You don’t know how much I appreciate you showing women who are fives, it’s so hard to find them and honestly is harder to feel identified to other fives because in fiction (and according to statistics) most fives are male. So yeah, pretty cool! Love your videos! (btw im not five, I just have a five female friend)
Thanks! In my first Five video I only had one woman, as I had a hard timing finding more. But I had lots of great comments/suggestions for possible characters and purposely wanted at least two of the Subtype characters to be female.
I found I really love everything I’ve ever seen Jodie Foster in, because she’s an INTJ, so most of her roles have very strong INTJ/5 notes, and are the most relatable to me out of most film characters, as an INTJ/5. Also, I grew up watching Mr. Hollands Opus from time to time because my parents loved it, but I haven’t seen it since I became an adult, and I’m now realizing I definitely need to watch it again, because I bet I’ll glean all kinds of insights out of it as an adult 5 that I couldn’t have related to as a child. Thank you for putting Mr. Holland in here!
Thanks! I was 10 when Mr. Holland’s Opus came out, and it’s always been one of my favorites. And just like you said, there are definitely new/different insights to take from it as an adult.
I really appreciate the deep bench of media you're pulling from. You have a really nuanced look at these types but it's also cool to mark down movies I should see. Thanks for posting!
My husband and I recently found your channel and are obsessed! I'm a 1w9 and he's a 5w4. Watching this video was so helpful because so much 5 content is focused on the self-preservation 5s and my husband is very much a social-sexual 5, so thank you thank you for the illuminating video!!
Beautiful video. If I really connected with the last Five video, this made me emotional. Truly, the Enneagram is something that has widened my perspective. And answered plenty of questions. This is not just informative, it's fun and well made. I'm grateful for the video, and for you making this channel. It helped me a ton, and so has it for others. Also, thank you for the book recommendations, I'll get to reading them. 📚
I can’t tell you how encouraging it is to hear that. My hope with this channel is that it’s a free resource for people to learn about themselves and others, and to go deeper with the Enneagram. I’m so glad you connected with it!
16:18 wow. That’s what I needed to hear, though it is admittedly hard for me to accept. Like, I get excited by human connection because of the beautiful ideal it reflects, but get severely disappointed when it doesn’t reflect its perfection, but how could it? I need to be okay with imperfection in human interaction, perhaps because it is there where that perfect ideal can be worked out, even if it is never fully expressed; after all, it cannot be expressed at all without human interaction
I went and saw Contact in the theater by myself when I was 13. No family or friends wanted to see it with me. And I felt a deep connection with Ellie Arroway within minutes. Read the book afterward. Became obsessed with Sagan. Years later had a friend of my sister force me to take an enneagram and found I was a 5. Naturally, dove into that to learn as much as I could. Not sure how I even found this channel though. Now, seeing this video, it helps me make sense of myself a little bit more. Thank you.
This confirms I'm a So 5 but on a path of development. Thank you. 😊 btw, I love Lisbeth Salander character so much. Rooney Mara herself is also an Sp 5 from my observation.
@@samgolden6910 Welp, apparently UA-cam hit me with a copyright restriction and didn't tell me about it. Thanks for the heads up! I've appealed the block, which means the video is visible again until the claimant responds. So... get it while you can! ua-cam.com/video/xekYWptyt8A/v-deo.html
Self-Preservation 5 who went into teaching (Math even though I come form a long line of Music teachers), it wasn't pretty, but I did connect with a few other 5"s that were all alone out there, lol. Much happier now as a Electronic Health Records Specialist, I can help people but I don't have to deal with them, and someday I'll be able to work from home (even better!),
Well… Robin Williams was great as Sean Maguire in Good Will Hunting, but he ain’t no Five. Although I used a clip of him in my Two video, I could see a reasonable case for other Type possibilities as well. But not Five. He’s too relationally-connected and living too much from his heart to be a Five (in my opinion of course).
@@TypeCast I am totally a 5. I always identified with him intensely. I also took a test recently that matches you to various movie, tv and literary characters, and he was in my top 20 out of 100. (Dumbledore and Gandolf were my one and two, by the way.) We're each entitled to our opinion!
