Even if you are a pcp shooter everyone should have a quality springer in their safe for days when you don't feel like messing with all the tanks/compressor gear.
The black synthetic version is called the HW97KT Blackline I purchased this rifle a few years ago in .22 and NOTHING in my collection comes anywhere close to the 1 hole accuracy at 25-30 yards!
Might not have been the best shooting, but I love your presentation skill. So natural, fluid, articulate grouped with your intelligence and also modesty, makes you a very, very competent and enjoyable presenter. Thanks for the vid.
Just picked one of these up here in Australia 14 lbs version, just an excellent accurate air gun , I was tossing up whether to buy a pcp ,but couldn't be bothered with air tanks or pumps . This 97 k is extremely precise rifle and i couldn't be happier with my purchase.
Great Review and run through of the HW97K. I bought my HW97K about 15year ago to have a bit of fun with my neighbour that was plinking out the back garden, Shot it for about 1 mouth then it when back in the case ! 15year later back out of case ! ABSOLUTELY LOVING IT ! ! But ( not ) resetting the safety was always an issue thanks for that vary helpful information, Should have known the German engineering would not have left a gun without a return to safety mechanism. THANKS AGAIN.
Awesome 😀 . I always come back to my 97k .(better made than AA) something about german steel (barrels) dumped my bantam , nothing like NOT filling a rifle to shoot, be it a pellet or tin of pellets , once bedded in these / things tune themselves with wear ,iv spent weeks tuning etc , and iv shot untuned versions just run in normally after a year or two , they almost shoot as well , soon becoming glassy smooth to cock and shoot
I polished up the internals dropped in a tuning kit and a sheet of PTFE/Teflon around the spring on mine. It feels so good to shoot now no twang and little barrel flip with a straight back recoil, when I concentrate and shoot properly it groups just as well as my HW100. I topped it off with a Hawke 6-24 x 50 airmax 30 SF compact which I think is a great scope for it plenty of magnification for realistic distances and leaves plenty of space for loading. It shoots H&H FTT and JSB Exact well but its favourite pellet seems to be the JSB Exact heavies.
@@jempro1674 I have swapped out for an Optisan 10x44 scope because I thought about giving HFT a go with it and it is the same scope as I use on my HW100.I think though I am still using the same siightmark adjustable mounts as I needed the adjustment to get a zero.
Excellent video! I have this exact rifle and love it. Still have second thoughts about 177 vs 22 barrel size. If Weirauch made the FPS equal for the 22 version, I would have picked the 22 without hesitation, but currently the 22 version has a big FPS drop compared to the 177. For my modest backyard use the 22 would have probably been the better choice, as pellet drop isn't much of a factor for smaller distances. A good target for this rifle is a printable PDF file with 1/2 inch black dots. I shoot one pellet at each dot, and the page has about 50 dots. These targets can be downloaded online, and printed out.
Not all 97’s like the same pellet for some reason. I put five shots on top of each other with the H&N FTT. It was only 30 yards but I could cover the five shots with a dime.
@@chadpilkington8405 I think I'll give them a go and see what they are like. To my shock I found that RWS hobby pellets which look and kind of are like cheap crappy pellets actually are far more accurate in my 97 than the top of the range Weihrauch ones. Just bought the top of the range RWS ones but not tested thouroughly yet to give an outcome but seem really accurate too.
Great review, thank you for posting. Got to say that your honesty regarding your grouping was well founded. I have a 97 with a TBT drop in kit and have made dozens of single hole grouping over 30 metres. Its accuracy, along with my Walther LGV, was enough for me to sell both my Daystates (Wolverine R and Red Wolf). There is a purity with the springers I just didn't get with the PCPs and as such always enjoy shooting them. Simply put, PCPs in comparison are soulless. As far as comparing the 97 with offerings from AA, apples and pears. The entry level 97 is several hundred pounds less than the TX200 which makes the 97 so much better value. Out of the box, the TX is way better but spend a few quid on fettling the 97 and they are neck and neck. Great vid and keep 'em comin'....
Thanks very much, and we're glad you enjoyed the video. HW's 97 and 77, along with the AA TX200 and ProSport are, in my view, the best springers available. The LGV and LGU were up there when they were in production. And I agree that shooting a springer is more of an experience than many PCPs, and I enjoy shooting mine as much now as I have ever done. But for pest control and hunting I simply know I am a better shot with a PCP, and that has to be the right thing by quarry. Thanks very much for watching.
Very acurate gun even better with the trop in kits. It can take sum abuse to unlike most precharged, with there delicate free floating barrels. Always knocking them out in the field n loosing zero.. well made springer everytime.
Love you videos Richard, you come across to the camera really well and give such a nice in-depth review. I’ve had the 77 and 97 but shoot a pro sport now I think the air arms are a bit nicer to shoot and more refined. Also air arms are a lot easier to strip down compared to the German ones.
Thanks very much Paul. I love the big bore sporting rifle look of the Pro Sport. Thanks for the supportive comments and taking the time to give them. Rich.
Yes same here, l always had Weihrauch's my last 6 months ago was a 97 and 95 both in .22 Yr right AA do shoot better, and more accurate, my Pro Sport in Walnut .22 Definitely more accurate, l find it's suited to RWS Superfield and AA Diablo field, l took my bear trap out of the aluminium rail, don't like um at all, took it out of the 97 as well but refitted it when l sold, l prefer just keep hold of cocking lever, l recommend moly grease all over the spring, a good coat, keeps it quiet to, someone recommended motorcycle chain lube.
i have the same model and love it use it for pest control as am a pest controller and it is so smooth and accurate even after being thumped around in the back of my van all day. rifle is heavy but when shouldered weight is evened out and you don't notice it.
Hi nice to see you shooting under levers. I have a HW 77 and love it. But two guns that never get talked about are the BSA Superstar underlever with a rolling breech. And the BSA Goldstar underlever with a 10 shot mag both very good and very accurate Rifles.
Mine is a k ., but is a black synthetic, nickel plated , recently dropped in a tbt, tuning kit, almost zero recoil , you can put a pellet on the breach and shoot the gun, 9 times out of 10 it moves 1 mm and stays on, as can be seen on my UA-cam shaneweightman. Thanks and great review Shane uk
Another great review Richard, I have a HW77 se in .177 with a V-mach kit which I enjoy shooting any free time I have. The 97 and 77 are truly great... If they weren't they wouldn't have been copied! 😀
Thorough, detailed Review. Answered all the relevant questions, and they "flow" making attention so easy. Your reviews are among the finest on UA-cam. Other Reviewers - Note and Learn. Thank you.
Great review as always, thank you. I really like my 97kt and, for some reason I can be more accurate with it than the Air Arms underlevers. I have the synthetic and nickel version and I’ve put a tin bum kit in it. It makes for an improved shot cycle and takes any twang away. Thanks again and keep them coming please.
Hi Richard you can re engage the safety catch if cocked just pull down on the cocking lever till you hear a click then the safety is engaged again cheers phill
Hi Phil - yes indeed. And the same works for most other HW springers. Its just that you can't re-engage the safety simply pushing the button from the other side. In the real world its really not an issue. Thanks for watching.
