A Routine Landing Ends in a Terrifying Crash (Going Over the Edge)
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- Find out why the aircraft operating as Atlantic Airways Flight 670 failed to stop after landing and fell down a steep cliff at the end of the runway.
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0:00 Intro
0:44 Departure
2:33 TakeOff
3:33 Preparation for Landing
6:30 Landing and Crash
9:50 Investigation - Розваги
You take off correctly. You navigate well. You touch down fine. And after all that, you find you can’t stop. Such a tragedy.
This is one of those why I watch these. Sometimes all you can do is try to mitigate disaster. I am sure trying to skid the plane to slow it down is never a thing anywhere in any manual. Sullly get a lot of credit but these are kind of unsung heroes.
Short runway in a northern latitude, marine clime with probable wet or damp runway should register with the pilot as "If one thing goes wrong, TOGA." When he heard the first officer announce, "No spoilers," that was his signal to stop trying to "save the landing." and to either go around or go on to the next long runway.
Lol I saw one today … 18 years of money to raise a kid just for him to jump off a cruise ship and drown LOL
Something like that happened at Midway. They went over the edge of the runway. Killed some kid in the backseat of their parent's car as they sat in traffic
Should have just made a hard right and what happens happens 😔
What a strange accident. Often mistakes and bad decisions are obvious afterwards, but I can't see how a pilot caught in that situation would have had time to do anything better really.
Hooray for the return of the title music - it is part of the channel's identity. Also, the new easier to read fonts are great.
Couldn’t agree more!
I'd prefer narrated, having to read text detracts from the excellent visuals and the watching experience in general
I prefer the old music that he played when he first started. But, this doesn't sound bad.
@@JH-Carbon agree, it’s my #1 favorite. Love the dramatic symphony.
I guess that it was a little bit too much for some? Who knows, but I miss it very much.
I miss the consistency of the original font, in uppercase, being used at all times. This video has: 1). All uppercase original; 2) Upper and lowercase original; and 3) Upper and lowercase manuscript. Mix 'n' match is not a great way to style anything.
Seems to me the Captain did everything he knew to stop the plane. Sometimes it's not enough.
Truth
hope he was able to make it out alive
Pilots did NOTHING wrong, in my opinion. RIP to the victims of this crash.
Completely agree with you!
I disagree. They should have given in to reality long before they reached the end of the runway and hit the grass/hoped it dug in. Given how slowly they rolled over the edge, veering off into the grass would have saved them.
@@privateer0561 So you would have killed more people
@@privateer0561 No, left, descent; right, rocks. F*** both of those obstacles. End of runway, while they still had a chance of the brakes working was 100% the best option. Remember, it's literal split second decisions. Hindsight like yours is 20:20.
@@curbyourshi1056 rocks isn’t worse then the descent they went on. They would have hit rocks at 10mph. Pilots could Run to fuselage cabin and strap in.
These are such a joy to watch because they’re so well done. Of course the subject matter is altogether different. 🥺
This was a really peculiar event for me, I was working as a pilot at the time and was in the office at a different airfield from this one when I saw this on the news, then one of our pilots who was airborne came on the radio as I was watching this saying he's gone off the end, and I couldn't twig how he knew and for a moment I was confused, then I heard sirens outside and realised we had just had an overrun on our airfield, a light twin-engine freight aircraft failed to get airborne on take-off and overran in the attempted abort going into a field at the end of the runway
Very sad, sir if you could answer two questions I would greatly appreciate it.
1. What if the pilot would of turned the engine off?
2. Why did he not use the land on his left or right? It just seems that by doing so, this could of possibly been prevented. Thank you
@@magalirojas8189
To be honest with you I haven't watched the video yet, am going to now I have finished what I was doing for the day, this was a long time ago and I don't fly 146's so I got to say I can't answer either question, sorry.
@@magalirojas8189
1: Turning the engines off is not SOP in an emergency as this on the Bae/Avro. Engines 1 and 4 run the generators powering the AC and DC-buses, while engines 2 and 3 run the hydraulic pumps for the yellow and green system respectively. If you turn them all off you lose AC-electrics (unless you landed with the APU running and the generator on), and most of the hydraulics. The DC-pump in the yellow system will maintain pressure for braking, but the standby generator in the green system will not be able to run, because it needs the 3100-psi system pressure that the EDP on engine 3 produces.
