5w4 INTJs vs 5w4 ENFPs with Michael Y. and Shannon Welch | Type Talks E43
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2020
- We compare and contrast the 5w4 INTJs with 5w4 ENFPs.
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ENFP 5w4 here. Shan's thought process and communication style is exactly the way mine is. ENFP 5w4 is definitely a real type combination. Not every ENFP is going to have the same upbringing and be exactly the same. Our experiences, culture, mental health, and how we were raised will all play into how an ENFP looks from the outside.
So proud of you, Joyce for facilitating these wonderful conversations to show real people talking about all of this!
Thank you, Christian!! I try really hard to represent people's actual experiences as their type so it means a lot for you to recognize that. 🙂 I love the work you do at Dopeamine too
I love how the INTJ 5w4 is already starting to get Dr Strange hair with the grey sides.
5w4 ENFP here. I am a dentist and a photographer and an artist and a musician. This was a great interview. I appreciate the insight gained. Thank you.
“Organizing the information gives me energy, not taking it in.” The needing notes to anchor yourself thing... What Michael is saying resonates with me SO MUCH as a 5w4 INFJ!
I am also an ENFP-A 5w4 & got mistyped as an INFJ several times. But after studying MBTI more in details with all those cognitive functions and features of ENFP, I could relate myself with the inner thought process of an ENFP but the outer behaviours were really hard to relate. I thought, "Why are ENFPs be represented as clowns or immature grown babies?! Am I even an ENFP?"
Then when I began to analyze some of my nature as an ENFP and finally came to know about enneagram with the winging types, I finally could find out that my type is a rare type which is ENFP-A 5w4 & often mistyped as an introvert. It’s really good to see another same typed ENFP as me. Her expressions, way of having outfit, communication style, behaviour, thoughts are also same as me. 💙
As an ENFP 5w4, I've been mistyped as an intp countless of times (and related to it a lot)
The emoting for an INTJ in my opinion is the use of Fi+Te to synthetically make what appears to be Fe. It requires development of both functions to be able to do vs Fe being a single function. it is not real Fe. We are not looking for generic harmony, we are self reflecting on our values (Fi) and deciding what the most objective and efficient way to go about it is (Te); which could be harmony in that particular situation, but it's not for the sake of harmony alone. We are doing it because we care about the person or the outcome. So we decide to play the game not because we want to, but because we value the outcome. In fact, we still hate it because it can feel inauthentic. An example is when someone is venting to me and doesn't want a solution. Naturally my Te wants to find a solution, but then I realize that is not what they want, and I value (fi) them and want them to feel better, so I tell them what will make them feel better. But we do not like doing this because it goes against our own authenticity which is also associated with Fi. So, when an INTJ shows this trait it means they have a very well developed Fi and can actually pit the two values against each other and then put the Te out in a semi-Fe way. But we can not do this for a long time, as it is very draining. It requires a lot practice to be able to do it without being called out. - INTJ 5W4
Yes! Fi and Te used in combination can somewhat mimic the effect of Fe. However it comes from a different starting place than it would for a Fe user. Thank you for your insights, Adam! :) There's a lot of truth in what you wrote.
As an Fi+Te user, I can say that, the Fi+Te or Te+Fi any of one combination can be seem like Fe if used with balance. I think none of them are unimportant. I also prioritise authenticity. But I perceive and measure them with my Fi then my Te starts working. For example, if somebody vents out something on me, I see they are just venting out all those things and this is hurting me, venting out something doesn’t seem right to me and I cannot express it until I refer them an alternative to cope with it but solution may not work at this moment. But to say what should be done at the moment, I should know and listen at first what's really happening. After some moment, roaming around some time in my head, I begin to ask them what really happened and if there is something I can do for that or not. If not (that's most of the case), then I ask them to tell what really happened. Then I try to understand, processing and analyzing all those things and asking questions after questions at a time. Then gradually, I express my point of view depending on what I heard from them, they also try to explain me the things in more details. Then analyzing the problems itself, I try to make them understand what could be done to cope with the situation instead of venting that out, because doing this I feel bad too. Maybe they do not need any solution that moment, or maybe there is nothing to do or no solution at the moment about the problem, but you could cope with that in a different way. They have no right to spoil the peace of my mind or the environment, they could share anything with me instead of venting out. They have their rights to express their emotions because that might make them feel better. But that doesn’t mean venting out can bring any solution neither can make the feelings better anyway, rather it could make everything worse because that only brings impatience and breaks all the peace. They could simply share that to feel better at least. Or if they think there might have something to do or need solution about that, they might directly ask for solution. What you need? Solution or emotional peace or support? Feeling bad? I'll try my best. But don't vent out. You have a reason to feel bad but I would not even have a reason to feel bad if you behave like that. That's what I try to make them understand. 😅
- ENFP-A 5w4.
