Before the "docility" thing became a clout, I will debunk it for yall. Docility on E5 (SP5 and SO5) is described as shy, passive, conflict avoidant, the exception is SX5. Docility does not mean submission or devotion. Here are some quotes from the E5 book about how docility works on SP5 and SO5: SP5: "Over-docility leads this subtype to interfere with his/her own spontaneity and with his/her preferences. This over-docility would not be possible without a strongly repressed need for love. Inaction can manifest as noncommitment, passivity, and apathy. Inaction can be the result of wanting to keep his/her intentions hidden." SO5: "The social E5 is resigned, preferring to keep frustration to him/herself. He/she can end up accepting the other's wish, because he/she does not know how to say no - as part of avoiding conflicts. The absence of conflicts is only maintained by renouncing life," Is just like Rusted explained, no big deal, stop idealizing E5, being triggered about an term is so childish. And let me remind yall something, E5 is not that evil, cold hearted mastermind INTJ 16p steriotype you guys are used too. PDB is very used to see E5 as SO6 or SX6s.
Thanks for making this video! Plus this type actually fits me more than enneagram 7 and 6. I think they're more likely to mistype me as an So6 or So7 because of my extroverted intellectualism and can be very highly rational
im an sx/sp 5 but i'd say i'm very very far from arrogant or rude. maybe secretly arrogant, yes, but not in public, and definitely not rude. i'm diplomatic and polite towards people and warm towards strangers and friends alike
Comments for mad E5 about 'docile'. Docile means in here: high degree of restraint, difficulty to act, easily feeling overwhelmed by the external. Weak in Se(E5: ILI, IEI, LII). If you are not SX6 and E5 but don't be like being or feel 'weak'/(weak is not docile), focus on the restraint traits. It is a gift to long term suvival in a consumerism modern society. Say again Weak and Docile are not the same.
Hey rust, very good video, wanted to ask what would you say the difference between an ILI Sx5 and an IEI Sx5 is considering they have the same desires but act in a different way Like would the IEI be a little bit more outgoing when they meet that “ideal guy/girl” and would the ILI be just as outgoing but maybe in a different way, like they’re more straightforward in their communication and less Naive if you know what I mean
Though some say sx5 ILI doesn’t exist (I personally think this is a bad take but I digress) I’d say the IEI SX5 will be a lot more romantic and interpersonal love oriented, ILI may be more likely to express their feelings/passion in more traditional “geeky” things/areas, and art. Like I always think of those artists who make portraits out of equations and math and sht but in short yea the IEI is gonna be more outgoing (relatively) and interpersonally passionate than ILI since they don’t have Fe polr weighing them down, and because of Te polr IEI’s are a lot more naive in general
I'm sx5 and typed as IEI. The short summary is that I act like an 8 stereotype more or less when I find my target of interest . But before that I do a lot of research, which can come off as borderline stalker . I rarely make a move if I'm not sure there's a mutual interest. The goal is to create "fate /destiny" more or less
It's so fun listening to 5 cores talk about their interest. There was this guy who I met and he was so interested in photo editing that he knew the names of specific hues of colours in great detail. Very cool dude
The people who get angry in this comment section cause Rust calls E5 as docile are not E5. The true E5 is so docile (me) they'd think "damn that's true"
@@Just_Rusted I read the comments and some say they're 1V E5, and I'm thinking like, how does this personality manifest in the real world? How does a person exerting their will if their personality is one of inertia? Do They think arguing on the internet is exerting their will?
VL (VLEF,VLFE) can only be the types that actively focus on self-development (1,3,7). Not five that hoard knowledge under a stone and don't put it into practice.
If they are not SX6, they want to deny their doclie traits. Furthermore, deny self. It is unhealthy, it is cope, it is Ilusion. In the and, It never changes. Some rare E5 can have 8-fix with 3-fix. Still are basement dweller. I was. Yes. I was.
