Stock or overclock? IMPORTANT: MSI Afterburner is not able to display the core clock for the entire 9000 series from AMD, and this is why you will not see the CPU speed in the side by side runs. Their is a section of the video, from 11:07 where the clock are displayed side by side in a few side by side runs.
We’ve known this for a long time. Overclocking doesn’t really give much of anything anymore. Great for its time, but in the age of modern CPUs, it best just to leave things at stock settings. Undervolting may still be a viable playground for those seeking more efficiency, but that’s about it folks.
Well, the memory used it's overclocked, and I i have used tweeked timings. The reality is that in order to see any benefits, you really need low settings, at mid yo high settings and above 1080p, it's not worth it on a x3D CPU. Memory tweeks help a lot the non x3d CPUs when FLCK=MLCK.
I remember when I first did an all core overclock of 4.1 GHz on my Ryzen 5 1500X the performance difference was night and day. And it was fun, CPU overclocking just isn't fun anymore. At least the magic hasn't been lost yet for GPU overclocking
In a CPU bound competitive game like Tarkov makes overclocking a difference. Im running it with 9800x3d+4080 Super. +200, CO -40. I get overclocked 15-20 more fps. Depends on which location im on the map. In single player games with a gpu usage on 100% doesnt makes sense to oc….undervolting with CO is a nice choice to push your temps down for example…btw thx for the comparison vid!👊🥂
Does the -40 CPU undervolt work for you. I'm asking because if you use an aggressive all core negative value you may lose clock speeds. This is what I found on my CPU. Have you tried with different values and measured the clocks using Hwinfo64?
@ Yes i did try other values cause after a while the -40 got unstable. Right now i‘m runnin with: CO -25, +200, PBO Scalar 8x. Btw im only using HWInfo64 with RTSS for monitoring
@ I think yours can do that as well just need to tweak the bios settings a bit. Try my setting and test it. I‘ve a 6000 CL30, my FCLK is set to 2000 and MEMCLK=UCLK. I get now even more fps than before. At least 20-30% more
I have done this and in Cenabench it does not make the cores go to the full speed. Also, doesn't seem like that much benefit on OCing. I would have thought it would help with the GPU utilization meeting the 99% use?
I think that the benefits are minor. The 4080 Super so a bit of a bottleneck, but the performance benefits are minimal. At the end of a day it's a 200mhz invrease, some games may see benefits others not, especially when the GPU is at 100% utilization.
Its better to undervolt little bit and increase cpu life span. I will probably oc cpu if i encounter significant stuttering in star citizen or msfs or future version of acc in vr.
In the side by side runs? MSI Afterburner doesn't report the 9000 series clock speed. Adding the Hwinfo64 info would had clutter the UI. Check the part where I show in game clocks.
Well, when you are GPU bound, that willl be the case, when you are not, it's a small performance bump of a few FPS. If it was bigger, AMD would have made the CPU to go up to 5425Mhz by default.
@@casuallygamin9 that small performance bump is too small and in situations in which I wouldn't be in :D Now, can you the same but for different memory settings? Maybe even overclocking a bit the memory?
It will deliver good performance either way, but probably a bit more when overcloked. Also, competitive games are hard to test, and internal benchmarks don't reflect the actual in game performance, this is why I dtay clear of those.
@@casuallygamin9 Esport pannel comming next year will probably be 540hz oled dyac monitor. Need to see if we are above those 540 in 1280x960 for cs, at least thats what I m looking for
I think you are. But you are in the minority. And like I said, competitive games are hard to benchmark. I attempted to do so in the past, but I was getting huge variation between runs. Server latency plays a role, as well as players on the screen, and other actions and effects that can affect the bench run, things that can't be reproduced in another run. And I don't feel comfortable reporting the framerate from an area where I'm alone with no action around me and letting people think that they will always have that framerate.
@@ertohsp8650 i have 9800x3d paired with 4090 and Tforce 6000mhz ram… Ram overclock to 6400mhz with tighter timings CPU overclocked to 5.4ghz In black ops 6 i get on Avg cpu score around: 30-40 fps more Stock: 411fps OC: 449fps In CS2 on benchmark i get: 1440p: Stock: 789 Fps average Overclocked: 925 Fps average 1080p: Overclocked: 975 fps average 1280x960; Overclocked: 999.2 fps average In valorant deathmatch i get around 900-1200 fps (only deathmatch tested and also 1440p) Can send you some screenshots if u want
Stock or overclock?
IMPORTANT: MSI Afterburner is not able to display the core clock for the entire 9000 series from AMD, and this is why you will not see the CPU speed in the side by side runs. Their is a section of the video, from 11:07 where the clock are displayed side by side in a few side by side runs.
We’ve known this for a long time. Overclocking doesn’t really give much of anything anymore. Great for its time, but in the age of modern CPUs, it best just to leave things at stock settings. Undervolting may still be a viable playground for those seeking more efficiency, but that’s about it folks.
