeyers957blah blah blah
Once you've dated a narcissist you've dated them all.
@Mike H "female" lol you just told me everything I need to know about you.
@@cathare4909 what's wrong with saying female?
@@FionavanDahl Spot on. It's the classic sign of an incel most often times because they consider it a pretty good way to demean women.
@Mike H Narcissism knows no gender boundaries.
@@FionavanDahl I don't think he was saying that at all. I think he was just using a word to refer to the opposite sex. You're either male or female. Plus aren't we evolved primates?
Dear Good! The face of her dad. He died with her too. Her mum is also just a shadow of herself. What a tragedy! I feel so sorry for the whole family and of course for her. Why are there such psychos out there?
May Good have mercy on their souls.
Thought the same, looks like he's aged 30 years from that family pic. Absolutely heartbreaking 💔
@@CoreyJohnson193
Lol
Why are there such “psychos”? Broken brains and/or inherent evil.
Happens to any parent that loses a child, my parents are shells of their former selves, they put on brave faces, but that's just how it is. My sister was 28 when she died.
When sometime starts telling you all about being crazy you need to take that as a sincere warning. It’s not your job to help.
When a man tells you something about himself, trust him, even if it sounds like he's exaggerating or joking, always take it seriously.
Yep dont try to help those who need it, good thinking
@@jamespaul6315 that’s what you got from that? Ok.
@@jamespaul6315 The help he needed was down at the cop shop but they were not on the ball.
@@Aashka_The_Mystic same with women or no?
When you look at Molly's pictures and see her eyes you can tell she had a sweet and kind soul, when you look at Joshua on the other hand, you can tell there's something fundamentally wrong with him, his awkward smile and his eyes full of emptiness and wickedness scream danger.
This case no matter what person covers it, is so psychotic and always gives chills.
Yes watched many different crime channels covering it! What a selfish bad yin!!!
And to think he isn’t spending life behind bars is ridiculous. Do they really think he won’t do this again??
@@royroyalu definitely will!!
@@ThePinsay 😅
Don’t they all… 🤷🏾♀️😔
I know that this sounds crazy, but if you ever have a severe stalker like that, pack your bags and "disappear" for a while. Start planning before it gets suffocating and out of hand. You might lose your job and lots if money, but that's nothing compared to losing your precious life at the hand of a madman/woman
Stay safe out there!!
OR…. Don’t wuss out and turn the tables. Start staking THEM. Have ballz and don’t give up your entire life
Having read about and watched videos about many cases like this, I think your advice is the best way of dealing with stalking. The victim has to say nothing but quietly plan to just vanish. Once a person like that gets it into their head that you can't be allowed to leave them, there's really no preventing them.
@@cheeriosforhonkies8867 that's what I'm saying 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏💯☝️✌️
@@cheeriosforhonkies8867 Prepare for the confrontation. Arm yourself or attack him first. Put his stalking ass in the hospital.
@@mol1210 I disagree. As a domestic abuse and stalking survivor myself, none of that works unless you go to a safe house. Which a lot of people don't have the option for. Most abusers/stalkers will find you no matter where you go. People have moved across the country and their abuser/stalkers still find them. The best thing to do is arm yourself and shoot them in the face as soon as the make one wrong move. Keep a paper trail with the cops, even if they don't help you. The paper trail can be used to support your self defense claim.
He doesn’t have a personality disorder, he’s flipping insane
psychopathy is also a personality disorder. having one is just a clinical way of describing how shit a person is.
That is a personality disorder
He do have bdp .. is clear as the sun, not an excuse tho..
Bad parenting. Teach your kids to take rejections normally, dont overpamper them to the extent that they start thinking nobody has the right to reject them.
I watch these types of videos often, it was very nice to see you pay respects to the victim and her family before you started the video. It’s so appropriate and kind, and I’m shocked I’ve never noticed that other channels DONT do this.
So chilling. There needs more legal protections & punishments in place for abusers.
Stalking needs to get prison time in itself. It's harassment
That's unrealistic. Women should be smarter and not let abusers abuse just because they're attractive.
@@measlesplease1266 that's is the single most saddest and most unhelpful comment I have ever read in my life. I guess if someone robs you we should agree to do nothing to help you because you should have just been smarter and not have stuff to steal.
@@measlesplease1266 men should just stop being psychos
@@tabbybulla9198 not comparable to a situation where she kept coming back to her abuser. Maybe watch the video next time.
