First Time Hearing Bad Religion - “Sorrow” Reaction | Asia and BJ

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  • @suemiller2522
    @suemiller2522 Рік тому +77

    Hey, y'all - thanks for reacting to this. My favorite band and, no, definitely not Christian rock lol. Very critical of all religions and governments. Bad Religion is one of the punk bands that almost all modern punk bands stand on the shoulders of. They dropped their first album in 1982 and have been kicking ass ever since. Fat Mike of NOFX even wrote a song called "I'm a Huge Fan of Bad Religion" where he says, "I bought 'Suffer' then I bought a thesaurus" lol - 'Suffer' being the 1988 Bad Religion album that is widely credited as changing the game and saving American punk with their bangin' tunes and fantastic harmonies. And their lyrics are some of the most intellectual you'll find in any genre; one of the two songwriters is a university professor :) ❤

    • @ALLROY-qc4ti
      @ALLROY-qc4ti Рік тому +3

      This.🙌

    • @wantutosigh1117
      @wantutosigh1117 Рік тому +1

      Great OP. 💯%

    • @DarthPoyner
      @DarthPoyner Рік тому +1

      Yeah, people singing about the evils of government and religion while always benefiting from government and religion.
      Nearly all the members of the band went to University. So they put themselves into the system so they can make money. Then coming out with communist leanings and now going so far left that they have gone insane.
      They have a few good songs, but mostly they are a trash band.

    • @suemiller2522
      @suemiller2522 Рік тому

      @@DarthPoyner You know what makes a ton of sense? Watching the video for a band you claim not to like and then complaining like a jackass in the comment section. Bravo.

    • @ericyoungstrom5745
      @ericyoungstrom5745 Рік тому +1

      YUP!

  • @wallypalmer6404
    @wallypalmer6404 Рік тому +26

    My very first real concert, 1991, and Bad Religion was the headliner. Almost died in the mosh pit and loved every minute of it.

  • @25shinedown
    @25shinedown Рік тому +11

    one of the best punk bands of all time, bad religion is a 90s staple for me as a kid in the 90s, absolutely nostalgic and always a great listen!

  • @NinjaLill
    @NinjaLill Рік тому +13

    Greg Graffin who is the singer is a professor working at Cornell University in the departement of evelutionay biology with a PhD in zoology. So he is awesome.

  • @jessewilliams7158
    @jessewilliams7158 11 місяців тому +9

    Bad religion is against organized religion, they have no problem with personal beliefs.

  • @wantutosigh1117
    @wantutosigh1117 Рік тому +14

    Great reaction. Bad Religion is basically the opposite of a Christian band. Haha But they are phenomenal and write amazing lyrics that can be interpreted in many ways.

  • @joakimlofberg8345
    @joakimlofberg8345 Рік тому +15

    This is about taking responsibility for ourselves and our actions. Not relying on some fictitious figure to which we can make excuses for our stupidity and cruelty. It ultimateley stating that when we do this there will be (needless) sorrow no more.

    • @PoopscoopMcgoop204
      @PoopscoopMcgoop204 Рік тому +6

      We are the only true messiah. Ourselves

    • @adrie8779
      @adrie8779 Рік тому +1

      Can you explain if through regret we are forgiven?

  • @keyratcane66
    @keyratcane66 Рік тому +5

    When asked in 2010 what the line "Or when the only true messiah rescues us from ourselves / It's easy to imagine" meant, Greg Graffin replied that it means that we are our own messiah and that the meaning of life comes from ourselves.

  • @jmarasco510
    @jmarasco510 Рік тому +14

    Absolute best punk rock band of all time.

    • @bruc3967
      @bruc3967 8 місяців тому

      Absolutamente

  • @xicotencatlaguayo1595
    @xicotencatlaguayo1595 Рік тому +2

    Bad Religion is my favorite band of all time. from the first day I heard it, it was in 1984 I was 8 years old, and the record was, How Could Hell Be Any Worse? and since then I have punk rock in my veins.

  • @TheNeonParadox
    @TheNeonParadox Рік тому +60

    To answer your question, no, Bad Religion isn't Christian rock. Lol. They're about the exact opposite. I would've started with "American Jesus" to get a feel for the band. It's a solid takedown of the American Evangelical Right without bashing religion itself.

