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I don't even want to think about the other PIA pilots with faked pilot licenses when this pilot was actually an inspector supposed to keep pilots in line. Unbelievable. And nevertheless the reality.
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Remind me to never fly Pakistan Air. Substandard hiring practices, obvious excursions from the SOP's, low intelligence narcissistic pilots, and First Officers who clearly are unfamiliar with CRM procedures. What a bunch of idiots.
I mean, in the midst of the tragedy, the fact these guys could do every single thing wrong and still have multiple chances to land safe, even late in the situation, is pretty remarkable.
It’s a testament to how safe the planes. Every single one of these planes can be programmed to fly and land themselves. Everyone would have been safer had these guys taken off, gone to sleep and then returned for the auto landing (you can’t program an auto landing at just anytime).
everything in the world was trying to make them land safely but they somehow managed to crash into a residential area, it's an absolute miracle. whoever approved this guy's psychological report needs to be in prison
@@ishaan863psych report: you are not a good fit to be a pilot, you have no regard for authority and aren’t very smart Pilot: I’ll show you! I’m going to disregard your authority by seeking a second opinion 🙃
The country is running in the same way any time they will be a crash landing of the economy, political institution , educational institution, religious institution and militant groups will be running amok
@@MentourPilot That's what I was going to say. Often people cover up their lack of competence with abrasive arrogance so they not not questioned. I have seen this happen in the computer security industry. When I encounter such a person on my team or in a rank above me, I start looking for a new job.
Thank you for covering this. My university lecturer Sarah Polani sadly died in this crash with her family, flying home after covid shut down everything. RIP Sarah you are greatly missed.
@@meritwolf219 what does liking a comment exactly mean? Does it mean you like what's being explained or you agree with the sentiment of the statement? This philosophical questions has never been answered throughout human history.
I can’t believe you’ve managed to produce a nearly 55-minute long video without deeming the crew “dumbfucks” even once, kudos for that, it must have been terribly difficult.
That's not the point for videos like these. Why an accident happens and how it could have been done better and safely is way more helpful (at least for me or people wanting to learn stuff) than "Plane went down coz crew is dumb fk" get it?
@@railshot888 You've entirely missed the point of his comment. He's not saying that the point of these videos is to call the pilots dumb. He is saying that even with all Peter's professionalism, it would still have been very difficult to not call these pilots dumb, because let's be honest this was an astonishing display of stupidity and bad airmanship by the pilots. Some things are so egregious that they can take even the most polite and courteous person to the brink of calling you dumb.
"Negative sir, we are comfortable we can make it. Inshallah" - As an Arab speaker with no prior knowledge of this particular incident, the second he said Inshallah, I knew that this flight was doomed. Inshallah literally means "if god wills it" and is something you never want to hear, especially from a cockpit in in the context of the pilots of PiA8303. It can be be used as a courtesy, but in in this context it is essentially a "jesus take the wheel" moment. In a cockpit there is no "inshallah" unless you have lost all engines and all controls.
This story gets more unbelievable and more horrifying as it goes on. Those guys weren't in a fit state to drive a bus, let alone fly an Airbus, disregarding all sense and procedure and squabbling silently over the controls. Who could blame the aircraft's warning systems for not prioritising the warnings appropriately when the pilot appeared to be trying to crash the plane? To think that if they had simply realised that the gear was still up on their initial approach, they might still have been able to land the thing.
Zafar Masuod, one of the only 2 survivors of this flight, gave a speech at my graduation/convocation, more than 2 years after the crash, in December of 2022. He talked about a lot of things but one thing that really stood out for me was basically "If you're alive, you're alive for a reason, use this opportunity to spread love, and lift each other up".
Im from Karachi where this crash happened. It was so tragic. This was the second major crash in Pakistan in recent years and both of them happened because of the Captain's arrogance. Unfortunately corruption runs very deep in our country and that's one of the reasons why people are where they shouldn't be at all.
There's a cultural issue too. People in a position such as Captain tends to be arrogant, brash and so on. As we would say in the west. That man was outside of therapeutic reach. Doubt this man was flying due to corruption, I think he was flying because he was bullying his way ahead, and so are many others.
I've known others from Pakistan, who have complained about the corruption and arrogance as well. Yet some of these complainers continue lying and stealing inside the USA. This does not bode well for the Pakistani people.
It would have been so easy to blame it ALL on the pilots, but Petter in his final round-up lashing, outspokenly denounces malpractices, lassitude and negligence in the entire chain of responsibility. 🤬
Honestly, both engines put up a great fight, but man, engine 2 getting hit so hard it failed, then managed to restart itself and keep working with oil gushing out of it is insane.
Even when driving a car, if anything goes even slightly wrong before turning (i.e. seeing the turn too late), I accept my fate and let the GPS reroute me. It just seems so obvious that trying to make a bunch of decisions and bend the rules to turn at the last second is a great way to risk fucking it all up. A bunch of people have almost hit me doing it. So I was going INSANE this whole video.
@@Jormungandr633 I have no idea who you are or what your experience is, but I have to agree with that assessment. I think Helen Keller could have done better... even without her seeing eye dog.
To me, that is one of the most horrifying incidents I can recall. There were so many opportunities to avoid it. That crew was consuming slices of Swiss cheese faster than they could be produced.
I travelled PIA once and I vowed to never to do it again. The worst airline I have ever travelled with. The plane was literally falling apart. The side panel of the plane next to the window seat had come away, exposing wires which were taped over several times. When I mentioned it to the crew he replied "Start praying that we get there!" What sort of a response is that? I tried to kick it back into place but kept popping off. The gentleman sitting next to me asked the crew for some water and the crew member said, "You won't die without it!" We were mortified. The crew were so busy flirting with each other that the passengers didn't exist for them. The staff were dismissive, rude, arrogant and damn right lazy. I'm not surprised on the outcome of PIA. They are a liability. Awful airline.
@@Jacob-2796 I apologise. I didn't realise you were after an analytical analysis. Please accept my apologies for wasting your 1 minute of reading time.
The animated pilot/co-pilot sitting with their hands in their lap is a great representation of their actions during this horrible event. Jist just sat there and didnt do anything they were supposed to.
I have been an Airline Pilot for almost 20 years and this must be the absolute worst case of total incompetence, gross neglience, and sheer disregard for EVERY basic flying rule and procedure. During the description of the events, my incredulity kept rising to new levels that i didn't think were possible. This represents everything aviation should never be.
This is how Pakistan operates in every single aspect, from the government down to every citizen at a personal level . No procedures are followed, no integrity is maintained, no one's held accountable especially if they have money and most of all, no responsibility is taken. How about this, vehicle safety regulations were so outdated that cars from the 80s (suzuki mehran) were sold up until 2018 basically unchanged and I'm not exaggerating, it was the exact same 80s car with slightly updated exterior lights. Very famous for fatal accidents and it cleared the safety regulations all this time. Even after the update to the regulations in 2018, the newer version of that suzuki is still incredibly unsafe and basically a metal of death now with some questionable airbags in the front. Even today many cars made before 2018 (including moderately expensive ones like honda civics) roam the streets causing unnecessary deaths and injuries due to almost non existent safety equipment.
I too am an airline pilot, just approaching the end of a 37 year career. This appalling and completely avoidable accident will keep me and my family from ever travelling with this carrier. If this chain of events had been the plot for an aeroplane disaster movie, it would have been rightly criticised for being wholly unbelievable. Nobody could possibly be that arrogant, ignorant or stupid!
@@phee3D I can't agree more being a Pakistani. Human life has no value and people make shit excuses even in life threatening serious scenarios like these 😢
@@paulcurran5117 We Pakistani people avoid travelling with this airline. There's too much corruption in PIA and they are not willing to change or do anything about it. There was a video on YT years ago which showed a passenger complaining about a whole in the ground near his seat. Another about water falling from the roof of a passenger's seat and the crew was like, sir its raining outside 😶
@@phee3D Not EVERY aspect. ATC was a champion who tried to save these idiots from themselves and did very little, if anything, wrong. That's what keeps me from being totally black pilled about Pakistan's flying culture.
@@MentourPilot I know they did almost everything wrong, but watching 43:11, a single --two-- too low gear warning before touch down could've saved them.
I was shaking in my seat listening to the commentary in first 15 mins... It's aircraft, life of 90+ people, an excellent machine of millions of dollars, world class protocols to avoid such disasters.. and yet, such a casual approach from pilots. And reflecting back to Pakistan's response at the time.... They made then aviation minister scapegoat for making such grave irregularities in PIA and damaging PIA reputation (which in reality might have saved so many such incidents).
My close relative lost his life in this accident, a father of two 8-years old and 5 years old. It makes me angry to see the irresponsibility of the organization and its personnel.
The long in the tooth PAF mafia needs banning from ever participating in commercial aviation. Too many ingrained bad habits that they refuse to unlearn.
recently there was an investigation done and over it was found that 1/3 of active pilots were found with fraudulent licenses, so yeah theres alot of unprofessionalism accompanied with corruption here.
This was the most frustrating video I have seen you make. Continuous disregard for procedures. A lack of understanding what stress does to a person. An abandonment of CRM. It makes me want to show this video at our next safety meeting. I am the facility safety compliance officer for my company. Every rule we have to follow, OSHA, Fire marshal, building permits, etc. exist because of a tragedy. When I see someone make so many errors, someone who knows the rules, I am left angry and shocked too.
This entire flight, start to finish, was a disgrace to aviation. When you are that far off course and receiving orders, something must be wrong in their head to continue.
I lived very near to that crash site and you can even see my house at 52:17. I remember very clearly it was ramadan and it was a friday. It was the last jumma (Friday) of ramadan and i just came home from offering the prayer. As soon as i came home my phone started ringing and my friends and relatives asking me are you okay? They told me a plane has crashed near your house. My dad is a ground engineer in PIA so i called him and he told me everything. (Hes in charge of the planes that fly internationally and this was a domestic flight). The plane actually nicked the house of my sister’s fiancée taking the upper part of the house with it and then crashing 2 or 3 houses away. Truly a horrific accident. RIP to those who lost their lives on that day 💔🕊️
You know Peter really means it when he doesn't even say bye-bye at the end of the video. This was such a preventable accident, and it is so mindblowing this was allowed at all (with all the ways that could've been saved).
I was also about to say the same. No bye bye, No suggestions to watch similar videos. Peter had enough of these Pilot's stupidity. Even in the video, you can actually see how uncomfortable Peter gets while explaining what the pilot did.
You're right about everything, but I just want to point out that this WASN'T 'allowed'. Not by anyone but the two (thankfully-deceased) pilots who conspired to send 96 others into the next life unnecessarily. As Mentour says, they broke ALL the rules.
@@meritwolf219 whilst I agree with you in principle this wasn't the first time this pilot and this airline had pulled things similar to this, their regulator had failled hugely to catch them - so it was allowed by the system in practice even if it was "not allowed" acroding to the rules...
@@tomriley5790 You're right. Which means OP was too. Especially since, upon rereading his comment in terms of that understanding, I think he really was saying exactly that. Thank you.
"He will be impressed what we've done!" No my friend, the whole world will have a hard look at you and train everyone to not do what you did! Rest in peace all those who lost their lives! 😢
Most of it, I could at least see some level of, okay maybe I can see how that makes sense in their minds, even if it's obviously wrong. But when the copilot did everything but announce an aborted landing and the pilot responded by taking over the controls (at around 34:00-36:00), that really just made me throw my hands up. How can you be so arrogant that, even when your partner-in-flying has called off the attempt and you have to basically banish him from flying the plane to keep on track, you don't realize how foolish you're being? After that, nothing that happened surprised me, including the blatant and indefensible defiance of ATC instructions.
I'm listening, BUT not watching this YT video at about 25 minutes. Lined up with the ground for an arrival, not a landing. Splat... The radio glidepath system gave 'em false confidence, but could that slope have even looked right? Were they ALSO not looking out of the front window? YT video is at 37 minutes and I can guess what happens next... Too fast. OMG EDIT: Now at 3k feet again? I must have missed something. I thought they'd be crashing on the runway, but they took off again?
Not so long ago I ended up almost laughably high into an airport called Sandnessjøen. I asked for an orbit and still had to scramble to get it down. The thought of trying to continue the approach straight in gives me chills
I remember this one I also remember my disbelief at how many pilots with fake licenses were employed by the airline And I nearly fell off my seat when PIA publicly and proudly stated they were now "strictly enforcing the no alcohol or drugs policy for flight crews" and additionally stating all crews had been reminded "it was illegal to smuggle explosives or firearms in the cockpit" WTF????? RIP to all souls lost
There's a Coffeezilla video on not quite fake but bought licenses and degrees in Pakistan, India, and the wider ME. I'm not suprised that they hired pilots with bogus degrees.
In the digital age where just about any certification can be checked by practically anyone, how is it possible to pass a fake pilot's license? That's truly baffling. Money changing hands = wink & a nod to Captain McLovin?
Not surprised at the fake licences at all - a while back bus driving licencing changed and in my local area large numbers of a certain demographic vanished from the buses.
@@nabieladrian No it didn't. Titanic had a superb crew that followed all the rules. It was unlucky. Normally you would see an iceberg 10 minutes beforehand but the sea was so flat they didn't see any waves breaking against it and it just appeared our of nowhere 45 seconds to impact. They almost made it, the last second of the impact sequence delivered the fatal blow, opening up Boiler Rooms 5 and 6, Holds 1-4 and the Boiler Room flooding, beyond the design specifications to remain afloat. Despite that the ship lasted 3 hours and kept power on until 2:18 AM when the ship broke apart. SS Californian was in range and observed the whole thing, the Captain figuring they must be stopped because of ice, the apparent list and sinking is just the angle they're seeing it from and the rockets must be company signals. So he did not order the radioman to wake up and have a listen. He had of course turned off the radio at 11:30 PM. 10 minutes before Titanic struck the iceberg. They weren't racing either, one boiler room wasn't even lit, they weren't running the engines too hard as they were still new. Also the way Ismay is portrayed in most movies is fantasy. He did not tell the Captain to speed up. All he said that the speed (22 knots) was remarkable for it not even being full power and the that the shipyard (Harland and Wolf) had done a fine job. Lady at the table heard the conversation and noted it in her diary. Ismay also spent two hours helping with the evacuation at one point almost throwing women into the boats who refused to go out into them. Of course the bow submerging was a convincing argument as timw went on. On the second last boat, everyone nearby has gotten in and there was room. He asked if there was no one else and recwived no answer, then stepped into the boat and was never truly alive again, becoming a recluse and falling into depression. Also the Captain altered course South due to the ice warnings and that put them on a collision course with the four million ton berg. 50 slices in the swiss cheese model had to align for Titanic to sink and the ship was never sold as unsinkable. "Practically unsinkable". Big difference. They knew ships could sink. And Titanic carried 20% more boats than regulation demanded, 20 instead of 16.
It is insane how safe planes are. The sheer amount of incompetence and bad luck it takes to damage one, and the sheer amount of damage it takes to break one, makes it seem insane that anyone manages to do it - and yet some people take that as a *challenge!*
Being Arab, hearing my pilot say "we can make it inshallah" woulda had me in a panic attack lmfao. Inshallah does mean "god willing", which to muslims applies to everything since I guess you can't be certain of anything, but we still use it a lot to just mean "hopefully/probably", like you asking your mom for a toy and she'd go "insallah" and really mean "nah", which would scare the shit out of me lol.
The fact that the pilots seemed to fully believe that as long as they managed to actually land they wouldn't be in trouble should be an indictment of the whole company
Yes, this is a solid point. Clearly this whole "eff it, lets go for broke" mentality doesn't proliferate in a vacuum. Takes multiple layers of ineptitude to master this kind of arrogant stupidity.