@@smazynashiya8234 hi, it seems to me, that you clearly need to set boundaries to that person, that vents to you non stop. Venting is important, but it's important to THEM to figure out what they need in life. They can't use you all the time as target. They have to find other outlets. 😅
@adambankoff8525 hi, as an Fi-Te- user, I have to add, that solutions often have to be found in the feeling/subjective realm. Solving something means not only to find Te- objective solutions but to also get your Fi- needs and desires straight. And the solutions might be quite subjective as what works for others might not work for this Individuum.😊
@@Limette454 Thanks.
The ENFP uses her Ne a lot when she looks up and to the right while gathering info, then down and left to try and solidify her train of thought. Interesting. The INTJ uses a neutral Ni stare.
One thing common for Enfps are their eye movements, constantly looking up/down left/right when recalling some incident or just .. talking. Is it Ne looking for creativity or is it Si trying to remember the details.. or is it both because personally I don't exactly remember some incidents to detail so I'll just say something similar with the help of my creative Ne.
Infp 6w5 here! I had to download this video because it brought out and highlighted the part of me which is a total information organization junkie so I can use it later to motivate me and get revved up for projects I am procrastinating on!! Loved both of the guests so much!! Thank you!
"..the alternative is the abyss." (Michael) Haha love it.
The part where Michael talks about a gap in consciousness under stress for the INTJ, how we can become un triggerable or close to it. I can relate to that, the greater the stress or seriousness of the outcome the greater the gap. On the battlefield I use to say it felt like I was 50 feet up in the air, the body still reacting to the stress but the distance was great. I was calm and seeing things from a birds eye view in my mind. Great conversation guys
My goodness, this is such a great and informative video! You, Shannon & Michael are a joy to listen to; It's wonderful to be able to relate to other 5s! :) Thank you so much for organising these talks! :)
Our pleasure :) Happy you enjoyed watching this Enneagram 5 rabbit hole, @Tisa P.ublic!!
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(INTJ 584 5w4 sx>sp) I experience the "mental choke" frequently when delivering information verbally. If I have to articulate a detailed concept or idea it is vastly easier for me to do so through writing. If the situation simply calls for a snap judgement my Ni can handle that. But to organize my thoughts and arguments in a coherent manner, I have to write it down.
I am the same but I am an INFP 4w 5 sp. I also think that when I deliver it verbally it is not as detailed and it does not adequately capture all the nuances of the information as it would be in writing.
@@MeliMeli66 I think, writing allows me to dream openly and express it through words.
Like, while I am writing I find a complete new dimension of inspiration. The thought circus gets an stage.
Same here as an ENFP 5w4
When someone asks me to explain a concept, I struggle and would much rather have a visual example or aide to help explain it correctly. That would require a written script as well so that the idea is communicated in an adequate manner.
Thank you everyone for sharing! There doesn’t seem to be as much 5w4 content out there, especially for those seeking to explore more deeply.
On the cognitive dissonance subject, it is like we have the function but feel emotionally detached from it. As an INFJ 5w4 I am aware of other’s emotions and do mirror emotional energy levels back to others without thinking about it. But inside I feel rather detached from others energy. I can consciously know when emotions are taking a situation sideways and how to introduce a point in a way that is more receptive. I struggle sometimes to ‘feel’ others in an internal way unless the other person’s energy is really powerful or is in tune with something that is already deeply personal within myself. As Michael was saying, analyzing other’s emotions feels almost like an out-of-body experience compared with the analytical side, which feels like home.
I very much relate Shannon’s thinking regarding the lack of emotional response in early childhood possibly leading one to be more like a 5. I had basically the same experience. I felt in my case I had to be the adult in the room emotionally speaking, at least since 5 years old. That and intellect seemed the only safe place to explore freely.
This emotional detachment, even from one’s own emotions, comes out in some interesting ways. I’ve had multiple occasions where different people can tell that I’m embarrassed by something because my face becomes flush. I’m not even consciously aware of that till they mention it. Even after they mention it I still feel somewhat detached from the emotions of it. And it feels almost unfair that others can read me almost as easily as I can read them as an INFJ!
