Converting a Peg Perego Gator XUV From 12 Volts to 24 Volts | Yeah! It's Faster
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- Hi. In this video I will show you how easy it is to convert your kid's John Deer Gator XUV from a 12 volt to a 24 volt. This process will take about an hour and you'll only need a few cheap parts. One of the motors went out and I thought this was a great opportunity to do the conversion. We'll be adding an additional battery for the 24 volt conversion. This will also give us more battery life. My son was pretty impressed at how much faster his gator was. Also, I discussed but didn't show how to do the easy charger conversion. All I do is add a 5.5mm power jack to the dash of the gator and bought a 5.5mm power supply for the wall. This makes it very easy for my children to plug in and unplug the charger. Peg Perego makes it extremely hard for a child to charge this thing on their own. Hope this helps someone.
Update. I had to order a 29v charger as the 24v charger wouldn't charge the 2x 12v batteries.
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This is easily the best walkthrough I've seen. I have 24v Peg Perego and a 12v that needs pumped up to match. There hasn't been a hill yet that can beat 24v.
Thanks! Hope you get em done. I just got a deal on a bunch of Power wheels and I'll be upgrading a few of em.
Thanks for the video. I'd like to comment regarding the upgrade: On a simplified model, speed on DC motors is directly proportional to voltage applied and torque is proportional to the current, which increases with load. Now, a sure upgrade to speed woud be using the original 12v motors and applying 24v. In theory it would increase speed to 2X, minus some looses. In your case, upgrading to 24V motors and using 24V means the only increase in speed would by using a nominally faster motors; in other words, you didn't increase speed by using 24V motors, in fact you can even get a lower speed, because that is dependent on the nominal speed of the motors. Let me give and example:
You may have a 100rpm motor that works at 12V. When you conect it to 12V it will give you 100rpm, but it will give you 200rpm when conected to 24v. On the other hand, you may have a 24v motor that runs at 100rpm at 24V. If thats the case, you gain no speed with the swap, although you gain torque (double of pulling strenght). But you could also get a 24v motor that runs at 150rpm or at 50rpm, so when using motors at their nominal voltage the speed you get is their nominal speed by design. Once you pass the nominal voltage, your increase in speed is related to your increase in voltage (of course there is a limit, you could burn a motor).
As I said, the sure way to gain speed is using dc motors at an increased voltage. I'd have used 12v motors with 24v to gain speed. Regarding battery charge, again, doesn't necesarily mean you get double the time or increased running time with two batteries, because your 24v motors consume more current, so, if your new 24V motors have the same nominal speed as the old 12V (which is very probable as manufacturers limit the speed of childrens cars) you gained zero speed and zero running time, but twice the torque, which in fact means the gator can easily climb and ride on grass.
Thanks for the info. I tried using the older 12v motors with a 24v system on another project and burned those motors out in about a minute.
Great video and very good video production. I appreciate the help.
Glad it was helpful!
Love your shop. Nice and clean! Great tutorial.
Glad you like it! My shop isn't so clean right now.
Where is the material list with part numbers?
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great video, Thanks for putting it together! With that new charging port, will rain water damage this if kids leave it outside?
It has a plug. But if you're worried, just install it under the dash.
How to adjust the seat on a peg perio John Deere xuv
I can't remember, but I think it's on the bottom.
Lost you a bit on the wiring...
At the front for positive you used the red from 5mm, positive from the car and red from the traveler wire. Is that right?
On the negative side of the front, you used negative from 5mm, negative from car, and a jumper wire. The negative traveler is not in here.
From there, you connected the negative jumper to negative and the black traveler(negative on rear battery) to positive on front battery and the red traveler to the positive on back battery.
Does this all sound right? Thanks in advance!
It's hard to follow your question. The way I did it in the video is the way it still is today. So it definitely worked. If you're doing this it's pretty easy. You'll need to get the 24v motors. Then you'll want to get 2 12v batteries (or a 24v battery to make it easier). Put the 2 batteries in series to jump the voltage up to 24v. You're going to connect a positive from one battery to the negative from the other battery. The other 2 remaining posts will be what is hooked up to the pedal switch. So it doesn't really matter how the wires are connected as long as it's hooked up right. Lastly the 5.5mm charging jack can be hooked up anywhere in the system. I would recommend connecting directly to both batteries, Negative on one battery, Positive on the other. I hope this helps. One more note if you can't follow, just make a bunch of jumper cables with alligator clips and hook it up outside the gator until you figure it out. If you can't figure it out my email is on my "About" page.
I get his question because at 15:16 you show the alligator clips connected pos to neg & pos to neg. however, not one of the batteries are connected jumping polarity - they all go pos to pos & neg to neg. you color code well, so it was evident by looking at I think you are only getting double the battery life, not actually 24v power. I could be wrong but the only thing i saw is that you reversed the wiring on the motors, but that would just make them run in reverse, so at 18:28 the front battery is red to red to red (all pos) same with black. For the back battery at 23:05 it’s connected red/pos to red/pos and blk/neg to blk/neg. if it works, great, but I would double check your voltage to make sure you are actually getting 24v and not just running 2 x 12v which would only double the usage. badass video tho! i appreciate your setup and taking the time to make your kids toys rock!! i just picked up 3 free hot wheels and am tricking them out myself.