Doing this on purpose defeats safety. The emergency systems are there for when things go wrong, but degrading the airplane on purpose is not a good move.
And in the end, the engines produce very little thrust on idle. Should it have been of any use to them, it would have to be done immediately upon landing, which is counter-intuitive.
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Clicking this link takes you to a Norwegian site about the airport in question, but look at the image on the right. It shows the end of the RWY where the aircraft went over the edge. Had they turned hard left, they would have gone over an equally steep edge. To the right was a smaller edge, and maybe they could have saved the day by turning that way.
Could it have been prevented by going to the right? Maybe, maybe not.
1) if the pilots powered off the engines then reversers could no longer be used
2) if they made too sharp of a turn, the aircraft would flip and that would be really bad
Hope these cleared it up
@@MaxTheodore-my8gu one more clarification if I may. There is the run way and land on both sides, so if the pilot were to turn slowly 5 to 10° either L or R to get the aircraft off the runway and onto the land, would the plane slow down? Thank you for answering.
BAE 146 - my favorite (mini) jet aircraft of all time !
Cute & compact - seems more like an RC Airplane enlarged, than anything.
Bet they're fun to fly on or in...
She’s a noisy one 😅
Not on or in this one....
@@lukamarko1037
Right size is so small engines are near.
I flew on an Airbus A321 over wing & later on return leg, far away in front.
Unbelievable the noise difference in the few feet of spacing.
I liked them because they look really goofy and cartoonish.
@@babycarrotz32
100% agreed.
Cute more than goofy.
Like a Caracture drawing lol
The visuals keep getting better! And an actual pilot figure in the right seat! Superb
Without his uniform!
It looks very close to real life ....
6.6 seconds is a hell of a long time before hitting the brakes coming in slightly fast and beyond the normal touchdown zone on a short runway and the spoilers not deploying. With hindsight, as we all know is a wonderful thing, they would have done better using the forward momentum, going to full power and taking off again. Once in the air they would have had more time to evaluate things.
@WayneM1961
I thought that as well, that's a LOOONG time in that situation.
That's the tragedy of a short runway- the margin of error is too small when you have to make a call due failure of any kind . The delayed awareness of the spoilers too contributed. In this case thus the speed was critical .
@@jkardez4794 Midway is notorious for this problem and 6 months a year you have rain, ice or snow.
I’ve been watching this channel for a year or so…love your videos. However, this one, in terms of production, animation, titles and music is your best one yet! 😊
So close but yet so far 😢. At least most people survived 🙏🏻.
spoiler alert dude... more interesting to watch not knowing the result
Now, don’t read the comments before watching.
@@now7243 pro tip: watch comments section only after watching the video because yes the comments would be like aftermath discussion kinds
@@shayla4969 good advice, but the top one is always visible without going into the comment section
@@now7243 No, if you DON'T look at the top of comments, you can't know what's inside. Again it is YOU who actually read comments. Each time I DON'T read any and click on the video to watch it, then come back here.
So what, because you can see some of the top comments on your screen, we all must abide to your rules? Are you serious?
We will continu to speak about the accident in the comment section, and if you are unable to refrain to read the top comments, this is YOUR problem, not ours.
@TheFlightChannel
*Please leave the "In memory of....." messages up LONGER. Thank you friend!*
Amazing video - lush production, music on point again and the text narrative is just great. Love these recreations so much!
I'm so sorry 4 died. I'm glad you include the seconds spent on these decisions. They don't have a lot of time to think through all their options. I think the pilot made a few but it really bothers me that they couldn't determine why the flaps failed to work. I think the combination of both is what contributed to this tragic event. In some ways, I'm amazed more souls didn't perish. Thank you for another great presentation.
The flaps were fine, it was the spoilers which failed to deploy. When you are in trouble in an aircraft, your first thought is to mitigate the problem. Wondering why there is a problem is a distant second thought.