    • @henrikduende
      @henrikduende Рік тому

      Hell no😂 Jay the bassist is an ex alcoholic, so is Brian Baker, ex guitarist Greg Hetson. Mr Brett was into cocain, crack and shit,
      Brain did for Minor Threat when he was Young sand that was straight edge.

    • @idkhahahaha
      @idkhahahaha Рік тому +2

      And yet funnily enough, this song either intentionally or unintentionally summarises the Christian worldview.

    • @jonotwist
      @jonotwist Рік тому +1

      @@sthubbins4038 I mean... You don't NEED to be high off your nuts to be punk. But I feel ya lol.

    • @toddosterhout9866
      @toddosterhout9866 Рік тому

      I’ll definitely say this he portrays that he could be talking to God or his earthly father. He definitely leaves it up to interpretation.

    • @punkambassador848
      @punkambassador848 Рік тому +1

      Actually it‘s fair to assume that they‘re a Christian rock band if you take the lyrics for what they are.

  • @charliemoss6379
    @charliemoss6379 Рік тому +4

    This is one of the most uplifting and positive songs ever

  • @Ryattt81
    @Ryattt81 Рік тому +1

    One of my favorite tracks from one of my all time favorite bands. I love their milusic and everything they stand for.

  • @RareHarmony
    @RareHarmony Рік тому +1

    Bad Religion have been making songs since the 80s! This is just one of many great songs in their repertoire. Very good at harmonizing their vocals.

  • @castlefreak8122
    @castlefreak8122 Рік тому +3

    Bad Religion’s two main lyricists, Greg Graffin and Brett Gurewitz, are incredibly philosophical. They typically write lyrics that question many corrupt institutions (not just Christianity or Catholicism), and a lot of times they look to take down systems and debunk myths. They’re not anti-Christian, as some have stated, by nature, but they certainly are not Christian rock. They’re among the best in business at melodic political punk, and have been doing it since 1980. Coincidentally, I’ll be meeting Greg Graffin tomorrow at an event. Check out more of their stuff, they’re amazing and have a massive back catalogue.
    Also, the “prideful father and his son” could mean the sins of the father in some greater sense, but he’s literally speaking about George Bush senior being unable to get Saddam, and his son trying to make right and finish the job, bringing the US into a war based on lies and personal agenda.

  • @johnnysmink3661
    @johnnysmink3661 3 місяці тому

    One of my favorite songs by one of my favorite bands. For y'alls first time hearing it, I think you got the gist more than most do. I dig your insight and will be watching more of your videos. Thanks for making them!

  • @okscribbles9556
    @okscribbles9556 Рік тому +5

    Bad Religion is not a Christian band. They stand against organized religion or any idol worship (which is what Christianity has become). Being held accountable to yourself and upholding a moral code

  • @ericsmith6615
    @ericsmith6615 Рік тому +1

    Wife here...This song (Though upbeat)..makes me really feel sad..As the Iraqui war was of my generation.., Unfortunately.., We did lose a few from my graduating class..Sooo Sorrowful..May we honor them and all others who have served..

  • @jasonremy1627
    @jasonremy1627 Рік тому +1

    If you want some more Bad Religion, check out "We're Only Gonna Die For Our Own Arrogance". It starts kicking your ass on the first beat, and DOES. NOT. LET. UP. This band were the originators of the West Coast punk scene that later gave us Offspring and Green Day.

    • @ALLROY-qc4ti
      @ALLROY-qc4ti Рік тому +1

      Couldn't agree more. And I'm pretty sure GD was opening for BR on their tour and got huge midway through when Dookie took off.

  • @metalmark1214
    @metalmark1214 Рік тому +2

    They chose a good name, since their are so many in the world.

  • @danielman4057
    @danielman4057 Рік тому +3

    Laughing so hard at Christian Rock.... Face palms but great introduction... Hope to hear more bad religion

  • @borndead187
    @borndead187 7 місяців тому

    Hands down, one of the best lyricists in punk rock ... I would love to see you two to react to "American jesus." I love the content. Keep it up.

  • @abbadonslostarms-kbd1393
    @abbadonslostarms-kbd1393 Рік тому

    Love this band,hard to belive they have been going over 40 years.
    Some of their songs are lyrically fantastic

  • @davidsalazar965
    @davidsalazar965 Рік тому +3

    Go back to the "suffer" album. You can't miss on that one! Have fun.

