I mean I think it’s pretty simple. They may still hate each other but A: Alicent gets them married off to high houses and tries to have one of her daughter be ruling queen instead B: Rhaenyra remains heir, still with turbulence because gender. Alicents children have children and they produce male heirs they try to put on the throne.
Of the fan-fictions I've read that give Daemon and Rhea a child, it's more commonly a daughter. If that had happened, I can picture only one of two names: "Alyssa", for the mother Daemon was known to have been very close to, or "Alysanne", as a way of mocking the grandmother that forced this marriage upon him. Boy or girl, I can see Daemon, in the earliest days of the child's training, using small taunts to make them fight harder and learn faster: "Will you be like your mother, or will you embrace the dragon inside?" Also, Rhea could still die in this new timeline, but in a different way. If she, for example, passed from complications in childbirth, this would leave Daemon as co-regent for their child, until he or she came of age. It would also make his drunken joke about Aemma and baby Baelon's deaths far worse than it already was. Viserys would be doubly-furious, unable to fathom why his brother would say such a thing, after going through a similar experience. (4/9/2024)
Yeah... yeah I can see that. I think the fan-fics of then often having a daughter makes it easier to still have a dance. Cause a Targaryen Prince that's added into the mix now adds another possible claimant for King should they war with the Greens
Im not sure if this is another Brienne situation where they hired an actress far too attractive for the role cause when i was watching the show i just assumed Daemon was salty cause Rhea is NOT ugly lol
The thing is that Rhea is never described in the book, so we don't know if she was ugly like Daemon had said or not. But with how petty Daemon can be she probably wasn't
@@notyourproblem474 He probably saw her as "ugly" because she didn't have Valyrian features, we see that he's attracted to (in the books) women who look Valyrian like Rhaenyra, Laena, and even Mysaria.
Man how could you not do a part 2 to this? Imagine a worst case scenario where the dance becomes between the Blacks, Greens and Bronzes, that's just 1 possibility as well... I know it probably won't happen but I'd love to see a part 2 exploring some of the possibilities in this video expanded upon. Anyways love your videos, always get excited when I see a new upload.
Then the Greens will probably win. Daemon was the most proactive member of the Black faction, as he was the only one able to challenge Aemond and basically single-handed secured the Riverlands for Rhaenyra, which ends up being VERY important. And both factions will be weaker, and seem weaker as well, which means more lords will support Aegon, giving the Greens even more of an advantage.
I see the Bronzes backstab the Blacks and take Harrenhall anf riverlands. Block the Cregan Stark from going South. Only after they eliminate Aemond which they will because they have 1 more dragon rider
I've just rewatched the latest episode of house of the dragon, and that got me thinking what would the bronze dragon see if he was at Harrenhall with or instead of Deamon what would he see, would he see younger version of Rhaenyra and Alicent, his mom Rhea if she was still killed or my personal favorite would he see the man he named after the bronze dragon meets the cruel, picture the conversation between the two.
He could even explore all possibilities; Maegor marrying Rhaenyra, Alicent, or Laena (or even Jeyne arryn). And all would be such interesting events to watch unfold. P.s.: He did part 2! go watch!
I suppose it would depend on the time in the marriage he was born; if early enough- he could be a marriage prospect for Rhaenyra, if later- who knows...?
I do think Daemon will only accept Rhaenyra to be his in-law for several reasons, 1. To united the claim of two lines of Prince Baelon's descendants, Viserys line and Daemon line. 2. Daemon worships Valyrian tradition and is committed to the true Targaryen lineage, although Maegor himself is a half Targaryen-Royce, it's better for Maegor to marry a direct Targaryen like Rhaenyra, rather than marry him to a non-Targaryen woman (even Laena Velaryon). 3. Marriage between Maegor and Rhaenyra will make Daemon get into the position of power, since his son will be the Prince Consort when Rhaenyra ascends the Iron Throne.
Wouldn’t Maegor be the heir to the throne? The only reason why rhaenyra became it was because daemon was too shitty and there were no other options, even if Otto is so against daemon he would still prefer to just surpass him and use his son, it’s would be easier to convince him and it would be a possible marriage for allicent
Yeah, honestly I would be surprised if Viserys selected Raenyra after disinheriting Daemon instead of point blank stating that Maegor would be his heir. Then the Dance would be Otto and Daemon playing a proxy war to get Allicent or Rhaenyra to marry Maegor to safeguard their pathway to control of the throne.
Good point about Maegor being the heir to the throne, but if that did happen I don't think he would marry Allicent if Otto offered it. Because I don't think people realise that Maegor may be the one person that would hate Otto more than anyone else and yes even Deamon, I'm sure we can all agree that given who our bronze dragon is named after Otto would throw it in his face the most out of everyone, I mean imagine if Maegor was in the small council meeting with his dad and when Otto stands up Maegor puts his hand on his sword. Otto "God's be good the old king was right the cruel name is a curse, look at the litte bronze dragon reaching for his sword, you see everyone he frist thought was violence".
Yeah Viserys would likely just pass over Daemon since Viserys really isn't the type to give such a severe punishment like that, it took a lot just to disinherit Daemon, unless Daemon's son does something equally as awful like sleep with Rhaenyra around the same time or something like he thought Daemon did, then Viserys is more likely to make Daemon's son heir and marry him to Rhaenyra
What if all of Viserys and Aemma's Children that died had survived? Would that be disastrous? Because Jaehaerys literally had so many kids, but they kept on causing so much trouble throughout the Seven kingdoms. Imagine Viserys would have alot of headaches with many kids, he has political headaches with Rhaenyra, but with siblings that causes trouble as well. Would really drive Viserys crazy 😅
@bizarreconvos Besides Baelon, the only names for sons that would be pretty much guaranteed would be "Aegon" and/or "Jaehearys". As for other girls...maybe "Alyssa", but I'm not sure if he was as close to their mother, as Daemon was. I could see him, naming one daughter after Aemma's mother, Daella. Another girl could've been named "Rhaenys", as a way to soothe whatever bad feelings existed over his cousin's gender, eliminating her from serious throne contention. Obviously, a confusion-eliminating nickname would have to be used. (4/9/2024)
@@Meme-jo7ujthere would be a change as helena would probably move with rhaenyra's family to dragonstone. She would probably be happier with jace bc he isnt like her brothers. She would probably less depresso and more expresso
@@axeldiaz404 And all that does is give Helaena happiness....this doesn't help Rhaenyra at all. This doesn't help as Rhaenyra still has Aegon, Aemond and Daeron to contend with. You think they'd automatically bow because Helaena moved to the other side? Absolutely not. All this does is free House Velaryon from TB shackles. If you think Corlys would allow a THIRD strike, you are wrong. They marry Jace and Helaena? Fine. Corlys removes his name from Rhaenyra's sons, openly naming them bastards, and either remains neutral during the war or he brokers a betrothal between his granddaughters and Alicent's sons. This also removes Daemon. Dick or not, placing Helaena over Baela would be adios for him. Everyone talks about this without realizing that Rhaenyra's choice to betroth her sons to Daemon's daughters was because she NEEDED House Velaryon's validation. Even if Rhaenyra managed to become Queen, after she dies, Jace is pretty fucked.