I like how Shannon is able to monitor and be aware of her emotional levels and when it needs to be processed. I feel I’m far less aware of those levels as an INFJ 5w4. The technique that helps me process is to ask my emotional self lots of yes/no questions. Based on how my body/emotions respond I can help narrow down to why I am feeling what I am feeling. (This narrowing down feels very Ni!) And I can tell I feel much better once my emotions feel heard and responded to. It’s easy to do this for other people, doing so with myself feels a challenge.
Seeing different types process being 5w4 is super helpful for me clarifying where one aspect stops and the other begins. It's really clarifying for me. Thanks!
P.S. Joyce, you might remember me from Meghan's group. Might be easier to put a face and a voice to a comment that way!
As another INFJ 5w4 I resonate with this too!
Bodily perception helps and also I made once a nice spreadsheet of different emotions with all possible nuances and poetic descriptions. That was very fun and helped as well.
8:30 what Michael is describing here is spot-on. I find myself overwhelmed and depleted when engulfed with too much information. However, I get this surge of energy when organizing information. I call it 'cataloging'
I love your music, both the intro and outro.
I love listening to Micheal because I believe I'm also a INTJ 5w4 social subtype so I can relate to alot of what he is saying. And when he talks about something that I hadn't thought about. It's very eye opening. When he says something I can relate to it feels good because I had thought before looking at MBTI that I was alone in how I was and seeing that I'm not is interesting and in many ways amazing.
Oh wwwoooowww, Joyce I just LOVE when you share your wealth of knowledge on all this. That is SO INTERESTING what you just said about us maybe having fewer mirror neurons. Maybe that's a key difference between Fe and Fi. Obviously there is more to it because just being unaware of the feelings of another person does not necessarily make you have a stronger Fi/values identity. So that's also an added factor. But also, when i am paying attention, I am good, naturally, at mirroring people. But it's just in situations where I am not paying attention and then I am hit with an emotional moment, then I need to refer to my Te repertoire of ways I've learned to read feelings (micro-expressions, body language, tone of voice, etc.). But once I get in that mode I naturally start doing it. It just seems to be difficult when coming out of Te. Actually, I really think it's a matter of focus. We are just NOT focused on people's emotions. We can do it if/when we focus on it but it's like, if you're looking at the sky, you don't see the ground you're walking on. But if you turn your attention to the ground, then of course you see the grass and rocks and dirt and hills and holes, etc. I think what's confusing for Fe users is that we (Fi users) can SEEM like we are focused on you, when really we're not always focused on you. I've learned to be very deliberate in my attention and focus with people because I think it's a show of respect to give someone your full attention and if I'm going to have a conversation with someone, then I'm going to give them my full attention. But when in a group setting, that focus cannot branch out and be directed at everyone at the same time. So I just pick up on whatever or whoever has my attention in that moment.
They look like twins like inverse mirror images. Joyce thank you for somehow managing to nurture so many different types meeting them where they are at and letting them open like flowers. Watching these two so open was like watching rare flowers that only bloom in certain conditions open up. Also, I’m three videos into Michael’s channel and holy shit Michael if you were teaching in my psych department I would have taken all of your classes. You’re understanding of the intellectual, emotional and just alllll of the NF wheels churning from Freud and Jung’s interactions and what that meant to the canon of Psychology. Wow. Also, thank you for explaining NI, I’ve been trying to pin that one down for a while and your video made sense. I could listen to these two all day as I did things and be so happy. Make a podcast!!!
Oh wwwwoooooowww, LOL Joyce, you and Michael are now using terms I just used in my comment below: "abyss", "framework", etc. (I comment as I watch, not at the end). It's so interesting how similar we are with that Ni. I love this stuff. I never felt like I fully belonged until discovering MBTI. I mean, I got really close to feeling that sense of belonging in grad school when studying biology but before and after that have always felt SO different. Also being gay I'm sure added to that sense of alienation. So it's so fun to see how you all are so similar! :-)
I’m enfp-a with 5w4 girl but I’m pretty sure it’s right because i did the tests more than 3-4 times . I’m a bit confused bout the people disagree w this type like because they think it’s impossible/wrong.If you ask for my opinion, i don’t think it’s impossible to be this type because like over 7 billion people is living on earth and every person on earth is different than the other and have different personalities so therefore ofc there will be a possibility of people can be this (enfp-5w4) type right? :) and yea we exist in this universe
I'm the exact same type as you and I agree. Sure, it's probably rare to be both enfp and 5w4 but it's certainly not impossible, in fact it's rare to find something that genuinely is impossible.
