How to swap an LS into a Gbody. Video
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- Опубліковано 27 кві 2015
- I have been asked to do a instructional video on swapping an LS into a Gbody. I know alot of people that personally hate videos like this but please be patient with it i worked really hard on it to help people and get the info out.
Parts i used are:
Car shop inc. 1 inch back plates found on Ebay
GM muscle car pan bought from Jegs
Advance Adapters flywheel kit 712500A found at Summit
Holley intake 300-132 found at Summit
Street Demon 750 carb from Jegs
MSD 6010 from Jegs
S10 LS swap headers found at Ebay.
Stock truck accessories. Remember smaller pulley may be needed.
Yes my apologies stock power steering lines will work with truck accessories.
This list is by no means what you have to use. This is just what worked for me. What works for me may not work for everyone - Авто та транспорт
There will always be haters, I commend you for spending some of your time teaching me, I didn't know about the crank sensors, now I do, thanks!
Glad i could help man!
Thanks, your video answer a lot of question LS rookies like me may ask... GREAT job!
Thanks so much!
You don't know how much I appreciate this simple and to the point video. Thanks a lot man
Thank you so much im glad I could help. Im gonna try and do a verbal video also eventually. And sorry I took so long to reply back
Thanks! I have a 85 Monte sport coupe in the garage that has been waiting on body mounts for the last couple years, and that car has a 5.3 longblock from an express van sitting inside a shopping cart next to it. This video made me a little more confident that i'll be able to do the swap instead of dropping a 350 in.
I'm also almost finished swapping a square body suburban minus torque converter. One thing you could add to this is with the gas tank from a fuel injected G body with the 4.3, you can replace the electric fuel pump in that tank with the AC delco EP381 for cheap and not have to worry about an external one and it will put out enough pressure to feed the LS if you keep the stock fuel injection
Thank you for the view. And thank you for the input.
When I originally made this video about 2 years ago I had originally planned to do both a tutorial on carb and fuel injection. I even had alot of the editing done to do so.
The reason I cut fuel injection out of the video is because along with this video being a "How to" I also wanted it to be a summary of my Malibu project.
So then I had a whole video "How to" of my 88 Stepside planned out and half way edited. It was going to be the video where I went into full detail of LS Fuel injection. That video never got completed because I had HUGE viewer request to run the Fitech TBI unit on the 5.3. So that video got cut as well.
Maybe I'll return to the subject one day. But back in 2013 to 2014 info was still limited. Where as today in 2017 all the information is a click away. But I still may return to the subject at some point. Right now I mainly just Vlog projects.
Awesome video! Def makes me feel better about swapping an LS into my Malibu
Thank you, I'm swapping an LQ4 cammed with a Texas Speed Shop stage 4 and a 4L60E into an 1984 Caballero. It use to have a 6 cylinder in it. Haven't started the swap yet still getting all the accessories.
Keep doing wat your doing.. Priceless info!...Keep those vids going!!
Thank you very much :)
Guys i want to apologize. Ive gotten a couple emails about it. Stock power steering lines from the Gbody will work with the power steering pump on truck accessories
+Malibu Jak love the swap. i trying to find someone in indy that can do this. i want that done to my 85 MCSS.
Awesome job on ur build man.
wow...that really answered some questions I had. Thanks for making this video.
No problem glad I could help
Really think I'm going to try my motor swap myself now, after watching this! Taking the 350 out of my 85 Regal for a LS1
Nice! Sounds like an awesome idea. Remember don't rule out a 4.8 or 5.3. Both awesome motors
Nice Video. You pointed out some very helpful stuff.
Glad I could help!
Great video... answers the basic questions
Lanc Mac Glad I could help.
So you said that going with fuel injection isnt any harder so you seem to have some knowledge on the subject. Going with for example an edelbrock victor jr EFI intake and throttle body on the LS1, do you know if the sensors on the throttlebody hook right up to the stock ecu the engine came with?
Hey just wanted to say u got a great build goin on .. got a question I’m thinking of running the holly intake with the elboe snorkel n a 102 tb my question is do u think it’ll fit ? Cause with ur carb n airfilter looks to be pritty much the same night if not urs looks alil taller then what I’m planning on my 85 regal.. what are ur thoughts?
what did you use for the water temp guage and oil pressure guage set up
Hey Jak, did the stock lifters and pushrods run smoothly paired with the upgraded cam and valve springs? I'm new to the LS world and plan on doing a build with a LM7 and love your setup!