I'm also trying to wrap my head around this. The surviving passengers were definitely mangled and burned badly, but it is pretty amazing that they are alive. I believe a lot more people were injured on the ground and one died, but that's also relatively amazing. I agree that the whole story is absurd from start to finish.
At least 8 people on the ground were injured (reports vary, some saying 25-30 were admitted to hospital for treatment). 1 on the ground died - that wasn't the count of ground injuries. But I agree, the 2 survivors were miraculous.
@@amarissimus29 One of the strange things about this accident is that actually the two survivors were not that badly hurt. One of them walked out of the flaming plane and was treated for burns to the extremities only and was well enough to give interviews immediately. The other passenger survived because his seat was flung away from the plane and away from the fire - he only had a broken arm and some bruising.
@@aesaphyr Yeah sometimes people make it out in such an absurd way, like from the japanese airplane that crashed straight into a mountain and you had ~5 survivors iirc, which is pretty much crazy when you think about the impact force of a full dive plain hitting the ground
I'm from Karachi, and this crash haunted the entire country for a good while. And plus, we didn't even properly know what happened and why a plane of that size just randomly crashed over a highly populated area. No one gave any explanation whatsoever to this crash. But your video was very helpful in this regard to me. Thank you very much! Love from Pakistan! 🇵🇰
fake report / video. it wasn't a pilot fault it was actually ATC's, just completed reading official report, you will find report and on Dawn news too, This is just BS he is talking about
Bro the only reason he is making an explanation video is because of the investigation carried out by our own experts, these all information is available in the report issued this year. if you do not get it, its not our mistake. keep yourself updated so that you may not embarrass yourself by getting impressed by outsiders.
Experts as in who, the taliban, al Qaeda. I dought Pakistan has any experts. The very level of competence of a pilot with fake license, displays how much expertise is involved in developing avionics or trained pilots in that region
I've seen this story recounted now from two or three different sources. One of the additional factors I picked up from elsewhere is the widely held belief about the way PIA was being run at the time: a management with a highly militaristic ethos that just wanted to give piloting jobs to the boys regardless of psychological or technical profile. That supposedly is one of the reasons why PIA was banned from Europe after the crash in 2020. And yet, barely 4 years later, they are deemed to have recovered a good enough reputation to operate out of my local airport (Manchester UK). Can the public really believe that ?
I’m in the trucking industry and I can tell you that this does not shock me time and time and time again I have asked my coworkers to please stick to a standard operating procedure, are still stubborn and won’t do it. I’m pretty sure that this captain had done similar things before and gotten away with it if you keep doing things the wrong way and don’t follow your standard operating procedure that set up by your industry standard eventually you will have problems. It’s very sad that so many people had to die because of this pilot
@@norwegianzoundwhich you enjoy the goods and service that trucking supplies 😐😑 , he was pointing out there are walking twits like the captain in every industry .
I understand why sops are there for truck drivers, but SOPs for pilots are not just necessary but mandatory. I can't believe how pilots showed such ignorance
I does consume extra time. "Next I will explain to you that the chicken crossed the street. Please remember this for later.", "Now I will tell you that the chicken crossed the street, it will be important for the remaining part of the story,." "And then the chicken crossed the street. Do not forget this." "Remember that I told you that the chicken crossed the street?" and so on.
@@tommyrjensen ....it's more like...now at 18:34 and 20 seconds the chicken approached the road slightly ahead and below the normal clearance visual height to see that the road was clear, and, had the chicken learned anything from prior chickens that crossed the road, then what happened next could have been avoided - more on this in a minute - so now the chicken proceeds with his limited vantage of the crossing traffic while at exactly the same time an 18 wheeled semi tractor trailer, pulling 40,000 lbs of fowl in that trailer, has no indication that the chicken would actually step into the road. So, the passenger in the semi, who should be monitoring the sides of the road for any possibility of a chicken, and should be prepared to warn the driver who's job is to drive the semi, was not clearly communicating......... and so on....
Zara Abid, a very beautiful Pakistani model also died in this crash. She was my favorite because unlike other Pakistani models she didn't bleach or lighten hee skin. She stuck with her beautiful tan shade. I remember being insecure about my complexion amd when i saw her on the picture of a suit she was sponsoring i realized she's so beautiful. And that day i loved my skin tone. I lovee watching her model campaigns. R.I.P to her and all the passengers and the flight crew who died in this tragedy. Except the pilots. I have no remorse for them.
I served in the U.S. Army for 6 years as a UAV operator. Definitely have had some operators act this way before. It's a little different when you're not actually in an aircraft but when stuff starts looking odd the stress buildup is all the same.
Even as an inexperienced, instrument rated pilot, some of the decisions made by this flight crew absolutely blow my mind. One of the most important things you're taught when learning engine-out procedures is to maintain a clean configuration until you are certain that you will reach the runway. Of the hundreds of air crash investigation videos I have watched, the negligence and disregard for SOPs by this crew overshadow any that I've seen before.
Hard agree. Mentour does well to hide his disgust at the extreme negligence these two showed... It's a wonder they even made it to the front seats in the first place. RIP to the innocent souls lost.
Even as a non-pilot who has only "flown" a couple of hundred hours in video games, I've immediately facepalmed as soon as the gear drop has been mentioned. That guy didn't just throw SOPs out of the window, but any basic understanding of how an airplane works along with it.
Even as a non-pilot who once played MS Flight Simulator and managed to crash before even getting airborne and somehow accidentally came across this video, I can clearly conclude that these 2 pilots should have stuck to flying paper airplanes, and only with parental oversight.
I have watched 30 of your videos this week, and this is by far the most frustrating one. With 0 real malfunctions, the Captain basically held the passengers and first officer hostage with stubbornness and poor decision making. He believed his skills we're above the need for standard operating procedures. He made not just one, or two, but several horrible decisions to gamble with peoples lives. Pure arrogance killed all of these people. It's frustrating because the first officer tried AND traffic control tower advised him otherwise and he still didn't listen
@@leonfa259I understand what you're saying, but I highly doubt that the affected families are satisfied because the pilots died. No, there's no justice that can be done to even the scales for this tragedy.
Shout out to the 5 licensed professionals who gave him a green light and all the other persons that witnessed his awful nature and kept letting him slide by
I'm a systems analyst by profession and I can tell you there's no use trying to design a system around a person who's determined to hurt themselves or do the wrong thing.
@@kxjx As someone quietly corrected me earlier, the people determined to do the wrong thing weren't limited to the cockpit of this aircraft. Those checks and processes were ALSO administered by such people.
As a nervous flier who flies at least once a year every year since I was 18 (ten years), I'm very thankful for pilots who understand that their jobs are as serious as life or death.
@@olivermahon9509 The actual number of passenger flights per day is closer to 100,000, with about 6 million people flying each day, about 0.1% of the world population.
My family doctor, who was one of the most humble and generous old man I have known, was on that plane heading to see his daughter and grandchildren for Eid. May he rest in peace. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@Rehanali-ib2ohWhy couldn't allah tell the pilots to not fast and be dehydrated while flying a commercial plane? Ramadan is a huge reason behind this crash. PIA had to ban ramadan for pilots after this accident.
It saddens me because the aircraft seemed to behave just the way it should. The pilots really betrayed their passengers, but it's a miracle that there weren't more casualties in the ground. Another excellent video, good sir. Congrats to you and the team.
Generally in 3rd world countries like Pakistan, the death toll is often under reported. Source: I speak from my personal experience in India (also a 3rd world nation).
It was indeed Great Luck. According to what I readed: The crash happened on a Friday, it was therefore a Holiday in Pakistan, many people were not at home but in the Mosque for praying and not many people were on the street, too. The dead person on the ground was a 13 year old Girl which was together with her two sisters in the third floor of their house which was ripped of by the right wing of the Aircraft.
This literally gave me chills.. honestly its not just the pilots.. whichever company we work in, safety is of utmost importance - the fact that no one was pointing out anything shows the culture of safety that is not considered in pia. Its the entire organization’s fault for not putting checks and balances, and not giving disciplinary actions to those who deserve it! Both of them were clearly used to blatant disregard for SOPs.
Kudos to the psychiatrist who had failed the capt in the beginning before he became a pilot and capt. Ignoring the doctors advice had proven to be disastrous in this case. RIP.
@@PsychicPsal1742 It's definitely possible, but I wouldn't say easy for two reasons. One you have to know what signs they are looking for, and some characteristics may be so hard wired into you that acting contrary to them would have a "tell".
The last comment hit hard. I once was playing a online game, just fooling around on a helicopter, when suddenly a bunch of other player jumped in to get a ride to a drop zone. I got so nervous, and nearly crashed. I felt horrible and after that played extra safe, since I feared spoiling the game for the other that were now my passenger, anonymous players... But this feeling was super strong with “virtual lives”;what kind of mind makes you so cocky that you just disregard others safety?
Every time I fire up X-Plane, I try to follow procedure the best I can. Follow the checklist religiously. Keep checking all system indications constantly. Keep checking that RNAV is still functional. That's usually with 150 virtual lives - when I disconnect AP, it's always when I have full visual with the runway, or if it misbehaves and I have to take over. How can someone deem breaking procedure acceptable regardless of whether the aircraft's in danger or not is beyond me. Especially an actual machine with that many actual people on board.
I could answer that but it would be regarded as Hate Speech as i would be blaming what/who the pilot thought was really in control of the plane and their Fate.
Yeah that is why i when there is no other pilots around, fly slow and low (to avoid AA) and touch down in any larger area that is still far enough from the front line that i dont get shot down least when going in. Having experience of getting shot down and killed by over confident pilot who didnt know what they were doing, or pilot messing up fancy move, i dont want that to my passengers and i avoid any fancy moves as those can lead to accident. Also even if game does not register powerlines as objects to crash, i always avoid those, same with any other thing that would realistically cause rotor damage. I agree, how the hell you can even get that cocky to disregard any semblance of checklists, order of operations and communication that is required for safe operation of the aircraft.
This is seriously the best Acft accident investigation series. Realistic insights from a real world pilot and great graphics. Far far better than Nat geo we all grew up watching
I had personally flown aboard Capt Sajjads flight. Was a frequent voice on Lahore ATC during my morning work drive where he was often operating flights to dubai/Middle east. Had a peculiar call outs on the RT so was very familiar. Sad to see what unfolded on this flight and why will always remain a million dollar question
I'm from Karachi and I'm quite a big fan of the channel. This crash occurred near my place of residence at the time and I think my family heard it too. I was wondering why you didn't cover it yet and I'm happy you did. Thank you for providing so much detail about this incident that left me horrified but also confused. Why was the landing gear retracted? Why did the engines fail? I had no idea how poorly the landing was executed. Prayers for all the innocent souls who lost their lives because of the pilots' negligence
@@chukwudiilozue9171 noo, it's explained in the video very clearly - plane hit the surface with no gear down and damaged the engines, so much that oil started leaking, and that ultimately stopped engines.
You bring the gear up in a "go around" to reduce drag. (But NOT a terrain escape maneuver by my understanding). Part of the problem was the the gear going up was never communicated to the pilot who was insisting on landing.
Your videos just keep getting better and better. At this point you're basically doing one hour documentaries, and most people have no idea how much work it takes to produce and edit shows like this. Well done! Keep 'em coming.
The last time i was about to fly with PIA i was at lahore airport and there was a delay due to the aircraft having a technical issue. The crowd of passengers gathered around airport staff to ask what had happend and we were getting assurances from them that all would be ok. The pilot appeared and told us thats fine. When asked if it was safe to fly, he said 'if it wasnt safe to fly, i wouldnt pilot such aircraft.' They said theyd take the plane to the runway for a test flight. All of this instilled 0 confidecne in many of us and we asked for our luggage back. We were given our luggage back, given no refund but that was fine. I then booked with qatar and flew back home. I have never used pia since and never will.
@@milan99czthey had a belly landing prior to this question, the ATC didn't know they were in a grave stall situation at that point and although I am assuming, they were probably checking if they were having landing gear problems and if they needed to prepare the runway and the emergency personnel for a belly landing procedure. The pilots could've just said to the ATC "unable, standby" or something along those lines cause even me, as a general aviation enthusiast face palmed when i heard they put the gear down in a low speed, low altitude stall situation.
Ultimately, the ATC can't tell him what to do, only advise him. It makes sense, the pilots are responsible for the lives on board, but in this case the pilot was completely incompetent.
I'm honestly impressed. The captain had many options to take good advice ("Are you happy with track miles", "turn left..."), and he managed to listen to the one call that ended up killing them ("go around" after already crashing into the ground).
I think it would have overshot the runway definitely and crashed if they had continued trying to stick the landing .. so the 'go around' option would have given them sometime to try another landing and they almost got there maybe 3/4 seconds more and they would have reached the runway! .. Extending the landing gear so early increasing the drag was primary reason crashing!
There’s a facebook post by the captain’s brother-in-law saying that the captain was a “selfless” “respectful person” that “used to always think of others”, “a competent pilot” and a “wonderful human being” and blamed the accident on a “technical issue”. Insane to say the least, not to mention that he gave the fact that he prayed 5 times a day as evidence that he was the best and most respectful
Relatives are never objective sources so I wouldn't hold it against them. It's like when you see a mother of a criminal crying on TV that the cops killed her son, because in her mind there should have been another way and he shouldn't have died. Same here, the relatives of any pilot will be in denial believing that something else went wrong, it couldn't be their relative's fault.
@@allnighter2011 need you to pump the brakes on likening this to a bereaved mother asking that extrajudicial killings not be carried out by police. that was neither relevant nor tasteful. this pilot got himself and others killed by picking a fight with gravity and the planet. cops are human people who make the conscious decision to murder civilians in a way a runway cannot and does not.
Imagine being seated in the rows behind the wings and feeling the thump/hearing the grinding/seeing the sparks flying. "The crew has definitely just flown us into the ground with the gear up, we are all about to die." A terrifying mix of disbelief and fear. RIP to those lost.
As a retired B777/787 TRI & TRE, this presentation leaves me speechless. If someone would have told me this story, with all the details (without me hearing it from the news when it actually happened), I would just have praised that persons wild and vivid imagination. This was one of those accidents that should have never happened if the pilots would have had even the tiniest and slightest amount of skills, professionalism and pride of what they were doing. Totally and utterly unforgiveable to everyone within this airline, who let these pilots in the cockpit and therefore allowed this to happen.
I worked as an instrument fitter and radio mechanic for an airline in Australia for 11 years. Friends often asked me if I was interested in learning to fly. I had enough understanding to know that I was not quick thinking or sharp enough to be a pilot. As Clint Eastwood said, ‘a man has got to know his limitations’.
@@lookintoit4537 he inspires me to stop thinking about retirement. I heard him interviewed about this and he said, “I get up in the morning and keep the old man out.”
Knowing yourself can really improve your life. That's why I don't have and will never have a credit card. I cannot go shopping with future money. It's why my savings is in illiquid money, gold and silver. Those barriers are just enough for me to HAVE to act responsibly with my excess income.
The most shocking thing to me was the pilot's inability or unwillingness to visually assess his altitude. I'm no aviator but think I could have a good stab at noticing the difference between 9000 and 3000 feet above the ground...
The bit that shocked me (I'm no pilot) was putting down the landing gear when they were already about to stall. That's just complete stupidity...there is no need for an operation manual for reference when at stall....nose down (if possible), reduce all drag. They might have made it if they did that is my impression.
Same. I was just gobsmacked at this one. How can someone so well trained (as commercial pilots are) be SO unaware of their surroundings and the events unfolding?!?! I just don't get it.
Brilliantly put together. I know next to nothing about aviation but you had me transfixed the whole time . Every bit as emotionally engaging as any high budget film . But the fact that this really happened makes it even more compelling to watch . A sad but preventable tragedy for sure .