@@jempro1674 I thought I had replied before but I cant see the message. the gun is doing great. the synthetic stock is great and doesnt feel to be cheap. the craftsmanship of the entire build is top notch. still shoots like a new gun very happy with the buy.
I'm a Noob with Air Rifling . I've never fired a airgun before. I bought a HW97K with wood stock and installed a 4x16x40 Athlon Talos scope. Today after 14 break-in shots, after I had inserted a pellet into the breech, the lever flew out of my left palm at super sonic speed, connected to the latch at the top AND at the same time it dry fired with the safety ON. Pulled down the lever again and the pellet was still in the breech. GOOD I can get off another round. Only trouble is the lever won't go back to the top. It's 4 inches shy of doing so. After the repairs maybe I should trade this one in for another airgun. Something without a LEVER.
Hi Richard. The HW97K is a very well-engineered rifle, and well made. Did you buy the rifle new or second hand? And did you buy it from a gun shop or a private individual? If so, then my advice would be to take the rifle back to wherever you bought it from. It sounds to me that the trigger sear has either failed or has been set too light. But get it back to wherever you bought it from and insist it is fixed. If it is brand new that won't be an issue. If it was bought used from a gun shop they should still put things right. If you bought it used from a private individual you can try to get them to do the right thing, but suspect you will have to eat the cost of repairs yourself ☹. Let us know how you get on.
Good review. I had most under levers in my collection but sold them to reduce collection size. The only springer I simply could not part with is the Walther LGU. I am as accurate with that as I am with my PCP’s! Try one out. Different league.
Hi Richard. I've been talking to air-gunners about thumbhole stocks. Generally it's considered (from feedback) that the sporter is the better lighter grip for a springer and it's recoil action, although funny enough a lot of people prefer the thumbhole for balance and stability ?? I guess you have to hold the pistol grip lightly. Interested to know your thoughts and maybe this would make a good video for you to do, explaining the different purposes of various stocks and their advantages/disadvantages? ATB MMMD
My 97kt loves RWS SUPERDOME one hole groups at 30 yards with no wind , the only downside is for lugging around the fields for 2 or 3 hours its a bit weighty so have just brought a 95k, the 97kt I'll use for static shoots
@@airgunextra your welcome , Grest channel , by the way have you checked out the Vector Veyron Compact scopes , I brought one for my 97kt, great scope to keep the length and weight down, also mrad reticle and turrets
@@JG-fv9bv Hi Jon. Thank you very much, and thanks for taking the time to comment. No, I haven't tried the Vector Veyron scopes yet, but I hear good things about them. I just finished reviewing a couple of ZEISS scope though, and the video should be coming up very soon.
Hi Richard since i subscribed to your channel a couple of weeks ago, i'm steadily catching up with your content, this one i particularly like, when i came back to Air Guns some 5-6 years ago i started with a Remington Express & i decided from there this was to be my future hobby, so my first premium Rifle was the HW97KT as per this video, it truly was a great Rifle, so after many PCP rifles later i recently decided to go back to a premium springer again, the 97 was on the top of my list until i saw your review on the ProSport, so i now am the proud owner of a new ProSport with walnut stock & what a stunning looking Rifle it is , so many thanks for your quality reviews.
Stunning rifles. And yes, I can pull off a better group than that, I just can't do it consistently! Oh well, that's why we have a vocabulary that includes words not to be spoken in front of women and children.
My 77K 1986 made in west germany mserial number 1001 tasco,4x16x40 shootsnlike a dream still i had thismfrom new when i was 15 its been a great riffle from the day i brought 45m target shooting al in a new five pence ,out in the fileds pigeons rabbits at 45/50 meters layed up still favout springers over pcp,the weights nothing if you handle them a lot
Another great video Rich 👍 i shoot one of these almost as much as my pcps! I'm not the best springer shooter, but even in my hands, this is super accurate! Fave pellet is the qys streamline heavy. It's really great to see your channel content remaining so varied and you haven't succumbed to a certain vogue brand. Keep up the good work mukka 👍
Rich thanks so much for showing me that the gun can be armed with a pallet by re cocking the under lever if by mistake I close the breach without loading the pallet. and what is best is that the lock can be re engaged as well
Hello Richard Saunders, excellent videos and reviews, this hw97kt is my favorite spring rifle, I love the thumbhole stock, unfortunately when I bought mine, I wanted to save some change and bought it in synthetic, now to compensate I want a tx200hc, in walnut, It is also very beautiful and comfortable, Mr. Richard what is your opinion of the Walther LGU , cheers.
Hi Luis. The Walther LGU is a lovely gun - very smooth and contains many of the tuning enhancements normally done by after market tuners. It is pretty heavy though. Its also going out of production so if you can find one don't hang around too long!
The LGU and LGV are fantastic rifles. Better shot cycle out of the box than my TX and 97. Not pellet fussy or as hold sensitive as either. It's absolutely stupid that Walther decided to discontinue both models. All they needed to do was improve the trigger unit and these would've become iconic guns like the TX and 97 in due time.
Hi Richard, that group wasn't that bad but I know what you mean you can do better but turning the camera on can throw all that up in the air don't you know it, love your videos keep the springers coming atb Dave
I don't know whether you or your audience can help me but I had my car stolen (a Ford Focus 2.5L TDCi "Sport" reg GL53 OYW) back in 2005 and among the items in it was (other than my All Saints CDs) was my HW97K I used for "rough" shooting (bunnies, hares, peasants, I mean pheasants, and farm vermin et all). I can get another 97K but what I am unable to remember (due to the 5 strokes I've had since then) is the make/model of my scope: I'm sure it was 4-16x50 AO IR (5 red/green) and with a sun-shade that would overlap the breech slide by at least 2 inches (making loading very awkward). I have searched the web for years trying to work out the scope I had but alas have been unsuccessful, I know it was NOT a Hawk and may have been by Edgar and Brothers. If anyone who sees this has some idea of what it may have been I would be eternally grateful.
Sorry to hear that, and that you've had some health challenges. I'm afraid I can't help with the scope, but have you tried 'The Airgun Forum'? Lots of very helpful and knowledgeable people on there who might be able to help. Good luck.
@@airgunextra I have not heard of that forum so will try on there, but many thanks for your prompt reply and direction - due to the impact my strokes have had on my eyesight I very much doubt I'll ever shoot again which hurts as I started shooting from 1983 as an Air Cadet in competition (7.62 SLR and .303 Lee Enfiled RAF/ATC full-bore competition and many other calibres as a member of Seal and Shoreham Gun Club in Kent in the '80s) but my passion was "rough" shooting in the fields and woods around Boxley with my 97K and "that" scope - I literally wanted to find out what the scope was so I could potentially have my "old outfit" mounted on my wall for old-times-sake.
@@airgunextra I live in the USA now but I was stationed at RAF Upper Heyford in your lovely country for 5 years. You good folks are really blessed, England is beautiful! but anyway, while there I did have a really nice German made Weihrauch in .22 and we loved going out and bagging some of the bunny's in the Cotswold's. A lady from Church has a French recipe and boy those rabbits tasted good! Enjoy your fine rifles, and may God bless you good folk!