Did you have to switch the power steering pulley? And if so which belt did you end up going with to accommodate the smaller pulley? Thank you
Good Video, i bought the GM oil Pan and used Hooker mounts, for my Regal and i had clearance issues with the centerlink, and from your video i should get a set of adapters plates. (headed to amazon right now)
i did had a question, How did you like that cam? im searching for a good street/strip cam.
Getting ready to do a swap on a 1980 cutlass so I will need some help my 6.0 had a 4L80e will I need a spacer for my turbo 350 transmition
Good vid man, I plan on putting a LQ9 in my 96 impala ss. I'm sure doing the swap is about the same.
thanks for the vid man. about to tackle one of these swaps soon.
Glad to help
@@jacobdavis1979 I'm currently doing I 5.3 swap into my 78 Malibu I have fully built heads with 1.7 roller rockers and I'm hesitant about using stock valve cover do u know if there will be clearance issues or not...BTW thanks for the vid
Thank you for the info. I do like having something i can read instead of listening to someone i cant always understand lol
No problem at all I'm glad I could help
I have quick question , what fuel pump and how you plumbing your lines
Stuck on the truck accessories. I noticed your bracket only has two bolts in. Does your third bolt not line up?? I have a lq9 in a 84 Monte and my truck acc bracket bolts are not lining up. Am I the only one with this issue??
Sharp looking set up
Thanks Josh!
go to the junkyard and any 6.0 L flywheel will work if switching from standard to auto with th200,350,400,700r4 and it comes with that adaptor piece. a company called PSI makes nice harness kits and sells ECU,s to run ls motors!!! im in the process of putting a supercharged ls3 in an 85 regal
+James S Sounds good man. Great info!
Great video!
Thank you so much!
Just saw this video. Really good. If you can tell me about fuel regulator pressure, it would help me finish my project.
I am 90-95% finished with my 6.0 LS swap in a c4 corvette. Got all the adapters connected, engine mounted and trans connected with adapter ring. Got the 6014 mds box hooked up. Put a resister wire to alternater.
Now I made a t post for the fuel line
One for send, another for return and last to Mr. Gasket fuel regulator.
That line feeds into a fuel psi gauge into the Holley quick fuel 750 carb with an Edlebrock manifold.
(Don't mean to make this so long)
Since it is a 6.0 I had to install a bigger charged battery and a 6 psi electric fuel pump for it.
NOW FOR THE PROBLEM:
It cranks strong and actually starts but too strong. The engine revs as if the throttle pedal is on the floor and the back wheels start to spin on park then shuts off cause it used up the fuel in carb resv. I have put the back wheels on jack stands and tried lowering the regulator to a 4 psi but still too much power then shut off.
Needs to run between 6-7psi.
Any advice, opinions, on this would help. Thanks.
awesome work, thanks for the info.
Thank you. Glad to help
thanks wonder wats stock hp and thn wat will new hp be.....
I’ll be referring back to videos such as yours, thank you. I’m looking to swap a 6L into my 81 Malibu. I’m going to keep it fuel injected, which means some more odds and ends to figure out, but it’ll get there. Anyone have any experience with boring these out .04 over? Good reliable power? Just thinking out loud
Lots of helpful info
have you heard of anybody swapping the inline 6in a trailblazer for an LS.i know about the trailblazer SS and the ls2 but the forums have talk of frame difference.any help would be appreciated
IM WORKING ON A 92 CAMARO WITH A 6.2 SWAP THERE IS NOT VERY MUCH INFORMATION ON THE 6.2 SWAP. YOUR VIDEO ANSWERED A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT MY SWAP.
Glad I could help. For a Camaro it should be similar steps. I think the oil pan would be the biggest thing I'd worry about.
ty for this video i was dreading the electrical part of thr swap.....but to find out the wires needed to start it are so simple i feel stupid lol.......thanks a million bud great vid
Glad I could help :)
If you're going fuel injected and decide you don't wanna mess with a stock harness I recommend looking into PSI Conversions. They make fuel injection every bit as easy as a carb conversion.