This is absolutely amazing. The sheer number of ways the aircraft TRIED to help save itself and everyone else, is mind-boggling. This Airbus plane was an absolutely amazing piece of engineering. Also mind-boggling is the sheer number of things that had to go wrong for this to happen, from ignored warning signs from failed psych evals, to poor training and oversight by the airline, to repeated warning signs being absolutely ignored, to allowing pilots to fly in a compromised state (fasting), to allowing this psychopath to be CAPTAIN on an airplane when he shouldn't even be allowed to have a driver's license for anything more powerful than a moped! Absolutely insane!
The aircraft and the fucking ATC guy. Dude was literally ordering the pilot to abort the landing. He initially was nice so the pilot can save face, then more insistent, then straight up ordering him to abort the landing. Imagine how helpless you'd feel trying to save people in that situation and them just dooming themselves.
@@Vesorofficial yes traveling but they werent travelling, they were doing their JOB.. but islam does say if its hardship ie clearly pilot have 200+ lives on their hand.. and if fasting impacts their judgement, they SHOULD NOT fast..
No, certain pilots have reached this point which only allowed by certain airlines. If this was rampant we'd be seeing major crashes far more often. I believe culture plays a role also. In some cultures junior officers are either discouraged from offering advice or they are simply reluctant to do so. Also from my understanding Airbus flight systems have a weird way of handling competing control inputs. It is difficult or impossible to for one side to lock out the other. This played a role in the Air France crash after pitot tubes froze over followed by the aircrew stalling the airplane with all about killed when it just fell into the ocean. It was a confusing time but they crashed a perfectly operating airplane.
This video is one of the most shocking in my opinion because I would never ever imagined it would be possible to let such an incompetent crew fly an airliner.
Perhaps not so much on the part of the co-pilot. They often? sometimes? not say anything in part due to deference to an older, more experienced pilot. Especially in societies where there is more reserve and deference to older men.
@@josepha.r5839 as an Asian where deference to elders & authority is a cultural norm, these days we are specifically trained to disregard it when it comes to safety. It depends on the organization & if they have trained their staff well. Cultural norms are well & good but not at the workplace and any impact to safety.
@@nikpalagaming8610 exactly Korean Airlines managed to change this culutre after their crash there's no excuse for Pakistan's airlines and regulators not to have done it.
I am quite impressed by that number 2 engine honestly. There aren't many machines in the world you can smack into the ground, grind down a little off the bottom and it will just go: All right then, I guess I will restart myself because you still need me.
We don't know how much of it was ground down (i.e. missing), it could be only the cowling and the external machinery Petter talked about, but not the actual compressors/burners/turbines part.
@@paulbenkovitz2061 The truck so durable that they had to stop making them. Not because of corporate greed, but because it was too useful for paramilitaries...
Sounded like the major damage was loss of engine oil. Unlike auto engines which usually use friction bearings...jet engines all use real bearings, roller, tapered or ball...so while loss of oil would eventually cause engine failure....it's not as immediate as it would be with an auto type friction bearing. Jus saying.... :^)
As a Pakistani, this BOILS my blood. I have flown with PIA most my life and saw it nose dive into incompetence. To think now this kind of cockpit behavior would have been present in the flights, gives shivers down my spine. Both this and the Air blue disaster were national tragedies. We mourned for our fellow citizens for weeks, even till this day.
Thanks for making detailed video about crash of flight 8303, This crash happened just 4 km from my house, it was a terrible incident 😢.... in those years most of the PIA pilots were flying without licenses (they had fake licenses) and they were recruited in service by corruption and money that's why they didn't even knew about the proper flight operating SOPs and had a very irresponsible behavior
@@jetblackjoy Mmmm not much, little bit strictness in pilot selection and training, this airline is considered most dangerous.... So majority of people don't prefer traveling in it..... Adhesive tape on cabin sealings, broken seats, malfunctions etc. Sadly, Corruption still rules PIA!
@@MUHAMMADBILAL-yz8mc to be honest, I can relate. Judging by what I hear, cadets in my country often have to, in fact, buy their certificates too, because the instructors will never let them pass an exam for free. Those who complain are forced by "unofficial means" to leave the school - one of the only two schools preparing airline pilots. Both are state and, unsurprisingly, their management steals everything which is not welded down, including money to buy spare parts for training planes.
I know it’s not the same thing but I drive heavy freight trains for a living. And when we have problems we consult with fellow staff to solve problems , I never assume that I know everything. There are people at the end of a phone call that have far more experience than me . And it is so reassuring to have that.
It’s not the same thing either but I work as ground crew at an international airport. It actually serves Petter’s airline. I’m forever doing pushback of Ryanair 737s. But I’m never left alone out on the apron. If I’m ever uncertain I can call or radio about three or four colleagues or my supervisors and managers who will immediately respond or come to my aid. And I’ll never be judged or insulted or ignored for calling out for help or to get a second opinion. Nor would it happen if I called for someone out to help me. All is forgiven in the name of safety in aviation. Or that’s how it’s supposed to work. It’s the same thing with accidents no matter what damage you do and you report it we don’t get punished. Retrained and requalify so we don’t fear losing our jobs then failing to report it. Heck we’re neither pilots nor engineers but if we wander past an aircraft and we spot something that looks broken, damaged or just “wrong” and we report it then that aircraft is grounded automatically until it’s been checked by an engineer or pilot. In practice this just means a few minutes because engineers and pilots are always onsite. It’s why incidents like this are so shocking to us. We’re constantly drilled and pushed about safety. We’re reminded often that even for us on the ground, our lives depend on follow the rules. We’re told “The rules are written with the blood of those who come before you. Be careful when you decide to break them for your blood might be what the next rule is written with.” I’ve never forgotten it and I immediately call out any colleagues who don’t.
What an absolutely infuriating story. I feel terrible for that first officer; he seemed to be trying to do the right thing at every stage of the approach. He suggested they do an orbit (denied by hotshot captain); he put the gear up when it was obvious they weren't going to make the landing (ignored by hotshot captain); he made the only radio calls that weren't blatantly lying about their situation (when he wasn't just saying what hotshot captain told him to say); his control inputs seem to indicate that he was trying to abort the approach at every possible opportunity. By the time he finally worked up the courage to actually SAY something ("take off sir!"), he was giving the wrong advice. Tragic example of why it's so important that junior employees are instilled with the confidence to speak up when they KNOW something or someone is wrong, even when it means going up against a senior employee.
The problem is jr. employees do NOT KNOW when something is wrong. They think something is wrong, but the sr. employee keeps indicating they are fine... That is when jr employees go into passive behaviour until the last moment.
@@mandrews1245 Sometimes they do. Sometimes they are very well trained, and they indeed know things, but don't dare to tell or intervene. Sometimes they notice things that are missed by the experienced professionals because those have learned from their experience that certain things are not worthy to be checked, because they never fail/are never wrong. Except when they are. I have to tell that I don't fly by profession, but I work in a field where mistakes do have consequences. I am always eager to hear what the newcomers say. Yes, 9/10 are meaningless and unimportant. (This is an opportunity to teach them.) But the remaining 10th is a point of view that no one in the current team has, and their insight and ideas can prove to be very useful.
This is horrific. The number of failures by this flight crew is shocking, and a big part of me was wondering why the FO was letting things continue as they were (and I know there's a lot to be said for power imbalances and also for following orders), but learning how poor this company's monitoring of it's pilots was, this probably wasn't the first time (or anywhere close) that he'd seen pilots disregarding SOPs and safety regulations. Unfortunately, people are as capable of terrible behaviour as we are of amazing behaviour, and the company culture here allowed poor attitudes and behaviours to thrive. Those poor passengers, inhabitants, and ATC controllers. Things like this should never happen, but the fact that it happened in 2020, despite all we've learnt and improved about safety is just awful. Thank you for presenting this with your usual grace and clarity Peter.
One could see the FO not wanting to be the inexperienced new guy who comes out of training ready to teach the presumably wiser veterans their trade, but there must have been hundreds of FOs and other close observers who saw at least a little of the captain's flouting of rules and standards over 30 years and let it go. That's institutionalized apathy supporting the natural human desire not to trigger an unpleasantly volatile personality.
The passiveness of the FOs is actually a pretty big problem. I know of at least half a dozen crashes where something has happened to the captain and the FO just doesn’t seem to have the balls to challenge the erring captain or junior take the damn controls with a firm “my aircraft” and fly to safety… even when they know they’re in danger. Truthfully I don’t understand how it keeps happening. On an instinctive level I just don’t understand how it happens. Why the survival instinct doesn’t kick in.
I was watching a flight video of a qualified and professional A320 crew. One thing the captain said stood out to me in the approach briefing. He said, "If I make a mistake, it is not intentional and please point it out to me". Crazy how this crew seemed to be more concerned about their personal conversations then critical flight related conversations.
@@mikoto7693 Onr point about the FO was surely his lack of competence. He made a lot of crucial mistakes, too, and probably he knew that he wasn´t the best bullet in the gun. He was not only passive but submissive up to a dangerous level and that was one of his crucial mistakes. Maybe also an intention to keep harmony in the Cockpit played a role for his behaviour, too - both had obviously chatted a long time nicely with each other and now it was difficult for him to switch the "mode" of the conversation. But that´s only specualtion.
Hello Petter! I´ve been watching your videos for many months now, I don't study or work in aviation but the quality of your videos instantly grabbed my attention. Now that I have watched the majority of your aviation accidents/incidents, I find aviation extremely interesting and every time I get to fly on a plane I'm fascinated because now I understand a lot of what is going on. The way you explain the most complex technical systems and devices in such an interesting and understandable way is really impressive. Keep it up💪
It's actually quite amazing. Now, when delays and cancellations happen, i don't get annoyed anymore. I only think, "There is a reason for this, and that ensures my safety, that ensures my life. I hope they don't rush, I hope they know for me, it's okay. "
@@firstnamelastname5474 exactly! thats so good to know. earlier this year my family and i went on holiday and my mum didnt understand one of the procedures (i dont remember which one exactly) and i could explain it to her. Knowing how things work and how safe airplanes actually are is really calming when flying yourself. I think if anything happened to a flight that im part of, i would probably be much more calm than a few years ago, since i know what kinds of extreme situations aircrafts can handle
this story reminded me of that story where a religious guy is stuck on the roof of his house in a flood, and whenever someone tries to rescue him he goes "god will save me" until he drowns. Then he asks god why he didn't get saved and god says "I sent you two boats and a helicopter." The ATC here was the voice of god. And the pilot rejected every single life saving order he was being given. Such is the ego of man.
I remember this story fondly as a university student being recruited to a fraternity. It was told by an elder fraternity member to the possible neophytes during one of the recruitment dinner events.
This should be a case study in all the Pilot training schools on how not pilot should behave/act. This is nothing but criminal negligence. Pilot was warned by machines, ATC and got suggestions from his first officer. Pilot's ego to prove he is superior caused this crash.
Credit to Petter for keeping his composure whilst telling such a harrowing story. Thank you ❤️ RIP to the poor souls on board that had to endure this pure insanity.
This is the first time I've heard him struggle to maintain composure. Even going so far as to describe the actions as "incompetence." And I don't blame him. The blatant disregard for....rules, regulations, safety, everything. It's astonishing. And for what? What reason did the captain have for these decisions?
Utterly terrifying. Completely with you on the anger, Petter, this entire story from start to finish was completely unacceptable. Such an unnecessary waste of lives. Thank you for telling the story.
Former flight student here. The visuals of the runway at that crazy high angle are a nice touch. I remember what a runway actually looked like at a proper glide slope angle and that picture gives me chills. I never saw a runway looking like that and would never want to.
@@hernerweisenberg7052 That's 3° on top of only a 3° 'standard' glideslope, so it's doubling the angle. Since you're already dealing with hellacious foreshortening, well, this won't double the apparent length, but it may stretch it by half or more. And if you're in the cockpit and paying ANY ATTENTION AT ALL to your instruments, you might just notice that 13° down-angle. That's a HUGE difference.
Wow! First time watching this particular incident/ video and as a non pilot with zero real world experience, what shocked me most, was I have more decorum and professionalism flying the Airbus in Flight Simulator than these pilots. Massive respect to those pilots who fly with a sense of vigilance, responsibility and integrity.
I’m a civilian and this angers me beyond disbelief. I can only imagine how devastating this must be for pilots to watch or for Petter to report. Just….wow.
It makes us ordinary passengers a bit wary of flying. I was on an internal Nigerian flight, when it landed flames and sparks came out of a wheel when the captain applied the brakes. The typical African attitude to maintenance is "It's working. Therefore nothing needs doing".
And the person killed on the ground was a 12-year-old child who was working as a maid. "A child maid", ffs. She had 60% burns; her sisters had over 70% burns - they survived, she did not. It's heartbreaking.
A terrifying degree of incompetence in the cockpit- not to mention whatever regulatory body was responsible for training and licensing both of these idiots. There were so many nails in that "coffin" there would have been no wood left.
After that accident there was a crackdown with regards to pilot licenses: PIA grounded a bunch of pilots, fired some of them and the Civil Aviation Authority in Pakistan stopped licensing pilots altogether for a while.
One of the worst airlines I’ve experienced worldwide. Unfortunate events and tragic for the loss of souls. Thank you for the wonderful reconstruction and explanation.
Unlike other crashes, this crash is 100% on the captain and first officer. NO EXCUSES. Clear day, No Air traffic due to covid lockdown, no malfunctions, how can you fumble it so bad. It is appalling to have such selfish people among us
Well, the fact, for one, that they managed to become a captain and first officer respectively does say a lot, as does the fact that other pilots had non-genuine licences...
Hi Petter, I really liked the sentiment at the end of the video. Its accidents like these where we are reminded that people who allow others like the Captain to fly, share responsibility for the lives of those lost passengers. "If you're an examiner, these are exactly the type of traits that you and I are entrusted with keeping out of the cockpit".
As a Pakistani, I advocate for the complete dissolution of PIA. Given the state of affairs across the country, I harbor no trust in any government-run institution. It's as if we're operating the entire nation like these pilots. Witnessing such incompetence fills me with immense anguish and despair.
you have my compassion, especially because there are so many pakistanis good people who would have deserved a better society. I know Pakistan from two journeys. In my opinion it lacks in basical fields. I saw women working in the fields while their men were sitting in the village for a chat and a drink.
How is this airline still allowed to leave Pakistani airspace?! Every country should basically regard every PIA plane as a probable disaster, a flying ticking timebomb bomb, essentially. The fact that this hasn't happened before is entirely thanks to the amazing engineering of planes, since PIA clearly doesn't care about their pilots' qualifications, skills, ability to do the job, or ability to follow SOP!
Thanks for making this, this one is a bit close to my heart since I flew to Pakistan on Qatar Airways in March 2020, before the government introduced a lockdown. What followed was all airlines being banned from flying in / out of Pakistan, except Pakistan Airlines itself. We spent a fortune to get a flight with them back home, but when we arrived at the airport on April 7, we found out that our plane was "delayed for a couple of hours". Fast forward 24 hours and we were all stuck at the airport gate, watching our deserted 777 on the stand, with no sign of the crew. PIA's pilots (part of the PALPA union) had decided to strike, leaving us stranded in the airport at the gate. They striked due to working conditions and harsh quarantine procedures. As passengers, we were desperate to get back home so all the flights were masively over priced, highly limited and packed full of people. The reason I mention this is because, PIA refused to tell us what the delay was, they tried to hide it as a technical problem, while they negociated with the pilots. When the pilots finally agreed to fly us, it had been 15+ hours since their original departure time and I couldn't help notice the tired crew turning up, to me it seemed like they had not rested before this 8 hour flight back to the UK. PIA decided to do an aircraft change, so they moved us from one gate to the other, to make it look like the original aircraft was technical. But as an aviation enthuisast, I was already very well aware of the strike situation. During my time stranded in the airport, I spent a lot of it walking between gates and watching many of the deserted A320's on stand, they were not going to fly anytime soon as lockdown had just started. One of them was this aircraft in question. When we left Pakistan, our 777 was an ex vietnam airlines aircraft in a terrible state. The flight was packed full, the screens were unusable and just displayed "Vietnam Airlines", there was a vivid smell of damp in the aircraft and no in flight map for the 8 hours, so we didn't know where we were in the world. Even drinking water on that plane was a disgusting experience. Which is a shame as the 777 is my favourite aircraft. Getting out of the plane in the UK, I noticed the aircraft had loads of paint missing from the front, clearly some damage through hail / weather / poor paint job and another sign of the state of this airline.