This is like the best video for me in working out if i am lead Ni , i think a lot but there is nothing there i have to talk for it to come out and if i get stuck or theres an interruption and then i cant get back to my spot most times and its nearly almost always about the thing i will talk about the thing not how i feel.
INTJ 1w9, and I find myself also resonating with 5 in certain situations due to the General INTJness of it all. So if love to see the difference between an INTJ like Michael and an INTJ 1w9.
So true; I relate to other INFJs from different enneagram types because of their general INFJ-ness as well. I'll be covering different enneagram types with the same MBTI type soon!
I agree. INTJ 1w9 here as well. I'm also curious how Michael and Shan would be using the OP animals and gender categories as compared to enneagram types and see w/c one gives the best approximation of their behavior. Nah, just thinking out loud. xD
Same here, also compared to INTJ type 5, I do think type 1 INTJs tend to be a bit more action and Te oriented.
Same to you as well Joyce. Omniscience applies to that bank of accumulated Ti truths that Te likes to Ping with as well.
Always great insights on your videos. 👍
You are now our favorite typology channel here at home. 👍
😁corny joke: i used to be a fan of your channel, now, i'm an airconditioner. hehe. xD ✌️✌️✌️
"i used to be a fan of your channel, now, i'm an airconditioner."
the pun game is strong with this one! 🤣🤣 I love it.
Thank you, what high praise - You're so encouraging and humorous, Johnnie. What a deadly combo. 😊
I find alot of videos about INTJ type 5, but still looking for one explaining all the other types. Especially the more rare ones.
It's hard to relate to anyone because I'm a 8w7 INTJ
The 'I've got nothing' ramble happens in hopes of dragging the exact picture close enough to the surface to give it words, otherwise the screen will just 'bleep out' and be blank.
wow, I'm an ENFP 7w8 but I related si much to a lot of this, especially the part about experiencing emotions delayed and also learning things about communication and performing them. not that I don't feel those things, but there is sometimes a disconnect at the moment like a veil, happy to see you, but the emotion, the way the other person expresses isn't readily available like that, it's almost more of a thought and later the emotional part really hits be, with some downtime, when I'm not expecting it.
joyce this video helped me a lot, i found out i am ENFP 4W5 and see Shan was just so heartwarming. i am really close to her mindset. i feels less weird to be ENFP now, although i love my 4w5 so i can be alert of things and datas.
I relate so much to Shannons emotions not working properly. I have almost the exact same thing. I was wondering if it was a type 5 thing or if it was because I don't have Fi, or what.
Equally, I was thinking "Yeah, I mean, it's probably just repeated emotional shock numbing you to actual feelings", and then you said basically that.
I don't know what to make of all this. Maybe I should feel about it or something.
INTJ Enneagram 5w6 here. I can never quite decide between 4 or 6 although "Troubleshooter" does fit me more than "Philosopher" but I can be that as well at times. I share so much with the 4s like the strengths, sensitivity and preference to almost always be alone, but not the weaknesses. My weaknesses match the 6 wing perfectly. I basically just narrowed it down to 6 because the weaknesses and because of the types of jobs that tend to go with 6s. I literally have had 4 of the 8 jobs listed for 5w6 (biologist, programmer, technician and professor/college TA/science lab teacher). Although I'm an excellent writer and do have a book I'm mapping out now that I want to write ONE DAY (which goes with 4 wing). I've wanted to be a writer since I was a little child and one day I'm actually going to do it. It's just that once you say it, you can't take it back and my need for privacy is so strong. But I'm gonna do it. But I digress.
Anyway, I agree with everything Michael is saying. Except for one point. When he was talking about continuing to talk even though he's "got nothing", I don't resonate with continuing to talk when that happens. For me, I DO occasionally feel as if my mind has gone blank, that's that horrid Ni fragility and I do freeze up. It is as if while I'm in the middle of a conversation, my mind enters the abyss and starts floating out in empty space, looking for something on which to latch and bring me back to some tangible frame of reference. I think this happens when I get too far afield from one of my scaffolds/frameworks which I've explained in other comments on some of your other videos. I usually don't keep talking if this happens. I just stop and sit with it and allow my thoughts to find their way back to something tangible. It doesn't happen too often though thankfully because it's a mortifying feeling!