I have started sizing my pellets and shot a few 5 to 7mm 5 shot groups at 20m with my 97kt Silverline. I was disappointed that the kt blackline and silverline do not have adjustable butt pads
Hi Paul. Most scopes - I use MTC mainly and a few Hawkes - will be fine. The scope in the video was very old. Newer scopes are a little more compact. Thanks for watching.
So the question remains would you say from all the underlever you have tested which one sticks in your mine to be the better of the bunch or are they all as equal to one another.
Andy, that really is a tough one to answer. The bottom line is that they will all punch pellets through the same hole all day long. And they are all beautifully made. I'd say the Air Arms are nicer to look at, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder! I liked shooting the HW97 in particular, but that is probably because I had one back in the 80s so definitely a soft spot there. I also prefer a traditional stock over a thumbhole. It really comes down to what you can afford I think. It is of course really hard right now, but if you get the chance to see them in the flesh or put them to your shoulder one will leap out as a favourite. Sorry can't be more specific than that! Which one would you have?
@@airgunextra So im torn between air arms and weihrauch at the moment as they both offer great value for money and the same class in the accuracy stakes but my gut tells me that weihrauch would be the better bit from the crop as it as stand the test of time?
@@Andy-ow2cx I don' think I helped much did I Andy! Truth is the Air Arms rifles have been around a long time as well. You really need to see both in the flesh if at all. The good thing is that there is no wrong decision here - they are all excellent rifles.
Andy its agreed that Weihrauch HW 97 and Air arms TX200 are together on top of the best springers rifles in their make , beauty, accuracy, reliability and great crafstmanship. take anyo of the two and you cant get wrong.
Its pretty quiet for a springer, but still audible. I guess it depends on how big your garden is. Its certainly more quiet than music played from a neighbour's house with the window open. Most of the time most of the noise results from pellets hitting your targets/back stop rather than leaving your rifle. If you reduce the noise from targets/backstop you're on your way.
Your neighbours will hear it especially when it's quiet. I used a tx200hc and had 1 of the next door neighbours look over the fence and the other neighbour said they'll call the police.. I went to the police station just to let them know in case those retards call them and say im shooting a gun and have armed police at my house. and they told me a told me I can shoot it if its my garden & neighbours can't do anything about it.
Nice looking rifle. I had to rewatch the part about the safety. While its a nice feature that it automatically puts it on safe when cocking, not being able to engage the safety anytime you want without recocking the rifle seems absurd and shortsighted. Guess I will look at a tx200. How does this compare to other quality springers for field target?
That's great Elian, Gamo make some great rifles. Do you drive a Ferrari or a Ford? Not that I have anything against Ford's - in fact I have one - but my point is that both will get you down the shops but one is a more enjoyable experience than the other.
weiruch manufactures fine powerful air rifles, but the disadvantage is the charging method when you can remove your thumb. Webley has a better construction.
amigo una pregunta tu que usaste mucho tiempo los hw97 que calibre me recomiendas para comprarme un rifle hw97 pero necesito saber cual me funcionara mejor para la caza de palomas y conejos en calibre 4.5 o en 5.5.
Thanks for the video, now I have better clear idea, I will take the Weihrauch than other, can you kindly suggest also the tipe of aptics that is better use, the proposal il for field/hunting shot, Thanks
Great review sir , im thinking of investing in a tuned 97 synthetic , can you shoot a springer off quad sticks or would it upset the harmonics , and can you get that adjustable butt pad to fit a synthetic stock
Hi Davy. Thanks very much. I've not tried it, but I see no reason why you couldn't shoot an HW97K off quad sticks, especially a tuned one. Shooting a springer accurately is all about ensuring your hold and position is consistent so the rifle recoils the same way each time. For some reason, the black synthetic stock doesn't come with the adjustable butt pad of the wooden stock rifle. I am sure that it would be possible to buy an after market butt pad. In fact I had a quick flirt online and saw several products advertised. Good luck!
Its a UK sub-12 ft. lbs. rifle, putting out , I think 11.4 ft. lbs. I'm not convinced about slugs in sub 12 ft. lbs. rifles. I tested some really light H&N non-lead slugs and could only get about 7 ft. lbs. from them, which was a real disappointment because they weighed the same as regular pellets - around 16 grains if I recall correctly. When I asked the chap at H&N he explained that the issue is that slugs have more contact with the barrel and therefore generate more friction which slows them down...Thanks for watching.
Hi Mark. Scopes are a really personal thing, and of course budget is a factor. I use MYC scopes an awful lot - the Cobra F1 is a real favourite and first focal plane. And Hawke scopes are a safe choice. In terms of mounts, you need a set that will mount the scope as low to the action as possible to negate the effect of cant - when you hold the rifle off the vertical plane. Sportsmatch UK is a good site to look over as it will recommend mounts for different spec scopes. www.sportsmatch-uk.com/
I've got 2 hw97ks I've got the stainless one in .22 but the blackline stock is in a gunmetal grey I haven't found anyone else with this stock I bought it in the sportsman gun centre I also got the blue laminate hw97k in .25 which is an awsome rifle the both rifles are as accurate as my PCP rifles.
@@airgunextra I guess it's always a personal thing. I'm getting the 95K purely because I think the slightly lighter rifle will suit me better mate. Thanks for all your help. MMMD
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Thanks Stuart. In fact we're planning on lining up some more Weihrauch springers, so watch this space! The HW90 has to be one of the finest gas rams on the market. Thanks very much for watching.
Great review i have just started looking for a higher end air rifle to have fun with but also hunt small game With. In the same price range as the 97 is there anything that would a be better air rifle to look at not looking to spend much more than say 500 to 600 I've seen the 97 for just under 600
Thanks very much. The Air Arms ProSport and TX200 are both worth taking a look, so too is the Weihrauch HW77. We've reviewed them all on the channel and they are all within your budget. Thanks for watching.
Trying to decide on the HW97 or Air Arms Pro sport? I want a hunting gun, so accuracy out of the box is important to me, as I cant easily get to expert tuning. I understand that Walther LGU is the most accurate "out of the box" gun around, however thin on the ground, availability wise.
Hi Wiliam. Unfortunately, the Walther LGU is no longer made, though there may well be a few left in the retail chain, and of course second hand. They are extremely well made and marketed as 'tuned out of the box'. Certainly it a fine rifle, if a little heavy. The HW97 and ProSport are excellent too and there's little to pick between them in terms of performance. The HW97K has some adjustment on the stock that the Air Arms doesn't. If you can, shoulder them both to see which feels more comfortable. You won't make a bad or wrong decision between them. Good luck.
@@airgunextra many thanks for the sound advice. I am a lefty so I will be checking everything carefully. I would probably have to buy the LGU without seeing, but the other model are in major resellers to walk in and try.
Brilliant content sir - but the presence of completely superfluous muzak is completely grating! Do you think your average audience member will want muzak detracting from the actual content? Sure - I can just 'move along' to the next video - but your content is good.
I have the 97 in .22, the Gun is in my opinion the best under lever spinger on the market........my one and only criticism is.....you can't de- cock the gun, I don't know why weihrauch didn't incorporate this action to work in conjuntion with the safety catch 🤔🤔🤔🤔👍👍👍👍
Remove the abt if you wanna decock a 97. Just remove the action from the stock and undo the nut that takes the front trigger screw. 10 mins work including the rebuild.