@@janellejulianajoy idgaf if it breaks the whole timeline, all I care is that heleana finally receives some peace and happiness. You're getting all worked up based on a scenario, that's all it is, it's a scenario. Not real. Comprende bub
It would be interesting if this hypothetical maegor will weald both darksister and lamentation (the valyrian steel sword of house royce) in this timeline
Interestingly enough, the only King I think lives up to and surpasses his namesake is Viserys II, especially if you include his years of Handship. It would be really neat to see a second Maegor that is the complete opposite of Maegor the 1st Targaryen personality wise, beloved by the realm, not grumpy, still a great swordsman ect
What about Daeron the Good? Not as cool as the Young Dragon, but definitely a better king. Or if we are counting ones who never become king, Baelor Breakspear.
If Rhaenyra died without having children there woukd not have been a Dance of Dragons at all. Aegon as Viserys' heir would have greater claim than Daemon
Wouldn't the Iron Throne be alarmed at the consolidation of power between the Arryns and the Royces? Wouldn't the rest of the Vale lords also be upset at this consolidation? There might be a civil war in the Vale to prevent the hegemony.
I do like this idea of Daemon having a son with Rhea. And after reading some of the comments, it does make sense for Viserys to name Maegor heir to the Iron Throne. Remember, in the books and show, at that point of time when his wife Aemma, and their newborn son, Baelon, died on the same day. There was only Viserys, Rhaenyra, and Daemon currently the only living Targaryens. Not counting Saera and Vaemond as they or maybe be still alive at that point in time. With Maegor around, heir to Runstone and dragonrider, assuming he's not as much of a troublemaker as our favorite Rogue Prince, he would be a perfect candidate to be heir to the Iron Throne. Other Lords have made their nephews heirs before and this would not be any different. Even if Daemon gets pissed that Viserys disinheriting him, he may be accepting that his son gets to inherit the Iron Throne over him. His blood would be on the throne regardless rather if it's him or not. And Lady Royce might also accept this as her son and heir may become the next king of Westeros. Regardless how she may personally feel of Viserys's choice, any Lord or Lady would give anything for a chance to have their blood on that damn throne. And House Royce's influence and power would immediately sky rocket if that would acquire. Both Maegor's parents would be fools to ignore a chance like that.
All of what you said is very true, if Maegor was made the heir to the throne his parents would be idiots not to be happy about it. But I also think if Maegor had to marry, Rhaenyra, Alicent or Laena I think it would be Laena, because I don't think anything with Deamon and Rhaenyra would change infact I can kind of see a brother, sisters relationship between Maegor and Rhaenyra also she would still marry Laenor, Alicent would still marry Viserys, and there could also be a deep hate between Maegor and Otto and yes even more then Deamon, because remember the first Maegor was married to a hightower and we all know how that worked out alos Otto would probably throw Maegor name back in his face maybe saying he the "cruel reborn" or something, so I think he would marry Leana for the following reasons. 1: There fathers have some kind of alliance going on. 2: He's fought along side her father, brother and uncle in battle and may have earned there respect, well maybe her father and brother not so much her uncle. 3: They have two of the biggest dragons in the world. Side note: You know the night when Deamon and Corlys met on Driftmark, I can see Meagor going with him and while they talk Maegor sees and approaches Vhagar because, Vhagar is the only living thing that has been the the first Maegor rule and who frist rider was Maegor mother so there might be some fascination on the bronze dragon part and there were I can see him and Leana meeting for the first time if they haven't yet. 4: And finally I can see Maegor mother agreeing to the marriage because while she maybe what him to marry into the Arryns, but with the possibility of him marrying someone form the richest family in the kingdom and getting three adult dragon I think she would go along with it.
@@phil.moloney2980 I can see that happening. Also story wise, it would be interesting since Maegor has choices and each one benefits him and his children. If Viserys, for some reason or because of Otto, doesn't become heir to the Iron Throne, if be marries Laena, a powerful alliance between Velaryon and Royce could form through Targaryen blood. Since they would have most of the dragons in their hands, if they want to take the Iron Throne by force, the crown wouldn't have a chance. Especially if this rebellion starts much earlier with Alicent's kids, if they still exist in this situation, would be far too young to ride, let alone fight. But I still think the idea of Maegor marrying Rhaenyra would make a lot of sense if Daemon pushes it. And not to mention, this is House Targaryen. Marrying brother to sister is tradition with them. Cousin and cousin wouldn't be different. Accept that it would be more acceptable since marrying cousin to cousin is both acceptable and common among the noble houses of Westeros. But Maegor has options. Marrying Rhaenyra or Laena might not matter in the long run as long as he's named heir to the Iron Throne by his uncle.
@@TheWarSword You make a good point, but I dont think Maegor wouldn't be made heir to the throne for one reason Otto. And I know what your thinking but it Viserys discussion not Otto, and with Deamon pushing for a marriage between Maegor and Rhaenyra it would happen, but the sad thing is that early on in the story Viserys values Otto opinion more than Deamon, an remember how Deamon acts so Otto has some ground to work with, also Otto doesn't what Deamon to have any kind of power and if Maegor gets some power Deamon would no doubt try push his son a path he what's, in other words a victory for Maegor is a victory for Deamon, so Otto would do everything he can to keep them both away form the throne, and as I said before changes are Maegor hates Otto as much or more than his dad does.
@@phil.moloney2980 It would add a sense of tragedy for Maegor. He probably would've wanted to marry Rhaenyra but if Otto does interfere, he would be pissed. A lot of hate for him and the Hightowers, maybe not with Alicent unless she does got with her fathers plans. He may get so angry that he would marry Laena to build an alliance to counter the Hightowers and their power plays. Having the largest dragons in the world on their side, and arguably more dragons if Laena and Maegor have kids, if the Hightowers try to take over like in canon with the whole crowning Aegon, Maegor would probably be ready to take the Greens out with is alliance and maybe get Rhaenyra to side with him since if she's still named heir, he would support her claims because he still loves her and he hates Otto. So if the Dance still happens, with Maegor in the scene and already for action, the Blacks would bulldoze over King's Landing since Vhagar would probably still be with Laena if she's still alive. (edited) And now just realizing that there maybe a slim chance that if Maegor wasn't able to marry Rhaenyra, if her first three sons still remain bastards, they could end up being Maegor's bastards. Possibly. But if that did happen, at less Jacaerys, Lucerys, and Joffery, if they still exist in this timeline, may at less look more Valyrian if Maegor is the father. Don't know if Alicent would figure it out or not, but if she did, it's hard to tell how she would feel if Maegor was a close friend of hers.