5+8: The Independent Double rejection. Pairing that is the most strategic in their thinking. Enhances the natural line of connection to FIVE and EIGHT. This is the chess master or the mastermind. Very strong opinions about topic they like or study. Knowledge is power to them. Never attack upfront first but can be sneaky and never let its sight away from their opponent. Often doesn’t rely on one course of action and can change on a whim according to the situation. May be underestimated by their peers because of the FIVE’s low energy giving the EIGHT are more subdued presence. This FIVE is less intellectual in the sense of bookworm and more streetwise as this pairing learns best by experience. They oscillate between action and observation very quickly as to never be truly in the moment nor completely still. They often look calm and fixated on something, as they are waiting to strike on their prey at the right time. Menacing or unfriendly presence even if unintentional. Mix of hot and cold energy; may be hard to follow and hard to know deeply. Their heart is very well protected and can be hard to access even to them. Often have a razor-sharp mind and are very good at problem-solving. Have a difficult time connecting with others in a casual, superficial way. Can alternate between periods of action and reflection. The 8 fix helps the core 5 putting their ideas out there and assert themselves. The 5 fix helps the core 8 understand the need to contemplate in order to better grasp the situation.
I lose it 🤣 every time you say, "Theoretically..." OMG. You described my virgin Autistic "Lover Boy." First time I've ever met an 5. My past romantic partners have given me 2 dozen red roses 💐💐. Lover Boy gave me ONE 🌹rose, probably more than he has ever given anyone in his life. SP5, the Castle Dweller 🏰. His way of connecting with me was by playing math mind reading games.
¿A couple between an iei sx5 and a sle so8 could be work? Just out of curiosity, I understand this is not about finding infallible combinations for perfect relationships
@@josejoaquin5885 It's a dual relationship. What you're strong in, the other person is weak in and vice versa, your elements compliment each other, you help the SLE with navigating personal relationships, navigating his feelings while the SLE helps you with staying grounded, motivating you, pushing you and using his pragmatism to help you navigate the world
I do go outside ... Just preferably don't like talking, but i am open to going outside and like nature. I heard that sx 5s tend to be emotional and like nature too maybe that's what it is.. In general tho I don't like small talk unless I meet someone cool and new then I ask a lot of questions
@@thesevenkingswelove9554 The so called 5w4 can be emotional, however, the are arguably the most detached and unemotional of the enneagram types, maybe only dead inside type 8s could come close and that's a maybe. Two cents.
Ok. Let's be clear about Sigma Male 583 Mythos. First, E5 with 8-fix is almost flying unicorn. Can be exist, but hard to find it. Because Both E5 and E8 is rarest type in all types(Not sure). Also their traits are confilcting directly. There are 2 cases of view about 583. It is Balanced 583(K.F.'s Tritype) and 5 cored 583(Original). In K.F.'s Tritype's Description, 583 will be SX6 LSI. This is Simple. In Original Enneagram Theories, 5 cored 583(Well this is the same as 538) is SO5 ILI, SX5 ILI. Someone can say, 'How the f00k SO5, nono E5 can have 8-fix'? 'How the f00k ILI, Se suggestive can have 8-fix'? Yes. both case mostly impossible(Almost flying unicorn). But Let's check all subtypes. Each Subtype have important fixation. SP5 is 9-fix. Lack of 2-fix. SX5 is 4-fix and 2-fix. Lack of 3-fix. SO5 have strong 3-fix. Lack of 2-fix. 1-fix is work with SO5 and SX5. SP5 is most less assertive Type. 9-fix is make that. Far away from 583. SX5 is mostly 8-like E5, but 4-fix and 2-fix are important. Little close to 583. SO5 is 3-fixation have, but still doclie in naranjo's description. Little close to 583. 583 and 549 are same E5. Both are Passive, Docile, basement dweller in the end. They can't be Sigma Male or Badass Mastermind. It's an illusion. Conclusion: If focus on the Original Theories, 583 is SO538 or SX538 ILI IN(T) LVEF or LFEV Model G: ILI-D If focus on the description of K.F's Tritype, 583 is SX683 LSI IT(S) LFVE Model G: LSI-D That's why many SO6 and SX6 mistyped as E5 in PDB.
How they approach things, E6 is much more oriented towards rationality, linear logic, reasoning, in general it's much more of a straight forward thinking process that relies on " in the box" thinking style, the SP 5 is quite different in that way, much more eccentric and their thinking is not bound by strong logical laws like that, it is not the number 1 priority, E6 is in general much more of a logical type than E5 because of that.