@@airgunextra great clip mate. But a properly tuned 97 inc bearings,piston and transfer port modifications will shoot like a pcp with ease, even at 16+ ft lbs. Another thing to consider is remove the abt. If you do away with the abt you can decock the 97 in the same way as most break barrel rifles. Pull the underlever down, click the safety off, keep a firm hold on the lever, and pull the trigger. These things are unbelievably accurate out to huge distances, and once tuned they are as quiet and gentle as a pea shooter. 👍
The answer is : Yes. Both are great, both will put pellets through the same hole all day long and both cost around the same. It really comes down to which one you like the look and feel of to be honest. I know that doesn't help much! The good thing is that you won't make a bad choice either way...Thanks for watching.
@@frogmarched6869 The Omega is a lovely rifle. I have a Webley Vulcan form the 80s and love it. The four underlevers we've reviewed are another class though! Thanks for watching.
Whats sad is that we adults in the uk can only use sub 12ft lbs which in America and most other countries is what their children use for plinking and playing with, they are toys to everyone else, its just so embarrassing, really...!
@@airgunextra They are not that easy to obtain ive heard, even with a minor history, all im interested in is air rifles, i have no reason or use for powder rifles, its a shame that there isnt separate less strict solely air rifle licences so people like myself could actually stand half a chance. Thanks for replying ✊
Sorry to hear that. Have you tried: 1) cleaning the barrel (I prefer a pull through rather than felt pellets) 2) trying different pellet brands 3) making sure all the stock bolts and screws are done up firmly 4) using decent mounts on your scope and making sure they are secured properly 5) checked for scope creep - this is where the scope will move backwards slightly under recoil. An arrestor block or arrestor stud in the rear mount will solve the problem 6) put the rifle over a chrono to make sure it is shooting consistently (within 20 fps over 10 shots). If you've tried all these and still have a problem, it may well be worth sending the rifle for a professional tune/service. It doesn't cost a fortune and will transform your rifle. I can recommend Lyn Lewington at ARC Tuning - he's a genius with springers and Weihrauchs in particular. I hope you work it out.
Even if you are a pcp shooter everyone should have a quality springer in their safe for days when you don't feel like messing with all the tanks/compressor gear.
The black synthetic version is called the HW97KT Blackline I purchased this rifle a few years ago in .22 and NOTHING in my collection comes anywhere close to the 1 hole accuracy at 25-30 yards!
Might not have been the best shooting, but I love your presentation skill. So natural, fluid, articulate grouped with your intelligence and also modesty, makes you a very, very competent and enjoyable presenter.
Thanks for the vid.
What a great, honest, respectable message, and very deserving. Great respect to both parties!
Just picked one of these up here in Australia 14 lbs version, just an excellent accurate air gun , I was tossing up whether to buy a pcp ,but couldn't be bothered with air tanks or pumps . This 97 k is extremely precise rifle and i couldn't be happier with my purchase.
What kind of useful range are you getting from her?
@@jakenconor So far only out to 30 m .Target and Indian minor birds . Single hole groups are the norm . Love it.
just ordered from Portugel (sp),, 3-5 days,,, hope so,, cant wait
Just wondering if Australia has a legal power limit for air rifles before you have to have a firearms licence?
Dealers love selling PCP rifles at up to £2000-00 but none want to offer the purchaser a refill service!
Great Review and run through of the HW97K.
I bought my HW97K about 15year ago to have a bit of fun with my neighbour that was plinking out the back garden,
Shot it for about 1 mouth then it when back in the case !
15year later back out of case !
ABSOLUTELY LOVING IT ! !
But ( not ) resetting the safety was always an issue thanks for that vary helpful information,
Should have known the German engineering would not have left a gun without a return to safety mechanism.
THANKS AGAIN.
Awesome 😀 . I always come back to my 97k .(better made than AA) something about german steel (barrels) dumped my bantam , nothing like NOT filling a rifle to shoot, be it a pellet or tin of pellets , once bedded in these / things tune themselves with wear ,iv spent weeks tuning etc , and iv shot untuned versions just run in normally after a year or two , they almost shoot as well , soon becoming glassy smooth to cock and shoot
I polished up the internals dropped in a tuning kit and a sheet of PTFE/Teflon around the spring on mine. It feels so good to shoot now no twang and little barrel flip with a straight back recoil, when I concentrate and shoot properly it groups just as well as my HW100. I topped it off with a Hawke 6-24 x 50 airmax 30 SF compact which I think is a great scope for it plenty of magnification for realistic distances and leaves plenty of space for loading.
It shoots H&H FTT and JSB Exact well but its favourite pellet seems to be the JSB Exact heavies.
Which exact mounts do you use. I have a 97k and same scope with 57mm outside diameter. TIA.
@@jempro1674 I have swapped out for an Optisan 10x44 scope because I thought about giving HFT a go with it and it is the same scope as I use on my HW100.I think though I am still using the same siightmark adjustable mounts as I needed the adjustment to get a zero.
@@PurpleDracos Thanks. HW97 mounts for Hawke Airmax 56mm Outside/Diameter.
Excellent video! I have this exact rifle and love it. Still have second thoughts about 177 vs 22 barrel size. If Weirauch made the FPS equal for the 22 version, I would have picked the 22 without hesitation, but currently the 22 version has a big FPS drop compared to the 177.
For my modest backyard use the 22 would have probably been the better choice, as pellet drop isn't much of a factor for smaller distances.
A good target for this rifle is a printable PDF file with 1/2 inch black dots. I shoot one pellet at each dot, and the page has about 50 dots. These targets can be downloaded online, and printed out.
I wish my HW97k was also a thumbhole stock, but I'm grateful to own it. It's THE most accurate rifle I own.
Thank you for this comment
The accuracy is so much better if you get the right pellet!! H&N feild target trophy is the pellet my 97 LOVES
RWS pellets work well in my 97 I found.
Not all 97’s like the same pellet for some reason. I put five shots on top of each other with the H&N FTT. It was only 30 yards but I could cover the five shots with a dime.
@@chadpilkington8405 I think I'll give them a go and see what they are like. To my shock I found that RWS hobby pellets which look and kind of are like cheap crappy pellets actually are far more accurate in my 97 than the top of the range Weihrauch ones. Just bought the top of the range RWS ones but not tested thouroughly yet to give an outcome but seem really accurate too.
@@johncarry5989 best thing you can do is just try as many pellets out as you can.
Great review, thank you for posting. Got to say that your honesty regarding your grouping was well founded. I have a 97 with a TBT drop in kit and have made dozens of single hole grouping over 30 metres. Its accuracy, along with my Walther LGV, was enough for me to sell both my Daystates (Wolverine R and Red Wolf). There is a purity with the springers I just didn't get with the PCPs and as such always enjoy shooting them. Simply put, PCPs in comparison are soulless. As far as comparing the 97 with offerings from AA, apples and pears. The entry level 97 is several hundred pounds less than the TX200 which makes the 97 so much better value. Out of the box, the TX is way better but spend a few quid on fettling the 97 and they are neck and neck. Great vid and keep 'em comin'....