@@Snailryder Yep, I do and I have. Though I'm not going to Pakistan not for this reason but because of unsafe infrastructure like rainwater storm drains that are also used as household drains aswell as people throwing trash in them and it being excessively wide is a recipe for disaster which happened to me. I fell in one when I was learning motorcycling. It was very deep
Everytime I watch one of these videos, I can’t even begin to imagine how the passengers are reacting to these situations. This is unimaginably scary and I’m very grateful to every pilot that has gotten me to where I need to go safely
Firstly, I am super thankful to Mentour pilot for this video. I myself am from Pakistan. And I can clearly remember the day when we were watching TV and this came in the news. It was horrible but also it got me thinking, how could a perfect aircraft crash like this. I love your videos and have gotten a passion for aviaton thanks to you. I tried looking the accident on the Internet but I seemed to understand nothing. I asked you to make a video on this in the previous video. Thanks alot it really cleared everything. Hopefully in the future I will do my best to become a great part of aviaton. Maybe a pilot maybe not, none the less my passion for aviaton will keep me close to it.
I remember when it happened and reading all of the initial speculation on the pilot forums - what could cause an approach like this and could a flight crew really land with the gear up? It was so far-fetched that people were looking for all sorts of other explanations. As the footage and other information came out, it became apparent that this was an accident without precedent, something so unheard of as to be genuinely shocking. We're often confused or shocked by pilots' actions (or lack thereof) in fatal accidents, but this amount of negligence and blatant disregard for the rules by the flight crew still absolutely baffles me. I feel sorry for the co-pilot; while not without blame himself, CRM in certain airlines is seriously lacking, and deference to the pilot and his poor decision making definitely played a part here. Great video! Thanks.
@@MarinCipollina I pretty much completely blame the captain. He even took control of the stick without telling the co-pilot. If he hadn't done that the co-pilot would have saved the plane.
This brings to mind an anecdote from many years ago. Back in the early to mid 2000s I was on a United flight from SFO to London. My seat mate was a flamboyant South Asian kid bedecked with flashy Gucci accessories and with a penchant for listening to loud music over his headphones. When meals were served, he began complaining about the food, saying he was going to "write a complaint about this phucking airline!" He declared that he'd learned his lesson, and from now on he was going to stick to flying Emirates, as was his usual habit. This got us to talking about aviation in general, and I remarked that I'd recently heard on the radio that Pakistani International was the world's worst airline. "That's true!," he exclaimed."Never fly phucking PIA man! You want to die? -fly phucking PIA. Don't believe me? ask my father, he will tell you; he is the vice-president of phucking PIA!"
This was a hard watch for me. This plane crashed in the neighbourhood behind our house and, we could see the flames and chaos from our roof. Later, when the manifest was published in the hours following the crash, we found out that our dearest childhood friend had been on it along with his wife and 2 little children. Im truly shocked by the issues revealed in this video. It should never have happened. I hope PIA learns from this in earnest. Thank you MentourPilot for making the video.
Holy shit. The fact that there's a more-than-zero percent chance of getting stuck onboard a plane with pilots like this is downright terrifying. While these videos are often quite tragic, the educational value (along with Petter's superb presentation) almost always keeps them entertaining. This is the first time I actually felt angry throughout the majority of the video -- simply because it was difficult to comprehend how the f*ck a *certified pilot* could possibly make so many catastrophically horrendous and utterly inexcusable decisions with total disregard for the safety and well-being of the nearly 100 passengers aboard his plane. What an absolute nightmare. My sincere condolences to the victims' families and loved ones. Thanks again for another phenomenal demonstration, Petter. Your accident analyses are truly unique in both quality and insight. I think I speak for everybody when I say we greatly appreciate the time and effort you put into providing this outstanding content for us. Please, keep up the remarkable work, my friend!
This guy literally appealed his rejection on the grounds that "when I applied, the standards were lower" And remember: there are people actively trying to lower standards because muh dei.
FYI there is a high probability that the pilot had a fake License or used unfair means to become a pilot. His father said in an interview that his son was studying Law when one day out of the blue his son told him that he'll become a pilot and join PIA. His father asked him how is it possible ? to which his son replied"I have made some arrangements .( Probably cheated in qualification exam or used fake degrees)
@@deepakthirdreich Right?! So ever since I saw this video I realized that this guy literally did not know how to fly the plane. Zero. Zilch. He literally was relying on the autopilot to do all the work and the day he had to turn it off is the day he crashed the plane!! Scary af
You're right on point. This video has given me an in-depth idea of how pilots were flying. I lost two of my friends, one with their entire family, including two kids and a wife, losing their lives. My condolences to all the families for the loss of everyone onboard. May God give them peace and the highest place in heaven.
The incident occurred very close to my home, and it left us all in shock. At first, I harbored a sympathetic feeling towards pilots, especially upon hearing the composed final communication from the captain to the air traffic control. However, upon reviewing the complete report, my emotions shifted to devastation. It's now daunting to consider traveling with PIA, considering how many similar instances might still persist within our system. RIP poor souls.
Unfortunately, this incident, and the other recent crash, only points toward a very corrupt and inadequate safety system and training program within PIA. Probably enhanced by an equal high corruption rate in the Pakistani society as a whole (not surprisingly considering the salary ratings in that society, but still no excuse either and a very damning circumstance in generel). And unfortunately, it's not just the 2 crashes with their loss of so many lives that should never have been cut short in this tragic manner. I have no count on the many irregularities I have come across over the years when it comes to PIA, many of them potentially lethal with only a miracle preventing that lethal outcome. And I'm not even in the actual aircraft safety community where these incidents are best known. I also know that the media coverage in Pakistan is not as available as in the western world, but I still cannot fathom why the generel population of Pakistan will still even want to fly with PIA at the present level of safety, let alone the possibility of reparations for injured or relatives of fatal casualties being available in Pakistan. This is one air line that should be so feared that nobody would want to even see their aircraft on the tarmac of an airport. And quite apart from all this, which unfortunately is mostly harmful to any common Pakistani traveller, there is the inevitably delayed action on the part of the international regulatory system of aircraft safety as a whole to deny PIA access to the airspace, again sadly putting many people of Pakistan in totally unwarranted lethal danger, augmented by the support to PIA by the Pakistani government in some misguided sense of national pride overriding the safety of the population as a whole. And that is inexcusable in my humble view., to the point of actively taking part in organized premeditated manslaughter every time a life is lost because of it. Sorry. It sounds like I'm degrading the whole Pakistani society and all the people there across the board. I'm not. I'm sorry that you have to live in such circumstances. Nobody should have to do that.
@@Jens-Viper-Nobel Contrary to this you should know pakistanis as a WHOLE seek to avoid pia as much as possible. The only time you’ll see anyone bothering to use them is affordability purposes. I had to take a flight with pia last year and I can’t tell you how many people across friends and family chided me as to why i would ever use them 🤣 turned out to be a pleasant flight in this case
@@Jens-Viper-Nobel I hear you. It sounds like there are some deep-rooted issues regarding independence and democracy in Pakistan. The prevalence of corruption and a bossy nature in the workplace seems to be widespread, making it challenging for individuals to thrive, especially those pursuing careers like becoming pilots. It's unfortunate that the definition of leadership there is different and reflects a toxic environment. Hopefully, with time, the promising generation can bring about positive change.
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YAY a new video by Mentour Pilot.......... 54 minutes?????????
YAY a new 54 minute video by Mentour Pilot!!!!!!!
Where's my popcorn???
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I don't even want to think about the other PIA pilots with faked pilot licenses when this pilot was actually an inspector supposed to keep pilots in line.
Unbelievable. And nevertheless the reality.
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While they may have had a massive security issue a few years ago, they seem to have a completely clean and non-controversial record moving on from that.
Much better than betterhelp.
Remind me to never fly Pakistan Air. Substandard hiring practices, obvious excursions from the SOP's, low intelligence narcissistic pilots, and First Officers who clearly are unfamiliar with CRM procedures. What a bunch of idiots.
I mean, in the midst of the tragedy, the fact these guys could do every single thing wrong and still have multiple chances to land safe, even late in the situation, is pretty remarkable.
It’s a testament to how safe the planes. Every single one of these planes can be programmed to fly and land themselves. Everyone would have been safer had these guys taken off, gone to sleep and then returned for the auto landing (you can’t program an auto landing at just anytime).
Can't believe they overflew an alternate militery runway. NO situational awareness.
everything in the world was trying to make them land safely but they somehow managed to crash into a residential area, it's an absolute miracle. whoever approved this guy's psychological report needs to be in prison
@@ishaan863psych report: you are not a good fit to be a pilot, you have no regard for authority and aren’t very smart
Pilot: I’ll show you! I’m going to disregard your authority by seeking a second opinion
🙃
The country is running in the same way any time they will be a crash landing of the economy, political institution , educational institution, religious institution and militant groups will be running amok
Bossy and overbearing with below average intelligence is a terrible combo.
Yes.. unfortunately those traits come together quite often
Sounds like the average politician...
@@AB-80X🤣🤣🤣
Not so bad if your a street cleaner, more so if your a pilot responsible for hundreds of lives!!!!
@@MentourPilot That's what I was going to say. Often people cover up their lack of competence with abrasive arrogance so they not not questioned. I have seen this happen in the computer security industry. When I encounter such a person on my team or in a rank above me, I start looking for a new job.
Thank you for covering this. My university lecturer Sarah Polani sadly died in this crash with her family, flying home after covid shut down everything. RIP Sarah you are greatly missed.
I can't like your comment, but you have my condolences.
PIA = Please Inform Allan
@@meritwolf219 what does liking a comment exactly mean? Does it mean you like what's being explained or you agree with the sentiment of the statement? This philosophical questions has never been answered throughout human history.
@@Alpha-CheenoAt the snack bar?
@@MultiChrisjbOf course it's been answered, it's individuality. It Is.
I can’t believe you’ve managed to produce a nearly 55-minute long video without deeming the crew “dumbfucks” even once, kudos for that, it must have been terribly difficult.
😮💨👍
Or dumbasses
That's not the point for videos like these. Why an accident happens and how it could have been done better and safely is way more helpful (at least for me or people wanting to learn stuff) than "Plane went down coz crew is dumb fk" get it?
@@railshot888 You've entirely missed the point of his comment.
He's not saying that the point of these videos is to call the pilots dumb. He is saying that even with all Peter's professionalism, it would still have been very difficult to not call these pilots dumb, because let's be honest this was an astonishing display of stupidity and bad airmanship by the pilots.
Some things are so egregious that they can take even the most polite and courteous person to the brink of calling you dumb.
He would be needlessly accused of racism, he as a European, knows how cancerous liberals can be.
"Negative sir, we are comfortable we can make it. Inshallah" - As an Arab speaker with no prior knowledge of this particular incident, the second he said Inshallah, I knew that this flight was doomed. Inshallah literally means "if god wills it" and is something you never want to hear, especially from a cockpit in in the context of the pilots of PiA8303. It can be be used as a courtesy, but in in this context it is essentially a "jesus take the wheel" moment. In a cockpit there is no "inshallah" unless you have lost all engines and all controls.
I noticed that as well. It's not something you'd say if you were confident that you had everything under control.
They should have spent more time flying the plane instead of asking God to.
Regardless of culture and religion, certain mindsets should never be allowed near technologies below 1000 years old
Peaceful Islamic Sharia Society & Sunnah Hadith Islamic Theology are stark realities of this world.
I guess the secular version of what you said is "Here, hold my beer."
I usually find the animated pilots sitting quietly doing nothing to be a bit weird, but it seems pretty accurate in this case.
I noticed that too . Kind of funny .
I like the animated pilots 😂
This story gets more unbelievable and more horrifying as it goes on. Those guys weren't in a fit state to drive a bus, let alone fly an Airbus, disregarding all sense and procedure and squabbling silently over the controls. Who could blame the aircraft's warning systems for not prioritising the warnings appropriately when the pilot appeared to be trying to crash the plane?
To think that if they had simply realised that the gear was still up on their initial approach, they might still have been able to land the thing.
They weren't in a fit state to drive a /Go-Kart/. |:{
@@SeamusDonohueEVEOnline I doubt their ability to walk 😆
Probably he had done this before, if he'd made this landing it would probably have happened on a subsequent flight....
I know, this seemed like a movie plot, totally unbelievable stuff.
the only thing wrong these guys didn't do was
Zafar Masuod, one of the only 2 survivors of this flight, gave a speech at my graduation/convocation, more than 2 years after the crash, in December of 2022. He talked about a lot of things but one thing that really stood out for me was basically "If you're alive, you're alive for a reason, use this opportunity to spread love, and lift each other up".
Shoutout to every pilot that got me where I needed to go still alive.
😂 I know right. I'd be so pissed off if I died because of this kind of incompetence
Pakistani pilots are the biggest joke I’ve heard in aviation
Cheers mate 😊
Shoutout to you're mom's home cookin
hey this guy got 2 people there alive...just a taxi ride from the airport after probably a long stay at a hospital.
Im from Karachi where this crash happened. It was so tragic. This was the second major crash in Pakistan in recent years and both of them happened because of the Captain's arrogance. Unfortunately corruption runs very deep in our country and that's one of the reasons why people are where they shouldn't be at all.
As someone also from Karachi, I can't exaggerate how much I agree with this. A truly disheartening and disappointing incident.
I was happy when I heard they were selling PIA to a foreign operator
There's a cultural issue too. People in a position such as Captain tends to be arrogant, brash and so on. As we would say in the west. That man was outside of therapeutic reach. Doubt this man was flying due to corruption, I think he was flying because he was bullying his way ahead, and so are many others.
I've known others from Pakistan, who have complained about the corruption and arrogance as well. Yet some of these complainers continue lying and stealing inside the USA. This does not bode well for the Pakistani people.
It would have been so easy to blame it ALL on the pilots, but Petter in his final round-up lashing, outspokenly denounces malpractices, lassitude and negligence in the entire chain of responsibility. 🤬
massive respect for Engine no 2.. That piece of engineering kept on working despite such abuse..
The flight was good and functioning well but not the ones operating it
Honestly, both engines put up a great fight, but man, engine 2 getting hit so hard it failed, then managed to restart itself and keep working with oil gushing out of it is insane.
I am not a pilot and I was (practically) SCREAMING "Go Around! Geez!".
Even when driving a car, if anything goes even slightly wrong before turning (i.e. seeing the turn too late), I accept my fate and let the GPS reroute me. It just seems so obvious that trying to make a bunch of decisions and bend the rules to turn at the last second is a great way to risk fucking it all up. A bunch of people have almost hit me doing it.
So I was going INSANE this whole video.
I’ve only flown once and I think I could have done a better job
@@Jormungandr633 I have no idea who you are or what your experience is, but I have to agree with that assessment. I think Helen Keller could have done better... even without her seeing eye dog.
To me, that is one of the most horrifying incidents I can recall. There were so many opportunities to avoid it. That crew was consuming slices of Swiss cheese faster than they could be produced.
Yeah. Unfortunately this wasn't a case of the Swiss cheese lining up, it was the pilots devouring all the cheese until none was left.
They were fasting, they skipped the cheese entirely
They were fasting tho. They declined that light snack remember...?
Did they even bother to get landing clearance? For the first landing.