What are the thermal thing's called
Thermal things? Post a time stamp. Everything used in the video is in the description.
Back wheels are put on backwards
Cool. Been working backwards for 2 years. Crazy.
Can you mix and match a Pergo and interstate battery you are using?
You can use any batteries. Lithium Ion, Lead Acid, etc.. As long as they're the same size. Meaning you don't want to mix a 12v with a 6v. And you don't want to mix a 100ah battery with a 10ah battery.
Can you explain/show how you added the power supply jack?
Yeah it's pretty simple. I just drilled a hole in a convenient location put the jack there and then added some wire directly to the battery. Works great. But keep in mind that the vehicle can still drive while it's plugged in.
@@NicholsCounty thank you! so you just wire it directly to the battery terminals?
@@etjacobs2 yes, you can put a fuse in there if you like. I didn't.
Awesome video! How did you connect the wires from the battery to charging jack? I tried modifying my connectors to make them work, but it’s not charging my batteries. Thanks!
Can you post an updated link to the 5.5mm jack on Amazon please.
I updated the link. These were hard to find.
Hey @Nichols County are those motors still working okay? I ask because I don't mind spending more money to get good motors that will last... And also, thanks for the great video! Super helpful...
Yeah they're still working. Haven't had any issues yet.
Appreciate the video! My daughter lost a motor the very next week my sons jd tractor lost a motor! Have you seen the conversions with the dewalt battries or Milwaukee??
Yeah I kind of want to do one with some Dewalt batteries. Just have to find the time for that project.
Why not use a connector for a Ryobi battery?
I don't have ryobi batteries. I have these ones. In the video.
Just did the upgrade but my batteries are only showing 12v but its running with the new motors, thoughts? Is this normal. I have the 29v charger so that’s my main concern
No. If worked correctly, batteries should resd like 25-26v
Not sure if you mentioned it in the video and I missed it, but I’ve seen kits that include an inline fuse between the batteries. Do you see a need for that?
I didn't mention it. I put one on another Big Wheels, but I didn't on this one, I didn't have any issues.
@@NicholsCounty in regards to the charger jack, it only comes with very short 18 awg wires. Is it okay to connect 12 awg wires to the 18 in order to make them long enough to connect to the battery?
@@chunkybones668 Yeah, you can go up in wire size, just not down. Up meaning a larger thickness.
@@NicholsCounty okay great! Thanks for the advice. Your video was very helpful!
I just did this whole conversion, i replaced the gearboxes and am have the new ones stripped out two weeks after having new ones installed. Is anyone else tearing through gear boxes??
I ripped through one and then I bought some aftermarket ones that held up. I'll try to find a link.
@@NicholsCounty Were you able to find a link for the aftermarket gearboxes?
@@NicholsCountyalso interested in your findings
Mine secondhand but still working.. An dn I try again it's notwork chck the battery ok.. Ded n
Check the motors and the wires.
so will this charger eventually kill the batteries at such a high voltage?
Full voltage is 28.7 volts on a 24 volt system.
Hi there, haven’t watched the whole video yet. However, do you think it’ll be the same principles for the 12V peg perego GP ducati? I know they did a limited edition 24V. Wondered if it’s more than just the battery?
It's more than the battery. If you're changing from 12v to 24v. You need to change the motors.
Do you know how to get it into high gear?
The book says see number 35 & 36.
35 says tighten arm rest
36 says fasten seat bolts
I'm not sure what you're talking about. This gator has 3 gears. Reverse, 1 & 2. There is a shifter in the middle, you shift to those gears with it.
@@NicholsCounty ok,in the book it says it's shipped with low only, (1 forward)
And 1 reverse, If you want to use 2nd gear a parent has to set it up to work in high,
It says to see #35 #36 in the book to unlock high gear
2021 xuV john deere
@@snowace9424 Oh I see. Yeah it has a little red 2nd gear lockout on the shifter. Just use a screwdriver and remove that. Then it will be able to be shifted to 2nd gear. They come like this for younger children.
@@NicholsCounty thanks boss, the manual doesn't say that anywhere,
(Not that I see)
Can I ask what connectors you used for your 5.5mm plug.. my terminals are tiny and I'm using 12 gauge wire to be on the safer side and everything I think will fit is all rated for 18 to 24 gauge wire.
I just threaded the thicker gauge wires through those tiny terminals and it worked out. I didn't even solder the connection. Haven't had any issues with it at all.
The charger posted is for lithium batteries. I overlooked it and tried it out and it did not work. Did you find a charger that works for this setup? Thanks for your video!