Joyce, you cut yourself out at 15:36!! No, I wanted to hear what you were going to say!
I HIGHLY recommend the "Enneagram Five" podcast. It's hosted by a 5w4 and his 5w6 friend. I think what makes it so interesting is because they are 5s (the most emotionally withdrawn type) that have come to a point where they are genuinely willing to open up about their raw personal experiences. If you found this Type Talk particularly interesting, then you'll definitely want to check this out.
(FiNe, 4w5, 5w4,1w9, sx/so) Yeah, the soulmate thing doesn't stop it just gets increasingly marginalised by growing understanding of reality. The 5 in me keeps getting stronger and experience tells me I just can't have that fiery love while also having literally anything else I'd want in life... I'd be exhausted and probably intellectually unfulfilled, and possibly resentful or passive-aggressive. Single for over a decade now, and not exactly satisfied about it, but accepting that it's a trade-off. The alternative, that most people take, is compromise, but that's not really an option for sx 4 Fi. I imagine I won't have a soulmate in a permanent, perfect, all-consuming sense... but perhaps I'll just have a lover again one day; someone with who those intense moments can be stolen from the rest of reality.
im an enfp 4 sx/so and i just want to say this- you CAN have a "soul mate" type of love and also do other things in your life. the "soul mate" love will be so comfortable that it will be the one thing that is consistent as you explore all the other areas of your life. dont give up on finding it...that's the self deprecating fi we xnfp's and 4's possess speaking but it doesnt dictate potential and reality.
I think part of the freeze in which you guys speak, has to do, in my INTJ/INFJ case anyway, with trying real hard to explain something to let you know with painstaking detail just what is involved with what I'm speaking about. But the silly thing I find often enough, is that I spend so much time on a prelude, ever trying to build the tension towards the goal, almost as if I'm writing a movie, that I may forget what was actually the first thought that brought up all the detail.
IOW, I may be talking about the ratings system on car tires - that is my first thought. But I leave that basic thought for last, and instead give you a ton of buildup, and since I have to amuse myself as well, even expand upon that, perhaps even taking on an anticipated counter-argument too🤣. Basically, I'm not so much talking, as to exercise my brain, and as the main detail just became way too boring to me, I have to go all sorts of directions, and not too infrequently lose the base thought entirely.
I think that may be what Micael is talking about somewhat, that's where the blank space comes. You've just put so much lovely detail into it, that you lose track of the conclusion. And actually, if you study your thought process on your thinking to yourself, I would bet you would find it's none too uncommon even there, because, in a sense, you will come back to that lost conclusion easily enough during the rest of the day, and the meat of the thing was what you were hammering out. The difficult bit is done, and a short bit later, you will find that conclusion again, only, to have a conversation that way, often doesn't work at all. You can just imagine somebody being almost spellbound, just loving the buildup, and then suddenly the film ends prematurely😆. I think the solution is to TRY to start with the conclusion, then explain it in more detail, in say 2-3 segments. We do just enjoy going so many places with our minds though.
More more more of that
Mirror Neurons:
2 people must first be in report before their mirror neurons fire.
ENFP-4w3 just for polling data
I would like to see an INTJ 5x6 comparison to Michael. Did you ever run across INTJ 5w6 in your personality hacker class?
This would be interesting! I'll cover that one day. Once I personally meet an INTJ 5w6 irl. I haven't run across one at PH yet.
@@JoyceMeng22 Thats interesting. As a INTJ 5w6 I have been wondering if I would fit in that class. I had a hunch all the INTJs in thatPH class (superbowl day) would be INTJ 5w4s. Seems like all INTJ youtube personalities are also w4s.
@@JoyceMeng22 I know one... but he wouldn't come here.
I was mistaken; I’m a 5w6
THE GLASSES
What do the numbers mean and where can I take the test for the numbers?
where do 4w5's usually come in on MBTI scale? i keep coming in as INFJ but i dont think i am INFJ gets a bit confusing just gathering information and trying to make a solid call on my MBTI type, thanks for the video Joyce, Shan and Michael.
Good question! 4w5s are most often Fi doms. I have a typing service by the way if you want an outsider opinion on your type. :) If you are interested, you can email me at joycemeng22@gmail.com!