@@ahgflyguyI don't think so
No weather, clear sunny day!!! No equipment malfunctions!!! That captain and the people that put him in that seat are beyond despicable!!!
Yeah .. its quite unfortunate
Well of course it's happened in Pakistan, where else it could have happened
@@H0ttabych 🙆♂️
@@H0ttabychHere. Oops knows no national boundaries.
Beauty of islam
I travelled PIA once and I vowed to never to do it again. The worst airline I have ever travelled with. The plane was literally falling apart. The side panel of the plane next to the window seat had come away, exposing wires which were taped over several times. When I mentioned it to the crew he replied "Start praying that we get there!" What sort of a response is that? I tried to kick it back into place but kept popping off.
The gentleman sitting next to me asked the crew for some water and the crew member said, "You won't die without it!" We were mortified. The crew were so busy flirting with each other that the passengers didn't exist for them.
The staff were dismissive, rude, arrogant and damn right lazy. I'm not surprised on the outcome of PIA. They are a liability. Awful airline.
What happened to you is appalling
“You won’t die without it.” Professionals. They saved your guys’ lives by not giving him any water 😂
Fun anecdotes but nothing to do with the air safety case of the video
@@Jacob-2796 I apologise. I didn't realise you were after an analytical analysis. Please accept my apologies for wasting your 1 minute of reading time.
Agreed
The animated pilot/co-pilot sitting with their hands in their lap is a great representation of their actions during this horrible event. Jist just sat there and didnt do anything they were supposed to.
I have been an Airline Pilot for almost 20 years and this must be the absolute worst case of total incompetence, gross neglience, and sheer disregard for EVERY basic flying rule and procedure. During the description of the events, my incredulity kept rising to new levels that i didn't think were possible. This represents everything aviation should never be.
This is how Pakistan operates in every single aspect, from the government down to every citizen at a personal level . No procedures are followed, no integrity is maintained, no one's held accountable especially if they have money and most of all, no responsibility is taken. How about this, vehicle safety regulations were so outdated that cars from the 80s (suzuki mehran) were sold up until 2018 basically unchanged and I'm not exaggerating, it was the exact same 80s car with slightly updated exterior lights. Very famous for fatal accidents and it cleared the safety regulations all this time. Even after the update to the regulations in 2018, the newer version of that suzuki is still incredibly unsafe and basically a metal of death now with some questionable airbags in the front. Even today many cars made before 2018 (including moderately expensive ones like honda civics) roam the streets causing unnecessary deaths and injuries due to almost non existent safety equipment.
I too am an airline pilot, just approaching the end of a 37 year career. This appalling and completely avoidable accident will keep me and my family from ever travelling with this carrier. If this chain of events had been the plot for an aeroplane disaster movie, it would have been rightly criticised for being wholly unbelievable. Nobody could possibly be that arrogant, ignorant or stupid!
@@phee3D I can't agree more being a Pakistani. Human life has no value and people make shit excuses even in life threatening serious scenarios like these 😢
@@paulcurran5117 We Pakistani people avoid travelling with this airline. There's too much corruption in PIA and they are not willing to change or do anything about it. There was a video on YT years ago which showed a passenger complaining about a whole in the ground near his seat. Another about water falling from the roof of a passenger's seat and the crew was like, sir its raining outside 😶
@@phee3D Not EVERY aspect. ATC was a champion who tried to save these idiots from themselves and did very little, if anything, wrong. That's what keeps me from being totally black pilled about Pakistan's flying culture.
"He (the ATC) will be surprised at what we have done."
- Captain of PIA flight 8303
(Before surprising whole world including themselves)
And they applied max manual braking when on the ground.
Indeed… horrific
RIP everyone who lost their lives due to pilot stupidity.
I feel very sorry for ATC. They tried to prevent the crash, only to be ignored by the pilots. It must have been a terribly helpless feeling.
@@MentourPilot I know they did almost everything wrong, but watching 43:11, a single --two-- too low gear warning before touch down could've saved them.
They say if the system warnings go off long enough and you listen carefully, you’ll hear it say “You’re fucked” instead of “Pull Up”
It's too low to rain.
@@Dragon-Believer reign
I was shaking in my seat listening to the commentary in first 15 mins... It's aircraft, life of 90+ people, an excellent machine of millions of dollars, world class protocols to avoid such disasters.. and yet, such a casual approach from pilots.
And reflecting back to Pakistan's response at the time.... They made then aviation minister scapegoat for making such grave irregularities in PIA and damaging PIA reputation (which in reality might have saved so many such incidents).
My close relative lost his life in this accident, a father of two 8-years old and 5 years old. It makes me angry to see the irresponsibility of the organization and its personnel.
Super Sad. It was unavoidable.
@@MicrowaveCheese33 Did you mean to say "avoidable"?
The long in the tooth PAF mafia needs banning from ever participating in commercial aviation. Too many ingrained bad habits that they refuse to unlearn.
@rzrkami8587 and you are damn right to be angry!
It was super a avoidable.
The original evaluation about this pilot was absolutely correct. This man had no business flying an aircraft.
many of pakistani pilots shouldnt be flying.. this makes me so mad.
Right 😢 God bless that psychologist for trying to keep others safe.
recently there was an investigation done and over it was found that 1/3 of active pilots were found with fraudulent licenses, so yeah theres alot of unprofessionalism accompanied with corruption here.
He is from pakistan.. that's average terrorist citizen.. what do you expect
Unfortunately Darwin law has the same opinion !
This was the most frustrating video I have seen you make. Continuous disregard for procedures. A lack of understanding what stress does to a person. An abandonment of CRM. It makes me want to show this video at our next safety meeting.
I am the facility safety compliance officer for my company. Every rule we have to follow, OSHA, Fire marshal, building permits, etc. exist because of a tragedy. When I see someone make so many errors, someone who knows the rules, I am left angry and shocked too.
This entire flight, start to finish, was a disgrace to aviation. When you are that far off course and receiving orders, something must be wrong in their head to continue.
@@chukwudiilozue9171 I mean it's obvious what's wrong with their heads. At least with captain's.
don't be a weirdo. showing this to your employees would just frustrate them.
The fact that this guy was rejected because he had a confrontational attitude and still got in because he complained to his special contacts too.
@@chukwudiilozue9171that is why I never allowed my wife to use Pakistani airlines.
I lived very near to that crash site and you can even see my house at 52:17. I remember very clearly it was ramadan and it was a friday. It was the last jumma (Friday) of ramadan and i just came home from offering the prayer. As soon as i came home my phone started ringing and my friends and relatives asking me are you okay? They told me a plane has crashed near your house. My dad is a ground engineer in PIA so i called him and he told me everything. (Hes in charge of the planes that fly internationally and this was a domestic flight). The plane actually nicked the house of my sister’s fiancée taking the upper part of the house with it and then crashing 2 or 3 houses away. Truly a horrific accident. RIP to those who lost their lives on that day 💔🕊️
How come you didn't hear the crash yourself?
@@micr0chel i still dont know how. No one in our house did. It was only few blocks away, we shouldve heard it but we didnt.
@@PABLO-jp1ow interesting 🤔Glad you and your family weren't hurt bro
You know Peter really means it when he doesn't even say bye-bye at the end of the video. This was such a preventable accident, and it is so mindblowing this was allowed at all (with all the ways that could've been saved).
I was also about to say the same. No bye bye, No suggestions to watch similar videos. Peter had enough of these Pilot's stupidity.
Even in the video, you can actually see how uncomfortable Peter gets while explaining what the pilot did.
You're right about everything, but I just want to point out that this WASN'T 'allowed'. Not by anyone but the two (thankfully-deceased) pilots who conspired to send 96 others into the next life unnecessarily. As Mentour says, they broke ALL the rules.
@@meritwolf219 whilst I agree with you in principle this wasn't the first time this pilot and this airline had pulled things similar to this, their regulator had failled hugely to catch them - so it was allowed by the system in practice even if it was "not allowed" acroding to the rules...
@@tomriley5790 You're right. Which means OP was too. Especially since, upon rereading his comment in terms of that understanding, I think he really was saying exactly that. Thank you.
@@tomriley5790 Indeed, exactly.
"He will be impressed what we've done!" No my friend, the whole world will have a hard look at you and train everyone to not do what you did! Rest in peace all those who lost their lives! 😢
Impressed is not positive per sé.
He did impress them. But not in a good way
It *is* quite impressive to crash the same aircraft twice in one flight, honestly
He can't rest in peace bro, he got cremated in the incident
Impressive as to how stupid the whole situation became and gross neglect on all sorts of levels.
I almost yelled several times "No, they didn't"... Utter, utter negligence and incompetence.
Most of it, I could at least see some level of, okay maybe I can see how that makes sense in their minds, even if it's obviously wrong. But when the copilot did everything but announce an aborted landing and the pilot responded by taking over the controls (at around 34:00-36:00), that really just made me throw my hands up. How can you be so arrogant that, even when your partner-in-flying has called off the attempt and you have to basically banish him from flying the plane to keep on track, you don't realize how foolish you're being?
After that, nothing that happened surprised me, including the blatant and indefensible defiance of ATC instructions.
I was literally screaming here and very upset 😡 😭
I'm listening, BUT not watching this YT video at about 25 minutes.
Lined up with the ground for an arrival, not a landing. Splat...
The radio glidepath system gave 'em false confidence, but could that slope have even looked right?
Were they ALSO not looking out of the front window? YT video is at 37 minutes and I can guess what happens next... Too fast. OMG
EDIT: Now at 3k feet again? I must have missed something. I thought they'd be crashing on the runway, but they took off again?
Not so long ago I ended up almost laughably high into an airport called Sandnessjøen. I asked for an orbit and still had to scramble to get it down. The thought of trying to continue the approach straight in gives me chills
I remember this one
I also remember my disbelief at how many pilots with fake licenses were employed by the airline
And I nearly fell off my seat when PIA publicly and proudly stated they were now "strictly enforcing the no alcohol or drugs policy for flight crews" and additionally stating all crews had been reminded "it was illegal to smuggle explosives or firearms in the cockpit"
WTF?????
RIP to all souls lost
PIA = Please Inform Allan
There's a Coffeezilla video on not quite fake but bought licenses and degrees in Pakistan, India, and the wider ME. I'm not suprised that they hired pilots with bogus degrees.
In the digital age where just about any certification can be checked by practically anyone, how is it possible to pass a fake pilot's license? That's truly baffling. Money changing hands = wink & a nod to Captain McLovin?
Not surprised at the fake licences at all - a while back bus driving licencing changed and in my local area large numbers of a certain demographic vanished from the buses.
Allan or Allah? @@Alpha-Cheeno
The irony. No gear landing destroyed the engines.... lowering the gear doomed any chance of making the airport. This was great, Peter. Thanks!
typical muslims. Vnonchalance
Yeah, the landing gear crashed them twice
I suddenly see the parallel with Titanic... Both accidents happened with arrogance and the irony took them down.
@@nabieladrian No it didn't. Titanic had a superb crew that followed all the rules. It was unlucky. Normally you would see an iceberg 10 minutes beforehand but the sea was so flat they didn't see any waves breaking against it and it just appeared our of nowhere 45 seconds to impact. They almost made it, the last second of the impact sequence delivered the fatal blow, opening up Boiler Rooms 5 and 6, Holds 1-4 and the Boiler Room flooding, beyond the design specifications to remain afloat. Despite that the ship lasted 3 hours and kept power on until 2:18 AM when the ship broke apart. SS Californian was in range and observed the whole thing, the Captain figuring they must be stopped because of ice, the apparent list and sinking is just the angle they're seeing it from and the rockets must be company signals. So he did not order the radioman to wake up and have a listen. He had of course turned off the radio at 11:30 PM. 10 minutes before Titanic struck the iceberg. They weren't racing either, one boiler room wasn't even lit, they weren't running the engines too hard as they were still new. Also the way Ismay is portrayed in most movies is fantasy. He did not tell the Captain to speed up. All he said that the speed (22 knots) was remarkable for it not even being full power and the that the shipyard (Harland and Wolf) had done a fine job. Lady at the table heard the conversation and noted it in her diary. Ismay also spent two hours helping with the evacuation at one point almost throwing women into the boats who refused to go out into them. Of course the bow submerging was a convincing argument as timw went on. On the second last boat, everyone nearby has gotten in and there was room. He asked if there was no one else and recwived no answer, then stepped into the boat and was never truly alive again, becoming a recluse and falling into depression.
Also the Captain altered course South due to the ice warnings and that put them on a collision course with the four million ton berg.
50 slices in the swiss cheese model had to align for Titanic to sink and the ship was never sold as unsinkable. "Practically unsinkable". Big difference. They knew ships could sink. And Titanic carried 20% more boats than regulation demanded, 20 instead of 16.
@@NikolaiUA The Pilots crashed them twice.
It is insane how safe planes are. The sheer amount of incompetence and bad luck it takes to damage one, and the sheer amount of damage it takes to break one, makes it seem insane that anyone manages to do it - and yet some people take that as a *challenge!*
Don't take it for granted. Humans ultimately decide that
I mean when Ur under pressure and tension, you lose sanity mate........
Im working on my engineering major, my teachers CONSTANTLY tells me that the problems almost ALWAYS on the monkeys operating the machinery
@@legendaryhound5261 if only it caused ppl to lose their ego so manny lives would be saved
Indeed...Planes are made fail safe....It takes intentional sabotage to crash them.
Being Arab, hearing my pilot say "we can make it inshallah" woulda had me in a panic attack lmfao. Inshallah does mean "god willing", which to muslims applies to everything since I guess you can't be certain of anything, but we still use it a lot to just mean "hopefully/probably", like you asking your mom for a toy and she'd go "insallah" and really mean "nah", which would scare the shit out of me lol.
The fact that the pilots seemed to fully believe that as long as they managed to actually land they wouldn't be in trouble should be an indictment of the whole company
Considering that this was a recurring pattern with this captain, it's no wonder that he would think so.
Yes.
Yes, this is a solid point. Clearly this whole "eff it, lets go for broke" mentality doesn't proliferate in a vacuum. Takes multiple layers of ineptitude to master this kind of arrogant stupidity.
It's not without reason that PIA is banned from flying to EU and many other places...
I’m watching it now and reading the comments while Petter goes on about NordVPN and it’s less than six minutes in and I can see where this is going.
The fact that 2 people survived and ONLY 1 person was injured on the ground is a miracle when it comes to this absurd story
The person on the ground was _fatally_ injured, meaning, they died from the accident as well, even if not immediatly.
I'm also trying to wrap my head around this. The surviving passengers were definitely mangled and burned badly, but it is pretty amazing that they are alive. I believe a lot more people were injured on the ground and one died, but that's also relatively amazing. I agree that the whole story is absurd from start to finish.
At least 8 people on the ground were injured (reports vary, some saying 25-30 were admitted to hospital for treatment). 1 on the ground died - that wasn't the count of ground injuries. But I agree, the 2 survivors were miraculous.
@@amarissimus29 One of the strange things about this accident is that actually the two survivors were not that badly hurt. One of them walked out of the flaming plane and was treated for burns to the extremities only and was well enough to give interviews immediately. The other passenger survived because his seat was flung away from the plane and away from the fire - he only had a broken arm and some bruising.
@@aesaphyr Yeah sometimes people make it out in such an absurd way, like from the japanese airplane that crashed straight into a mountain and you had ~5 survivors iirc, which is pretty much crazy when you think about the impact force of a full dive plain hitting the ground
I'm from Karachi, and this crash haunted the entire country for a good while. And plus, we didn't even properly know what happened and why a plane of that size just randomly crashed over a highly populated area. No one gave any explanation whatsoever to this crash. But your video was very helpful in this regard to me. Thank you very much! Love from Pakistan! 🇵🇰
fake report / video. it wasn't a pilot fault it was actually ATC's, just completed reading official report, you will find report and on Dawn news too, This is just BS he is talking about
Bro the only reason he is making an explanation video is because of the investigation carried out by our own experts, these all information is available in the report issued this year. if you do not get it, its not our mistake. keep yourself updated so that you may not embarrass yourself by getting impressed by outsiders.