  • @cbandtheradio5610
    @cbandtheradio5610 Рік тому +1

    The song is about giving up religion, because if we were just good human beings there wouldn't be sorrow anymore.

  • @calypsogrove
    @calypsogrove Рік тому

    I've been listening to Bad Religion for a very long time. What I have taken from them is that they are against religion and politics, how they have controlled the people for so long. When we all work together without the interference of both religion and politics we can overcome. It's a reoccurring theme in the majority of their songs, also I want to add that this is one of the best bands I've ever seen perform live. Their studio recordings definitely reflect in their live shows, they are that talented. That is a very hard thing to find when you see a band live after you've been listening to them on recorded versions for so long and they nailed it every time I've seen them.
    They are worth more of an introspective look and I am very happy that you guys reviewed this and were introduced to this band. Their name has nothing to do with Christianity as far as being a Christian band.

  • @Steveaux88
    @Steveaux88 Рік тому +1

    There would be no more sorrow if there were no kings or queens or no religion. Without these there would be no more sorrow!

  • @erykvonritzmann4741
    @erykvonritzmann4741 Рік тому

    Oh yall did my favorite band!

  • @dylanchapman5987
    @dylanchapman5987 Місяць тому

    My opinion is the song is about giving up on the old beliefs that have kept us separated as well as down

  • @Jjjj-l5x
    @Jjjj-l5x 3 місяці тому

    Interesting fact, the crashing sound you hear when they sing “sorrow” during the chorus is the sound of the planes crashing into the towers on 9/11
    Watch the music video and read the lyrics, this song is a message to the world, and when they perform this song live it moves the crowd to tears… At least it does to me, and I’ve seen these guys at least 50 times in concert

  • @zachary9009
    @zachary9009 Рік тому +1

    Some of the best people you could ever meet don't believe in a God. I think it's because they put all of their stock in this life. They don't live for the afterlife. They don't use their "faith" as an excuse to be wicked. Thanks for the video.

  • @markb1114
    @markb1114 Рік тому +4

    Great reaction. Not familiar with them but it was a good song.

  • @brandonctibor558
    @brandonctibor558 5 місяців тому

    It's important to have sorrow before you deserve forgiveness

  • @LongGone77
    @LongGone77 Рік тому

    Love that you're reacting to BR.
    Bad Religion are a punk rock band formed in 1980 when they were in their late teens. This song came out in 2002 so they were well into their mid/late 30s. Their lyrics are really critical of religion, so definitely not christian rock. that said, i disagree with a lot of people who say that they're anti-christian. I think they're just critical of authority in general. Pretty sure the bassist is Christian. They're all over the map in terms of belief/disbelief. The intro of "father can you hear me", i view those lines more or less from the point of view of someone else. Like an authority figure that's leading people to war, etc. Great band.
    Cool discussion between the two of you. definitely made me subscribe.

    • @MrSquare
      @MrSquare Рік тому +1

      yeah, they're just anti-authoritarian and anti-religion in general. they've said repeatedly that the name Bad Religion and the 'crossbuster' logo were primarily cause it got them a ton of punk rock edgy attention when they started out doing gigs, and that's pretty much the primary reason they have that name

  • @KT-zc8jx
    @KT-zc8jx Рік тому

    I see it simply as the strained relationship with his father. There is for sure a deeper meaning in this song. chose to see the simplicity in the lyrics and not hunt for the deeper meaning. Great band!!! I do enjoy your reactions and love the diversity in the music you review!! As an old fart I love that younger fuckers can listen to my generations music and dig it, even if your understanding of the meanings are off, but to each their own and take what you get out of it 😊

  • @domagojbatinic1526
    @domagojbatinic1526 Рік тому

    check out their songs "You" & "21st Century (Digital Boy)"

  • @larrymartinez667
    @larrymartinez667 Рік тому

    Thank you for doing Bad religion. Suffer and American Jesus are great songs

  • @staceypalmer4753
    @staceypalmer4753 Рік тому +1

    Check out "Come Join Us" by Bad Religion!

    • @raineramelung7380
      @raineramelung7380 Рік тому

      Hi.. Try,, die toten Hosen-mehr davon, live, Hals und Beinbruch"(this Band is international succesful..., Bad Religion was Support ing them on one Tour.. *See what the singer is doing at this gigg☠️)... Or enjoy other german stuff.. :"Slime-lieben müssen (must love)...