You do an excellent job. Thank you very much.
What a strange event. I’ve flown on the 146 dozens of times into LCY. Even though it’s not fitted with thrust reversers, the breaking action on this aircraft is immense, kind of like an emergency stop in your car.
Beautiful video! Thanks
Have a great day everyone ❤
When the somber music starts I know bad news lies ahead... Masterful recreation again TFC, thank you.
Very disturbing...My condolences to loved ones. Amazing graphics from TFC. Thanks!
nice to 'see' one of the pilots. that is a cool look.
Love this channel.
WHY
I love all your videos! I've watched them for many years and they are both informative and very-well made. It's because of your videos that I wanted to get into the aviation industry. ❤
Good luck and remember: it may be you that saves an entire plane someday from these lessons
Goodluck, I'm with you.
yea, i went on to apply for atc position in my country and got declined immediately the next day 🤣
My most preferred channel
I feel pleasant anticipation whenever I hear that opening music. If I hear it anywhere else, I’m going to associate it with The Flight Channel for the rest of my life I think, and expect a video to pop up.
Condolences and warm wishes to the survivors....God rest their souls.
Another superlative presentation.
I lived in Stavanger, Norway for years. Flew out of Sola numerous times. Great place to live. Tragic accident. Norway is known for its usually very safe air travel.
Ok, so how many passengers were onboard, and was the cockpit crew in the surviving group?
12 passengers, 2 pilots and 2 cabin crew where on this flight. 4 people died (3 passengers and 1 cabin crew member). The 2 pilots survived.
I figured I must have missed this information. It’s normally ominous when, at the start of the video, the pilots identities are given as this usually means they died.
@@las2665 Thank you for this information.
@@moiraatkinson Yes, the specific information is missing from the video.
The 146 'Whisper Jet' was great to fly in. It was even better if you were under the approach or landing path.
Good video as always.❤
Thanks for a nicely done video. I'm looking t a few issues: 1. The Airport: The airport is in a region prone to cold, damp weather. It rains a lot. Given the short runway, why not invest in grooving it? And why not fill in one side or the other of the runway to provide a "shoulder?" 2. Given weather conditions and a non-grooved runway, turning off the anti-skid (like antilock brakes in a car) was not a good idea. The pilots should have let the brakes work as designed. 3. Another commenter here thought that the pilots should have tried to deploy spoilers a second time and I agree with this. 4. Maintenance: Atlantic Airways was at fault here for not taking meticulous care of the spoilers and flaps. On other aircraft, three systems help you stop. You have reverse thrust, spoilers and flaps, and friction brakes. On a wet runway, reverse thrust becomes very important. On a short wet runway, it's even more important. Hence, if Atlantic chooses to operate an aircraft without reverse thrust, its maintenance crew needs to make certain the other two braking systems (spoilers/flaps and friction brakes) work correctly every time, all the time. Alaska Airlines flies 737s routinely to airports with very short runways (Dutch Harbor) without a problem. The 737 has reverse thrust. It's a bigger airplane that may not be cost-effective for Atlantic Airways' contract, but the margin of safety is better.
Wild speculation. There is NO evidence that the inspection and maintenance of the aircraft was faulty. My road car has anti-lock brakes - in wet or slippery conditions (e.g snow), they are much less effective than manual braking because they are unable to cadence brake.
I just did a flight in MSFS with the Just Flight BAE 146. I turn on my UA-cam right after looking for a video to watch while I eat lunch and this is the video that I see. Lol sad story though that this was fatal.
So basically the emergency brake caused the overshoot? That’s rather ironic.
I KNOW, right ?!?
They had an emergency, and NO brakes.
(Damp runway part of problem)
Well, they don't call it an emergency brake for no reason. It cause an emergency!
@@longfade
Lol not the OP.
But to me, as in most accidents, several factors converged simultaneously.
That's a danged short runway for jets to land on.
No Grace threshold !
Just my .02
@@psalm2forliberty577 - So many factors.....starting with "4 whites" as they touched down. Had they just come in 10 knots slower the whole thing wouldn't have progressed to it's devastating end.