As an SP5 584 VLFE, I can say it is a true pleasure to be better than 100% of the population and that's it, like really. I'm not narcissistic but since I was born into this World I knew from right of my being that I'm just perfect as hell and I can do whatever I want. I can even buy cars and make them fly even if that system's not out yet for Society, I can make a hologram of you and throw it to the sharks so the sharks speak their language to you. I can raise two of my fingertips and start to make an eye movement with two balls on the edge of them to receive a Mexican taco and dominate the World. Well, what about you guys? It is so majestic to be a 1V, isn't it?
This is my subjective view. Creative subtype boost NeSe&Fe. Those are Extravert elements. So, yes. Only SX5 and SO5 possible. SX5 get closer because of boost Fe elements. SP5 is SP9 like subtype. Most introvert, Most Passive. ILI-H boost NiSi&Fi, so SP5 Only. ILI-N boost TiFi&Si, so SO5 Only. ILI-D boost TeFe&Se, so SO5 first, SX5 second. Because Te boosting.
I still don't quite understand how Sp5 can have 2F. Well, of course 1L, 3E and 4V make a lot of sense, so it would be enough to put 2F, but they are so lazy towards life, even though they have a high Te, where is the dedication and effort for oneself and other people? Analyzing some Sp5 characters, I still have difficulty understanding them.
PY placements influence each other(4V makes you passive, 3E emotionaly sentitive, 1L reserved? Idk) I also feel like 2F is filler placement in this case.
About the 2F, the 4V has a direct impact on the second physics, the simplistic and minimalist cue, the SP5 is neurotic with survival, they will be competent in their work, their laziness and indifference is more in the social and emotional sense, but they take care of their environment, of a subtle, relaxed way, which is what the 4th volition does with the 2F, leaves it "just enough". Which is again a good match for SP5 and how they treat their sensorial desires. I understand that it is strange to imagine an E5 workaholic, but understand that the context is not at the level of an LSE, the second physics with 4V also goes perfectly with the descriptions of the creative Te, it is a good use of it, but only to help the Base function.
They're both described as squizoids, both are very idealistic, very intellectual, also the good use on logic that may result in arrogance. Take the protagonist from Doctor Stone as an example, he is a SO7 that people thinks is an SO5 because of how much of a intellectual he is.
It's quite a common mistype actually, especially since people associate SO5 with intellectualism, that is a trait shared by SO 7 to a high degree, it can lead to newbies mistype as that.
tbh I do have an issue with the using the word "docile" as a description- the type is moreso looking at the world as all noise, no substance and a massive drain on mental energy that does not give enough to be worth being involved in- thus, it's basically looking at all that and giving it the middle finger and walking away. Maybe from an outsider perspective (especially assertive types) that can be seen as docile, to not want to be involved? (I normally associate docility with trying to do as others ask and conform to their needs, but that's more of a 9w1, and somewhat of an attachment tendency in general) but it really should be kept in mind that it's still a rejection type and want to not feel or appear weak- since help cannot be expected you gotta be independent and strong- that is the underlying core theme, despite how it appears. If you ever watched Serial Experiments Lain it sort of paints the picture- Lain being maybe being seen as quite docile from an outsider perspective, but the God complex is still there (same as with 2 and 8, very dignity-preserving types), (not to mention line to 8), and I think it's a deeper layer to the type than how most people understand it. so being stuck in one's own mind can be a place where you feel the most powerful and capable, and not having to conform to outside demands. (to contrast that with 9, they can be in their own minds to maintain a sense of peace, but for 5 it's about holding on to their own sense of power/capabilities). Any outside appearance of docility is 100% deceptive (unintentionally). (and I don't think this aspect changes at all based on the instinct, even if there is some variation among the instincts)
@@JavierMFarias tbh idgaf what Naranjo or any teacher says. If it makes sense to me, great- otherwise, something is either off or lost in translation, or they are mistaken. maybe my thoughts give off sx vibes, and I am coming somewhat from that perspective, sure- I do have high sx, it's either close second or first. But the instinct won't completely change the type entirely, if the type is in a certain triad group then it really doesn't matter what Naranjo says or what the instinct is, it won't completely change the underlying theme, it might only change outer aspects of how they appear. there's a certain tendency in 5's that I have noticed- if you interrupt them when they are focusing on something, they might try to be nice- but the key word is "try." You will really get the sense that you are annoying them- because having thoughts interrupted is really really annoying! (Maybe a bit hard to describe or understand if someone hasn't noticed this before). of course, they won't bite your head off, but I can't even say that I have gotten "docile" vibes from those person, just mega introverted/withdrawn vibes. 9w1 is the only type where I consistently feel that they are docile and actually receptive to people at the drop of a hat. 5's just aren't, they actually have to try to be nice. also: the correlation between 5's all being low to average (at best) in agreeableness is already established. So "docile" as a descriptor, to me, would be like "high agreeableness." That just doesn't fit, though. If that isn't what is meant, then, I suppose never mind then lol
'so being stuck in one's own mind can be a place where you feel the most powerful and capable, and not having to conform to outside demands.' This parts very fit to me.