Yes the charger in the description works for this exact set up. I'm not sure why it didn't work for you but it works great for me. Be sure to have the correct 5.5mm jack. If you use a 12v 5.5mm jack, this charger will not work, but if you use a 24v-30v 5.5mm jack, then it works fine. I ran into this issue when I was first doing this project. After converting to 24v I had a hard time finding a charger that would work, there are plenty of 12v dc chargers, but the 24v chargers I tried didn't work so well. I had to use a 29v charger to get the batteries to actually charge. The 24v chargers I tried just drained my batteries. I put a meter on it and watched it happen. I went through like 6 chargers to find this one, so yeah the charger in the description is what you need or something similar that charges >24v. Hope this helps.
@@NicholsCounty thanks. I will check the 5.5mm jack. I checked the jack with the charger plugged and it was reading 29v. The one i got is rate for 30v and 2A. I did have to solder the wire on because the connection were small. I wonder if the heat impacted it. After I hooked the charger up I heard it pop.
@@bradgrey3476 Yeah unfortunately they're very small. I just wired it up the best I could and taped it really well. I just tested mine out yesterday, as it was put up for winter. It charged like it should. Took a few hours but works. More than likely that pop destroyed it. Try testing it out on it's own, just wire up the jack directly to two 12v batteries in series or a 24v battery and see if it chargers. It sounds like you know how to read meter. Hope it works out for you.
Did this upgrade but unfortunately quickly burnt through the gearboxes. Any experience or solution with this? Figured on ordering new gearboxes and lubricating with race grease.
I burnt through one gearbox about 6 months after install. It was just a plastic piece that kind of rubbed apart. Just found and ordered a new one. Couldn't really find any beefed up ones. If you do let me know.
@@NicholsCounty Yes its the 1st gear pin, i have burned through 2 already. Where the pin that holds the 1st gear into the casing seems to overheat and melt. Ordered some race grease from mltoys but still overheated/melted at the same location. Was going to also look into some of the red high temp silicone grease and try that.
@@steved9917Hey, did you ever find a solution?
This was extremely helpful for what I am trying to do with my children's peg perego XUV. (IGOD0063) I am using Milwaukee li-ion 18v (20v nominal) batteries. I have two 9ah batteries that I swap out when one dies so one is charging all of the time when they are using it. It seems to last quite a while.
In any case, after about 3 weeks, Im pretty sure it blew out one or both of the 12v motors. So now I just need to upgrade the motors to 24v. The symptom is the ride on only goes about 3 feet then it needs to be stopped for a few minutes then will go a few more feed. I checked the battery voltages and they are good. So I plan to take apart the vehicle tomorrow and trouble shoot the motors.
I wonder if you recommend upgrading the gears too?
Thanks for the vid! Some great ideas in it!
And one more comment - the children love the extra voltage/speed! LOL!
I thought about doing this with my dewalt batteries since I have so many. But never got around to doing it. Figure you might look for some 18 or 20 volt gears. When I was first messing around with the batteries in series on 12volt motors, mine did the same thing, went really fast for a few seconds then stopped. I think the motors got too hot. I've never looked into upgrading the gears. Let me know how that goes if you decide to do it. My son loves the speed.
@@NicholsCounty So I tried the 24v motors you recommended. They were really slow when I am using the 20v nominal power tool batteries. So I put back in the stock new 12v motors I also bought and it was super fast. Like outrageously fast. LOL! But it seems like after about 20 minutes I might have already blew out one of the 12v motors. I need to trouble shoot it a little more. So now Im thinking of adding a speed controller to just trim the voltage down a little to maybe 14-15v or so with stock 12v motors. So it would still be fast but not over tax the 12v motors. Another option is to upgrade as you did to 24v SLA batteries. The SLA batteries are not as energy dense as the li-ion batteries. Not to mention with the li-ion batteries I can hot swap one while charging another and could even buy a third battery to swap... and even another charger. So this is kinda a bummer that the 24v motors are so slow! I didnt realize that was a side effect of going to 24v!
24v upgrade here with speed controller and variable speed throttle. 12v stock motors and gears. Motors are fast. Gears are stripped.
Have not found good solution. Anybody got any advice? Modify body to power wheels aftermarket motors and gearboxes?
@@CoachSimoneaux10 I upgrade my gator to 24v, got 24v motors, but I am burning through gearboxes. Have you found a solution?
@@cb2484 I have not. It’s just sitting up. Let me know if you come across anything
That what hate, all that sloppy wiring jobs,
Cool.
Please add a wireless mic
Yeah mic got turned around. Thanks.
One more comment to help your metrics... no fuse?
I thought about it but decided against it. I'll let you know if there are any issues.
Still not an isssue? Did you remove the stock fuse/circuit breaker?
No not what I was looking for 😢😢
Okay.
Can you come do mine please?
Ha. That's why I made the video. So you can do yours. Good luck.