@@christopherweise438
Boy you got that right.
Seems like on that short runway, with cliff at end, excessive speed = fatal mistake.
Then again spoilers not popping up, had they functioned, all ok.
I did think pilot yawing side to side to try to scrub off speed was a nice "last ditch" effort.
I'm a big fan of the EMAS arrestor system...course there needs to be room.
Seems like a 100' of that would've saved them.
Esp considering only small regional hop jets could use that short runway !
Another great animation. An unusual aircraft I never heard of. Tragic.
Great video. Very sad accident, though. RIP.
It is such an easy thing to fly (I used to fly the RJ-85 & 100 into London City) but really, it's just the brakes that stop you.The spoilers just dump lift, so the tyres get a better grip. With only 12 punters, they must have been light.
But without the spoilers, the tires couldn’t get a sufficient grip to slow the plane down. The brakes were useless because the tires were hydroplaning. What do you think? I’m not a pilot so I’ll defer to you.
City was always one of my favourites the 146 was superb on the CDG route.
@@LBCORP1960 did the lack of spoilers really make that huge
of a difference?
I thought that this was a superb short-runway airframe.
Does an airfare such as this not have reverse-thrusters?
@@Unfinished_sentenc it stated in the video that the plane did not have reverse thrusters
A jet engine without reverse thrust seems unthinkable; in the circumstances it was calamitous.
*One thing that puzzles me is why didn't the FO try the switch more than once to deploy the spoilers after they failed to extend the first time? There are times when a faulty or intermittent electronic/mechanical switch(s) will work when you repeatedly try and activate them*
Do you think it would have helped to pull up the nose gear or all the gear once they realized they were going to overrun? Or would it refuse to retract since they were on the ground?
@@floortap Interesting thought, I would think the advancement level of these crafts might totally prevent you from retracting the landing gear once all wheels were on the ground for more than a few seconds, but then again that might be able to be overridden. It still bugs me that the FO didn't try and repeatedly try and activate that switch, it just might have worked for the
@@floortap On all the aircraft I've worked on there is a mechanical switch on the main struts called the WOW switch (weight on wheels). Once activated you can pull the lever up but nothing happens. It keeps the gear locked down.
@@floortapat what point would that have been done? I’m guessing they always thought they would be able to stop, they only needed a further 15m, which is nothing. Hindsight is wonderful, but if they had of retracted the gear and it was found to have not been necessary, what would have happened?
I saw it once in a hollywood movie, if you karate chop the switch very hard a few times, it will work, every single time.
The quality of these videos is exceptional.
wHY?
I always remember the Lamia crash when I see the BAe 146. I have for me that the BAe 146 it's an "unlucky" plane. RIP for the 4 people in the flight 670.
Wonderful quality simulation as usual! What can a flight crew do in a situation with tight landing margins where a critical, mechanical component involved in stopping the aircraft fails? It almost feels like a betrayal. The spoilers dump lift putting more weight down on the tires and runway so braking is far less effective on landing with the wings still producing significant lift. Landing on a short runway with nothing but rocky cliffs at each end is terrifying in and of itself so the crew and passengers must have become increasingly horrified as the plane rolled on and on. Just unimaginable and frightening simply being immersed in the experience of this top quality simulation. I felt like I was in the doomed plane. I hope I got out alive!
11:59 mention of "the fire" sent me back in the video to find an initial reference.
only the visual at 9:50 suggests a fire, and the caption says nothing about it, its cause or severity. could some exposition be added at that point? thanks.
It may have been pilot error, but they also hadn’t been trained for such a situation and the runway didn’t have any grooves in it either. The pilots also had to exit through a window because the cockpit door was jammed .
What an incredible story of tragedy and bravery !
Would you consider doing one on Delta 191? I lost my leg. I your channel to help me conquer my fear of getting back on a plane.
One of the factors in this downhill slide was the choice to opt for a straight in landing introducing a slight tailwind vs landing from the other end with a reduced touchdown speed.
Designed for short field w/o thrust reversers? TR don’t reduce landing distance on dry rwys (mostly help brake heating), but they do reduce it on wet rwys.