But what if you are not learning from mistakes?
@@hasssaan99 yes.. you still got some thing to be proud of in this.. so sad..
Experts as in who, the taliban, al Qaeda. I dought Pakistan has any experts. The very level of competence of a pilot with fake license, displays how much expertise is involved in developing avionics or trained pilots in that region
I've seen this story recounted now from two or three different sources. One of the additional factors I picked up from elsewhere is the widely held belief about the way PIA was being run at the time: a management with a highly militaristic ethos that just wanted to give piloting jobs to the boys regardless of psychological or technical profile. That supposedly is one of the reasons why PIA was banned from Europe after the crash in 2020. And yet, barely 4 years later, they are deemed to have recovered a good enough reputation to operate out of my local airport (Manchester UK). Can the public really believe that ?
I’m in the trucking industry and I can tell you that this does not shock me time and time and time again I have asked my coworkers to please stick to a standard operating procedure, are still stubborn and won’t do it. I’m pretty sure that this captain had done similar things before and gotten away with it if you keep doing things the wrong way and don’t follow your standard operating procedure that set up by your industry standard eventually you will have problems. It’s very sad that so many people had to die because of this pilot
Truck drivers are truck drivers for a reason.
@@norwegianzoundwhich you enjoy the goods and service that trucking supplies 😐😑 , he was pointing out there are walking twits like the captain in every industry .
@@norwegianzoundcultural problems from this part of the world. Personal responsibility should be universal to all industries
Sadly I'm not surprised, but this is the reason why Aviation is supposed to be so safe...
I understand why sops are there for truck drivers, but SOPs for pilots are not just necessary but mandatory. I can't believe how pilots showed such ignorance
I love his “this will play an important part later”, and “remember this fact”. Like my old high school teachers prepping us for exams. 🙂
.... those pilots are totally incompetent... what a story
I always pause the video and write down these facts in my notepad, for reference in latter parts of the video.
I does consume extra time. "Next I will explain to you that the chicken crossed the street. Please remember this for later.", "Now I will tell you that the chicken crossed the street, it will be important for the remaining part of the story,." "And then the chicken crossed the street. Do not forget this." "Remember that I told you that the chicken crossed the street?" and so on.
Peaceful Islamic Sharia Society & Sunnah Hadith Islamic Theology are stark realities of this world.
@@tommyrjensen ....it's more like...now at 18:34 and 20 seconds the chicken approached the road slightly ahead and below the normal clearance visual height to see that the road was clear, and, had the chicken learned anything from prior chickens that crossed the road, then what happened next could have been avoided - more on this in a minute - so now the chicken proceeds with his limited vantage of the crossing traffic while at exactly the same time an 18 wheeled semi tractor trailer, pulling 40,000 lbs of fowl in that trailer, has no indication that the chicken would actually step into the road. So, the passenger in the semi, who should be monitoring the sides of the road for any possibility of a chicken, and should be prepared to warn the driver who's job is to drive the semi, was not clearly communicating......... and so on....
Zara Abid, a very beautiful Pakistani model also died in this crash. She was my favorite because unlike other Pakistani models she didn't bleach or lighten hee skin. She stuck with her beautiful tan shade. I remember being insecure about my complexion amd when i saw her on the picture of a suit she was sponsoring i realized she's so beautiful. And that day i loved my skin tone. I lovee watching her model campaigns. R.I.P to her and all the passengers and the flight crew who died in this tragedy. Except the pilots. I have no remorse for them.
Whatever colour you are you are perfect as god intended. Everyone is equal in value.
@@michaelengland7228 Everyone is equal in value, but some are more equal than others.
I served in the U.S. Army for 6 years as a UAV operator. Definitely have had some operators act this way before. It's a little different when you're not actually in an aircraft but when stuff starts looking odd the stress buildup is all the same.
Thank you for your service, sir.
Even as an inexperienced, instrument rated pilot, some of the decisions made by this flight crew absolutely blow my mind. One of the most important things you're taught when learning engine-out procedures is to maintain a clean configuration until you are certain that you will reach the runway. Of the hundreds of air crash investigation videos I have watched, the negligence and disregard for SOPs by this crew overshadow any that I've seen before.
This really is mind blowing. With each minute that passed, each ray of hope was systematically snuffed out by complete incompetence. Unbelievable.
Hard agree. Mentour does well to hide his disgust at the extreme negligence these two showed... It's a wonder they even made it to the front seats in the first place. RIP to the innocent souls lost.
Even as a non-pilot who has only "flown" a couple of hundred hours in video games, I've immediately facepalmed as soon as the gear drop has been mentioned. That guy didn't just throw SOPs out of the window, but any basic understanding of how an airplane works along with it.
Even as a non-pilot who once played MS Flight Simulator and managed to crash before even getting airborne and somehow accidentally came across this video, I can clearly conclude that these 2 pilots should have stuck to flying paper airplanes, and only with parental oversight.
They may have been DEI hires.
I have watched 30 of your videos this week, and this is by far the most frustrating one. With 0 real malfunctions, the Captain basically held the passengers and first officer hostage with stubbornness and poor decision making. He believed his skills we're above the need for standard operating procedures. He made not just one, or two, but several horrible decisions to gamble with peoples lives. Pure arrogance killed all of these people. It's frustrating because the first officer tried AND traffic control tower advised him otherwise and he still didn't listen
And there will never be justice for his actions. Thus is life.
@@void5239 I mean the ultimate justice kinda came for him...
@@leonfa259I understand what you're saying, but I highly doubt that the affected families are satisfied because the pilots died. No, there's no justice that can be done to even the scales for this tragedy.
Exactly. Nicely worded summary
Shout out to the 5 licensed professionals who gave him a green light and all the other persons that witnessed his awful nature and kept letting him slide by
I'm a systems analyst by profession and I can tell you there's no use trying to design a system around a person who's determined to hurt themselves or do the wrong thing.
Don't we put in checks and processes to identify and retrain or remove those people?
@@kxjx As someone quietly corrected me earlier, the people determined to do the wrong thing weren't limited to the cockpit of this aircraft. Those checks and processes were ALSO administered by such people.
@@meritwolf219 yeah, there is something about incentives here
In the future someone who flies like this will be replaced during the flight either by a team on the ground or artificial intelligence.
The task of idiotproofing will ever be doomed by the universe's ability find better and better idiots.
As a nervous flier who flies at least once a year every year since I was 18 (ten years), I'm very thankful for pilots who understand that their jobs are as serious as life or death.
The scary thing about this excellent channel is that Petter doesn't run out of material.
I've thought of that.
No hype, no drama. Just facts and professional opinion.
This episode could easily be three videos.
We're at 1 million flights per day. Probability says stuff will go wrong sometimes. We're really very safe in the sky.
@@olivermahon9509 The actual number of passenger flights per day is closer to 100,000, with about 6 million people flying each day, about 0.1% of the world population.
My family doctor, who was one of the most humble and generous old man I have known, was on that plane heading to see his daughter and grandchildren for Eid. May he rest in peace. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Inna ilayhi raji’un
God bless. Sorry for your loss.
Allah bless him with higher place in Jannah Ameen🤲🏻
This nearly brought tears to my eyes. God ensures that he is resting in peace.
@@Rehanali-ib2ohWhy couldn't allah tell the pilots to not fast and be dehydrated while flying a commercial plane?
Ramadan is a huge reason behind this crash. PIA had to ban ramadan for pilots after this accident.
It saddens me because the aircraft seemed to behave just the way it should. The pilots really betrayed their passengers, but it's a miracle that there weren't more casualties in the ground. Another excellent video, good sir. Congrats to you and the team.
Generally in 3rd world countries like Pakistan, the death toll is often under reported.
Source: I speak from my personal experience in India (also a 3rd world nation).
That was probably the most forgiving A320 ever. They could probably even land it after damaging both engines, but nope. Sheer incompetence. 😢
@@krishnagopalsinha4799 As a person who lives in south asian countries, I can definitley tell they absolutely under reported the deaths.
Peaceful Islamic Sharia Society & Sunnah Hadith Islamic Theology are stark realities of this world.
It was indeed Great Luck. According to what I readed: The crash happened on a Friday, it was therefore a Holiday in Pakistan, many people were not at home but in the Mosque for praying and not many people were on the street, too. The dead person on the ground was a 13 year old Girl which was together with her two sisters in the third floor of their house which was ripped of by the right wing of the Aircraft.
This literally gave me chills.. honestly its not just the pilots.. whichever company we work in, safety is of utmost importance - the fact that no one was pointing out anything shows the culture of safety that is not considered in pia. Its the entire organization’s fault for not putting checks and balances, and not giving disciplinary actions to those who deserve it! Both of them were clearly used to blatant disregard for SOPs.
Kudos to the psychiatrist who had failed the capt in the beginning before he became a pilot and capt. Ignoring the doctors advice had proven to be disastrous in this case. RIP.
And it was a pakistani psychiatrist too. It was the British ones who let him pass. Prolly his cousins or something
@@ninjaabcdeand it's easy to fool psychiatrists with good acting.
@@PsychicPsal1742 It's definitely possible, but I wouldn't say easy for two reasons. One you have to know what signs they are looking for, and some characteristics may be so hard wired into you that acting contrary to them would have a "tell".
The last comment hit hard. I once was playing a online game, just fooling around on a helicopter, when suddenly a bunch of other player jumped in to get a ride to a drop zone. I got so nervous, and nearly crashed. I felt horrible and after that played extra safe, since I feared spoiling the game for the other that were now my passenger, anonymous players... But this feeling was super strong with “virtual lives”;what kind of mind makes you so cocky that you just disregard others safety?
Thanks for sharing your experience! I too can really relate to this.
Just curious what game was that ?
Every time I fire up X-Plane, I try to follow procedure the best I can. Follow the checklist religiously. Keep checking all system indications constantly. Keep checking that RNAV is still functional. That's usually with 150 virtual lives - when I disconnect AP, it's always when I have full visual with the runway, or if it misbehaves and I have to take over.
How can someone deem breaking procedure acceptable regardless of whether the aircraft's in danger or not is beyond me. Especially an actual machine with that many actual people on board.
I could answer that but it would be regarded as Hate Speech as i would be blaming what/who the pilot thought was really in control of the plane and their Fate.
Yeah that is why i when there is no other pilots around, fly slow and low (to avoid AA) and touch down in any larger area that is still far enough from the front line that i dont get shot down least when going in. Having experience of getting shot down and killed by over confident pilot who didnt know what they were doing, or pilot messing up fancy move, i dont want that to my passengers and i avoid any fancy moves as those can lead to accident. Also even if game does not register powerlines as objects to crash, i always avoid those, same with any other thing that would realistically cause rotor damage.
I agree, how the hell you can even get that cocky to disregard any semblance of checklists, order of operations and communication that is required for safe operation of the aircraft.
That ending though: Peter just about managed to hold back his anger, and I am with him 100%!
INEXCUSABLE all the way around.. Nothing more to be said.
Peaceful Islamic Sharia Society & Sunnah Hadith Islamic Theology are stark realities of this world.
@@Alpha-Cheeno stop the copy paste, troll.
@@LathropLdST Copy that. Over.
Also holding back his anger for calling him Peter instead of Petter...
I have noticed that when someone acts like the rules are not relevant, it is because they're totally incompetent.
This is seriously the best Acft accident investigation series. Realistic insights from a real world pilot and great graphics. Far far better than Nat geo we all grew up watching
I had personally flown aboard Capt Sajjads flight. Was a frequent voice on Lahore ATC during my morning work drive where he was often operating flights to dubai/Middle east. Had a peculiar call outs on the RT so was very familiar. Sad to see what unfolded on this flight and why will always remain a million dollar question
I'm from Karachi and I'm quite a big fan of the channel. This crash occurred near my place of residence at the time and I think my family heard it too. I was wondering why you didn't cover it yet and I'm happy you did. Thank you for providing so much detail about this incident that left me horrified but also confused. Why was the landing gear retracted? Why did the engines fail? I had no idea how poorly the landing was executed. Prayers for all the innocent souls who lost their lives because of the pilots' negligence
that must have been horrifying to have a plane crash so close to your home...
When it's at that bad an angle, it's possible the fuel system may not feed the engine right.
@@chukwudiilozue9171 noo, it's explained in the video very clearly - plane hit the surface with no gear down and damaged the engines, so much that oil started leaking, and that ultimately stopped engines.
Because allah wanted so.... Believe in Allah and you will be saved
You bring the gear up in a "go around" to reduce drag. (But NOT a terrain escape maneuver by my understanding).
Part of the problem was the the gear going up was never communicated to the pilot who was insisting on landing.
Your videos just keep getting better and better. At this point you're basically doing one hour documentaries, and most people have no idea how much work it takes to produce and edit shows like this. Well done! Keep 'em coming.
This is way better than any "seconds from disaster" tv show. This is quality and informative.
The last time i was about to fly with PIA i was at lahore airport and there was a delay due to the aircraft having a technical issue.
The crowd of passengers gathered around airport staff to ask what had happend and we were getting assurances from them that all would be ok. The pilot appeared and told us thats fine. When asked if it was safe to fly, he said 'if it wasnt safe to fly, i wouldnt pilot such aircraft.'
They said theyd take the plane to the runway for a test flight. All of this instilled 0 confidecne in many of us and we asked for our luggage back. We were given our luggage back, given no refund but that was fine. I then booked with qatar and flew back home. I have never used pia since and never will.
That ATC guy was the mvp here but that pilot's stubbornness won out over logic and another's authority
He was the good guy there, but sadly the stupid pilots crashed the plane because of him asking about the landing gear
@@milan99czthey had a belly landing prior to this question, the ATC didn't know they were in a grave stall situation at that point and although I am assuming, they were probably checking if they were having landing gear problems and if they needed to prepare the runway and the emergency personnel for a belly landing procedure. The pilots could've just said to the ATC "unable, standby" or something along those lines cause even me, as a general aviation enthusiast face palmed when i heard they put the gear down in a low speed, low altitude stall situation.
One thing I can't seem to understand is why Karachi approach cleared them to land? (34:25)
Ultimately, the ATC can't tell him what to do, only advise him. It makes sense, the pilots are responsible for the lives on board, but in this case the pilot was completely incompetent.
"We can make it, Inshallah".
Allah's not the one flying that plane. Those pilots' dumb asses are.
I'm honestly impressed. The captain had many options to take good advice ("Are you happy with track miles", "turn left..."), and he managed to listen to the one call that ended up killing them ("go around" after already crashing into the ground).
Indeed, exactly.
Two calls. 'Go around', and the later call from the controller about his gear.
These pilots are so incompetent it's actually impressive.
@@cr10001 Yes - and that says much, too.
I think it would have overshot the runway definitely and crashed if they had continued trying to stick the landing .. so the 'go around' option would have given them sometime to try another landing and they almost got there maybe 3/4 seconds more and they would have reached the runway! .. Extending the landing gear so early increasing the drag was primary reason crashing!
There’s a facebook post by the captain’s brother-in-law saying that the captain was a “selfless” “respectful person” that “used to always think of others”, “a competent pilot” and a “wonderful human being” and blamed the accident on a “technical issue”. Insane to say the least, not to mention that he gave the fact that he prayed 5 times a day as evidence that he was the best and most respectful
I don't blame a family member of not blaming the captain, honestly. It's hardly unreasonable to try to justify something like this from a loved one.
Relatives are never objective sources so I wouldn't hold it against them. It's like when you see a mother of a criminal crying on TV that the cops killed her son, because in her mind there should have been another way and he shouldn't have died. Same here, the relatives of any pilot will be in denial believing that something else went wrong, it couldn't be their relative's fault.