If you meet someone with really low self esteem and a lot of insecurities like this guy, you should take that as a huge red flag. Also, their emotions escalate fast. They will put on the biggest act to try to make you love then. They pretend to be your perfect, ideal partner. They may even study what you like, so they can try to become that. But the facade breaks inevitably. They can’t keep the act up forever. Someone that cares about you or loves you wants to see you happy, not own you, keep you on a short leash, and make you miserable. Guys like this are narcissistic creeps. Narcissists do not actually have an over-inflated self esteem, they always feel like they aren’t good enough (not perfect), but they’re terrified that you may see that, so they put on an act and instead of fixing their self, they try to manipulate other’s opinion of them. It’s lame and pathetic. They take no responsibility for their own bad behavior and would rather blame you for their words and actions. People like this DO NOT get better. You need to leave them because it only gets worse. But don’t just leave them, go no contact. If they try to force themselves into your life, get a restraining order. Or a protective order if you need one active asap. This is serious. These people are very sick and they have no clue how sick they are. They just can’t register that what they’re doing is wrong. They know the behavior is wrong only if it’s done against them. They are full of double standards.
Narcissists don't think there's anything wrong with them. It's everyone else that has the problem, never them.
Thank you for condensing all the narcissistic abuse subs on Reddit into one paragraph.
@@nicholasbogosian5420 I’m glad you got it too
@@ellemorgan1331 I feel sorry for you darling 😢 been there for years he took my daughter away from me.Thanks to my family I am alive 🙏 ❤ 💙 BE STRONG
I've got insecurities, maybe not low self esteem to this degree, and not bipolar, but I cannot understand the desire to hurt or control people. If someone wants to leave, I wish them well and walk them out the door.
Truly a sad case makes you really be afraid to trust anyone.
it really makes me sick to my stomach for the women in my life. and honestly some of the guys
There are plenty of good men and women who are decent people. The trick is not to ignore all the red flags and don't choose partners based on looks or because they're tall bad boys.
@@melinaesposito3434 Exactly, which suggests that Tinder isn’t a particularly good starting point.
Looks aside, there are so many people out there that will think they own you within a short time.
@@anhedonianepiphany5588 unless changes no !!!!!/ I plan on staying single though with someone or not or anyone no more ignoring red flags!!!!! etc......
My ex stalked me without me being aware of what he was doing, until he pulled up in the Walmart parking lot next to my car. I had a no contact order on him. It's been 22 years, and I'm always afraid to leave my apartment, and I always have to look over shoulder. Police say there's nothing they can do if he hasn't physically harmed me SMH.
I'm sorry, what kind of false reasons could this guy have POSSIBLY fed that woman to make her agree to friend Molly across all platforms specifically to give info to a guy she went on ONE date with?
She’s an oddball, I do wonder what is the reason? He’s his long lost estranged sister? What did she do let him have her account or fed him every detail? I find it highly off she didn’t once question his motive. He must of been her side piece for her to get nothing from it. And it’s her whole routine, the bar she would visit that one day. Then the specific gym.
At what point does she not question his motive ?!
Believe it or no, you've got some male identified women who will do treacherous and slimy things to other women for men.
I know from personal experience. I've had women that I consider good friends all the way down to women I knew in passing,, try and get information on me for the men. And the women & I weren't fighting or on bad terms or anything. They call it being "male identified" but I don't know enough about that to comment on it. But yeah, iti does happen.
I agree that is a very strange part of the story. It is a very weird request and the fact that she hardly knew him makes it even more unfathomable. Why did she do it?
Poor Molly. She thought she was being loved in the beginning, but it turned into mental/emotional abuse so fast that she hardly had a chance to react.
She had plenty of time, she just didn't know what she was doing
Love bombing.
Its the tough british C0VlD cops that suck with crime but tough on the sniffles
hahaha you believe that? you must think women are dumb. she knew what she was getting into and because her dad didnt love her enough so she loves psycho murderous men :(. some people actually walk into the bears mouth and then expect sympathy.
Besides the fact of obvious narcissism or socio/psychopathy, I think there is something about all humans where - when we aren't in a perfectly suited relationship - power dynamics begin to emerge. It is so easy to throw out humans and say they are just bad, but I think there is so much more to the problem that just blanket evilness. Humans are such amazingly loving creatures but we also have the potential for such hatred and harm, and I think reconciling this polarity is part of what it makes life worth living.
The telling of the story was done very well. I had seen this story reported on UA-cam in a video previously and this particular video did much more justice to Molly and her experience than the previous video I watched. Thank you for covering this and giving a voice to victims of stalking. I truly hope that more and more men of this disgusting caliber will fear to act predatorial towards women online and in person. You ARE being watched. You're actions WILL be judged!
* your, not you're.
Molly was a brave woman for going up to Joshua and talking to him at the gym. When I dealt with my stalker, my response was to leave the moment I saw him. It sucked that I had change my routine and lifestyle because of him but it was better than running into him all the time.