Well.....I'm always at a loss at how runways don't have some kind of safety systems for plane overruns.....since, well, we are dealing with people's lives and of course multi-million dollar machinery.....and especially for short runway airports...but whatever, I'm sure it must be cost prohibitive, but still.....one would think the airlines would want to insist or encourage this at all airports......
As noted above in the USA catch basins are being added at the end of short runways composed of concrete gravel. One is already in place at Chicago Midway after a 737 wound up on the street outside the airport killing a small child that was driving by.
@@deepthinker999 well, thats nice to hear and know, sadly Finland hopefully will consider adding one to this airport.....and it shouldn't take a death of child for it to be the impetus.....
I lost partial brakes in LGA in an Airbus. I'm very grateful it was an A319 and not a A321 that night.
LGA?
@@K1OIK New York's La Guardia runway 04. We would've been off into the EMAS.
@@TheSoaringChannel EMAS?
@@K1OIK "An Engineered Materials Arresting System (EMAS) uses a specially installed surface which quickly stops any aircraft that moves onto it."
@@skullsaintdead I guess Soaring Channel is a smart ass as he wants to impress with his use of acronyms that few know. He was too busy to type ngineered aterials rresting ystem.
When you’re a pilot but also a Initial D fan and you try to do the KANSEI DORIFTO in an emergency situation lol 🤣🔝
When the spoiler indicator lights didn’t come on I would pushed FULL THRUST ,,shift a gear and disappear back into the air and get the hell outta their! 🚀
The official abbreviation for meters is m, not mt.
M is fine, it’s what most people use
@TheFlightChannel please make a video of what happens to philippine airlines 113
The enhanced software is outstanding.
What Software is being used for this simulation ?? (If it was mentioned in this post) sorry that I did not see it..
The plane was worn out... what was maintenance records?? sad! TFC Rocks!!
It's so sad that four people died in this crash. With 15 more meters of runway, everyone would have been able to go home...
4 people could not make it out. Why do I think this was due to other passengers wasting time in the overhead bins
Or their seat location relative to the area of the fire. One F/A died possibly trying to get the (3) remaining passengers off of the plane.
@@deepthinker999 F/A ?
@@K1OIK Flight Attendant
@@deepthinker999
You are guilty of using unnecessary abbreviations. What did you do with the time you saved? Are you too hip and cool to use proper English?
The very definition of tragedy. Nothing could be done.
Little question: Why did you delete the video of the near Qatar airways crash TheFlightChannel ?
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It is being reworked and will come back when that is complete. New information became available about the accident which is causing the revision.
May Universe Showers Infinite Blessings Over You 🤩
You guys need to put the audio on these videos, to get a general idea of what people are seeing.
Maybe they should install a giant net at the end of the runway like they do on dragstrips! Also the plane should be installed with an emergency 'drag chute' like dragsters! the pilot could have employed one or more parachutes at the rear of the plane and that could be the factor to save the plane.
RIP all souls lost in this accident.
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@@andrewilliamcesardossantos1555 4 people died
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land can be more dangerous than the air
That's right, when I'm in the air I'm calm. But when I arrive at the destination my nerves begin to betray me.
Wonder whether a gravel trap would have helped.
Sounds like they just didn't have room for anything like that?
Why were the air brakes in the aft of the airplane not activated (inop?)
I know its being Monday morning qb but just wondering if all else fails could they just raise up landing gear on nose and try to slow it down as much as possible or is that much weight and needs to be off ground to raise up landing gear? Im no expert but just curious if that's the last resort before u go off a embankment. Prayers to everyone it effected
When you are in Norway: Could you do: Widerøe flight WF710, crash at Torghatten, Brønnøysund on 6. may 1988?
Sorry, I cracked up at the the tropical bird sound effect for an airport located in Scandinavia. Please keep using it inappropriately, though. 😂
😂😂😂that is funny.
What's next,a pelican?
Wasn’t there a month python sketch about the Norwegian blue parrot ?
@@desdicadoric it's an ex parrot, dead,deceased, no more, it's ex parrot 😂
@@JohnnyLaps
...Pelicans make noise???
Edit: usually silent.