Thanks very much, and we're glad you enjoyed the video. HW's 97 and 77, along with the AA TX200 and ProSport are, in my view, the best springers available. The LGV and LGU were up there when they were in production. And I agree that shooting a springer is more of an experience than many PCPs, and I enjoy shooting mine as much now as I have ever done. But for pest control and hunting I simply know I am a better shot with a PCP, and that has to be the right thing by quarry. Thanks very much for watching.
Very acurate gun even better with the trop in kits. It can take sum abuse to unlike most precharged, with there delicate free floating barrels. Always knocking them out in the field n loosing zero.. well made springer everytime.
Maybe the best airgun of my collection. Nice review as always.
Thanks very much Eric.
Love you videos Richard, you come across to the camera really well and give such a nice in-depth review. I’ve had the 77 and 97 but shoot a pro sport now I think the air arms are a bit nicer to shoot and more refined. Also air arms are a lot easier to strip down compared to the German ones.
Thanks very much Paul. I love the big bore sporting rifle look of the Pro Sport. Thanks for the supportive comments and taking the time to give them. Rich.
Yes same here, l always had Weihrauch's my last 6 months ago was a 97 and 95 both in .22
Yr right AA do shoot better, and more accurate, my Pro Sport in Walnut .22
Definitely more accurate, l find it's suited to RWS Superfield and AA Diablo field, l took my bear trap out of the aluminium rail, don't like um at all, took it out of the 97 as well but refitted it when l sold, l prefer just keep hold of cocking lever, l recommend moly grease all over the spring, a good coat, keeps it quiet to, someone recommended motorcycle chain lube.
What a beautiful rifle. I’m a synthetic guy but damn that and the air arms tx200hc are just epic.
i have the same model and love it use it for pest control as am a pest controller and it is so smooth and accurate even after being thumped around in the back of my van all day. rifle is heavy but when shouldered weight is evened out and you don't notice it.
Great rifles Steve. And as you say, they'll put up with a lifetime of hard use. Thanks for watching.
Hi nice to see you shooting under levers. I have a HW 77 and love it. But two guns that never get talked about are the BSA Superstar underlever with a rolling breech. And the BSA Goldstar underlever with a 10 shot mag both very good and very accurate Rifles.
Mine is a k ., but is a black synthetic, nickel plated , recently dropped in a tbt, tuning kit, almost zero recoil , you can put a pellet on the breach and shoot the gun, 9 times out of 10 it moves 1 mm and stays on, as can be seen on my UA-cam shaneweightman. Thanks and great review Shane uk
Another great review Richard, I have a HW77 se in .177 with a V-mach kit which I enjoy shooting any free time I have. The 97 and 77 are truly great... If they weren't they wouldn't have been copied! 😀
That's true indeed! I have a 1983 HW80 tuned with a V-Mach kit. Simply awesome! Thanks for watching.
Excellent review Richard.
Thanks very much Michael.
My 97k is from 2003 hull cartridge and is vmach tuned and is the most accurate rifle I have in spring, I own also a 77k mk1 and a tx200hc mk3 .
Great rifles Paul.
Thorough, detailed Review. Answered all the relevant questions, and they "flow" making attention so easy. Your reviews are among the finest on UA-cam. Other Reviewers - Note and Learn. Thank you.
Thanks very much Mike. I'm learning all the time!
@@airgunextra I cannot fault your Presentations. Please keep doing what you do so well.
Also straight to the point and no waffling.
Another great overview of another great Weihrauch springer! Well done 👍🏼
Thanks very much.
Great review Richard.Even in beech it’s a nice looking stock and looks really well put together.
Atb👍🏻
Thanks Justin. Shoots as good as it looks!
Great video and review as always Rich! Those first 4shots left just a ragged hole !!
Thanks very much. Shame about the others!
Good stuff mate! I love both my tuned kt,s have 1 in both calibres cracking guns.
They certainly are, especially when tuned.
Which cal do you prefer for hunting with?
@@jorvikwhites6979 If we're talking about sub 12 ft. lbs. then my preference is .177. Thanks for watching.
Amazing air rifle
Great review as always, thank you. I really like my 97kt and, for some reason I can be more accurate with it than the Air Arms underlevers. I have the synthetic and nickel version and I’ve put a tin bum kit in it. It makes for an improved shot cycle and takes any twang away.
Thanks again and keep them coming please.
Hi Richard you can re engage the safety catch if cocked just pull down on the cocking lever till you hear a click then the safety is engaged again cheers phill
Hi Phil - yes indeed. And the same works for most other HW springers. Its just that you can't re-engage the safety simply pushing the button from the other side. In the real world its really not an issue. Thanks for watching.
Superb demonstration and analysis. Many thanks!
Thanks very much...
I am happy with my choice after long research. I have the tactical version of HW 97 and its a pleasure to shoot.
What speed does HW97 shoot? I'm thinking to buy one.
How is the black stock holding up after a year? Contemplating buying a used one soon. TIA.
@@jempro1674 it was an awesome buy. got it from the airguncentre as a package with bag, pallets and scope. . loving it. it is on the heavy side though
@@jempro1674 I thought I had replied before but I cant see the message.
the gun is doing great. the synthetic stock is great and doesnt feel to be cheap. the craftsmanship of the entire build is top notch.
still shoots like a new gun
very happy with the buy.
What an elegant rifle that must be a pleasure to shoot. Difficult to shoot anything well when you are hurrying for the camera, especially a springer.
Great honest no nonsense review. I have one. Fair to say the rifle is capable of better groups but like all springers it needs to be earned
Thanks very much, and I totally agree...
I'm a Noob with Air Rifling . I've never fired a airgun before. I bought a HW97K with wood stock and installed a 4x16x40 Athlon Talos scope. Today after 14 break-in shots, after I had inserted a pellet into the breech, the lever flew out of my left palm at super sonic speed, connected to the latch at the top AND at the same time it dry fired with the safety ON.
Pulled down the lever again and the pellet was still in the breech. GOOD I can get off another round. Only trouble is the lever won't go back to the top. It's 4 inches shy of doing so. After the repairs maybe I should trade this one in for another airgun. Something without a LEVER.
Hi Richard. The HW97K is a very well-engineered rifle, and well made. Did you buy the rifle new or second hand? And did you buy it from a gun shop or a private individual? If so, then my advice would be to take the rifle back to wherever you bought it from. It sounds to me that the trigger sear has either failed or has been set too light. But get it back to wherever you bought it from and insist it is fixed. If it is brand new that won't be an issue. If it was bought used from a gun shop they should still put things right. If you bought it used from a private individual you can try to get them to do the right thing, but suspect you will have to eat the cost of repairs yourself ☹. Let us know how you get on.
Thanks for your review bought one gun on impulse and its not good so now will take my time and do a bit of research before wasting any more money 😀
Sorry to hear that Jean. I hope you didn't waste too much...
Good review. I had most under levers in my collection but sold them to reduce collection size. The only springer I simply could not part with is the Walther LGU. I am as accurate with that as I am with my PCP’s! Try one out. Different league.
Thanks Michael. They are great guns. Hang on to yours as they are being discontinued. Thanks for watching.