I will say as well they may never believe the final report or even believe it
@@allnighter2011 need you to pump the brakes on likening this to a bereaved mother asking that extrajudicial killings not be carried out by police. that was neither relevant nor tasteful. this pilot got himself and others killed by picking a fight with gravity and the planet. cops are human people who make the conscious decision to murder civilians in a way a runway cannot and does not.
thing is, their entire nation is full of scammers and liars so nothing they people can say can be trusted
Imagine being seated in the rows behind the wings and feeling the thump/hearing the grinding/seeing the sparks flying.
"The crew has definitely just flown us into the ground with the gear up, we are all about to die."
A terrifying mix of disbelief and fear. RIP to those lost.
As a retired B777/787 TRI & TRE, this presentation leaves me speechless. If someone would have told me this story, with all the details (without me hearing it from the news when it actually happened), I would just have praised that persons wild and vivid imagination. This was one of those accidents that should have never happened if the pilots would have had even the tiniest and slightest amount of skills, professionalism and pride of what they were doing. Totally and utterly unforgiveable to everyone within this airline, who let these pilots in the cockpit and therefore allowed this to happen.
Is everyone supposed to know what TRI/TRE mean? Don't be so damn pretentious.
@@robinac6897 I was here merely to express my opinion. Not to gain your approval.
How on earth did the two pilots not know they were to high on approach, were they total idiots ?
@@jukkaruoti6243 Your lack of readability has nothing to do with whether I approve of what you type.
Our corrupt system powered by the corrupt military, co-sponsored by corrupt politicians in association with mafias working in every department.
I worked as an instrument fitter and radio mechanic for an airline in Australia for 11 years. Friends often asked me if I was interested in learning to fly. I had enough understanding to know that I was not quick thinking or sharp enough to be a pilot. As Clint Eastwood said, ‘a man has got to know his limitations’.
Fair play to you sir! 🙂
Mr Eastwood understands that unlike almost everyone, age is not a limitation for him.
@@lookintoit4537 he inspires me to stop thinking about retirement. I heard him interviewed about this and he said, “I get up in the morning and keep the old man out.”
Knowing yourself can really improve your life. That's why I don't have and will never have a credit card. I cannot go shopping with future money. It's why my savings is in illiquid money, gold and silver. Those barriers are just enough for me to HAVE to act responsibly with my excess income.
@@SubvertTheState can’t imagine how much money you have saved in interest, well done.
I'm not a pilot, and I totally lost count of the number of times I was shaking my head in disbelief through this video.
Same
The most shocking thing to me was the pilot's inability or unwillingness to visually assess his altitude. I'm no aviator but think I could have a good stab at noticing the difference between 9000 and 3000 feet above the ground...
@@thedubwhisperer2157 yeah pretty hard to miss that hahaha
The bit that shocked me (I'm no pilot) was putting down the landing gear when they were already about to stall. That's just complete stupidity...there is no need for an operation manual for reference when at stall....nose down (if possible), reduce all drag. They might have made it if they did that is my impression.
Same. I was just gobsmacked at this one. How can someone so well trained (as commercial pilots are) be SO unaware of their surroundings and the events unfolding?!?! I just don't get it.
Brilliantly put together. I know next to nothing about aviation but you had me transfixed the whole time . Every bit as emotionally engaging as any high budget film . But the fact that this really happened makes it even more compelling to watch . A sad but preventable tragedy for sure .
This is absolutely amazing. The sheer number of ways the aircraft TRIED to help save itself and everyone else, is mind-boggling. This Airbus plane was an absolutely amazing piece of engineering.
Also mind-boggling is the sheer number of things that had to go wrong for this to happen, from ignored warning signs from failed psych evals, to poor training and oversight by the airline, to repeated warning signs being absolutely ignored, to allowing pilots to fly in a compromised state (fasting), to allowing this psychopath to be CAPTAIN on an airplane when he shouldn't even be allowed to have a driver's license for anything more powerful than a moped! Absolutely insane!
i feel this could be shown to every pilot again and again ie training.. so they know what not to do
The aircraft and the fucking ATC guy. Dude was literally ordering the pilot to abort the landing. He initially was nice so the pilot can save face, then more insistent, then straight up ordering him to abort the landing. Imagine how helpless you'd feel trying to save people in that situation and them just dooming themselves.
@@matthewsaari6577 imagine thinking " I could have saved all of them" for the rest of ur life. poor guy
Even in islam, its ok to be not fasting while travelling
@@Vesorofficial yes traveling but they werent travelling, they were doing their JOB.. but islam does say if its hardship ie clearly pilot have 200+ lives on their hand.. and if fasting impacts their judgement, they SHOULD NOT fast..
It's finally happened. We've finally reached the level of incompetence that you'd be better off selecting passengers to fly the approach.
Exactly, I probably could have done a better job.
When i was 8 and first flying in FSX my landings looked like that, but at least i had my gear down while piledriving the runway
After watching this channel for years I think I could fly a plane 😂
No, certain pilots have reached this point which only allowed by certain airlines. If this was rampant we'd be seeing major crashes far more often. I believe culture plays a role also. In some cultures junior officers are either discouraged from offering advice or they are simply reluctant to do so. Also from my understanding Airbus flight systems have a weird way of handling competing control inputs. It is difficult or impossible to for one side to lock out the other. This played a role in the Air France crash after pitot tubes froze over followed by the aircrew stalling the airplane with all about killed when it just fell into the ocean. It was a confusing time but they crashed a perfectly operating airplane.
I got 150 hrs on Microsoft flight sim. Pretty sure I could do better.
This video is one of the most shocking in my opinion because I would never ever imagined it would be possible to let such an incompetent crew fly an airliner.
I'm now dubious flying Boeing. But certain I don't want PIA whatever the aircraft.
Perhaps not so much on the part of the co-pilot. They often? sometimes? not say anything in part due to deference to an older, more experienced pilot. Especially in societies where there is more reserve and deference to older men.
@@josepha.r5839 as an Asian where deference to elders & authority is a cultural norm, these days we are specifically trained to disregard it when it comes to safety. It depends on the organization & if they have trained their staff well. Cultural norms are well & good but not at the workplace and any impact to safety.
@@nikpalagaming8610 exactly Korean Airlines managed to change this culutre after their crash there's no excuse for Pakistan's airlines and regulators not to have done it.
@@tomriley5790 / He did a video about that crash I believe.
This guy is a great storyteller and keeps your attention engaged with maximum anticipation.
I am quite impressed by that number 2 engine honestly. There aren't many machines in the world you can smack into the ground, grind down a little off the bottom and it will just go: All right then, I guess I will restart myself because you still need me.
That why’s it cost so much
We don't know how much of it was ground down (i.e. missing), it could be only the cowling and the external machinery Petter talked about, but not the actual compressors/burners/turbines part.
You sir have never owned a Toyota Huilix.
@@paulbenkovitz2061 The truck so durable that they had to stop making them. Not because of corporate greed, but because it was too useful for paramilitaries...
Sounded like the major damage was loss of engine oil. Unlike auto engines which usually use friction bearings...jet engines all use real bearings, roller, tapered or ball...so while loss of oil would eventually cause engine failure....it's not as immediate as it would be with an auto type friction bearing.
Jus saying.... :^)
As a Pakistani, this BOILS my blood. I have flown with PIA most my life and saw it nose dive into incompetence. To think now this kind of cockpit behavior would have been present in the flights, gives shivers down my spine. Both this and the Air blue disaster were national tragedies. We mourned for our fellow citizens for weeks, even till this day.
The fact that two people survived this crash is absolutely remarkable
Yes, indeed.
Really - I don't see how that is possible.
Surviving doesn't necessarily mean walking away. They were probably mangled and permanently handicapped.
@@TucsonDude Zafar Masood "suffered only fractures" and Muhammad Zubair "suffered only minor injuries"
If you search, one of the survivors has a TEDx talk, “What I learned as one of two survivors of a plane crash”.
Thanks for making detailed video about crash of flight 8303, This crash happened just 4 km from my house, it was a terrible incident 😢.... in those years most of the PIA pilots were flying without licenses (they had fake licenses) and they were recruited in service by corruption and money that's why they didn't even knew about the proper flight operating SOPs and had a very irresponsible behavior
It's sad. Has anything changed for the better since 2020?
@@jetblackjoy Mmmm not much, little bit strictness in pilot selection and training, this airline is considered most dangerous.... So majority of people don't prefer traveling in it..... Adhesive tape on cabin sealings, broken seats, malfunctions etc. Sadly, Corruption still rules PIA!
@@MUHAMMADBILAL-yz8mc to be honest, I can relate. Judging by what I hear, cadets in my country often have to, in fact, buy their certificates too, because the instructors will never let them pass an exam for free. Those who complain are forced by "unofficial means" to leave the school - one of the only two schools preparing airline pilots. Both are state and, unsurprisingly, their management steals everything which is not welded down, including money to buy spare parts for training planes.
@@jetblackjoy hmmm very bad situation in every country, may Allah Almighty guide these corrupt people, Ameen
I know it’s not the same thing but I drive heavy freight trains for a living. And when we have problems we consult with fellow staff to solve problems , I never assume that I know everything. There are people at the end of a phone call that have far more experience than me . And it is so reassuring to have that.
It’s not the same thing either but I work as ground crew at an international airport. It actually serves Petter’s airline. I’m forever doing pushback of Ryanair 737s. But I’m never left alone out on the apron. If I’m ever uncertain I can call or radio about three or four colleagues or my supervisors and managers who will immediately respond or come to my aid.
And I’ll never be judged or insulted or ignored for calling out for help or to get a second opinion. Nor would it happen if I called for someone out to help me. All is forgiven in the name of safety in aviation. Or that’s how it’s supposed to work. It’s the same thing with accidents no matter what damage you do and you report it we don’t get punished. Retrained and requalify so we don’t fear losing our jobs then failing to report it.
Heck we’re neither pilots nor engineers but if we wander past an aircraft and we spot something that looks broken, damaged or just “wrong” and we report it then that aircraft is grounded automatically until it’s been checked by an engineer or pilot. In practice this just means a few minutes because engineers and pilots are always onsite.
It’s why incidents like this are so shocking to us. We’re constantly drilled and pushed about safety. We’re reminded often that even for us on the ground, our lives depend on follow the rules. We’re told “The rules are written with the blood of those who come before you. Be careful when you decide to break them for your blood might be what the next rule is written with.” I’ve never forgotten it and I immediately call out any colleagues who don’t.
@@mikoto7693 Thank you for your diligent service!
What an absolutely infuriating story. I feel terrible for that first officer; he seemed to be trying to do the right thing at every stage of the approach. He suggested they do an orbit (denied by hotshot captain); he put the gear up when it was obvious they weren't going to make the landing (ignored by hotshot captain); he made the only radio calls that weren't blatantly lying about their situation (when he wasn't just saying what hotshot captain told him to say); his control inputs seem to indicate that he was trying to abort the approach at every possible opportunity. By the time he finally worked up the courage to actually SAY something ("take off sir!"), he was giving the wrong advice.
Tragic example of why it's so important that junior employees are instilled with the confidence to speak up when they KNOW something or someone is wrong, even when it means going up against a senior employee.
This deserves waaay more upvotes.
The problem is jr. employees do NOT KNOW when something is wrong. They think something is wrong, but the sr. employee keeps indicating they are fine... That is when jr employees go into passive behaviour until the last moment.
@@mandrews1245 Sometimes they do.
Sometimes they are very well trained, and they indeed know things, but don't dare to tell or intervene.
Sometimes they notice things that are missed by the experienced professionals because those have learned from their experience that certain things are not worthy to be checked, because they never fail/are never wrong. Except when they are.
I have to tell that I don't fly by profession, but I work in a field where mistakes do have consequences.
I am always eager to hear what the newcomers say. Yes, 9/10 are meaningless and unimportant. (This is an opportunity to teach them.) But the remaining 10th is a point of view that no one in the current team has, and their insight and ideas can prove to be very useful.
This is horrific. The number of failures by this flight crew is shocking, and a big part of me was wondering why the FO was letting things continue as they were (and I know there's a lot to be said for power imbalances and also for following orders), but learning how poor this company's monitoring of it's pilots was, this probably wasn't the first time (or anywhere close) that he'd seen pilots disregarding SOPs and safety regulations. Unfortunately, people are as capable of terrible behaviour as we are of amazing behaviour, and the company culture here allowed poor attitudes and behaviours to thrive. Those poor passengers, inhabitants, and ATC controllers. Things like this should never happen, but the fact that it happened in 2020, despite all we've learnt and improved about safety is just awful.
Thank you for presenting this with your usual grace and clarity Peter.
Indeed, exactly.
One could see the FO not wanting to be the inexperienced new guy who comes out of training ready to teach the presumably wiser veterans their trade, but there must have been hundreds of FOs and other close observers who saw at least a little of the captain's flouting of rules and standards over 30 years and let it go. That's institutionalized apathy supporting the natural human desire not to trigger an unpleasantly volatile personality.
The passiveness of the FOs is actually a pretty big problem. I know of at least half a dozen crashes where something has happened to the captain and the FO just doesn’t seem to have the balls to challenge the erring captain or junior take the damn controls with a firm “my aircraft” and fly to safety… even when they know they’re in danger.
Truthfully I don’t understand how it keeps happening. On an instinctive level I just don’t understand how it happens. Why the survival instinct doesn’t kick in.
I was watching a flight video of a qualified and professional A320 crew. One thing the captain said stood out to me in the approach briefing. He said, "If I make a mistake, it is not intentional and please point it out to me".
Crazy how this crew seemed to be more concerned about their personal conversations then critical flight related conversations.
@@mikoto7693 Onr point about the FO was surely his lack of competence. He made a lot of crucial mistakes, too, and probably he knew that he wasn´t the best bullet in the gun. He was not only passive but submissive up to a dangerous level and that was one of his crucial mistakes.
Maybe also an intention to keep harmony in the Cockpit played a role for his behaviour, too - both had obviously chatted a long time nicely with each other and now it was difficult for him to switch the "mode" of the conversation. But that´s only specualtion.
50:46 WAS the captain thinking? Throughout ANY of this?!
Hello Petter!
I´ve been watching your videos for many months now, I don't study or work in aviation but the quality of your videos instantly grabbed my attention.
Now that I have watched the majority of your aviation accidents/incidents, I find aviation extremely interesting and every time I get to fly on a plane I'm fascinated because now I understand a lot of what is going on.
The way you explain the most complex technical systems and devices in such an interesting and understandable way is really impressive.
Keep it up💪
That’s the best feedback I’ve heard all day! 💕
It's actually quite amazing. Now, when delays and cancellations happen, i don't get annoyed anymore. I only think, "There is a reason for this, and that ensures my safety, that ensures my life. I hope they don't rush, I hope they know for me, it's okay. "
@@firstnamelastname5474 exactly! thats so good to know. earlier this year my family and i went on holiday and my mum didnt understand one of the procedures (i dont remember which one exactly) and i could explain it to her.
Knowing how things work and how safe airplanes actually are is really calming when flying yourself. I think if anything happened to a flight that im part of, i would probably be much more calm than a few years ago, since i know what kinds of extreme situations aircrafts can handle
Hear, hear. Shortly after discovering this channel, I watched every single video on here & on Mentour Now. Extremely high quality videos.
Same hear. I got tremendously interested in aviation over this year.
You know Petter is being extra serious when he doesn't say "have an absolutely fantastic day and I'll see you next time. Bye bye."
😞
this story reminded me of that story where a religious guy is stuck on the roof of his house in a flood, and whenever someone tries to rescue him he goes "god will save me" until he drowns. Then he asks god why he didn't get saved and god says "I sent you two boats and a helicopter." The ATC here was the voice of god. And the pilot rejected every single life saving order he was being given. Such is the ego of man.