Malibu Jak i have a 62 ford falcon with a 350 in it but i want to put a ls motor and go carburetor as its only a race car and im very good tuning carbs.....i subscribed and liked your videos...we need more people like you.thanks bud
Thank you man. It means alot. :)
Who makes those headers?? Could you send a link I found a ton of s10 swap headers but I want to get the right ones. Ls swapping an 86 ss Monte Carlo
very good info.thanks
Good deal. Thanks for the video.
We're did you buy that carburetor air filter from
Can you use that same stand alone Ecu for an Ly6 with Ac and fuel injection?
Michael Cimino MSD 6010/12/14 is for ignition only. If you want to use it with fuel injection you'll need Efi that does fuel only. Which will work, but that's an expensive way of going about it. Plus you would have 2 ecus and 2 harnesses to deal with. I don't recommend it.
Since you're 58x with an LY6 I recommend either an E38 ecu, MS3 Pro, Holley HP/Dominator or even a PO1 411 with a 58 to 24x conversion module.
Do you use inline fuel pump or can you possibly modify stock if it's intake pump? Thanks for sharing! That engine is NICE!
Dime Fever Thank you.
Assuming you're working on a Gbody also, many people have swapped the tank and sending unit for any 87 Gbody that had a pump from the factory. You can use the factory in tank pump for a carb with a bypass style regulator, or swap the pump out for example a Walbro 255 for fuel injection.
How was hood clearance with that air filter??
now that is absolutely beautiful
Thank you so much!
No problem brother Im into cars myself and love to see people doing great things with them
Awesome video.. good info...
BADAZZ93STANG No problem man im glad i could help. Im not really sure why i had to approve your comment and no one elses my apologies if you thought i was ignoring you lol
The spacer pictured @ 2:10 is a "FlexPlate Adapter Spacer for LS swap conversion" for anyone who doesn't know what to search for.
Thanks for the info but I have a few questions that I hope you can help me with.
1) What bolts do I need to hook up the TH350 to the 5.3?
2) I have DBW tb since it's from a 2003. What would I do for the TH350 to shift on it's own? Or would I have to manually shift it? I don't mind the manual shifts just curious about that.
You can order a set of bolts for the 60/80e. They will work.
For the th350 to shift all it needs is a full time vacuum source to the modulator valve.
i have a 77 swb Gmc and have a 6.2 jus laying around would wud all the same step go for a 6.2 if so what size cam and which will be better carb or injection. ...
Yes the same steps can be used. And for carb vs injection neither is better then the other. It's all in personal preference.
For a cam in a truck I recommend something from Brian Tooley Racing ( BTR ) in truck cams. Not N/A cams. Truck cams. With matching springs and converter
did you put a hood scoop ?
How much to do that fuel injection though
Would you know the number to the smaller pulley for the power steering ? I modified my bracket & barely clears but at WOT it snaps my belt.
Also, if I run a smaller diameter pulley with stock bracket , won’t I need a different harmonic balancer for it to not over rev?
You could try Dorman 300-201. It is smaller than the factory pulley.
But not so much smaller that you would need to change balancer sizes.
Malibu Jak thank you bro ima definitely give it a try
I got a 87 Grand Prix it's a V6 what do I need to do
I'm putting a ls in my 1987 Chevy Monte Carlo and I went the carb route also, my question to you is, did you have to get a cowl hood for the intake to clear. I went with an Edelbrock dual plane intake. Thanks
Its hard for me to say for sure weather or not you'll need a cowl hood, because my car already had one. Although I don't think you will.
I will have room clearance with my 2 inch intake cleaner. Just now want to see if I can go with a 3 inch open flow air cleaner now
straight to the point!!! Now do a video showing the swap with fuel injection!!! Did You use power stering or a manual gear box?
Yes sir Fuel injection is on the way when or if I do my Stepside.
Ive got power steering the 5.3 pump works with great with the stock lines.
@@jacobdavis1979
Thanks for being straight to the point. Will that MSD box run the fuel injection?