@@TheWarSword Again you make a good point, but I don't think Maegor and Rhaenyra would be able to have a affair with each other because remember if Deamon still kills Rhea, Maegor would be the lord of ruin stone witch means he will have to stay in the Vale, also what you said about him and Alicent you right but what I think would be the turning point is if they talk some time before the party and she reveals how she feels about Rhaenyra and what she had done, and in that moment Maegor we see something no doubt had said to him most of his life by his dad, a hightower is a hightower meaning Alicent is just like her father, so when she shows Maegor that she is going to get her son on the throne by passing Rhaenyra that when there friendship will end, also unlike Deamon marriage to Laena where he still whated Rhaenyra, I can see Meagor actually growing to love Laena because of how supportive she was of Deamon I can imagine her supportive for Maegor, maybe it would a Ned and Catlyn relationship.
I like to think that Maegor and Laenor were at least friends during the war. I mean, theyre the same age and well, its nice to hang out with someone your age, especially when everyone else is old enough to be your dad or grandpa.
I watch a lot of what if videos from different channels but this right here! I haven't seen this one explored yet can you please do a part 2 please please please please please please please please and how we can show him being a active parent and the changes it will make in the whole story is dynamic
This is an interesting what if scenario to think about and depending on who Maegor Royce married does sounds interesting, so let’s look at the options. *Rhaenyra* it looks obvious on paper, Daemon can have his son marry the princess, especially if she’s the hair, might cause problems with Velaryons but Rhaenyra would have true born children. *Alicent* if you want to take a Romeo and Juliet route, both of their fathers would greatly disapprove of it but Viserys being the nice guy that he is allows it, Viserys would ended up marrying Laena instead but the Velaryons would have divided loyalties if Laenor still marry Rhaenyra. *Laena* Daemon still has a friendship with Corlys the Sea Snake, not much changed since Maegor would just replace Daemon. *Rhaenyra 2* specifically after Laenor’s death, since Daemon would still be married to Rhea in this scenario, their wouldn’t be Baela & Rhaena, unless Maegor married Laena but she still died. *Jeyne Arryn* with Maegor being an Royce, this marriage alliance helps solidify Jeyne’s rule over the Vale, especially if Maegor Royce has Vermithor The *Bronze* Fury. I like to call Maegor Royce The *Bronze Dragon* in reference to his heritages.
If maegor is married to rhaenyra, they have 7 children. 4 boys- baelon heir to the iron throne aegon heir to rune stone aerion spare for both. and viserys and 3 girls - visenya alyssa and aemma. If maegor Is married to laena, they have 4 children, 2 boys, heir to rune stone jacerys, and aelyx spare , and 2 girls' twins, rhaena, and aella if maegor is married to alicent they have 5 children 3 girls- helaena rhae and maegelle and 2 boys aemond and daeron
I don't think the Royces would mind Maegor's name that much. For one after the North, the Vale caused the least amount of trouble for Maegor during his reign as a result very few in the Vale would have experienced Dragon flame. Secondly, The Royces follow the old gods and since Maegor was only ever fighting the faith of the seven.
@palantiri6590 There are knights that follow the old gods such as Rodrik Cassel, Jorah Mormont and Bartimus of Wolf's Den. I'm inclined to believe that they are only surface worshippers of the seven to pacify their Andal dominant neighbors. While keeping as much of their old ways as possible.
@palantiri6590The Blackwoods have intermarried for years and it hasn't affected them. The fact they the Royces still keep much of the old ways and use runes that followers of the Seven would consider blasphemous suggest that they may be closer to the old gods than we might think. Their views of knighthood could very well be for show to keep the faith off their backs.
Jaehaerys I and Alysanne hated their uncle, and Alysanne arranged for Daemon to be in an unhappy marriage, so I love the idea that Daemon would name his son Maegor, just to spite the two of them.
I think its simpler, Daemon doesn't like being told what to do. He resents being forced into an arranged marriage and reasserts control by not consummating and undermining it publicly. It has very little to do with her, he'd probably even like her in a different context.
@19:00 as an alternative, for the sake of raising their son, the relationship between Daemon and Rhea thaws. Imagine not one son but two to split the difference.
Damon is a Targeryen supremacist, that's why he didn't want to consumate his marriage to his wife. He was the brother of the king, uncle of the future Queen (or King, had Viserys changed his mind), he could gladly have had any other lovers even if he didn't love his wife, he still could have "suffered through" shooting his load in her to get heirs. But she was not of Targeryen or valyrian descent. Laena for example was both (being a Velaryon and the daughter of a Targeryen). And then if course there is Rhaenyra.
And if Maegor existed, Viserys would probably already have betrothed him to Rhaenyra and he might not have gotten a new wife at all, freeing up Alicent.
This is the main reason why I don’t buy none of the fluff dude was talking about..most time the simplest answer is the one. He simply wasn’t into her in any shape way or form. An resented being stuck with her..
Ooooh, interesting. Does Corlys win the war regardless, or do they lose because Daemon dies? Those will probably be at least slightly different scenarios.
Would Caraxes die with him like being shot down or would Daemon die alone? So would one of the Greens or Blacks take Caraxes? Since Rhaenyra's son are born after it, they may have a shot at bonding with Caraxes but the Canon boy's personalities don't fit with Caraxes. They may not be bastards as Daemon and Rhaenyra wouldn't have gone to a brothel so maybe no marriage to Laenor. Wow! So many opportunities!
Sorry, but disagree about a couple of things. First off...im not 100% on board with the name, but going with it anyways...Maegor would be sent to KL as a ward of Viserys or squire, even. Or to some other lord in the capital. Boys werent usually raised completely at home, would be sent off to squire and learn from another lord, and being Daemons son would make it a special case for the capital. And second...Rhaenyra wouldnt be named heir. Viserys ONLY named her heir because Daemon didnt do his marital duties, and because of his rogue nature, and because the council was against Daemon, plus he didnt think he would have any other children. But...if Daemon had a son, he would have reason to skip Rhaenyra entirely, and Daemon, and name Maegor as heir, giving more reason to keep him at the capital...and not at either. In this case, house Royce would be in the same boat. Also, going by the books, not the show, it was very clear Rhea died from the accident, and NOT by Daemon himself. So we can still assume she dies somehow around that time.
It’s also not a good thing for dragon riders to breathe with non-dragon riders because then you give everybody a dragon nobody is powerful anymore. That’s the reason Targaryen typically sleep with other Targaryen.
I really like this what if idea and I hope that you make it into a series like the what if with the greens, the reason why I like it is because to have my favorite targaryen name riding on my favorite dragon, well second favourite dragon but it doesnt really matter but I think this new Maegor will not only try to make his own legacy but I think he might pull a card form the guy he named after, you mentioned who would he marry but I can see him pulling a Maegor the cruel and marry all the girl you mentioned at the end.
I believe an episode of season 1 showed him having issues sexually, leading Misaria to ask if he wanted someone with silver hair. Maybe he was unable to consummate the marriage, leading to additional issues.
But what he didnt account for was the fact that regardless of how Daemon's story changed, Viserys would still have been wanting a son. So Viserys's story probably wouldnt have changed and he still wouldve ended up married to Allicent with Allicent's son Aegon being in line to take the throne. The only difference is that in this what-if scenario with Daemon having a son there would have been a third contender for the throne or at least another powerful faction who would have to either choose to side with the Blacks or the Greens. But if Maegor grew up with Rhaenyra, its likely he would have fought for Rhaenyra even if there werent married, which means the Greens probably wouldve been decimated quickly and the dance of dragons wouldnt have played out the way it did.