That was sensible advice. He wanted to see her face to face & after she cut him off. Things got worse. Instead of talking it out and moving on
That's what you have to do. You have to change your entire routine until the stalker moves on and unfortunately picks the next victim.
It was lovely that you shared Mollys own writings at the end! Such a tragic loss of a wonderful life!😢
This judge nailed everything about him.
There's never closure.
Yes I agree! But I'm very shocked he only got 26years, he should not be allowed out! He will do this stalking again and again and murder again! So sad for poor woman that have died at the hands of these evil wicked monsters!
She didn't nailed nothing. He's going out on less tjen 26 years. What she stated he should be behind bars and rotten there.
@@glow1815 Her words to him nailed everything about him. Fact. That's exactly what I meant.
Don't be afraid to tell brothers or uncles to intervene with erratic partners. The police will intervene, but only after a fatality, such as this.
@Reinhard von Lohengramm you in the wrong family then. Some families still got warriors In the blood line. It’s better than “girl friends” who literally didn’t do anything
''Partners''. 🙄Stop the weasel language
@Reinhard von Lohengramm This comment is clearly based off anecdotal evidence and your personal confirmation bias. Please do not hesitate reach out to your friends and family as well as the police!
Good advise. Exhaust all means possible. My case I ask bro to help assess the person for me. It also helps to make it a habit to tell your mom, sis, or friends where you are or where you're going. Sis and I tried a tracker before. Dad even tells us to carry some form of weapon coz you just never know these days.
Mine just told me I was over reacting and to just Block him. 😪
Being single and staying to myself looks better and better every day. The lunatic butchered that unfortunate girl so savagely.
Agree 100 percent
Been single for many years now, sometimes I like all the peace I get, sometimes it drives me crazy... just trying to be content with what the universe gives me
Same. Married 17 years. Divorced 15 years. Doing just fine.
Hear Hear
@@katharinase614absolutely, I am single for 13 years now, out of my own choice, & I prefer it this way…
When she left the gym and got into her car, and he was making his way to her, I kept telling myself "Please lock the car, lock it!" 😔 She must have been terrified when she saw him opening the passenger door with a knife in hand.
My sister has been being stalked by her ex for 5 years and police have been no help. She bought a house and moved to a gated community last week. It scares me what his reaction will be when he realises she’s out of reach now.
Out of reach? You think that rent-a-cop will put his life on the line for her? 😆
@@edwardbellingham3509 You find this funny do you. Having a laugh at my sisters expense Edward? He can no longer sit outside her house or drive past incessantly is what I meant. Good to see your on the stalkers side. Probably one yourself by your reaction.
@@felicitycarter8120 that’s terrible!! If your sister lives in the states it would be best to get a license to carry.
She isn’t out of reach! She needs to be out practicing her aim! Women need and should be able to defend themselves with an equalizer…S&W is the only one I know of..you?
@@felicitycarter8120 he wasn’t laughing at the situation but at your naive assumption she is now “out of reach” because of a gated community! I pray to God you are right but take it from someone who has lived through it…teach her how to shoot, if you can!
This type of dude send chills up my spine…I am so thankful for my healthy marriage and for my parents displaying healthy relations among married people . I will definitely watch this with my teenage daughters. Thank you for posting this video! Great educational tool for parents with young daughters launching into the dating scene.
It’s absolutely terrifying
Just as a side note Lady Andrews, men are not the only ones who stalk. There are female stalkers as well. Females on men who don't reciprocate their affections. Females to their competition. I don't think female stalkers are as prevalent but they do exist.
@@dricka49221 I totally agree. I think this video is great because it opens the door to conversations about inappropriate behavior, red flags, safety, and relationships in general. As we know teens don’t often listen to their parents but I feel that being able to talk about dating safely is so important, even adults can benefit from healthy discussions about what happened in this story.
@@ladyandrews9371 So very true Lady Andrews The more we talk about these kinds of incidents and how to prevent them, how to be aware that people like this exist, the more people that will become safer. I am not naive, I know that we will never get to 100%, we may not even get close to that, I am not sure, but every person we can prevent from having to go through this, is worth every moment/second we spend trying to educate and prevent it. An ounce for prevention is worth 10 POUNDS of the cure!
@Ally mcoist you should ask her out
I dont understand how some people cant handle a break up
This case makes me so angry every time I hear about it. This poor girl deserved so much and the loser reminds me of my ex. Really makes me uncomfortable seeing the similarities between him and my ex...makes me wonder if this could have been me. My heart breaks for her and her family.