  • @stephencothran3702
    @stephencothran3702 4 місяці тому

    Dr. Greg Gaffin (Singer) is an evolutionary biologist, and an athiest saying "I've never believed in God, which technically makes me an atheist". He also states that, more often than not, the band prefers to use religion as a metaphor for anything that does not allow for an individual's freedom to think or express themselves as they choose.

  • @browntabproductions
    @browntabproductions Рік тому +3

    Not Christian Rock😅 At all.
    Punk Rock, disguised as Intellectual Rock
    The Band and Members have a loooong History in the LA Punk Rock scene.

  • @LuisSantos-fl1rl
    @LuisSantos-fl1rl Рік тому

    Nothing compares to Bad Religion, i never heard anything like that in my entire life.

  • @pantsedjuniorhayseed4816
    @pantsedjuniorhayseed4816 Рік тому

    i walked to high school with this song every morning for months

  • @emmanueljames794
    @emmanueljames794 7 місяців тому

    That guitar sol hits different!!

  • @NinjaLill
    @NinjaLill Рік тому

    Greg is awesome and I would say that alll should read his book ”Anarchy Evolution. Faith, Science and Bad Religion in a World Without God”

    • @NinjaLill
      @NinjaLill Рік тому

      How he did his thesis, and his PhD in the Amazons while being a punk god. A man of intelligence that is awesome.

    • @NinjaLill
      @NinjaLill Рік тому

      ua-cam.com/video/7j3igRFVpcA/v-deo.html

  • @cr3t1n
    @cr3t1n 4 місяці тому

    Yall are missing the sarcasm of the lyrics. When all soldiers lay their weapons down, when kings and queens relinquish their crown. These are things that will never happen. So there will be Sorrow no more, meaning, there will always be Sorrow.

  • @bipolarewok
    @bipolarewok 2 місяці тому

    “Is this Christian rock?”
    “I don’t know, I mean, it’s called bad religion “

  • @aWhimTested
    @aWhimTested 10 місяців тому

    Yeah, they are not a religious band at all, but ironically have choir-like backing vocals all over their albums. Their lyrics are mostly about social issues/responsibility

  • @EvanBlack72
    @EvanBlack72 Рік тому

    If you haven't already, listen to Bad Religion - American Jesus and it should remove all doubt of where they stay on organized nationalistic religion. They're roots are firmly in punk soil, and we all had very particular feelings about authority, be it religion or government.

  • @Patrick-w8k
    @Patrick-w8k Рік тому

    It's about the book of Job from the Bible actually. They've stated that that is what it's about

  • @brandonctibor558
    @brandonctibor558 5 місяців тому

    He's saying no more sorrow

  • @tparmenter
    @tparmenter Рік тому +1

    They are definitely not Christian Rock. It’s about relationships between a father and son. It’s also about The Iraqi war and the pride that led us there.

  • @dynofx1132
    @dynofx1132 Рік тому

    Bad Religion teaches you how to be a good human being without the need for religion.

    • @dynofx1132
      @dynofx1132 Рік тому

      Let them eat war and/or American Jesus will add more context to their feelings on war.

    • @ClownWorldSwitzerland
      @ClownWorldSwitzerland Рік тому

      they have no issue with the US Proxy war in Ukraine sadly

  • @benchase5797
    @benchase5797 Рік тому

    Welcome to the land of real Punk.

  • @MathewLantz-w8j
    @MathewLantz-w8j Рік тому

    Greatest band of all time. Get deep react to more . These fuckers will make you think

  • @charlesking880
    @charlesking880 2 місяці тому

    Lmao... best Christian rock band ever!

  • @Rfdwwe
    @Rfdwwe Рік тому

    Not a religious band but this song is about religion. The book of Job. The first verse is God and the devil making a bet.

  • @josephdevito868
    @josephdevito868 9 місяців тому

    great f’n song, dont agree with your takes on it but think its cool u dug into it

  • @silvarj5758
    @silvarj5758 Рік тому

    I'm a Christian, would it be wrong for me to listen to this kind of music? I liked the lyrics but I see many comments saying that the band is not Christian.