Again haven't finished the video yet but at the current timing I think deamond would be loyal to his brother over the snake. He would want to strengthen the bond between his line and his brother`s kinder spirits as him and the snake are I foresee him seeking out bond even past is niece and son being wed.
I know you said you didn't want to do this but I'm throwing it out there anyway: What if Rhea Royce and Daemon actually fell in love with each other. Of course they will dislike each other at first as you because of their similarities in character as you said, but let's just say for arguments sake that through some circumstances they get into an argument where they call each other out on their shit and make their own points clear. I think that could take both characters into an interesting direction, especially Daemon, and could possibly even provide Maegor with Sister, Vesaenya if want. But that's just some random thoughts throw out thier. Fell free to give me your opinions on this, I'd appreciate that.
I think Daemon doesn't like Rhea because she is not suitable because she is not of Valaryan lineage. Laena is Valaryan and Targaryen. Its true that Rhea is self supported BUT this type of marriage is an insult to Daemon for the most basic reason. Daemon is very much so into bloodline. If he had a kid with Rhea, that would put his son again his niece. Interesting.
Exactly this is the reason this simplest answer is usually it..he wasn’t interested in her in any shape way or form..daemon was totally nonchalant in there encounter. It was more apathetic then hatred or rage.
The only comment I have I about the last option I highly doubt that megor the son of Damon would be willing to Mary a woman who is into other women no man want there wife to cheat on them an lady aryn would probably do that with the red fort women. worst case scenario she cheats on him, he find out and uses his dragon to burn her and her lover alive ether in the castle or when she and red fort lady leave it. Best case scenario she cheat on him, he find out, he then tell on her, there vows get broken and annealed by the sept and sept now hat the aryns and now the Roy’s see the aryns as betrayers, people who slighted them and I think lady Roy’s would be pist that her son got emotionally hurt by the aryns
According to the Dragon X theory (which I think explains a lot of the Targaryen marriage practices), any daughter by Rhea and Daemon could ride a dragon because they inherit Daemon’s X gene. If they had a son, though, Daemon’s Y would be passed down and none of their sons could ride dragons. Further, no descendant of D&R could hatch a dragon, which is not the case for children with the dragonriding Laena or Rhaenyra
I love your what if so far and I hope you do Game of Thrones what ifs too.But check out on fanfiction on story's called the blue wolf and the golden dragon. And trials and tribulations of the oathkeeper those are the best stories i've seen so far.
You mentioned that Rhea isn't married to Daemon, he's married to her because of her inheritance. How is that different than his situation with Rhaenyra? I mean, outside of getting to be king consort for the whole realm instead of just one area like when he was married Rhea, his position seems similar. He's married to Rhaenyra, not the other way around. Is it because Rhaenyra admits to needing him and he abandoned her? I'm just genuinely curious about what you said and wish you would elaborate on that comparison, if you'd indulge me 😃
Daemon also had issues getting it up. I think Rhea and Daemon's issue was a Henry the 8th and Anne of Cleves situation. He tried to sleep with Rhea, couldn't and rather than admitting fault with himself, he pushed it off on her. It was her fault for being ugly or a bitch so he couldn't sleep with her
What if Rhaenyra ascended without the Greens interfering. Would she go uncontested?! Would the realm accept Jace. Would the realm be at peace with Daemon as king consort. How would she be as a ruler since she has no political intelligence.
Aemond goes off to Essos probably(maybe even becomes King of the Narrow Sea), while the rest of the Greens wait for Rhaenyra to die to press their claim on the throne. Rhaenyra wasn't exactly a good ruler in the Dance, and when she dies it's possible that there would be a three way conflict, since her sons with Daemon might also push for their claim to the throne.
in the books it is pretty clear that Daemon likes them very young he is quite clearly a paedophile not only the way he groomed his niece but also how he groomed Nettles and had an affair with her.
"Maegor The Bronze Prince."
That's a cold name right there!!!
😮
Nay, the Bronze Dragon.
And none is a more fitting dragon to be his mount but The Bronze Fury himself
What if Viserys only have daughters with Alicent?
I've been wondering this one as well.
@mmatheusdemello2323 Otto would develop a bad habit, of ripping his hair out behind closed doors. (4/9/2024)
I mean I think it’s pretty simple. They may still hate each other but
A: Alicent gets them married off to high houses and tries to have one of her daughter be ruling queen instead
B: Rhaenyra remains heir, still with turbulence because gender. Alicents children have children and they produce male heirs they try to put on the throne.
Oooh cool
@@TallJaiit’s likely Rhaenera would’ve been killed by her sisters lol
Of the fan-fictions I've read that give Daemon and Rhea a child, it's more commonly a daughter. If that had happened, I can picture only one of two names: "Alyssa", for the mother Daemon was known to have been very close to, or "Alysanne", as a way of mocking the grandmother that forced this marriage upon him. Boy or girl, I can see Daemon, in the earliest days of the child's training, using small taunts to make them fight harder and learn faster: "Will you be like your mother, or will you embrace the dragon inside?" Also, Rhea could still die in this new timeline, but in a different way. If she, for example, passed from complications in childbirth, this would leave Daemon as co-regent for their child, until he or she came of age. It would also make his drunken joke about Aemma and baby Baelon's deaths far worse than it already was. Viserys would be doubly-furious, unable to fathom why his brother would say such a thing, after going through a similar experience. (4/9/2024)
Yeah... yeah I can see that.
I think the fan-fics of then often having a daughter makes it easier to still have a dance. Cause a Targaryen Prince that's added into the mix now adds another possible claimant for King should they war with the Greens
Let’s be honest they make it a girl so they can have her have sex with aemond
Im not sure if this is another Brienne situation where they hired an actress far too attractive for the role cause when i was watching the show i just assumed Daemon was salty cause Rhea is NOT ugly lol
The thing is that Rhea is never described in the book, so we don't know if she was ugly like Daemon had said or not. But with how petty Daemon can be she probably wasn't
He called her ugly because he was forced to marry her against his wishes
He hated the woman and Daemon is petty.
@@janellejulianajoy Would you not hate some rando who you were forced to marry as a teen and who hated you?
@@notyourproblem474 He probably saw her as "ugly" because she didn't have Valyrian features, we see that he's attracted to (in the books) women who look Valyrian like Rhaenyra, Laena, and even Mysaria.
Love to see an AU where Aegon bent the knee to rhaenyra so the greens back Aemond instead
"Bronze is only tempered in the fire" is an amazing line
Right - Vermithor would be PERFECT for a Royce!
What if instead of fighting they all shared milk and cookies?
Rhea didn’t seem like a bad person, but she was pretty short and unfriendly to her cousin shortly behind she encountered Daemon.
I imagine they both just did not want to deal with each other and were bitter about the engagement
Man how could you not do a part 2 to this? Imagine a worst case scenario where the dance becomes between the Blacks, Greens and Bronzes, that's just 1 possibility as well...