Hay bro I am thinking of a 6.0 swap n my 89 box if I do wat you don with mad box do have to get the ecu deleted
Msd box
Great work, i wish i had this vid when i did my swap. i have the 4.8 with the edelbrock intake and carb. for the power steering pully the fron a 2001 monte carlo ss worked great for the clearance. question i have a desiling issue with mine. i have the 600 cfm carb. have you encountered this issue at all? thanks
Sounds like a sweet ride man.
To me it sounds like a timing issue. Try playing with the curve alittle more. Mine seemed to work best at 12 degrees cranking, 18 while idling, and 29 total after about 2500 Rpm
+Malibu Jak
Thanks a lot my friend. I found the dieseling issue was the gasket i was using. i install a 3/8 for the dual plenum and the issue is resolved. I uploaded the timing curve that worked for you and it was a night and day difference. Right from the line it pulled at least ten times better off the line. i just tweaked for cruising. Thanks again for the help.
I want to do a swap on my Cutlass but what fuel pump did you use on your swap for carbed or injected. I really want to go injected.
A good fuel pump for a naturally aspirated engine up to 600hp fuel injected I'd use a 255lph.
The Walbro 255 is a nice pump.
Bro i been waiting on u to drop sum videos. Shit i still watch your old ones. ..im gonna do ls for sure and you just made it very simple. Do us,all a favor and shoot sum videos too. That will be well appreciated
Greg Kendrick Thank you very much for the feedback man and im glad i could make it simple. And thank you so much for watching my videos!
I got a quick little update going up tonite hopefully if not tomorrow to show how the project is coming. Unless somthing goes wrong it should be up.
I think this weekend i am gonna grab the camera and show everything and talk it over and hopefully that helps out.
im,still a little confused about motor mounts and the spacer for flywheel?
Justin Page The 1 inch set back plates move the LS engine into the exact position a 350 or other SBC would sit into the engine bay. So you can keep the transmission and cross member in the factory location. This also allows you to keep the factory length drive shaft.
The spacer is strictly for using an older style transmission like the TH350, 400, 700, etc behind an LS since the crankshaft is .400 shorter than an SBC.
Where did u get the piece to put in top radiator hose to hook up steam vent?
Marieco Harris It's a Jegs inline drain valve.
Do anyone know if a 1995 pontiac tran am computer and wiring harness will work with a 94-96 chevrolet impala lt1??
If the trans am originally had an Lt1
Great video just wondering if you can send a link for headers you used same setup even same car
Those headers were actually from an individual I believe not a retailer.
They are called S10 swap headers. Many retailers on ebay have them
on the alternator tip how can i contact you
do you have good clearance issues with that intake? i wanna use that intake but i don't wanna put a scoop on my hood 87 cutlass
I don't know for sure if it fits under the stock hood or not.
I've got a 2 inch cowl.
I'm doing a swap in my 86 buick regal can I use my stock gas tank
I would say definitely. Especially if you're going carbed. Going injected, I imagine you probably still could with some kind of in-line pump. Maybe someone sells a kit to utilize factory tank with a drop in electronic fuel pump?
Hey jack to drop and ls 5.3 2006 in my g body Monte Carlo do I need the harness and computer for the 5.3? Or with the msd it should be good?
John Jamaica The MSD 6014 is an ignition only box. Typically used for carb conversions.
If you want fuel injection you'll need the factory computer and harness. No MSD box with that setup.
Malibu Jak okay thanks for your help ! I'm 18 and plan on taking that 350 out and going carb be cause it's easier lol I'm a newbie
Did u use a msd 6014 or 6010?
John Jamaica MSD 6010 is an old 24x reluctor ignition controller.
6014 is the new upgraded version. it'll do 24x or 58x.
Thanks for the vid it answered a lot of questions I had. I just got a hold of a stock 6.0 and full wiring harness and cpu with 89k on it. Going to put it into my 85 Monte Carlo want to keep it fuel injected tho', will the MSD take care of the VAT issue too ? And I've heard something about needing a new gas pedal if you're staying injected, is this true.
Gregory Green If you're going fuel injected you don't need the MSD box at all.
And if your engine is 24x you can run a 0411 pcm with a DBC throttle body.
If you're running a DBW yes you will need the matching gas pedal.