It does to me too. Had brakes cut. Was sent inappropriate things in the mail. Stalked me every where I went. Stole from my home, I finally had to move out. Left my stuff in storage to just walk away. Police did nothing
I'd never heard of this case before. It's so sad
@wanda hughes thank you. It honestly means a lot to hear that. It's just really sad that not everyone can get away even if they try their hardest like this young lady :(
This is what happens when you let a psychopath think there're no consecuences for their actions. Stalking Is a crime
Any man who spends that much time trimming his facial hair ain't right
loll
Exactly 😂
Hahaha, you mention what i was thinking!
I'm with ya. I'm a chick & even I don't spend that much time on my facial hair.
he is muslim
I love that this channel always sends out condolences to the family of the victims. Often people forget about the victims in a case once the case goes to court, all the attention goes to the murderer! Let’s not forget the victims in these cases! ❤💖
People need to stop over sharing on social media. It's so easy to follow others, literally.....
There's too many sick people.
I feel for her family and hope they get some sort of healings 🌺.
You’re preaching to the choir. It will never happen. Those using social media are too far gone and have no self awareness or intuitiveness.
You got that right. Even selling stuff on line. I ran into a problem. It's pretty scary.
yep . they post where they are going to be and have the locations on in snapchat and wonder why ppl know where they are ,
Exactly! Share that type of info with someone you're accountable to only, but the whole world doesn't need to know your whereabouts. My ex was murdered in his own home after his lover tracked the person he was cheating with...right to his own home. Exes also know your routine, so you have to change it up when breaking up with them.
My phone goes in my top drawer when I get home .. from 2pm to 9 pm… spend time with my family.. and guess what ?? I have a ton of friends
How can you become so obsessed with someone that you do this to them?
If it wasn't Molly it would have been someone else. Joshua needs to be protected from society.
I've asked men that are good looking if they've been stalked. They get stalked too....a lot..I'm surprised to hear the same stuff us women go through. I do notice very open the woman is striking or very attractive
@@melinaesposito3434 You mean, society needs protection from Joshua, _right?!?_ Letting him out again would not be wise.
By being a narcissist. Too many males have this disorder. It is up to us to identify such a person and avoid them.
That's what narcissists do. Everything is about their egos. He wasn't obsessed with her, but with the threat she posed to his precious little ego
I feel for all those woman, especially Molly. I had a stalker, he had bipolar. Everytime I'd let him down easy by telling him to please leave me alone, he would just insult me and talk about how he'd murder me in aggressive ways. He was stalking me on and off for 8 months total. Everytime I thought it was over, he'd randomly message me threats and how he seen me somewhere or how he seen me getting my mail and carrying my mother up the steps. Mind you, it was only a one time encounter. I was only 19, I'm 21 now, and I was so scared. This is why I'm thinking about carrying and learning to not stand down when someone is making me uncomfortable and to be as aggressive as possible or as aggressive as them. The more submissive and allowing you are, the more they do.
@yeah. If you're only 21 you definitely need one. Go to a shooting range they can walk you through purchases, train you , and most of them have guns you can use until you decide what you want. Good luck.
@@tvc65 Amen. The world is crazy now, as women we are required to defend ourselves and our loved ones everyday. As a retail worker, I extend that to any decent person in my environment. However, I'm not a criminal, I live in a Constitutional carry state, don't tread on me. I won't die for a criminal.
it’s not bipolar . plenty of people live with it and have normal lives . there just loonie bins who use bipolar as an excuse
@@RicheeBe it's duality to people , you know... You can be crazy and have bipolar. Not to mention, mental illness can fuel you to do things you wouldn't if you didn't have a chemical inbalance or behavioral problem. It's more prone with people with mental health issues. I have depression, I know it's a lot of crazy people with it that do bad things to themselves and others.
RIP Molly. The final words at the end are touching and show her positivity and beautiful soul. They resonate deeply with me and I hope her family and friends have found some peace.
Those dating sites are full of predators.
People always use illnesses to gain sympathy and attention, I learned that as a teenager and constantly get confirmation. More than ever, people think it’s cool to be “victim” and get SO UPSET when you do not play along.
I’m sure they grew up to be a Democrat.
@@jeremywickwire565 absolutely, bet they have pronouns, BLM, vaccine, and Ukraine in their Instagram bios. They’re all… literally the same.
Yeah she had issues. It's a shame
@@jeremywickwire565 absolutely.
I have some illness so I know when someone talks about it too much it's fake
All you want it's being normal when you have one
Always lock your doors as soon as you get into your car. ALWAYS. I don’t care if you’re male or female.
Always in a parking lot, above ground or below, I am hyper alert about my environment and always lock my door as soon as I get in. Sad that women have to protect themselves from men.
There is a high overlap between narcissism and OCPD. Both disorders are self-righteous, controlling, and self-centered.