I know it probably won't happen but I'd love to see a part 2 exploring some of the possibilities in this video expanded upon. Anyways love your videos, always get excited when I see a new upload.
Then the Greens will probably win. Daemon was the most proactive member of the Black faction, as he was the only one able to challenge Aemond and basically single-handed secured the Riverlands for Rhaenyra, which ends up being VERY important.
And both factions will be weaker, and seem weaker as well, which means more lords will support Aegon, giving the Greens even more of an advantage.
I see the Bronzes backstab the Blacks and take Harrenhall anf riverlands. Block the Cregan Stark from going South. Only after they eliminate Aemond which they will because they have 1 more dragon rider
I've just rewatched the latest episode of house of the dragon, and that got me thinking what would the bronze dragon see if he was at Harrenhall with or instead of Deamon what would he see, would he see younger version of Rhaenyra and Alicent, his mom Rhea if she was still killed or my personal favorite would he see the man he named after the bronze dragon meets the cruel, picture the conversation between the two.
He could even explore all possibilities; Maegor marrying Rhaenyra, Alicent, or Laena (or even Jeyne arryn). And all would be such interesting events to watch unfold.
P.s.: He did part 2! go watch!
I’d honestly take a part 2 to this, plenty of potential especially if Maegor does marry Rheanrya. Love your what ifs and I’m excited for more!
This would make the royces the second official branch of house targaryan. They would be similar to baratheons
I suppose it would depend on the time in the marriage he was born; if early enough- he could be a marriage prospect for Rhaenyra, if later- who knows...?
I do think Daemon will only accept Rhaenyra to be his in-law for several reasons,
1. To united the claim of two lines of Prince Baelon's descendants, Viserys line and Daemon line.
2. Daemon worships Valyrian tradition and is committed to the true Targaryen lineage, although Maegor himself is a half Targaryen-Royce,
it's better for Maegor to marry a direct Targaryen like Rhaenyra, rather than marry him to a non-Targaryen woman (even Laena Velaryon).
3. Marriage between Maegor and Rhaenyra will make Daemon get into the position of power,
since his son will be the Prince Consort when Rhaenyra ascends the Iron Throne.
Wouldn’t Maegor be the heir to the throne? The only reason why rhaenyra became it was because daemon was too shitty and there were no other options, even if Otto is so against daemon he would still prefer to just surpass him and use his son, it’s would be easier to convince him and it would be a possible marriage for allicent
Yeah, honestly I would be surprised if Viserys selected Raenyra after disinheriting Daemon instead of point blank stating that Maegor would be his heir. Then the Dance would be Otto and Daemon playing a proxy war to get Allicent or Rhaenyra to marry Maegor to safeguard their pathway to control of the throne.
Good point about Maegor being the heir to the throne, but if that did happen I don't think he would marry Allicent if Otto offered it.
Because I don't think people realise that Maegor may be the one person that would hate Otto more than anyone else and yes even Deamon, I'm sure we can all agree that given who our bronze dragon is named after Otto would throw it in his face the most out of everyone, I mean imagine if Maegor was in the small council meeting with his dad and when Otto stands up Maegor puts his hand on his sword.
Otto "God's be good the old king was right the cruel name is a curse, look at the litte bronze dragon reaching for his sword, you see everyone he frist thought was violence".
@@phil.moloney2980 I'm not sure, I think Otto might be willing to look past his name if it means putting his blood on the throne.
To be fair, this is probably the Westerosi equivalent of Germany electing a guy named Adolf H. for president
Yeah Viserys would likely just pass over Daemon since Viserys really isn't the type to give such a severe punishment like that, it took a lot just to disinherit Daemon, unless Daemon's son does something equally as awful like sleep with Rhaenyra around the same time or something like he thought Daemon did, then Viserys is more likely to make Daemon's son heir and marry him to Rhaenyra
I love Gerrold's voice goes down several octaves when he asks "what inheritance ". 🤷🏻♀️😂😂
What if all of Viserys and Aemma's Children that died had survived?
Would that be disastrous? Because Jaehaerys literally had so many kids, but they kept on causing so much trouble throughout the Seven kingdoms.
Imagine Viserys would have alot of headaches with many kids, he has political headaches with Rhaenyra, but with siblings that causes trouble as well. Would really drive Viserys crazy 😅
Jaehaerys was also a bad dad. I think Viserys would have been a good father to a brood of children with Aemma.
@@maishaahmed915 Yup. But imagine those kids caused a little bit of mischief. And that's what I am very curious about
@bizarreconvos Besides Baelon, the only names for sons that would be pretty much guaranteed would be "Aegon" and/or "Jaehearys". As for other girls...maybe "Alyssa", but I'm not sure if he was as close to their mother, as Daemon was. I could see him, naming one daughter after Aemma's mother, Daella. Another girl could've been named "Rhaenys", as a way to soothe whatever bad feelings existed over his cousin's gender, eliminating her from serious throne contention. Obviously, a confusion-eliminating nickname would have to be used. (4/9/2024)
I think at least one of the boys who died was named Aemon
What if alicent Accepted rhaenyra offer to marry jace to helaena
Nothing would’ve changed really. Aegon is still a problem not to mention her other sons.
@@Meme-jo7ujthere would be a change as helena would probably move with rhaenyra's family to dragonstone. She would probably be happier with jace bc he isnt like her brothers. She would probably less depresso and more expresso
@@axeldiaz404 And all that does is give Helaena happiness....this doesn't help Rhaenyra at all. This doesn't help as Rhaenyra still has Aegon, Aemond and Daeron to contend with. You think they'd automatically bow because Helaena moved to the other side? Absolutely not. All this does is free House Velaryon from TB shackles. If you think Corlys would allow a THIRD strike, you are wrong. They marry Jace and Helaena? Fine. Corlys removes his name from Rhaenyra's sons, openly naming them bastards, and either remains neutral during the war or he brokers a betrothal between his granddaughters and Alicent's sons. This also removes Daemon. Dick or not, placing Helaena over Baela would be adios for him.
Everyone talks about this without realizing that Rhaenyra's choice to betroth her sons to Daemon's daughters was because she NEEDED House Velaryon's validation. Even if Rhaenyra managed to become Queen, after she dies, Jace is pretty fucked.
@@janellejulianajoy idgaf if it breaks the whole timeline, all I care is that heleana finally receives some peace and happiness. You're getting all worked up based on a scenario, that's all it is, it's a scenario. Not real. Comprende bub
I like how Daemon having a son with a woman his age cured him of his affection for teenaged girls
YESSSSSSSS!! I’m glad King Maegor finally gets some love! LONG LIVE KING MAEGOR
I guess rhea's son can also plot his way for iron throne during TDOD.
What if Daemon became Kings insted Viserys ( Viserys died before Jaehaerys And Daemon Is only posible male heir)
And missara look like a targ in the book
Add to this what if King Viserys named the son of Prince Daemon and Rhea Royce as his heir?
It would be interesting if this hypothetical maegor will weald both darksister and lamentation (the valyrian steel sword of house royce) in this timeline
This what-if gael targaryen lived during hotd? You would have an extra targaryen (possibly dragon rider) and marriage candidate for house targaryen.