@@ibanezmonsterg bro you not accepting the FACT that E5 is docile and not an evil mastermind INTJ 2020 steriotype is not my problem, your idealization that you call "sense" has no logical or theory behind it. There is a whole book which explains how docility and hypersensivity works on E5, Rust only made an resume, your lame ass comment won't change facts. Based on your perception alone you already failed, what you described is still a docile behaviour, you just felt offended by the word.
@@ibanezmonsterg Also btw another thing you got wrong, SP9 is far more aggressive and reactive than any E5 would ever be, you just lack theory knowlegement.
It's on the Enenagram 5 book, you can go there and disagree with a 500+pages book from the co-creator of this typology just bc you felt offended by a word.
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LMAO
😭😭😭 bruh roasted the living shit out of me
It's all love dude dw
So5's description was very relatable, thank you again for making good videos like these.
I am glad it fits you and no worries g
It's funny how PDB types every E5 as an SP subtype but when they meet actual SP5 they type them as SP9
Yeah it's a type that is easily confused for SP9, i don't really blame them for that, shit can be hard to figure out.
Before the "docility" thing became a clout, I will debunk it for yall.
Docility on E5 (SP5 and SO5) is described as shy, passive, conflict avoidant, the exception is SX5. Docility does not mean submission or devotion.
Here are some quotes from the E5 book about how docility works on SP5 and SO5:
SP5: "Over-docility leads this subtype to interfere with his/her own spontaneity and with his/her preferences. This over-docility would not be possible without a strongly repressed need for love. Inaction can manifest as noncommitment, passivity, and apathy. Inaction can be the result of wanting to keep his/her intentions hidden."
SO5: "The social E5 is resigned, preferring to keep frustration to him/herself. He/she can end up accepting the other's wish, because he/she does not know how to say no - as part of avoiding conflicts. The absence of conflicts is only maintained by renouncing life,"
Is just like Rusted explained, no big deal, stop idealizing E5, being triggered about an term is so childish.
And let me remind yall something, E5 is not that evil, cold hearted mastermind INTJ 16p steriotype you guys are used too. PDB is very used to see E5 as SO6 or SX6s.
Docility in the English language means "submissive to the will of another".. and that's simply not true for even the meekest five..
lol I didn't know this. Does this mean that 5s are accommodating in Big 5?
@@Sol_Invictus77No. They just avoid conflict
E5 is not a type with strong will in general with SO 5 being 2V as the exception, both SX 5 and SP 5 are weak will types.
@@Just_Rustedboth sp & sx 5's can be 2v in AP..
bro, make the enneagram 6. there are a lot of misconceptions about it
True man, it will happen no worries
we save the most missunderstood for last
RIP all the poor 6 who keep getting directed to 5 because of having a damn brain and not being an anxious trainwreck
I want to see what he says about my dad. Dis gonna be good...
Finally! I wait for this!
Rust, This is very useful.
Thx.
You're welcome
Painfully accurate as always
That is a good sign!
This is unironically accurate
so I wasnt so far off when I suspected myself to be so6 and so7
all social subtypes of head triad are so relatable but e5 core is the realest
SO5 is when SO1 wannabe
SX5 is when SO4 wannabe
SP5 is when SP9 wannabe
Basedpilled
Real I'm a SO1 wannabe
Dis true
Thanks for making this video! Plus this type actually fits me more than enneagram 7 and 6. I think they're more likely to mistype me as an So6 or So7 because of my extroverted intellectualism and can be very highly rational
im an sx/sp 5 but i'd say i'm very very far from arrogant or rude. maybe secretly arrogant, yes, but not in public, and definitely not rude. i'm diplomatic and polite towards people and warm towards strangers and friends alike
Comments for mad E5 about 'docile'.