  • @ALLROY-qc4ti
    @ALLROY-qc4ti Рік тому

    I interpret it as what needs to happen for there to be No more sorrow in this world. Check out "Hear it" and "Cease" by these guys sometime! Also these guys are atheists!

  • @chrisburns8562
    @chrisburns8562 11 місяців тому

    This song is about Job, and getting caught between God and Satan

  • @_Goyle
    @_Goyle Рік тому

    That song is off Process of Belief. Why’s it showing the album art for New Maps of Hell 😅

  • @violabeaumont3758
    @violabeaumont3758 Рік тому

    Quite the opposite of Christian Rock. Its essentially saying that when we discard fables and religions as excuses and start handling things ourselves and taking our own responsibility that is when we will find betterment in our society.

  • @sammydabull318
    @sammydabull318 Рік тому

    hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha. quite the opposite my friends.

  • @markcastellanet9672
    @markcastellanet9672 9 місяців тому

    Definitely not a Christian rock band. This song is about tearing down dominant structures and oppression is the only way to overcome sorrow.
    Also, a guy I went to high school was the drummer for this song and band for quite a while.

  • @NASTYVEGASNATE
    @NASTYVEGASNATE Рік тому

    Listen to nofx the decline!!!

  • @KevinPhilpott-k3m
    @KevinPhilpott-k3m 4 місяці тому

    Let the religion go.

  • @pticynoleg
    @pticynoleg Рік тому

    Виктор Цой, Виктор Цой, Виктор Цой

  • @BEASTMILITIA1
    @BEASTMILITIA1 Рік тому

    ABSOLUTELY NOT CHRISTIAN!!!! My favorite band by far. Im covered in tattoos and the only recognizable logo i have is the bad religion logo

  • @blytheguy7510
    @blytheguy7510 Рік тому

    As great as this song is, I almost prefer their acoustic version of this song. It really changes the tone. It's the same great song, just a different flavor. These guys are are top of their class. They're anti religion, government, and establishment, the very essence of punk. But these guys are more intellectual about it. It's what sets them apart.

  • @jefflambert8825
    @jefflambert8825 10 місяців тому

    He’s right, though it is a song based on the book of Job. So in essence, it’s biblical, but they are certainly very knowledgeable atheists and the song is probably a bit tongue and cheek, also pointing out a little bit of a hypocrisy in the writing.

  • @stevenhaas9622
    @stevenhaas9622 Рік тому

    She gets much closer to the point. Definitely NOT a christian band or song. This song was written in the aftermath of 9-11 when a handful of lunatics murdered thousands for their religious crusade. The beginning of the song is about man trying (unsuccessfully) to talk to god (which doesn't exist) lamenting about why all of the suffering and sorrow exists and in a sense apologizing for humanity's own existence, the source of sorrow. This is definitely a very old testament view of god and man. i.e., God allegedly made man in god's own image, but man is flawed (like old testament god is flawed). Just like god man is irrational, vengeful, power hungry, violent and destructive (the source of all the sorrow). That's because man created god in his own image rather than the reverse.The second part of the song then further deconstructs why sorrow will always exist while also holding out the slimmest of hope (ultimately futile) of overcoming it. You see while religion and other forms of power (kings and queens) that human exercise over each other promises redemption (a messiah) in the end it never delivers us from ourselves, the source of all of our sorrow. The point is that sorrow will forever be with us because a) every living soul will never be upright and strong. b) all soldiers will never lay their weapons down c) kings and queens will not lay down their crowns and most importantly d) there is no one true messiah to save us from our selves. So the main refrain is "there will be Sorrow" repeated over and over. But despite this he also holds on to the slightest glimmer of hope. All of those things are at least theoretically possible so at the end of the refrain he adds "no more". In the end the song is sort of an invitation to humanity to live without sorrow if we could somehow find a way to get rid of religion, authoritarian power structures, and tame our own worst human impulses for violence.

  • @keylimekisses
    @keylimekisses Рік тому

    Not religious! Very much for the people or the underdogs in our world who just want the same slice of the pie that the higher ups get it goes way further into politics and humanitarianism. *Punk at it's finest*

  • @charliemoss6379
    @charliemoss6379 Рік тому

    The basic meaning is if we all come together and follow the Golden rule things will be okay. Treat everybody else the way you want to be treated it's pretty simple, and there will be sorrow no more

  • @NinjaLill
    @NinjaLill Рік тому

    Please do American Jesus by Bad Religion. Please.