That’s funny, I was literally watching The Return of the King when you commented. Hadn’t thought about Gandalf but I could see that. Dumbledore fo sho! What about Sean do you connect with? One of the biggest things I’ve learned through doing this series is how much these characters act like a Rorschach test. We all see what we want to see.
Thank you for this wonderful exploration of type 5. Though my friends, and even I at times, might assume that the So Ellie fits my makeup, with each segment of Mr. Holland I had to pause the video and shed a number of tears, time and time again. How beautifully he is able to transmit his element, his passion, dedication, focus, commitment, that then resonates throughout their lives. Perhaps it is an aspect of the Sx 5 to infuse people with a germ of inspiration, subtle though it may be, that then germinates into a wholeness of character precipitated by that initial contact and attentive affect. The modus operandi behind this inspiration isn't about achieving that end necessarily, but about achieving a depth of interpersonal connection whereby the inspiration comes naturally, a connection where, through our mutual understanding, inspiration expresses itself.
Depends on who you ask! Mario Sikora (Awareness to Action) believes that the idea of Wings stems from an original misunderstanding of the Instincts (or Instinctual Biases as he calls them). He says that what people think of as Wings are actually just different Subtypes expressing themselves. So under that system, yes, the Sexual Five probably “looks” more like a 5w4. Although I don’t think that necessarily has to be true 100% of the time. Personally I still find value in the concept of Wings, but really it comes down to a distinction without a difference (in my opinion). It’s just different ways of describing essentially the same thing. So whatever system works for you, as long as it’s coherent and consistent… go for it!
@@TypeCast Thanks for your reply. If the two systems are the same, but use different names, is it correct to say: 5w4 = 5 subtype[sexual] 5w6 = 5 subtype[social] 5w4+6 = 5 subtype[self-preserving]
@@laa34 Hmm... again, depends who you ask. Lol. But I think it would be going too far to say that they *usually* overlap in those exacts ways. Unfortunately there's zero scientific studies (that I'm aware of) that could shed light on percentages. Like, "55% of those who identify as 5w4 also identify as a Sexual subtype." (vs the 33% you'd expect with completely random distribution) What I meant by "describing the same thing" is that either system (Wings or Subtypes) looks at a person's motivations and behaviors and assigns them a category that other people with the same motivations and behaviors would identify with. So regardless of which method you use (Wings, Subtypes, both together, Tritypes, Triads, etc...), you're just using different methods to describe the same thing. Sorry if I just confused things even more!
Lisbeth became friends (and lovers) with Mikael. She bought him a jacket and wrote a personal note, but when she went to give it to him she saw his old girlfriend coming out of his apartment. So she throws the present in the trash and rides away.
@@TypeCast ahhh, thank you very much. I hope that wasn't the end for her after learning to trust a bit (btw these videos are excellent, I'm in between sx 5 & sx 4 but after seeing this vid it's very compelling that I might be 5)
Thanks! There are several more books in that series but I haven’t read them, so I don’t know what becomes of the character or that relationship. Have you watched my video on the Type Four Subtypes?
@@rishia-characterpersonalit2289 Unfortunately that video is blocked in India. Send me an email to enneagramtypecast@gmail.com and we'll figure out a way for you to watch it.
Results, like from a test? As with Types, The results of any test should be held very loosely. It can be a good way to get you pointed in the right direction but it’s much more important for you to learn about the various subtypes and see what feels most accurate for you. It’s also possible that SP is second in your “stack” and at a similar level. That’s exactly how I feel about myself... almost as if I am 50% sexual and 50% self-preservation.
@@TypeCast I feel that my sp and sx are almost equally dominant within me. Lately, I've been contemplating whether I'm missing out on having a romantic partner. I've never had a girlfriend before, and I'm uncertain if I would even be capable of handling a relationship. I tend to get deeply interested in certain topics, and I enjoy sharing my knowledge with others. One time, my sister playfully suggested making a robot to listen to me since she got tired of hearing me talk excitedly about all the new things I learn.