Docile means in here: high degree of restraint, difficulty to act, easily feeling overwhelmed by the external. Weak in Se(E5: ILI, IEI, LII).
If you are not SX6 and E5 but don't be like being or feel 'weak'/(weak is not docile), focus on the restraint traits. It is a gift to long term suvival in a consumerism modern society.
Say again Weak and Docile are not the same.
Great stuff here
Hey rust, very good video, wanted to ask what would you say the difference between an ILI Sx5 and an IEI Sx5 is considering they have the same desires but act in a different way
Like would the IEI be a little bit more outgoing when they meet that “ideal guy/girl” and would the ILI be just as outgoing but maybe in a different way, like they’re more straightforward in their communication and less Naive if you know what I mean
Though some say sx5 ILI doesn’t exist (I personally think this is a bad take but I digress) I’d say the IEI SX5 will be a lot more romantic and interpersonal love oriented, ILI may be more likely to express their feelings/passion in more traditional “geeky” things/areas, and art. Like I always think of those artists who make portraits out of equations and math and sht but in short yea the IEI is gonna be more outgoing (relatively) and interpersonally passionate than ILI since they don’t have Fe polr weighing them down, and because of Te polr IEI’s are a lot more naive in general
I'm sx5 and typed as IEI. The short summary is that I act like an 8 stereotype more or less when I find my target of interest . But before that I do a lot of research, which can come off as borderline stalker . I rarely make a move if I'm not sure there's a mutual interest. The goal is to create "fate /destiny" more or less
It's so fun listening to 5 cores talk about their interest. There was this guy who I met and he was so interested in photo editing that he knew the names of specific hues of colours in great detail. Very cool dude
The people who get angry in this comment section cause Rust calls E5 as docile are not E5. The true E5 is so docile (me) they'd think "damn that's true"
I suspect they're just mistyped SX 6s.
@@Just_Rusted I read the comments and some say they're 1V E5, and I'm thinking like, how does this personality manifest in the real world? How does a person exerting their will if their personality is one of inertia? Do They think arguing on the internet is exerting their will?
VL (VLEF,VLFE) can only be the types that actively focus on self-development (1,3,7). Not five that hoard knowledge under a stone and don't put it into practice.
If they are not SX6, they want to deny their doclie traits.
Furthermore, deny self.
It is unhealthy, it is cope, it is Ilusion.
In the and, It never changes.
Some rare E5 can have 8-fix with 3-fix. Still are basement dweller.
I was. Yes. I was.
@@JC-852 Hi can you elaborate on that a bit more?
Informative as usual. Jokes were facts.
Cheers
Wake up babe rusted just uploaded
Lmao
As a girl, The sexual 5 literally freaked me out.
You summed me up as a human being. How is that possible.
Freaks me out.
What sociotypes is sx5 correlated with besides IEI?
ILI
ILI
5+8: The Independent
Double rejection.
Pairing that is the most strategic in their thinking.
Enhances the natural line of connection to FIVE and EIGHT.
This is the chess master or the mastermind.
Very strong opinions about topic they like or study.
Knowledge is power to them.
Never attack upfront first but can be sneaky and never let its sight away from their opponent.
Often doesn’t rely on one course of action and can change on a whim according to the situation.
May be underestimated by their peers because of the FIVE’s low energy giving the EIGHT are more subdued presence.
This FIVE is less intellectual in the sense of bookworm and more streetwise as this pairing learns best by experience.
They oscillate between action and observation very quickly as to never be truly in the moment nor completely still.
They often look calm and fixated on something, as they are waiting to strike on their prey at the right time.
Menacing or unfriendly presence even if unintentional.
Mix of hot and cold energy; may be hard to follow and hard to know deeply.
Their heart is very well protected and can be hard to access even to them.
Often have a razor-sharp mind and are very good at problem-solving.
Have a difficult time connecting with others in a casual, superficial way.
Can alternate between periods of action and reflection.