As I was expecting, it's better to use stock and not stress about trying to get a few more FPS. Thanks for the review
Well, the memory used it's overclocked, and I i have used tweeked timings. The reality is that in order to see any benefits, you really need low settings, at mid yo high settings and above 1080p, it's not worth it on a x3D CPU. Memory tweeks help a lot the non x3d CPUs when FLCK=MLCK.
I remember when I first did an all core overclock of 4.1 GHz on my Ryzen 5 1500X the performance difference was night and day. And it was fun, CPU overclocking just isn't fun anymore. At least the magic hasn't been lost yet for GPU overclocking
The reality is that now you have PBO and the CPU clock goes up to a certain degree if the temps are allowing it
Brotheerrr. I like your attention to detail
In a CPU bound competitive game like Tarkov makes overclocking a difference. Im running it with 9800x3d+4080 Super. +200, CO -40. I get overclocked 15-20 more fps. Depends on which location im on the map. In single player games with a gpu usage on 100% doesnt makes sense to oc….undervolting with CO is a nice choice to push your temps down for example…btw thx for the comparison vid!👊🥂
Does the -40 CPU undervolt work for you. I'm asking because if you use an aggressive all core negative value you may lose clock speeds. This is what I found on my CPU. Have you tried with different values and measured the clocks using Hwinfo64?
@ Yes i did try other values cause after a while the -40 got unstable. Right now i‘m runnin with: CO -25, +200, PBO Scalar 8x. Btw im only using HWInfo64 with RTSS for monitoring
You have a better sample then mine. I can use -15, as -20 made a game crush. Seems that I was unlucky
@ I think yours can do that as well just need to tweak the bios settings a bit. Try my setting and test it. I‘ve a 6000 CL30, my FCLK is set to 2000 and MEMCLK=UCLK. I get now even more fps than before. At least 20-30% more
I forgot to mention that I'm using 6400c30, if=2133, with uclk=mclk. So far -15 is stable
I have done this and in Cenabench it does not make the cores go to the full speed. Also, doesn't seem like that much benefit on OCing. I would have thought it would help with the GPU utilization meeting the 99% use?
I think that the benefits are minor. The 4080 Super so a bit of a bottleneck, but the performance benefits are minimal. At the end of a day it's a 200mhz invrease, some games may see benefits others not, especially when the GPU is at 100% utilization.
Its better to undervolt little bit and increase cpu life span. I will probably oc cpu if i encounter significant stuttering in star citizen or msfs or future version of acc in vr.
Yes, undervoltinh is better, but you can undervolt and OC, still the VCore will always go up as opposed to stock
And the clock?😮
In the side by side runs? MSI Afterburner doesn't report the 9000 series clock speed. Adding the Hwinfo64 info would had clutter the UI. Check the part where I show in game clocks.
Is ram important?
To a lesser extent then on non x3d CPUs
So overclocking with 200MHz is close to zero influence, specially in 4k/RT.
Well, when you are GPU bound, that willl be the case, when you are not, it's a small performance bump of a few FPS. If it was bigger, AMD would have made the CPU to go up to 5425Mhz by default.
@@casuallygamin9 that small performance bump is too small and in situations in which I wouldn't be in :D
Now, can you the same but for different memory settings?
Maybe even overclocking a bit the memory?
Hi, we need a cs2 lol valorant test, only game were it matters pls :)
I think that there it will not matter. Would you say that going from 520 FPS to 550 would matter that much?
It will deliver good performance either way, but probably a bit more when overcloked. Also, competitive games are hard to test, and internal benchmarks don't reflect the actual in game performance, this is why I dtay clear of those.
@@casuallygamin9 Esport pannel comming next year will probably be 540hz oled dyac monitor. Need to see if we are above those 540 in 1280x960 for cs, at least thats what I m looking for
I think you are. But you are in the minority. And like I said, competitive games are hard to benchmark. I attempted to do so in the past, but I was getting huge variation between runs. Server latency plays a role, as well as players on the screen, and other actions and effects that can affect the bench run, things that can't be reproduced in another run. And I don't feel comfortable reporting the framerate from an area where I'm alone with no action around me and letting people think that they will always have that framerate.
@@ertohsp8650 i have 9800x3d paired with 4090 and Tforce 6000mhz ram…
Ram overclock to 6400mhz with tighter timings
CPU overclocked to 5.4ghz
In black ops 6 i get on Avg cpu score around: 30-40 fps more
Stock: 411fps
OC: 449fps
In CS2 on benchmark i get:
1440p:
Stock: 789 Fps average
Overclocked: 925 Fps average
1080p:
Overclocked: 975 fps average
1280x960;
Overclocked: 999.2 fps average
In valorant deathmatch i get around 900-1200 fps (only deathmatch tested and also 1440p)
Can send you some screenshots if u want