Hi Richard. I've been talking to air-gunners about thumbhole stocks. Generally it's considered (from feedback) that the sporter is the better lighter grip for a springer and it's recoil action, although funny enough a lot of people prefer the thumbhole for balance and stability ?? I guess you have to hold the pistol grip lightly. Interested to know your thoughts and maybe this would make a good video for you to do, explaining the different purposes of various stocks and their advantages/disadvantages? ATB MMMD
Great idea Max. Thanks...Personally I'm not bothered as long as I can use a thumb up grip which I find the most natural.
My 97kt loves RWS SUPERDOME one hole groups at 30 yards with no wind , the only downside is for lugging around the fields for 2 or 3 hours its a bit weighty so have just brought a 95k, the 97kt I'll use for static shoots
Sounds like a plan Jon. Thanks for watching.
@@airgunextra your welcome , Grest channel , by the way have you checked out the Vector Veyron Compact scopes , I brought one for my 97kt, great scope to keep the length and weight down, also mrad reticle and turrets
@@JG-fv9bv Hi Jon. Thank you very much, and thanks for taking the time to comment. No, I haven't tried the Vector Veyron scopes yet, but I hear good things about them. I just finished reviewing a couple of ZEISS scope though, and the video should be coming up very soon.
@@airgunextra nice one I'll check that out once its up
Hi Richard since i subscribed to your channel a couple of weeks ago, i'm steadily catching up with your content, this one i particularly like, when i came back to Air Guns some 5-6 years ago i started with a Remington Express & i decided from there this was to be my future hobby, so my first premium Rifle was the HW97KT as per this video, it truly was a great Rifle, so after many PCP rifles later i recently decided to go back to a premium springer again, the 97 was on the top of my list until i saw your review on the ProSport, so i now am the proud owner of a new ProSport with walnut stock & what a stunning looking Rifle it is , so many thanks for your quality reviews.
Thanks very much GeeTee. You've a great rifle to own. Enjoy shooting it and thanks for the support. Rich
Stunning rifles. And yes, I can pull off a better group than that, I just can't do it consistently! Oh well, that's why we have a vocabulary that includes words not to be spoken in front of women and children.
Great review! Nice shooting too!
Thanks very much Geoff. Nice of you to take the time to comment.
Fantastically informative video.
Thanks very much.
Such an honest review, you should have more subs.
Thanks. Tell your friends!
Very good it is my dream one day to have one of these.
Some great bargains to be had second hand. Have you tried Gunstar.co.uk?
no, no
Excellent video - thank you
Thanks very much Ian. I appreciate you taking the time to comment.
My 77K 1986 made in west germany mserial number 1001 tasco,4x16x40 shootsnlike a dream still i had thismfrom new when i was 15 its been a great riffle from the day i brought 45m target shooting al in a new five pence ,out in the fileds pigeons rabbits at 45/50 meters layed up still favout springers over pcp,the weights nothing if you handle them a lot
Thanks for your good review
Thank you for watching.
Great review Richard, what do the numbers stand for as in HW 77 , 97 ,100 please ?
Another great video Rich 👍 i shoot one of these almost as much as my pcps! I'm not the best springer shooter, but even in my hands, this is super accurate! Fave pellet is the qys streamline heavy. It's really great to see your channel content remaining so varied and you haven't succumbed to a certain vogue brand. Keep up the good work mukka 👍
Thanks very much. I appreciate that. Plenty more content lined up too!
Great review thank you , really like this one 😎👍🏻
Thanks very much Peter.
@@airgunextra mr sanders you are welcome . . Which do prefer the Hw97kt or hw77 ? Thank you sir .
Rich thanks so much for showing me that the gun can be armed with a pallet by re cocking the under lever if by mistake I close the breach without loading the pallet. and what is best is that the lock can be re engaged as well
With having that 'old sight on i noticed you pushed the pellet in at a angle probs damaging the pellet
Enjoy your videos good shooting with the 97 I have one :)
Thanks very much Dave.
Hello Richard Saunders, excellent videos and reviews, this hw97kt is my favorite spring rifle, I love the thumbhole stock, unfortunately when I bought mine, I wanted to save some change and bought it in synthetic, now to compensate I want a tx200hc, in walnut, It is also very beautiful and comfortable, Mr. Richard what is your opinion of the Walther LGU , cheers.
Hi Luis. The Walther LGU is a lovely gun - very smooth and contains many of the tuning enhancements normally done by after market tuners. It is pretty heavy though. Its also going out of production so if you can find one don't hang around too long!
@@airgunextraThank you very much.
The LGU and LGV are fantastic rifles. Better shot cycle out of the box than my TX and 97. Not pellet fussy or as hold sensitive as either. It's absolutely stupid that Walther decided to discontinue both models. All they needed to do was improve the trigger unit and these would've become iconic guns like the TX and 97 in due time.
Hi Richard, that group wasn't that bad but I know what you mean you can do better but turning the camera on can throw all that up in the air don't you know it, love your videos keep the springers coming atb Dave
I know. Camera shy! Thanks for watching Dave. We hope to do some more springers in the coming weeks and months.
I don't know whether you or your audience can help me but I had my car stolen (a Ford Focus 2.5L TDCi "Sport" reg GL53 OYW) back in 2005 and among the items in it was (other than my All Saints CDs) was my HW97K I used for "rough" shooting (bunnies, hares, peasants, I mean pheasants, and farm vermin et all). I can get another 97K but what I am unable to remember (due to the 5 strokes I've had since then) is the make/model of my scope: I'm sure it was 4-16x50 AO IR (5 red/green) and with a sun-shade that would overlap the breech slide by at least 2 inches (making loading very awkward). I have searched the web for years trying to work out the scope I had but alas have been unsuccessful, I know it was NOT a Hawk and may have been by Edgar and Brothers. If anyone who sees this has some idea of what it may have been I would be eternally grateful.
Sorry to hear that, and that you've had some health challenges. I'm afraid I can't help with the scope, but have you tried 'The Airgun Forum'? Lots of very helpful and knowledgeable people on there who might be able to help. Good luck.
@@airgunextra I have not heard of that forum so will try on there, but many thanks for your prompt reply and direction - due to the impact my strokes have had on my eyesight I very much doubt I'll ever shoot again which hurts as I started shooting from 1983 as an Air Cadet in competition (7.62 SLR and .303 Lee Enfiled RAF/ATC full-bore competition and many other calibres as a member of Seal and Shoreham Gun Club in Kent in the '80s) but my passion was "rough" shooting in the fields and woods around Boxley with my 97K and "that" scope - I literally wanted to find out what the scope was so I could potentially have my "old outfit" mounted on my wall for old-times-sake.
Good luck Guy. I hope you find what you are looking for.@@TheOneTrueSpLiT
I have an old German made 98K that I wish was that accurate.... in fact I'll be testing it out tomorrow. Shoots the 8mm 200gr "pellet" at 2,550 Fps.
Right....2,888 ft. lbs. I hope you have an FAC.
@@airgunextra I live in the USA now but I was stationed at RAF Upper Heyford in your lovely country for 5 years. You good folks are really blessed, England is beautiful! but anyway, while there I did have a really nice German made Weihrauch in .22 and we loved going out and bagging some of the bunny's in the Cotswold's. A lady from Church has a French recipe and boy those rabbits tasted good! Enjoy your fine rifles, and may God bless you good folk!