Margor literally saved the Targaryen dynasty. His reign is only considered cruel etc bc his brother’s line was soft and the maesters tell the story
Please continue this. Now this is a really good what if
Interestingly enough, the only King I think lives up to and surpasses his namesake is Viserys II, especially if you include his years of Handship. It would be really neat to see a second Maegor that is the complete opposite of Maegor the 1st Targaryen personality wise, beloved by the realm, not grumpy, still a great swordsman ect
What about Daeron the Good? Not as cool as the Young Dragon, but definitely a better king.
Or if we are counting ones who never become king, Baelor Breakspear.
One of the most interesting "what ifs", a looot of ASOIF style intrigue going on
What if that wild boar 🐗killed rhaneyra in the kingswood
Aegon becomes king unopposed, maybe Daemon makes a claim later, but he'll have little support so I doubt that'll succeed.
If Rhaenyra died without having children there woukd not have been a Dance of Dragons at all. Aegon as Viserys' heir would have greater claim than Daemon
Dragons eat sheep... Dragons don't fuck sheep
Wouldn't the Iron Throne be alarmed at the consolidation of power between the Arryns and the Royces? Wouldn't the rest of the Vale lords also be upset at this consolidation? There might be a civil war in the Vale to prevent the hegemony.
I do like this idea of Daemon having a son with Rhea. And after reading some of the comments, it does make sense for Viserys to name Maegor heir to the Iron Throne. Remember, in the books and show, at that point of time when his wife Aemma, and their newborn son, Baelon, died on the same day. There was only Viserys, Rhaenyra, and Daemon currently the only living Targaryens. Not counting Saera and Vaemond as they or maybe be still alive at that point in time. With Maegor around, heir to Runstone and dragonrider, assuming he's not as much of a troublemaker as our favorite Rogue Prince, he would be a perfect candidate to be heir to the Iron Throne. Other Lords have made their nephews heirs before and this would not be any different. Even if Daemon gets pissed that Viserys disinheriting him, he may be accepting that his son gets to inherit the Iron Throne over him. His blood would be on the throne regardless rather if it's him or not. And Lady Royce might also accept this as her son and heir may become the next king of Westeros. Regardless how she may personally feel of Viserys's choice, any Lord or Lady would give anything for a chance to have their blood on that damn throne. And House Royce's influence and power would immediately sky rocket if that would acquire. Both Maegor's parents would be fools to ignore a chance like that.
All of what you said is very true, if Maegor was made the heir to the throne his parents would be idiots not to be happy about it.
But I also think if Maegor had to marry, Rhaenyra, Alicent or Laena I think it would be Laena, because I don't think anything with Deamon and Rhaenyra would change infact I can kind of see a brother, sisters relationship between Maegor and Rhaenyra also she would still marry Laenor, Alicent would still marry Viserys, and there could also be a deep hate between Maegor and Otto and yes even more then Deamon, because remember the first Maegor was married to a hightower and we all know how that worked out alos Otto would probably throw Maegor name back in his face maybe saying he the "cruel reborn" or something, so I think he would marry Leana for the following reasons.
1: There fathers have some kind of alliance going on.
2: He's fought along side her father, brother and uncle in battle and may have earned there respect, well maybe her father and brother not so much her uncle.
3: They have two of the biggest dragons in the world.
Side note: You know the night when Deamon and Corlys met on Driftmark, I can see Meagor going with him and while they talk Maegor sees and approaches Vhagar because, Vhagar is the only living thing that has been the the first Maegor rule and who frist rider was Maegor mother so there might be some fascination on the bronze dragon part and there were I can see him and Leana meeting for the first time if they haven't yet.
4: And finally I can see Maegor mother agreeing to the marriage because while she maybe what him to marry into the Arryns, but with the possibility of him marrying someone form the richest family in the kingdom and getting three adult dragon I think she would go along with it.
@@phil.moloney2980 I can see that happening. Also story wise, it would be interesting since Maegor has choices and each one benefits him and his children. If Viserys, for some reason or because of Otto, doesn't become heir to the Iron Throne, if be marries Laena, a powerful alliance between Velaryon and Royce could form through Targaryen blood. Since they would have most of the dragons in their hands, if they want to take the Iron Throne by force, the crown wouldn't have a chance. Especially if this rebellion starts much earlier with Alicent's kids, if they still exist in this situation, would be far too young to ride, let alone fight. But I still think the idea of Maegor marrying Rhaenyra would make a lot of sense if Daemon pushes it. And not to mention, this is House Targaryen. Marrying brother to sister is tradition with them. Cousin and cousin wouldn't be different. Accept that it would be more acceptable since marrying cousin to cousin is both acceptable and common among the noble houses of Westeros. But Maegor has options. Marrying Rhaenyra or Laena might not matter in the long run as long as he's named heir to the Iron Throne by his uncle.
@@TheWarSword You make a good point, but I dont think Maegor wouldn't be made heir to the throne for one reason Otto.
And I know what your thinking but it Viserys discussion not Otto, and with Deamon pushing for a marriage between Maegor and Rhaenyra it would happen, but the sad thing is that early on in the story Viserys values Otto opinion more than Deamon, an remember how Deamon acts so Otto has some ground to work with, also Otto doesn't what Deamon to have any kind of power and if Maegor gets some power Deamon would no doubt try push his son a path he what's, in other words a victory for Maegor is a victory for Deamon, so Otto would do everything he can to keep them both away form the throne, and as I said before changes are Maegor hates Otto as much or more than his dad does.
@@phil.moloney2980 It would add a sense of tragedy for Maegor. He probably would've wanted to marry Rhaenyra but if Otto does interfere, he would be pissed. A lot of hate for him and the Hightowers, maybe not with Alicent unless she does got with her fathers plans. He may get so angry that he would marry Laena to build an alliance to counter the Hightowers and their power plays. Having the largest dragons in the world on their side, and arguably more dragons if Laena and Maegor have kids, if the Hightowers try to take over like in canon with the whole crowning Aegon, Maegor would probably be ready to take the Greens out with is alliance and maybe get Rhaenyra to side with him since if she's still named heir, he would support her claims because he still loves her and he hates Otto. So if the Dance still happens, with Maegor in the scene and already for action, the Blacks would bulldoze over King's Landing since Vhagar would probably still be with Laena if she's still alive. (edited) And now just realizing that there maybe a slim chance that if Maegor wasn't able to marry Rhaenyra, if her first three sons still remain bastards, they could end up being Maegor's bastards. Possibly. But if that did happen, at less Jacaerys, Lucerys, and Joffery, if they still exist in this timeline, may at less look more Valyrian if Maegor is the father. Don't know if Alicent would figure it out or not, but if she did, it's hard to tell how she would feel if Maegor was a close friend of hers.