Good rule to live by.... Always pay attention to your surroundings and keep car doors locked
Yes you are right...its call situational awareness
And permanently delete all social media accounts on snapchat, instagram, facebook etc. Don't use dating apps. Keep a low profile. Hang out in the real world.
When Molly saw him at the restaurant she shouldn’t have seen it as a coincidence. She should have seen it as a warning sign and had her guard way up. Problem is we enable this type of character and brush them off as just being “weird,” but they’re far worse... They’re pure evil.
A little lamb she was
I agree!
We all get "creepy vibes" for a reason - our body is telling us something isn't right. We all need to start trusting our intuitions.
So, you’re basically blaming the victim. Wow. Obviously, if she knew better, she would’ve done the right thing hindsight is 2020.
@@jenniferwellman5311 she didn't blame the victim at all - she is stating that woman brush things off when we should trust our feelings. You know she wasn't blaming the victim, so stop it.
Yes, we have to retrain ourselves to listen to our spider senses. Females are taught from a very young age to keep quiet & obey. 😔
To think if police had logged prior incidents properly it had the potential to save Molly sooner!! Patterns of ongoing behaviour would have shown how dangerous and sick this ‘man’ really is. Harassment needs to be taken more seriously!!
My daughter is only 8 years old and stories like this makes me realize she could never be completely safe at any age.
Such a sad story. My condolences to this family
Really - you are just figuring that out now ...
this is why i am happy to be single....just rub one out...finished
@@Augfordpdoggielmfaooo
It is do sad. This beautiful, young lady is unalive because of a psycho. Protect your daughter at all cost. My son is 33, I never stop worrying about it. He lives with me. Whenever he is leaving the house I ask him where he is going and when will he be coming home. I don't care if he get annoyed. Children will learn the fear when they have their own children.
That poor girl 😢 The police don't seem to think stalking is that serious, even now. My best friend has been stalked by an obviously mentally ill woman from Texas, but she lives in New York, for almost 2 years now. Trying to get anything done has been a nightmare for her. She's been swatted, CPS was called, food deliveries, you name it. Internet stalking is something that also needs to be addressed. Why the police don't take it seriously is infuriating. I hope her family has been able to find happiness in their memories of Molly. Hers was a life that ended much too early and for no reason.
They started taking it seriously until people started saying everything was stalking, like commenting on a post, walking down the street looking at someone just once, a man making a compliment, etc.
Women making a big deal over nothing is what happened and now it's come full circle.
They care more about wrong think.
@@Anne-pv9cb Oh crap. Yr right. That really has happened. You made a very good point.
The police are not obligated to keep you safe. That's your job.
@@kelvinfernandez3205 They should change their slogan "To protect and serve"
You can bet that if my daughter called and told me their freak ex was in the gym with them I would have been right over there to see her safely home. It is not the parent's or friend's fault this happened, but dang, just going over there could have saved her. Such a shame.
I was thinking the same thing. Her fate was harrowing though. If it wasn’t that day in the parking lot, if would’ve been another day elsewhere. It’s too late for this, but I wish she carried a hand gun. What a sweet person with so much to live for, got mixed up with this animal psychopath. Life just isn’t fair.
The parents should have been there knowing the situation why in the world would they think it’s okay to not be their for your daughter especially protect her from harms way
I literally just had this thought myself
@@Heavencollects Why ? lets blame the Parents shall we as if there not going thru enough, you Finger wagging people Disgust me. 😢
Damn y’all placing blaming on the victims mourning parents now… fucked up
So many similarities between this guy and my ex husband. There were no stalking laws back then and so there was little help for me after I put him out with a restraining order. He did get a life sentence for what he ended up eventually doing to me but because he was so self confident that no jury would convict him so he refused a plea bargain. He was paroled only a few years ago after serving 30 yrs. From the parole transcripts, the things he says tell me he hasn’t changed. I’m lucky to be alive
I'm happy for you darling and for myself xx
Happy you're alive too ... Please don't answer if it brings back bad memories, but I've always wondered ... How did it feel after he was released, and are you still scared, or has enough time passed?
Hope he leaves you alone now that he's out
@@topspot4834 I always been jumpy since this all happened. when someone walks up behind or beside me I jump. But now I think it is more so. It’s strange because now I’m so much older and different but at the Same time it seems like yesterday. How about you?
Way to make it about you. Histrionic much?
“Hyper sensitivity to rejection” give me a break!!! I’ve been rejected many times, yet haven’t done anything like what he did.. ridiculous!
That Majid psychiatrist was a middle easterner. They always side with the men.
Had she only just locked the car doors when she got in…I mean. That literally would have been the first thing I did. It’s the first thing I do, especially when I’m out and about alone. I hit that lock button so fast. This is so sad. He is a straight up psycho and needs to be locked up for the rest of his pathetic life.