Four clicks left, perfect.
I have started sizing my pellets and shot a few 5 to 7mm 5 shot groups at 20m with my 97kt Silverline. I was disappointed that the kt blackline and silverline do not have adjustable butt pads
That's some shooting Roy.
Hi Richard great vid again, you say that's not the best scope for the 97 so what type would be an ideal scope?
Hi Paul. Most scopes - I use MTC mainly and a few Hawkes - will be fine. The scope in the video was very old. Newer scopes are a little more compact. Thanks for watching.
I have a Hawke Airmax 4-12x50 AO Rifle Scope and it fits perfectly and it is designed to be used with springers.
So the question remains would you say from all the underlever you have tested which one sticks in your mine to be the better of the bunch or are they all as equal to one another.
Andy, that really is a tough one to answer. The bottom line is that they will all punch pellets through the same hole all day long. And they are all beautifully made. I'd say the Air Arms are nicer to look at, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder! I liked shooting the HW97 in particular, but that is probably because I had one back in the 80s so definitely a soft spot there. I also prefer a traditional stock over a thumbhole. It really comes down to what you can afford I think. It is of course really hard right now, but if you get the chance to see them in the flesh or put them to your shoulder one will leap out as a favourite. Sorry can't be more specific than that! Which one would you have?
@@airgunextra So im torn between air arms and weihrauch at the moment as they both offer great value for money and the same class in the accuracy stakes but my gut tells me that weihrauch would be the better bit from the crop as it as stand the test of time?
@@Andy-ow2cx I don' think I helped much did I Andy! Truth is the Air Arms rifles have been around a long time as well. You really need to see both in the flesh if at all. The good thing is that there is no wrong decision here - they are all excellent rifles.
Andy its agreed that Weihrauch HW 97 and Air arms TX200 are together on top of the best springers rifles in their make , beauty, accuracy, reliability and great crafstmanship. take anyo of the two and you cant get wrong.
I just recently ordered and purchased this rifle. Is amazing. Which music did you put on this video? name pls?
Nice air rifle , but I never buy rifles that are over 3.5 kilos max.
Nice Rifle but still my second choice when compared to the Diana Model 52 Firebird
Do you think that this gun would be too loud for shooting in a garden.
Its pretty quiet for a springer, but still audible. I guess it depends on how big your garden is. Its certainly more quiet than music played from a neighbour's house with the window open. Most of the time most of the noise results from pellets hitting your targets/back stop rather than leaving your rifle. If you reduce the noise from targets/backstop you're on your way.
Your neighbours will hear it especially when it's quiet. I used a tx200hc and had 1 of the next door neighbours look over the fence and the other neighbour said they'll call the police.. I went to the police station just to let them know in case those retards call them and say im shooting a gun and have armed police at my house. and they told me a told me I can shoot it if its my garden & neighbours can't do anything about it.
Would that stock go on my hw95k ??
Hi Patrick. No I don't think so...Sorry.
Nice looking rifle. I had to rewatch the part about the safety. While its a nice feature that it automatically puts it on safe when cocking, not being able to engage the safety anytime you want without recocking the rifle seems absurd and shortsighted. Guess I will look at a tx200. How does this compare to other quality springers for field target?
The TX200 is a superb springer. We've reviewed it on the channel as well...
Great review Richard, did I miss the range distance for your test?
Thanks Bobby. It would have been 30 metres...Thanks for watching.
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I get that type of accuracy w a gamo fusion m1 w vortex scope jsb or target trophy 👋🏼
That's great Elian, Gamo make some great rifles. Do you drive a Ferrari or a Ford? Not that I have anything against Ford's - in fact I have one - but my point is that both will get you down the shops but one is a more enjoyable experience than the other.
My next gun right there.
Hi Richard. excellent video, as usual. The url link to Find us on: webs incorrect. There is a typo on it "miltaria" - no "i"
Oops. Thanks for that Graham...
All fixed now Graham. Thanks for letting us know...
May i ask which pellets were used in the test, please.
All thee best
Joe.
HI Joe. 11:35 Air Arms DF... Thanks for watching.
Nice review!👍☘️
Thanks very much Donal. We appreciate you taking the time to say so...
weiruch manufactures fine powerful air rifles, but the disadvantage is the charging method when you can remove your thumb. Webley has a better construction.
amigo una pregunta tu que usaste mucho tiempo los hw97 que calibre me recomiendas para comprarme un rifle hw97 pero necesito saber cual me funcionara mejor para la caza de palomas y conejos en calibre 4.5 o en 5.5.
Hi. I'd say .177. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the video, now I have better clear idea, I will take the Weihrauch than other, can you kindly suggest also the tipe of aptics that is better use, the proposal il for field/hunting shot, Thanks
Hi Marco. Most decent quality optics will work on the HW97K. I use MTC on mine...
Great review sir , im thinking of investing in a tuned 97 synthetic , can you shoot a springer off quad sticks or would it upset the harmonics , and can you get that adjustable butt pad to fit a synthetic stock
Hi Davy. Thanks very much. I've not tried it, but I see no reason why you couldn't shoot an HW97K off quad sticks, especially a tuned one. Shooting a springer accurately is all about ensuring your hold and position is consistent so the rifle recoils the same way each time. For some reason, the black synthetic stock doesn't come with the adjustable butt pad of the wooden stock rifle. I am sure that it would be possible to buy an after market butt pad. In fact I had a quick flirt online and saw several products advertised. Good luck!
Great stuff what power is that gun putting out? Would it fire those new slugs?
👍 👍 👍 😜 🏴 🦄 🎣 😁 🤞 ✌️
Its a UK sub-12 ft. lbs. rifle, putting out , I think 11.4 ft. lbs. I'm not convinced about slugs in sub 12 ft. lbs. rifles. I tested some really light H&N non-lead slugs and could only get about 7 ft. lbs. from them, which was a real disappointment because they weighed the same as regular pellets - around 16 grains if I recall correctly. When I asked the chap at H&N he explained that the issue is that slugs have more contact with the barrel and therefore generate more friction which slows them down...Thanks for watching.
@@airgunextra thanks for doing the video's great info passed on
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Hello Richard, what scope and mount do you have on that might be suitable for my HW100KT THX.
Hi Mark. Scopes are a really personal thing, and of course budget is a factor. I use MYC scopes an awful lot - the Cobra F1 is a real favourite and first focal plane. And Hawke scopes are a safe choice. In terms of mounts, you need a set that will mount the scope as low to the action as possible to negate the effect of cant - when you hold the rifle off the vertical plane. Sportsmatch UK is a good site to look over as it will recommend mounts for different spec scopes. www.sportsmatch-uk.com/
Another great review, however it would be great if you could do a review of the Brocock Sniper XR, i noticed you had one on your other channel.
Hi Ian. Do you mean The Airgun Show? Hopefully we'll be looking at the Sniper XR very soon on here. Thanks for watching.
@@airgunextra No it was your personal channel, i think you were reviewing the MTC swat scopes
@@ianmelville7655 Right, yes with you now. I had forgotten about that!