Kind of meant the visual of the Pelican there George Carlin,but carry on
Please make a video on saudia flight 763 and kazakhstan flight 1907
not the ending I was hoping for. I wonder if steering off onto the soft unpaved area would have mired the wheels and stopped it any sooner. Maybe more violently I guess where you still get the fire in the end.
I never understood why airports don't have those safety catch things the navy has for the jets when they land....in these cases of planes having to emergency land they use them to help stop planes right away to avoid disaster
Sad case of landing on a wet non-grooved runway. Reminds me of the tragedy of TAM Airlines flight 3054 at São Paulo-Congonhas Airport in Brazil... Rest in peace to those who perished.
Excellent visuals and narrative, except aviation related velocities are measured in knots not metres/second.
I wish runways had more space at the end and not a steep cliff either. R.I.P to the souls lost.
Wow Lycoming makes jet engines?
No EMAS for the runway?
Due to the information provided in the video I have to points:
1. the touch-down speed had been estimated 112 kts, but it was 120 kts in fact.
2. landing on runway 33 implied a small tailwind component, but how much was it in fact?
So having chosen runway 15 as initially planned to avoid even a small tailwind component as well as touching down at a slightly lower speed might have avoided the crash.
RIP to the victims.
Yes, speed control and getting on the brakes early to test deceleration, can make a difference, especially with a tail wind.
😢💔
1:49- This powerful brakes are large but the plane overran 😅
If member serves, wasn't this the one where they were unable to shut down engine number 1 after stopping?
It sucks that the fans forced this channel to go back to doing videos without narration. It was nice to hear it like a podcast so I didn't have to pay constant attention to the subtitles.
Wow why is there so many run way overruns
Couldnt some sort of reinforced crash netting type barrier have bern at end of runway which would prevent planes from going down the drop or into the water taking the plane ito water though that may have saved lives RIP
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Again, I’m so impressed with the quality of your videos. Much improved over the years. I like to think of myself as computer and MSFS savvy, but I can’t figure out how you got a close detailed view of the main landing gear from the rear like that. Bravo!
MSFS?
@@K1OIK MicroSoft Flight Simulator.
@@LBCORP1960 What these type threads are full of are a closed club of elite who try to show how hip and cool they are by using aircraft terms
that easily could be spelled out so the casual viewer could understand them.
@@K1OIK Well, on planet reality, normal people have heard of Microsoft Flight Simulator and commonly use the four letter acronym. The video you watched here is made from it. It doesn’t take an elite to figure that out. Even kids know what it means.
@@LBCORP1960 I was in a group of kids, as a teacher known knew.
Do you realize not every viewer of this channel is not a Sully like you. I doubt if Sully were here, he would be so hip and cool as you. using aircraft acronyms. He would understand as smart as he is, he would not try to show up others using terms like CVR,CRM, GA. EFB, TOGA, FO. But you are not him you need to prove what you know.
That type of person is known as a know it all or smart ass.
The quality 😭
Even if the spoilers failed, why did the brakes not work either?
😢😢😢🙏🙏🙏😢😢😢🙏🙏
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This might be orthodox but em I the only one who was thinking the whole time DEPLOY the emergency exit raft, do create an air drag and stop the airplane.
Did His Maj, Charlie Boy, once take the Royal Flight off the end of the runway, though not with such catastrophic consequences.
Can't the try the grass for stopping faster?I dont understand why they dont have som kind of catching system at the end of runways... at least on these short ones.
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I can't comprehend how an aircraft manufacturer would design a jet aircraft without thrust reverser capabilities.
japan airlines flight 123 next plss
That’s already been done. You can see that on many other platforms
The only thing i wonder is how the spoilers failed
Its sad that this could have never happened if the bae 146 had reverse thrust
Unfortunately the pilots failed to do a pre landing briefing which would have included steps to take if the plane was not slow enough at a specific point on the runway
What steps?
MX performed the night before...... Landing with a tailwind on a shortish runway...... Bad luck.....So many ways an airplane can kill you.
Who the hell gets their weather briefing using meters per second for windspeed and hectopascals for air pressure?