There were plenty of "if onlys" in this story.
He was determined to kill her. If not then, without police intervention he would have gotten her later I feel
locked cars won't stop bullets, but you are right, she would maybe still be alive if she had locked her doors immediately and gotten out of the parking lot.
i have it set up , on my wifes car that only her door unlocks when she uses the unlock button
I feel like he was going to kill her no matter what.. if not in that parking lot then elswhere
This is my second time watching this,and it's so Fricking sickening how some ppl can be! Such a sad story. RIP Molly
We have a lot of that in the USA, and it started when our culture started cutting infant boys. Before that horrible practice became a thing, the USA was far from violent.
What's worse is people like this aren't rare. There are men and women who are just as crazy as him. They just happen to not reach the level of murder. Hell, I dated a man like this. I still physically cringe at the words "you made me do this". Even my husband has been with someone like this. Luckily, when I broke it off with the guy, my dad made a threat on his life after he made a threat on mine and considering my dad is a large man with connections to the police, it was enough to put his tail between his legs and leave me alone. What he didn't know at the time was my dad is also a teddy bear and would never hurt a soul, but it's a good thing he didn't realize that. I swear, some people are just psychotic.
@@lunaballuna Your dad is awesome! Glad you both got out of that!
@@katelynholmes9504 he is pretty amazing :) besides my husband, my dad is my rock.
@@lunaballuna they say theres a psychopath born everyday in US. Sounds silly but true statistics.
I’ve been with this type of guy; after 9 years I was almost totally drained of all life, I tried to leave, and almost was beaten to death with a wine bottle; took 11 years to try and find someone again. Any of us who been there prolly know that sick stomach feeling that it coulda been you when you watch things like this.
I am so sorry that happened. So glad you're alive and well and you got out of that horrific situation. Sending big hugs.
I am trying to get out of my 35 year marriage.. 35 years of emotional, financial, physical and child abuse... I am drained of my life and can barely do anything. He sucked the life out of me and my health.. He is now financially abusing me so that I cant leave and trying to turn some of my kids against me.. I spend each day taking my pain meds and anxiety meds sometimes a little too much but I hate him and want to get away from him. No I am not suicidal and am not trying to overdose ( i am just trying to stay numb)... Hopefully one day soon I will be able to get away..❤
@@liveandletdie7187 can you go to a battered woman's shelter? They hide people .....35 years is too long
same .. i moved to another state for ten years . he even came there looking for me thank god never found me he even broke into my voicemail and left a horrible disgusting greeting likr 5 yrs into my freedom i seen him at a station getting gas some girl smiling in his face not knowing she’s his next victim . i was like 😳 and jumped in my car so fast i accidentally stole the squeegee
Wow.... Same except the wine bottle. 9 years for me too. Still single and not likely to change that anytime soon. So sorry you can relate. I feel so blessed that I escaped this kind of relationship with my life.
How can someone go to the police, say a person is following, threatening, stalking you and police’s response is oh tell him to not contact you again. Yes sir thanks.
I watched another video on this case that went into gruesome detail about the actual murder, and it was so, so horrific. I think about her whenever I get into my car and it's bc of her murder I lock my door immediately after getting inside my car. My heart breaks for what Molly went through bc of that pos. I hope her family are doing as okay as they can be
Is the bloody knife 🔪 they shown here the one he used on her? Is that her blood? 🥺
@@deend7824 u sound like u need help
First time hearing this story.
Could you link the other video you watched?
@@deend7824 also yes I'm pretty sure it is
This is terrifying. I started studying at university of kent in 2017 and am still there. I can recognise places just from these photos. I even had mental health treatment at the same place joshua had, a few months apart 👀
Ekkk girllll
Hope your okay 💖
Getting into and out of relationships seems to be extremely risky and life threatening for women these days.
For real!
Well, stop harming baby boys after they are born, then this wouldn’t be an issue in the USA. They might not remember it, but their brain stores it.
Cause you all choose assholes to date because they look good or make bank lets be real
Really?! Its time to stop watching thus shit if you're going to base your views of society on the vasis of a few wackos....
Same, for many men!
Tragic and sad but a good reminder to NOT put your details and info about your comings and goings on your social media platforms - and especially if you're in the habit of accepting friendships from people you don't know, as this woman did.
The poem at the end is heartbreaking. If something like this stalking is happening to you please do something and speak to someone. Make sure you are heard.
To lose a child is horrible,to have them taken away and in such heartless manner is just heartbreaking,may she rest in peace. I hope her family finds peace too
Joshua wasn’t “possessed” he was enraged beyond reason.
Yeah that’s possessed
The reason was his Bpd
A man looking to desperately replace the motherly love he was dismissed of.
true, and very sad. if only he’d gotten the help he clearly needed. what a senseless tragedy the whole case was.