That's a brilliant story! Wow.
I sent you a policeman. I sent you a truck. I sent you a boat. I even sent you a helicopter!. What more did you expect me to do?
I remember this story fondly as a university student being recruited to a fraternity. It was told by an elder fraternity member to the possible neophytes during one of the recruitment dinner events.
Nicely put. Yes .
Remember when you were considered unfit to be a pilot? Even back then I was already trying to save you. But you had to be stubborn and fight my will.
This should be a case study in all the Pilot training schools on how not pilot should behave/act. This is nothing but criminal negligence. Pilot was warned by machines, ATC and got suggestions from his first officer. Pilot's ego to prove he is superior caused this crash.
Credit to Petter for keeping his composure whilst telling such a harrowing story. Thank you ❤️
RIP to the poor souls on board that had to endure this pure insanity.
This is the first time I've heard him struggle to maintain composure. Even going so far as to describe the actions as "incompetence." And I don't blame him. The blatant disregard for....rules, regulations, safety, everything. It's astonishing. And for what? What reason did the captain have for these decisions?
Utterly terrifying. Completely with you on the anger, Petter, this entire story from start to finish was completely unacceptable. Such an unnecessary waste of lives. Thank you for telling the story.
Former flight student here. The visuals of the runway at that crazy high angle are a nice touch. I remember what a runway actually looked like at a proper glide slope angle and that picture gives me chills. I never saw a runway looking like that and would never want to.
I thought it was a little exaggerated tho, wasnt it? Would a 3° difference look like that much?
@@hernerweisenberg7052 Yes. It would.😥
“Former flight student “…I guess you didn’t become a pilot?
@@hernerweisenberg7052 That's 3° on top of only a 3° 'standard' glideslope, so it's doubling the angle. Since you're already dealing with hellacious foreshortening, well, this won't double the apparent length, but it may stretch it by half or more. And if you're in the cockpit and paying ANY ATTENTION AT ALL to your instruments, you might just notice that 13° down-angle. That's a HUGE difference.
@@Wargasm54mind your own business bro
Wow! First time watching this particular incident/ video and as a non pilot with zero real world experience, what shocked me most, was I have more decorum and professionalism flying the Airbus in Flight Simulator than these pilots. Massive respect to those pilots who fly with a sense of vigilance, responsibility and integrity.
I’m a civilian and this angers me beyond disbelief. I can only imagine how devastating this must be for pilots to watch or for Petter to report. Just….wow.
It makes us ordinary passengers a bit wary of flying. I was on an internal Nigerian flight, when it landed flames and sparks came out of a wheel when the captain applied the brakes. The typical African attitude to maintenance is "It's working. Therefore nothing needs doing".
Yeah, it makes you really want to pay a bit more for Delta or Lufthansa or other reputable airline.
And the person killed on the ground was a 12-year-old child who was working as a maid. "A child maid", ffs. She had 60% burns; her sisters had over 70% burns - they survived, she did not. It's heartbreaking.
@@CathyKitsonCultural and religious issues in Pakistan have ruined it
Don't fly during Ramadan.
A terrifying degree of incompetence in the cockpit- not to mention whatever regulatory body was responsible for training and licensing both of these idiots. There were so many nails in that "coffin" there would have been no wood left.
After that accident there was a crackdown with regards to pilot licenses: PIA grounded a bunch of pilots, fired some of them and the Civil Aviation Authority in Pakistan stopped licensing pilots altogether for a while.
Totally incompetent!
Peaceful Islamic Sharia Society & Sunnah Hadith Islamic Theology are stark realities of this world.
There's a 20+ year old joke that PIA stands for 'Please Inform Allah' or 'Perhaps I Arrive' so I doubt this captain was the exception.
@@a64750 Even with the gear down, they ran the risk of overshooting the runway, like Garuda 200.
One of the worst airlines I’ve experienced worldwide. Unfortunate events and tragic for the loss of souls. Thank you for the wonderful reconstruction and explanation.
Unlike other crashes, this crash is 100% on the captain and first officer. NO EXCUSES. Clear day, No Air traffic due to covid lockdown, no malfunctions, how can you fumble it so bad. It is appalling to have such selfish people among us
Well, the fact, for one, that they managed to become a captain and first officer respectively does say a lot, as does the fact that other pilots had non-genuine licences...
Hi Petter, I really liked the sentiment at the end of the video. Its accidents like these where we are reminded that people who allow others like the Captain to fly, share responsibility for the lives of those lost passengers.
"If you're an examiner, these are exactly the type of traits that you and I are entrusted with keeping out of the cockpit".
It's Petter...
As a Pakistani, I advocate for the complete dissolution of PIA. Given the state of affairs across the country, I harbor no trust in any government-run institution. It's as if we're operating the entire nation like these pilots. Witnessing such incompetence fills me with immense anguish and despair.
Privatization helps
They should privatise the airline.
@@sargunangoppalan7809 why should this help?
you have my compassion, especially because there are so many pakistanis good people who would have deserved a better society. I know Pakistan from two journeys. In my opinion it lacks in basical fields. I saw women working in the fields while their men were sitting in the village for a chat and a drink.
How is this airline still allowed to leave Pakistani airspace?! Every country should basically regard every PIA plane as a probable disaster, a flying ticking timebomb bomb, essentially. The fact that this hasn't happened before is entirely thanks to the amazing engineering of planes, since PIA clearly doesn't care about their pilots' qualifications, skills, ability to do the job, or ability to follow SOP!
Thanks for making this, this one is a bit close to my heart since I flew to Pakistan on Qatar Airways in March 2020, before the government introduced a lockdown. What followed was all airlines being banned from flying in / out of Pakistan, except Pakistan Airlines itself. We spent a fortune to get a flight with them back home, but when we arrived at the airport on April 7, we found out that our plane was "delayed for a couple of hours". Fast forward 24 hours and we were all stuck at the airport gate, watching our deserted 777 on the stand, with no sign of the crew. PIA's pilots (part of the PALPA union) had decided to strike, leaving us stranded in the airport at the gate. They striked due to working conditions and harsh quarantine procedures. As passengers, we were desperate to get back home so all the flights were masively over priced, highly limited and packed full of people.
The reason I mention this is because, PIA refused to tell us what the delay was, they tried to hide it as a technical problem, while they negociated with the pilots. When the pilots finally agreed to fly us, it had been 15+ hours since their original departure time and I couldn't help notice the tired crew turning up, to me it seemed like they had not rested before this 8 hour flight back to the UK. PIA decided to do an aircraft change, so they moved us from one gate to the other, to make it look like the original aircraft was technical. But as an aviation enthuisast, I was already very well aware of the strike situation.
During my time stranded in the airport, I spent a lot of it walking between gates and watching many of the deserted A320's on stand, they were not going to fly anytime soon as lockdown had just started. One of them was this aircraft in question.
When we left Pakistan, our 777 was an ex vietnam airlines aircraft in a terrible state. The flight was packed full, the screens were unusable and just displayed "Vietnam Airlines", there was a vivid smell of damp in the aircraft and no in flight map for the 8 hours, so we didn't know where we were in the world. Even drinking water on that plane was a disgusting experience. Which is a shame as the 777 is my favourite aircraft.
Getting out of the plane in the UK, I noticed the aircraft had loads of paint missing from the front, clearly some damage through hail / weather / poor paint job and another sign of the state of this airline.
That's really unsafe. This. Never go to Pakistan ever. Edit: if you do want to go to Pakistan still go by non PIA airlines
Thanks for this.
@@FlatEarthKillerYou can easily go on a non-PIA flight
@@Snailryder Yep, I do and I have. Though I'm not going to Pakistan not for this reason but because of unsafe infrastructure like rainwater storm drains that are also used as household drains aswell as people throwing trash in them and it being excessively wide is a recipe for disaster which happened to me. I fell in one when I was learning motorcycling. It was very deep
Seems they haven't changed since the 2000's. The worst flight of my life was aboard a PIA plane.
Everytime I watch one of these videos, I can’t even begin to imagine how the passengers are reacting to these situations. This is unimaginably scary and I’m very grateful to every pilot that has gotten me to where I need to go safely
Firstly, I am super thankful to Mentour pilot for this video. I myself am from Pakistan. And I can clearly remember the day when we were watching TV and this came in the news. It was horrible but also it got me thinking, how could a perfect aircraft crash like this. I love your videos and have gotten a passion for aviaton thanks to you. I tried looking the accident on the Internet but I seemed to understand nothing. I asked you to make a video on this in the previous video. Thanks alot it really cleared everything. Hopefully in the future I will do my best to become a great part of aviaton. Maybe a pilot maybe not, none the less my passion for aviaton will keep me close to it.
I recommend you also watch Blancolirio (Juan Browne) who has made a few videos about this event.
@@gerardacronin334
Thanks, I will surely watch his video as well. 👍
Oh thank you I will watch to.😊
@Nabeel2612 the crash report was made public - so if you would really look on internet for explanation, you would find report.
@pabloherrera8964
Humm can u plz tell me where to find it.
I remember when it happened and reading all of the initial speculation on the pilot forums - what could cause an approach like this and could a flight crew really land with the gear up? It was so far-fetched that people were looking for all sorts of other explanations. As the footage and other information came out, it became apparent that this was an accident without precedent, something so unheard of as to be genuinely shocking.
We're often confused or shocked by pilots' actions (or lack thereof) in fatal accidents, but this amount of negligence and blatant disregard for the rules by the flight crew still absolutely baffles me. I feel sorry for the co-pilot; while not without blame himself, CRM in certain airlines is seriously lacking, and deference to the pilot and his poor decision making definitely played a part here. Great video! Thanks.
Most undisciplined, most umprofessional and least focused cockpit crew I've ever seen, the pilot is the most arrogant..
@@MarinCipollina I pretty much completely blame the captain. He even took control of the stick without telling the co-pilot. If he hadn't done that the co-pilot would have saved the plane.
@@miramichi30 I blame the "inshallah-mentality", it hasn't given the world anything good
PIA = Please Inform Allan
PIA seems to have a crash like this every 5 years or so, it's honestly not that surprising that it was as it was.
This brings to mind an anecdote from many years ago. Back in the early to mid 2000s I was on a United flight from SFO to London. My seat mate was a flamboyant South Asian kid bedecked with flashy Gucci accessories and with a penchant for listening to loud music over his headphones. When meals were served, he began complaining about the food, saying he was going to "write a complaint about this phucking airline!" He declared that he'd learned his lesson, and from now on he was going to stick to flying Emirates, as was his usual habit. This got us to talking about aviation in general, and I remarked that I'd recently heard on the radio that Pakistani International was the world's worst airline. "That's true!," he exclaimed."Never fly phucking PIA man! You want to die? -fly phucking PIA. Don't believe me? ask my father, he will tell you; he is the vice-president of phucking PIA!"
Sounds like the Boeing employees who won’t fly in Boeing planes.
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@@mianomo1216 right 😭
This was a hard watch for me. This plane crashed in the neighbourhood behind our house and, we could see the flames and chaos from our roof. Later, when the manifest was published in the hours following the crash, we found out that our dearest childhood friend had been on it along with his wife and 2 little children. Im truly shocked by the issues revealed in this video. It should never have happened. I hope PIA learns from this in earnest. Thank you MentourPilot for making the video.
Holy shit. The fact that there's a more-than-zero percent chance of getting stuck onboard a plane with pilots like this is downright terrifying. While these videos are often quite tragic, the educational value (along with Petter's superb presentation) almost always keeps them entertaining. This is the first time I actually felt angry throughout the majority of the video -- simply because it was difficult to comprehend how the f*ck a *certified pilot* could possibly make so many catastrophically horrendous and utterly inexcusable decisions with total disregard for the safety and well-being of the nearly 100 passengers aboard his plane. What an absolute nightmare. My sincere condolences to the victims' families and loved ones.
Thanks again for another phenomenal demonstration, Petter. Your accident analyses are truly unique in both quality and insight. I think I speak for everybody when I say we greatly appreciate the time and effort you put into providing this outstanding content for us. Please, keep up the remarkable work, my friend!
that pilot was stuck in the flight simulator game, and he wants to try hard landing
This one actually made me physically sick to my stomach.
This guy literally appealed his rejection on the grounds that "when I applied, the standards were lower"
And remember: there are people actively trying to lower standards because muh dei.
FYI there is a high probability that the pilot had a fake License or used unfair means to become a pilot. His father said in an interview that his son was studying Law when one day out of the blue his son told him that he'll become a pilot and join PIA. His father asked him how is it possible ? to which his son replied"I have made some arrangements .( Probably cheated in qualification exam or used fake degrees)
@@deepakthirdreich Right?! So ever since I saw this video I realized that this guy literally did not know how to fly the plane. Zero. Zilch. He literally was relying on the autopilot to do all the work and the day he had to turn it off is the day he crashed the plane!! Scary af
You're right on point. This video has given me an in-depth idea of how pilots were flying. I lost two of my friends, one with their entire family, including two kids and a wife, losing their lives. My condolences to all the families for the loss of everyone onboard. May God give them peace and the highest place in heaven.
The incident occurred very close to my home, and it left us all in shock. At first, I harbored a sympathetic feeling towards pilots, especially upon hearing the composed final communication from the captain to the air traffic control. However, upon reviewing the complete report, my emotions shifted to devastation. It's now daunting to consider traveling with PIA, considering how many similar instances might still persist within our system. RIP poor souls.
Unfortunately, this incident, and the other recent crash, only points toward a very corrupt and inadequate safety system and training program within PIA. Probably enhanced by an equal high corruption rate in the Pakistani society as a whole (not surprisingly considering the salary ratings in that society, but still no excuse either and a very damning circumstance in generel). And unfortunately, it's not just the 2 crashes with their loss of so many lives that should never have been cut short in this tragic manner. I have no count on the many irregularities I have come across over the years when it comes to PIA, many of them potentially lethal with only a miracle preventing that lethal outcome. And I'm not even in the actual aircraft safety community where these incidents are best known.
I also know that the media coverage in Pakistan is not as available as in the western world, but I still cannot fathom why the generel population of Pakistan will still even want to fly with PIA at the present level of safety, let alone the possibility of reparations for injured or relatives of fatal casualties being available in Pakistan. This is one air line that should be so feared that nobody would want to even see their aircraft on the tarmac of an airport.
And quite apart from all this, which unfortunately is mostly harmful to any common Pakistani traveller, there is the inevitably delayed action on the part of the international regulatory system of aircraft safety as a whole to deny PIA access to the airspace, again sadly putting many people of Pakistan in totally unwarranted lethal danger, augmented by the support to PIA by the Pakistani government in some misguided sense of national pride overriding the safety of the population as a whole. And that is inexcusable in my humble view., to the point of actively taking part in organized premeditated manslaughter every time a life is lost because of it.
Sorry. It sounds like I'm degrading the whole Pakistani society and all the people there across the board. I'm not. I'm sorry that you have to live in such circumstances. Nobody should have to do that.
I thought PIA was once a highly regarded and well regulated airline. No so anymore, apparently
@@Jens-Viper-Nobel
Contrary to this you should know pakistanis as a WHOLE seek to avoid pia as much as possible. The only time you’ll see anyone bothering to use them is affordability purposes.
I had to take a flight with pia last year and I can’t tell you how many people across friends and family chided me as to why i would ever use them 🤣 turned out to be a pleasant flight in this case
@@Jens-Viper-Nobel I hear you. It sounds like there are some deep-rooted issues regarding independence and democracy in Pakistan. The prevalence of corruption and a bossy nature in the workplace seems to be widespread, making it challenging for individuals to thrive, especially those pursuing careers like becoming pilots. It's unfortunate that the definition of leadership there is different and reflects a toxic environment. Hopefully, with time, the promising generation can bring about positive change.
@@alli3219 It's truly heartbreaking to witness PIA's decline, I heard it will privatized real soon.