Sorry for my stupidness but I'm new to the LS game, but when you say 24x are you referring to the reluctor wheel?
And i'm assuming that the 58 would be DBW.
Gregory Green yes. The early LS engines had a 24x crank reluctor. Later models had a 58x reluctor.
Usually 24x engines have a black crank sensor. 58x have a gray one.
Thanks a ton Malibu Jack !!
Gregory Green No problem at all.
what would be the best motor for a lecon town car 1988
That's a bit of a vague question. No offense.
What year el El Camino And do you know if they have a ls swap kit for a 87
Andrew Hewitt This is actually a 79 Malibu. Yes there are tons of kits available on the market for G body. At the time this video was made the market for G body LS swaps was very limited. Today we have parts galore.
Ggood, because I want to get an LS 5 .3 for my 1984 el camino
Jak, I have quite a few people telling me that the demon 750 is too much for my setup.. Ive read and read and read but 750 cfm seems to be pretty common on ls engines. Im running a 6.0 lq4 motor with a comp xer287 cam (238/240 duration at .050, 605/609 lift, and 112 lsa) and stock 243 heads.. Contemplating buying a new, smaller cfm carb, but I was kinda wanting to hear about how yours worked out since our builds are very similar. Don't wanna spend money on that that could be allocated elsewhere. Thanks! -Jerry
I believe alot of people say a 750 is too much due to the fact everyone is used to working on SBCs and SBFs. The volumetric efficiency of an LS is a tad bit different than the older engines.
Typically the way to gauge CFM thats needed is by engine vacuum. Holley states their carbs work best at just tad under atmospheric pressure at WOT so fuel atomization is still at play.
So if you're running lets say a 650 carb and you're running 5 psi of vacuum at WOT the carb is too small. This works vice versa also. If you're running a 750 carb and at half throttle you're at atmospheric pressure. Then the carb is too large.
750 should be about correct. And if you find then engine is running to rich, just swap jets until you get you're desired AFR.
Wooooh. That was a long winded comment sorry about that lol.
What part did you use for steam hose into upper rad hose
Cameron feltz Jegs inline drain valve
I just bought a 79 TransAm , and want to swap a 5.3 from the junk yard into it . Will the harness from the 5.3 be any good ?
As long as it's not butchered and cut up. AGearHead4Life aka Mark has a video on how to use the stock harness to run a 5.3
+Malibu Jak Alright , Thanks for the feed back. Sorta new to this
We all gotta start somewhere Lol. LS swaps use to scare me to death now its like eh. You will like it
thanks for the video
No problem
Will the same steps you used will it work in a 84 caprice
It should. I imagine a Bbody is a bit larger than a Gbody. So I imagine everything should fit nicely
I am planning a 2004 5.3 swap into my 1984 Monte SS.
There is a lot of good information on this video. Thank you
Galaga Glad it could help. :)
nice video.
Thank you.
May do an updated version in the future
+Malibu Jak sweet I will be watching for it
HOW ABOUT A LS1 IN A 84 BUICK LESABRE WITH A 307 OLDS FROM FACTORY CAN THIS BE DONE I HAVE A TH200-4 TRANSMISSION GUIDE ME YODA THANKS
Antoine Finch anything can be done.. just have to have the money.. 4500$ LS swap where I'm from
Yes it will work just the same as in this video. As mentioned in the video you will need to get the flex plate adapter for your transmission so the converter doesn't pull out of the transmission to far.
how much did that conversion cost I have fuel injection but damn computer keeps going out that's why I want to go Carb
The computer keeps going out? Harness issue possibly.
But a carb conversion was $250 for the intake, $350 for the MSD box, and the carb of your choice. On this build I used the 750 Street Demon. Ran about $320 I believe.
What all do i need to put an Ls in a 82 monte carlo
Jonathan Clark The video should answer most of your questions.
What did you do for wiring? Cause im keeping it fuel injected
If your keeping injection you can either modify a stock harness with instructions on Lt1swap.com or you can buy a complete brand new plug and play harness from Psi or Painless. And make sure you have vats removed on the PCM or it wont run
How do you get the 350 to shift? What vacuum did you use, sorry if it's been answered or if it's dumb but am stopped on this
Full time vacuum on the back of the Street Demon
And no its not a dumb question lol
Ok thanks ill watch it again
Jonathan Clark No problem. I understand that my response made me sound a little bit like a smart ass and for that I apologize.