This almost made me cry... if anyone ever tells you they're in an uncomfortable situation like that, go to them, don't tell them to leave alone, it's too vulnerable and if you can't go, have the police take/escort them home. Rest in peace Molly, you were a beautiful girl and you deserved better than this man 💔
I agree. A good friend would say wait by reception I'm coming to get you. Especially knowing this guy is unhinged she should not have been going about alone.
@@2bsure I'm sure her friend was a good friend, but maybe uneducated about these situations. Lots of people would tell a person to leave, not realizing it could endanger them
She didn't have a man because a real man would never do that. He was an immature little boy with severe mental illness.
@@LilStitchy1 No, he was a full grown man with mental health issues. Men commit these violent crimes against women all the time, not boys, this was an adult in every sense of the word.
@@chelseasmith1426 that's funny because I am actually seeing kids ages 10-15 on the news fairly often for committing crimes like murdering their families over technology and going out and committing mass murder. A number of these kids have stabbed people to death and kept stabbing in a clear case pf over kill. And they too have mental illnesses. So yes, he behaved like a boy with severe mental illness. I'm not saying he shouldn't receive the death penalty for what he did. He should absolutely get the death penalty for it. But his brain was traumatized as a child and studies have shown that children who experience trauma like that will have development delays such as the hypersensitivity to rejection. To be clear I am not in any way saying it was the victim's fault. She rejected him for good reason and it was the right thing to do. And with the trauma he suffered there really isn't any way to fix it because he's already a very low functioning psychopath.
This is one of the few crime channels where you can actually hear the narrator properly great channel keep it up.
It doesn’t sound like he had a bipolar disorder. He is more narcissitic than anything maybe alittle bit or sociopath but red flags were ignored on her part. Always trust your gut!!!
He's more akin to a spoiled brat that can't stand hearing the word 'no' and probably hadn't heard it much growing up.
@never mind Because fuck'em
Stop blaming the victim, wtf is wrong with you!
I agree. Narcissistic personality disorder, for sure. I dated a guy before who, I am pretty sure, had that disorder and he was always lying and manipulating me and gaslighting me! Was very awful.
Or borderline
the countless amount of cases i’ve heard where everything could have been prevented if police took stalking, harassment and male violence seriously. countless women lose their lives to men like this. to preventable crimes. it’s always only when it’s too late that something gets done.
I’ve heard of this story when it first came out years ago. I still feel so sorry for Molly and her family. Bless her ❤
Tinder is becoming a hotspot for meeting psychos, this is not the first murder I’ve heard of that has involved meeting on that app lol
One thing I always tell my female loved ones, ALWAYS check your surroundings, and ALWAYS lock your vehicles doors the moment you close them!
sure? Yesterday you did not!
Women wouldn’t have to worry about that, if we did not introduce violence to baby boys, as soon as they are born in the USA. Do research, that stuff messes with the baby’s brains, even if they don’t remember it.
Yup and never leave the window down just sitting idly in your car. Roll that window up and lock the doors.
Or maybe we teach men not to murder and attack women? No we have to be on alert, can't even trust the police not to do it. We have to learn self defence.
the things we have to do because men cant help being psychos
Beautifully put together, bravo 👍🏻 🙏🏼
Ladies, and men as well, always lock your car doors and don’t stick around if you don’t have to.
why?
I agree ,she knew he was there she should've left asap.
Please be safe. Don’t put your every move online EVER
I’m so sorry this happened. She overcame and conquered something so very difficult, she was strong & beautiful. I’m just so very sorry
He should have gotten life.. this makes my heart hurt so bad. Such a beautiful soul taken too soon. Rest well Molly
I wonder why the judge said "you'll never leave prison but he got 20 some yrs
@@LoveBird-o8m The required and only sentence for murder in the UK is 'life imprisonment'. This means the sentence is imposed for the whole of the rest of your life.
But, for example, people sentenced to, say, 20 years for a serious offence, will rarely serve the full 20 years in prison. They may be released earlier on good behaviour grounds and if considered suitable for early release. But they will remain 'on licence' for the remainder of the 20 years, and under a variety of requirements e.g. being tagged and curfewed, working with probation services, reporting in regularly to police, staying away from named places, staying away from named people, having regular drug testing, possibly having restrictions around use of electronic devices and social media - if child pornography offences, etc). Any breaches of licence conditions would likely result in a recall to prison.
With life sentences, the judge is required to set the minimum tariff - in this case 26 years - before an offender may even be considered for release. But release could only happen if the court, after considering psychiatric reports, prison behaviour reports etc, was confident the offender was suitable for release. If it was felt they remained a threat to society they would not be released. Again, if they were released, this does not mean the end of their sentence; they would be on licence for the rest of their life, including the sorts of licence conditions previously described. They could be recalled to prison for any breach of licence conditions.