@@TheWarSword Again you make a good point, but I don't think Maegor and Rhaenyra would be able to have a affair with each other because remember if Deamon still kills Rhea, Maegor would be the lord of ruin stone witch means he will have to stay in the Vale, also what you said about him and Alicent you right but what I think would be the turning point is if they talk some time before the party and she reveals how she feels about Rhaenyra and what she had done, and in that moment Maegor we see something no doubt had said to him most of his life by his dad, a hightower is a hightower meaning Alicent is just like her father, so when she shows Maegor that she is going to get her son on the throne by passing Rhaenyra that when there friendship will end, also unlike Deamon marriage to Laena where he still whated Rhaenyra, I can see Meagor actually growing to love Laena because of how supportive she was of Deamon I can imagine her supportive for Maegor, maybe it would a Ned and Catlyn relationship.
What if aemon and baelon the brave survived and rhaenys and viserys married uniting the bloodlines of aemon and baelon
I like to think that Maegor and Laenor were at least friends during the war. I mean, theyre the same age and well, its nice to hang out with someone your age, especially when everyone else is old enough to be your dad or grandpa.
What if Everyone found out about rhaneyra and harwins relationship
I watch a lot of what if videos from different channels but this right here! I haven't seen this one explored yet can you please do a part 2 please please please please please please please please and how we can show him being a active parent and the changes it will make in the whole story is dynamic
What If Daemon Had A Son? Part 2 (House Of The Dragon)
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Thank you, I'm watching it now! It's crazy because it played next on the playlist!@@TheEmpyreanSpeaks
If only Daemon had met Callisto they would have children who would be great warriors and Dragon Riders
This is an interesting what if scenario to think about and depending on who Maegor Royce married does sounds interesting, so let’s look at the options.
*Rhaenyra* it looks obvious on paper, Daemon can have his son marry the princess, especially if she’s the hair, might cause problems with Velaryons but Rhaenyra would have true born children.
*Alicent* if you want to take a Romeo and Juliet route, both of their fathers would greatly disapprove of it but Viserys being the nice guy that he is allows it, Viserys would ended up marrying Laena instead but the Velaryons would have divided loyalties if Laenor still marry Rhaenyra.
*Laena* Daemon still has a friendship with Corlys the Sea Snake, not much changed since Maegor would just replace Daemon.
*Rhaenyra 2* specifically after Laenor’s death, since Daemon would still be married to Rhea in this scenario, their wouldn’t be Baela & Rhaena, unless Maegor married Laena but she still died.
*Jeyne Arryn* with Maegor being an Royce, this marriage alliance helps solidify Jeyne’s rule over the Vale, especially if Maegor Royce has Vermithor The *Bronze* Fury.
I like to call Maegor Royce The *Bronze Dragon* in reference to his heritages.
If maegor is married to rhaenyra, they have 7 children. 4 boys- baelon heir to the iron throne aegon heir to rune stone aerion spare for both. and viserys and 3 girls - visenya alyssa and aemma.
If maegor Is married to laena, they have 4 children, 2 boys, heir to rune stone jacerys, and aelyx spare , and 2 girls' twins, rhaena, and aella
if maegor is married to alicent they have 5 children 3 girls- helaena rhae and maegelle and 2 boys aemond and daeron
I don't think the Royces would mind Maegor's name that much. For one after the North, the Vale caused the least amount of trouble for Maegor during his reign as a result very few in the Vale would have experienced Dragon flame. Secondly, The Royces follow the old gods and since Maegor was only ever fighting the faith of the seven.
@palantiri6590 There are knights that follow the old gods such as Rodrik Cassel, Jorah Mormont and Bartimus of Wolf's Den. I'm inclined to believe that they are only surface worshippers of the seven to pacify their Andal dominant neighbors. While keeping as much of their old ways as possible.
@palantiri6590The Blackwoods have intermarried for years and it hasn't affected them. The fact they the Royces still keep much of the old ways and use runes that followers of the Seven would consider blasphemous suggest that they may be closer to the old gods than we might think. Their views of knighthood could very well be for show to keep the faith off their backs.
Great video topic if Daemon had a son he has so much more options for power.
Jaehaerys I and Alysanne hated their uncle, and Alysanne arranged for Daemon to be in an unhappy marriage, so I love the idea that Daemon would name his son Maegor, just to spite the two of them.
What if Viserys married Rhaenys
I think its simpler, Daemon doesn't like being told what to do. He resents being forced into an arranged marriage and reasserts control by not consummating and undermining it publicly. It has very little to do with her, he'd probably even like her in a different context.
@19:00 as an alternative, for the sake of raising their son, the relationship between Daemon and Rhea thaws. Imagine not one son but two to split the difference.
Damon is a Targeryen supremacist, that's why he didn't want to consumate his marriage to his wife.
He was the brother of the king, uncle of the future Queen (or King, had Viserys changed his mind), he could gladly have had any other lovers even if he didn't love his wife, he still could have "suffered through" shooting his load in her to get heirs.
But she was not of Targeryen or valyrian descent. Laena for example was both (being a Velaryon and the daughter of a Targeryen). And then if course there is Rhaenyra.
And if Maegor existed, Viserys would probably already have betrothed him to Rhaenyra and he might not have gotten a new wife at all, freeing up Alicent.
This is the main reason why I don’t buy none of the fluff dude was talking about..most time the simplest answer is the one. He simply wasn’t into her in any shape way or form. An resented being stuck with her..
@5:00 but that dynamic will again come up when he marries his niece! Oh, the irony
What if Daemon died in the stepstones
Ooooh, interesting. Does Corlys win the war regardless, or do they lose because Daemon dies? Those will probably be at least slightly different scenarios.
Would Caraxes die with him like being shot down or would Daemon die alone? So would one of the Greens or Blacks take Caraxes? Since Rhaenyra's son are born after it, they may have a shot at bonding with Caraxes but the Canon boy's personalities don't fit with Caraxes. They may not be bastards as Daemon and Rhaenyra wouldn't have gone to a brothel so maybe no marriage to Laenor. Wow! So many opportunities!
Sorry, but disagree about a couple of things. First off...im not 100% on board with the name, but going with it anyways...Maegor would be sent to KL as a ward of Viserys or squire, even. Or to some other lord in the capital. Boys werent usually raised completely at home, would be sent off to squire and learn from another lord, and being Daemons son would make it a special case for the capital.
And second...Rhaenyra wouldnt be named heir. Viserys ONLY named her heir because Daemon didnt do his marital duties, and because of his rogue nature, and because the council was against Daemon, plus he didnt think he would have any other children. But...if Daemon had a son, he would have reason to skip Rhaenyra entirely, and Daemon, and name Maegor as heir, giving more reason to keep him at the capital...and not at either. In this case, house Royce would be in the same boat.
Also, going by the books, not the show, it was very clear Rhea died from the accident, and NOT by Daemon himself. So we can still assume she dies somehow around that time.
It’s also not a good thing for dragon riders to breathe with non-dragon riders because then you give everybody a dragon nobody is powerful anymore. That’s the reason Targaryen typically sleep with other Targaryen.
I want a part two
I really like this what if idea and I hope that you make it into a series like the what if with the greens, the reason why I like it is because to have my favorite targaryen name riding on my favorite dragon, well second favourite dragon but it doesnt really matter but I think this new Maegor will not only try to make his own legacy but I think he might pull a card form the guy he named after, you mentioned who would he marry but I can see him pulling a Maegor the cruel and marry all the girl you mentioned at the end.