The 8 fix helps the core 5 putting their ideas out there and assert themselves.
The 5 fix helps the core 8 understand the need to contemplate in order to better grasp the situation.
ISTP/IT(S) sx683 LSI LFVE
the inventor of circle jerking be like:
Wow , this was almost painful, but entertaining as usual. Thanks for sharing!
What would be the most likely PY type for IEI sx5?
LEVF
@@Just_Rusted thanks , this explains a lot !
I lose it 🤣 every time you say, "Theoretically..." OMG. You described my virgin Autistic "Lover Boy." First time I've ever met an 5. My past romantic partners have given me 2 dozen red roses 💐💐. Lover Boy gave me ONE 🌹rose, probably more than he has ever given anyone in his life. SP5, the Castle Dweller 🏰. His way of connecting with me was by playing math mind reading games.
how to really differentiate sp5 and sp 9? what do you think suit SLI more?
I'm fighting the impulse to say
ummm... akschually ☝🤓
¿A couple between an iei sx5 and a sle so8 could be work?
Just out of curiosity, I understand this is not about finding infallible combinations for perfect relationships
There is no such thing as SLE SO 5, those two types are complete opposite
@@Just_Rusted I was referring to S08 I didn't notice my mistake
@@josejoaquin5885 It's a dual relationship.
What you're strong in, the other person is weak in and vice versa, your elements compliment each other, you help the SLE with navigating personal relationships, navigating his feelings while the SLE helps you with staying grounded, motivating you, pushing you and using his pragmatism to help you navigate the world
@@Just_Rusted thanks
What's the quickest (preferably not Se-pilled) way to make a five go outside?
kick them in the ass
( i guess i failed at the not Se-pilled part )
Buy a new scientific book.
Depends on the sociotype.
Did you have any one in mind?
I do go outside ... Just preferably don't like talking, but i am open to going outside and like nature. I heard that sx 5s tend to be emotional and like nature too maybe that's what it is.. In general tho I don't like small talk unless I meet someone cool and new then I ask a lot of questions
@@thesevenkingswelove9554
The so called 5w4 can be emotional, however, the are arguably the most detached and unemotional of the enneagram types, maybe only dead inside type 8s could come close and that's a maybe.
Two cents.
Ok. Let's be clear about Sigma Male 583 Mythos.
First, E5 with 8-fix is almost flying unicorn.
Can be exist, but hard to find it.
Because Both E5 and E8 is rarest type in all types(Not sure).
Also their traits are confilcting directly.
There are 2 cases of view about 583.
It is Balanced 583(K.F.'s Tritype) and 5 cored 583(Original).
In K.F.'s Tritype's Description, 583 will be SX6 LSI. This is Simple.
In Original Enneagram Theories, 5 cored 583(Well this is the same as 538) is SO5 ILI, SX5 ILI.
Someone can say,
'How the f00k SO5, nono E5 can have 8-fix'?
'How the f00k ILI, Se suggestive can have 8-fix'?
Yes. both case mostly impossible(Almost flying unicorn).
But Let's check all subtypes.
Each Subtype have important fixation.
SP5 is 9-fix. Lack of 2-fix.
SX5 is 4-fix and 2-fix. Lack of 3-fix.
SO5 have strong 3-fix. Lack of 2-fix.
1-fix is work with SO5 and SX5.
SP5 is most less assertive Type. 9-fix is make that.
Far away from 583.
SX5 is mostly 8-like E5, but 4-fix and 2-fix are important.
Little close to 583.
SO5 is 3-fixation have, but still doclie in naranjo's description.
Little close to 583.
583 and 549 are same E5. Both are Passive, Docile, basement dweller in the end.
They can't be Sigma Male or Badass Mastermind.
It's an illusion.
Conclusion:
If focus on the Original Theories, 583 is
SO538 or SX538
ILI
IN(T)
LVEF or LFEV
Model G: ILI-D
If focus on the description of K.F's Tritype, 583 is
SX683
LSI
IT(S)
LFVE
Model G: LSI-D
That's why many SO6 and SX6 mistyped as E5 in PDB.
Great in depth analysis
@@Just_RustedThx.
More likely though E5 would have 8 in their last stack (me) cuz I have never seen an E5 that is an 58x maybe Sx5 or So5 but Sp5 is contraictory.