I love your videos due to the high production value and quotes from books about the types. However, I don't believe typing characters is your strong suit. Perhaps you might run your guesses by others before going to the trouble of creating a video. Mr. Holland strikes me as neither Sexual nor a Five. One clear example of a Sexual Five to my mind is Ricky Fitts of American Beauty.
Thanks…? Who says I didn’t run it by people that agreed with my assessment? Lol. The point of my channel isn’t to Type specific characters, but more to use select clips to give a flavor of what each Type/Subtype is like. There’s even times when I’ve intentionally use the “wrong“ character (ie George Constanza in my Three video). Now having said that, I’m comfortable defending Glenn Holland as a Sexual/Transmitting subtype. His primary drive through the film is what he can “transmit”, through his music and through the special attention he gives select students. Mario Sikora calls this “broadcasting vs narrowcasting”…. they transmit a broad signal, then hone in on whoever responds to them. He doesn’t demonstrate strong Preserving or Social characteristics from I can see. He’s not overly concerned with “nesting” or domestic considerations, and he doesn’t seem to care much about group dynamics or his place in the hierarchy. In terms of Five, I think “Detachment” describes him better than any of the other Type characteristics. He wants to be alone with his music, certainly at first. But he eventually grows in health by moving towards others and sharing his gifts with them. I could see why someone might think he’s Four-ish, but I don’t think “Uniqueness” really fits him as a primary driver. What Subtype does he strike you as?
What an odd movie. Jodie plays Clarice Starling again but with a different job. Sex toy Matthew plays a priest. Tough guy William plays a blind nerd. And James Woods plays someone who isn't awesome. It makes NO SENSE, and yet it worked.
You don’t know how much I appreciate you showing women who are fives, it’s so hard to find them and honestly is harder to feel identified to other fives because in fiction (and according to statistics) most fives are male. So yeah, pretty cool! Love your videos! (btw im not five, I just have a five female friend)
Thanks! In my first Five video I only had one woman, as I had a hard timing finding more. But I had lots of great comments/suggestions for possible characters and purposely wanted at least two of the Subtype characters to be female.
@@TypeCast it's hard to find them! but I appreciate a lot that you did, so thanks!
Female 5s are the rarest type. Hi I’m here nice to meet you
Hi there!
@@kenzielove99 Oh, I didn't know it was The rarest type. Oh well, hello to you too
I found I really love everything I’ve ever seen Jodie Foster in, because she’s an INTJ, so most of her roles have very strong INTJ/5 notes, and are the most relatable to me out of most film characters, as an INTJ/5.
Also, I grew up watching Mr. Hollands Opus from time to time because my parents loved it, but I haven’t seen it since I became an adult, and I’m now realizing I definitely need to watch it again, because I bet I’ll glean all kinds of insights out of it as an adult 5 that I couldn’t have related to as a child. Thank you for putting Mr. Holland in here!
Thanks! I was 10 when Mr. Holland’s Opus came out, and it’s always been one of my favorites. And just like you said, there are definitely new/different insights to take from it as an adult.
I really appreciate the deep bench of media you're pulling from. You have a really nuanced look at these types but it's also cool to mark down movies I should see. Thanks for posting!
Thanks, I really appreciate that! My repository of useless pop culture knowledge has finally become useful.
My husband and I recently found your channel and are obsessed! I'm a 1w9 and he's a 5w4. Watching this video was so helpful because so much 5 content is focused on the self-preservation 5s and my husband is very much a social-sexual 5, so thank you thank you for the illuminating video!!
I’m so glad it was helpful for you!
That is so sweet ❤❤❤❤
I’m 5w6 sp/sx. I really liked this! I think it captures the flavors of 5 very nicely.
Thanks… that’s the hope!
Beautiful video. If I really connected with the last Five video, this made me emotional. Truly, the Enneagram is something that has widened my perspective. And answered plenty of questions.
This is not just informative, it's fun and well made. I'm grateful for the video, and for you making this channel. It helped me a ton, and so has it for others. Also, thank you for the book recommendations, I'll get to reading them. 📚
I can’t tell you how encouraging it is to hear that. My hope with this channel is that it’s a free resource for people to learn about themselves and others, and to go deeper with the Enneagram.
I’m so glad you connected with it!