Okay, I like this. I really like this!
I believe an episode of season 1 showed him having issues sexually, leading Misaria to ask if he wanted someone with silver hair. Maybe he was unable to consummate the marriage, leading to additional issues.
He has a certain an very distinct type I don’t think his wife did it for him at all
Would you mind if i used this for a fanfiction?
Who would you fancast as Maegor? I lean towards Tom Blyth.
Maybe Timothée Chalamet
@@TheEmpyreanSpeaks I can see that.
A young Mark Hamill
it's waaay too impossible. Daemon is only attracted to valyrian women. Even Mysaria is of Valyrian origin in the books and looks like it
I don’t know, enough vitriol and alcohol can make anything possible
‘Assuming Maegor wasn’t like Laenor in’ I ship it.
A what if argon the uncrowed won would be interesting
This scenario is amazing. Please do more gang.
Here’s a potential what if “what if the wound Rhaenyra received from Alicent got infected and caused her death?”
Love the vids !
But what he didnt account for was the fact that regardless of how Daemon's story changed, Viserys would still have been wanting a son. So Viserys's story probably wouldnt have changed and he still wouldve ended up married to Allicent with Allicent's son Aegon being in line to take the throne. The only difference is that in this what-if scenario with Daemon having a son there would have been a third contender for the throne or at least another powerful faction who would have to either choose to side with the Blacks or the Greens. But if Maegor grew up with Rhaenyra, its likely he would have fought for Rhaenyra even if there werent married, which means the Greens probably wouldve been decimated quickly and the dance of dragons wouldnt have played out the way it did.
Here's an idea what if Alicent was married to Daemon.
This was an interesting change that i very much enjoyed.
Again haven't finished the video yet but at the current timing I think deamond would be loyal to his brother over the snake. He would want to strengthen the bond between his line and his brother`s kinder spirits as him and the snake are I foresee him seeking out bond even past is niece and son being wed.
I know you said you didn't want to do this but I'm throwing it out there anyway: What if Rhea Royce and Daemon actually fell in love with each other. Of course they will dislike each other at first as you because of their similarities in character as you said, but let's just say for arguments sake that through some circumstances they get into an argument where they call each other out on their shit and make their own points clear. I think that could take both characters into an interesting direction, especially Daemon, and could possibly even provide Maegor with Sister, Vesaenya if want.
But that's just some random thoughts throw out thier. Fell free to give me your opinions on this, I'd appreciate that.
Now i want to belive on the bronze prince
I think Daemon doesn't like Rhea because she is not suitable because she is not of Valaryan lineage. Laena is Valaryan and Targaryen. Its true that Rhea is self supported BUT this type of marriage is an insult to Daemon for the most basic reason. Daemon is very much so into bloodline. If he had a kid with Rhea, that would put his son again his niece. Interesting.
Exactly this is the reason this simplest answer is usually it..he wasn’t interested in her in any shape way or form..daemon was totally nonchalant in there encounter. It was more apathetic then hatred or rage.
What if Rhaenyra was married to a drone hier.
Daemon doesn’t like her because he is a Targaryen and he believes he should have a Targaryen like all the other Targaryens
And mysaria??? the whores?????
If they had a child then when viserys child dies then the obvious choice as heir is deamon because he has a son
The only comment I have I about the last option I highly doubt that megor the son of Damon would be willing to Mary a woman who is into other women no man want there wife to cheat on them an lady aryn would probably do that with the red fort women. worst case scenario she cheats on him, he find out and uses his dragon to burn her and her lover alive ether in the castle or when she and red fort lady leave it. Best case scenario she cheat on him, he find out, he then tell on her, there vows get broken and annealed by the sept and sept now hat the aryns and now the Roy’s see the aryns as betrayers, people who slighted them and I think lady Roy’s would be pist that her son got emotionally hurt by the aryns
According to the Dragon X theory (which I think explains a lot of the Targaryen marriage practices), any daughter by Rhea and Daemon could ride a dragon because they inherit Daemon’s X gene. If they had a son, though, Daemon’s Y would be passed down and none of their sons could ride dragons. Further, no descendant of D&R could hatch a dragon, which is not the case for children with the dragonriding Laena or Rhaenyra
What about alicents children? They all had dragons and I’m pretty sure daeron hatched his dragon
@@dr.banner4793 Yeah, Aegon and Daeron to be exact.
Why would they want the second in line to the thrown to marry someone who rules a small castle in the vale
I love your what if so far and I hope you do Game of Thrones what ifs too.But check out on fanfiction on story's called the blue wolf and the golden dragon. And trials and tribulations of the
oathkeeper those are the best stories i've seen so far.
Mysaria is valyrian in the book
Maegor might hate daemon
You mentioned that Rhea isn't married to Daemon, he's married to her because of her inheritance. How is that different than his situation with Rhaenyra?
I mean, outside of getting to be king consort for the whole realm instead of just one area like when he was married Rhea, his position seems similar. He's married to Rhaenyra, not the other way around. Is it because Rhaenyra admits to needing him and he abandoned her?
I'm just genuinely curious about what you said and wish you would elaborate on that comparison, if you'd indulge me 😃
hella dilusional to think that a born Targaryan and Dragon rider would convert to a Royce after becoming a Lord
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Using sansa for lady jane is funny but this was three months ago before we saw her actual chatacter in the show lol
What if viserys danys brother lol was good
What if daemon got Mysaria pregnant earlier (like a year or two after he marries Rhea Royce)
Daemon also had issues getting it up. I think Rhea and Daemon's issue was a Henry the 8th and Anne of Cleves situation. He tried to sleep with Rhea, couldn't and rather than admitting fault with himself, he pushed it off on her. It was her fault for being ugly or a bitch so he couldn't sleep with her
Can you do if Sansa left Kingslanding with the Hound?
What if Rhaenyra ascended without the Greens interfering. Would she go uncontested?! Would the realm accept Jace. Would the realm be at peace with Daemon as king consort. How would she be as a ruler since she has no political intelligence.
Aemond goes off to Essos probably(maybe even becomes King of the Narrow Sea), while the rest of the Greens wait for Rhaenyra to die to press their claim on the throne. Rhaenyra wasn't exactly a good ruler in the Dance, and when she dies it's possible that there would be a three way conflict, since her sons with Daemon might also push for their claim to the throne.
What if the Martells bent the knee to the Blacks during HOD.
in the books it is pretty clear that Daemon likes them very young he is quite clearly a paedophile not only the way he groomed his niece but also how he groomed Nettles and had an affair with her.
What if daemon or his brother marry rhaenys targaryen
The arryns have a dragon you forgot to mention through Rhaenyra
Doesn’t really count since she’s was more Targaryen
I love this one!!!
I still find her attractive
Part 2
Bro I’m a big fan no one cares about lord flea bottom finish Dearon revenge lol yes I’m team green
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What if Maegor lived as long as Balerion 👀
What if he burned runestone😂
First comment? Oop
People need to stop making fan fiction.