  • @MrGmonkeywillruleyou
    @MrGmonkeywillruleyou Рік тому +1

    They’re anti Christian lol

  • @gusklemp3477
    @gusklemp3477 Рік тому

    This song is about the fallacy that God is good. And how he allows his children to live in sorrow, for he bet with the devil. It is actually a atheist/misotheist song. And all the lies from church, government, rich and evil people such as soldiers/murderers.

  • @casbah2075
    @casbah2075 Рік тому

    Definitely not a Christian band. Highly recommend “Punk Rock Song” by Bad Religion if you want a good representation of their music. That or “American Jesus”.

  • @NeanderthalNatty
    @NeanderthalNatty 2 місяці тому

    How in the f do you wonder if BR is a Christian band when their logo is a cross buster 😂

  • @larrymartinez667
    @larrymartinez667 Рік тому

    And it's not Christian rock just pure California punk rock

  • @RomesThe59
    @RomesThe59 Рік тому

    It’s the opposite of Christian rock. The band are known atheists

  • @padenj420
    @padenj420 10 місяців тому

    Definitely not Christian rock. As others have said, they are one of the greatest punk rock bands of all time. Plus, their logo looks like a no smoking sign 🚭 but with a cross instead of a cigarette.

  • @djdemon51
    @djdemon51 Рік тому

    Its exactly the opposite of "Christian Rock"...there couldn't be a band thats more of an antithesis of that

  • @138jenn
    @138jenn Рік тому

    They are so anti organized religion!

  • @erykvonritzmann4741
    @erykvonritzmann4741 Рік тому +1

    This is not Christian Rock lol Atheist Rock really.

  • @MuchoMas640
    @MuchoMas640 Рік тому

    Check out the Suffer album.. and Noooo they are not a Christian rock .. far from it 😂❤

  • @hanswammerl3184
    @hanswammerl3184 Рік тому

    Bad Religion is definitely NOT christian rock! Listen to some other tunes by them - I've a few that are really great (to me):
    21st Century Digital Boy
    Along The Way
    Come And Join Us
    Delirium Of Disorder
    Fertile Crescent
    Hooray For Me...
    Marked
    No Control
    Walk Away
    Watch It Die
    Of course there are more really good songs by them!

  • @akplumber4084
    @akplumber4084 Рік тому

    Ni the R NOT A JESUS' BAND....they R PUNK ROCK

  • @longfootbuddy
    @longfootbuddy Рік тому

    oh boy, here comes all the athiests in the comments

  • @jonotwist
    @jonotwist Рік тому

    The jist that I got, father an sun is God and the devil. This world is full of the worst things imaginable. If God put us here, he put us here to suffer. Whether for god's plans, or like in the book of Job, a bet between God and the devil is why we suffer. When the heaven we seek is wrought only by our own hands. We make our own suffering separate from is intrinsically here.

  • @charliemoss6379
    @charliemoss6379 Рік тому

    They're definitely not a Christian band.

  • @Wanagiwishasha1
    @Wanagiwishasha1 10 місяців тому

    Thinking people’s music. Their singer is a Phd. An island of hope in a sea of horrible current meaningless, narcissistic music.

  • @MuchoMas640
    @MuchoMas640 Рік тому +1

    Please do Bad Brains - Coptic Times with lyrics!!! Plzzzzz ❤❤❤

  • @PoopscoopMcgoop204
    @PoopscoopMcgoop204 Рік тому

    Far from Christian rock. Keep going with the BR!

  • @23skidoo46
    @23skidoo46 Рік тому

    they're the antithesis of "christian rock" , lol . far from it.

  • @NotSure876
    @NotSure876 Рік тому

    This is one of their worst songs. Probably should’ve done God Song or You or Conquer the World to get a better feel of the band

  • @sergioblanco6321
    @sergioblanco6321 11 місяців тому

    is this christian rock lol this band is anti religion .... and fyi hes saying in a sarcastic tune btw. this song is satire of Christianity

  • @sammydabull318
    @sammydabull318 Рік тому

    complete opposite

  • @SwolllenGoat
    @SwolllenGoat Рік тому

    NOT christian rock my brah...................punk rock