16:18 wow. That’s what I needed to hear, though it is admittedly hard for me to accept. Like, I get excited by human connection because of the beautiful ideal it reflects, but get severely disappointed when it doesn’t reflect its perfection, but how could it? I need to be okay with imperfection in human interaction, perhaps because it is there where that perfect ideal can be worked out, even if it is never fully expressed; after all, it cannot be expressed at all without human interaction
1. Well said.
2. Great username. “I’ll write it and we’ll do it live!” is one of the great early memes. Good ‘ol Bill…
I went and saw Contact in the theater by myself when I was 13. No family or friends wanted to see it with me. And I felt a deep connection with Ellie Arroway within minutes. Read the book afterward. Became obsessed with Sagan. Years later had a friend of my sister force me to take an enneagram and found I was a 5. Naturally, dove into that to learn as much as I could. Not sure how I even found this channel though. Now, seeing this video, it helps me make sense of myself a little bit more. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing, I’m glad you connected with it!
yall picked some amazing choices to demonstrate
Thanks!
Very insightful. Helped reassure my type as a social 5
Thanks, I'm so glad you found it helpful!
Well, this cemented my 5w4 sexual typing. I can't believe how much I identify with Mr Holland.
If you have to identify with someone, he’s not a bad option!
This confirms I'm a So 5 but on a path of development. Thank you. 😊 btw, I love Lisbeth Salander character so much. Rooney Mara herself is also an Sp 5 from my observation.
I'm glad it checked out for you! David Fincher used the Enneagram with the cast for that film. Her portrayal of Lisbeth was excellent!
I am a sx 5 😅 outsider in a group of outsiders
You’re always welcome here!
G'day again mate. Awesome character choices
“Let’s put another shrimp on the barbie”
Also… thanks!
Mate I'm going back and watching all 3 of these movies again thanks to this video.
They’re all great. And I can’t wait for Loki Season 2.
if you were to spend more time outside the walls of your castle.....esquisite
Growth FTW!
References to Chestnut and Luckovich in the same video...daring! ;)
I like to be bold!
This is very accurate. It's very confronting but true. I very much related to the SP/SX.
thanks for making these.
Thanks for watching! I’m glad you can relate.
This is incredible. Thank you for this. I feel seen as an sx/sp 5.
I’m glad it connected with you!
This was an awesome video! Thank you.
Thanks!
So well made!! Thank you for these videos.
Thanks, I really appreciate that!
Love the video. Why is the subtypes of 4 video hidden?
Some of my videos are blocked in certain countries because of copyright restrictions. What country are you in?
I’m in the US and can’t see the type 4 video.
@@samgolden6910 Welp, apparently UA-cam hit me with a copyright restriction and didn't tell me about it. Thanks for the heads up! I've appealed the block, which means the video is visible again until the claimant responds. So... get it while you can!
ua-cam.com/video/xekYWptyt8A/v-deo.html
As an INTP 5w4 Sp/So. You really captured both sides of me really well.
Glad to hear it!
Self-Preservation 5 who went into teaching (Math even though I come form a long line of Music teachers), it wasn't pretty, but I did connect with a few other 5"s that were all alone out there, lol. Much happier now as a Electronic Health Records Specialist, I can help people but I don't have to deal with them, and someday I'll be able to work from home (even better!),
Sounds like a great SP 5 job… gathering all that data but staying behind the scenes!
@@TypeCast It is! As I said so much happier!
As a Sp/so 5, this is so spot on.
Thanks! I’m glad you connected with it.
Holy shit. Between this and 4 i'm such a nerd
Don’t worry… I won’t tell anyone.
This is very effective--although I would have loved to see Sean Maguire (Richard Dreyfuss) from Good Will Hunting.
Well… Robin Williams was great as Sean Maguire in Good Will Hunting, but he ain’t no Five. Although I used a clip of him in my Two video, I could see a reasonable case for other Type possibilities as well. But not Five. He’s too relationally-connected and living too much from his heart to be a Five (in my opinion of course).
@@TypeCast I am totally a 5. I always identified with him intensely. I also took a test recently that matches you to various movie, tv and literary characters, and he was in my top 20 out of 100. (Dumbledore and Gandolf were my one and two, by the way.) We're each entitled to our opinion!