I realize Sx5 8 fix are just 1 fix at this point so they gotta have 8 fix as their last fix or they are mostly mistyped
How do i tell a sp5 from a 6 since sp5s learn stuff for security
How they approach things, E6 is much more oriented towards rationality, linear logic, reasoning, in general it's much more of a straight forward thinking process that relies on " in the box" thinking style, the SP 5 is quite different in that way, much more eccentric and their thinking is not bound by strong logical laws like that, it is not the number 1 priority, E6 is in general much more of a logical type than E5 because of that.
As an SP5 584 VLFE, I can say it is a true pleasure to be better than 100% of the population and that's it, like really. I'm not narcissistic but since I was born into this World I knew from right of my being that I'm just perfect as hell and I can do whatever I want. I can even buy cars and make them fly even if that system's not out yet for Society, I can make a hologram of you and throw it to the sharks so the sharks speak their language to you. I can raise two of my fingertips and start to make an eye movement with two balls on the edge of them to receive a Mexican taco and dominate the World.
Well, what about you guys? It is so majestic to be a 1V, isn't it?
Average 1V SP5 584 sigma male cosplayer
@@Just_Rusted Just a little bit
*SP7 784 VLFE
sx6 or sp7 copium
what do you think about ILI-creative subtype?
Is it only SX5 or is SO5 possible?
This is my subjective view.
Creative subtype boost NeSe&Fe.
Those are Extravert elements.
So, yes. Only SX5 and SO5 possible.
SX5 get closer because of boost Fe elements.
SP5 is SP9 like subtype.
Most introvert, Most Passive.
ILI-H boost NiSi&Fi, so SP5 Only.
ILI-N boost TiFi&Si, so SO5 Only.
ILI-D boost TeFe&Se, so SO5 first, SX5 second. Because Te boosting.
Rusted i am an E8 and i have depression
Cosplayer!
@@Just_Rusted thanks bro
I still don't quite understand how Sp5 can have 2F.
Well, of course 1L, 3E and 4V make a lot of sense, so it would be enough to put 2F, but they are so lazy towards life, even though they have a high Te, where is the dedication and effort for oneself and other people? Analyzing some Sp5 characters, I still have difficulty understanding them.
PY placements influence each other(4V makes you passive, 3E emotionaly sentitive, 1L reserved? Idk) I also feel like 2F is filler placement in this case.
About the 2F, the 4V has a direct impact on the second physics, the simplistic and minimalist cue, the SP5 is neurotic with survival, they will be competent in their work, their laziness and indifference is more in the social and emotional sense, but they take care of their environment, of a subtle, relaxed way, which is what the 4th volition does with the 2F, leaves it "just enough". Which is again a good match for SP5 and how they treat their sensorial desires.
I understand that it is strange to imagine an E5 workaholic, but understand that the context is not at the level of an LSE, the second physics with 4V also goes perfectly with the descriptions of the creative Te, it is a good use of it, but only to help the Base function.
How is so5 similar to an so7?
They're both described as squizoids, both are very idealistic, very intellectual, also the good use on logic that may result in arrogance.
Take the protagonist from Doctor Stone as an example, he is a SO7 that people thinks is an SO5 because of how much of a intellectual he is.
@@JavierMFarias as in squizoid did you mean schizoid?
It's quite a common mistype actually, especially since people associate SO5 with intellectualism, that is a trait shared by SO 7 to a high degree, it can lead to newbies mistype as that.
@@Akiracife yeah sorry, my english is not the best
@@JavierMFarias yeah its fine dw
need to be combined with jungian typology. INTJ 5 is very different from INTP 5.
Sociotype correlation:
SP5: ILI
SO5: ILI again
SX: ILI once more.
#ILISWEEP
so5: ILI, LII
SLI can be Sp5 too, just as LII goes well with So5 and IEI with Sx5.
Indeed ILI is E5 coded.
But SP5 can be SLI, SX5 can be IEI and SO5 can be LII.
I think he meant is for the archetypes
tbh I do have an issue with the using the word "docile" as a description- the type is moreso looking at the world as all noise, no substance and a massive drain on mental energy that does not give enough to be worth being involved in- thus, it's basically looking at all that and giving it the middle finger and walking away. Maybe from an outsider perspective (especially assertive types) that can be seen as docile, to not want to be involved?