@@JoyceMeng22 thanks Joyce i was looking at Fi dom if i get stuck thanks for the typing service :) love the videos !
5w4 vs 5w6 ??
I gotta push back a bit Joyce when you were saying that 5 types maybe are just jaded and retreating after having been hurt too much (after listening to the conversation more, I see that you may have been referring more to the ENFP 5s). I don't think the jaded thing is true for me. I've always been this way. I think I've got a healthy relationship to my feelings. I can be very comfortable sharing emotions (negative and positive) and sit with others and support them as well in those moments when it's needed. I just have to transition into that space, out of thinking.
I just think we INTJs just are not in that space very often because we have our feeling function below our thinking function so it's forgotten sometimes until something triggers it, like a loved one needing emotional support or someone crossing our values. The detachment isn't some reaction to past trauma. It's literally just a manifestation of our stack. You can't feel and think at the same time so if you have feeling below thinking, by definition, you are going to be more detached from your feelings relative to your thinking. It's not a negative response to anything. It just is. (I agree with what Michael said about predicting an emotional outcome and avoiding things that will elicit feelings that are not needed/healthy/helpful. And that was interesting Joyce how you pointed out that Te likes to anticipate as well - I had not realized that - yes that totally fits, I guess I just always figured that was my Ni influence but yeah it does feel like Te now that you mention it). Too bad we INTJs can't do that with our Fe and avoiding foot in mouth more often. lol
Is there still a price tag on the bottom of Michael’s coffee cup? 😆
lol nice one Michael
It sometimes look like you guys are about to cry and idk if its in my head or not.
Yeah it does look like that
It seems to me, that for people with Fe-Ti, it is difficult to listen to Te-Fi discussing their emotions, intentions and reasons. Just like it is difficult for Te-Fi listen to Fe-Ti talking about their emotions in relation to social behavior. That is probably reason for Te-Fi "faking" emotional expression (which Shannon talked about), to make Fe-Ti comfortable, and not going through emotional roller-coaster every time Te-Fi is around. INFJ Joyce looked really uncomfortable every time ENFP, INTJ discussed their emotions, which both Te-Fi were fine with, to a point of making jokes.
No... lol
@@jankom.7783 This is very interesting. I recall during my high school recollections when it's my turn to share something and speak, even if I don't really feel like crying, the Fe-Ti atmosphere seems like it avoids the depth that Fi is about to display something very personal which feels awkward to them. It even feels like they are pushing you to cry which to the Fi-Te feels fake.
@@johnniedilangcruz9287 It feels cringy to share my deepest emotions in a Fe dominated environment that's why I don't go to support groups.
i wounder what it is that makes me attracted to ENFPs/ENTPs, there is that energy coming off of them that attracts me alot, i feel like i can talk with them for hours and hourse and get so many ideas as a result.
i think sexual attraction is higher with ENFPs but mental attraction is stronger with ENTPs becuse Ne Ti is so freaking amazing to bounce ideas from. Ne Fi is just sexy and cute
but the ultimate idea bouncer type to debate with is INTPs, my god they are good at debating, but they lack the attraction i find in ENFPs and ENTPs, maybe becuse of the low Fe in INTPs and the blind Se.
You didn't mention your type!!
@@kittyblossom7342 i am an ENTJ 3w4, you?
Enfp 4w3 here is that enneagram rare for enfps
4's in relationships their is a push pull coping mechanism so a 5w4 will have that behavior .
Am I the only Ti-Fe axis type 5?
*Hello darkness my old friend*
Bahahaha :) I had a moment of time where I thought I could be a 5. The INFJ UA-camr Tori H also identifies with being a type 5! Pretty much every TP I know identifies as that too (although they are typically 9s who mistype as 5s)
I have a crush on Michael
Just an observation from an INTJ/5w4:
Two-thirds of the way through listening, perhaps Shannon's 5w4 is in response to her being continually not accepted within a household of Thinkers, thus, she has unknowingly repressed how she expresses and understands her emotions. Perhaps she is truly a 4w5 and, if so, can begin to "individualize" away from the perhaps subtle, but chronic detachment she felt in her upbringing that leads her to type as a 5w4.
I’m a sexual four…so that makes sense. Michael says he can’t distinguish the four wing from the sexual lol
Michael and Shan I think would be a good couple
Shan ENFP 4w3
I don't get core 4 vibe from her.