That’s funny, I was literally watching The Return of the King when you commented. Hadn’t thought about Gandalf but I could see that. Dumbledore fo sho!
What about Sean do you connect with? One of the biggest things I’ve learned through doing this series is how much these characters act like a Rorschach test. We all see what we want to see.
love this
Thanks!
Thank you for this wonderful exploration of type 5. Though my friends, and even I at times, might assume that the So Ellie fits my makeup, with each segment of Mr. Holland I had to pause the video and shed a number of tears, time and time again. How beautifully he is able to transmit his element, his passion, dedication, focus, commitment, that then resonates throughout their lives. Perhaps it is an aspect of the Sx 5 to infuse people with a germ of inspiration, subtle though it may be, that then germinates into a wholeness of character precipitated by that initial contact and attentive affect. The modus operandi behind this inspiration isn't about achieving that end necessarily, but about achieving a depth of interpersonal connection whereby the inspiration comes naturally, a connection where, through our mutual understanding, inspiration expresses itself.
I’m so glad to hear you resonated with it, and your words are beautifully said! MHO is such a wonderful film.
I read a lot and lisbeth slander is my favorite character as an adult. The one i relate to the most and i just found out in a five ...
That works out then!
Really excellent. Thank you.
Thanks! Did you identify with a specific Subtype?
@@TypeCast Oh, yes. I'm the poster boy for 5w4 INTJ. Same as Jodie Foster, from what I've heard.
Can enneagram 5 subtype [sexual] have a wing 6? I think in the nature of the subtype they have to have wing 4 :)
Depends on who you ask! Mario Sikora (Awareness to Action) believes that the idea of Wings stems from an original misunderstanding of the Instincts (or Instinctual Biases as he calls them). He says that what people think of as Wings are actually just different Subtypes expressing themselves. So under that system, yes, the Sexual Five probably “looks” more like a 5w4. Although I don’t think that necessarily has to be true 100% of the time.
Personally I still find value in the concept of Wings, but really it comes down to a distinction without a difference (in my opinion). It’s just different ways of describing essentially the same thing. So whatever system works for you, as long as it’s coherent and consistent… go for it!
@@TypeCast Thanks for your reply.
If the two systems are the same, but use different names, is it correct to say:
5w4 = 5 subtype[sexual]
5w6 = 5 subtype[social]
5w4+6 = 5 subtype[self-preserving]
@@laa34 Hmm... again, depends who you ask. Lol. But I think it would be going too far to say that they *usually* overlap in those exacts ways. Unfortunately there's zero scientific studies (that I'm aware of) that could shed light on percentages. Like, "55% of those who identify as 5w4 also identify as a Sexual subtype." (vs the 33% you'd expect with completely random distribution)
What I meant by "describing the same thing" is that either system (Wings or Subtypes) looks at a person's motivations and behaviors and assigns them a category that other people with the same motivations and behaviors would identify with. So regardless of which method you use (Wings, Subtypes, both together, Tritypes, Triads, etc...), you're just using different methods to describe the same thing.
Sorry if I just confused things even more!
L from deathnote is super SP5
Haven't seen that one, I'll check it out.
that's hilarious there's the dude form mr hollands opus and I'm a piano teacher...and I saw that movie the other day.
Such a great movie! One of my all time favorites.
I dont like looking like a nerd at all. I am a nerd but i am more passionate lol
Us closet nerds have to stick together. I’m a Type One but I can relate.
Would love to know where Marty Byrde (Ozark) falls in here.
Great question. It’s been a while since I’ve watched Ozark so I’ll have to revisit it. Do you think he’s a Five one way or another though?
@@TypeCast I think 5w6...he's so good at seeing problems ahead and calmly (mostly) solving them logically.
What happened in TGWTDT scene at the end, she threw away the jacket but I don't get why
Lisbeth became friends (and lovers) with Mikael. She bought him a jacket and wrote a personal note, but when she went to give it to him she saw his old girlfriend coming out of his apartment. So she throws the present in the trash and rides away.