(I normally associate docility with trying to do as others ask and conform to their needs, but that's more of a 9w1, and somewhat of an attachment tendency in general)
but it really should be kept in mind that it's still a rejection type and want to not feel or appear weak- since help cannot be expected you gotta be independent and strong- that is the underlying core theme, despite how it appears. If you ever watched Serial Experiments Lain it sort of paints the picture- Lain being maybe being seen as quite docile from an outsider perspective, but the God complex is still there (same as with 2 and 8, very dignity-preserving types), (not to mention line to 8), and I think it's a deeper layer to the type than how most people understand it.
so being stuck in one's own mind can be a place where you feel the most powerful and capable, and not having to conform to outside demands. (to contrast that with 9, they can be in their own minds to maintain a sense of peace, but for 5 it's about holding on to their own sense of power/capabilities).
Any outside appearance of docility is 100% deceptive (unintentionally).
(and I don't think this aspect changes at all based on the instinct, even if there is some variation among the instincts)
SO5 and SP5 are docile and Naranjo said that himself, you just described SX5 issues. Take note
@@JavierMFarias tbh idgaf what Naranjo or any teacher says. If it makes sense to me, great- otherwise, something is either off or lost in translation, or they are mistaken.
maybe my thoughts give off sx vibes, and I am coming somewhat from that perspective, sure- I do have high sx, it's either close second or first. But the instinct won't completely change the type entirely, if the type is in a certain triad group then it really doesn't matter what Naranjo says or what the instinct is, it won't completely change the underlying theme, it might only change outer aspects of how they appear.
there's a certain tendency in 5's that I have noticed- if you interrupt them when they are focusing on something, they might try to be nice- but the key word is "try." You will really get the sense that you are annoying them- because having thoughts interrupted is really really annoying! (Maybe a bit hard to describe or understand if someone hasn't noticed this before).
of course, they won't bite your head off, but I can't even say that I have gotten "docile" vibes from those person, just mega introverted/withdrawn vibes. 9w1 is the only type where I consistently feel that they are docile and actually receptive to people at the drop of a hat. 5's just aren't, they actually have to try to be nice.
also: the correlation between 5's all being low to average (at best) in agreeableness is already established. So "docile" as a descriptor, to me, would be like "high agreeableness." That just doesn't fit, though. If that isn't what is meant, then, I suppose never mind then lol
'so being stuck in one's own mind can be a place where you feel the most powerful and capable, and not having to conform to outside demands.'
This parts very fit to me.
@@ibanezmonsterg bro you not accepting the FACT that E5 is docile and not an evil mastermind INTJ 2020 steriotype is not my problem, your idealization that you call "sense" has no logical or theory behind it. There is a whole book which explains how docility and hypersensivity works on E5, Rust only made an resume, your lame ass comment won't change facts.
Based on your perception alone you already failed, what you described is still a docile behaviour, you just felt offended by the word.
@@ibanezmonsterg Also btw another thing you got wrong, SP9 is far more aggressive and reactive than any E5 would ever be, you just lack theory knowlegement.
Bro destroying them 💀💀 man you funny
5s like the truth and facts
Anyone has an idea of Richard Dawkins full type ?
sp5 is literally depression it doesnt even makes sense
auhgghghhh what am i
i hate enneagram
All e5 are
@@nislass1742 it doesnt even make sense
You forgot to mention the reliance on waifus for sx5 types. I think it's time for a reshooting.
Waifu pillow case and his fav anime in the background
Sexual 5 PY types ?
LEVF, LEFV, LFEV
Docile? as in "ready to accept control or instruction; submissive" ?? you're very wrong my friend..
It's on the Enenagram 5 book, you can go there and disagree with a 500+pages book from the co-creator of this typology just bc you felt offended by a word.
And btw thats not how docile is described for E5, docility on E5 is described as conflict avoidance, fear of imposing and taking action into others
I told you to drop the sigma male 583 cosplay
@@Just_Rusted can a 5 become 8 though hard work? Ahh shit .i wish there was a way . i heard no
8 is an integration point for 5 so i guess yes, it's natural@@lp3198