But this video should apply to most G bodies.
If you're wanting fuel injection, a fuel tank from an 87 Monte Carlo with an aftermarket pump should work wonderfully.
do you know if a 6.0 with a supercharger will fit in a 83 cutlass and be able to keep the stock hood?
No idea. Like an LSA blower?
no not a blower, its just a supercharger on a 6.0
Sorry. Alot of people I know refer to supercharger as a blower Lol. But either way no I don't know for sure. The truck intake barley fits
What can I do to my 03 monte Carlo
+Malibu Jak What did you use for a fuel pump?
Jegs 7 psi electric pump.
Cool. Thanks.
for a filthy ass shot that was a clean f****** video good job bro
Oh okay thank you
hi buddy I'm hi buddy I'm working on a 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme original 307 Olds I am looking to I am looking to go to an LS1 or a larger motor like the six liter and I would like to stay fuel injected as possible can you please point me in the right direction that what I would have to do to do this work? I have grown up around Corporation and the typical early Generations carbureted blocks me and my dad have never done an LS swap because we were afraid of getting it running as far as the computers and getting the fuel injection system to work so any information to lead me in the right direction I would appreciate. Your video was very helpful
Swap your intank pump to a Walbro 255. Get some good quality Fuel injection hose and Efi clamps not worm clamps. You need a Pcm with Vats removed so it can start.
Check out a website called PSI Conversions. They have very simple to use Plug n Play wiring harness for the LS engine and you can purchase PCM with Vats removed from them also.
The engines are very simple just be sure to do some research so things go well :)
Also don't rule out the 4.8/5.3 they are very great engines. Much cheaper than LS1
What headers do you recommend in a ls 5.7 in a 88 monte carlo ss
The S10 LS swap headers should fit perfectly with no modification. If you want long tubes F body will work but the driver side collector has to be cut and welded on straight instead of an angle
Thx for knowledge
Hi Jak
what Radiator did you use?
Stock 79 Malibu
Thank you much
Glad I could help. I may do more stuff like this in the future.
did you end up using a map sensor at all. and if so how did you mount it
I have yet to install it. Alot of people though just let it hang by the hose on the carb swaps
Thanks for the quick reply
No problem man. Its really only for the vacuum advance on the 6010
How can I hook up the vacuum line to the transmission into the intake
Jovani Torres My apologies if this sounds rude but I'm not sure what you mean. Are you just out of vacuum ports? Could use a T fitting with something like the brake booster.
The transmission I apologize
T off the brake booster to the transmission vacuum
Yes. The modulator valve just needs a clean full vacuum source.
Malibu Jak I thought I need to come off the intake manifold so the carburetor to the brakes correct i t off
what did u use for the radiator hose connector
It's a drain valve. Got it from Jegs in the cooling section. I took the plug out and put in a 1/4 inch npt fitting to 1/4 inch hose
+Malibu Jak ok thanx!!
No problem. Thanks for watching :)
what oil pump you use???
Stock
i know its been a while but do you remember what valve springs you used. By the way keep up the good work.
Thank you :)
My Malibu I used Blue LS6 springs.
It's best to get the correct springs for your cam of choice though.
Well I'm building an 84 cutlass and really like the way your g body has turned out. Do you recommend the cam you used and if so what model cam was it.
The cam I used in this build was called the Edelbrock 2215 I believe. It's been a few years so my numbers could be rusty. It sounds good, and has a great torque curve. Felt good with the 2800 stall converter I used.
They also have a 2216 model that's alittle hotter than this one.
It's a great cam for the price I paid. It was a black Friday deal I got for like $200.
What it cost you for the swap
Vonta Pleasant In this configuration, and including the cam, springs, carb, intake, torque converter, etc. This ran about $3000.
Nice
Thank you
What size chip you running in your msd boxs
Number 3. only because I don't have access to a laptop
10\4 what do u think about them msd coils and wires
Wires are ok. Don't waste money on Msd coils. Factory ones have been known to do well over 1000hp.