I've got 2 hw97ks I've got the stainless one in .22 but the blackline stock is in a gunmetal grey I haven't found anyone else with this stock I bought it in the sportsman gun centre I also got the blue laminate hw97k in .25 which is an awsome rifle the both rifles are as accurate as my PCP rifles.
Perhaps a special edition Wayne? Sounds nice though...Thanks for watching.
Hi Richard, another brilliant review. Hunting and accuracy - HW97K or HW95K ? Many thanks. ATB MMMD
Thanks very much. The 95K is a great rifle, but I think the 97K has the edge (for me anyway).
@@airgunextra I guess it's always a personal thing. I'm getting the 95K purely because I think the slightly lighter rifle will suit me better mate. Thanks for all your help. MMMD
@@MudMaxMetalDetecting It is a great rifle, and you're right - much lighter. The 97K is a lump!
@@airgunextra Thanks for all your advice mate, greatly appreciated. Picking up my 95K tomorrow with Hawke Vantage 3x9x40 AO. MMMD
@@MudMaxMetalDetecting You're very welcome. Nothing like a new gun day! Have fun.
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Great review! How about doing one on the hw90? I'm torn between the two! Actually what I really mean is which should I get first!
Thanks Stuart. In fact we're planning on lining up some more Weihrauch springers, so watch this space! The HW90 has to be one of the finest gas rams on the market. Thanks very much for watching.
Great! Cant wait!
Still prefer the 77k. But this is a better thought out gun.
No one noticed that the last shot about 6 more pellet holes appeared on that target around 11 mins
Its a thing called editing David. Have you done any videos?
@@airgunextra yes I have my Instagram for hunting is full of them I wasn't having a dig it was a simple observation so calm down bud
I dont like springer.. Because when I try to take down some birds it flew away and that's the problem begin.. Gas piston has lot more advantages.
So you missed then!
Great review i have just started looking for a higher end air rifle to have fun with but also hunt small game With. In the same price range as the 97 is there anything that would a be better air rifle to look at not looking to spend much more than say 500 to 600 I've seen the 97 for just under 600
Thanks very much. The Air Arms ProSport and TX200 are both worth taking a look, so too is the Weihrauch HW77. We've reviewed them all on the channel and they are all within your budget. Thanks for watching.
Trying to decide on the HW97 or Air Arms Pro sport? I want a hunting gun, so accuracy out of the box is important to me, as I cant easily get to expert tuning. I understand that Walther LGU is the most accurate "out of the box" gun around, however thin on the ground, availability wise.
Hi Wiliam. Unfortunately, the Walther LGU is no longer made, though there may well be a few left in the retail chain, and of course second hand. They are extremely well made and marketed as 'tuned out of the box'. Certainly it a fine rifle, if a little heavy. The HW97 and ProSport are excellent too and there's little to pick between them in terms of performance. The HW97K has some adjustment on the stock that the Air Arms doesn't. If you can, shoulder them both to see which feels more comfortable. You won't make a bad or wrong decision between them. Good luck.
@@airgunextra many thanks for the sound advice. I am a lefty so I will be checking everything carefully. I would probably have to buy the LGU without seeing, but the other model are in major resellers to walk in and try.
Is the 97k that much quieter than the 77k?
Maybe a little. Most noise comes from the action rather than the muzzle though...
How long do the springs last in these Richard?
Hi - a long, long time... If they are looked after there's no need to ever have to change a main spring.
@@airgunextra which would say was the best out of the box , the HW97 or the TX200, I just want a rifle that doesn't need anything doing to it.
Brilliant content sir - but the presence of completely superfluous muzak is completely grating! Do you think your average audience member will want muzak detracting from the actual content?
Sure - I can just 'move along' to the next video - but your content is good.
Is best in 4.5 or 5.5
Hi. Its very accurate in both calibres. As with any rifle though, the .177 option will give you a flatter trajectory.
I have the 97 in .22, the Gun is in my opinion the best under lever spinger on the market........my one and only criticism is.....you can't de- cock the gun, I don't know why weihrauch didn't incorporate this action to work in conjuntion with the safety catch 🤔🤔🤔🤔👍👍👍👍
Yes, that would make life easier.
Remove the abt if you wanna decock a 97. Just remove the action from the stock and undo the nut that takes the front trigger screw. 10 mins work including the rebuild.
I like your videos. Very professional and enjoyable to watch.
Does anybody know how powerful the fully powered FAC HW97 is?
I'm not certain Jake. I'd imagine not much more than 12 ft. lbs. though.
@@airgunextra great clip mate. But a properly tuned 97 inc bearings,piston and transfer port modifications will shoot like a pcp with ease, even at 16+ ft lbs. Another thing to consider is remove the abt. If you do away with the abt you can decock the 97 in the same way as most break barrel rifles. Pull the underlever down, click the safety off, keep a firm hold on the lever, and pull the trigger. These things are unbelievably accurate out to huge distances, and once tuned they are as quiet and gentle as a pea shooter. 👍
17,7 ft. lbs
FAC isn't worth it tbh... the springers only shoot at around 17ft/lb... not worth all the hassle you have to go through getting a license from police
tx 200 or this what is the verdict
The answer is : Yes.
Both are great, both will put pellets through the same hole all day long and both cost around the same. It really comes down to which one you like the look and feel of to be honest. I know that doesn't help much! The good thing is that you won't make a bad choice either way...Thanks for watching.
@@airgunextra i have a hw100 kt great gun and an old 1980's webley omega just fancy another springer for hunting . and love the videos
@@frogmarched6869 The Omega is a lovely rifle. I have a Webley Vulcan form the 80s and love it. The four underlevers we've reviewed are another class though! Thanks for watching.
I dare say the air rifle would last a lifetime.
thanks for the video.
ps , take the last shot out (bad pellet :-) and that's not a bad group.
Hi Henry. Its certainly built well enough. And you're right. Bad pellet or a gust of wind! Thanks for watching.
Whats sad is that we adults in the uk can only use sub 12ft lbs which in America and most other countries is what their children use for plinking and playing with, they are toys to everyone else, its just so embarrassing, really...!
Unless you apply successfully for a FAC certificate...
@@airgunextra They are not that easy to obtain ive heard, even with a minor history, all im interested in is air rifles, i have no reason or use for powder rifles, its a shame that there isnt separate less strict solely air rifle licences so people like myself could actually stand half a chance.
Thanks for replying ✊
I have it in 22 but really not good grouping any idea guy’s any help is welcome thanks a lot
Sorry to hear that. Have you tried: 1) cleaning the barrel (I prefer a pull through rather than felt pellets) 2) trying different pellet brands 3) making sure all the stock bolts and screws are done up firmly 4) using decent mounts on your scope and making sure they are secured properly 5) checked for scope creep - this is where the scope will move backwards slightly under recoil. An arrestor block or arrestor stud in the rear mount will solve the problem 6) put the rifle over a chrono to make sure it is shooting consistently (within 20 fps over 10 shots). If you've tried all these and still have a problem, it may well be worth sending the rifle for a professional tune/service. It doesn't cost a fortune and will transform your rifle. I can recommend Lyn Lewington at ARC Tuning - he's a genius with springers and Weihrauchs in particular. I hope you work it out.