The person in this video will, whatever happens, remain in prison until he is at least 50 years old. He may never be released, if never assessed as being fit for release.
There is an exception, which is a 'whole life tariff', which applies to cases of the very highest level of seriousness, where offenders will never be released from prison.
26 years for murdering a 23 year old woman? He would not see the light of day in the US. Horrible and tragic.
And statistically that’s a ‘big’ sentence as well.
Not true, for example, a “life” sentence in New Mexico is only 30 years.
Well, in this case, he would be out in 15-16 the real time in prison is not 26 years.
That's not how it works in the UK
@@vlimavlima44nope there is no early release for murder and there is no release at all for 1st degree murder. It's just that he gets 10 minutes every decade to prove he isn't a danger anymore, but they don't grant parole for planned murders (at least as long as they are able to hold a weapon)
Why do I get the feeling Josh is actually going to enjoy all the attention he'll be getting from his fellow male inmates?
I bet he'll love hearing: "You got a REAL purty mouth, boy!"
Beautifully done with her thoughts at the end and the dying rose. It is unbelievably difficult to hold hope in your heart when others hunt that out to kill it. I truly wish the police had recorded the first woman’s account and had taken it seriously. None of us would know Molly’s name this way, and her incredible light would still be here fighting the darkness. 💔
Wow how terrible! Prayers for both families!
Her supportive message got me,
Rest in peace beautiful Molly 🌻
I know they were right in the end anyway, but it's really depressing that people will assume you're a huge red flag if you aren't talkative and don't really have friends. Some people are shy and have a hard time making friends, don't assume all of them are terrible people.
True. I am super quiet because I am really shy lol
I like to think that however shy you are, you would have a friend or two. I also think that, that fact alone wasn't why they thought he was weird but rather a combination with others too such like leaving his job to be with her, turning up uninvited, demanding her undivided attention. People don't do that normally.
The shy, quiet part isn't the problem. The problem is demanding your partner not be their confident, outgoing self and instead mimick that isolating behavior
Yeah that's definitely a huge assumption. I don't have a lot of " friends " either, but it definitely isn't from a lack of trying. It's more so understanding if the friend benefits you in anyway. If the friend is always negative then they aren't worth having in your life.
Si la police avait bien fait son travail avant, Molly serait toujours en vie...😪
C était un vrai pervers narcissique 😡
Paix à son âme 🙏❤🌹
Et toutes mes condoléances à ses parents ❤
Why does the justice system in England and the UK think that such short sentences are punishment enough for people like this?? Then when he gets out they will give him a new identity. It just puts all women at risk. It's ridiculous.
Thats Bollocks, its a minimum of 26 years ,the Narrators fault, the new identity bit is Bollocks also., even Child Killers dont get new identities if there ever released at all.
Nothing to do with the justice system.... They can't be with people in gyms and bars 24/7 If they did, then they wouldn't get any work done. We need to stop putting accountability on the police, they are not nannies of the state..... Social media is the demon, the girl knew she was exposed and going tp a local gym alone then confronting him and taking pictures to post to friends, was irresponsible. People need to stop posting their lives online, sure, everyone is entitled to do what they want with their life, but to be honest, knowing he was a Psycho and literally admitting it vocally and in messages to friends should have been enough of a red flag for her to at least go offline for a while. He was bipolar, mentally ill, and antagonised.... She is not to blame for her death or circumstances, but we all have a responsibility to take heed, and take precautions for our own welfare.. Molly was literally naive, displaying her whole world online k owing he was envious of her, and it was all done constantly right under his nose. She should never have been alone, or felt so comfortable to have been. She should never have been within even one radius of him, but it seems she was...... Sadly, the maniac found an opportunity to take her life, but I wonder if she had taken different steps to avoid him, and not post every miniscule detail of her daily life so he could trackher every move, would things have truly been different....who knows!!
I’m so sorry Molly. I am so so sorry. RIP little baby. ❤
I’ve known narcissists and he’s one for sure!
Their biggest advantage is a highly empathetic person who’s Ignorant of narcissistic manipulation.
Intimate relationships are where they generally get A grade narcissistic supply. Molly must’ve been A grade supply for him to be motivated enough to kill her.
This is eerily similar to the Alice Riggles case, where a girl in England was being stalked physically and online by her ex-boyfriend, and eventually he came to her house and stabbed her to death.
It’s so scary to consider the point where her doubt turned to fear and she felt trapped with an absolute psycho
Now, everywhere Josh goes, his new cellmate, Bubba, will have to know where he’s at.
Gotta Luv It…