The title says "5w4 INTJ vs 5w4 ENFP," but which one won?
VS does make the video sound like a showdown. Perhaps i'll make those types of videos one day. :) VS in this case means it's a comparison video haha
@@JoyceMeng22 PS I'm totally 100% jk'ing
That behind said, at a time when guys like Ben Shapiro are all over UA-cam, I do like the idea of "Fi-dom DESTROYS INTJ with FEELINGS and VALUES!"
@@JoyceMeng22 Maybe you should do ENTP vs ENTP showdown, you give them something to debate on and let them fight: that would be so entertaining
Is infj 5w4 possible?
@Ni Vortex heard the name but no
@Ni Vortex football player by the looks of it
@Ni Vortex nice im already subbed apparently
11:01 Grrrrr! Un-conscious, Michael.
What's your zodiac signs?
If you need some data.
I'm INTJ 5w4 with Rising, Sun, Merc, Venus, and Jupiter in Aqua, Moon in Libra, Saturn and Uranus in Sag, and Pluto, Mars and S.N in Scopio (Taurus N.N). I struggle with Earth energy, because I only have planets in Taurus, and it also explains my inferior Se.
I guess my 5 comes from Aqua and Libra, and my INTJ and 4 wing comes from Scorpio.
PS: I would really like to study this topic further. You know, analysing the astroligical, numerological, MBTI, and enneagram connections. Not enough data though, only anecdotal info for now :'(
I'm INTJ 5w6
Sun= Aqua
Rising= Scorpio (They dress kind of edgy)
Moon= Saggitarius
Mercury, Venus, Jupiter= Pisces
Mars= Capricorn
ENFP here!!! Sun, Venus, Neptune, Uranus, Mercury in Aquarius (yes i do feel like an oddball). Rising in Libra. Mars in Libra. Moon in Aries.
Don’t believe in them but i am a INTJ 5w4 541 so/sp. My zodiac sign is sun-aries moon-sagittarius mercury-pisces, I think. Honestly I don’t see the correlation
Maybe 5 is not how Shannon was born. maybe she can heal her trauma.
As an INTJ, I get triggered by people that waste my time and aren't competent. Superficial thinkers sap my energy, so I avoid them like the plague.
A lot of false assumptions to observe..we can't mingle NTs with NF's no 8 in the Egram is or ENFP/ J 🤣😁😂🤩
Didn’t know ENFP’s could be 5w4
I know an INTJ 4w5. Every type can be every ennea, just some are much more likely than others.
@@marcvesper I disagree, I believe shannon is typed wrong.
@@lmlitz72 what tipe do you think she has?
@@lmlitz72 I'm pretty sure she is ENxP. But maybe she is ENTP or ENFP with a different enneagram.
@@marcvesper 4 is most related with high Fi and INTJs have valued tert Fi so 4w5 can be possible but less common. But 5 is most related with Ti and ENFPs have Ti as the lowest shadow function so it's nearly impossible for an ENFP to be core 5.
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ENFP 5s are near non-existent. Like 1% of ENFPs are 5s. Somewhat questionable if Shan is a 5 or ENFP. Maybe she’s closer to ENTP which is much more probable. IxTx are common 5s
Yes, I suspect her type, too. Type 5s are most commonly high Ti users but high Ni can be 5, too. Ti is the lowest function of ENFPs so 5 is extremely unlikely.
This is not true. Every type can have every ennegram.
I am enfp 5w4 too. I checked many times I'm certain that I am using Ni over Ti and every ennegram test I had tells me that I am 5w4 i also checked it myself it is the ennegram type which suits me the best.
@@reyessl2811 ENFPs don't use Ni...?
I am ENFP 5w4 and you can have any ennegram with any MBTI type. Core fears and desires aren't reliant on how you take in and process information. It actually makes perfect sense for a type that explores possibilities and has a deep internal world to fear being incompetent and to feel the need to withdraw. Fi users can easily feel disconnected from the world, which can manifest into a type 4, 5 , (or 9 even), and that main Ne that craves new ideas and connections can easily want to be knowledgeable about things and feel secure in learning and feeling safe when in your own space.
Adding on top of that that many ENFPs have symptoms of ADHD or straight up have ADHD/ADD which can manifest in withdrawing from people often and focusing on researching and learning about different topics for long periods of time, as well as anxiety surrounding being competent, it's not hard to see an ENFP that is type 5 or highly resonates with type 5.