@@TypeCast ahhh, thank you very much. I hope that wasn't the end for her after learning to trust a bit
(btw these videos are excellent, I'm in between sx 5 & sx 4 but after seeing this vid it's very compelling that I might be 5)
Thanks! There are several more books in that series but I haven’t read them, so I don’t know what becomes of the character or that relationship.
Have you watched my video on the Type Four Subtypes?
@@TypeCast not yet but I'm looking forward to.
She might turn out well for all we know.
What eneagram are u out of curiosity?
Let me know what you think when you get around to it. I am Type One.
This social 5 example is more INTJ than social 5 alone
And "hated it"..is it from the actor or not 4 or 8w9? Because i say ot often
This channel only focuses on the Enneagram. I suppose every character featured would have an MBTI that comes into play.
Where is the video on Type 5 in Film and Television? Unable to see it in the video list
What country are you in? Some of my videos are blocked in certain countries because of copyright restrictions.
@@TypeCast Oh ok. I am from India
@@rishia-characterpersonalit2289 Unfortunately that video is blocked in India. Send me an email to enneagramtypecast@gmail.com and we'll figure out a way for you to watch it.
@@TypeCast Thanks for the help. I just saw it using a VPN.
Smart!
You having a baby is exactly like falling in love with John Coltrane all over again ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Such a great movie!
This is amazing, thank you for making these
Thanks for watching… spread the word!
I'm an istp 5w6 sx/sp i relate to this thanks
Great!
HELL yeAH!!!!!
I agree!
Well that would have taken a lot of work. But that was great 👍
Indeed. I spent about 200 hours working on that Subtypes series. Glad you liked it!
I feel like I am sx , but results keep showing sp.
Results, like from a test? As with Types, The results of any test should be held very loosely. It can be a good way to get you pointed in the right direction but it’s much more important for you to learn about the various subtypes and see what feels most accurate for you. It’s also possible that SP is second in your “stack” and at a similar level. That’s exactly how I feel about myself... almost as if I am 50% sexual and 50% self-preservation.
@@TypeCast I feel that my sp and sx are almost equally dominant within me. Lately, I've been contemplating whether I'm missing out on having a romantic partner. I've never had a girlfriend before, and I'm uncertain if I would even be capable of handling a relationship. I tend to get deeply interested in certain topics, and I enjoy sharing my knowledge with others. One time, my sister playfully suggested making a robot to listen to me since she got tired of hearing me talk excitedly about all the new things I learn.
I love your videos due to the high production value and quotes from books about the types. However, I don't believe typing characters is your strong suit. Perhaps you might run your guesses by others before going to the trouble of creating a video. Mr. Holland strikes me as neither Sexual nor a Five. One clear example of a Sexual Five to my mind is Ricky Fitts of American Beauty.
Thanks…?
Who says I didn’t run it by people that agreed with my assessment? Lol.
The point of my channel isn’t to Type specific characters, but more to use select clips to give a flavor of what each Type/Subtype is like. There’s even times when I’ve intentionally use the “wrong“ character (ie George Constanza in my Three video).
Now having said that, I’m comfortable defending Glenn Holland as a Sexual/Transmitting subtype. His primary drive through the film is what he can “transmit”, through his music and through the special attention he gives select students. Mario Sikora calls this “broadcasting vs narrowcasting”…. they transmit a broad signal, then hone in on whoever responds to them. He doesn’t demonstrate strong Preserving or Social characteristics from I can see. He’s not overly concerned with “nesting” or domestic considerations, and he doesn’t seem to care much about group dynamics or his place in the hierarchy.
In terms of Five, I think “Detachment” describes him better than any of the other Type characteristics. He wants to be alone with his music, certainly at first. But he eventually grows in health by moving towards others and sharing his gifts with them. I could see why someone might think he’s Four-ish, but I don’t think “Uniqueness” really fits him as a primary driver.
What Subtype does he strike you as?
What an odd movie. Jodie plays Clarice Starling again but with a different job. Sex toy Matthew plays a priest. Tough guy William plays a blind nerd. And James Woods plays someone who isn't awesome. It makes NO SENSE, and yet it worked.
Lol, when you say it like that… I guess it does.